Rubby Tuesday? There's No Time To Lose, I Heard Ned Say
by Eric Stephen on May 24, 2011 12:43 PM PDT
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PrintRemember when we all got excited on Saturday when Rubby De La Rosa was pulled from his start with Double A Chattanooga after just two innings? Then, it turned out it was just a planned shortened start to limit his innings? Well, ratchet up those excitement meters again, as the Dodger bullpen just might add a gem very soon, per Ken Gurnick of MLB.com:
Rubby De La Rosa, the organization's top pitching prospect, is expected to be promoted to the Dodgers this week as a reliever because of the club's bullpen crisis.
De La Rosa was scheduled to make another one of those reduced-innings starts on Thursday, but the Dodgers need him now. Relievers Jonathan Broxton, Hong-Chih Kuo, Vicente Padilla and Blake Hawksworth are on the disabled list, and the Dodgers have no proven closer among their current relievers.
There is obviously concern with bringing up the club's top starting pitching prospect to not start games, especially as it concerns his development going forward. But then again De La Rosa could wind up being an elite reliever. Gurnick brought up Pedro Martinez as an example of a pitcher who pitched out of the bullpen in 1993 then went on (elsewhere) to be a (great) starter, but even thinking more recently Chad Billingsley started the 2007 season pitching out of the bullpen until claiming a rotation spot for good in June.
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Chad would seem to be the correct comp in this case.
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In 23 games
out of the team’s first 68 games, Billingsley pitched 35 innings.
Chad started the rest of the year, 20 starts, 112 innings.
by bhsportsguy on May 24, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Historic
This is gonna be one of the where were you .. . when Rubby made his 1st apperance
by SeanMillerSavior on May 24, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
Nothing like ratcheting up those expectations
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If he was starting we could do an old-school (2009) TBLA contest where we guess the game score.
I think I was roughly 60 points too high on JMac’s first start.
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
If we continue our slide into irrelevancy I wonder how Ned will take not being able to be a buyer at the deadline?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on May 24, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions
We’re in the fucked up position where Ned is fighting to keep his job whenever we inevitably get new ownership, and you can be sure he doesn’t want a new sheriff in town with the team being one of the league’s worst. I can’t see us being anything other than buyers at the deadline.
by Mike Dennis on May 24, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey as long as this means LOLance gets his DFA papers it’s all good. SO if they wait to call him until Friday and Hawksworth comes off the DL that day too, what rosterbation happens? LOLance DFA, who gets sent down? Guerra? Jansen for more seasoning again?
I'll
say this, James Loney is going to have change is birthday to not remain one of my favorite Dodgers.
by bhsportsguy on May 24, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I still want to see the tally
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I generally enjoy reading Keith Law’s chats, he seems like a decent enough dude. But I don’t like people who can’t just admit they screwed up and apologize.
by megaballs on May 24, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
killing it
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Back to last thread for a moment
ichristmas suggested we trade Garland and Loney for Fielder.
Milwaukee would say no to that deal, hang up, then call Ned again to say no again.
They would have to stop laughing long enough first
by Mike Dennis on May 24, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you know that was a joke
My alternate proposal of the time machine to void the lilly contract is more likely
by lchristmas on May 24, 2011 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If nothing else, this season could allow us to see some of our ‘kids’ make the leap. Perhaps Robinson would be next in line if Loney continues to blow?
Also not to be a jinxer but it’s likely that one of our 34+ yo starters will spend some time in the DL and Rubby would get some starts.
Agreed
These things have a tendency to work themselves out.
/rubs hands together.
by Eric Stephen on May 24, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Garland, if he stays healthy, would be a pretty low cost trade option as long as he has no shot of vesting that option and the Dodgers pick up most of his remaining salary (this move could not be done until after July 31st)
by bhsportsguy on May 24, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
No shot?
Garland is at 41 2/3 innings.
If he gets 22 more starts, he would need to average 6.29 IP/start to hit 180 IP
If he gets 23 more starts, he would need to average 6.01 IP/start to hit 180 IP
by Eric Stephen on May 24, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If Sands continues to hit
I think a trayvon callup becomes more likely, with Sands going to 1b for loney, if Loney goes back to struggling.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I like that thought
ETA on Loney being an ex-LAD?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on May 24, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The non-tender deadline for the 2012 season
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
No idea why anyone thinks Trayon would hit more then even a struggling Loney
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I don't think its a given
but if he goes back to hitting under .600 again he gonna be on the pine. I don’t think that is going to happen, but outside of injuries thats pretty much the only way I can see trayvon getting significant playing time
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If Loney stops hitting again and Sands continues to do what he’s done on this road trip then I’d expect Sands or Blake to 1st base against RHP, Gibbons/Thames sharing LF and still no sign whatsoever of Trayvon until at least August.
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I think Blake platooning in LF is more likely then Trayvon coming up
saying something becomes more likely does not in fact mean it is going to happen
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Tray isn’t having a good may
by Julio Nievas on May 24, 2011 12:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dodgers lineup - Ethier is PH extraordinnaire, and nolander gets his wish
Furcal SS
Carroll 2B
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Sands RF
Navarro C
Gibbons LF
Miles 3B
Billingsley P
he has earned it
for the time being
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Loney batting higher… well we gotta take what we can get. Maybe Loney is only batting third because he is from Houston and has friends and family watching him suck this series.
Or he is hitting third because he is better right now then gibbons navarro miles billingsley at the plate
and donnie isn’t putting a rookie at 3rd in the lineup and is scared to death to move kemp out of his “spot”
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
have you not seen his screaming line drive base hits lately
At least that’s how they look in the box score, I’ve heard it said
And to think I laughed when the giants batted freddy sanchez third
by lchristmas on May 24, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
cool beans
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I will do the dance of joy
once Miles retakes his rightful spot on our bench
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on May 24, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a published Pros/Cons list
of this move. I tried the previous thread but too many Zs.
Thanks.
Pro:
He might be better than the current relievers
Cons:
Start clock/possible Super 2
Might get pigeon holed as a reliever
If he fails his trade value plummets
Not meeting his IP limit for the year making the transition to SP next year more challenging.
I’m on the oppose side of the ledger (for him as a reliever) so that’s why I have more cons. Those pro should list theirs.
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Pro:
1. Being on the big league team means he can learn under the tutelage of the great Rick Honeycut.
2. Being on the big league team means he can learn how to handle the pressure of the 9th inning from the likes of Jansen
3. Being on the big league team means no buses, more skirts, more money.
4. Being on the Dodger roster means playing in front of small crowds so less pressure
5. Being on the roster means he will have access to the best trainers in baseball at keeping any injury from lingering more then 4 – 6 weeks
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Number 4 is awesome
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Early speculation on a Kuroda trade, what about Cincinnati?
Kuroda would be contending on a team that could use an ace, and they wear the unis that inspired his own Hiroshima Carp.
Lots of prospects the Dodgers could use, Yonder Alonso at first base, Yasmani Grandal and Devin Mesaraco at C, and Todd Frazier and Juan Francisco at 3rd.
kuroda isn't going anywhere
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No Kuroda trade is ever going to happen
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has no trade, he only wants to pitch for us, I don’t understand it, but it is what it is.
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I thought ya'll thought LA was the greatest place on earth ever
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Nope
it is mostly a shithole
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in the same way New York is mostly a shithole
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But the metropolitan area does have the largest Japanese-American population of any MLB city, by far, according to the 2000 census (haven’t found 2010 numbers).
1 Honolulu, HI 161,7482
2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 148,319
3 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 48,714
4 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 46,469
5 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 32,074
6 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA29,8267
6 Hilo, HI 21,754
8 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 20,260
9 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI 19,215
10 Sacramento—Arden-Arcade—Roseville, CA 16,938
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They must have counted Torrance as part of LA.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
I’d imagine so, since it’s metro area’s listen there not cities
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
HK came back only to pitch for the Dodgers
by Julio Nievas on May 24, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers could always trade Kuroda and then he could resign with the Dodgers. I suppose he might see that as multiple breeches of loyalty though.
The Dodgers could always trade Kuroda
You realize HK has a FULL NO-TRADE CLAUSE, right?
by Julio Nievas on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
um yeah….that just means he wants to have some power in determining what happens to him. He can be traded to a team he likes or a city he is OK with. It does NOT mean that he can not be traded.
It just seems you’re missing the reality aspect of all this, which is that HK is likely not going to go anywhere. I’ll believe it until I read the words on TBLA that HK says, “I would waive my NTC”.
by Julio Nievas on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Others have had full trades and been moved when the price became right, but HK seems to be comfortable here, so just having a FNT does not mean much, but having a player like Brian Giles who does want to leave does change the equation.
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though Kuroda is one of my favorite pitchers and I would love for him to return to the Dodgers, I just don’t think the Dodgers will be strong contenders for a couple years, Kuroda should get a shot at a championship before he returns to Japan.
That last sentence is how LAD could try to sell it to him.
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not 100% that Hiroki would block a trade to a contender. He wanted to stay in LA because he likes it here, his wife and kids are happy here. If we’re talking trade deadline, the amount of time he’d be away from home wouldn’t be a huge difference then how much he’d be on the road anyway. He’s a very competitive athlete and a shot at a US championship might appeal to him depending on where he’d be going.
Fallacy?
Once you go pen, you don’t start again
Since 1970, 410 pitchers have started more then 50 games and relieved more then 50 games. How many of those started out in the bullpen before become rotational fixtures? That will take some digging but I’m going to say more then a bakers dozen
Rubby need only look at his namesake in Colorado, one Jorge Da Le Rosa who made five starts at age 23, then was used exclusively in relief in the following year, eventually turning into a full time starter.
Johan Santana
Dave Stewart
Kelvim Escobar
Alexi Ogando
We’d prefer the Santana and Escobar routes since they did it quickly.
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
you forget
CJ Wilson
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t do it quickly, he was in the bullpen for years.
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was he?
I didn’t pay much attention to the Rangers before
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by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If he doesn’t close sure. If he does then he becomes a proven closer and since we won’t have any proven closers after next year, he Neftalied.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on May 24, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You are using Neftlied like it irritates you when someone uses Moyer.
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If the worst case scenario we find a Feliz, at least we got something.
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Well worst case scenario is Rubby goes to the bullpen and is bad and never returns, but yeah, Feliz isn’t the worst thing in the world.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on May 24, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
1. He could suck as a major league pitcher
2. He could blow out his arm
or
1. Kick ass Pedro like setup man
2. Kick ass Feliz closer
3. Alexi Ogando in 2012
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sadly this doesnt mean cromier will be DFAd
Tronc and Guerra will be optioned since they have them
link was already DFAd earlier this year
so i can see schlitchling with the trouble hes had in AAA
I think all the trouble Cormier has been having in MLB makes a more convincing case for a DFA.
Optioning Guerra and DFA’ing The German as opposed to simply DFAing Cormier seems rediculous (I know it’s not your preference, just saying)
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No i know
but he has seemed to survive to this point and it took forever for them to DFA Ortiz last ear so i wouldnt be suprised
well he is a mop up guy
you can guys to fit that role. I would love to see cromier DFAd im just skeptical of it happening
Just dump Luis Vazquez
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From BP today
Finally, we’ve discussed the Padres’ difficulties at home, but the Dodgers aren’t providing much offense in their own ballpark either. As a team, they are hitting .232/.287/.326 at home with 12 home runs. The power outage is more alarming when you realize that almost all the damage is coming from one person:
Kemp and Company at Dodger Stadium
Kemp: 102 PA 7 HR 14.6 HR per PA
The field: 790 PA 5 HR 158 HR per PA
Matt Kemp
In the past Furcal has shown a strong desire to stay in LA, does that mean he won't be traded?
He has a limited no trade claus and a 2012 12 million dollar club option.
If he can be healthy around the trade deadline there would be suitors though he wouldn’t fetch near what Kuroda would.
Kuroda has a full NTC
And that was a big part of him coming back this year.
I believe it is now a full trade clause
10/5 player
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And by 10/5 player with Raffy you’re referring to every 10 games he plays, he spends 5 on the DL?
:)
by keithc13 on May 24, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'd drop it table
Kuroda’s going nowhere but LA or Japan. Furcal has wanted to stay here, obviously, but we probly wouldn’t be able to trade him if we wanted to based on his salary and injuries.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You probably thought Kuroda would test the free agent market after 2010 and you would have been wrong. I doubt you have gotten any closer to Mr.Kuroda since then, yet you still act as if you know his future plans. In his public comments Kuroda has expressed just as much desire to win a championship as he has express a desire to remain in LA, wash.
Got to disagree with you on Furcal not fetching anything. By the trade deadline he will have 4 mill left on his contract, of which the Dodges could pick up a few Blake/Santana style if needed. A healthy Furcal could provide many a team a boost in the playoff, much as he did for the Dodgers in 08. There is risk there, but playoff contenders figure to be lining up for shortstops. The Red Sox, Rays, Reds, Brewers, and Giants come to mind as possible fits. He would likely be the second best trade option after Jose Reyes.
You probably thought Kuroda would test the free agent market after 2010 and you would have been wrong
It’s okay for you to make assumptions, but no one else.
Also, for the record, he was a free agent and did “test the free agent waters”, and we were all discussing whether he should take the bigger deals elsewhere and also whether he would sign with us or go back to Japan.
Furcal is hurt something like 60% of the time and will make $mil in two months to be a rental. He’s not going anywhere and if he does, it’ll be a salary dump and we’ll get nothing for him.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
After the Dodgers signed Ted Lilly, most Dodger fans expected Kuroda to be a goner. On the free agent market he would get more than what Lilly got, and the Dodgers simply would not be able to afford that. Surprising everyone, Kuroda inked a one year contract at far less his market value. IDK if he actually tested the free agent market, but it would appear not. His contract much more likely was arranged between him and the Dodgers and with little regard to any other team’s input, much less the free market. This sort of thing is very common in Japan, where players rarely switch teams.
The general point is that fans attempted to form a reasonable understanding of what Kuroda might do, and they were dead wrong. I don’t see why they wouldn’t be wrong again. Thus the idea of a trade being possible seems likely to me.
Kuroda likes LA, it is good for his family. He wants to win a championship. He wants to one day return to Japan. If he plans on returning to Japan after 2011, then it would make sense for him to be traded to a contender for the last two months of the season (three counting the playoffs). His family can remain in LA for the remainder of the season, and he can return to Japan afterward. Sure it might be more likely that he will stay in MLB for another year or two, but one day he will want to return to NPB and before that he may want another shot at the playoffs. Because we don’t know when that day will be, I think it would be unwise to rule out a trade.
As for Furcal, IDK what you’re smoking, but most GM’s would only be too happy to take a rental risk on Furcal for 4 mill and a prospect in order to try and get a playoff edge. If the Dodgers throw in say 2 mill and Furcal shows good health, then the situation only becomes more attractive. There is also potential arbitration compensation to consider. All in all it is nothing but idiotic to completely rule out the idea of a Furcal trade
Are the Dodgers really going to ride this roster to a below .500 record without ever going into sell mode??? Ridiculous.
Weren’t you around last year?
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Ned’s not the type of guy who will admit they screwed up and apologize.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on May 24, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
he has done just that actually. He admitted to his past mistakes and expressed his growth as a GM because of them in some interview in the past year.
How does he feel about Keith Law?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on May 24, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I am of the mind that Ned is an idiot, but an idiot capable of learning from some of his mistakes. With that in mind, perhaps he goes into sell mode to acquire some prospects.
The dude is underutilizing what could be one of his greatest strengths. The one time he traded a vet for a prospect, he ended up with Andre Ethier.
Last year we knew he couldn’t sell because Frank needs to sell tickets in Aug/Sept. Not sure if that will be part of the situation in 2011. Ned also knows that why should he care about our future since he probably will not have one. He may simply hang on to the parts hoping for the best.
So many variables involved, not as simple as team sucks, trade veterans for prospects, screw season ticket holders if they wanted to see a competitive team.
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i am feeling like a chump right now for buying my tickets at the regular rate. don’t get me wrong, I still want to go, just not at the rate I am currently paying.
Still on Frank's team!
I am so lazy now
i have not even tried to sell tickets to some games next homestand. Fortunately, I did sell half of them already.
Man, what kind of rubes are buying those tickets? ;-)
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At least some got them at the lower season ticket price
what about the ones who paid full value for single game tickets now.
even though I have 25 ticket package only, I am still
paying almost the same I was 2 years ago for reserved level full season. so I feel the same.
Still on Frank's team!
ha ha
That is how Clipper Season Ticket holder felt when they would give away games.
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I imagine that Ned will remain GM until there is owernership resolution and possibly longer. I doubt he himself is looking at it from the perspective that his time as GM is closing.
Calling up Gordon, Robinson, Dejesus, De La Rosa etc etc as well as any prospects acquired via trade figures to sell more tickets than Furcal, Broxton, Kuroda, Carroll, Blake, etc. I don’t buy that argument at all.
Winning sells tickets, and neither way will the Dodgers be doing that.
It is as simple as team not contending, go into sell mode, trade players headed for free agency.
He’s never done it, he’s not going to start now. JMO
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I doubt there would be anyway to really test it
since I think attendance will be down regardless who plays.
But by the market’s nature winning and stars are the formula to attract fans.
However, I think, new ownership, a big time free agent and winning is what the Dodgers need to start selling tickets (plus probably lowering some tickets and creating more flexible plans).
You do in ArKansas
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Tru dat.
I got me, my brother, and my Dad.
My Dad is always gonna be a fan
My brother has given up hope this year
I carry the FLAG!
I could easily see Furcal being traded in 2011 if he is not on the DL close the deadline and we are out of the race.
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If he’s playing well at that time – we might even get a good prospect or two.
by wonderphenom on May 24, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's see
Furcal is earning $12M this year, and has an option that probably won’t vest. Plus he is owed part of a deferred bonus in 2012.
As stated, he has leverage since he also as 5/10 no-trade rights.
And any deal would also have to pass MLB approval if it involved the Dodgers agreeing to cover his contract/bonus (which would be the only way to get anything back in value).
Unless you can get Furcal to pre-approve some teams he would accept a trade to, I see this having very little chance of happening, though, it could go on through August since it is doubtful he would be claimed on waivers.
Collmenter
weaving his magic again through two scoreless innings so far. Diamondbacks threatening to be contender in the NL West.
Astros lineup
Bourn CF
Barmes SS
Pence RF
Lee LF
Wallace 1B
Johnson 3B
Hall 2B
Quintero C
Happ P
by Eric Stephen on May 24, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Of course they wouldn’t fetch much, but Carroll, Blake, and Barajas would make solid bench pickups for other teams. They should be traded as well, if only to free up playing time for others trying out for the 12 team
Carroll is an interesting thought. Julio Lugo once yielded stud prospects. I still don’t see Ned selling though.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Come on, JtD was still highly ranked when he was dealt. Not like Tampa has made many mistakes in the trade departments, only the ones with us, but in the end Joyce was worth the circular route it took to get him.
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But the reports were not great
at that time and he looked lost the little playing time he had.
In that case, I guess you can say the Dodgers sold high.
Also, the Dodgers ultimately netted Withrow and Atkins (okay sore spot) from that deal.
If anyone knows a circular route to get at something, it’s Joyce.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on May 24, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
Ruggiano was the throw-in in the Hendrickson/Seo-Navarro deal though.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It is best not to judge the outcome of a trade, but rather the decision making process behind it.
Was it a good idea to suck in 05 in order to get Kershaw?
Hell yeah, Depo had Werth/Drew break their wrists on purpose
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just as planned
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by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
JDLR
pulled in 3rd inning today. Is he hurt?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on May 24, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be a long day for the Rockies bullpen as they are in the 3rd inning of a double header and already in their bullpen.
I want to see Tulo pitch.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on May 24, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
should have kept him in the bullpen
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oh I am so surprised
no wait
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New rule
All De La Rosas get pulled after two innings.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If he blew out his arm, he is the only De La Rosa comp that was worth a shit. No sir name has been lousier in baseball then the De La Rosa’s.
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KCAL Again?
Fuck yea!
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
Pitchers out of the bullpen
I don’t understand why DeLaRosa can’t iniitially pitch out of the bullpen, before he becomes a starter. Hershiser, Bob Welch and Bills already mentioned pitched out of the bullpen…any word if the Dodgers are trying to get Okijima.
Okajima cleared waivers
and went to AAA
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by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It was said it would be Rubby
but he would need to be stretched out if he pitches in the pen
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Depends
how long between his last start, right? Could probably do a 70 pitch tag team start without too much trouble. But like I qualified it depends how long he had been in the bullpen.
70 pitches only means he’d get to pitch to 23 hitters….
69 pitches, 23 hitters, 23, 3 pitch strikeouts.
hope this doesnt happen
Feel like Torre was a big fan of spot start yoyo-ing around. Didnt enjoy it then, dont like it much now.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on May 24, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW
Despite its flaws, the Dodgers probably still remain an important piece of MLB’s revenue sharing pool so it is unlikely they would want the Dodgers to just write off the season. This isn’t Montreal.
hahaha
and just where pray tell is this “Montreal”? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Wtf writing off the season. Trading a pitcher and a SS that is constantly hurt is not writing off the gd season!!!
Starting the season with an offense with multiple sub .300 OBP hitters is “writing off the season”.
Replacing Kuroda with Rubby will probably make the team worse. Replacing Furcal with Carroll/Miles will probably make the team worse. Considering they are already 7 back, not improving the team and actively making it worse is pretty much writing off the season.
by Michael White on May 24, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
First off all, my point is there should be no complaining about writing off the season, when it was written off from the start.
If the Dodgers are 10 games under .500 at the deadline the season is already written off. Healthy Furcal or not the Dodgers would likely call up Sellers and Gordon when rosters expand in September to give them a taste of MLB. Does it really matter so much to have that one August month of Furcal? I have not be advicating for anything other than trading these players as we approach the deadline, perhaps you are apposed to trading them immediately which is understandable.
However writing off the season would be a silly description of my scenario.
Not all of us wrote off the season before it started. That may have been your take, but plenty here were optimistic including most of the editors of this blog.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
It's may 24th
That would be idiotic to fully call it quits right now.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I am not calling it quits
However I am not as faithful in this Dodger team as I have been of Dodger teams of the past, if the squad has not vastly improved as the deadline nears, then they MUST be prepared to sell. It hurts the team’s chances of success in the future if they do not.
No...
There weren’t any huge offensive pieces signed, but the pitching was going to be great no matter what, and the starting pitching has. The bullpen encountered more problems than we expected, and that is a big reason why we’re 7 down instead of fighting for 1st place right now. The offense was never going to be good no matter what.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The bullpen is in no way as significant a reason for the Dodgers record as is the inept offense, which was doomed from the start.
Bullpens are unpredictable and subject to matters out of our control.
“The offense was never going to be good no matter what.”
There in lies the problem.
Our bullpen would be fucking LEGIT if we didn’t lose the best closer in the NL over the last several years to a bone spurs, the best setup man in the game to the yips, and what was becoming a very nice bullpen piece to a freak groin pull.
This team is neither bad nor unpredictable, it’s just injury-stricken.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
Bullpens are full of unexpected contributions and failures every year. Part of that might be how small a relief pitcher’s sample size is from year to year.
The bottom line is that bullpens do not have near the impact on a team’s record as the starting rotation and lineup do. Baseball commentators will talk about how bench and bullpen wins in the playoffs, and they would be wrong.
That is another discussion
We would not get anything for Garland / Lilly or Furcal that would mean a hill of beans. If you want to simply open up the spots for Gordon / Rubby that is different, but why on earth do you think Gordon would not immediately become the worst SS in baseball?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
The Dodgers have shown how much you can give up at the deadline to get very little. It is about time that they are on the other end of such a transaction.
I would rather be winning games
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Really?
Having Furcal…even a healthy Furcal for the last two months of the season, adds what? 2 wins to the Dodgers record?
How can you be so short sighted?
Table
we get your point. Lets move on today.
NoLander let it go, no reply
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okey dokey
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Here we are
facing JA Happ with Chad
Must win game to save dignity
At some point Bourne is going to bounce a hit over the muppett Miles. I truly dislike short 3rd baseman not named Penguin.
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oswald Cobblepot
played 3rd base for the Botham City Knights? Who’da thunk it?
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Hey guys
what do you think about trading Player X for Minor Leaguer X? I think Player X has value and we should sell and get value for him while he’s still on our roster. We’re already out of it anyway, so why not?
Get real.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
Dude, I can open the 25 man roster page and just start spewing drivel too. It just gets old.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
it all comes down to this
Do we here at TBLA control what Ned Colletti and the Dodgers FO does?
the answer is no
so we wait, and we watch
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we all just need to take a deep breath, and then a shot of something
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah but
isn’t absinth illegal?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if you talk about it
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate abstinence?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
When you look as good as me
you have to beat them away with a stick
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Is Mrs. Noland the lucky winner, or the sole survivor?
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
there could be
only one!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
so that's why
i saw a billboard for it
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
lets trade player x and y for Fielder!
Lindblom and Bellasario and X Paul would get it done!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yeah, we need to relax
it might get worse, we should save our vitriol for when that happens.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
amen
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
so nolander
did you see that pic of Bane for Dark Knight Rises?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
yes
I’m intrigued. The luchador mask was never gonna play, so it makes sense to go in another direction. Based on how ripped Hardy was for Bronson I am hopeful he can pull of the role properly.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
same
I’ve only seen a bit of Bronson(my younger brother loved it) but dude was huge in that movie.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
huh, more Hannibal Lector than Luchador, I’m for it. So last time Bane was used, it was concurrent with Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy, and the campiest movie since Adam West. Interested to see if Bane’s use means a through-line of the venom the way Scarecrow’s gas was in the first film.
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well even in the comics Batman's first encounter with the venom
was fighting Riddler who was hopped up on it, IIRC. Or that might have been his 2nd encounter.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
the Riddler, huh. At any rate, I’m excited, Catwoman, Bane, with still Scarecrow and some Joker running around. If only two-face hadn’t died in the last one
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Catwoman?
she’s gonna be in it?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think the point was holy fuck the Riddler can even kick ass on this stuff, it must be really potent!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Bane really in personallity is far more Hannibal then campy villian too, so... yeah it works better
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yes...
yes. This is a fertile thread, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this thread, and we will call it… This Thread.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate it when my brilliant wit gets undermined by the verbosity of a pedantic conversation.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I have no idea what I just wrote
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
translated: It fucking sucks when I’m all funny and folk are all chatting away like a bunch of hens.
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Bloody damn perfect
this was gold
Anyway June 1st is still a week away, and we could go from 7.5 back to 7 back in a blink of an eye and be under Reg’s historical neverhappening and still control our fate.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I laughed
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
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But really [redacted] and then when we [redacted] we might be able to [redacted]
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Who on the team will introduce Rubby to Ethier?
I mean, someone has to be appointed to do it.
We don’t want finger waving Dre ranting to the media about some dude he’s never heard of again.
:)
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s best if Rubby keeps his camera in his bag for the first week or so with the big club.
by Eric Stephen on May 24, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Dre was introduced the day Rubby ate Ichiro for lunch, pointed to Andre and said that will be you mother fucker if these saps ever trade me. Capish?
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by meercatjohn on May 24, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Here we go
@Dodgers Today the #Dodgers purchased the contract of RHP Rubby De La Rosa from Double-A Chattanooga and designated Lance Cormier for assignment
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
beat Eric to it, he was too busy “tweeting”
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hooray!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on May 24, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
bye ye suckier
ha, i’m so clever
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I didn’t even have to use my AK
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on May 24, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Have to say, in all my short years of doing blog stuff, this is the most negative reaction to having our top prospect promoted I’ve ever come across.
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Put me down as happy as hell. I never said I was pissed
don’t give a fuck about Super 2 and options and shit.
I say play the best 25 you got in the system.
I would like our best 15 and 10 of someone else’s.
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trying to think, is there any other team in baseball calling up their top prospects in May? This isn’t sell mode, since the opening day roster is injured not traded away, what do we call it?
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Reinforcments
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Desperation Mode
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What is 11am in the bar eating sausage and eggs with a Guinness watching road Dodger games?
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
Awesome
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Perfect because you would not be able to hear the audio
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Saturday at 11am?
Was a bit upset last night. went to happy Hour after work for a birthday and they turned off the Dodgers game to show the NBA pregame show.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
laaaaaaaaaaaame
I went to buffoloe wild wings last thursday and they didn’t even have the dodgers on even though they have 70 tvs. They had the damn Royals game on but not the Dodgers. They recovered nicely though by putting it on one of the giant screens when I asked them to put the game on.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Strange
That is why we get in these arguments that LA is not much of a Dodger town when you figure in the population. I swear 9 out of 10 Dodger hats couldn’t care less about the team.
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to be fair I was in OC(stupid me not mentioning that)
but the Angels had already played and it was the only local sports going, and, again, 70 tvs. Two giant projection screens right next to each other with the basketball game on. For shame.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
This does not beat the time I was at Rusty’s in SB and asked them to turn the Dodger game on. They said someone had already requested the show playing (re-runs of Roseanne). not cool
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And when it stopped they never heeded my request for the change.
I will toss you in slow-rec softball
by robotmadeofnails on May 24, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cormier still gets his full 800k, and Rubby will make about $300k more this year.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
They should go on strike or something
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shadowplay is a creepy song
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
and sadly accurate
See e.g. castro, juan; gibbons, j.; troncoso, r.
by lchristmas on May 24, 2011 2:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dodgers called up Jansen after just 45 innings last year. I wonder how long until the Dodgers tap into the fountain of Lindblom, Ames, Tolleson, St Clair, Solano. They all walk allot less than Jansen and strike out plenty.
Not trying to start a debate here, just expressing excitement and wondering if we underrate those guys in relation to Jansen.
Jansen does have a control issue right now.
Not sure if he throws a cutter on every pitch, or he is doing it by accident.
But his ball was cutting a lot last night.
Jansen striking out major leaguers has to be treated differently than striking out minor leaguers.
That being said, I’ve said it over and over and over again, it’s really easy for minor league pitching prospects to come up and succeed as relievers for at least a short time. It being May already, nearly June, it’s likely anyone on that list would be fine through the rest of the season. The issue comes when you rely on them next year and don’t have reinforcements in place a la Cory wade.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
Is he throwing a cutter almost exclusivly now?
He threw a lot of 4 seamers last night, but his ball was moving from right to left like a scanner last night.
Lots and lots of cutters, which I think is the right thing to do, actually. If you can’t control the pitch, you better have some GD movement on it.
The issue isn’t the existence of moevement, the problem is that it exists on the X-axis only. what he needs is more m for his x+b.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
Lindblom I think sees the bigs sometime this year
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
With Cormier gone, I see no one else I want to jettison at the moment. Tron Tron can take his role of taking one for the team.
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I'm assuming he means pitchers
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I hope Javy can get a couple more appearences in before Hawk gets back
wanna see what he can do
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Throw hard then roll sloppy changeups and curveballs to the corners at thigh height.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
always a favorite
just spins and spins but never moves.
Fortunately for him, his fastball is cajun.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
If we average 22,000 for the remaining home schedule, Frank will be able to void his lease and move the team to Miami.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
wonder is the team has a nude cardboard cutout of McCourt in the locker room
by Josie Becker on May 24, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
They should use Hawkworth’s sister for motivation!
by keithc13 on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe that’s why Jansen blew the lead. They’re about to uncover her face. No one wants to see that.
No Rafael Furcals were hurt in the making of this video.
They should be grateful Frank can still afford to pay their salary.
by Eric Stephen on May 24, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Explains the injury bug. Just waiting for someone to lose a toe in the outboard motor whirlpool
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on May 24, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Last time this many top 20 prospects were called up by May 24?
Sands
Elbert
Rubby
IDJ
Others:
Ely
Guerra
Russ Mitchell
Seems like a lot, 50 games into the season.
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BA has a piece up about bloodlines in the draft, you know the Dodgers are going to get in on that.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-preview/2011/2611774.html
Some of the Dodger relevant relations are:
Nick and Joey Delmonico both catchers
Cam Gallagher catcher
Ryan Garvey OF/1st
Jordan Hershiser RHP
Brian Howe LHP
Matt Scioscia C
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