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Bud Selig Rejects Dodgers TV Deal With Fox

Remember that television contract that was to save the Dodgers current financial woes under Frank McCourt, thanks to an infusion of upfront cash of the multi-billion dollar deal? The TV deal that needed to be approved for both (a) the Dodgers to reportedly to be able to make payroll on June 30; and (b) the divorce settlement between Frank and Jamie McCourt to be valid? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

MLB commissioner Bud Selig rejected the Dodgers' transaction with Fox (MLB values the deal at $1.7 billion, per Bill Shaikin of the LA Times). Selig issued the following statement on Monday:

"Pursuant to my authority as Commissioner, I have informed Los Angeles Dodgers owner Frank McCourt today in a detailed letter that I cannot approve the club's proposed transaction with FOX. This decision was reached after a full and careful consideration of the terms of the proposed transaction and the club's current circumstances. It is my conclusion that this proposed transaction with FOX would not be in the best interests of the Los Angeles Dodgers franchise, the game of Baseball and the millions of loyal fans of this historic club.

"Mr. McCourt has been provided with an expansive analysis of my reasons for rejecting this proposed transaction. Critically, the transaction is structured to facilitate the further diversion of Dodgers assets for the personal needs of Mr. McCourt. Given the magnitude of the transaction, such a diversion of assets would have the effect of mortgaging the future of the franchise to the long-term detriment of the club and its fans.

"As I have said before, we owe it to the legion of loyal Dodger fans to ensure that this club is being operated properly now and will be guided appropriately in the future. This transaction would not accomplish these goals."

Now we sit back and wait for the inevitable lawsuits to start flying and, perhaps as soon as next Thursday, MLB taking over should the Dodgers not be able to make payroll.

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Thanks Bud…..

Now just change the All Star game back to an exhibition and we’re cool in my book.

by keithc13 on Jun 20, 2011 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought you had taken the day off…

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ve just been really busy. Haven’t had much time to check the comments.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

McCourt sucks
Brett Gardner is swesoke

That about covers it.

by keithc13 on Jun 20, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boras thinks our tv deal is worth 1-2 billion more then the one fox is offering mccourt!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

This perked up an otherwisecdull Monday

Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?

by mleadman on Jun 20, 2011 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

IDJ has a 928 ops in june

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

IDJ isn't striking out 25 percent of the time

he isn’t walking though which is odd.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

IDJ is hitting homers 0% of the time

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is a middle infielder

and if you think trayvon is going to flash that kind of homer power in the majors I don’t know what to say.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

IDJ is a lock to SLG under .400 in the majors, maybe under .350. He also doesn’t have much speed, so not many infield hits.

Tray has the tools just not the contact we’d like.

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyways

its nice to see IDJ not completely sucking after how bad he was when he first went back down.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't say I'm surprised

Would be nice to know exactly what the terms of the deal were, but it doesn’t surprise me in the least that they involved a lot of leveraging of the future to save Frank’s ass today. Under those terms, and given that in theory Bud does have that power, I can’t say I blame him for blocking it.

Still, I suspect all this does is bring the story somewhere to the middle, as opposed to the ending.

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

it does mean things are finally coming to a head

everyone is finally putting their cards on the table

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of it has been spelled out

via Frank’s TV/radio tour, the divorce settlement document, and Shaikin reports, but my understanding is this…

Deal with Fox is between 14-17 years, and takes effect next year (tearing up the final two years of current deal), worth $1.7 billion, or potentially up o $3 billion depending on the value of owning part of Prime Ticket.

Fox was to pay $385 million up front, but as Shakin noted, court docs showed that up to $173.5 million of that dealt with McCourt stuff rather than Dodger stuff, which is why Selig denied the deal (among many reasons, per his statement above).

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

This news makes me very happy.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 20, 2011 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

yay

lawsuits!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey if McCourt just went quietly into the night there’d be no lawsuits.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Selig never let McCourt by the team...

if Selig hadn’t let McCourt seperate the stadium, the land, and the team…
if jaime wasn’t an alleged cheater…. if if if if if. /sigh Thers just nothing for me to be happy with right now. I doubt things get better without things getting worse first.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Things got a little better today. We all pretty much figured MLB would nix the TV deal, but with that out of the way, Frank is running out of options.

0oo0oo0000oo0o00ooo0oo0o0ooo0o0o0. . .. . . . . .

by Ghost_of_K3vo on Jun 20, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB should had never approved the McCourts in the first place..

  It is not like there weren’t warning signs from the very beginning. Many Sports executives and agents said the business plan was unworkable, or the McCourt would have to sell in 4-5 years. MLB approved of it, because News Corp/Fox wanted the deal to go through.

  In many ways the person to receive the most blame for Bud Selig’s problems with Frank McCourt, is… Bud Selig.

  They should had never ever agreed to McCourt in taking over any MLB club, especially after McCourt handled his financing to buy the Red Sox, (which was also not very feasible)

by superferret on Jun 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Many Sports executives and agents

Names please.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not picking on you, but I always chuckle a little when we as a community demand exact references yet bring out the most hyperbolic statements we can muster.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes you are

I’m telling Eric

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shit.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

the most hyperbolic statements we can muster.

by mintxcore on Jun 20, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno what you mean, I never say anything unless I absolutely mean it. Of course, everyone else is a big fat stupid head.

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

As if that weren’t already going on…?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 20, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said this elsewhere, but… This may be literally the best thing Bud Selig has done in his entire life.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 20, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except for the time he rescued that damsel.

Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?

by mleadman on Jun 20, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

he did that?

I thought that was The Masked Fogey?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 20, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers are way more important than some piddling damsel.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 20, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

LAT'd

I thought I had read that the Commissioner’s powers include the approval of sales/deals that involve all property and assets related to the club, which would include the parking lots et al. Meaning Frank couldn’t become landlord and the sale would have to include all Dodgers assets.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

If it doesn't Selig is a fucking moron

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

now I’m confused. Wake me up in a year when this is all resolved.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That I wasn't aware of

But I do remember it being said that one of the first things Frank did was break up the team from the stadium and land, and Bud approved it.

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t Tom Hicks still own the Texas Rangers’ parking lots, even though he lost the team in bankruptcy?

by Just Jake on Jun 20, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of assume the lots would have been sold to pay of debtors, but that could be wrong.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank would still have to sell the stadium and parking lots

Jamie, technically and legally owns half of those "companies" as well, besides, the Stadium and parking lots are completely put up in hock for bank and private placement loans.

  Frank probably couldn’t be a landlord, because he couldn’t afford it, MLB probably could force him to sell, and if he doesn’t, then the family law court or bankruptcy court would force him..

by superferret on Jun 20, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay for denying more free spending

Frank’s next move is to sue MLB for the right to free enterprise and for his insatiable wanton need towards the destruction of a baseball staple. Selig must then fight to undo the irresponsible endorsement of Frank to own the team in the first place. I think that with the unanimous support from the rest of the owner’s Selig might just get his way and force a sale. Fingers crossed.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

he just has to wait

until next thursday, when McCourt misses the payroll.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 20, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'ts been like a soap opera.

Lots of drama this year without the pretty starlets. Just the owner and his huge ego.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It keeps sounds like a period to me

He keeps hoping to get it, we keep hoping he misses it
/being a girl sucks

by JLS23 on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

I will maintain until proven wrong that a new owner would operate very similar to McCourt except he would make more money and possibly fix up Dodger Stadium.

by bhsportsguy on Jun 20, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lebrons coming to LA?

Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?

by mleadman on Jun 20, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taking his talents to South Bay.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am sure

all MLB wants is a competent owner who will not divert money.

by bhsportsguy on Jun 20, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

or at least who won’t do so publicly.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hide your affairs.

Remember people hide your double-dealings so as to not enrage those who you McGrift.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

all MLB wants is a competent owner who will not divert money and isn’t Mark Cuban.

Fixed.

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends...

 If it is a Dan Snyder type of owner, who thinks they poop gold, and everything out of their mouths is sheer genius, yes it will be the same.. If it is a management group with some experience running a professional sports team, whether major league or minor league team. There should be some competency, and putting competent people in positions for a couple years, instead of setting up a kangaroo court as the McCourts did, with a huge amount of Front Office turnover.

  The McCourts hired some competent people, they just couldn’t follow their advice, or they couldn’t deal with people who weren’t obsequious. They fired people only a short time on the job.

by superferret on Jun 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if Dan Snyder were a baseball owner, that team would win titles. He thinks you can build a champion with superstars making up 2/58 of your roster, whereas in baseball he can probably fix problems by signing guys.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

and owners don't really get away with playing gm in baseball

…I think

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

at least not in the draft

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steinbrenner.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You agree that those are the two guys we need, right?

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That or Pujols. But every team could use those guys.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think LF is a bigger issue than SS. Beltran and Fielder.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon is gonna be a superstar!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moreso than that, he’s servicable if for no other reason than his defense is good (good enough?). Whereas running Oeltjen out there everyday is indicative of a last place team.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you absolutely have to have Gordon. Reyes or Gordon to second.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

we could trade gordon for a superstar

but that would seemingly be a possibly amazing middle of the infield

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beltran and Pujols and that cub 3rd baseman

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aramis Ramirez! He’s been bad so far, but I’d still like him. Problem is, he gets $1mil more if traded and the $16mil club option for next year becomes guaranteed.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats why we are signing him in the offseason

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been saying this for ~18 months. Assuming the mony is there, if Kemp and Dre don’t get extended, I expect them to make a final push with them. We won’t get Fielder or Reyes (I can’t imagine we make a huge FA splash if we don’t extend Kemp/Dre) but I could see Aramis, Beltran, and Pena getting 1-2 year deals.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just thought of a Dee, Beltran, Dre, Kemp, Pena, Aramis, Uribe, Barajas lineup. I’ll be in my bunk.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

how bout

 Dee, Beltran, Dre, Kemp, Pena, Aramis,Napoli, Uribe, . Who needs defense?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Napoli is third in catcher ERA!

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I both didn’t think of Napoli and inserted random catcher name X because after that top 6 it doesn’t matter.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

but it would piss off Angel's fans!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m all for anything that pisses off Angels fans.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t want to watch that World Series. All I remember is Adam Kennedy, Percival, KRod and That Was The Furthest Ball I’ve Ever Seen Hit In This Ballpark.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Troy Glaus crushed almost as many homers as bonds!

not as far though.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a Glaus fan because he’s a UCLA boy, but best case scenario from my point of view was some sort of cancellation of the world series due to the formation of anti-matter with the Angels and Giants playing. I imagine it’s how Yankees fans felt in 86

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only worthwhile thing the Angels have ever done. I have no use for them except that they beat the Giants that one time.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 20, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doubt Ramirez would agree to leave. He luvs Chicago.

by keithc13 on Jun 20, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

he has already said

he won’t approve a trade

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 20, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He stated he wouldn’t I think

by NotJoeTorre on Jun 20, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure if Reyes come to LA he will become the next Furcal.

by LAD17 on Jun 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Walking off the field with their heads down lineup

Jackson CF
Wells LF
Ordonez RF
Cabrera 1B
Martinez C
Peralta SS
Raburn 2B
Worth 3B
Penny P

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait, like, Penny Penny?

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Settle down Sheldon, settle down.

by Grimjack on Jun 20, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can Frank not simply take the money he needs up front from the fox deal

and agree to pay off jaimie over time? Does she really need a 100 million dollar sum up front?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

it was over time. Something like 45 now and 55 over the next couple years.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Under their settlement, Jamie would have received $50m now, and the rest within 24 months. That is, if the team wasn’t deemed community property.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering that

the Dodgers will probably have their lowest season ticket renewal in history and that MLB will be hesitant to approve a new TV deal until after 2013, the team’s revenue stream will be the lowest in years.

Who is going to pony up long term deals without any guarantee that they will make money until 2014 season.

by bhsportsguy on Jun 20, 2011 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

MLB will be hesitant to approve a new TV deal until after 2013

Why?

It seems the main issue with the currently negotiated deal was the upfront money, and that much of it was going to McCourt and not the Dodgers. MLB would easily approve a TV deal that called for more money than the ~$76 million over the next two years from the current Fox deal, as long as it was a normal deal and not an “I need cash now” deal.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Eric, my impression was that FOX wasn’t insistent on this deal, and so will be willing to negotiate with whomever they have to, whenever they have to.

Plus I’m guessing the real issue with the TV deal goes back to Frank’s swirl through New York on April 27:

McCourt said he would invest that $300 million into the team and said he had signed an agreement that none of that money would be used to settle his divorce or for any other personal purpose.—Shaikin

Whatever that agreement was, and I assume it was with MLB, he’s now in violation of it.

Let the Bison roam.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten about that

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

and perhaps in whatever Selig sent to McCourt, he may have in essence said if you change this part about the $173m going to McCourts and not Dodgers, I’d approve it. Or something to that effect. I’m speculating though.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it standard for these deals to be 20 years?

why can’t they be, like, 10?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can be whatever the two sides agree to.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

I mean do teams typically do super long tv deals

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why can't Frank

ask MLB to structure the deal in such a way that they would approve it. My inkling is that Selig won’t approve ANY tv deal for the Dodgers as long as McCourt is the owner. If I were McCourt I’d ask MLB to join the Fox negotiations such that the deal gets structured such that the MLB approves of it.

by Xeifrank on Jun 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we don’t know what Selig sent to Frank, but I’m sure the deal points that Selig objected to were highlighted in detail.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

right, but it seems like if you are Frank and are worried about MLB taking over your team, you have someone from MLB (representing Bud) on your negotiating team. Therefore, you don’t come up with a deal that Bud can shoot down – and you can call him on the carpet for being pre-determined to take over the team by forcing McCourt to miss payroll.

by Xeifrank on Jun 20, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank also should have thought about that when going on his media whirlwind in May (or was it April?) saying “all of the upfront money will be poured into the Dodgers” when that clearly wasn’t the case.

None of the objectionable points in the deal, at least on the surface (aside from the issue of negotiating from a point of weakness; the “I need money now” problem), seem like deal breakers from a Fox standpoint.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bills for Ogando

Was thinking about this the other day — Dodgers are giving up a proven, if sometimes erratic, starter on a long deal for a much less proven but relatively high ceiling arm. They’re about the same age. If management thinks Chad needs a change of scenery, could this be a fair deal?

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Ogando is older, has worse perhiperals and a .230 BABIP.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Ray Guilfoyle
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jun 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they do this I’ll need to take a break

by Michael White on Jun 20, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather send Bills to Uganda this offseason, set him up with a charitable organization a la Kershaw, and have him start building orphanages by the bushel.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This could be your worst idea yet.

by delias man on Jun 20, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

So basically, part of saying no is because Ogando might be a fluke? His stuff looks tight to me.

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no might about it.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Maddux wants this trade to happen

by NotJoeTorre on Jun 20, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why trade a proven bills for an unknown guy who may be fluking his way to a good season?

Just because of 3 bad starts in a row?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just talking out loud; forget it, bad idea, move on. :)

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

im still ready to talk about trading for Carlos Quentin :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jun 20, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once we trade Bills for Ogando, though, we could call up Dana Eveland!

;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jun 20, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta love @OldHossRadbourn
From the Old Hoss Radbourn FAQ: Yes, J. McKeon was my old skipper. Please stop asking

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Sink or swim time with The River lineup

Gordon SS
Uribe 3B
Ethier RF
Kemp CF
Loney 1B
Thames LF
Navarro C
Carroll 2B
Kershaw P

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

that was quick

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no paddle!

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

And why does the creek smell like shit?

by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blake must still be hurting. Carroll 3 for 26 against Penny.

by Alex41592 on Jun 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will scream in person at Jazz Hands tonight. Lineups set in my app!

KCAL! FTMFW!

by robotmadeofnails on Jun 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruins: Drink like a champion

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

thats a lot of overprice bud light

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or they bought

like a case of Sam Adams Utopias

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

it is boston

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That should cost you less per bottle if you can find one than the bottle serviced spirits on the receipt above

by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 20, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

jealousy rears its ugly head

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

im not jealous!

why would i want to have a drinking spree at a TGI FRIDAYS?

by mintxcore on Jun 20, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

some place called foxwood

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bruins prefer Bud Light to Coors Light by a 68-to-1 ratio.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Always choose Bud Light.

It’s more American. Even though its own by the Europeans now :(

by JLS23 on Jun 20, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Dude, I can’t believe you guys got all this Bud, Bud is terrible. I’m gonna order a Coors”.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This tastes like college.

Sorry, I enjoy blue moon or shock top once in awhile, and I’m not pretending to be a beer snob here, but I don’t see why anyone would drink beer from either AB or Coors. It’s watered-down, cold-filtered garbage.

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by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

What does cold-filtered mean?

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coors Light is good drinking game beer since it’s basically water with alcohol in it.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason coors light is a good drinking game beer is because it’s the best motivation not to lose your game. Also, when playing any drinking game with Coors, make sure your partner is already wasted so you can keep handing the drinks to them.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coors is the champagne of drinking game beers when Natty, Keystone, the Beast, and so much other weird stuff that sells for 13 bucks a 30 pack exists.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can attest to this, as I have used this in many a chugging competition, and have video evidence on my facebook page.

by Grimjack on Jun 20, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love Blue Moon, Stella, etc.

But my favorite is a Widmer Hef and a Brat at the Ravine :)

by JLS23 on Jun 20, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The brewers of Stella (Inbev) also own Bud and their line of beers. They also brew Hoegaarden a much better Whitbier.

by Grimjack on Jun 20, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know Pacifico was started by Germans.

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by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

268 dollars worth of fiji water

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ace MIDAS

What the fuck costs 100 grand?

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you remember the big ass bottle the mavericks bought

its that, but twice as big.

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

was that the Half-Dirk bottle?

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by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

x

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude wears glasses? What a nerd.

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by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That has been trending with the Basketball crowd for over a year and a half now, same with the bow tie.

by Grimjack on Jun 20, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ace of Spades champagne in a giant friggin bottle.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The perfect theme song for the McCourt Saga

Gypsies Tramps and Theives

Ive been trying to decide all my first dance songs 14 months ahead of time :)

by JLS23 on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing bad ever came from a first dance to “Pump It”

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, I meant ‘Push It’ by Salt n Peppa

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by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha.

So many Push Its to choose from

by JLS23 on Jun 20, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple years ago I looked at this free agent class and thought "wow, what if?"

Pujols, Phillips, Reyes, Aramis, Abreu, Sizemore, Berkman.
Brandon Webb, Dontrelle Willis, Mark Buehrle, Chris Carpenter, Roy Oswalt, Adam Wainwright, Heath Bell, Broxton.

Some stuck, some didn’t, but man, a lot of names up for grabs.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

From the soul crushing part of a PR department's job

Here is a statement from Steve Susman, attorney for Frank:

"We are extremely disappointed with the Commissioner’s rejection of the proposed FOX transaction which would inject $235 million into the Los Angeles Dodgers. As Commissioner Selig well knows, this transaction would make the Dodgers financially secure for the long term and one of the best capitalized teams in Major League Baseball.

"For weeks Major League Baseball has consistently made public pronouncements asserting that Jamie McCourt’s agreement of the Fox transaction also was needed; that the Court adjudicating the McCourt divorce grant its approval of the transaction; and the Dodger organization provide all data requested by Major League Baseball to satisfy the so-called investigation ordered by Commissioner Selig last April – the latter also being the excuse he gave at that time for delaying his approval of the proposed FOX transaction.

"All the requirements for the Commissioner to approve the FOX transaction were put in place by last Friday: Frank and Jamie McCourt entered into an agreement based on the proposed transaction; the Court ordered, among other things, that the FOX transaction is "in the best interest of the Los Angeles Dodgers and should be consummated immediately;" and all information requested by Major League Baseball under its so-called investigation has been provided by the Dodgers.

"Commissioner Selig’s letter of rejection is not only a disappointment, but worse, is potentially destructive to the Los Angeles Dodgers, and Major League Baseball. Accordingly, we plan to explore vigorously our options and remedies with respect to Commissioner Selig’s rejection of the proposed FOX transaction and our commitment to protect the long-term best interests of the Los Angeles Dodgers."

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Plan B

Frank calls USA Network for an even bigger deal.

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plan C

Make haste towards the border. Buy a 3rd world baseball team and run it like a dictator. If anyone gives you guff just pay off the authorities then sit in a hammock and drink your pina coladas.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers, Up All Night

by Eric Stephen on Jun 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does that mean

Vin would be replaced by Rhonda Shear?

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe McCourt starts a new baseball league to compete with MLB, a league where the players barely get paid and nobody cares about it. They can call it the NHL.

by Xeifrank on Jun 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tommy Maddox

Takes pride in his accolades.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats right, only one city to win an XFL championship.. LA baby!

by uschris0304 on Jun 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck You,

with respect, An NHL fan.

by Grimjack on Jun 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

why hasn't frank explored taking on a minority owner ala the Mets?

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe that’s his next move?

by Michael White on Jun 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once selig seizes the team I would think it would be too late

since Selig really does seem to want him gone.

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by nolander on Jun 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Percentage MLB seizes Dodgers on June 30th?

by silverwidow on Jun 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

About 99%

Though odds are Frank files court papers almost immediately following, and this whole thing gets tied up in court for a while.

by EMDarrow on Jun 20, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably

the only way he gets one would be for that person to have the right to buy him out in a certain number of years.

by bhsportsguy on Jun 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Waiting for

It’s like waiting to asses a head-on collision accident with a bullet train. When Frank steps aside it’s time to pick up the pieces. We have a Frankenstein of a line-up with has-beens and never-were.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

and all stars

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those few nonexpendable few

Just keep Kemp, Kershaw, Carroll and the rooks everyone else would be happy to go.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those Billingsley and Ethier cats are cool too. Carroll is a free agent.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

by G.Scott on Jun 20, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bills and Ethier

Like their style but need to see more power from my RF and more consistency from my #2.

by Alexp11 on Jun 20, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you’re cool with a 37 year old utility infielder.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jun 20, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

The problem with taking on a minority owner is that first is has to be clear who is the owner: i.e. are the Dodgers owned by Frank alone, or by Frank and Jamie. Until that’s decided, he/they can’t sell part of the team to aminority owner. And that (Aug. 4) was contingent on Selig approving the FOX deal. No go.

by berkowit28 on Jun 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And for those of you with the sharp eyes, there is a setting for pitchers of cold beery goodness.

by Grimjack on Jun 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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