Billingsley, Dodgers Head To Phoenix To Face Old Friend
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:33 AM PST
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Chad Billingsley is set to make his third start of the spring today, as the Dodgers head to Phoenix to face the Oakland A's. Billingsley pitched three innings in his first start this spring, and went 3 2/3 innings in his last outing. Expect him to get stretched out a bit today, much like Clayton Kershaw was yesterday. The A's have a split squad facing the Dodgers, as Oakland is also facing the Brewers.
Old friend Andy LaRoche is starting at shortstop today for the A's, and is doing his best to make their club as a utility man of sorts. Remember, take these early spring numbers with a grain of salt, but LaRoche is hitting .409/.536/.955 with three home runs. Today is his 13th Cactus League game, and will be his third at shortstop, to go with four games at first base, four games at third base, and two games at second base.
Lineups
| Dodgers | Athletics | |||
| RF | Gwynn | CF | Crisp | |
| LF | Gibbons | 2B | Ellis | |
| DH | Ethier | DH | Matsui | |
| CF | Kemp | LF | Willingham | |
| 1B | Gimenez | 1B | Carter | |
| 2B | Miles | SS | LaRoche | |
| 3B | DeJesus | C | Powell | |
| C | Ellis | RF | Miller | |
| SS | Sellers | 3B | Tolleson | |
Following Billingsley on the hill today for the Dodgers are Blake Hawksworth, Kenley Jansen, and Javy Guerra.
Gio Gonzalez will start for Oakland today. Other A's hurlers slated to pitch are Jerry Blevins, Fernando Cabrera, Willie Eyre, and Brad Ziegler.
Notes
- The Dodgers made their second cut of the spring, optioning Luis Vasquez to minor league camp today. There are 57 players that remain in camp (27 pitchers, 30 position players). Expect that number to decrease soon, but likely after this weekend, as the Dodgers have four games in two days.
- Speaking of this weekend, the Dodgers will play the Cubs in Las Vegas on Sunday. Rubby De La Rosa will make the start for the Dodgers, and starters Rod Barajas, James Loney, Rafael Furcal, Jay Gibbons, and Matt Kemp are expected to make the trip as well.
- Juan Castro is not with the team today, but that's because his wife gave birth to their second child on Thursday night. Castro is expected back at Camelback Ranch on Saturday.
- Old friend Takashi Saito, unable to reach his parents in Japan, has left Brewers' camp in an effort to reach them, per Adam McCalvy of MLB.com. The devastating earthquake and subsequent tsunami hit Saito's hometown of Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture. UPDATE: All of Saito's family has been accounted for, per Andrew Gruman of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.
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Game Time: 12:05 p.m. PST
TV: none; no local radio either; A's audio broadcast is available online
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Seriously, I love that.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I believe the shutter speed is above 1/250, which still didn’t make Chad’s right arm sharp… That’s awesome
by Julio Nievas on Mar 11, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Sunday on TV
1pm – Dodgers vs Cubs in Vegas on Prime Ticket, WGN (for out of area folks)
4pm – Dodgers vs. White Sox at CBR on Prime Ticket (tape delayed)
7pm – USC vs. UCLA at Dodger Stadium on Prime Ticket (tape delayed)
Also, Sunday is the first day of daylight savings time, so games will start at 1pm instead of noon.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
That is good news
I was thinking that it might be pretty hard for him to get to his city as the airport apparently was heavily damaged.
If they move, Kill em
that is awesoke
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Any info on who is pitching at home for Sunday vs CWS?
I admire your optimism, but this is over. RLB 2/5/11
by BetterDeadThanRed on Mar 11, 2011 11:38 AM PST reply actions
Dodgers have two games Saturday
And these are the scheduled relievers tomorrow:
Huber, Mahay, Troncoso, Colon, Villarreal, Schlichting
Unless they want them on a back-to-back, it won’t be one of that group.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Javy Guerra reassigned today? Well I guess players can still participate in these games so it doesn't matter.
Hope he’s better than terrible!
/low expectations
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Er, didn't mean that as a question since you answer it in the post above ;-)
was just wondering how that worked as far as games… but i guess that’s answered by him still being listed today
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optioning Luis Vasquez to minor league camp today
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I was a little mad
because I was all excited to do another sidebar strike-through (my equivalent to your picture deletion), but then I remembered that Vasquez was on the 40-man.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I would rather see Elbert fill in for Garland then Redding
I know its unlikely, and probably not a good idea, but I would rather see them try to stretch him out if he keeps pitching good. Then again he wouldn’t be needed for very long so it would probably be a waste?
Realistic best case scenario for him seems to be he pitches great out of the bullpen in the majors this year and they stretch him out in the offseason going into 2012 to start.
These hands will always be rough
I think the Elbert as starter ship has sailed
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather see Elbert pitch in the majors, and that ain’t happening anytime soon as a starter.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
right
which is what I was trying to say in my realistic best case scenario. I don’t think his chances of ever starting for the big league club are truly gone, if he pitches well out of the bullpen I can see them thinking of giving him another shot as a starter.
These hands will always be rough
Scott Elbert will never start another game for the Dodgers.
/Timmermann’d
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
He never started one to begin with. Poor bastard. Stupid extra innings game.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Man, I had that game in 2009 against the Rockies in my head as an Elbert start for some reason. J-Mac started it.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Tron’s 4 inning save? Yup, that was JMac, your winning pitcher.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
No
This game; Dodgers blew out Rockies 14-2 (to start 10-3), but J-Mac only lasted 4 1/3 innings.
Elbert hit a double.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of J-Mac
Possible oblique injury today with Pittsburgh. Headed for medical tests.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
True or False: Bob’s famous pronouncement is only funny and remembered because it is Bob who made it: that is, someone smart, learned, and steeped in baseball history.
I mean, if I’d said the same thing, it would have been forgotten in nanoseconds.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
It is remembered
because Kuo has been an absolute badass.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I will be nagging the shit out of you when the Dodgers win 90+ games this year.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I honestly, and seriously, hope that happens. I root for that to happen.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Question
How will you be grading the answer?
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know, but if you’re the CIA, I have some information on Saddam Hussein I’d like to share with you.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Porn or stripping. I am going to continue to believe this to be the case regardless of what you say the answer is.
I think I know and I think it has something to do with a dropping a deuce
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I got it! He’s the guy who left the turd in Dusty’s spot in the Reds dugout!
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
the first ever
cheater in baseball :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
you should post that picture
of him swinging at the ball in the other batter’s box. Oh man……
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Damn Lost It
Here it is in graph form
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Just a black square, the other lines are off the graph.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
If you were to graph pitches hit by Manny Sanguillen or Vlad Guererro, it would look about the same.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Sanguillen’s would go all the way down to ground level…
by wonderphenom on Mar 11, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Typed “Jeff Francouer swing” into Google.
Search for “pitch fx tool” and you can get started with stuff like this.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
and Pedro Cerrano says
thanks a lot asshole
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta say I'm amazed
that a Google image search still has the baseball player dominating the porn.
Woe to you if you drop the last 's' though
I imagine.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Lets just say
that particular search would be NSFW.
First batter, Crisp: Billingsley starts 0-2, next two are outside, then Crisp lines the 2-2 to center
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
Ellis: ball 1, swinging strike, in the dirt, check swing no swing, outside corner strike… then a balk (no pitch, Crisp goes to second)… foul, ball four.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Matsui GIDP. Crisp to third. Missed the count.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
not trying to make light of the tsunami situation
but i wish i could go down to the coast to take some pictures. does the coast in SoCal look any different? are there swells and tide pushes right now?
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
*big swells and tide pushes.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Central California got hit kinda hard, not much down here.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I live in the Monterey Bay area – Santa Cruz harbor had some damage, too.
by wonderphenom on Mar 11, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
My hunch
you either see nothing real different or in the case of Crescent City, devastation. I don’t think you see the Poseidon Adventure out there.
by bhsportsguy on Mar 11, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
A’s announcer says the earthquake “obviously made major news today.”
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
Did he announce that April 3rd game
Mariners at Athletics will be a fundraiser for earthquake victims.
by bhsportsguy on Mar 11, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Have not heard that, but may have missed it.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oh noes Bills gave up a run!
DFA him!
He’s sweating too much!
(But seriously, nice DP it sounds like, and Sellers fielding well… From what I can tell from A’s webcast.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Gritty Gamers vs. Smooth Athletes
discuss
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Totally. They actually have remarkably similar careers.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Do you want someone who plays everyday
or someone that might play 2 times a week
by bhsportsguy on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know which one is which.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Figgins is going to play everyday isn't he
Rowand is probably not
by bhsportsguy on Mar 11, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, this year. I was talking about who had the better career.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
He hit it miles
in the air above the infield.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
De Jesus fucks with the Dodgers’ chances to score: GIDP.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Should have bunted
Donnie Baseball sucks
by bhsportsguy on Mar 11, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I do really wonder if the day will come if people
will just get fed up with college football
Add 4 more names to Auburn’s arrested roster
what i don't get
is why guys who are having 100 k plus free education’s feel the need to ROB with a gun? what the hell are you thinking? they are probably living in better conditions than a lot of other people in the country.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
What 100K
are you talking about illegal benefits.
by bhsportsguy on Mar 11, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
the tuition
that is waived for them with their scholarship and the free room and board that comes with that.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
They still have no money for anything else
and very little time for real jobs. You can’t just pluck someone out of a gang and put him in a business suit and expect him to suddenly change.
These hands will always be rough
i get that where they came from leaves a mark.
but it just seems like a shame that they are given a great chance to succeed for a life time. my older sister dated a third string USC lineman 15 years ago and that guy was hooked up for life in the busines community. all anybody wanted to do was give that guy jobs.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
If he was a lineman
he was probably a lot smarter then most other football players
These hands will always be rough
maybe they need to come up with
classes that explain the consequences of armed roberry for new recruits.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
all recruits regardless of color
should be required.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
to attend.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Was this a serous suggestion? The class about the consequences of robbery?
Final Exam:
True or False: Robbery is wrong.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Final exam
Who many years will you get for simple assault
Assault and Battery
Assault with a deadly weapon
yeah sorta.
i mean some of these recruits can probably barely spell their names, so i would guess they don’t comprehend basic human principles.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
mostly i feel sad for these guys.
given a great opportunity at getting ahead at life and now probably headed for prison for the next 10 years.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking from Auburn
Good riddance. This crap never happened under Tuberville.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Mar 11, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Sellers grounds to short.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Gwynn gets a hit.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
For some reason, writing Gwynn’s profile is the most boring thing I’ve ever done on TBLA.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Mar 11, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I LOL’d at the famous relative comment.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Having a meercat behind you for the trust fall is something other than boring.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
While I have done trust falls, I've actually never gone to
one of those work-related, team-building offsites. They tried to get me to go to one in the late 90s, but when I they shoved the medical release waiver in front of me with phrase like “serious injury” and “potentially life-threatening” I said, “I’m a goddamn software engineer. I don’t get hazard pay. My medical risk should be limited to carpal-tunnel and eye fatigue. GFY,” and never went. I got rewarded for bringing that project in on time and on schedule, rescued from the clutches of the clueless previous lead.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
i liked it.
it was cool knowing he got his first hit off of brian wilson. the write up made me appreciate his potential for late game defensive prowess.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
what i mean is
when the dodgers are up by two in the ninth, it will be nice to know he can run down a game tying double.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
And bounce it three times on the throw into second :)
I kid, I read the part about the arm getting better.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
It was a lot easier to carry such a specialist when the bullpen was five guys, not seven. With managers loathe to use up their backup catcher, that leaves 4 guys on the bench, and if you use one up in the “LH PH, LOOGY, RH PH” or it’s counterpart, The Lindsey, there ain’t much left. It’s hard to have a no-hit OF on the squad, when you are likely to already have a no-hit IF too.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
yeah i hear you.
just trying to think of the positive moment when i say “i am glad they are carrying this fairly useless player.”
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Got it
And yes, we’ll be happy to see him enter the OF late in the game because 1) he’s an excellent defensive OF and 2) it means the Dodgers are winning.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Thanks
That was the part I enjoyed writing. I struggled forever to come up with any sort of title.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Just waiting for a pitch he can drive.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
De Jesus makes a nice play, takes it to the bag. Still first and second, now one out.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Bases loaded. Fourth walk by Billingsley to go with three hits.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
2-RBI double for Carter.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, no. E-5.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
…sometimes…
/Stipe
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Sure. Just reporting the news.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bloop single for the guy who was traded for Manny. Willingham comes in. Carter to third.
Now a ball that hangs up but falls between Sellers and De Jesus, lands foul. Come on guys.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
In case it wasn’t clear, La Roche’s ball hung up for Gibbons. He let it fall in front of him. Sounds like it would have required a good play, but a good play was possible.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Billingsley says fuck this shit: strike em out throw em out DP.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Billingsley’s line thus far:
3 4 4 4 4 1 0
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Meaningless bad shit.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers go down quickly and quietly in the top of the fourth.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
he is just working on his changeup is my guess.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
i don't really know shit about coaching players
but if i was the manager for a hot second, i would tell an established starter like Chadders to go out and throw nothing but his worst pitch all spring to develop it into a great pitch.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
or better yet
a gyroball
(just kidding delias man)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Catching up on some old comments that I missed in my absence
And this one just made me literally laugh out loud:
Sellers looks TINY. For as much crap as Dee Gordon gets for being skinny, I’m surprised Sellers has any energy left to play the infield after scaling the stairs just to get out of the dugout.Maybe that’s an old baseball joke, but I’d never heard it before.
by G.Scott on Mar 8, 2011 8:55 AM PST
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
and you should have ported it to your fan post, which, by the way, you could have easily milked for more than one. Park reviews, players part one, players part two, bar activity recap, oh, wait, you did hold one of those back.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I’m surprised I got the one out. I really just wanted to inform people and give my opinion of topics since it was informed and first-hand knowledge. I’m glad people enjoyed the read but I wasn’t looking for anything out of it.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
Sounds like the kinda play that will automatically disqualify Sellers from making team as utility
easy pop up catch, nonchalant try, drops it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And then Sellers might have sealed it fwiw
with a home run.
wasn’t that his 2nd of ST? The A’s announcer said 1st but I believe that’s wrong. A’s announcer is very nonchalant and disinterested about anything Dodger related.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Er, correction, meant Miles
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
we're all on pins and needles
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Sellers drop, Miles HR, you mean?
For some reason, I am now remember some old SNL where Eddie Murphy walks onto a porn set and says his name is Miles. Miles Long.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
haha
and yeah. Sellers vs Miles, if that’s even a competition, the last inning doesn’t bode well for Sellers (Not that they just look at one inning).
So how is Miles’ defense anyway? I get mixed reports and have seen mixed things about it this spring.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Meanwhile Sellers gets a base hit
It’s back on, bitches!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
i like
Velvet Jones
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Ive always heard that Uncle Miltie required a two-hand technique.
If that was Tommy instead of Leo, I imagine the dialog being “50 years in baseball and that’s the biggest cock I’ve ever seen.”
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It’s the pictures that got small!
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
or The Byrds.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
well
i hear it is the word
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
The sunrise video's
of the devastation is mind boggling for a mind who has seen alot.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
live stream at cnn.com.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
NFL Labor: Even if negotiations break down there is a chance that FA could be reimplemented as early as mid April
These hands will always be rough
Aww
The final game at least could be a great game, whoever it involves… LBSU, UCSB and CSUN are all fun to watch.
Suck it up man, this ain’t Bleacher Report!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Uhh... I call bias there ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I do think Sellers is far more versatile than the other candidates
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Mar 11, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
but is he gritty, man?
IS HE GRITTY?!?!?!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I would rather just have Mitchel
would Miles or Sellers really outhit Mitchel?
These hands will always be rough
He can play 2nd
We would still have 3 players who can handle short in Carol Uribe and Furcal.
These hands will always be rough
I mean, I would rather have Mitchell than Castro or Miles, but I don’t ever want him playing 2B
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not even necessary. You already have 3 guys who can play the middle infield positions in Uribe, Furcal and Carroll. And injury to any of them, and you can bring up a minor leaguer. You don’t need a 4th option sitting on the bench.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing he’s continued to bulk up during that time. I have a hard time picturing him at 2b at the major league level.
fair enough
we still would have 3 middle infielders, and if some major catastrophe happened and 2 got injured at the same time he might be able to fill in at 2nd for a few innings till they can call someone up. I would just much rather have the guy that sucks with upside(even if its small), then the guys that suck and have no upside.
These hands will always be rough
plus
even if Mitchell really is so bad we end up pining for one of those other 3… I have a hard time believing they will be otherwise occupied.
These hands will always be rough
I heard Gimenez has been working out at 2nd base
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Mitchell has yet to impress me though
What am I missing about him? Not that the other options would be of much excitement either…
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heh heh
put him up with the other candidates and we could get that chain of evolution picture, with Sellers on the left.
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Might be able to hit dingers against lefties maybe.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
He isn't Castro/Miles/Sellers
and could possibly be better? None of those 3 are going to hit anyways.
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“The numbers will speak for themselves,” Gibbons said. "If I go out there and hit .100, they can very easily get rid of me and people will say, ‘I told you so.’
Signed,
Jay Gibbons, .063
In fairness, he told us so.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
It would be awesome if he signed baseballs that way
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Gibbons just swung and missed on a beach ball.
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Andy LaRoche
looks like scruffy dirtbag veteran in his Gameday pic. Crazy that he has 1000 ABs already.
Its not hard to get at bats when you suck
as long as you play for the pirates
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he used to be so pretty
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Mar 11, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
The best around
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
NFL Labor: No bueno
looks like the players union is going to decertify and take it to court.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/18/1942788/nfl-lockout-roger-goodell-nflpa
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down for this
I want to see no season next year just to watch america collectively shit its pants..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Mar 11, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
it would free up my sunday's in the fall.
more productive actions would be taken in my life, possibly.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
The A’s announcer is impressed. Over both fences, he says.
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
did matthew knock one out?
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
BISON BLAST™
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Matthew Ryan Kemp put a charge into one.
FTFY
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Enjoy seeing his full name fleshed out.
We should do the same thing with Gerald Sands. It sounds so…stuffy and pompous.
sounds like a barrister.
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by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
not nearly as much
as Gerald Dempsey Posey III
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
hi, my name is buster.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
You mess with the bison
you’re gonna get the horns
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
dont' fuck with the bison on catalina island.
they will knock your little mini mini van around.
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by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
That's why they call him The
→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→
oh, wait.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The guy who doesn't know the difference between a cutter and a slider is in.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
No. Closser.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
He never did marry
Or go and feed the ducks
I graded his performance
I told him that he sucks
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Give him his paper so he’s free.
Oh, lord, we have spent way too much time on this song for a bunch of dudes.
The sensitive nice-guy I-like-Indigo-Girls act has gotten guys plenty of tail for generations.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
So far:
Foul out
Strike out
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Fly out. Three up, three down for the dutch rudder.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
He throw any offspeed pitches? Flyouts from a fastball pitcher aren’t necessarily a good thing. Means he was leaving the ball up. Who were the three batters he faced? I hate work.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
No idea on what he was throwing.
The batters were Landon Powell, Jai Miller, and Steve Tolleson.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
So he could be ready to start by April 12. At least go 5 innings and make it a bullpen game.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
is it possible
he could be back by the time we need #5?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Too easy, that one.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
You might think it’s too easy, but it required patience, hard work, intelligence, and timing. I must respectfully disagree.
In other words, no way.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
No, it's Trayvon.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Sands is in RF
and makes the 3rd out put out
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The Curacao Kid is in there now.
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How many solo home runs for the over/under this year?
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
violated first rule of over/under
a lot.5
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'll take the under
a lot is always less than alot.5, no matter how many a lot is.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Blue Jays had 147 last year so minus Jose Bautista and a DH….105?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Kirk Gibson's wife = stereotypical Dodger fan
She left Game 1 of the 1988 World Series early.
Per Kirk himself, to air on Monday night on MLB Network:
I called her down to the clubhouse door and said, ‘You know, I’m not gonna play tonight, why don’t you just go home.’ So she had exited the ballpark, and here I am.
i just have a feeling
one for Verducci or Costas is gonna say that.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
one of*
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Hey SW, want to meet at Yardhouse at 4 to watch the first half of the Clipper game?
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
That’s crunch time? Its a Friday.
Okay, nevermind then….
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm writing my baseball midterm
And I had to stop myself from writing about the PVL of Jim Edmonds. Oh wait, no, that’s a lie, I wrote about the proven veteran grittiness of Edmonds. And giggled. Fuck you, Buzz Bissinger.
Who's Dioner Navarro?
But Jim Edmonds is good :(
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nah I love Jim Edmonds (and Scott Rolen, but that love has been stated). It’s just fun to write like this because this paper is stupid. I’ve written 5 pages and answered half of one question. OWEIVHWOEIFHWE
Who's Dioner Navarro?
Thats completely reasonable if the question was “how hard did Jim Edmonds own?”
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
the answer is
so. very. hard.
tell me, if Pujols was drafted in 1999 but was in regular spring training by 2001, then he must have been doing pretty well, right?
Who's Dioner Navarro?
Tore up A and high A ball in 2000: .314/.378/.543 46 bb, 47 K in a pitchers park.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s just interesting because Bissinger paints him like he came out of nowhere – which he might have – but I don’t think that they would have just been like, “Invite this Pu-jols scrub to camp, his name delights and confuses me!”
Who's Dioner Navarro?
I don’t know where – but I recently read an interesting story about the scout for Tampa that really wanted to sign him but the Devil Rays didn’t listen to him
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
He kind of avoided hype (he was the #42 prospect) since the base numbers were really good, but not super human. Still, he was young for his league, played in a pitchers park, and only struck out once every 10 at bats.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I remember reading something that said once you translate league difficulty and park factors, Pujols’ 2000 was more impressive than Brandon Woods year where he hit like 50 home runs. There wasn’t enough respect given to league factors back then which lead to things like hyping Karim Garcia through the roof.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
maybe even historically good
like he should be mentioned forever more
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
When he was with the California Angels, I coveted him for the Dodgers.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Edmunds always fascinated me because of the 30 career home runs in 1788 minor league at bats and then hit 38 in his first 950 major league at bats
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We’d see more of our guys getting power surges in the bigs if they weren’t playing on wiffle ball fields in AAA.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
yeah fuck that noise.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Dave Stewart, on hitting Steve Sax in the first inning of Game 1
I told Saxy I was going to do that the day before. He says, ‘I’m gonna take you deep,’ I said, ‘I’m gonna hit you in your neck.’
I thought
he said that to Mickey Hatcher?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
he says it to all the girls, and the boys dressed like girls
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Mar 11, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Javy Guerra’s battles continue.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Guerra comes in, Underdog returns to work
It’s one of the givens of life at this point!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
We’re sitting
We’re sitting and watching Guerra play baseball
We’re watching pitchers who cannot pitch baseballs pitch baseballs
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a combo. He was awful but he also didn’t get any help. File it under M for Meaningless Bad Shit and we’ll see what happens next time.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
KILL THE WITCH! HE HAS DONE SOMETHING WITH SILVERWIDOW
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, you’re at LMU? YOU ARE JUST STEPS AWAY FROM DINAH’S FRIED CHICKEN. GO NOW.
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
all wings?
legs and thighs are how i like my friend chicken. more bars need to offer friend chicken on their menu. i mostly eat at bars and so i mostly don’t get fried chicken when i want it. chicken strips just don’t cut it.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not a big fried chicken guy, but Dinah’s is pretty darn good. We would always get all wings. I’m sure the rest is good too.
all wings is preferred by lots of people.
i like a wing, but as a changeup from leg and thighs.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I am a breast man, myself.
Also, I like fried chicken.
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i like legs
on all species. eating kind or uh, nevermind.
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
yes.
i hate eating alone.
does the guy from the show “the ultimate bachelor” eat at bars only? is there a show called the “ultimate bachelor?”
i am not an obnoxious asshole in person. i think.
by Ian Capilouto on Mar 11, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure I understand all the Dinah’s love. The fried chicken there is fine, but unspectacular. I like Aunt Kizzy’s Back Porch much better.
Oooh, there is a lot to like about Aunt Kizzy’s.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I just moved half mile away from it. Time to get heart disease.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Not a bad area.
You up for a lunch with GScott, Humma, me, whoever (delias man?), maybe week after next?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Week of the 21st? Sure I can probably do it.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Sellers dropped an utterly routine pop up earlier
not good…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Sounds like we’re not sold on Sellers.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
I was
over castro. But in a vacuum not that impressed (mostly because in this scenario i am in a vacuum and more concerned with air than with Sellers :D)
Nah. I mean, sure, paramecium can field the position, but they can’t hit a lick.
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
as far as I can tell
they played on the same team in 2009 and 2010, and mitchell had better numbers both times
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=mitche001rus
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=seller002jus
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no wait I can't read
mitchell was better in 2010, sellers was better in 2009
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Why isn't anyone talking about the real reason Sellers shouldn't be on the team?
That awful awful neck tattoo? He looks like a bad parent got their kid a really inappropriate gift for their middle school culmination.
Middle school culmination was really inappropriate for me, too, but not because of a neck tattoo. :(
Who's Dioner Navarro?
I see
This is a Cali thing I am guessing? Never got anything special for 8th grade other than going on to highschool
Gaaaaaaahhhh...uerra...
Muy terrible.
/back to work
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Guerra’s losing the battle and the war.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely nothin’ fillin’ out a minor league roster!
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, Andy's had very good spring trainings before...
not exactly a sign he’ll be an all-star this year though I agree I would rather have had him back competing for a utility spot than the scrubs we have doing that now…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I blame Russell Mitchell.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
That was funny
1) Jim Joyce (yes, Mr. Imperfect) made a call at second saying Eugenio Velez stayed on the bag at 2B as he stretched (crowd reaction indicated otherwise, but who knows?)
2) The A’s announcer said: “Velez made the stretch, not that there is a lot of Eugenio Velez to stretch out.”
Strange to think that was 2010’s most memorable moment. Close 2nd would be Halladay’s no-no I suppose.
Halladay was perfect, not just a no-no, right?
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
OT: That is quite an in-depth Big West semi finals preview there ;)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Google news will index it if it’s 150 words or more. :)
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Kuroda and the Tsunami
ESPN has an essentially useless article on Kuroda and how his brother occasionally travels to the north of Japan for business. But it is nice that they checked with the translator about his family was affected. Score one for vaguely compassionate journalism.
Its official
Union decertification is not faker then wrestling
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/11/union-applies-for-decertification
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I feel like it’s time for me to start paying attention to this.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Well
its going to go to court, and… I actually don’t know how it gets resolved from here.
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Too busy to do this justice but....
injunction Junction, what’s your function?
busting up owners and making old men sweat
Injunction Junction, how’s that function?
No more union might mean no more lockout
Injunction Junction, watch that function.
Joe public like Nolander will think you look bad
Injunction Junction, what’s your function?
A decent resolution for players who die too young
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Personally I think the NFLPA comes out looking worse today
then the owners did. Owners were really trying to compromise, NFLPA not so much.
These hands will always be rough
I think they have to do this after years of getting shat on by the owners.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
possibly
I just hate the public posturing. We tried sooooo hard to get a deal do. No, no you didn’t. You wanted to take it to court and only took the extension so the owners couldn’t make you look bad.
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Since I know nothing about football, I haven’t paid any attention to this at all. Do any of you have a link to a primer about what this is about and why this is a good strategy? Why would the players give up their collective bargaining rights? Seems weird.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Once they give up collective bargaining they can file an injunction against the owners for monopolistic practices and stop the lockout
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Got that. But then, if they can’t bargain collectively, how can they make a deal on behalf of all of the players?
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
That seems weird. Again, I don’t understand, so I’m sure I’m getting things wrong here, but help me out:
1. Union decertifies
2. Owners lock em out
3. “Trade Association” sues — and let’s say they get the injunction
If I’m the owners, my next step is to put in place all of the conditions that have been kicking around — 18 games, etc, etc. Wouldn’t that suck if you’re a player? The lawsuit could go on years.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
The flip side is that the owners and league can impose whatever work conditions they please.
It will work for the players if they have the wherewithal to stick with this long term. That could mean current players essentially sacrificing a year or two of their prime so that future generations of players can benefit. That’s a tough sell.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Does union decertification also mean that players can’t strike?
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by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
It was the players next logical move to show the owners how committed they are
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
How can one stop a lockout?
Can’t the owners just not pay them?
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
by this
I assume that you’ve seen the actual negotiations that took place prior to the extension and have had several members of the NFLPA admit to you that they were able to manipulate everything so that this one outcome would be possible?
Who's Dioner Navarro?
Both sides have been pretty open about their demands
Its not like they have been keeping everything hush hush. The NFPA made the financial disclosures their make or break point, even though there was no way in hell the owners where going to release this information.
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That is one way to look at it – the other is that they were getting railroaded and thought unless they took this step they would never get the deal that they will get after they take this step
Careful when you side with Billionaires in a sport where players last for less than 3 years. You have players now killing themselves, the latest donated his brain to science and pulled the trigger straight into his heart
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not siding with either side
I’m just saying that I personally think the extension was a sham. They never expected to get a deal done, they did it to make themselves look better when they took the owners to court. I think both sides suck in this dispute.
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Update: the sun is still hot and Generalissimo Franco is still dead.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
y’know what else is hot? warm apple pie…if it’s been warmed for too long. Think about that
by Josie Becker on Mar 11, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
One of the more important things Unions try to negotiate
is Job security, albeit in the NBA and MLB, guaranteed contracts. The NFL has no such creature. As part of the payoff for not having such a creature, the players are more likely to not think about the long term health of the league and only the short term.
The owners, basically want a system where they don’t have to worry about media money, marketing, and other revenue streams but are also unwilling to share local revenues. And before they put money into this pool where the pct. would be set for salaries, they want to take some off the top. Well, the players want transparency to see what makes up the pot before agreeing to that.
Also, remember this, ultimately, the Courts do not find for owners or leagues in antitrust cases.
Finally, I did hear one report where one reason the owners don’t want to turn over everything, they don’t want it leaked how their money is spent (e.g., no McCourt issues).
Yes there are no guaranteed contracts in football
but its not like they don’t get guaranteed money, and in fact the amount of guaranteed money tends to be the biggest part of football contracts. What did Bradford get? 50 million guaranteed? You summed it up pretty good though.
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Isn’t that a very small percent of the union population? Sure the top 1% of the players get guaranteed money that sets them for life, but the overwhelming majority has to fight for this issue.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well a random mid 3rd round pick gets
This is a random 3rd rounders contract Signed a four-year, $3,423,500 contract. The deal contains $1.6335 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014.
Part of this issue would have been partially resolved by the rumored agreement that they had for rookie contracts. First round picks would have a cap on guaranteed money, but would still make a bunch. After I believe the 2nd round all contracts would only be 3 years, so players would be able to hit the market earlier, plus with less money going to unproven rookie first round busts, those who have proved themselves in the first 3 years of their deal would be able to go out and get paid.
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for as popular as the nfl
seems to me the nfl players have the worst cba out of all of them.. they get murdered on the field and dont have a ton to show for it.. if jayson werth can make a billion dollars these guys should have the opportunity to as well
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Mar 11, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t begrudge football players a dime of what they make
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't the high salaries in baseball a function of
a) smaller rosters – ie 100 players vs 40
b) no salary cap so the redskins and cowboys don’t just sign everyone
These hands will always be rough
thats probably true
but at least baseball contracts are guaranteed..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Mar 11, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
The lack of a salary cap in baseball really doesn’t matter to anyone except the top 25-50 guys. The median player should at least make as much as a median guy in baseball, but the MLB leads that by 400 thousand.
After non guaranteed contract, the NFL really needs to raise the minimum salary, since careers are so short and damaging.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
and funny you thought the owners were trying to compromise
1> Owners wanted more money; players were happy with current money
2> Owners wanted more games, players were happy with current games
3> Owners wanted a rookie scale, players agreed to rookie scale
4> Owners didn’t want to pay for medical for retired players, players seeing football players dieing tried to get for NFL players what baseball has had for years and years
If the owners appear to be compromising then it is because they have been asking for everythign
Also the owners, preparing to shat on the players, structured TV contracts to pay them during a lockout and tried to get full anti-trust exemption from the supreme court – two ballsy pig ass moves – they failed on both, but props for evil genius in trying
so fuck the owners
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Also the owners, preparing to shat on the players, structured TV contracts to pay them during a lockout and tried to get full anti-trust exemption from the supreme court
Once that plan failed they made much more effort in my opinion to avoid the lockout. Look there is no good guy in this, but the players imho wanted to decertify and sue, and all the “negotiating” they did over the last week and a half was a sham.
Saying the players agreeing to a rookie scale is only in the owners interest is also not really correct. If anything it benefits veteran players who have actually proven themselves, and simply takes money away from unproven future busts.
These hands will always be rough
Exactly. It takes money away from non-current union members for the benefit of current union members. Getting them to agree to a rookie scale was an easy call.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
right
you can’t tell me vets are happy seeing guys like JaMarcus Russel getting paid 30 million guaranteed.
These hands will always be rough
Nobody at the table protects the rookies. The same thing happened in the NBA: when they said kids couldn’t sign out of high school, it protected the jobs of some current union members.
The NFL proposals suck for rookies. They cover the first four years, which is longer than the average NFL career. Most of the new crop of players will never see free agency.
The reason the average NFL career is less then 4 years
is because most picks after the 3rd round don’t stick because they aren’t good.
These hands will always be rough
such a non-issue – the issue is how much of the pie to the owners keep. The players were happy with the way the pie was cut, the owners not. The owners cried poor, the players said prove it, the owners said we can’t
Why? because NFL owners are so rich they make Frank and Jaime look like you and me
In a battle of billionaires with no physical risk and a long runway of ownership versus millionaires with a short career and high degree of physical risk…I take the little guys
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
If it was a non-issue, you shouldn’t have put it in your bullet points showing the way the owners are wrong. You did, so we responded to it.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
You’re right, it is a big issue just pales in comparison to the other issues
also I laugh at things like wage scale – I hate the notion of successful business people that can’t figure out what they should pay people
I am hiring sales people right not, nothing is slotting them for me.
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Except a rookie pay scale doesn't necessarilly put money in the owners pockets
the whole point is to shift the money from the first 10 picks in the draft to the best vet FAs, which is much more in line with how baseball works.
These hands will always be rough
1> Owners wanted more money; players were happy with current money
2> Owners wanted more games, players were happy with current games
3> Owners wanted a rookie scale, players agreed to rookie scale
4> Owners didn’t want to pay for medical for retired players, players seeing football players dieing tried to get for NFL players what baseball has had for years and years
Here’s my question: so the players can now sue to look at the books. Fair enough. In the meantime, what is to stop the owners from unilaterally imposing their points of view on all of these points? They can now unilaterally set work conditions, right?
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
If Doty granted injunctive relief, he could likely rule that the league’s last work rules were still applicable, or he could simply allow the NFL to institute a set of rules of its choosing.
emphasis mine.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
the courts will likely uphold the same working conditions of the prior year
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
People are interpreting this comment as me saying the owners are in the right
thats not what I meant. Not having access to the financial data that both sides do, I’m going to compromise and say they are both wrong. What I was saying was that from a PR standpoint the owners looked much better today. I can’t tell you if taking it to court is the right move or wrong move, I just know it sucks.
These hands will always be rough
From where the two sides where Wednsday of last week
the owners seemed to have moved to the middle far more then the players did.
These hands will always be rough
After moving the goalposts across the field.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Which is why I'm not saying they where in the right
what I am saying is there was some level of progress going on and the players chose to cut off negotiations. Right or wrong its going to make them look bad.
These hands will always be rough
So the key to being a good guy is to take an extreme position and then back off it and seem like you are conceeding in the hopes of making a deal
When people try to negoitiate like that with me, and some do, they get a great big GFY
by Hollywood Joe on Mar 11, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
That assumes that, last Wednesday, both sides were equally far from a fair solution.
If the owners were 1000 miles from reasonable, and the players were a foot, then “the middle” is still way over on the owners’ side.
None of us really know whats reasonable
because we don’t have access to the financials. Either way progress was SEEMINGLY being made, and the players chose to walk away, which LOOKS bad.
These hands will always be rough
Don't believe me?
Go around to a few football blogs. So far the reaction I’m seeing from the average poster is negative towards the NFLPA.
These hands will always be rough
Oh so eloquent
“They have chosen to choose another strategy, and that is their choice,” NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said.
“I choose my choice”
I won’t say where that quote is from, as to not embarass myself.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
On this subject I recommend reading this new blog post from a sharp football writer
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/one-take-on-decertification
for what seems a fair gut reaction to the decertification news.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
People who follow the NFL
believe that all of this means nothing until mini-camps are missed in May after the draft. Some believe you only need an 8 game season.
The NFL is so much bigger than it was the last time this happened, it affects a lot more than players and owners if the season does not get paid.
It is estimated that each fantasy football player spends $150 a year on that game ($800M is the estimates for revenue from fantasy football).
I think a lot of sports bars basically live off September through Super Bowl Sunday.
From a non economic standpoint
its huge if there is no FA before the draft.
These hands will always be rough
I have to admit
I am not knowledgeable about what deadlines mean what in the NFL, FA, automatic salary kickers, mini-camp bonuses, it’s all foreign to me.
Also, the dragging out of 1st Round pick signings seems ridiculous for both parties.
Well usually the have FA before the draft
which allows teams to plug holes in FA. Not knowing what players they will/have signed in FA going into the draft makes it harder to fill all their holes.
These hands will always be rough
it gets more confusing!
Doty could force FA to open at midnight
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/11/source-free-agency-could-start-at-midnight/
These hands will always be rough
Clippers live is showing Blake summer of 2009 touring LA, he just hit Dodger Stadium, put on number 32, and was dicking around with Kemp. I’m sure this has been mentioned before, just the first time I saw it. He was dunking on the Venice Basketball courts.
The Celtic / Clipper Game Wednesday Night is still remarkable in how they won without BG doing much.
We want mo MO.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Let’s get this one tonight. Can’t have a letdown after winning in Boston.
by Michael White on Mar 11, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Funny that Ralph called Mo and assassin because they 1st game we saw him play, I told Verdell that he looked liked assassin. He’s got those dead eyes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
dang
even for me that sentence is fucked up. Better start drinking
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I was just thinking that!
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
If he makes it in the NBA, I’d like him to be teammates with Kevin Love.
Beach Boys trivia: the only big hit Al Jardine sang the lead vocal on was “Help Me, Rhonda”
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Nice
since the sounds blend, you can say “Little Deuce Scoop”. Say it every time he hits a short shot.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
We should record our car ride to AZ
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t want that. My AC blew in Palm Springs once, on my way back to Tucson in July. Had to drive with windows down the whole way. Not the most fun thing i have ever done.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
E: “I want to hear Journey”
D: “No fuckin’ way – Elvis Costello” - wait
this doesn’t hold up anymore; the passenger would just listen to his iPod.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllison……
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 7:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Holy shit
The force of Japan’s quake was so strong it sped up the Earth’s rotation by 1.6 microseconds, NASA says: http://apne.ws/gHXbi8 -EF
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Wooow
your boy scoop just drained a game tying 3 with 4.6 left.
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Maybe LA won't be w/out a top-5 starter for too long
From the LAT’s Jim Peltz:
Speaking of Garland, starter Chad Billingsley recalled that he suffered the same injury — a strained oblique muscle in his torso — in his rookie year in 2006 and was out 26 days.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The first date the Dodgers need a 5th starter is 4/12, more than four weeks after Garland’s injury. Of course a 31-year old Jon Garland may take longer to heal than a 21-year old Chad Billingsley.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It isn't.
But then again I’m 10 yrs older.
Hm I do wonder if hurting the opposite side from his pitching arm matters at all? I imagine if it hurts it hurts, and pitching is affected regardless.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Jim Peltz
One of the nicer people on the planet.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 7:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thought you were going to mention Padilla
Already played long toss, bullpen scheduled soon.
by Taylor Maricle on Mar 11, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Mat Latos
Looks like shit so far this spring
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Mar 11, 2011 6:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The football owners are only guilty of incredible greed, but I didn’t expect that football players
would either understand this or stand up for themselves. Imagine them banging helmeted heads like mountain sheep and expecting their bosses to provide medical care.Really….
They might not understand, but they’re totally capable of handing out some beatdowns on old men.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Nice first half k3vbro
Trojans have their work cut out for them
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 7:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They are doing a fantastic job limiting Williams inside but AZ is showing alot more offensively than they did @ Galen. Lots more movement.
On the other side, Stepheson and Vucevic need to assert themselves, Az is crazy weak inside. They had one nice possession where they got it down to Vucevic and he waited for the double, then dropped it to Stepheson. They need to do that much more often.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I fear USC’s 6-man rotation could hurt them in the second half. I do wish they would go inside more.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 7:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think so too. USC isn’t built for a conference tourney grind.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve seen one BYU game this year and I think I spent 90% of it making Jimmer jokes.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
he is SO good. He really should be PotY hands down.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Very true, but on the other hand he has to be named Jimmer and isn’t allowed to have sex.
That does solve the problem of him being unable to pick up women though. Since “hey, I’m Jimmer” might be the worst pickup line of all time.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Mar 11, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
“Hey, I’m Jimmer and i will sign a 5-10 million dollar contract next year.”
that might work.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Jimmer is a dumb name, though
Every time I hear his name I think it should be “Rimjob.” Rimjob Fredette.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
This cracked me up
Then again I am hammered and about to karaoke the shit out of the high desert.
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 9:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Clink!
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
by Humma Kavula on Mar 11, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe *I* should've gone to BYU
I couldn’t really get laid in college either.
Hey-Ohhhh!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
(But what an unbelievable game/performance by Jimmer, wow.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Another amazing earthquake fact
from the USGS, as reported by the Vancouver Sun
Earth’s axis has reportedly shifted ten inches as a result of the quake, and Japan’s coast is said to have permanently shifted 2.4 metres.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The one that blew me away was this one
Tsunami waves that hit California earlier today washed three onlookers out to sea. Two have been recovered.
Just to wrap my head around the fact that someone has likely died as a result of an earthquake that happened 10,000 miles away.
In Ventura, the tide sucked out before the tsunami, and six or seven people walked out on the now dry sand to look at it. Fortunately, the tsunami in ventura was about 6". Nobody was hurt, but why would anybody do that? Hasn’t everybody seen the people that were killed in the Indian ocean tsunami? People are stupid.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Eric. . . .
Bear Down Arizona
Bear Down Red and Blue
Bear Down Arizona
Hit ‘em hard
Let ’em know who’s who
Bear Down Arizona
Bear Down Red and Blue
Go! Go! Wildcats go!
Arizona Bear Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVreLW_519M
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You earned that one
Well played good sir
by Eric Stephen on Mar 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
USC should be in
I’ll be rooting for you on Sunday.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I will not stand this Arizona aggression, earned or not
On our rugged Eastern foothills
Stands our symbol clear and bold
Big C means to fight and strive and win
For blue and gold
Golden Bear is ever watching
Day by day he prowls
And when he hears the tread
Of lowly Stanford red
Well then you can hear him growl
by Josie Becker on Mar 11, 2011 8:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
and furthermore
Our sturdy golden bear
is watching from the skies
looks down upon, our colors fair
and guards us from his layer
our banner gold and blue
the symbol on it to
means Fight for California
For California through and through
by Josie Becker on Mar 11, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Twenty-Seven and Six.
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by Ghost_of_K3vo on Mar 11, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
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