2011 NL West Offseason Review: Arizona Diamondbacks
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 7:00 AM PST
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PrintAfter reviewing three teams, we have reached the end of our 2011 NL West offseason review, with the Arizona Diamondbacks. After making the NLCS in 2007 and challenging the Dodgers for the division title in 2008, the Diamondbacks have suffered through two last place finishes and 189 losses in the last two seasons. Will 2011 bring brighter fortunes in the desert?
Five Questions
| Arizona Diamondbacks | |
| 2010 Record: | 65-97 |
| Division Finish: |
Last Place, 27 GB |
| 2011 All-Star Game | July 12, at Chase Field |
| 2011 at Dodger Stadium: |
May 13-15, Jul 29-31, Sep 12-14 |
| 2011 Dodgers at Chase Field: | Jul 15-17, Aug 5-7, Sep 26-28 |
| SB Nation blog: | AZ Snakepit |
1) How awesome is Micah Owings?
Very. He might be my favorite non-Dodger in the NL West. He is back with the D-Backs on a minor league deal, but should he make the club, they have plans to use him both as a pitcher and a hitter. In 198 career plate appearances, Owings is a .293/.323/.538 hitter, and if he can have any kind of success at the plate, he could be an extremely valuable player, with the kind of versatility that creates an extra roster spot. Then again, on the mound, he has a 5.59 ERA the last three years (a 78 ERA+), so maybe he's not much of a two-way threat. No matter, Owings will always have a special place in my heart for getting a game-winning pinch hit double for the Reds against Arizona -- the team that traded him a month and a half earlier -- in the 10th inning on September 13, 2008, as the Dodgers were fighting tooth and nail with the Diamondbacks to reach the playoffs.
2) The Arizona bullpen can't be that bad again, right?
Most likely not. Arizona's bullpen was so bad last year that both A.J. Hinch and Kirk Gibson decided at times to try to avoid it entirely, many times at their own peril, by leaving starters in too long. Diamondback relievers in 2010 were worst in the league in ERA (5.74; a full run worse than the next worse team), WHIP (1.615), walk rate (4.59 per nine innings), and strikeout to walk ratio (1.48). Boston was the only bullpen that allowed more home runs (63) than Arizona's 62 long balls given up, and the D-Backs were 28th in strikeout rate (6.8 per nine innings). Arizona hopes that J.J. Putz at closer, plus a mostly young relief corp will lead to bullpen improvement, and those hopes are well warranted.
3) Is "Barry Enright" Arizonan for "John Ely"?
In a way, yes. Enright was a nice bright spot for the Diamondbacks in the second half, beginning his career 6-2 with a 2.45 ERA through 12 starts. Then, like Ely for the Dodgers, Enright hit the click in the roller coaster, and fell back to Earth, losing his final five starts, giving up 23 runs and 12 home runs (!!!) in 25 2/3 innings. On the season, Enright posted a 3.91 ERA that belied his 4.5 strikeouts per nine innings and 20 home runs allowed in 99 innings. Enright's 5.62 FIP and 5.19 xFIP suggest Enright might have further to fall.
4) Will Justin Upton bounce back?
Bet on it. While we in Los Angeles were occupied with Matt Kemp's subpar 2010, another NL West outfielder suffered a fall from grace last year, too. One year after hitting .300/.366/.532, Upton slid to .273/.356/.442 last year, a 100-point drop in raw OPS. Interestingly, Upton signed a six-year extension last winter worth $51.25 million (a cool $8.75 million less than the first six years of Carlos Gonzalez's deal with Colorado, for instance), then suffered a drop off in performance in year one. I still think there is too much talent in Upton to think he won't improve in 2011, and it's important to note that Upton is a mere 23 years old.
5) How many times has Kevin Towers acquired Geoff Blum?
Three. Towers signed Blum to the Padres in 2005, then traded him midseason to the White Sox, with whom Blum won a World Series. Towers signed Blum again in 2006 in San Diego (and technically, again in 2007, though Blum simply stayed with the same team this time), and then again this winter with Arizona.
Offseason Moves
| Diamondbacks Trades This Winter | ||
|---|---|---|
| Team | Traded | Acquired |
| Pirates | Cesar Valdez rhp | Zach Duke lhp |
| Yankees | Scottie Allen rhp | Juan Miranda 1b |
| Orioles | Mark Reynolds 3b | David Hernandez rhp Kam Mickolio rhp |
| Tigers |
Kevin Eichhorn rhp Ryan Robowski lhp |
Armando Galarraga rhp |
The big trade was the dumping of Mark Reynolds, who fell victim to his propensity to strikeout. He hit .198, but to put that in perspective his 98 OPS+ was indistinguishable from the 99 OPS+ put up by both Dodgers cornermen, James Loney and Casey Blake last year.
| Diamondbacks Contracts Signed This Winter | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | Type | Total Contract | 2011 Salary |
| OF/IF | Willie Bloomquist | FA | 1 year, $900,000 (+option) | $750,000 |
| P | Aaron Heilman | FA | 1 year, $2 million | $2,000,000 |
| 3B | Melvin Mora | FA | 1 year, $2 million | $2,000,000 |
| CL | J.J. Putz | FA | 2 years, $10 million (+option) | $4,000,000 |
| OF/1B | Xavier Nady | FA | 1 year, $1.75 million | $1,750,000 |
| C | Henry Blanco | FA | 1 year, $1.25 million (+option) | $1,000,000 |
| IF | Geoff Blum | FA | 2 years, $2.7 million | $1,350,000 |
| SP | Joe Saunders | Arb | 1 year, $5.5 million | $5,500,000 |
| SS | Stephen Drew | Arb | 2 years, $15.75 million (+option) | $4,650,000 |
| SP | Zach Duke | Arb | 1 year, $4.25 million (+option) | $3,500,000 |
| C | Miguel Montero | Arb | 1 year, $3.2 million | $3,200,000 |
| 2B | Kelly Johnson | Arb | Hasn't signed yet; filed for arb ($4.7m / $6.5m) | |
Mike Hampton, Wily Mo Pena, and Micah's brother Chris Owings are among the non-roster invitees to spring training.
| Diamondbacks Players Lost | ||
|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | New Team |
| SP | Brandon Webb | Rangers |
| 1B | Adam LaRoche | Nationals |
| SP | Rodrigo Lopez | Braves* |
| SP | Kris Benson | retired |
| P | Roque Mercedes | Brewers |
| OF | Ryan Church | still out there |
| RP | Blaine Boyer | Mets* |
| IF | Augie Ojeda | Cubs* |
| RP | D.J. Carrasco | Mets |
| IF | Rusty Ryal | Japan |
| *Minor league deal | ||
Here's my guess as to the Diamondbacks' 25-man roster, with a few assumptions mixed in, especially on the pitching staff:
| 2011 Diamondbacks Under Contract | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Pos | Player | 2011 Age* | 2011 Salary |
| C | Miguel Montero | 27 | $3,200,000 |
| 1B | Brandon Allen | 25 | team control |
| 2B | Kelly Johnson | 29 | $5,600,000^ |
| 3B | Melvin Mora | 39 | $2,000,000 |
| SS | Stephen Drew | 28 | $4,650,000 |
| LF | Xavier Nady | 32 | $1,750,000 |
| CF | Chris Young | 27 | $5,000,000 |
| RF | Justin Upton | 23 | $4,250,000 |
| IF | Geoff Blum | 38 | $1,350,000 |
| IF/OF | Willie Bloomquist | 33 | $750,000 |
| IF | Tony Abreu | 26 | team control |
| OF | Gerardo Parra | 24 | team control |
| C | Henry Blanco | 39 | $1,000,000 |
| SP | Joe Saunders | 30 | $5,500,000 |
| SP | Zach Duke | 28 | $3,500,000 |
| SP | Dan Hudson |
24 | team control |
| SP | Ian Kennedy | 26 | team control |
| SP | Barry Enright | 25 | team control |
| CL | J.J. Putz | 34 | $4,000,000 |
| RHP | Aaron Heilman | 32 | $2,000,000 |
| RHP | Esmerling Vazquez | 27 | team control |
| RHP | Juan Gutierrez | 27 | team control |
| RHP | David Hernandez | 26 | team control |
| RHP | Armando Galarraga | 29 | $2,300,000 |
| RHP | Sam Demel | 25 | team control |
| Totals (15 players) |
$46,850,000 | ||
| *Age as of June 30, 2011 ^midpoint of Johnson's arb figures |
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Thanks to Baseball-Reference.com and Cot's Baseball Contracts.
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Very nice article Eric.
I really enjoyed the part about Blum and Owings. Very cool.
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
love the caption
one question though,
Arizona’s bullpen was so bad last year that both Eric Wedge and Kirk Gibson decided at times to try to avoid it entirely, many times at their own peril
Did you mean AJ Hinch?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
I did
Late night brain fart. And fixed.
Thanks
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 7:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
you're welcome
see what Dr. Pepper binges get you?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Eric has been killing it with the captions lately
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
the Rockies one
killed me yesterday.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
He heard that Grant was pretty funny and he was like, “GFY — I am the Caption King!”
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
under
gibson fired aug 15
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
That rotation is so bad
Although I think Dan Hudson is going to be pretty solid.
Max Scherzer was always really fun to watch. At least for the 4 innings his starts usually lasted.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
Getting sent to a good team fixed that problem. Man threw more innings than Kershaw last year.
@andrewngrant
Sure, total innings
His stint in the minors reminded me of when Doc Halladay was sent to the minors only to return and become what he is today.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I don't think the rotation is THAT bad
I think Hudson is a stud. Kennedy had a very nice season last year and is still young. Duke has been crap, but for a 4th starter, you could do much worse.
Plus, there’s depth in Galarraga (and Hernandez) if Enright or Duke screws the pooch.
Kennedy was lucky to get away with what he did. I don’t think you appreciate how bad Duke is.
@andrewngrant
Probably not
I’m probably giving the Pirates organization too much credit for his suck and not Duke himself. I am glad, however, that Ned didn’t go after him. He kinda seems like a Ned guy to me.
I would rather have Galarraga start ahead of one of those mooks in the rotation
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
He’s really bad. No one would have even wanted him (except the team that’s actively acquiring really bad players (the Diamondbacks))if it weren’t for kinda throwing a perfect game.
@andrewngrant
Have you actually compared the numbers of Galarraga and Duke? Armando’s are better than Duke’s. But that’s like comparing a bucket of cat piss to a handful of ass.
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
and both
now in a hitters park.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Never feel bad for a major league baseball player. They have as good a life as God has ever created for anyone.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
But they have the Dodgers at #10 which seems insulting. Especially when the Cardinals are planning to give 60+ starts to Jake Westbrook and the ghost of Kyle Lohse.
Thats bullshit.
We are probably in the top 5.
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
just point out BR
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
There should be an autoban script
for anyone posting anything from there
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Then we’d be just as bad as they are.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Spoiler alert!
It’s me.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
We would?
its just horrible articles that are only written to make people angry and argue in the comments, and then every time someone posts it here someone else gets up in arms like its a legit list that should be debated.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I thought you meant on here.
And I think Grant is a fantastic writer.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
he's talking
about Bleacher Report
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
i wouldn't get too insulted from something on Bleacher report
they almost never know what they’re talking about.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
Top 7 at least
after the Giants and Phillies there is plenty of debate to be had over who belongs in the top 5
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
We are going to be giving
32 starts to Jon Garland. Don’t be all glad handing our rotation just yet.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
32?
I heard he was already injured
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
Garland
will pitch just lousy enough to irritate everyone but not lousy enough to ever get removed from the rotation.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Wouldn’t you rather have Ryan Church then Jay Gibbons?
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Yes
Better to miss third base than never get there.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 7:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That reminds me..
Does anyone remember A.J. Ellis bunt triple in Houston?
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
i remember his slide
and then Kershaw’s reaction to it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Right
Wasn’t that the start of AJ Ellis going on fire?
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I know who my favorite follow is on Twitter, no offense
ochocinco Chad Ochocinco
Goodmorning world, I love you motherfuckers
http://twitpic.com/3w3y9u
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
I just saw him on the Dan Patrick show..
And he was all, “Nigga its all Ocho-land.”
… Did he just call Dan Patrick…?
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
To be fair, that’s what I call Dan Patrick too.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
You don’t wanna know what I call him.
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
Dude, Dan Patrick is a G.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
I never denied. I just said you don’t wanna know.
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
I really love Ochocinco. He made up a twitter account for his singing alter ego. Amazing.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
have you heard
Brian Wilson is back on twitter?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
WHAT?!
No! Is he @brianwilson?
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
sorry, should have elaborated
that’s a link to the yahoo story saying he’s back on twitter.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Damn, there goes Maddz and her virtuous ways
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Hahahahahaha. I’d have to have virtuous ways in the first place to lose them. :)
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
That is why it was funny…but now it is not :(
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
i figured your joke
is kind of a set up for Maddz’z
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
he is another twitter pussy
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
I don’t know why this made me laugh so much…mostly because it was written in a blog as a response to a twitter comment. Somehow I just find the insult funny and backfiring a bit.
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder how many
if any, D-backs fans will stop by today….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Doubtful. The site sometimes feels like
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I have an involuntary flinch when I see that picture because McC used to use that to describe TBLA (with “True Blue LA” on the building sign)
Joke’s on them – now we have a bustling community with intelligent posting.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
We
always had intelligent posting, all ten of us.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Serously?
Man… Well now they can seriously screw off with that.
And hey, most of our comments have actual coherent words strung together! Even if often off topic!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Well they are pretty lively during the season
in the game threads.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Hello
:-)
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
wassup
enjoy the writeup?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Seemed fair
But I’d expect nothing less from Eric. I’m not expecting us at all to contend in 2011. It’s more a reloading year, as we build towards 2012 and beyond. If we can reach the high-70’s in wins, I’ll be very happy, as all I’m looking for is a platform from which we can make a push in 2012. Whether we get there or not may depend on whether or not we bother to call up our top pitching prospect Jarrod Parker.
I’ll take the over on Xeifrank’s number, mostly due to the vastly less-sucky bullpen. We were 6-18 last year when tied at the start of the 8th inning. If we can simply get back to .500 in those games, the six extra wins would take us to 73. Problem solved. :-)
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
Grrrrr
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Nothing to see here.
Just another coherent comment with intelligent words strung together.
Albeit off-topic.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
they can't read
the fact that there are no LOLcats makes them think no one is here. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
d'oh
that was about MCC, I was looking where i posted that.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
wasn’t*
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
LOLDodgers
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i wonder
if they know Martin’s not here anymore.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Heh
I seriously debated tossing in a LOLcat picture, which would be sort of on topic at least, as a way of satire but thought it wouldn’t come across. So never mind.
Next!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And 2-14 tied at the start of the ninth...
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
what's the general feeling
of Gibby as a manager?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Dunno about the players, but he strikes the fear of god into me...
He’s definitely old-school, and will run a tighter ship – he already started clamping down on things like iPads in the clubhouse immediately before games. With the departure of Reynolds and LaRoche, he’s going to have to manufacture more runs, so curious to see how he’s going to do that. Ramp up the running game perhaps?
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
by Jim McLennan on Feb 3, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I heard a story on MLB Network last year about Gibson in 1988 with the Dodgers, and Wikipedia has it as well:
the Dodgers used to play a game called “flinch”, where a person would fake throwing a punch at another and, if the other person flinched, the one who faked the blow would get to punch the other in the chest. Orel Hershiser tried this with Gibson, and Gibson responded by shoving Hershiser with his forearm (“forearm shiver”) and telling him sternly, “I don’t play ‘Flinch’!”
Gibson definitely has the red ass.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
heh
i was surprised he seemed ok with that bit of tomfoolery involving Kelly Johnson and “It’s Raining Men”.
Well he smiled at least.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
That was so great
Here is the link to the video.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
i just love the look on Kelly Johnson's face
“You motherfuckers”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
What's Parker's assumed ETA as of now?
September?
Yeah the bullpen could not be worse, has to be improved, so that alone will have them competing more at least… Tough division this year imho makes it a bit harder.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It gets overlooked, but I feel like outside of one fluke season (2005? Padres won at 82-80?) the NL West is always either winning the wild card or is deep in the playoffs.
2010: Giants win WS
2009: Dodgers in NLCS
2008: Dodgers in NLCS
2007: Rockies in WS
2006: Dodgers win WC
2005: Never happened.
2004: Astros won WC with 92 wins, Giants had 91
2003: Giants had 100 wins
2002: Giants in WS, DBacks win WC
2001: DBacks win WS
Just in the last ten years, it’s been a pretty competitive division outside of a couple years.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
That’s not what ESPN tells me, so I don’t believe you.
/everyone else ever
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Heh
Yeah, it does seem the division is often dismissed as weak or inconsequential and then lo and behold it often has among the best pitching staffs and sometimes 2 playoff teams. And occasional WS winner. But hey, it’s the opposite of East Coast so it doesn’t matter.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This seems like it’s in line with randomness. There’s at worst a 50% chance (give or take a few) that your division will send someone to the NLCS.
@andrewngrant
Well, considering how often the NL Central is touting as being able to smash the NL West…
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
smash
like a pop fly into Matt Holliday’s ballsack
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
playoff series are hardly a coin flip. Having to actually play a game against an opponent doesn’t equate to chance.
I get your point, I just think that’s a far too simplistic way of looking at it.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
Your division is guaranteed to have one slot in a division series. That team has ~ a 50% of winning that series, so there’s a ~ a 50% chance your division will make it to the LCS.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Three divisions + one WC =
NLE Winner
NLC Winner
NLW Winner
WC Team
Assuming chances of winning first round series is 50/50, the NLW winner has a 50% of making it to the NLCS. Now if the WC winner is from the NLW then you would have a 1 – (.5 * .5) = 75% chance of having a NLW team in the NLCS.
MFTMFW
what about
when they add another WC?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
interesting question.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Without knowing any details, I would imagine yes.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Ok then you have three scenarios
let’s assume our division of interest in the NLW
Scenario 1: both wild cards come from the NLW
= 1 – (.5 * .5) = 75% chance an NLW team makes NLCS
Scenario 2: one wild card team comes from the NLW
= 1 – (.5 * .75) = 62.5% chance an NLW team makes the NLCS.
Scenario 3: no wild card teams come from the NLW
= 1 – (.5 * 1) = 50% chance an NLW team makes the NLCS.
So you have three ranges, 50%, 62.5% and 75%. Now of course each scenario itself probably has a different probability of occurring.
No rush
Except in the very unlikely event of us being in contention. We may not see him at all this season – no point starting the arb. clock. Don’t forget, he’s still recovering from Tommy John, though that surgery was 15 months ago. September would make sense, let him get his feet wet in a few, low-pressure games.
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
by Jim McLennan on Feb 3, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
I'll also be linking here
In tomorrow’s link dump, so you might get a few more invaders.
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
by Jim McLennan on Feb 3, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
We'll all be gone by then!
these threads don’t last like they used to…
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Does anyone know when Brandon’s new article is supposed to be up? I know today, but what time?
If this doesn't get Maria Sharapova to notice me, nothing will.
Either 500 comments here or 01:00 PM, whichever comes 1st.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I find it odd that Rickey Henderson never had a season with double-digit triples. In fact, never more than 7. I figured playing in the Colliseum and the bigger ballparks of yore he’d have more opportunities. Maybe he just wanted to steal third instead.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
According to Three Nights in August, he was good at stealing but kind of lackadaisical at base running.
And thought that the A’s were giving preferential treatment to Conseco.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Triples are made by running hard out of the box, Rickey not so much. Kind of the same complaint I’ve had about Matt kemp leaving the batters box if the ball is in the air.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Don’t have time to really research this, but I’m surprised one theory wasn’t that as a leadoff hitter, he hit far more often with no outs, and maybe more often with two outs than one out, because he’s hitting after weakest part of the lineup. The old baseball adage is never make the first or last out at third base, so he would have risked it less?
Rickey has over 6300 PA with no outs, and close to equal in the other two categories (about 1% more with two outs), totaling nearly 7000 combined. Though another leadoff guy, Brett Butler, tripled at a higher rate (being lefty helps a little), with similar ratios in batting with outs, although he did hit with one out about 10% more than two outs. A middle of the order guy, like Manny Ramirez, is nearly equally spread amongst the three possibilities.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Rickey’s so good he didn’t need to hit triples to make it fair to the other team.
The average leadoff hitter in 83 had 7 triples, since you’d expect a man with 108 steals to be above average, you can’t just blame the lineup position.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I was just surprised it wasn’t amongst the theories.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It was so good that I had to look it up and see if it was true.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
The secret to life (and survival in the aerospace biz) is to be able to say lots of stuff that sounds plenty plausible, whether or not is in fact true.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This is how I’ve lived my whole life.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
It is the cornerstone of my career, for sure. OTOH, my wife knows full well when I’m bullshitting or not.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I have used this tactic well in my IT career.
Management-type: “How did you get the network back up?”
Me: “Flushed the revers ARP cache and everything started flowing!”
I don’t know what you just said, so I would simply nod. :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Haha. I figured. I would just nod since we have an understanding that I can talk baseball during work hours.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
The beginning of all this
was in Airport (1970) with Dean Martin (Pilot) talking to brilliant passenger when they were making a turn and they didn’t want anyone to know they were doing it. You tube has a bazillion video’s from Airport but none of this scene. to bad.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
The worst
is when you don’t know what you did to fix it something.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I always like the approach of opening something up, jiggling a few things around, then turning the printer on an off, and viola it works and the user thinks you did something other then turning it on an off.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Nothing like restarting the printer cache to be a hero.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
If you ever wondered if ownership could get worse than the McCourts
Look at the Redskins. Now Dan Snyder is suing over this story you never would have seen otherwise.
i read that yesterday
unbelieveable
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
He's officially the douchiest owner in sports
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Seriously, he's even douchier than Sterling
Er, maybe it’s a close call… but has a longer list of bad behavior.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Not only would I never have seen the story (which I only glanced at), I didn’t even know Dan Snyder was Jewish.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Well as Charles Krauthammer would remind you, “”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/24/AR2006092400947.html" target="new">Everyone is Jewish until proven otherwise."
by StolenMonkey86 on Feb 3, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
One of Snyder’s charges is that the drawing on his picture is “anti-Semitic”.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I understand that he is playing the card, but why does it matter that you didn’t even know he was Jewish? Does that make him any more or less of a d-bag?
World's most Visionary Cities
One American City is on this list.
Before clicking on the link can you guess which one?
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-37533159
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
My first guess was Denver. After looking, I’m still in disbelief.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
i don't know how shocking it is
i have never been there to judge for myself.
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
True
I love the idea.
What did you think of the Russian Stadium sports stadium, looks like something you would enter and then take off in.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I like it
I think new stadiums in the US lack imagination and just another area we are getting our asses kicked.
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
One hint
it hosts a major league baseball team.
Some might know that team has my favorite player on it.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Tampa Bay?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
San Francisco
Pat Burrell is your favorite player, right?
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
We traded James Loney?
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
Its a lot easier to have urban gardens
When half of your buildings are empty.
There is a lot of “urban farming” going on in the SFV. I can tell because I’ve seen several hydroponics stores around. On a related note, tons of fast-food restaurants here too.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
except in Humbolt you get more granola than fast food. Hey imagine a fast food granola place? I bet it’d have a bike lane rather than a drive through.
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
And hey have you seen this in the news recently
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I am not like Jay Leno, if anything I’m Conan-esque : )
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I feel terrible about it, but you just threw that one over the plate.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I have internet ADD, way better than on TV ADD
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
"Healthy" food places never have a damn drive through
I don’t want to have to get out of my car to get my jamba juice and subway and flame broiler durnit!
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Cupcake Wars!
My cousin got invited to audition for Cupcake Wars on Food Network. She is sending in her video this season. She is ridiculously awesome at decorative baking (or anything, really).
She made a cake for my niece a few weeks ago for her graduation from Cal Poly Pomona, a replica of the CLA building:
My sister tells me
the building is actually totally messed up
a) it was supposed to point to LA I think, but the pointed it wrong and it points elswhere
b) Its doing a leaning tower of Pisa act.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
They might have to actually tear it down
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_10347262
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Sometimes the little things
make you a star at work.
My friend from Kansas arrived this week with 30 Girl Scout Cookie boxes for his wives family, and us. So I got to bring in the cookies to work six weeks before the California Girl Scouts deliver their cookies. The thin mints and shortbreads are being devoured as we speak.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
thin mints
FTMFW
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
this
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
My elementary school yearbook
Man, I forgot which year. Want to say fourth grade. I need to dig up that picture and scan it in.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
For real? Yes, yes you do.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
It’s not as good as the picture that made the yearbook of me in first grade in the middle of story time or whatever zipping my pants up.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
In fourth grade, our teacher died in the middle of the year. For whatever reason, they decided instead of giving us grades, they would make us put on a production of Julius Caesar. I was cast as Brutus and at one point during the play, I switch my toga cord to signify that I have switched sides.
My toga fell off when I took off the first cord (and yes, I was wearing clothes underneath). But instead of putting my toga back on and then continuing my monologue, I attempted to put it back on while continuing with the monologue.
My mom and grandmother were laughing so hard they were crying.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
For whatever reason, they decided instead of giving us grades, they would make us put on a production of Julius Caesar.
Still more plausible than the plot of “Dead Man On Campus.”
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
or that other movie, what was it, Rejected or some such, where they built their own college from a nut house?
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
i've never seen that movie
but I remember when it came out.
“Wait, so basically, they’re such fuck-ups and in need of good grades they’re willing to have someone DIE?!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I really do like Dead Man on Campus. It has a ton of LOL moments.
Plus, the triumphant return of Zack Morris.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Jake Busey, after he sets the girl’s (Alyson Hanigan?) hair on fire: “So I guess a blow job is out of the question?”
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
In my 5th and 6th grade class
Every Thursday afternoon at 2 we had “Rhythm”. This was almost always square-dancing (in the LAUSD!) on the auditorium stage, IIRC. At that age I was terrified to touch a girl’s hand. It was really awkward.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
In high school, there was some sort of gathering of all the music kids in the school. The guitar/choir teacher was really young and very attractive. This is going to come as a surprise, but I was known for dancing in high school — whenever we did a latin piece in jazz band, I would salsa in the back when I wasn’t playing) — and they pulled me up on stage to dance meringue.
With the hot guitar teacher.
The color red I achieved has only been matched by the blood in Dexter.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
in HS, you danced in nothing but whipped egg whites and sugar??
Who was “they” that pulled you up, exactly? Hot Guitar Teacher’s henchmen?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
merengue, my bad. yo soy una gringa. :)
Actually, my teachers did. :(
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Andy Pettite is retiring
Yanks are in trouble…CC and Hughes and pray for booze?
Or you know, we’ll just trade ’em Padilla for a top prospect. :-) /make up absurd trades
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Doesn't sound that absurd
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Well I was gonna suggest Padilla for Montero
I wouldn’t turn that down!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Would you
trade Billingsley for Montero/Chamberlain/Betances
We need offense, they need pitching.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I don’t know who Chamberlain and Betances is.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, not the former British Prime Minister. I don’t think he’s very good at baseball.
:D
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
I just assumed it was a prospect I’d never heard of.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
i read that as project, and suddenly wondered when the two of you joined MI-6
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe. I’d rather have Banuelos though. Also depends on if Montero can actually play C. Guess you’d have to rely on your scouts for that.
Yeah probably. Montero is an absolute stud and could help the team immediately. Joba clearly has the talent to succeed so maybe he just needs a different environment. Betances is a live arm at least.
@andrewngrant
But I thought Montero wasn’t expected to stick at catcher. Does he become our 1B? If so, has he had much time at 1B?
1st base
is realistic, and to be honest with that bat I wouldn’t even think about screwing around with him at catcher.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Run him out there instead of Barajas this year, if it’s really a disaster send him back down, convert him to first and he takes over for Loney in 2012.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
You’d then be forced to eat the 1mil you gave Navarro and would be putting the most expensive catcher in the division on the bench.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
I’m willing to make these sacrifices.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t see justifying trading Chad Billingsley for a regressing reliever and someone to stash in the minors.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
If it is a case of how you sell it to the public then Chamberlain is the headliner of that deal anyway. The other two are just prospects that most people haven’t heard of.
The issue isn’t the public, the issue is getting no guaranteed MLB player in return outside of a soon-to-be-expensive middle reliever. Montero is a top prospect, sure, but he’s still just a prospect.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
If we where doing the deal
we would have to be way out of contention imho. Even then Ned wouldn’t do it.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Or we’d have to be IN contention, with Padilla, Garland, Lilly, Kuroda and Kershaw healthy and pitching well, and an offer on the table for an offensive upgrade to put us over the top.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
I wouldn't do it for Montero then
but I would consider trading Bills in that situation but it would have to be for someone like Fielder
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Right. Depends on the situation is what I’m saying.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
Agree with that. I would hate to weaken our pretty awesome rotation for the potential of a power prospect. That, and Chamberlain seems like an ass clown to me.
I would hate to give up Billingsley, but I think it would be pretty awesome if somebody acquires Joba, then puts him in the starting rotation and he just dominates. That would make me smile.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
FTFY
Agree with that. I would hate to weaken our pretty awesome rotation for the potential of a power prospect. That, and Chamberlainseems like an ass clown to meis a Yankee.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
This and I really can’t see us making a serious effort to re-sign Bills. Yeah, I’d do it.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Based on the
fact they have Teixeira/Posada and Montero is not a catcher, it seems the knowledgeable Yankee expect Montero to be moved for pitching at some point.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Yeah I agree
I could see the Yankees being interested, especially after they watch their #s 3-5 pitchers crap on the mound for 2 months. That said, I’d still rather not trade Bills… (but it is tempting in this case)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He is the only chip we have to bring back a young, cost controlled power hitter.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Billz is probably my favorite Dodger right now, but you are right. If they aren’t going to sign him to an extension, we’d get max value for him this year at the deadline.
Plus once the Yankees got involved, Billz would suddenly be a guy on the verge of being an “Ace”.
Yes
My Bills homerism simply won’t allow me to sign off on this.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I would not take that trade well
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I cried when DeWitt was traded, I think I would be inconsolable and then very drunk if Billz were traded.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
You cried for him? So emo.
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
YEs
Especially if we are not willing to lock up Chad to something long term (if that is what the FO is thinking)
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
That is a huge hit
for the Yankee’s. The rotation is really in trouble now unless AJ Burnett bounces back and Hughes steps it up a notch.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
It sounds odd for the Yankees
but for the first time in a while they have some pretty good pitching depth in the minors who are not far off. Possible guys who could help by mid-season. I also don’t think Nova will be that bad as 4th/5th guy. Burnett is the huge question mark. They really need him to bounce back.
CC Hughes Burnett Brackman and Mitre?
I know if we had that rotation the last two years we’d be pretty excited. With the offense they have, they’re still contenders.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
If we had their offense, I'd be okay with that rotation
But I can’t imagine being excited by all 5, especially without their offense.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I wouldn't be
the back three are bad pitchers.
That is like saying you’d be happy to see
Kershaw, McDonald, Burnett, Withrow, and Monk
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
A.J. Burnett had a bad year. He is not a bad pitcher.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
To elaborate
Per Baseball HQ:
It’s not what any team wants to see out of its $82 million investment. Since 2007, just about everything is in free-fall mode:
* His Dom has gone from elite to just-passable.
* His Ctl, rarely a strong point before, has worsened in the past two seasons, and dropped his Cmd below the 2.0 threshold.
* Parallel BPV and xERA trends encapsulate his increasing struggles.
The past two seasons are more alarming when one considers that his seasonal BPV low between 2004-2008 was 98. In New York, he’s been consistently mediocre: half-season xERAs of 4.31/4.47/4.53/4.54 (2009-2010) and half-season BPVs (same periods) of 55/57/43/50. Be careful of overvaluing Burnett’s name this offseason; current skills say he’s a shell of his former self.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
You know what DOM is
You know what CTL is
You know what Cmd is
xERA is simply their own version of FIP / xFIP
BPV stands for Base Pitching Value – 100 being great, takes all of the peripherals and comes up with a number. Maybe the single best number to use when evaluating the current skills a pitcher possesses.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
“WAR is stupid”
“Here is Player X’s BPV”
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
They have nothing to do with each other. At all.
As xeifrank noted, Garland could end the season with a war 2.2 but that does not make him a good pitcher. Peripherals are peripherals.
I’ve noted the definition before:
Pitching BPV: ((Dominance Rate – 5.0) x 18) + ((4.0 – Walk rate) x 27) + (Ground ball rate as whole number – 40)
This formula combines the individual raw skills of dominance, control and the ability to keep the ball on the ground, all characteristics that are unaffected by most external team factors. In tandem with a pitcher’s strand rate, it provides a complete picture of the elements that contribute to a pitcher’s ERA, and therefore serves as an accurate tool to project likely changes in ERA. BENCHMARKS: A BPV of 50 is the minimum level required for long-term success. The elite of the bullpen aces will have BPV’s in excess of 100 and it is rare for these stoppers to enjoy long term success with consistent levels under 75.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
We disagree entirely on WAR
Garland is in fact a good pitcher. There is actual value in what he provides.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I will take a pitcher with skills and give him 180 innings over a pitcher with low skills and give him 180 innings. At the end of those 180 innings my pitcher most of the time will have a higher WAR then the pitcher with a low skill set because the pitcher with the better skill set is simply the better pitcher.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
But who are we talking about in respect to Garland? To whom are you comparing him?
There is another factor, such as likelihood of actually pitching 180 innings. I will bet on Garland being able to take the ball every fifth day and be at or close enough to league average.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think he’s saying Garland doesn’t have a good set of skills, despite what WAR tells us.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
I’m curious if he thinks his pretty consistent 2+ WAR is wrong? His peripherals aren’t great, his K/9 rate is very low but his BB/9 and GB rates are average to slightly above average compared to other NL starters. His innings eating capability has some added benefit too.
More Garland = less AAAA fodder.
He’s average, not good, he’s basically a Zach Duke. Out of the possible 93 starting pitchers in the NL, his BPV of 51 is 71st. Now yes, he has a history of actually being able to pitch 180 innings so that is to his credit, as a GM do you give him those 180 innings knowing exactly what you are going to get production wise, or do you acquire a higher skill set pitcher and give him the opportunity to pitch every fifth day. Will that pitchers skill set decline the more he pitches, can he pitch 180 innings, these are the trade offs.
WAR tells us nothing about a players skill set, only what the production was. It is great for comparing who did what in the past, I think it is useless for telling us what they are going to do in the future. Looking at Garlands skill set I doubt he can give another 2.2 WAR performance in 2011.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I still don’t know how or why Garland became the subject here. I don’t even know what you are arguing.
I made a joke about WAR because you always completely dismiss it out of hand, and then tossed out BPV like anyone knows what the hell it is.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ha
the original goes back to AJ Burnett and why I don’t have much faith in him bouncing back for the Yankee’s.
I took your joke for snide and went overboard.
I’ve posted about BPV before with you because you have asked for the definition before. Thought since this was a conversation between us, I didn’t need to elaborate on the definition.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Do projections tell us
what we think a player will do in the future? Are there good projections (starting pitchers) out there that you believe in? if so, those projections can be plugged in to FIP and have a fWAR spit out. You don’t start with WAR when projecting out a player, but you sure can end with it. You say Garland is average, I assume based off of BPV and WAR says he is close to average too. Not sure what to say.
I must admit
I’ve never heard of BPV until now. Would like to see it scaled to an ERA type of number and compared with the ERA, FIP, xFIP, SIERA, tERAs of the world. Kind of like Sky Kalkman’s recent article at BP showing how the different metrics stack up against each other based on sample sizes (IP).
Yankees trying to bring back 2003
CC
Prior
Burnett
Colon
Garcia
Of course, Mariano Rivera keeps pitching like it’s 2003.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
ERA+. If you go to WAR (which is the only thing that’s defense neutral and park adjusted that’s easy to find) it goes
Brown
Brown
Lee
Brown
Brown
Brown
Brown
Lee
Brown
Lee
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
just think it is important that with so many metrics available that when someone makes a claim like that they let us know what metric they are using or display a table or give us a link.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Doing a quick look, it doesn’t look like it.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
That being said
Brown in 1996 with the Marlins is better than any year Halladay had based on ERA+
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Based on BB-Ref WAR
Brown
Brown
Roy
Roy
Roy
Roy
Roy
Brown
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
lets play mad libs
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Your signature reminds me of Bioshock.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
hah it does seem like it would fit
Its actually a Terry Pratchett quote but I have no idea from where
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I am a fan, especially considering the alternatives.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
indeed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
so, Pettite is retiring
how does his HOF case look?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:10 AM PST reply actions
Not a Hall of Famer
Will likely be voted a Hall of Famer, eventually
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
how much
does the steroid thing hurt him?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone forgot already since he wasn’t jacked.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
He apologized (for nothing specifically), so he’s in the “good guy” pile.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
you can cheat, just be sorryish about it
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Unless you’re everyone else who asked for forgiveness, in which case fuck you.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
How many others actually fessed up?
Giambi and?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
McGwire. Other Giambi, Lawton, probably other guys I’m forgetting.
McGwire saw his Hall votes drop after he admitted it. Giambi and Lawton were never heard from again.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
yes
he admitted it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
and everyone dropped it afterwards
People hate the ones who take forever to fess up, or continue to deny it.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Manny didn’t really say anything — you think that’ll come up again?
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
He’s below the Brown/Mussina/Schilling group. Will probably Jack Morris his way in.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
especially
with all the Postseason games he’s won.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Arizona’s bullpen was so bad last year that both A.J. Hinch and Kirk Gibson decided at times to try to avoid it entirely, many times at their own peril, by leaving starters in too long.
I remember this; this is why Ze German had to come in for a few innings of relief, right?
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
E-Jax was awesome in that game (9 shutout innings), but one of the games I was thinking of was May 12, when Jackson was done in the seventh inning and after 120 pitches was left in to face Manny Ramirez with the bases loaded (walking Ethier intentionally to load them for Manny no less!)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
right
just a few feet higher and it would have been a slam.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
OT: but this is kinda lame. My Sunday soccer league
has postponed games this coming Sunday because of the super bowl. Why is that lame? Because it’s a Sunday morning league. SB (not counting the hours of blather) doesn’t start til around 3.
Sigh, I needed the exercise before stuffing my face with SB snacks.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
super long pregame
I guess I can start drinking early. :-/
but seriously, I hate most of the blather before the game if my team isn’t in it (and even then I do).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
How long is it this year? 7 years?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
woops meant to say 7 hours
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
right the first time, hyperbole is only funny when it’s not true
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I hate it more when a team I actually follow is talked about in pregame
because they usually have no clue what they are talking about.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Don't worry
You won’t have that problem for a while.
(says the Raiders fan)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
specially since it’s Ryan Secrest hosting
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Only the first 4 hours
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
There is no such thing as a mild amount of Seacrest
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
and biting wit
you forgot the biting wit
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
The Super Bowl
Is my third favorite thing I’m doing on Sunday and I’m really not that enthused about it anyway.
Golf in the morning, Clipper game at 9 am, Super Bowl party in the late afternoon.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Toronto usually dominates the Sunday morning non-ABC slate.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
6 and a half hours before the Super Bowl is probably the reason.
by Michael White on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I had a brain cramp there, not thinking that one through.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
big time bbqs take big time prep
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I’ve got the standard burgers and dogs along with access to a deep fryer for wings. Any recommendations?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
deep fried
burgers and dogs
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Deep fried bacon wrapped hot dogs!
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
This must be y'alls favorite chef
She approves!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
bacon + hot dog?
mix in some nice spices with your burgers? I’m still new to the whole thing, but even basic prep for me when I had half a dozen friends come over last sunday took me almost an hour.
Jalapanoe Poppers? Nachos Grande?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I usually grill some Anaheim chilies with the burgers. Was thinking about blue cheese stuffed but I have no idea how that’ll go.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I'm in the mood for blue cheese
and sometimes I want nothing to do with it. Its a love hate type of food.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Yeah it would only be a couple.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
oh man
My Uncle’s B-day party was last weekend, and he’s a Grillmaster. He made Ribs, Tri-tip roast, and Briscuit…….all delicious.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Ribs take big time cook time
mmmmmmm
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
but when done right
(drool)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
When done right they are in my top 3 favorite foods
Luckilly my dad makes them like once or twice a month, and always saves them for when he knows I’ll be coming over for dinner.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
heh
my mom has got slow cooking them down really well, so they are fall of the bone delicious when we have them.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
No way I’m gonna get up early enough for brisket. Tri-tip might work though.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
man I totallies need a deep frier
I just used shortening to fry my wings for the first time, and was horrified when it turned back into shortening after turning into oil
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I just grill my wings
they still turn out delicious
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
My deep fryer is pouring a giant bottle of oil into a pot.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
so when you said access to, you mean you know where you left the big pot?
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, and I have a girlfriend that’s willing to risk her life and actually do it. No way in hell I would.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
aww, you sound like me, like two months ago. Phil made fun of me, it was cute.
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
If not dying in a freak oil explosion is wrong I don’t want to be right.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I find it hard to believe I made fun of anyone, are you sure I wasn’t mocking you?
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
teased i think is the apropo word here. You told me to like throw ice in or some such, when I was asking how I know the oil is at 350
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
ah yes
nothing like water hitting boiling oil to jazz up a place.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Don’t fry things while topless.
/Maddz Mommz
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Don’t iron while very pregnant and wearing only a bra. I’ve seen this result in a burn.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
On the day of my college graduation (the walking ceremony at least) I was ironing my gown while wearing it. My mom was just staring at me shaking her head in shame.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
white girls used to do that to their hair, apparently
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
WHITE PEOPLE PROBLEMS
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Just observing and commenting (in a “hey, that’s a nice dress” kind of way)…I like “totes” better than “totallies”
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
oh Tantalus
so hungry, so thirsty. But ya shouldn’t have been a dick.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
I just call them as I see them.
Just like I don’t get “The hell?” instead of “What the hell?”
It’s more a me problem than a you problem.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
the problem is totally is part of my vocabulary, growing up in LA and all. But that sounds so like 90s or whatever. So like, I’m trying to jazz it up but jeez, gag me with a spoon already ; )
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
obviously they didn’t want to miss the Liverpool v Chelsea match, which only a fool would miss.
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone thinking of getting a Motorola Zoom instead of an Ipad?
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I wish you could see my work fridge right now
nothing in it but 2 bottles of water and a zinger
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
Sorry for eating your zinger.
I try to avoid looking at my mother in the tits, regardless of the situation.
Ipad
owners seem to love them. Think they would be a boon in senior homes, where the ability for the touch screen on your lap is much better then a keyboard.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
i have one
its just alright
"The stripper pole is not that sturdy.. like no fat girls can go on it, but it would be pretty funny." - Vinny
kids in class use them instead of lugging their laptop around. Which is actually good since laptops apparently don’t travel so well, and professors more and more are relying on pdf’s in their syllabi
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I’m saving up for the second iPad. The plethora of things it can do is awesome, and I am pumped.
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
if you want to read, get a Kindle or a Nook
if you want a smartphone, get a smartphone
case solved
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
If you need them to view notes or something fine, but is anyone going to want to actually use the touch screen to TAKE notes?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
If they had a stylus feature I would be so on board.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
…must…not…get…more…Apple…products….
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
You’d still have less than me if it makes you feel better.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
iphone, macbook pro, and then ipad.
What do you have?
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
iphone, ipad, macbook, ipod nano, and a touch since I still have my old phone.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I have my old phone too, but no separate iPod because I gave that to Anthony.
Things of mine that Anthony has without compensating me: a phone, an ipod, a car, and soon to be a laptop.
This just in, I actually look like a doormat.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
G Scott
is going to get stuff
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
How well would that even work?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I got me a Kindle this week
and I’m loving it. The screen is wicked sweet.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I got the wifi version
I don’t need to be browsing the internets on it that much, and the 3g was like 50 bucks more. I had a hard time justifying the price as it was.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I would not use that as my main
connection to the net, the good thing about 3G (if you pop the extra money for it) is that if you have to get a book right now, you can.
Otherwise for most people, wireless is enough.
If I didn't have smart phone I would consider trying to use it for light web surfing
just having access to wikipedia everywhere would be awesome on it.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
They’re pretty awesome. Having a screen you can use two hands on lets you do way more cool stuff.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
It’s really nice when you’re traveling.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
So is a netbook
and those cost 200 bucks less.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Yep, and they are good for some and not for others
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on Feb 3, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
It also has a much smaller and less readable thing. I can carry Altoids in my pocket too, but they still aren’t as good as a big bottle of mouthwash.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
How much is it?
Also, its Xoom, not Zoom
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
and you don’t get wings with your dijorno, you get wyngz
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
i always thought it was clever packing pizza and wings together, but not wyngz
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
zoom zoom
not a fan of
xoom xoom
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
The nurse practitioner LIED TO ME
“Don’t worry, this won’t make your arm sore.”
My arm is sore. Also, the idea of needles freaks me out but for whatever reason, the shot itself wasn’t that terrible. At least it was better than when they try and draw blood from my finger — that usually involves a fight against the pricker thing and my finger, and my finger puts up a hell of a fight. My mom had to leave the room once.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
I think the past year or so of giving blood regularly
pretty much did away when any fears of needles. I don’t like the big red cross bandage I get but I am fast healer so I am usually able to take that off by the time I am ready to leave.
I’m OK with needles, but I don’t like watching the blood just stream out. That bugs the shit out of me.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I just read and don't even look at my arm
last time it took only 6 minutes for me to give the blood.
47 more comments to go
until NPUT – I think the Super Bowl BBQ thoughts is going to put us over the top.
Eric raised the bar to 800
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
I got that covered, my friend.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
what if your life was a reality TV show? you could make your exes and suitors play Guts type games to win your affection.
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Pro volleyball player would win, hands down.
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Until the mental challenges at least.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
He’s pretty smart, speaks a few languages, but his grammar and spelling is atrocious
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Sooooo why didn’t this work?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
yeah you gotta have a mental round, to balance things out.
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of which, I like watch Fear Factor re-runs. It’s fucking disgusting, sure, but Joe Rogan is perversely entertaining as host.
You know what dog food tastes like? It tastes just like it smells. Delicious!
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
That's impossible Rhonda,
how can you sleep, when you’re high on crack? Hmm? Chinese riddle for ya!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t carjack you Rhonda
I'm just a guy with a boomerang. I didn't ask for all this flying and magic.
Long before Fear Factor
I saw Chris Elliot eat dog food as part of a sketch on Letterman. Can’t find that on youtube though.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Classic. He and Bud Melman would have owned in the internet age.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
here we go
Hollywood’s take on why Superheros are being played by actors from other countries.
answer, more beefcake overseas.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
but they’re not using them.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
foreigners test better right now. We’re bored of looking at ourselves. But these things always swing back eventually, as I learned playing The Movies on PC
by Josie Becker on Feb 3, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think maybe they are perceived to be better trained actors, as opposed to the bad actor model types that appear in many of your CW shows, like Gossip Girl, 90210, etc.
I for one am fine with CW’s casting choices. I have a mute button :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
that actually
is what it is.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
2 is a trend?
You still have GL, Iron Man, Spiderman(Garfield was born in USA), the hulk, thor so on and so forth that are not foreign.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
oops
Well thor isn’t even american in the comics anyways. More Viking.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
More Viking god
who knows how they talk, I’ve never seen one IRL.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Ryan Reynolds
Canadian
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
No denying that
Van Wilder is a good looking individual.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
The last Spider-man made Eric Foreman look like a credible villain. Beefcake isn’t the issue there.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
lol
that’s awesome. But yeah, like I said, most feel the foreigners are just better actors.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Did he really though?
Was anything about venom in that movie credible?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
it was a credible
mess
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 3, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
It could have been worse though
It could have had Arnold playing Mr Freeze /twitch
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
A self fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Apparently one of the bets you can make on the Super Bowl
is who the winning coach will thank first. His family, his team, his coaching staff, God, etc. Or “won’t thank anyone” is an option. I wouldn’t bet on that last one. God might be a good bet though I don’t know how religious either coach is.
I think I’ll stay away from that one.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I would put money on Brett Favre
that counts as betting on God too right?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
On thanking Brett Favre
or on him un-retiring?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Both!
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Hee
I ended up placing a couple of small wagers on total points scored (picking two different ones to bet on) and on the Packers to win. Only one of the bets would have a decent size payoff but I won’t stand to lose much if they don’t pan out.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
5 for 75 million
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an hour. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
We did a quick interview with Trayvon Robinson. Mostly not about baseball per se but some of you guys might find it interesting: http://www.lataco.com/taco/my-favorite-taco-trayvon-robinson-interview
Nice interview
I like how you went with the clubbing question and his answer was good. Was this via phone?
Great stuff
this really needs to be a fanshot.
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Depends
I’ll go 20 – 1 if the bet is no more then $10
and if the following are not on the DL at the end of spring
Huff, Ishikawa, Burrell, Torres, Ross, Rowand, Schierholtz
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
The odds that Huff or an outfielder is hurt at the end of Spring?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Feb 3, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/2/3/1967355/dodgers-prospect-countdown-40-31
"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "
Upton's fall
It’s easy to figure out why Upton had a down year… who was he dating? I kid, I kid. The real reason for his statistical decline was my using a 3rd round pick on him in Fantasy Baseball.
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