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Cub Preview - Dar Bar Edition

First preview series repeat, normally I would not bother but I found out some info on Dar Bar and Pena,  and I couldn't wait to write about the home run tendency's of the first two pitchers we will face. When we last faced this staff a mere 10 days ago, the Dodgers torched the pitching staff for 27 runs in only three games. The Dodgers have scored more then seven runs only twice and both those games were against the Cubs.

Season Series: Dodgers 2 - 1
Manager:  Mike Quade (12-15) Lifetime (36-28)

No longer are the Cubs doing the great lose one, win one dance, as they have gone 2  - 4 since we last saw them.

 

Key Additions:  Carlos Pena, Darwin Barney, Reed Johnson, Matt Garza, Casey Coleman, Kerry Wood

Key Subtractions: Tom Gorzelanny, Carlos Silva

Position Breakdown:

1st Base- Carlos Pena is still not hitting, has one extra base hit in 81 plate appearances. He might be the only 1st baseman who can make James Loney look good in comparison. Fangrapsh takes a look as his dismal start to see if they can find any clues.

Pena falls into the category of a three-outcome hitter. So far, two of the outcomes are there. Pena’s 15.6% walk rate is consistent with what we’ve seen from him over the past few seasons. His 36.5% strikeout rate is a bit elevated, but striking out one-third of the time is not uncommon for him; zero home runs, however, and one extra-base hit is not only different, but rather scary. In fact, if you go back to the final two months of 2010, Pena has just five home runs in his last 237 plate appearances.

2nd BaseDarwin Barney is now firmly entrenched as the Cub 2nd baseman and is doing a solid job. Heck at this point more then a solid job with an OPS at .809. Rotowire's Bernie Pleskoff highlighted Darwin last week.

Barney is a 5-foot-10, 188-pound grandson of a Korean grandfather and a Japanese grandmother. His nickname is Dar Bar. He plays the game in a manner similar to Boston's Dustin Pedroia. Although he doesn't have Pedoria's bat, he comes to each game with high intensity and a desire to win. He was so intent on improving his chances to make the big league club that he spent the offseason in Arizona working closely with the Cubs hitting guru, Rudy Jaramillo. Barney worked on his pitch recognition, while shortening his stroke and overall mechanics under Jaramillo's guidance. During the winter Barney added 18 pounds of muscle to his frame.

 

Shortstop- I love Starlin Castro; the 21 year old prodigy is a good reason to watch the Cubs. He had a four hit game against us last week and continues to be one of the better offensive shortstops in the NL, however in 2011 he's been an error machine with seven so far.

3rd Base- Aramis Ramirez is healthy and doing his normal good work. At 33 he might never see a full season OPS of .900 again but he should still be an above average offensive 3rd baseman for them this year.

Catcher- The 2008 ROY Geovany Soto had a big bounce back season in 2010 and didn't seem to get much attention. He's struggling so far in 2011and Cub fans have to hope he's not going to start doing that odd/even crap.

Left Field -Alfonso Soriano has a joke of a contract but he is hitting home runs again, knocking out ten so far in the young season.  At 35 years old Soriano has hit 324 career home runs. With 54 Million still to run on his contract after the 2011 season, Cub fans have to hope he's got a lot more left in him.

Right Field- Kosuke Fukudome and Tyler Colvin split time here. Fukudome is off to his typical fast start, hitting .375 but with only two XBH.  Colvin was the 13th player picked in the 2006 1st round and came up last year to quickly became a fan favorite by pounding 20 home runs in only 394 plate appearances. However in 2011 Tyler Colvin has been a huge bust, with a .532 OPS in 58 PA's.

Center Field- Marlon Byrd evolved from one of the better platoon center fielders into a solid all around full time center fielder. A little more power against LHP is the only thing differentiating his splits. One of the better bargains in baseball, he is signed through 2012. In 2011 Marlon is struggling big time. In his last 16 games, his TSL is .227/239/.273. Yikes

Bench: Should be familiar to Dodger fans as it is riddled with old friends. We have Blake Dewitt chewing up splinters as his bat was not deemed good enough to offset his below average defensive skills at 2nd base. Reed Johnson fills in around the outfield and pinch hits. Koyie Hill is still their backup catcher. Moving on from ex-Dodgers we have Jeff Baker who can handle 2nd/3rd/1st and this is it. Might even see Baker start at 1st base for the struggling Pena.

Starting Pitching for our Series:

Game 1:James Russell appears to be a lousy pitcher. His team is 0 - 3 in his starts, his pitching TSL is 8.31/8.75/4.73. The big left hander has given up six home runs in only thirteen innings.  That can't keep up can it? Warm night in Dodger Stadium might just be what the Doctor ordered for the Dodger bats.

Game 2: Ryan Dempster has been a mainstay of the Cub rotation for a few years now but he's getting rocked in 2011. His ERA is a mind boggling 9.58 due to the nine home runs in 31innings. Have these guys been pitching to Babe Ruth?

Game 3: Carlos Zambrano is more fun to watch hit then pitch. He now has hit 22 career home runs. Pitching wise he still is a force but he's never been as good a pitcher as his rep. Don't get me wrong he's good but that walk rate has kept him from being great. According to FanGraphs he's only hitting 89 on his fastball but he's got five different pitches he uses, and he uses all of them.

Bullpen: Carlos Marmol is the closer and is the true three outcome pitcher. Last year Marmol struck out 138 in 77 innings while walking 52. Clearly hitters have trouble making contact against him. Not as exciting but just as effective is Sean Marshall. The 6'7 lefty came into his own last year and is now the main setup man for Marmol. This year Marshall has been even better with one walk so far this year with 12 K's in 12 innings. The big name in the bullpen is Kerry Wood but he's a far cry from the Kerry Wood who showed up here in 1998 and wowed the baseball world as a hard throwing 21 year old.  He's ditched his nasty slider for a cutter; the velocity of the fastball is still intact, but he still has control problems.  Filling out the bullpen Jeffrey Alan Samardzija,  Marcos Mateo, Jeff Stevens, and lefty John Grabow.

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I didn’t realize Soriano had 10 homers.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

No kidding

When I read that I did a double take. Seems like a glitch in the Matrix

"Champions last year," he said. "Not this year." - Rubby De La Rosa after shaming the Giants in ST

by EephusBlue on May 2, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Truth be told, neither did I. Leads MLB, hit four in three games last week, shutout yesterday.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of the greater lines ever

.258/.277/.608

Dave Kingman has a boner looking at that line.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

hah wtf

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Averaging over two bases a hit. Fantastic.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

What does Barajas average?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

1.94

.393 SLG (33 TB)
.202 AVG (17 hits)

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go big or go squat behind home plate.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go big or go squat behind home plate.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost two.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

14 players with 75 PA and TB >= 2x hits

including 4 Yankees. Sheesh.

Rk Player SLG TB H PA Year Age Tm Lg G AB R 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP OPS Pos
1 Jose Bautista .762 64 30 115 2011 30 TOR AL 25 84 25 5 1 9 16 30 1 16 1 0 0 0 4 0 .357 .530 1.292 *9
2 Curtis Granderson .640 57 25 98 2011 30 NYY AL 25 89 16 4 2 8 18 7 0 24 0 1 1 1 2 0 .281 .330 .970 *8
3 Alfonso Soriano .608 59 25 101 2011 35 CHC NL 26 97 16 4 0 10 20 3 1 24 0 0 1 6 0 0 .258 .277 .885 *7
4 Troy Tulowitzki .602 59 29 114 2011 26 COL NL 26 98 16 7 1 7 17 15 5 9 0 0 1 4 2 1 .296 .386 .988 *6
5 Ben Zobrist .587 61 27 114 2011 30 TBR AL 28 104 20 9 2 7 25 9 0 23 0 0 1 2 5 0 .260 .316 .902 *4/9
6 Alex Rodriguez .575 42 20 90 2011 35 NYY AL 21 73 16 7 0 5 18 14 0 14 1 0 2 5 0 1 .274 .389 .964 *5/D
7 Mark Teixeira .570 49 22 106 2011 31 NYY AL 24 86 17 6 0 7 17 16 0 22 3 0 1 3 0 0 .256 .387 .957 *3
8 Mike Aviles .539 41 19 83 2011 30 KCR AL 20 76 10 5 1 5 21 3 0 13 1 1 2 0 6 1 .250 .280 .820 *5/46D
9 J. P. Arencibia .536 37 18 75 2011 25 TOR AL 18 69 6 3 2 4 9 6 1 19 0 0 0 2 0 0 .261 .320 .856 *2/D
10 Chris Young .518 58 26 121 2011 27 ARI NL 27 112 20 7 2 7 21 7 0 25 0 0 2 1 1 1 .232 .273 .791 *8
11 Kevin Youkilis .487 38 17 102 2011 32 BOS AL 25 78 15 6 0 5 15 21 0 26 2 0 1 3 0 0 .218 .392 .879 *5/D
12 Jonny Gomes .440 37 16 108 2011 30 CIN NL 26 84 17 3 0 6 17 20 0 27 2 0 2 0 5 1 .190 .352 .792 *7
13 Chris Iannetta .421 24 10 77 2011 28 COL NL 20 57 10 3 1 3 10 18 0 23 2 0 0 0 1 0 .175 .390 .811 *2
14 Jorge Posada .387 29 10 85 2011 39 NYY AL 22 75 9 1 0 6 12 9 1 20 1 0 0 3 0 0 .133 .235 .622 *D

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Generated 5/2/2011.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

No wonder Barajas is making the big bucks, he hits like Posada

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently this is only greater than 2

Because Mark Reynolds is doing Mark Reynolds things, and is right at 2 TB per hit.

.345 SLG (30 TB)
.172 BA (15 hits)

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

close

24 total bases, 13 hits.

Next hit as a homer will do it.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

CWS is my pick as the first team to completely implode this year. could get ugly. Er.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and he might lose his job, too.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno. Right now the AL Central looks topsy-turvy to me:

Cleveland
KC
Detroit
CWS
Minnesota

How long can that last?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Strangely, this might be the most interesting division in baseball.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude

Mysteries are gonna win it all

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on May 2, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The White Sox should eventually figure things out, but the Twins are really bad without Mauer and Morneau and the Tigers lineup goes Will Rhymes/Ramon Santiago/Don Kelly.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

did they have a worse start last year?

or this year?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on May 2, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does TB include walks?

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

In 2011 Marlon is struggling big time. In his last 16 games, his TSL is .227/239/.273. Yikes

How long ago was it that Byrd went nuts on the league? Two seasons ago? Three?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

made the All-Star team last year

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did Omar Infante

"Champions last year," he said. "Not this year." - Rubby De La Rosa after shaming the Giants in ST

by EephusBlue on May 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Save that—that might come in handy later. (Might be better than Evan Meek—sorry, Eric)

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t think he ever went nuts, but he’s been a very consistent player for a while now.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Had three good years in a row with Texas, peaking at 20 homers in 2009. Many thought the Cubs were buying high when they signed him, but he was pretty good for them.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last year his OPS was still over 900 in the middle of June. That qualifies for me.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's no Marlon... Anderson!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We got this one

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Sure, if he’s got some potatoes. It’ll be delicious.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

oooh

with garlic and butter.

"Champions last year," he said. "Not this year." - Rubby De La Rosa after shaming the Giants in ST

by EephusBlue on May 2, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe some chives?

"The Dodgers are such a .500 team that if there was a way to split a three-game series, they'd find it." - Vin Scully

by Maddz on May 2, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Loney can make us some of those Red Hawk twice-baked potatoes we were talking about a few months ago. Mmmmm.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

ooooh yum

"Champions last year," he said. "Not this year." - Rubby De La Rosa after shaming the Giants in ST

by EephusBlue on May 2, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else having homemade tamales, beans and salsa for lunch? Because I am. :-)

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on May 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Loney make them?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did not

But if he did, it would probably be the most productive thing he’d do all day.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on May 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless I’m mistaken — shh! nobody search the archives! — I have laid off of Loney until today. Maybe all he needs is Humma suggesting that he should be a chef instead of a first baseman.

If the dish that Chef Loney serves up is, instead, crow, I would be happy to eat that.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

the way Loney's been mashing it'll be more like half-baked.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nicely done. To save the day indeed.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, maybe a backeotomy would do Loney some good.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he'd be more likely to smoke the ball.

[“You have smoked yourself retarded.”]

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Abba Zabba, you my only friend

"The Dodgers are such a .500 team that if there was a way to split a three-game series, they'd find it." - Vin Scully

by Maddz on May 2, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm getting banned

Half-Baked was a terrible, terrible movie.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

Jim Breuer was highly overrated.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get ye to a bag of funions good sir.

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t smoke. Funjuns serve no purpose to my world.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m fairly certain funions are delicious no matter what state of sobriety

"The Dodgers are such a .500 team that if there was a way to split a three-game series, they'd find it." - Vin Scully

by Maddz on May 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Factual statement of fact

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re too close to the situation.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

At no point should a bag of Funions be opened, let alone consumed by a human being.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither fun nor onion.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

popcorn: tasty, but not tasty enough for me to want to spend all that time flossing afterwards.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Eric, about this “me getting TBLA” thing if I break up with GScott…

"The Dodgers are such a .500 team that if there was a way to split a three-game series, they'd find it." - Vin Scully

by Maddz on May 2, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll have the paperwork ready by the weekend!

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t smoke either, but damn I like funions from time to time.

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I laughed my ass off in this movie.

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s rewatchably bad IMO.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's really not bannable to say that ;-)

it’s a bad movie (though I will say that Dave Chappelle does get off a few hilarious lines in it).

Can’t imagine there was a time when people thought Jim Breuer was funny.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to like his goatboy thing, but that’s all I remember.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey! remember the 80’s? I sure do. It got old real fast.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but everybody got laid in the 80s…………………………….

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry I missed you the other day. There were a bajillion people kickballing and I didn’t see anyone in a Dodgers hat.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

True that, I was the one that got the shout out for being late walking up.

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re terrible

"The Dodgers are such a .500 team that if there was a way to split a three-game series, they'd find it." - Vin Scully

by Maddz on May 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has funny bits

but its a poorly made movie

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am fascinated by Rod Barajas

He really is what as advertised. Doesn’t get on base much but occasionally will smack one into the cheap seats.

"Champions last year," he said. "Not this year." - Rubby De La Rosa after shaming the Giants in ST

by EephusBlue on May 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Thrown out 5 of 23 attempted stealers for 22% rate. Is it fair to call him about average defensively? Slightly below?

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I for one would welcome a higher CS rate.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He really is what as advertised

Wow apparently I cannot write this morning.Caffeine please

"Champions last year," he said. "Not this year." - Rubby De La Rosa after shaming the Giants in ST

by EephusBlue on May 2, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Per baseball hq

Andre Ethier enters the series sporting the league’s longest hitting streak (27 games). Aside from an 0-for-4 day in the season’s second game, Ethier has hit safely in every contest this season. He has a career .294/.345/.422 line in 102 at bats against the Cubs.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Matchup Notes: Joe Saunders draws a tough assignment in the series’ opening game. The Rockies have the top two players in the NL in OPS versus LHP this season, Troy Tulowitzki (1.523) and Chris Iannetta (1.500). If there’s any hope for Saunders and the rest of the Arizona starters this series, it’s that the Rockies are batting a league-low .194 over the last week. Additionally, the Diamondbacks have scored the most runs in the NL over the past week despite hitting just .236 as a team.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

2013 Free Agent OF

This could be an amazing class:

Hamilton
Kemp
Ethier
Sizemore
BJ Upton
Victorino
Quentin

Some monster deals in that group (Kemp & Hamilton for sure, Sizemore & Ethier likely). Hunter and Ichiro will also be FA, but they’re either not leaving or won’t get more than a year or two.

by silverwidow on May 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s felt like BJ Upton has been two years away from free agency for the last four years.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hamilton – no thanks
Kemp – okay but your going to RF
Dre – I hope you enjoy Arizona
Sizemore – I hope you enjoy the DL
Upton – I would like your shitty attitude in CF, only if you come cheap
Victorino – youre a dick
Quentin – I wouldn’t sign him for than 2 years

Welcome to Thameswood / You'll be the first to go, unless you think

by NotJoeTorre on May 2, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, as far as Dre goes, the Yankees and BoSox both train in Florida, so I assume that limits their appeal. I wouldn’t be surprised with the Cubs or White Sox, though.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dbacks spend even more time in AZ…

But ultimately I’m sure if there is bigger money to be made in NY or BOS, ‘Dre won’t hesitate to take it. It will likely be his one shot at a monster deal.

by LA Taco on May 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dre strikes me as a guy that will go to the highest bidder.

by silverwidow on May 2, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t he already have Boras as his agent if that was the case?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still has time to change. Just sayin that he doesn’t seem loyal (stuff he says about L.A. is likely just lip service).

by silverwidow on May 2, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but it is not like Jared Weaver who the Angels already know is gone.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

I think we have a better shot at signing Kemp (Stewart precedent).

by silverwidow on May 2, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

To early in the contract talks to bring in the heavy artillery.

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Andre wants to win, I don’t think he’d do a Werthian deal for the highest money unless it is simply way more then anyone else. I also think he’d be wary of going to the AL and becoming a DH. JMO

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree with your opinion sir.

by delias man on May 2, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think he’d take more money to play on a last place team then with the Phillies?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

they all do. anyways u want to go tonight?

by delias man on May 2, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, assuming the difference between highest bidder and next highest is a signficant amount of money, there are very few people who wouldn’t take the highest offer. It has nothing to do with loyalty, and everything to do with maximizing your earning potential during your limited window when you can earn money.

by LA Taco on May 2, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would hope that if we can have only one of those guys, that it would be Kemp. If we let Dre walk, I’d be on board with Victorino + (IF costing $Ethier – $Shane).

Also, it is inevitable that Shane will be a Dodger at some point in his post-prime. EY and Goodwin came back; the Whinin’ Hawaiian will too.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

All roads lead home.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully by 2013 Dodgers will have new ownership in place. :-/

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by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Although what are you implying by this? New ownership wouldn’t let Dre walk? I don’t think there is any reason to believe that would be the case. I’d expect any ownership group to look from the perspective that they need quality hitters. Keep Ethier as one option, or replace him with others who can provide similar production.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Presumably new ownership will either (a) be more financially stable; or (b) want to make a big splash with their new team.

Lots of assumptions there, but I tend to agree.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does keeping a player count as a big splash, or do you need to bring in a shiny new toy?

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would count extending a current player as a splash.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it has to be something that screams “We’re here to win, and we’re here to stay”. Unless the deal is something that makes people notice, it’d just be maintaining status kuo. I think if extending someone is your big splash, you need to give Kershaw or Kemp some 8 year deal.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. And Kemp and Kershaw are more likely options for said splash IMO.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

or do you need to bring in a shiny shitty new toy

by Grimjack on May 2, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes that is what I was assuming/implying

Even slightly more financially stable will have me feeling like at least they could sign one expensive (but worthy!) free agent… as well as (to reply to G) keeping a great player, too.

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by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grady Sizemore has only been hurt once in his career, granted it was a big hurt but I don’t see how he can be labeled with a DL tag like Josh Hamilton. If over the next few years he can stay healthy then he would probably be the best FA outfielder of 2013. Interesting how most of them are centerfielders with only Dre / Quentin being corners.

I do expect Andre and Kemp to sign extensions and come off that list.

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by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Having never learned from my mistakes, I have drafted Sizemore way too many times. He is frequently hurt and/or awful. He almost makes JD Drew look durable.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

have you only drafted him

since 2009?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on May 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on May 2, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

he has however

had surgery for 3 different things since then

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has

surgical versatility.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

A five surgical tool player.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on May 2, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I had him in 2009 and 2010. I also had him in 2007(?) when he went through some brutal streaks. His final numbers looked fine, but at times, it was brutal.

Looking over the numbers now, I realize how good his OBPs were, but that doesn’t help my fantasy team! If he is healthy, he would certainly be helpful to his real-life team.

But 2010 was just dreadful.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weren’t 2009 and 2010 different things?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Elbow and Hernia

then knee

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Signing baseball players is hard

I probably would’ve been in favor of adding Carlos Pena on a one-year deal.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

In a related story

Carlos Peña, in town with the Cubs, is 3 for his last 31, and hitting .167/.300/.182. He and Mike Quade talked recently and decided that Peña would play through the slump, according to one Jon Heyman.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I wouldn’t have minded Pena either, and frankly wouldn’t mind him in 2012 on a one-year deal either.

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially at the discounted rate he is earning.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

It’s really hard… so much so that very few people seem to have really distinguished themselves in that field!

by LA Taco on May 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other notable one-year deals handed out this offseason (Pena got $10 mil) :

Berkman—$8mil
Damon—$5.25mil
D. Lee—$8mil
Maggs—$10mil
Bill Hall—$3.25mil
Tejada—$6.5mil
Manny—$2mil

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny might actually have been the third-best deal on that list.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny right now is the worst deal on that list

but no one saw that coming

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Giants are regretting the Tejada deal.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He retired. They’re not on the hook for his money. DLee has been awful. Magglio has been awful. Tejada has been bad. Bill Hall has stunk too.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh yes

forgot that part

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny’s -0.4 WAR was higher than Hall (-0.9), Ordonez (-0.9), the same as Tejada and just worse than Lee (-0.3).

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, Berkman. You would have been fun to see hit 5th and play 1B for only $2mil more than Loney is making.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed, still curious if he survives the year.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on May 2, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hindsight alert

Lineup would’ve been instantly credible AND made Uribe/Barajas more palatable by extension. Put a Gwynn #8 and that might’ve worked:

Furcal
Blake
Ethier
Kemp
Berkman
Uribe
Barajas
Gwynn

Of course, injuries blow that hypothetical out of the water anyway.

by kinbote on May 2, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’d still look like:
MIles, Carroll, Ethier, Kemp, Berkman, Uribe, Sands, Barajas. Still better, though.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this moment Andy LaRoche would be the third best hitter on the Dodgers.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Back finally healthy?

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

BABIP related fluke.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on May 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the flip side his brother is OPSing .616

by LA Taco on May 2, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

So would Russell Martin. Or, for that matter, Wilson Betemit.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on May 2, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where would I rank?

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by underdog on May 2, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

14th.

below Javier but ahead of Loney.

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

4th

just behind Jazz Hands

by Eric Stephen on May 2, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

w00t!

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by underdog on May 2, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

i lold

No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.

by G.Scott on May 2, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

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