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2011 Dodgers Player Profile: Dee Gordon, Speeding Toward Greatness?

Dee Gordon
Birthdate - 04/22/1988
Height / Weight - 5'11 /150
Bats / Throws - L/R
Seminole Community College, 4th Rnd, No 127, 2008

Let us start this off with 10 questions with Dee Gordon by MiLB

Below we are going to talk about his defense, this is what Dee had to say about hoping to improve in that area:

MiLB.com: When people talk about your defense, they always bring up two things -- your great range and the high number of errors you make. How do you respond to the criticism about the errors?

Gordon: You know, numbers don't lie. I have [made a lot of errors]. I've made them on tough plays, and I've made them on some plays where people say, "Hey, I've seen you make that play before." ... I promise it'll be a different scenario this year, though. I've been out here [in Arizona] working that out. I've been finishing and finalizing my defense, and I feel like I'm ready to go.

[The errors] were mainly me. It was me learning. If I get to a ball I should get that out, but just because you got to it -- just because you caught the ball, doesn't mean you'll be able to get the out. Don't give him second on a bad throw. Let him stay on first and then get the double play instead. That's something I've been learning. I've been learning the game, the speed of the game, the timing the different plays. I've been learning a lot out here, and I'm ready for a good 2011.

 

Headed into 2011 Dee Gordon is not the Dodgers unanimous top prospect; however, Dee Gordon is numero uno on many sites who do this for a living. He's number one with Baseball America, Baseball HQ, and John Sickels. He's number three on Brandon's list here at TBLA, and for Baseball Prospectus.

Gordon has only been in the Dodger system for 2 1/2 years but he has already garnered many awards:

  • 2009 All-Star SS in the MidWest League
  • 2009 MidWest League Prospect of the Year
  • 2009 Co-MVP in the MidWest League
  • 2009 Topps MWL player of the year
  • 2010 All-Star SS in the Southern League
  • Represented the Dodgers in the 2010 Futures game at SS. The last Dodger prospect to do that was Chin-Lung Hu who did it in 2007 while winning the Futures MVP award. We all know how well that turned out as Hu has gone on to have a marvelous career.

He is said to have 80 speed on a scale of 20 - 80, meaning you can't be any faster then Dee Gordon. He is said to have great lateral range at SS, taking enough hits away that his many errors are not indicative of his value on defense. He hits left-handed, which means he can take further advantage of his speed.

Brandon Lennox: Number Three Prospect

Dee Gordon was a bit of a surprise as the Dodgers 4th round pick in 2008 because he had been ruled ineligible as a college sophomore due to transcripts problems and didn’t even play baseball in the spring of before the draft.  Nevertheless he had a great professional debut in the Pioneer League in 2008 and has been a top Dodger prospect ever since.  His 2009 season in the Midwest League was one to remember since he was named league MVP with 73 stolen bases and a .301 average, and that earned him a promotion AA in 2010.  While Gordon was caught stealing 20 times and posted an on base percentage of just .332 while in Chattanooga, he showed a ton of raw talent and was voted as the most exciting player in the Southern League.  He was also rated as the Dodgers best defensive infielder by Baseball America despite making 37 errors for the Lookouts.  He already has a plus arm, and his athleticism leads scouts to believe that he’ll be able to make spectacular plays at the big league level.  In addition, several scouts ranked his speed as an 80 and the 20-80 scouting scale, which is a rating rarely given out.  Gordon has improved his bunting skills over the past few years, but he does need to be more patient at the plate and learn to take more walks.  He also needs to put on more muscle, which is something he struggled with since turning pro.  After the season Dee played in the Puerto Rican Winter League and led the league with a .361 average with a career high .889 OPS.  He then participated in the Dodgers Winter Development program, and was invited to the Dodgers big league spring training even though he isn’t on the 40 man roster.  Gordon will turn 23 years old this upcoming April, and will most likely spend 2011 in AAA.  He is the Dodgers heir apparent at shortstop, and if Furcal’s option doesn’t vest he could be the team’s starter as early as 2012. 

Below are the quotes about Dee Gordon from the various prospect sites.

John Sickels: Grade B, Number One Prospect

1) Dee Gordon, SS, Grade B: I still love the speed and athleticism, but he needs to do a better job using it. Stolen base success ratio and error rates are troublesome.

Baseball Prospectus: Number Three Prospect

The Good: Gordon's athleticism generates plenty of excitement. He has good bat speed and a knack for contact, while his top-of-the-line speed makes him a danger to beat out any ground ball to the left side. He should be able to steal 50-plus bases per year. He has tremendous range to both sides and a strong arm.
The Bad: Scouts have difficulty wrapping their head around Gordon, as he'll turn 22 in April yet still plays with the rawness of an 18-year-old. He needs to develop a more patient approach at the plate, and while he has all of the tools to be a plus shortstop, he's so sloppy there that some scouts would like to see him tried in center field. His thin, lanky frame has no power projection.
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Baseball America: Number One Prospect

Fastest Baserunner, Best hitter for average, Best athlete, and Best defensive infielder

Baseball HQ: Number One Prospect

Strengths: Plus speed. Athleticism/projectability, moderate bat speed/moderate power/BA, arm strength.
Weaknesses: Raw/inexperienced.
Comments: Son of former MLB reliever Tom Gordon had a solid consolidation season at Double-A. Plus (4.1) raw speed, athleticism, and ability to put the bat on the ball make him into a true top-of-the-order hitter. Stole 73 bases in '09 and 53 in '10. Is still raw defensively, but has the athleticism to stay at the position or be an impact player in the majors. Should see his professional debut at some point in '11 and could become a SB leader for years to come.

Baseball HQ has two scouts, the one who wrote up the Dodgers made him the number one prospect. However, the other scout had this to say about Dee Gordon:

To be blunt, I think he's one of the most overhyped prospects of recent memory. I don't see him hitting for BA or power and I also am not a fan of his defense. Outside of speed/athleticism, I'm not impressed.

My own views:

Dee Gordon was a steal in the fourth round in a draft of later round steals for Logan White. Still, for all the excitement Dee Gordon generates, the numbers in 2010 didn't really back it up. At 22 years old he did okay in the Southern League considering he jumped a level, but then DeJon Watson has told us he doesn't really consider moving from the Midwest League to the Southern League a jump. A peer of his, Starlin Castro - who, at barely 20 years old, is two full years younger then Dee - put up a .990 OPS before being recalled to the major leagues, where he ended up with a .755 OPS. That, my folks, is turning a raw skill set into real production.

We keep hearing how raw Dee Gordon is because he didn't play much high school baseball, but he's now got 2 1/2 years of professional baseball under his skinny belt. When the 2009 MVP season ended the scouts said he had gap power, but you don't have 80 scale speed and hit a measly 17 doubles per season if you have gap power. 

If it was not for the scouting reports, he would not make my top ten. As a singles-hitting, error-prone SS, whose only skill appears to be speed, he is not my cup of tea, but you can't discount what most of the the scouts say, so hopefully they are right, and he is more then just another speed merchant, but is a baseball player.

Still you can't stay raw forever, at some point, that "athletic ability" has to start turning ground balls into outs, and not extra bases for the other team, has to start learning how to steal bases at a better clip then what his "80" speed has shown so far, and simply has to do a better job of getting on base. According to most of the scouts, he has the athletic ability to be an exciting major league baseball player; hopefully in 2011 the numbers start to back up what the scouts have been telling us since they first saw him play in 2008, because he's on the perfect time table to be the Dodgers starting SS in 2013, if not 2012.

Sure no one cares about errors in the minor leagues, but at AA I kind of care. Maybe I shouldn't, but unless this kid is really taking more hits away then he's giving away I think Ned will care. It is time for that error trend to reverse and not keep growing.

                                                   
Year Age Tm G Ch PO A E DP Fld%
2008 20 Ogden 59 307 97 186 24 38 .922
2009 21 GreatLakes 127 574 197 343 34 78 .941
2010 22 Chattanooga 133 581 199 345 37 73 .936
3 Seasons 319 1462 493 874 95 189 .935

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/16/2011.

Trivia

Per Baseball Prospectus:

 No player drafted 127th overall has gotten more than 616 major-league at-bats (Larry Lintz, 1971).

Most of you know that Dee Gordon is the son of Flash Gordon, who pitched for just about everyone except the Los Angeles Dodgers from 1988 - 2009. Who was the greatest Los Angeles Dodger to play whose father played major league baseball?

Contract Status

Under team control longer than Frank McCourt will own this team.

Stats

Year Level Age DBL TRP HR SB CS BA OBP SLG
2008 Rookie 20 13 3 2 18 5 .331 .371 .430
2009 A 21 17 12 3 73 25 .301 .362 .394
2010 AA 22 17 10 2 53 20 .277 .332 .355

2011 Outlook

Dee Gordon has a major league camp invitation to spring training so he can get some time in with the big boys. I expect he will then return to AA and dominate with the bat like he did in the Puerto Rican League. Maybe he starts in AAA, I don't really know. It would be incredibly unlikely for him to see any time with the Dodgers before September, but you never know. He may consolidate his raw skills and just like Starlin Castro force his way onto the team if Rafy goes down and the offense needs a spark. 

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@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Traded to Florida

Reason: See previous thread(s). #Furcal, #BrokenLeg, #Ned, #Plaschke

by Xeifrank on Feb 19, 2011 7:59 AM PST reply actions  

You don't think

Dee Gordon will be a Nedguy™?

by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 19, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

He needs to be on the 40-man by November. That means a September call-up is possible since no option gets used. This is only if he has a very good year:

3 for 13, 1 SB, 1 CS, 1 triple

by silverwidow on Feb 19, 2011 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

Gordon..

No MLB this yr..but maybe sept callup..
Start in AAA…hits around.300 and steals 50 bases but less Cs..and reduces errors to 30 for yr… Gets walk rate up to 8-9% to justify sept callup..
2012..on MlB club as BU to Uribe at SS and shares 2b with IVD2..

by coloblue on Feb 19, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

Won't predict stats but predict that he does get a Sept call-up

after being added to 40 man, called up to give the fans a taste. And he gets a stolen base in a pinch running appearance.

Btw, I keep thinking of him as comparable with Jose Reyes, even though Reyes had more baseball experience at a younger age of course. But is that wrong? Do scouts see them as similar?

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by underdog on Feb 19, 2011 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

Reyes is a better comp then it would seem at first glance

Though Reyes was a full three years younger at similar levels, but he was never jumped a level, either (unless you count only having 181 PAs in AAA before his jump to the majors).

Still, ignoring the age, the big difference between them was that Reyes – while not showing much indication of the HR power he’d eventually flash in the majors – was still putting up better power numbers, to the tune of a .420+ SLG pretty consistently through the minors. Gordon has only managed even a .400 SLG once so far.

Reyes was also never as error-prone. He had 29 once between A/AA, but never had more than 18 otherwise, and was consistently a good 20+ points higher in FLD% when compared to Gordon.

So, assuming Gordon makes a similar jump in actual baseball ability that Reyes did, it would look like the big thing Reyes has over Gordon is power.

by EMDarrow on Feb 19, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

good breakdown, thanks

at least I know I wasn’t totally crazy for seeing that… ;-)

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by underdog on Feb 19, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Garvey doesn’t have at least 10 kids in the league yet?

:)

by keithc13 on Feb 19, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, it's Daryle Ward.

OK, it’s not. It’s Pedro Borbon, Jr? Darrin Fletcher? Dick Schofield? Why did we have so many crappy 2nd-generation guys (at least while they were Dodgers)?

My vote would probably be Stan Javier, though. I can’t think of anyone else who was useful in L.A.

But if the question is which Dodger’s father was the best, I’d have to say TG2 will very soon win the honor.

by Nolij on Feb 19, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Starts in AA, finishes in AAA, no MLB time.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

no call up in 2011

continues to unimpress truebluela and his prospect rankings takes a hit after another year of marginal production.

by Michael White on Feb 19, 2011 9:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I hope they start him back in AA

Even if he’s only there for 4-6 weeks or so. Let him show he can do more than hold his own in an advanced league before moving to AAA.

That, and he’s still got some pretty huge holes in his game that rushing him through the minors will do nothing to correct. If everyone is so sure he’s got the ability to be a top-flight SS, focus on that so he at least has something to warrant working everything else out. As it is, he’s got zero actual baseball skills that’d warrant him having a major league roster spot, let alone actually starting.

by EMDarrow on Feb 19, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Nice write-up, Phil

While a lot of focus will be on Gordon’s defense this year, I’ll be looking at his OBP. Simply put, he has to be able to get on base to be a successful big leaguer. If I don’t see improvement in this area, his stock will drop with me. Currently, I’m in the skeptical-but-have-to-listen-to-scouts camp. I do agree that he is a potential trade chip at the deadline.

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Actually Phil

Ivan De Jesus Jr represented the Dodgers in the 2008 Futures game so he not Hu was the last Dodger to do so prior to Gordon. Look for Rubby De La Rosa to be the next prospect to represent the Dodgers in the Futures Game.

by PastyRasta on Feb 19, 2011 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

That has turned out so well also.

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Gordon

No PA in MLB in 2011. Starts year in AA. Called up for pinch-running duties in September for the stretch run.

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Love the line on contract status.

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

I trust the stats instead of the scouts in this case..

Dee Gordon cant hit for power.
He makes a bunch of errors.
He doesnt walk very much.

Until he actually puts into statistics what the scouts say he’s capable of…I just cant get excited about him.

Juan Pierre at SS doesnt really do much for me.
I suppose there’s value there, but nothing to get excited about.

When the Dodgers develop a Troy Tulowitski, then I’ll get interested.

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

You’ll be uninterested for a long time. Guys like Tulowitski don’t come around very often.

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

For what it’s worth, if the Dodgers develop a HOF talent at any position, then I would be interested in that, too.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 19, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but you will not be interested only when that happens.

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Juan Pierre was a really good player once.

Plus, Gordon is faster, plays a more valuable position, and has a better arm.
 

So yeah, all-star potential.

by Taylor Maricle on Feb 19, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Juan Pierre was pretty good 3 of his first 4 seasons in the majors:

2001 – (age 23) .327/.378/.415
2003 – (age25) ..305/.361/..373
2004- (age 26) – .326/.374/.407

Sure…if Dee Gordon could be that player at SS…that’d be really good.

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He still is good.....

He is worth every dollar the Dodgers are paying him. We could actually use him in the two hole this year.

by Badger I on Feb 20, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

From the last comments thread
D. Hernandez story on C. Billingsley as summarized by C. Davis

Don’t think, it can only hurt the ballclub.


by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 19, 2011 6:33 AM PST

I was a little surprised that Hernandez used this as something meaningful

Last year, he gave up six or more runs in four starts,
Heck, Lincecum did it three times, including in back-to-back starts.

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

Can someone remind me why Mattingly is the manager of this team? I know he was Torre’s boy. I know he was a great hitter as a Yankee. Why is he here again?

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

So we can blame the lack of WS championships on the Mattingly Curse.

by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 19, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Paying Mattingly whatever he’s making was a more efficient use of resources than paying top dollar for another guy to sit on the bench and write up the lineup card.

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

whoa, wait, I thought the groupthink consensus was that Donnie Two Times ($Humma) was alright?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the proper citation is: Donnie Two Times (Kavula©)

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I will take as many $s and ©s as I can get.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 19, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit, me too.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just looking at some photos of him and it didn’t quite fit. I got to wondering why exactly he’s here (I’ve been quite philosophical in other areas as well). I don’t mind his quotes. I simply realize that he was handed his three-deal in much the same back-room way that Colletti got his X-year one. It’s not easy for me to say: yep, he’s our manager. The fact that he coasted in on Torre’s coattails irks me a little. :)

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Banned.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

flagged as innapropriate

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 19, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair, when two ahead of it is Sandy Alomar for BJ Lamura, it might actually be the 49th worst trade in Dodger history.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

nothing he said in there sounded douchy to me

just like a guy who really likes to win

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 19, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

I just haven’t recovered from either NLCS loss yet…I tend to carry things for much longer than I should.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 19, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This is why it will be so fun whe the Phillies don’t even make the playlets.

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 19, 2011 8:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

2011 Carlos Ruiz

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

it’s funny because he’s getting hit in the face with a baseball!

by Josie Becker on Feb 19, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

So I’m moving and found my copy of Baseball Prospectus 2006. Looking through these and how off some were about one year into the future makes me wonder why Neyer is trying to predict a decade.

“[Justin] Orenduff might be closer to big league ready than the high schoolers”

“[Joel] Guzman has signifigant star potential”

General gushing over Andy LaRoche

“The Dodgers can look forward to a young productive tandem behind the plate”

“[Antonio Perez] will be a significant upgrade over Marco Scutaro.

“[Yhency Brazoban] can earn his way back into the late innings.

“There’s always room in the bullpen for a guy [who can do what Franquelis Osoria does]”

Though to their credit they did get some things surprisingly right on

“[DeWitt] may be better off at second base” (When the book was he had no chance of sticking there

Basically anything they said about Kemp in 2006 still applies today.

“Once [Werth] is healthy bet on him to build on his strong 2004.

Odalis Perez really sucks.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 2:52 PM PST reply actions  

Gordon

Dont understand why everyone is so down on Gordon. We have gotten barely anything out of Raffy’s last 2 contracts, Gordon doesn’t need to do much to compare to what he has done. Let Raffy finish out the year and lets see if Gordon can win the job next spring. Kids got a great attitude and seems like he will fit in with the team nicely. He’s got speed, good arm and a decent bat. I’m excited to see him in LA.

by Dodgerpalooza on Feb 19, 2011 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

I think people are more down on the fact that some think Gordon is the best the Dodgers have in the minors, not so much about Gordon himself.

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We have gotten barely anything out of Raffy’s last 2 contracts

Barely anything except the best shortstop in Dodger history.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 19, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

As I showed here.


Rk Player OPS+ BA OBP SLG OPS PA From To Age G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI
1 Rafael Furcal 102 .288 .356 .415 .770 2650 2006 2010 28-32 580 2374 392 684 118 27 43 216
2 Jose Offerman 87 .256 .344 .325 .669 2297 1990 1995 21-26 579 1967 257 503 65 24 8 160
3 Maury Wills 87 .281 .331 .332 .663 6744 1959 1972 26-39 1593 6156 876 1732 150 56 17 374
4 Greg Gagne 83 .253 .315 .359 .673 1040 1996 1997 34-35 272 942 97 238 33 5 19 112
5 Bill Russell 82 .263 .310 .338 .648 8020 1969 1986 20-37 2181 7318 796 1926 293 57 46 627
6 Dave Anderson 77 .235 .312 .311 .622 1943 1983 1992 22-31 713 1700 206 399 63 9 16 124
7 Mariano Duncan 71 .234 .284 .325 .609 1439 1985 1989 22-26 376 1314 161 307 44 8 20 95
8 Cesar Izturis 68 .260 .296 .336 .632 2396 2002 2006 22-26 590 2230 238 579 103 20 9 176
9 Alfredo Griffin 57 .227 .273 .274 .548 1788 1988 1991 30-33 481 1633 153 370 52 10 2 118

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

LA Dodger, anyway? I don’t see Pee Wee Reese there.

by berkowit28 on Feb 19, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Meant LA, yes.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 19, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Maury

I will take Maury Wills. He changed the game, and, he played every day. Raffy has proven to be to fragile.

by Badger I on Feb 20, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I love Raffy, but I think it could be argued that during his peak, Wills had a greater impact on the team as it was constructed at the time.

by Freddy V on Feb 19, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the summary
  1. Scouts love the speed and potential
  2. It hasn’t translated to results yet (he hit .277 / .332 / .355 in AA last year and made 37 errors)

I’d love for him to become what the scouts think he can be.

(And not “everyone” is down on Gordon.)

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

see you tonight

girlie :)

and I nearly freaked out because my laptop time is still set to Central, so it’s almost 8 there…

cool story bro

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Gordon ..weight gain

Gordon needs to gain some #..he still is only 150#…once he gets to 170-175# he will be able to hit more doubles etc…
guy needs to eat more big macs,fries ..and shakes

by coloblue on Feb 19, 2011 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

Andruw Jones’ dietitian is just a phone call away.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s on three after Jack and The Taco Bell Chihuahua.

Andruw updates is speed dial as often as I update my radio presets.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

which is probably as often as I darn my socks

by Josie Becker on Feb 19, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

More often than me, because I’m not exactly sure what that entails.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

He tweeted a picture on his steak and eggs lunch yesterday.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Josie

did you watch Arsenal-Barca?

Nice revenge for the 2006 Champions League final don’t you think?

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

yeah it was pretty crazy. I thought for sure Arsenal was headed south and then they turned east or something, whatever the direction is that gives you a one goal advantage. But they’re still marching into Catalonia next

by Josie Becker on Feb 19, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, less optimistic about Camp Nou, but hopefully they can steal an away goal or two.

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You see Everton-Chelsea this morning?

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

i do love when an American is the hero. But I only saw the highlights, I sat through ManU’s scrimmage though, that’s 1.5 hours I’m never getting back

by Josie Becker on Feb 19, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's

a betting line for MLB for wins this season. The over/under on the Dodgers is 82. But how do I interpret this?

o82-130
u82EV
Is that lay 130 to win 100 on the over, but lay 100 to win 100 on the under?

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by David Young on Feb 19, 2011 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

last year the line on the Dodgers was set at 84.5. I thought taking the over was a sure-fire bet.

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t bet on baseball sports.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure you don’t, Pete!

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 19, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I only bet on MMA now because it only takes 1-14 minutes to break my heart instead of 3 hours.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Also even when I do lose I get to see someone get really really hurt.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like the perfect sport for this generation: No waiting, plenty of action, lots of blood. Sort of like football nowadays.

I prefer the slow, thought producing baseball game. No time limit, sauntering out to postions, the agony of waiting for the pitcher to release the ball…..a game where speed is the pitch, or on the basepaths, not on a clock.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 19, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, baseball is great, but having 2+ hours of fantasizing about spending my money get crushed because Russell Martin can’t hold on to a god damn ball is so much worse.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 19, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I get pissed enough when an outcome doesn't go the way i want it.

Would rather not intensify the feeling. Also, I’m not very good at prognosticating.

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer

boxing to MMA
baseball to just about anything
soccer to football

I must not be of my generation : p

by Josie Becker on Feb 19, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You, my dear, are an anomaly.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 19, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you

except for the boxing to MMA. Boo on all of that crap.

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t, but I still thought it was a sure-fire bet.

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

what time is the actual dunk contest?

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 19, 2011 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

There’s a dunk contest tonight?

Ooh, skillz contest

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably just after 7pm or 7:15

by Eric Stephen on Feb 19, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric, if I drove out to your idea, could we hang out?

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

awww idea

area

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

March 8 – 13?

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Pay no attention to my signature

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

it rhymes!

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 19, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve seen him live and he is ridiculous. His speed is out of this world. He has so much range that he tries to make circus plays (like barehanding a ball deep in the 6 hole… which would have been a single if any other SS would have been playing). He is a… creative fielder.

17 measly doubles… to go along with 10 triples and 2 home runs. not too shabby.

by w0nderbrad on Feb 19, 2011 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

Derrick Williams

FTGDMFW!

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Hahahaha

that State Farm commercial was great.

“Do the jingle again!”
“…IN MY OFFICE!”

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

this was cool

Dodgers.com has a story about Mattingly watching pitchers’ bullpen sessions, while standing in the batting box

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 19, 2011 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

what a G

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

also

this is exciting/scary:

Kuroda is working on a new curveball in camp and Mattingly gave a nod of approval after watching one.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I might be in a great mood because I’m back in LA, but reading stuff like that really makes me excited.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I am in a fantastic mood because Derrick Williams is the man

but I got super excited when I got reminded to subscribe to MLB.tv again this year.

go figure, MLB sends me an email saying I should pay them $120, and I pee a little.

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t realize he didn’t throw a curveball.

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

fangraphs says he does

just not very often. He throws it so little, in fact, that it may just be misjudged sliders.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3283&position=P#pitchtype

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

HEY KINBOTE

Garland re: Mattingly

“I had trouble seeing the ball come back from the catcher,” he said. “It would be hard to pick up the ball and get out of the way if you had to. But it shows he wants to be in there with us. You want to play for somebody like that.”

Excuse me, I am going to be doing my happy dance in the corner.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

THANKS

I think he’s a cool cat. Even without the soul patch, he’s got a digable vibe. Daddy-O Donnie?

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Like a boss.

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Cee Lo

with the all woman band. For sure.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:23 PM PST reply actions  

Best Heard This Ever?
Heard this: Dodgers brass really happy that so many position players showed up early — Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Furcal, etc

.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

I’m trying to picture happy brass.

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

just found a picture of a bacon bra, searching for happy brass. Debating if it’s relevant to post

by Josie Becker on Feb 19, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to have to go ahead and vote yes.

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

A free throw line dunk isnt worth a perfect score anymore?

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

Javale McGee!

He just did one of the craziest two balls, two basket dunks…

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 7:28 PM PST reply actions  

He has 49 foot long arms? Did he jump from center court, or just swoop down from the roof?

(I saw it, but it was stupid. Contrived. And it took him 5 or 6 tries)

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 19, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It would have been better if he had done it on the first try, but its one of the most creative dunk attempts I’ve ever seen.

He might be the only person in the world that could do that.

by Joey Joe on Feb 19, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I dunno about creative

but the dunk was sick for sure.

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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Feb 19, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I call this dunk the “Career Ender”

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 7:59 PM PST reply actions  

Phil, MW, and Clippers fans everywhere

breath a massive sigh of relief

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 19, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Was he using the watermelon bowling ball?

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin isn’t cool enough for a watermelon bowling ball.

Dude jumped over the hood of a Kia. He probably could have cleared the cabin.

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin

total class act.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

dedicated it to his friend

like i thought he would. that was nice.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 19, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Baby Bron Bron? Hahahahaha

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Eric

you should see the LA hat I’m wearing right now. You would be sooooo mad.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

Best hat I ever owned was an old green Barcelona Dragons hat. I never remember when hats disappear . . .

by kinbote on Feb 19, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

it's one of my brother's friend's hat

it says LA but it’s black and white and the “LA” is in cursive script.

I was thinking of pairing it with my “Los Doyers” tshirt to piss off Josh but I decided against it.

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by Maddz on Feb 19, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric: Maddz and I saw this at Denny's this morning

She spotted it first, all I could think of was “Urge to kill: Rising”.

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 19, 2011 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

BURN IT!!!

SEND IT TO HELL!!!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 19, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Reg would disapprove

of Dennys. He should be makin’ her a damn omelet… cymbal crash.

by mintxcore on Feb 19, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m a little disappoInted at Denny’s.

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 19, 2011 9:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

in my defense, my dad, sister and sister’s fiance were going there and invited us. I talked them up to Denny’s from Coco’s, but they were unwilling to go get good breakfast.

You make me go through the full range of mother fuckers.

by G.Scott on Feb 20, 2011 3:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Denny's is considered a step up from coco's?

reallly?

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 20, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit, soooo wrong.

Denny’s is the bottom of the list. Below IHOP, below Coco’s/Carrow’s, perhaps below Norm’s. Just plain awful.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 20, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You would hate my new hat

My new awesome hat.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Feb 20, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

This is sooo cheesy but worth a laugh at least. #MVPBaseball2005

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jGW7_4u41Q

by silverwidow on Feb 19, 2011 10:50 PM PST reply actions  

The best part is that I bet that guy always was known as the guy that pulled his shirt up whenever he could

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 19, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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