Opposites Collide : Big Red Machine Preview
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 3, 2011 11:19 AM PDT
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Dodgers lost the 2010 Series five games to four even though the Dodgers outscored them 58 - 47
Manager: Dusty Baker ( 29 - 28) 3rd Place / Historically (1434 - 1312)
Current: Unlike the Dodgers, the Reds are all about offense: they are not the best offensive team in the NL but they are in the top three. They do it with two monsters - Joey Votto, the best hitter in the NL, and Jay Bruce the hottest hitter in baseball - one very good piece in Brandon Phillips, an excellent catching platoon of Hernandez/Hanigan, and a plethora of average hitters in Rolen, Stubbs, and Gomes. The only sinkhole is SS where Janish and Renteria provide Castro-like offense. Also unlike the Dodgers. the Reds are a patchwork rotation. They got Homer Bailey back for a few weeks, but he went back on the DL and will miss this series. Sam LeClure might have replaced Bailey but he also hit the DL. The opening day starter, Edinson Volquez, is back in the minor leagues trying to figure out his game. The stats bear this out, the Reds are 16th in the month of May in overall pitching, 16th in May for starters, 16th in May for relievers. There are 16 teams. Pitching is a problem.
Key Additions: Edgar Renteria
Key Injuries: Homer Bailey, Sam LeClure, Matt Maloney, Chapman, Burton
1st Base: I believe Maddz asked early this year, how long before someone declares Votto the best hitter in the NL? Maybe that time has come. He is easily the best hitting first baseman in baseball, his wRC is 171. Maybe Ryan Braun has an argument, maybe Pujols will once again weigh in, but my vote goes to Votto right now. Presence.
2nd Base: Brandon Philips is having his best year, he is kind of like Orlando Hudson when Orlando Hudson was good. Not as good as his reputation but still a very productive second baseman.
Shortstop: Sinkhole of Paul Janish and Edgar Renteria.
3rd Base: Scott Rolen in 2010 was mostly injury free and put up his best year since 2006. 2011 he's been hurt and his production has dropped considerably. He's picked it up a bit in May, so maybe he's starting to hit his stride. The last thing this potent offense needs is for Scott Rolen to hit his stride.
Catcher: I love catching platoons and the Reds have one of the best going but it has nothing to do with R/L splits. Ramon Hernandez is beasting whenever he plays, to the tune of of a .896 OPS. He has garnered 126 plate appearances while his mate, Ryan Hanigan has garnered 123. Hanigan did almost all of his hitting during the first two weeks of the season. They are both right handed, I have no idea what decision goes into who will catch.
Right Fielder: Last week we saw the second best young right fielder in the NL. This week we see the best and hottest. Jay Bruce just finished a historical May in which he went .342/.402/.739, producing 33 runs batted in. Hopefully Bruce has got all of that out of his system. If he hits a home run off of Kershaw, we will know he's on his way to giving Votto a run for a MVP.
Center Fielder: I remember when Drew Stubbs was drafted, speedy CF, who had some power and struck out a lot. Not many were impressed with him. Guess they were wrong, he's turned into a solid major league center fielder doing all of those things while also providing some of the best defensive work in the NL. He's fun to watch.
Left Fielder: Johnny Gomes lost the full time gig, now he's shares time with Chris Heisey and Fred Lewis. Heisey has been the best of the lot.
Bench: I think I've mentioned everyone but Cairo.
Game One Stater: Bronson Arroyo is one of the few pitchers who does not throw harder then 87 MPH but has had success. He is an innings eater, who is having some bad luck in 2011. His TSL is 5.74/5.32/4.11 so you can see with the xFIP he is having home run trouble. 14 long balls in 62 innings. Yowza.
Game Two Starter: Johnny Cuerto, on the other hand, would appear to be having a great season with his 2.20 ERA. Yet his full TSL is 2.20/ 3.71 / 4.08 so he's not as great as he looks on the surface. He's coming off a solid eight inning performance against the Braves. He only joined the Reds rotation in May after spending April on the DL.
Game Three Starter: Travis Wood is left handed, has made every start, and his TSL of 5.05/ 3.94 / 3.96 also shows he's been a victim of some bad luck. Wood was awful in April, but in his six starts in May he never gave up more then four runs:)
Bullpen: Francisco Cordero recently notched his 300th save. Cordero started closing in 2002. How many other closers have garnered 200 saves since 2002? The left handers are Bray and Jeremy Horst. Horst was recently recalled. We don't have to worry about the 100 MPH of Chapman who is on the DL. Setting up Cordero are Nick Massett, Logan Ondrusek, and Jose Arredondo,
MatchUps :
These teams both do one thing extremely well. The Reds hit the ball, the Dodgers pitch the ball. The Dodgers rotation has not faced a lineup like this since they played the Brewers, and I don't think the Reds have faced three pitchers in a row as good as Kuroda/ Kershaw / Billingsley. They are the best we have; it should be a fun series. One other note, the Reds have a .943 OPS at home against LHP so that will be quite the test for Clayton in game two.
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it all makes sense……
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Rk Player SV From To Age GF IP H ER BB SO ERA ERA+ HR OBP SLG OPS OPS+
1 Mariano Rivera 358 2002 2011 32-41 537 639.1 487 137 115 591 1.93 230 31 .255 .282 .537 4162
2 Francisco Cordero 300 2002 2011 27-36 499 643.1 549 209 274 673 2.92 156 39 .312 .325 .638 4572
3 Trevor Hoffman 287 2002 2010 34-42 388 447.2 372 148 111 405 2.98 133 37 .272 .353 .624
4 Francisco Rodriguez 284 2002 2011 20-29 430 604.0 428 166 270 754 2.47 176 44 .287 .304 .591 3471
5 Billy Wagner 276 2002 2010 30-38 452 559.2 371 128 154 695 2.06 210 49 .250 .290 .540
6 Joe Nathan 249 2002 2011 27-36 382 516.2 340 126 162 618 2.19 200 37 .254 .290 .544 4223
7 Brad Lidge 222 2002 2010 25-33 360 574.2 464 224 263 766 3.51 124 56 .314 .357 .670
8 Jason Isringhausen 217 2002 2011 29-38 338 434.2 331 143 187 395 2.96 144 32 .297 .315 .611 4252
9 Jose Valverde 207 2003 2011 25-33 377 474.0 356 166 199 558 3.15 141 52 .291 .338 .629 3233
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 6/3/2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Very surprised to see Isringhausen and Valverde on this list.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
so did giving him that huge contract a couple years ago actually work out? seemed like a bonehead move at the time..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 3, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems like this name should always be written this way
Nick “BobbleSlam” Massett.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Hey, underdog, I actually watched Battlefield Earth the other night, so you wouldn’t have to. Think I would have preferred Scientology death rays aimed at my brain.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jun 3, 2011 11:45 AM PDT reply actions
Hah! Sorry. :-) I have actually watched quite a few parts of it
just have not had the stamina to watch it all in one sitting. It’s pretty hilarious though. And yeah, I heard Scheer’s How Did This Get Made podcast episode about that film, which did make me want to try watching it again. But man… what a mess. What was Forrest Whitaker thinking?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
FW (voiceover for his thoughts): Hmm, maybe I should take that paycheck before I have to resort to doing a network TV spin-off series.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Hah, maybe
but Criminal Minds spinoffs look like Shakespeare compared to that Plan 9-ish movie. ;-)
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The Criminal Minds spinoff blew up my classroom and it stunk for months afterward. Fuck them and fuck them hard.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Shaq might help bring football to LA
per his ESPN interview today. Would he be interested in a little baseball club? Would we then call him The Big Leverage?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
There is a long list of suitors for NFL in LA.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Magic involved
but for the team that broke the color barrier, having the first African-American majority owner in baseball would be another source of pride…for me, anyways.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Ummm Eric?
If the Dodgers do get up 2-0 in this series, please lay off the broom pic for game 3
Still on Frank's team!
And so, with a little bit of modification, you can turn one gun, into five guns.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Dodgers are up 2-0 on Sunday, I’ll find a picture with two brooms and use that.
Then I’ll find you some pumps do go with that dress.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 3, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m eying some of those Red prospects.
Devin Mesoraco, Yasmani Grandal, Todd Frazier, Juan Francisco, and Yonder Alonso specifically.
Alonso and Grandal would take giving up Ethier, and it might be 1 for 1.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I would be hoping that Furcal could land either Frazier or Fransisco and that Kuroda might land Alonso or Mesoraco. Though I figure I might be hoping for a Carlos Santan, Casey Blake situation, and the Dodgers unfortunately wouldn’t be able to send the Reds any money. (not to mention the no trade clausees of course).
it’s just that ideally I would like to see the Dodgers add players like that to their rebuilding effort, Logan White has been drafting too many pitchers in the first round. Hard to complain with the mediocre success rate though, if it yields players like Kershaw and Billz.
Ideally I would like the dodgers to win the WS
you need to dream bigger.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Ideally, you should be posting stuff like this towards the deadline IF we’re gonners by then.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It has very little do do with the matchups we will be seeing this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O
;-P
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
It feels like Yonder Alonso has been a prospect for a decade.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
the only ones i know
are Grandal the catcher, and Alonso the OF/1B.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this comment serve any good purpose?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
oh wait, Francisco is a 3B right?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see them trying to trade one of the two catching prospects, I would love any of them.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Alonso http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2530&position=1B
Mesoraco http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa388411&position=C
Grandal http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa392198&position=C/DH
Frazier http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=PR/PH
Francisco http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6978&position=3B
cool
thanks.
FTR, i wasn’t insulted, but I was asking for more info on the guys.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
"The only sinkhole is SS where Janish and Renteria provide Castro-like offense. Also unlike the Dodgers. the Reds are a patchwork rotation."
Nothing a little Furcal and Kuroda can’t fix. ;)
Just had to wait 15 minutes to buy Coachella tickets, so if any of you are planning on going, I’d get on that right quick.
@andrewngrant
No one has been announced.
…It’s a pretty good system they got going.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
10 months away
now thats a racket
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
A ton of people (i.e. me) got left out last year, you can bet they’ll be the first ones in line to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Sands heads down when Thames is back
To the surprise of absolutely no one.
Looks like I get to see Sands a few more times here in Albuquerque, at least.
@3_2count
FTLFY
Fixed That Link For You.
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/6/2/2204185/prospect-updates-from-the-gm (caution, will not open in a new tab, I think)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Remember that stat Eric brought up about Federer?
That Federer is like 174-0 when leading after the first two sets? Well Djokovic came back to threaten that streak by beating Fed in the third set and is now serving for set point in the fourth. If he does, the fifth set will be held tomorrow due to darkness
FTR
I’m pulling for Federer. Mostly because I want that streak to continue.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't follow tennis much
but I’ve seen him be gracious in his matches with Nadal.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
That’s because Nadal owns him. But he won’t give an opponent much credit if he perceives them as inferior.
OK only how he celebrates after winning a final.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Fourth set is going to a tie break
All or nothing for Djokovic here.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
this team is scary, for real
I like Scott Rolen. A lot.
I’m glad that I got a shout out, too. ;)
Poor Deuce.
The Marlins are on there, so I’m guessing this is entirely due to creative accounting.
@andrewngrant
but but but
the Marlins are the paradigm upon which the Dodgers should base their entire enterprise!!!!!!
Poor Deuce.
If Broxton and Kuo fail to pitch again this year, do the Dodgers try and bring either of them back? Hard to gauge their price on the free agent market currently, and Kuo still has arbitration year/s? left. They were just so darn good in the past.
I don't think Broxton is coming back
Kuo will be here next year
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don’t want Broxton back. Fair or not, I never forgave him for back to back NLCS meltdowns. Those hurt bad.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Cory Wade gave up the two run HR to Victorino that tied the game in 08. If we’re getting our facts straight.
It was a tie game when Stairs hit the ball straight to hell. So, he didn’t so much meltdown as give up a shocking home run at the time when he was a great pitcher.
2009, I got nothing. Broxton had a chance to overcome that HR and he walked Stairs on four pitches, hitting Ruiz (fuck that guy) leading to Rollins winning the game. I’m far more upset about this.
The Rollins hit was so defeating. A stomach punch.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Only time I almost cried as a fan
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
of sadness.
I cried with joy when I watched the 4+1 live
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
that was the loudest i’ve ever cursed.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I just got really quite and sad
as I tend to do when I know the end has come. Just kind of sat there and stared off into space for awhile.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I have told this before:
I was watching the game on an illegal feed with audio delay. So, I had Vin on the radio. I heard it before I saw it. The sad part is that I hoped Vin got it wrong
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I was in a bar in fucking Philadelphia
worst day of my life that was not a true material tragedy in my life
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn that would suck to be anywhere near the East Coast when that happened
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Not sure they would want to pour a few million into a huge ? mark.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Especially when we have a stable
of young relievers
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
None of those guys are all that good. The best one (Rubby) will be transitioning back to starter soon.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't like our reliever prospects?
Lots of young talent:
Elbert
Jansen
Lindblom
Tolleson
Ames
St Clair
Solano
Smith
Bawcom
Budkevics
and now apparently Ethan Martin
only three of those guys have seen any time in the majors thus far
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I hope for the best. I just don’t see anything compelling in that group which would make Kuo expendable.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Jansen’s K rate not compelling? (Yes, the BB rate, I know.)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Sorry – agree it’s still probably compelling enough to make Kuo expendable. The problem is if Kuo doesn’t pitch again this season, that’s a lot of money to blow on a guy still disabled due to Steve Blass Disease.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This is a market that gives Jesse Crain three years…
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Reg was more speaking to the dangers of non-tendering Kuo; he could go somewhere else and get paid despite his injury record
Poor Deuce.
RIght, but if you are worried about arbitration with Guo, why not just non tender him and try to get him cheaper. If not, then cut ties. :)
I’m more talking to the crowd that thinks the $2M+ in arbitration is not worth it due to all the bullpen arms we have in the minors. If it is too much, then non tender and take your chances. If your bullpen totally sucks, then go to arbitration.
My feeling is that the three million you save by going with Lindblom instead of Kuo would just go to something I like less than Kuo, so might as well go to him.
@andrewngrant
agreed
that is my worry.
but yeah, if his pitching issues continue throughout this year alas, they probably should cut bait…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Kuo being expendable or not aside, this group has collectively dominated the minors with hardly any bumps thus far.
Who cares? It’s the minors. Did Lindblom (small sample size, I know) the other night make you think, “no worries, our bullpen’s got this”
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Lindblom did have an FIP in the fours.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Though simoultaniously dissapointing, Martin as a reliver is an exciting thought. He has such a big arm, would be fun to watch him enter the game and let it all out.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yowza, I forgot he was up at $2.7MM. Considering he has to get a raise in arbitration (I believe) then I soften my stance from absolutely to possibly.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
If he’s gimpy he won’t get a huge raise though, and since apparently all four million can buy you is 1/3rd of Guerrier, might as well keep Kuo.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 3, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
They spend 1 mill every year on a random vet reliever with no upside. For a bit more cash Kuo would have a lower downside (zero value) but he does have that very high upside.
Hopefully Kuo will not want to change orgs after all these years and operations, he might give the Dodgers a discount.
LOLance Cormier ($ to ?) got 80% of a million of give negative value (-0.2 WAR on fangraphs). Now, that was in mostly don’t care situations, saving the good pitchers from overwork, but….
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Reds Lineup - No Brandon Phillips today.
Stubbs CF
Cairo 2B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Rolen 3B
Lewis LF
Hanigan C
Janish SS
Arroyo P
Stubbs
is one of my favorite non Dodgers. Along with Denard Spann, Starlin Castro, and Ryan Zimmerman
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you take Castro over Kershaw (or Kemp or Cabrera or or or)?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Cabrera?
I would not take Castro over either Kershaw or Kemp, or Billz for that matter. I just loving watching him play.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Miguel. It was a franchise draft callback. I still can’t believe Crasnick picked him over all those guys, and a dozen more reasonable choices.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Ah
I can’t get worked about that clown show.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
What makes him so great is his ungodly consistency, he plays tennis like Frank Robinson plays staring contests.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Federer up 6-3 in the tiebreak of the fourth set.
Looks like he’s going to be in the final against Nadal.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
And fuck you, ESPN — why can’t I EVER get a comment approved?
couldn’t say :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Seriously, though, I’ve never said fuck in their chat room. It amazes me at the garbage they let through.
clearly the answer is
you’re to high-class for them
/deltaco
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I've enjoyed the little flurry
that Roberto Baly kicked up when reported on Vin Scully’s star on the Walk of Fame being covered up by a somewhat ratty, taped down red carpet, but is now uncovered again, per Tom Hoffarth. But leave it to Vin himself to give the best quote on the whole thing:
“I have no idea what’s going on there; I haven’t been down there since the star was put in,” said Scully, who received the star in 1982, the same year he was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
If there is something there burying his fame, he said, “I just wish it were a blue carpet.”
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 3, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Guys, I am excited for the game tonight. Yesterday felt weird without baseball. I wish I could have joined in on the Quakes fun.
Poor Deuce.
Could have tried
to get a hold of one of these:
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This should be an unpredictable series
It really could be a test of the adage that great pitching trumps great hitting (not that I haven’t seen that disproved many times, like when I saw the Yankees face the A’s this week.) But Kuroda is definitely going to have to pitch better than he did last time and the other guys will need their A games, too. On the other hand, Dodger hitters may be poised to get back on track after hopefully a one game blip.
Is Uribe on track to return for Sunday?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I want to believe
that the Dodgers have turned over a new leaf offensively. Loney perhaps finding himself, Sands (at least while hes up) ready to go on a tear, and Furcal and Blake now back. The pitching has been excellent (why do people hate on Honeycutt?) and a potentially average offense in a shit division…I am almost excited, though also confused because of my Frank McCourt Schadenfreude
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
the Honeycutt thing
i believe boils down to people wishing to blame one singular thing for something that goes wrong.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats the thing…it seems obvious that he is good. I can’t think of one reason to think he’s doing a bad job. Not to mention that he came up under Dave Duncan
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
4 managers, 3 GMs, 2 owners since he started as the minor league pitching coordinator (2002-2005), before becoming the big club’s pitching coach starting in ‘06. According to the Dodger’s web site (don’t have my media guide with me) he also
has worked closely with some of the most successful young Dodger pitching prospects, including Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton and Hong-Chih Kuo.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yeah
but he can’t control their sweat glands and mental anxiety. What we really need is a Dr. Frankenstein/Dr. Freud hybrid!
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by Pure Azure on Jun 3, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reds lineup
Stubbs CF
Cairo 2B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Rolen 3B
Lewis LF
Hanigan C
Janish SS
Arroyo P
Phillips’ wrist is hurting after HBP, per Reds’ beat writer John Fay
As good as their hitting is, at least I can say I feel a little better about Dodger's left field situation
compared to Reds. Would take many of their other hitters, though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yeah my bad. I just got back in and did a quick scan here and didn’t catch Alex’s comment.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 3, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
With Arroyo and Lilly in this ballpark I’m expecting at least four home runs. So, because of that it’ll end up being 2-1.
I don't think Lilly is pitching in this series?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Lilly not pitching this series
but in Citizen’s bank, he’ll probably let up a few.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that worries me just as much...
Hope he’s not pitching a day game at least :-/
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
FTFY
Just making sure you’re playing attention. Yeah, that’s it. the ticket
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
The Dodgers are expected to activate reliever Vicente Padilla from the disabled list Friday, but a corresponding move is not yet clear.
One possibility involves starter Jon Garland, who was not on the team flight out of Los Angeles on Thursday. If Garland is the one, it could mean a start for rookie Rubby De La Rosa, who has been used exclusively in relief since he was promoted, but has been and is considered a starting pitcher
maybe
this is about that blister on his hand? The one he said wasn’t bothering him in Chicago
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
or maybe
Garland has permission to travel separately because he has something business to attend to. His throw isn’t until, what, tomorrow?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
what does a masquerade have to do with this?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Garland is Garland, he hasn’t really done anything that isn’t out of the line with what I expected him to do. Kuroda’s terrible recent starts have been more disturbing to me, personally.
Poor Deuce.
Yeah kinda agree
Garland’s been pretty okay for a 5th starter. I mean the other day he gives up 3 runs, but over what, 6 innings? For a team that scores runs consistently 3 runs is just fine and dandy. Of course he could have given up 1 run and they would’ve lost that game vs Ubaldo. Kuroda’s worried me more lately, and I don’t know if tonight’s the night to stop worrying. But hopefully he gets it together.
Garland could legitimately have a blister again. Or a phantom blister for the good of the team.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Garland's strength
is that you can absolutely, 100%, no question about it, pencil him in for a close to league average 210 175 innings.
Or he asked, "Guerrier/Guerra come out to plaaaayaayyyyy..."
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
while clinking three tiny bottles on his fingers.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Torre would have said
“you get one shot to start, and if you don’t get these guys out I am shipping your ass to Pittsburgh.”
Still on Frank's team!
by delias man on Jun 3, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still think Troncoso is likely. I would like to know whom Lindblom was replacing before Jansen had to go on the DL, per Suchon’s sleuthing the other night.
Maybe we are trading Garland
to make room in the rotation for Rubby
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
can’t until June 16, and inventing a blister wouldn’t exactly help his trade value.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
We are phantom dling him
until the 16th, to make sure the deal holds up
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Opposites collide
I was thinking of Hayden Panettiere and Wladimir Klitschko when i saw the title. Too bad they broke up last month.
Still on Frank's team!
why too bad? She should of never been with that old ass dude anyways. She is way too hot for that. Mark Sanchez is way more in her league, and they were seen at In and Out together. Now thats more her league, or so I hear anyways haha.
yeah I know im just playin…. age is just a number right? But to be honest when I heard Hayden and Wladmir Klitschko were dating I was surprised by it…but they also say love is blind, which is the way it should be
i just thought they were a huge size missmatch but I wasn’t surprised he was a billion years older than her cos so was Milo. :)
Poor Deuce.
Its really not a big deal
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
When you get to my age, you’ll like it better.
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Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I should probably mention some of the things in the TBLA store:
2011 Laker Preseason Ticket – 1st Level
2011 Clipper Ticket 1st Level
Laker Beach Set
Laker Cushion
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1 Hour with G Scott as he describes how to throw a curveball
1 Hour of Kickboxing with Maddz
1 Hour watching NoLander code
A Remix CD created by Eric Stephen with Don’t Stop Believing the only song
Singing a Duet with Josie and the PussyCats
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I could definitely spend an hour explaining the curveball.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Can you explain to me how it led to my stress fracture in high school aka, throwing it too early :)
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I imagine it was from my throwing form and my shoulder not being strong enough, so my elbow was taking the brunt of the force.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
the kickboxing would be free, actually, but the vomit induced by attempting to keep up with me in the class is the real prize
Poor Deuce.
by Maddz on Jun 3, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
no mintxcore cooking lesson?
Humma freestyling?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
They refused to have their talents included. Something about not wanting to be associated with riffraff.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I've lived in Hawthorne
riffraff is nothing new in them parts
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
what about
his elbow?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
1 Hour watching NoLander code
Only if I am allowed to tell him constantly how he’s doing it wrong. ;.-P
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
1 hour of me coding...
so about 40 of me fidgeting around followed by a 20 minute flourish of genius. Man that would be painful to watch.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
That counts as fidgeting
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I’ve got an old Shawn Hillegas poster from that Dodger psuedo-mag that was in the LBPT back in the day I can donate to the cause. Got some staple holes in it though.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to contribute....
hmmm, what to offer???
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
stories of your adventures
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Surfing Lessons
2. Drinking Lessons
3. Life Lessons
4. Business Lessons
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’d have mentioned cooking but Maddz covered it
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m down for winners choice of any of the above
You could even throw in an hour at the best batting cage in Burbank. Indoor, real baseballs, iron mike arm action
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Never trust an Iron Mike machine.
Never trust any pitching machine that uses real baseballs.
Never trust your bats to non-real baseballs.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
good truths
The Mike will catch a seam and throw breaking stuff, ball is all over the place, including sometimes at your ear hole
but so much better than the tires putting ball after ball in the same spot
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
no way man, I’m not a good enough hitter anymore to be able to react to pitches and work on my swing at the same time. I need the tires.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
and you are closer than 60 feet...
the Mike at 60 MPH is about the best practice I can get, work on swing and challenged all at the same time
The mike at 70 is a little scary, and I am just working on htting it solidly
the Mike at 50 is a joke and the little kids watch me in awe
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Fortunately, if the cage is at less than 80 I piss off the attendants by standing so far up in the cage that I’m barely within the confines. I’m sure that’ll change.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
next time you are in the valley, we have to go to burbank
you will love this place
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
When I was a HS kid
The pitching machines (in Glendale – Phil knows) had the rotating arm that had the ball in a scoop and flung it at you. They hadn’t invented those awful dimpled yellow balls yet; we hit those white rubber covered things.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Iron Mike machine loads up its cast before flinging the balls at you?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 3, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a machine based on tension, as it gets used, the tension eases, changing both it’s location and velocity over time. You always kind of wonder which pitch is going to be the one where it’s now bouncing at 58 feet with sink.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
First time I went into a hardball batting cage in 10+ years I got plunked by the very first pitch. Suppose to be an 80+MPH machine. Hurt like heck. Had to get up quickly because he kept throwing.
I read this as you were thrown at as a 10 year old at 80+ mph and had to get up because he kept throwing. My first thought was “your dad is a dick”. I’m tired.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
hehe – coin operated pitching machine. The coin box was in the right handed batters box. My plan was to put the coins in the quickly cross home plate to the left handed batters box for a few swings left handed. Usually these machines take about 10 seconds or longer until the first pitch comes out. So I put in the coins quickly run across home plate, but as I did the stupid machine must’ve had a ball already queued up and nailed me in the mid back with an 80+ mph fastball. It literally knocked me to the ground and I crawled out of the way in too much pain to swing at the first five or six pitches. I complained to the manager but he didn’t witness it so he didn’t give a rats ass. I lifted up my shirt and asked to be comped or something stupid like that for my first batch of quarters. Should’ve just told him I was going to sue his ass but wasn’t thinking too clearly.
It was a crappy 80’s wrestling reference. I’m familiar with the batting machine.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 3, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
i thought
it was Bob Orton who used his cast in matches.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He did too. Iron Mike Sharpe loaded up forearm braces, wrist bands and stuff.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 3, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
TBLA Home Run Series Contest
Pick Players and Home Runs – Dodgers Only – Zero does not count
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Kemp 2
Ethier 1
Sands 1
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
1 Jerry Sands
1 Kemp
1 Gibbons
1 Etheir
1 Blake
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
It still feels high to me.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 3, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Frickin’ bandbox
Kemp – 2
Ethier – 2
Loney – 2
Sands – 1
Gibbons – 1
Furcal – 1
Beard – 1
Miles -1
Billingsley – 1
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Sands – 2
Andre – 2
Kemp – 1
Loney – 1
Blake – 1
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sands- 1
Ethier-1
Kemp-3
Loney-1
Beard-2
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If anybody is a fan of the Sniper Trilogy…
Sniper : Reloaded went straight to video on April 26. Berenger is not in it though! boooo
Still on Frank's team!
in Sniper 2 Beckett could have anything in the world
if he agrees to this suicide mission. “Anything? I just want to die a Marine. Give me back my rank and I’ll do it”
Still on Frank's team!
Checks for Alex...
Furcal SS
Blake 3B
Ethier RF
Kemp CF
Gibbons LF
Loney 1B
Navarro C
Miles 2B
Kuroda P
Gibbons gets the
“tough” righties
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
mwahahahahaha
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Carroll needs a day off after a day off? If Miles start playing over Carroll against RHP I’ll spit blood.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It doesn't matter
Uribe will be back soon
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
wait...
didn’t carrol start in our last game?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Just as I predict Sands goes off, he sits against the dazzling Bronson Arroyo. I would be more sympathetic to Donnie if Gibbons was any good. Im upset.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers vs. Arroyo
PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP Aaron Miles 32 31 8 3 0 1 2 1 2 .258 .281 .452 .733 0 0 0 0 Rafael Furcal 29 28 7 0 0 0 0 1 2 .250 .276 .250 .526 0 0 0 0 Andre Ethier 27 25 7 3 0 1 3 2 5 .280 .333 .520 .853 0 0 0 0 James Loney 24 22 8 2 1 1 5 2 3 .364 .417 .682 1.098 0 0 0 0 Matt Kemp 19 17 6 0 0 2 3 2 3 .353 .421 .706 1.127 0 0 0 0 Casey Blake 18 16 6 1 0 0 0 2 4 .375 .444 .438 .882 0 0 0 0 Jay Gibbons 16 15 5 2 1 0 4 1 4 .333 .375 .600 .975 0 0 1 0 Jamey Carroll 13 10 1 0 0 0 0 3 3 .100 .308 .100 .408 0 0 0 0 Rod Barajas 11 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 Tony Gwynn 7 6 4 1 1 1 2 1 0 .667 .714 1.667 2.381 0 0 0 0 Ted Lilly 6 6 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 Clayton Kershaw 4 3 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .333 .333 .333 .667 1 0 0 0 Chad Billingsley 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 Jon Garland 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 Total 209 193 53 12 3 6 21 15 34 .275 .327 .461 .788 1 0 1 0
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The answer is
“matchups”
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
How awesome is that. I would never ever want to hit against Bronson again.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
When I was a kid he was my favorite actor.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sorry
but you might as well have said Charlie Chaplin
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Navarro has started 5 of the last 9 games.
Alternating the last four with Barajas.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Isn’t that because Golden Rod was hurt the previous Mon – Wednesday?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Fangraphs lists Barajas as a possible Catcher trade target
The BS
It isn’t clear that he’d add much to the Red Sox unless they want to give up on Salty. The Dodgers might not want to trade him to divisional rival San Francisco yet, but they’ll probably be out of the race soon, Barajas isn’t part of their future, and Dodgers GM Ned Colletti worked for Giants GM Brian Sabean prior to taking his current position. It’s not likely, but stranger things have happened. It wouldn’t cost much in talent, either, maybe a C prospect to take on a Benjie Molina-role for the rest of the year with Posey out.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I've been told this nonstop for 9 months
I’ll believe it when I see it.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No
probably why he’d be what we get back in this clusterfuck of a trade scenario.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Samurod OPS+: 78
Salty: 76
Okay, not non terrible, but just as bad as Barajas. Varitek probably would be better.
@andrewngrant
I feel like fangraphs is like
what proposed trade would make Dodger fans have aneurysms? And then went and wrote that thing.
“Hey, Giants lose their star catcher, which could prematurely end their season. Fuck that, get the catcher from the Dodgers! For nothing!”
“Hey, the Phillies need an OF! Why not the fan favorite Andre Ethier from the terrible and never contending Dodgers?”
Next they should suggest we trade Billz to the Reds for a high five.
Poor Deuce.
Is the high five of the Eiffel variety?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Usually you have to pay for that kind of action Cotton
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
by nolander on Jun 3, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other then the fact they feel we have little to offer in the NL Western race, if we are out of it, Golden Rod would be the first person I jettison.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I get the feeling that Donny really wants Navarro to take over and is uncomforatbly trotting Roddy out threre. I could see the Local Boy being dealt, but not to the Giants.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
they already
suggested Kemp to the Reds.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
My god.
The only way the Dodgers ever trade Kemp or Kershaw is if they suddenly turn into the Pirates.
@3_2count
well then, why not just give Billz to the Cardinals then. They’ll have a pitching need in the future.
Poor Deuce.
no, to the Yankees
they’ll give us anyone but Montero
(rolls eyes)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
we also need their version of bellasario for that deal to be plausible
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Joba?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s been fun to watch Ned become a red ass over the years after dealing with nothing but requests for Kemp, Kershaw and Billz….(please dont mention Santana)
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
but they’ll probably be out of the race soon,
When did Table and Joey Joe start writing for Fangraphs?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Theres a little Table and Joey Joe in all of us
deep down, in the darkest places we dare not name
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yes, but I do try to wipe well.
I’M JUST KIDDING Table and JJ.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 3, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s a niiiice guuuuyyyyy!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going
on Monday. Live half hour from Philly
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
www.minorleagueball.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Jun 3, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
on
a fourth inning grand slam by Jerry Sands
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
although Lee hasn’t pitched well of late.
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
www.minorleagueball.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Jun 3, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it mean 2 or 3?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Garland has performance clauses tied to playing time
Doubt he would want to go DL unless it was a real problem.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Good thing the Isotopes aren't at home this weekend
Huge wildfire in Arizona is pumping smoke into Albuquerque.
It has got better but this is how it looked last night about half an hour before sunset. That’s not my camera phone being blurry but the smoke from my backyard.
@3_2count
Everyone from Ar-Kansas should have to prove citizenship.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 3, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You were probably passing a Border Patrol checkpoint or something.
Also, police officers in NM aren’t supposed to ask about your citizenship during traffic stops (I’m a political reporter and, as you can imagine, this is a hot button issue every couple of years when elections come up).
@3_2count
Political Reporter – awesome, I’d ask you a question but …….. I’m not allowed to.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i wonder about that for me
i am quite mexican looking :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
For you, your tan line should be enough. ;-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
thankfully, when I get tan I get more gold than brown. My sister could easily pass as Latina.
Poor Deuce.
I get mistaken for Latino from time to time. More when I had the mustache though, I think. Occasionally I get taken for Filipino.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
they do in England too
BUT WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO SEE’EM?!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You are an Asiaphile, so your viewpoint may be biased.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It was…
Officer asked for DL and asked me where I was from
I said Arkansas, he just giggled and said have a nice day
Wait, don’t they ask for you drivers license whenever you’re pulled over anywhere?
And, yeah, drivers licenses aren’t proof of citizenship.
@3_2count
he didn’t really look at it.
Kind of going through the motions.
i think he was just asking a question and looking at the people in the car.
I think they’re more worried about people smuggling drugs down there than people being here illegally. Nothing they could really do about the latter anyway.
@3_2count
really?
mine worked
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
do you have ie7?
they just announced they are dropping support for 7
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Surprising, considering the other stuff you post from work.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 3, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really guys, IE? Come on!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
same
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I can download firefox without an issue, but I’m not sure it’d help me with stuff like, TBLA bogging down the browser at 300 comments.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I never have problems with TBLA bogging down due to comment level. Dell Latitude E6410 and Windows XP.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
XP as well, but HP Compaq dc7600. Couple months ago I talked them into giving me an extra gig stick of RAM. Oh, what a glorious day it was to run at 2,048MB of RAM.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
you're in IT or IS, right?
he’s in a place where he’s the only one with a business degree. in a business office.
Poor Deuce.
IT??? I AM INSULTED
;-)
I design real-time, embedded software. (Like what runs your cruise control, only much more complicated.)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I remember having only 1.5 gigs of ram
when I would regularly need 3+. Man there was some thrashing going on there.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
home computer has 16GB. I cry when I turn on my work computer.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
That seems like overkill :)
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I never have issues with FF here
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
At least we are allowed to use Firefox. Not automatically installed on the issued PC, but available from the company server.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'm required to have about 5 browsers installed
#firstworldproblems
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
what's your vector victor?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We may miss the Doc but we still have to face Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels, while the Phillies get to face Lilly, ???, Kuroda.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
two Lefties
Jerry’s time to shine! And Thames if he’s back.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
so don't be sad.....
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to go 3 – 3 on this group of games.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I want to go 7-0 in these 6 games
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Some may wonder how can you be a Clipper fan.
Since Staples opened, Laker Season Ticket’s have increased $5 every year making it $50 increase
Since Staples opened, Clipper Season Tickets have increased $5 making it a $5 increase
I know you get what you pay for, but for all the crap DTS gets, he treats his bread n butter right.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
One of my brothers best friends and his family are Clipper fans. When I confronted him on how the fuck can you be born and raised in LA (he was born in the 80s too mind you) can you NOT be a Lakers fan?? He said its was because his dad had Clippers season seats when they were kids. His dad is well off too, so sucks for him his life as a sports fan has been ruined because his dad is too cheap.
If you were born in the 80s
at best you could have a memory of the late 80s teams but more likely, you got a lot of Vlade, Nick and Eddie Jones until Shaq and Kobe arrived. Being confronted by endless Michael Jordan endorsements and Bulls’ titles makes me wonder how anyone could have become a Lakers fan until at least the late 90s again.
Certainly being a Clippers fan back at the Sports Arena took effort but they had some good players in those years.
I think your opinion is wrongheaded but then to each their own.
Well said Craig.
Laker fans act like the early 90’s never happened.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
and I guess for those under 25 it never did.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
well
for some of us the early 90’s did line up with our prime drinking and cavorting years
they may have happened, but I don’t remember her name
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
haha well there was alot of Bulls fans in school those days, I remember that. Only reason Lakers fell off in the 90s though was because Magic got HIV. Lakers always come back, they never stay down for long. Thats what is so great about being a Laker fan. Kobe could be gone today, and we’ll still be back in 5 years, maybe 10. Oh, and that team with Divac, Campbell, Ceballos, Van Exel, Jones, Peeler, Lynch, etc etc. Still better then any team the Clippers have ever had on the court haha
I’m LA born and raised. My teams are all LA. Well except for Raiders but they were LA when I became a fan. Now im just waiting for the Chargers to move to LA, and thats that with Al Davis. I hate the Angels, I hate them so bad. I hate all OC teams. Sorry if any of you are from the OC. Nothing personal, beautiful city and place to live. But fuck all the OC teams, but most of all the Angels. Trying to take over my city with your billboards and bus stop ads. The Angels could never be the Dodgers, its going to take alot more then 1 WS to come over here and try to take over our city.
But im also a believer its 1 team, per sport. Or 1 team pro, 1 team college. So even though Clippers, UCLA are LA, I dont like them, because im a Lakers and USC fan. I dont really hate the Clippers though, I just dont care for them. But they havent done anything to cause me to hate them, not yet anyways…. yeah I know, im crazy
1 division 1 team
2 divisions 2 teams.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
UCI is going to crush them tomorrow
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
We are quite opposite, I think the Raiders are the only So Cal team I’’ve ever not rooted for.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I first started liking the Raiders in ’70 or so, because it was OK to have an AFL and NFL team to root for.
Don’t really root for any NFL team anymore.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I hated the Raiders the day I realized I could hate sports franchises. I think it was because they were the arch rivals of KC, and KC became my team when they whupped the fucking Vikings who had beaten our Rams.
Though I did like the players, but hated the team.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Too small, too slow Fred Biletnikoff was what drew me at first, then the corners. I loved to pass cover in pickup touch football games. I think this was on the heels of the Jets winning the Super Bowl the year before the one you mention.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I became a Laker fan
post-Magic, when the Clippers were better, because I knew the Clipper organization was a joke and I liked the Laker tradition
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
But seriously, for the Clippers fans here, im on the new side, so I would like to hear your story on how, or why you became a Clippers fan. Was it because of ticket prices? Or was it you just wanted to be different? Didnt want to be like 99% of LA?
My dad took me to a Clippers game. First game I ever went to. Stuck with it.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I am contrarian. And I hate Phil and the triangle and the Bulls Dynasty with all my heart. That is why I left.
Still on Frank's team!
are you coming back then?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see right now
a kid around 10 or so being so much more intrigued by Blake Griffin than the veteran Laker team. Kids really don’t care as much about winning and especially don’t care at all about tradition.
That is why grabbing them while their young is important.
yes I agree with this. There will be a rise in Blake Griffin jerseys all over LA if not already. He will win over alot of kids to become Clipper fans forsure.
Just as you said, during the Magic era you could not get a ticket because the lower and 2nd bowls were sold out to season ticket holders. So we got Clipper Season Seats, then over a 21 year span you simply started caring more about the team you saw more of, but it was not until after the final Shaq/Kobe championship that I would actively root against the Lakers in a Clipper / Laker game. Since I’m very much an underdog type of fan it was easy to make the transition. I’m still a Laker fan but I used to life and die with Magic, I’ve never felt any connection with the Kobe led Lakers other then the first championship.
I also was not happy with how the Lakers treated me when they moved from the Forum to Staples. The Lakers could not have cared less if I remained a season ticket holder, the Clippers treated me like a king.
My story is much different then most Clipper fans.
1. Affordable games
2. Contrary
3. Underdog
4. Simply liked certain Clippers
The idea you have to be a Laker fan to enjoy basketball in LA is simply arrogance and a good enough reason for an excellent future Clipper / Laker rivalry. We have never had one, but last year it finally had some good sparks and I see no reason why it cannot evolve into a great one. One team is trending down, the other up.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’ve always rooted for the Clippers since they moved to LA and wanted them to do well and always got a little excited when they got the #1 draft pick or traded for Ron Harper etc…, figuring they’d eventually find the right combo of players, perhaps by luck and they’d be really good for a few years. I’m still waiting….
But I am a Lakers fan first and foremost. First game was at the Forum in the early 70s when Wilt was on the team. It was my birthday and they let me walk down on the court right next to the baseline and watch the Lakers warm up. I was scared. I was only something like 5 years old.
Thats cool man. Yeah too bad Lakers blew that 3-1 lead vs Suns, we could of had a Lakers vs Clippers 2nd round, but Lakers screwed that one up, go figure. For me it wasnt about the winning, it was the history, and wanting to be socially accepted haha. I was born in 78, so Lakers werent winning titles during my early die hard fan years. But once im a fan, thats it, there is no going back. For me the city, and the team, is what comes 1st. Thats why I never will not be a fan no matter who the coach is, or what player I dont like or whatever. I love Kobe, but my loyalty is always with the city of LA, and the team, everyone else comes and goes.
Sooo its true when I say Clipper fans are just fans that cant afford Laker tickets?? I cant really afford alot of Laker games either, but I rather just not go then go to a Clipper game. Sorry, just bein real
I think uschris is lucky the meercat is on an extended leave.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
where is he by the way? I was wondering that. He was my mentor when I 1st started, so I got love for the meercat. Why is he a Clippers fan? Were just having fun here. People like who they like, what can I say.
He isn’t saying anything that Josie didn’t say when she first showed up.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
not many people troll you outright. :)
I try but then I take the internet too seriously. It’s a problem.
Poor Deuce.
Some people just hate the whinyness of the Laker teams that won all those championships
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I want to be the leader, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I’m too cool to get in shape before the season.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
oh, this is Shaq you speak of…. yes I agree, which is why he got dealt with. Nobody works harder then Kobe….NO BOD Y
you can work hard and still be a big baby
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
kind of makes his point, don’t it?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
One guy having one bad moment
is clearly worse then a team that whined its way through 4 championships. I mean goodness how unhappy can you be with winning?!?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I’ll hang up and wait to hear Red Sox and Phillies fans answer off the air.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 3, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Our rotation just got better.
Our bench and bullpen just got worse.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Padilla gets activated
Rubby to rotation. No callup yet.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Besides the injury, why not Padilla to the rotation?
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Rubby is the future
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Bronson owns him anyways
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
figured we’d stick with the short bench instead of the 6 man pen with Rubby in the rotation.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Right but Padilla won’t be going 2-3 dominant innings at a time, especially not to start. He probably becomes a 1-2 inning guy, if not the “closer”, so you lose the possibility of throwing Rubby out there after the 6th and closing the door.
That being said, I’ll be at his first home start.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Rubby going three innings would have been rare anyway. I see no reason why Padilla won’t be the two-inning guy for now.
I just figure now when Uribe comes back they get rid of a hitter instead of a pitcher.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
The move won't happen until Thames comes back anyway
Believe me I was fully on board the 6-reliever train, but shit happens.
Garland just became trade bait
lets trade him for Chris Davis =p
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i'd do it
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Its for the best
since Kuroda is totally not retiring after this year and we need room for Rubby next year
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If slotted into Garland's spot
Rubby would face Oswalt on Tuesday.
UCI already up 2-0! Yeah!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
5-0!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If you lose you'll pick up an easy win against New Mexico
You’ll have a chance for revenge
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Well, you know how everyone wondered if the info should have been posted?
The answer was no.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I hope not too much trouble
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Andrew Lambo
is hitting .203 / .290 / .318 for Indianapolis (AAA). He turns 23 in August.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
His peak was that ten game period in AA at the end of the season when he was 19. He raked, and we ll took it as an indicator of future performance.
objects in the mirror of hope
are often fucking distorted
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 3, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
oh i'm sure he's hittin' it
it’s just not helping his baseball skills :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
YES
Dodgers
Mattingly: If Garland has to miss his next start with shoulder inflammation, it would likely be Rubby de la Rosa on Tuesday
so
he hasn’t been officially put on the DL yet.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
no kidding
never been on the DL before, now twice in once season.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I love to see prospects make it to the majors, but I hate to see another player head to the DL.
The Dodgers should invest in an effective strength and conditioning program.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 2:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
if it’s a shoulder issue, it’s not like Garland had a beautiful, pristine shoulder prior to this injury. Not sure what strength/conditioning would have done.
But I’ll lean on my gf to try and get a shadow gig on the trainers at DS.
Poor Deuce.
wasn't his shoulder
a source of concern for other teams in the offseason?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
From Dilbeck:
``I had a few teams that were a little worried about my MRI on my physical. They were a little weary (sic) about committing that much money over a few years when there’s so much up in the air, especially with starting pitching.’’
[snip]
Any 31-year-old pitcher who’s thrown over 2,000 innings isn’t likely to have the cleanest MRI on his shoulder, but apparently it was bad enough to frighten other teams away from a long-term contract.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I could swore that previewed right
The whole thing except “From Dilbeck:” is supposed to be block-quoted.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
On the otherhand
they gave Randy Wolf an incentive laden deal and he parlayed that into a multi-year deal with the Brewers.
I think anyone
with over 2000 innings in the bank would be a candidate to get hurt at almost anytime.
i agree
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 3, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW
there are only 9 guys since 2001 that have over 2000 innings and sub 4.50 ERA. Garland is one of them.
I’m not one to blame the organization because guys get hurt. It happens to every team.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but 14 different players on the DL before mid-June is alarming.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 2:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm curious what others think on this
Because with the injuries, I’ve never viewed it as anything more than bad luck.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Thames, Uribe, Furcal, Blake, Miles, Barajas, Garland I ignore because there were age, health or weight concerns to begin with. If there is a trend with the others, you start wondering about Conte.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Most of these guys are new too, so I doubt Conte could have had that much influence in the time they’ve been with the club. I figure most of these guys do what they’ve always done.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I would buy the “they aren’t on a good strength/conditioning program” if the younger guys were also getting injured at the same rate.
Kuo is on the DL due to the yips — can’t bench press that away.
Furcal was on the DL because of a broken thumb — he can still squat, so squatting MOAR can’t help
Broxton is an idiot.
Blake got an infection. Unless that infection comes from overworking or working incorrectly, not sure what Conte could do there, either.
Poor Deuce.
Strength and conditioning involves more then just weights and running.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 3, 2011 3:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No shit. I do strength and conditioning twice a week. My best friend in life is going to get her graduate degree in this.
But since my intended-to-be-humorous, tongue-in-cheek take is being dismissed, perhaps instead of saying OMG INJURIES WE NEED BETTER STRENGTH COACHEZ, you could please explain which injuries could have been avoided with an more-than-adequate conditioning plan.
The rash of oblique strains? Maybe. Hawksworth’s groin strain? Maybe, but I have my doubts. Gibbons’ eyes? Padilla’s arm nerve? Kuo’s psychological issues?
Broxton? Absolutely. Jansen? He didn’t tell Mattingly about his shoulder issues prior to his appearance immediately before going on the DL, and that seems to be more of a pride/dumb issue than strength/conditioning.
Poor Deuce.
Not like we have the Clipper training staff 4 – 6 is way better then 9 – 12, or forget about it, how about you get ready for next year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That’s actually what I was first thinking of. Everytime somebody gets injured you see 10 different fanposts about firing Jason Powell.
We know guys like Kaman and Camby milk injuries and Griffin broke his knee; no trainer in the world could have gotten him back quicker.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We also no that no matter the time frame, add some weeks to it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Ya, I blame the Clippers for that. They lie about it to sell tickets. I don’t think Powell’s incompetence causes setbacks.
by Michael White on Jun 3, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
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