Dirty Harry wants to know
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 30, 2011 6:01 AM PDT
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PrintNo doubt any chance for a postseason in 2011 has come and gone, but that is not what being a Dodger fan is all about. Anyone can be a front runner fan if they root for a team that has a chance to win on any given Sunday but it takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise.
I could wow you with all sorts of reasons to continue to root for this team and not give in to the negativity that currently envelops everything associated with the Ravine. From Matt Kemp's maturation into possibly the greatest outfielder in Los Angeles Dodger history, too Clayton Kershaw showing those who never saw Sandy Koufax or Fernando what it was like to see a southpaw dominant on a Dodger mound.
But why should I?
Being a fan cannot always be about winning, sometimes it has to be about losing. Some fans are going to lose interest and fade away,others will spit negative spiel on a daily basis as they try to cope with losing. The blame game will be the popular game of the summer .Still some fans will simply learn to enjoy each game as it comes as Henry has learned.
I realized that I don't live or die for the world series... I live and die for every game. that is the beauty of baseball, you might lose one day but you have 161 more chances to come back and win. I live for the Andre Ethier walk off or the Clayton Kershaw 13 strike out performances. I live for the memories... the Steve Finley grand slam in the ninth, Garciaparra's walkoff to capp off a four home run ninth. I have seen O dogs cycle, Paul LoDucas ( misspelled) season of greatness, and I remember when Brad Penny used to be good, or when Erik Gange had 81 saves in a row. That is why I watch Dodger baseball, because evey night can be great, every night can be a memory.
Henry has it right, every night can be a memory, even in a season as dismal as this. For many we only have to go back to 2005 to remember a season as bad as this one. Yet within that season who can forget the Hee Sop Choi home run weekend? The first battle of Broxton as he fanned Albert Pujols?
Okay Okay, 2005 was so bad that is all I have, I'm sure I had memories but time has obliterated them. Yet during 2005 we knew the Jacksonville five was percolating and better times awaited us in 2006. We also know that without 2005, the best lefthander to toe that rubber in 30 years would not be with us. That is how we can view this season, yes it is a missed opportunity given what the Klash kids are doing, but it is not meant to be this year. Some of us will have to be content with watching Rubby deal, Dee flash, Gwynn's defense, Navarro flail, Carroll walk, Miles smile, Blake wince, while waiting for Sands / Trayvon / Webster / Eovaldi to eventually bolster the forces. You prospect hounds can talk about first round picks with a new urgency since for the first time since 2006 we stand a good chance of getting a top ten pick. Also you selling lovers will now have four weeks to come up with every possible scenario for moving our veterans without the moderators questioning why.
So punks, what kind of fans are you going to be?
Well whatever type of fan you are going to be just remember it is better to commiserate with friends then drink alone.
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Good post
And no matter how many times they keep losing I’ll still be talking to my dad the next day everytime something good happens i.e. Kemp keeps it up or Kershaw throws another complete game. I live on the East Coast and I still turn my ps3 on to watch the game. I may not stay up as late as if they were in a division race but I still want a little Dodger baseball in me a few nights a week. Def right about 2005 being the reason we got CK too. I remember I went to spring training in Vero Beach in 2005 with my dad. We started off good that year too I believe and I remember telling Milton Bradley good luck when I talked to him in VB..thought I actually did give him and the team good luck.
I've never been to Dodger stadium
I almost want to go there this summer for vacation but just feel it would be better to wait a year or two so I might actually be able to experience a sell out or close to it.
by Dodgerblue8188 on Jun 30, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
"it takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise"
Reporting for duty, sir.
Let the Bison roam.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 30, 2011 6:28 AM PDT reply actions
I want the Dodgers to win every game they can
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 7:04 AM PDT reply actions
frustrating that after game 82, and probably around game 60, it’s pretty evident this is not a winning ballclub.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
very
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
We would currently have a higher pick than what we took Clayton at. Personally, I’ve said Logan White has put his reputation on the line with Zach Lee, which I still think is true, but even if a new owner comes in, with such a high pick I expect Logan to be the one who makes that decision.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I would love to see if Logan White can draft the same magic he did with Kershaw, although that was pure luck he was still there. The luckiest moment in that draft is that the Tigers thought Andrew Miller was only a couple months from being the next Justin Verlander. I just hope this team has ownership that is willing to spend on player development and not the old, fat and useless.
by dangerisland on Jun 30, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The Tigers weren’t the only team high on Miller. In retrospect, Brad Lincoln and Greg Reynolds look as bad, if not worse. I wouldn’t say that getting a top prospect at #7 is unexpected.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
This is just how the draft works
theres always going to be a guy you look back on and say wow, how did he fall past these guys when they took such crap.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Andrew Miller was the no doubt number one pick in that draft. The lucky thing was that the Royals didn’t take him so that he could slip to the Tigers.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Clayton Kershaw currently has a higher career K/9 with the Dodgers than sandy Koufax. I remember Phil and I discussing whether or not Clayton (9.4K/9 now) would pass Sandy (9.3). With Kershaw’s 9.9 so far this season, he has pushed ahead. I’m trying to use the B-R play index to find highest K/9 dodger career rates but am so far unable to solve the riddle of the PI front page.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
wow
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Impressive! But because the game was different then, and Koufax pitched so many more innings than Kershaw, Kershaw’s seasonal totals will never come close to Koufax.
by wonderphenom on Jun 30, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Sandy once struck out 382 batters in a season of 335.2 innings. Not only won’t he, but he shouldn’t.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Sandy’s elbow started to lock up soon after….
by wonderphenom on Jun 30, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't need Play Index for this necessarily
The franchise leaderboard page has it too. This is minimum 500 IP:
1) Eric Gagne 10.381
2) Clayton Kershaw 9.380
3) Sandy Koufax 9.277
4) Hideo Nomo 8.872
5) Chan Ho Park 8.282
6) Darren Dreifort 8.271
7) Chad Billingsley 8.174
8) Kevin Brown 8.086
9) Jim Brewer 7.358
10) Tim Belcher 7.068
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
100% in agreement!
Thank you, Phil. As a lifelong Dodger fan who’s spent half his life in San Francisco and Napa, it’s been a combination of challenge and nausea to live among Giants fans. And that’s been when they’ve sucked. You can imagine how the past 12 months have been for me since the post-All Star break implosion of last summer, and then the unthinkable events in October (I can’t even bring myself to say the words…)
But your posting is a great reminder to all of us (including the more rational and less arrogant Giants supporters) that we’re blessed to have this game and these teams to root for, and an awesome rivalry on top of it. The Dodgers will be back in the playoffs some day (hopefully soon), and in the mean time we at least know that we have some excitement to look forward to from Kemp, Kershaw, Ethier, Carroll (!), Bills, and the up-and-comers.
And payback will be a bitch for the gnats.
I'm with you
…as a Dodger fan in SF. Not fun right now. Wasn’t looking forward to the Dodger game I’m going to here in July but been hearing Giants fans say they’re worried about the Dodgers being spoilers, and that’s enough for me. Spoil away, Dodgers. I know they’re gonna try their best to do so at least.
Keep the faith, this year is tough but I believe the Dodgers aren’t that far away, indeed, from being a playoff team, as soon as next year, so Giants fans shouldn’t get too cocky.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
that's my goal for the year now
spoil the giants
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
of course I'd like them to spoil it for all the teams in the running bt the Giants clearly rank way ahead in that dept.
Sadly, a friend of mine offered me a ticket to join him for Giants Pads game here next week and that one would be tough for me. If Dodgers were closer to the top it would be a no brainer to root for Pads but now I’m also worried about them finishing last. :-/ And don’t like either team.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Sigh logically I should
but as embarrassing as everything has already been, finishing last will be even more embarrassing. i know, i know, 4th, 5th, what’s the diff if we get a better draft pick… but… man. but since i can’t root for giants in any fashion i would root for pads by default.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
we could finish in second and no one will remember in two years. I assume we finished last in 2005, but I couldn’t tell you for certain. Ricky Bobby was right: if you ain’t first, you’re last.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Colorado had a higher pick than us, so I assume they were last.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
lol greg reynolds
they had the 3rd pick
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Some Longoria guy went third. They took Reynolds second.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
right my bad
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
One of the great fails. They might have a World Championship if they had done it right. The one position of need they have had since Vinny left.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
they might have a couple, and the Giants might have one less.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Tulo and him manning the left side strikes me as awesome
as long as its not for an NL west team
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
They couldn’t extend Tulo, Longo AND CarGo, but they’d probably be smart enough to choose the correct two of that bunch, but who knows?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
longo makes peanuts
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
They wouldn’t have had the stones to sign him for 10 years nine days into his career.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
for 17.5 million? 44 including the options to get it to 9
I guess they wouldn’t even think to ask.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
everyone other then the rays failed until the dodgers
the draft can drive a man mad
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No, Rockies' bad.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Just look back 3 years
Dodgers were division champions. Giants had good young pitching, and no hitting. Things can change quickly.
by wonderphenom on Jun 30, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm still of the opinion
the Dodgers are one piece away from serious contention.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Add one big bat. Mix in a few more top prospects next year, maybe get a little luckier with injuries, and they are a contender again.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This is awesome
My wife and I met in 2005. The Dodgers made the playoffs in 2006, and were two games from the World Series in 2008, and 2009.
As a Yankees fan (NY native), she had no idea why this was such a big deal. For those of who are "younger’ (I’m 30), there have only been Two WS in our life time and we were very young.
But still, the Dodgers have had so many memorable events (good and bad) since 1988. All of the stuff Henry said above.
The good.
5 ROY in a row.
The greatness that was Russell Martin.
The fieryness that was Paul LoDuca.
Ethier’s hit streak.
Sean Green’s 6/6 game in Milwaukee.
Beltre’s career year.
Loney’s Chi-Town grandslam.
Mark Loretta’s base on (Matt Holliday’s) balls.
We still have Vin Scully, Tommy Lasorda, and Nancy Bea!!!!!
The bad.
The Yankees win 5 WS
The Angels win their first WS
The Giants win their first WS in California
Jason Schmidt
Andruw Jones
Barry Bonds breaks both records.
Brian Stow
Fox
Frank McCourt
Ned Colleti
Either way, I will always be a Dodgers fan. Win or lose, at least I don’t have to dress up like a pumpkin to route for my team.
Vegas MLB Trivia
There are four pitchers this season who’s team has been favored in Vegas every single time they’ve started. One of those four is falling by the way-side tonight. Without looking it up, can you name those four starting pitchers?
vr, Xei
Trivia
what is a trivia question without an answer? Aflacking
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I was just about to comment saying that I’m rather curious as to the answer.
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW, I like your answer of CC better than mine of Greinke.
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Answer:
CC, Halladay and Lee are correct answers. Nobody has got the 4th. Big hint. Today is the first day he is not favored. Also, I should have set a limit of 10 GS, as to not get pitchers who may have only made one or two starts.
You also should not ask a trivia question then disappear. Bad form
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Hamels is pitching against Lester, so I assume it’s one of them.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I’m thinking Hamels is favored today, so Lester is having the streak broken
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t bet the over or under, I bet the everyone. It’s foolproof!
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
In an hour or two, xeifrank will let us know the right answer.
This time, we can google it rather easily though.
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Phillie pitching is dealing against the powerful Sox. Yesterday Lackey was the only Sox to drive in run in the last 18 innings. Crazy
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I Must Care Because Mattingly Infuriates Me
I keep telling myself this team is flawed and will likely disappoint me more, but I loved watching RDLR grow by leaps and bounds yesterday, I keep seeing an All Star in Dee Gordon and while Mattingly makes me crazy with his lineups (Thames, Blake, Gwynn, etc…), I still think he deserves another shot. Yeah, I would love to see them win and get in the race, but that is my heart talking. My brain tells me they need to lose if only to crack the door wider to get rid of ownership and his stooges.
Even though I should not get so invested in this team, I find myself hoping that Ethier sheds his indifference on defense, that Furcal can stay healthy or Loney suddenly finds a power stroke. I know that is pie in the sky, but I felt the same way about Billy Ashley, Greg Brock, Mike Marshall, etc…. they all failed to meet my expectations, but that didn’t stop me from cheering for them
Casey Blake is a worse option then Miles and Uribe of course
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Thames has all of 60 PAs this year where he is bad
and years before this showing he is good. Gwynn is probably our best LF right now because of his defensive value.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Mike Marshall had a pretty good Dodger career (>100 OPS+ every year) and was an integral part of that 1988 World Series team. I was surprised to look back and see that Greg Brock was actually average or maybe slightly above. We sometimes forget in the moments that a top prospect being merely solid is actually a plus. Jose Offerfour, however…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I am finding quite a bit to watch this season even as it has imploded
and like 2005 it has forced me to look more deeply at the minor league system, for hope for the future. And I’m finding it.
I want the ownership situation to be resolved as we all do, limbo is a nightmare as much as anything, but can see beyond that to a happier future. And regardless, this is my team, and I will stick with them through thick and thin. No bandwagon here.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The minor leagues make baseball unique
For other sports, if your team sucks, you can only dream of what you might get with draft picks, and how they might influence next year. Baseball fans have the unique opportunity to follow upcoming players, who might make some sort of impact this year. It’s one reason baseball is my favorite sport.
by wonderphenom on Jun 30, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
But for fans of the NBA and NFL, those draft picks will contribute right away, some being impact professional stars. In MLB, those types of guys are once in a generation, and even then, health isn’t a guarantee (I’m looking at your Strasburg)
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
it's not necessarily true those NFL draft picks will contribute right away
not just 7th rounders but often 1st rounders, too, sit and learn for awhile… And there is often not much room for NBA rookies to make an impact on a lot of teams, and sometimes they take awhile to develop, too, or get playing time. some of them get sent to the NBA developmental league.
But i think the point in his comment above that I agree with is not about time frame, which I agree can take an awful long while for baseball players, too, and more about the ability to follow and watch the development of players in a separate situation. That is unique and special (and still problematic).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It depends strongly on position
WR, RBs O lineman LBs can often step in on day one and contribute. CBs QBs pass rushers tend to have a rough first year.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Generally but I've seen players from each of those positions (including wideout)
do more sitting than playing for a year or two. Depends on how complicated the offense playbook is, how much a team is lacking depth at those positions, etc. Yeah I think rookie RBs who actually make a team tend to get more playing time than most other positions.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Heard this! Buster Olney opines
on Dodgers situation and trade prospects…
(via MLBTR)
Gah… first of all Buster, Kemp is going nowhere and I can kinda guarantee that he’d be among the first order of business once ownership situation is resolved.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
For me, this season is about the young pitching and Matt Kemp. We now know that we have a legit 1-3 for the future in Kershaw, Billz, and Rubby. With the young guys we have in the minors putting up impressive numbers, we could have a pretty special all homegrown rotation in a few years.
On the offensive side, obviously we are a mess. Kemp has turned into the best player in baseball, and hopefully getting him to sign an extension is a huge priority. The rest of the year should be dedicated to seeing if Sands and/or Tray can be legit threats in the major league lineup. Sands should be playing everyday here because we suck without him and will suck with him.
Lastly, I’d love to draft a hitter in the first round next year. We’ll have a high pick and although i know nothing about the 2012 class, hopefully there will be a near ML ready player at or near the top.
as far as the draft in 2012
it would be kinda cool if we could find a college hitter that could be major league ready by 2013 kinda like Dustin Ackley with the Mariners.
by Dodgerblue8188 on Jun 30, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
he's a head case
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Age 27 superstar hitting free agency? He should top Mauer’s contract on the market.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
If you consider Matt Kemp do be Carlos Beltran, and Beltran signed a 7 year, 18mil per year deal in 2004, and that Jayson Werth with a similar skillset but 5 years his elder signed for what he got, it’s not a reach at all.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Yep. If Kemp keeps this up Mauer is a starting point.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
ask me july 21st
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i'm with you
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
ditto.
If still McCourt ownership going into next season, still in debt, then not confident. new ownership (or a McCourt is suddenly rich from TV contract and wanting to please fans ownership), very confident.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That was part of my question though. As of right now, what’s your gut?
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers have committed to three players in my life: Eric Karros, Darren Dreifort, and Chad Billingsley, have signed one nine digit contract, and the McCourts have never handed out a contract more than 44 million that they actually intended to pay.
On the bright side, maybe Kemp will be really terrible next year and we can afford him.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
History will not have a say in this.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
agreed, that doesn't have anything to do with the future, of matt kemp.
the future of the ownership will, however.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Dodgers offer Matt Kemp 3 years, 75 million.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
4 years 100 million
lets him get back on the market at 31
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The Ned special must be three years. No more, no less.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
true but this is a special case
fine, 3 years 90 million
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I'm not assuming Ned will be GM next off season...
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Wow
You seem to be easily the most confident on this board
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
First order of business if we get a new owner by the end of the season:
1) Extend Kemp
2) Extend Kershaw
3) Extend Ethier
4) Refurbish the Stadium infrastructure
5) Free Agent Splash
6) Big name front office signing
7) PR Circuit
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
1) New GM
then the rest
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
man, buying a team is expensive
if you assume a 800mil sale price, 100mil for Kemp, 60mil for Dre, 60 for Kershaw, it’s a billion dollars in committments before you even start free agency.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Yep. Which is why the dreams of Mark Cuban or Dennis Gilbert
and which is why Dre might be right after all, maybe he won’t be back (or at least gone after next year).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Along with Michaels’ question.
If do you do not believe that Matt Kemp is signable, would you swap Matt Kemp for Miggy Cabrera, knowing you would at least have your contract controlled 1st baseman?
Unlike Kershaw I think that Dodger management could move Kemp without a huge OMG because so many Dodger fans still associate Matt with lazy (as Maddz pointed to yesterday) and not with being one of the best players in baseball.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
if he won't extend
yes.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
detroit says no first
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No question. Miguel Cabrera does what Matt Kemp is doing now every year.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Swap Kemp for a top 5 hitter?
Yup, you’d have to do that.
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
This is funny only because I watched the game last night and saw Worley buzz Pedroia.
“He wouldn’t give me (an autograph) until I met him,” Worley said. “Then I threw one up and in on him so I probably won’t get it now.”
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I can't Imagine
NOT signing Kershaw or Kemp. Even though the ownership is a mess, I can’t imagine the PR nightmare or disgrace that will come by not signing these guys. This WILL get done. We are not the San Diego Padres here…
amazingly you have to have money to spend money
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
lol ok thats not true
you have to be able to con someone into giving you money to spend money, and nobody is giving McCourt that kind of cash right now
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
In one month Frank is either out, or he’s going to be allowed to negotiate a new TV deal. Either way, we either will get a new owner and the existing owner with more money. I still don’t think it matters, I think Matt Kemp is going to put himself on the market and see what people want to spend. JMO but I don’t think this is going to be about ownership, this is going to be about Matt knowing he’s in an unique situation where he’s young enough and talented enough to break the bank.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Are you old enough to remember Piazza?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
(sob)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The last guy that LA locked up that you could actually call a star is…I dunno, Steve Garvey?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t he traded before free agency?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
He signed a six-year, $60ish million extension before he was traded.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Tempted to tweet back to Bison?
RT @TheRealMattKemp Good morning. It’s good 2 be back home and have an off day. What should I do 2day?
Possible answers:
Buy the Dodgers?
Vote for self for all-star game 1000 times
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I thought it ended tonight?
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Ironically he’ll end up playing more than way.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
call your agent and tell him to negotiate you a long term contract with the dodgers
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Why don't they make the OF positions specific in the All-Star game?
I.e. you have to vote for a LF, CF, RF… Is there any downside to this? There aren’t really any guys who are worth voting for that don’t play exclusively in one OF spot. Having Ethier in CF for instance is stupid.
"Fast just got Faster"
at the very least they should differentiate between corner and CF
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If it’s good enough for Ted Williams, it’s good enough for me.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Imagine voting when the choices were Mays, Clemente, Robinson, Aaron, Stargell, Billy Williams
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Red Sox just punted their season
called up a Navarro to replace Cameron. Not as bad as when Cameron was replaced by 13.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
nobody could have predicted
giving a 7.5 million/yr contract to a 38 year old OF would be a bad idea
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 30, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
They’ll have to console themselves with their rings.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
next question is
which 9 figure outfielder FA are they going to sign to replace JD Drew?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 30, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought we had already decided it was Etheir
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
dont they need one for next season?
I guess if our GM was Jed Hoyer we’d have sent Dre to the Sox with a bow on by now…
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s nothing out there that seems Red Soxy. Maybe Fukudome or DeJesus?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Gammons says
they can’t add payroll
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
so then they can
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
he is
a duplicitous bastard :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Prospect Comparison
Who do you think will contribute more to the Dodgers if at all:
Sands vs. Robinson
Eovaldi vs. Webster
Martin vs. Withrow
Baldwin vs. Garcia
Gould vs. Lee
I figured these are similar type prospects at similar points in their careers.
Sands
Webster
Withrow
Baldwin
Gould (wild card pick)
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Sands
Ughh hard one, Webster
Withrow
Garcia – though also another hard one
Lee
by Julio Nievas on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The real question is who will be traded from this list
"Fast just got Faster"
I still think Eovaldi is the prime candidate....
Assuming the Dodgers are in striking distance next year.
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Prime candidate for ROY
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh. Maybe I’m late to the Eovaldi party. I’ve been stubbornly bearish on him for the past two years even though you guys are pointing out that he’s finally doing all the things (striking a lot of dudes out) that I used to bitch about him not doing.
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet you just have that image of him sucking from the 2010 Cal AS game
by Julio Nievas on Jun 30, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The only guy in the southern league who has been better than Eo is Matt Moore, baseball’s #1 or #2 pitching prospect. We’ll see how the season finishes out though.
"Fast just got Faster"
Keith Law
Was surprised neither Eo or Webby were selected for the Futures game.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 30, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
He just assumed McCourt couldn’t afford their airplane trip
by Julio Nievas on Jun 30, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
They didn’t like the way Kershaw was treated in 2007, stunted his growth.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You beat me to it!
Was just gonna link that. Great read, albeit a little exhausting.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Jun 30, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I completely missed Soboroff quiting
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
lmao.
Paid Vladimir Shpunt, an elderly Russian self-proclaimed "faith healer" who knew little about baseball, approximately $600k to send the team "V Energy" from his home in Boston. Yes, that’s a thing which really happened.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Great Post
Dodgers run deep for me in that generational way that i’m sure it does for many here. My experience as a fan has been enriched leaps and bounds thanks the internets. First the ESPN forums (seems so crude now), then Dodgeblues, Then Dodgerthoughts and now this era of TBLA. A baseball team is like an organism. We get to watch it develop from the minors up (thanks to Brandon Lennox, and other prospect smarties) and participate in a discourse that is one of kind. No other obsession is this multi-dimensional. Bad seasons are depressing, but I have a lot of faith in the future of this team thanks to the aforementioned bright spots. One big bat away I say. The discourse continues from there.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Even last place in the Major Leagues is a high level of athleticism, and fun to watch
But you had to bring up Hee Sop Choi? All I remember about that guy is he walked a lot and was otherwise horrible!
God it's going to be like post-showtime Lakers...
Anyone remember the glory days of Nick van Exel, Cedric Cebollas, and Vlade Divac? How long did that really last?
It has already been that for the last 23 years
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
like, six years dude. Bookended by ten championships
by Josie Becker on Jun 30, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. Us youngings don’t even remember the last Dodger championship
by Michael White on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
so sweet
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
That was my favorite time to be a Laker fan.
by silverwidow on Jun 30, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
The Elden Campbell years:)
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I bought Van Exel’s jersey. He was the shit.
by silverwidow on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Nick was a baller, and of course everyone forgets Eddie Jones
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I was a fan of the 1-2 yr rebuild after 2004 when they had Smush Parker.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Smush Parker is perhaps my least favorite Laker ever
by Eric Stephen on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
My fondest Laker memories are of the Nick van Exel/Eddie Jones Lakers.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Eddie would do his thing for three quarters and then disappear but Nick the Stick would finish it with balls of steel.
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I was always sad that the Kobe-Shaq years weren’t a change, they were a revolution. Would have liked someone from those 90s teams to earn a ring
by Josie Becker on Jun 30, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Instead the only memory for those folk is Kobe throwing up air balls
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
took so long for Kobe to win me over. And even then I wasn’t really sold, just happy bout the championships
by Josie Becker on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup, that shot at the Boston Garden was incredible. Also the one in San Antonio.
by silverwidow on Jun 30, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Weird but I understand, they were fun to watch
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by meercatjohn on Jun 30, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I watch every game no matter what!
Great post, I will always be a Dodger fan!
Love the name on the front..
Not the standings, and definitely not the owner. Once the game starts, nothing else seems to matter, and I just enjoy the past-time for what it is. I will always love the Dodgers, no matter who is dragging them through the dirt
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