A Look at the Dodgers 2011 Draft - Part 3 (Potential 1st Round Picks)
by Brandon Lennox on Jun 6, 2011 9:00 AM PDT
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The 2011 MLB draft is today, and the Dodgers hold the 16th overall pick this year. Due to the supplemental/sandwich round in between the 1st and 2nd rounds the Dodgers next pick is #73, and their 3rd round pick will be #103 overall. Then from rounds 4 - 50 the Dodgers have the 13th pick each round.
In the first part of my draft series I looked at previous Dodger picks that are eligible for the draft, and in part two I posted the draftable players who have Dodger or baseball bloodlines.
Today, we are going to focus on the Dodgers 1st round pick and look at the potential players the team might target at #16. The #16 pick is the earliest that the Dodgers get to select since 2008, when they took Ethan Martin at #15 overall. Past history tells us that the Dodgers will take a high school player with their first selection, which is what the team has done in 8 of the past 10 years (with 7 of those 8 high school players being pitchers; Loney being the lone exception). However due to the ownership controversy things are a little more cloudy this year, especially because high school pitchers are generally more expensive to sign than college players because they have more leverage. That being said, baseball's current collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of this season, and one of the topics of discussion is implementing a hard slotting system into the draft. Therefore, many experts believe that players will be more willing to sign this year than usual because a discounted deal in 2011 will probably still be higher than a potential slotted bonus in the future.
So, who are some candidates for the Dodgers 1st round pick? I'll look at quite a few possibilities, sorted by position and level.
High School Pitchers: As mentioned high school pitchers is where the Dodgers usually go with their 1st round pick, but this year could be different. There seem to be a few players who are clearly out of reach, but anything is possible so I'm including those guys as well.
- Archie Bradley - RHP - The 6'4" Bradley would normally be a classic Dodger 1st round pick, but he has recently floated bonus demands of around $20M. While he won't get that much, he appears to have out-priced the Dodgers who are going to pretty much have to stick to slot according to various sources. Bradley has had some late helium, hitting 101 mph on the radar gun during a playoff game and showing plus secondary stuff, so he'll probably get selected prior to #16 anyways. He also has a scholarship offer to play quarterback at Oklahoma which complicates matters even more. He's a pitcher I would love to have in the system, but it's almost guaranteed that it won't happen.
- Taylor Guerrieri - RHP - Guerrieri is another high school right hander who may or may not be available at pick #16. Entering his senior year his fastball was in the low 90's but he was clocked at 98 mph this past season and is rising up the draft charts. He's 6'3", 180 lbs, and is supposed to be the 3rd best high school pitcher in the draft in terms of pure stuff. Even if he gets to the Dodgers at #16 he still might be too expensive.
- Robert Stephenson - RHP - Stephenson is from Alhambra high school, but it's not the Alhambra most of us think of near LA but is instead in Northern California. Like other pitchers already mentioned Robert throws in the low to mid 90's (hitting as high as 97 mph), and has developing secondary stuff; with a curveball that has the chance to become plus at the next level. He's thought of more as a late 1st round pick, which might make him more attractive to the Dodgers as he could be willing to sign for less than some of the upper tier talent. His name has been linked to the Dodgers quite a bit recently and is my guess for who the Dodgers take at #16.
- Daniel Norris - LHP - As late as November Norris was rated by Baseball America as the 2nd best high school player in this draft, but his stock has dipped slightly since then and it looks like he'll be available at #16. He throws in the low 90's and can hit 96 mph, and is a lefty that stands at 6'3". He's committed to Clemson and recently has thrown around bonus demands of $4M, so while he is solid arm he might not be a great fit for LA.
- Henry Owens - LHP - Owens is a local high school kid from Huntington Beach who stands at 6'7". He's been mentioned as a potential 2011 1st round pick since his junior season, although recent mock drafts have him going toward the end of the 1st round. He can hit 94 but sits mostly in the low 90's, and he has a lot of secondary pitches although none appear to be plus pitches at this point.
- Jose Fernandez - RHP - Fernandez made it to the US from Cuba as a teenager, and there is some concern that he is older than his listed age of 18. That being said he has an 98 mph fastball and a hard curveball, and also has a lot of confidence in his pitches. He's predicted to go in the bottom of the 1st round and shouldn't be too expensive, so it's possible the Dodgers will try to get him for straight slot money at #16. A few recent mock drafts have the Dodgers taking Fernandez, and he actually makes a lot of sense all things considered.
- Dillon Howard - RHP - Howard is the top high school player in Arkansas, but he isn't necessarily a guaranteed 1st round pick. Still his name has been associated with the Dodgers maybe because like Stephenson he'll sign cheaper that other top high school pitchers. His fastball gets up to 94 mph and has good sink, and his secondary stuff is good yet inconsistent.
College Pitchers: College pitchers are generally cheaper than their prep counterparts, which lead a lot of people to believe that it makes sense for the Dodgers to take a college arm from this year's deep pool.
- Matt Barnes - RHP - Should the Dodgers go with a college arm, there's a good chance they'll take Barnes if he's still available at #16. Barnes is 6'4" and had a 1.12 ERA at Connecticut during the regular season (112.1 innings). He throws in the mid 90's and has a solid pitcher's frame, but given his outstanding season there is little reason to believe he'll be on the board when the Dodgers pick.
- Tyler Anderson - LHP - Anderson is a 6'4" lefty out of Oregon who should be around when the Dodgers pick. He's had a great junior season, but would likely sign for a decent price so he could be a good fit. He also has a great pitcher's frame and throws in the low 90's with above average movement. He also has a solid slider and an above-average changeup.
- Jed Bradley - LHP - I've seen Bradley go anywhere from #5 to #25 in recent mock drafts, so it will be interesting to see if he's still available at #16 for the Dodgers. He's another tall college lefty who can touch 95 mph and has a great pitching frame. He has two good secondary pitches in a slider and changeup.
- Anthony Meo - RHP - The Dodgers were linked to Meo in a few early mock drafts, but recently his stock has dropped and he is no longer seen as a true 1st round talent. He has an upper 90's fastball and a strong slider, but some think he is destined to be a reliever. He still could be a potential pick at #16 since he'd probably sign for slot money.
- Matt Purke - LHP - Before his injury Purke was considered one of the top 3 talents in the draft, but now he might not even get picked in the 1st round. Since there is now a good chance he'll still be available at #16, could the Dodgers take a chance on him and try and use his injury to get him to sign for slot money? It's highly unlikely, especially since he is just a sophomore, but you never know.
High School Position Players: There aren't a whole lot of options here that the Dodgers would actually consider because most high school hitters with 1st round talent are firmly committed to college or are asking for a big bonus.
- Francisco Lindor - SS - Lindor is considered the best shortstop in the draft, so there is a good chance he'll be a top 10 pick. Should he somehow fall to the Dodgers at #16, the Dodgers would probably scoop him up since you can never have too many good shortstop prospects in your system. He's a great defender and a good hitter, but his power is a question mark. Despite his accolades I don't think he'd require a crazy bonus, but again I don't expect him to be available when we pick anyways.
- Javier Baez - SS/3B - A couple of recent mock drafts have the Dodgers picking Baez at #16, but that's assuming that he'll still be available. Baez has better offensive tools than Lindor, including plus raw power, but he might outgrow the shortstop position. He would be a great player for our system and while I'm sure he's asking for an over-slot bonus I'm guessing he'd probably sign at the deadline for slot money.
College Position Players: The Dodgers haven't spent a 1st round pick on a college position player since they selected Bubby Crosby out of Rice in 1998. I don't see them going that route this year either, but you never know.
- C.J. Cron - 1B/C - This is probably a stretch as the Dodgers most likely take a pitcher, but if they do go for a position player who will sign for a decent price they might go with Cron. The power hitter from Utah had 15 homers and a .434 average during the 2011 college season and would give the Dodgers the power hitting 1st baseman their minor league system lacks. He also has baseball bloodlines, and his raw power is ranked by some scouts as an 80 on the 20-80 scale.
- Kolten Wong - 2B - I wouldn't really be excited about a pick like this because I like players with more upside, but Wong is a talented player who reminds me a bit of Shane Victorino. He he is a spray hitter with moderate power and has a great approach at the plate. The Dodgers also don't really have a 2B prospect in their system besides Ivan De Jesus, so I guess this could make sense.
- Levi Michael - SS - Michael is like a souped up version of Jake Lemmerman, and even comes from the same conference as the played his college ball at North Carolina. There is no guarantee that he'll stay at shortstop, and while he doesn't really have any plus plus tools, he does have solid tools across the board.
So two questions to consider. First, who do you want the Dodgers to take with their 1st round pick? Second, what is your guess for who the Dodgers will actually take at #16?
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i don't think they officially announce the amounts
but i’m guessing around $1.4M. Last year’s #16 pick signed for only $1.06M, but he was an overdraft that signed for cheaper
by Brandon Lennox on Jun 6, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
college bats
seem like the safest bet in the draft
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Yeah, I’m high on Cron too. Ha
by Julio Nievas on Jun 6, 2011 9:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i believe there's an h in there
I’m high on Chron
by stevesaxaphone on Jun 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
To G.Scott in the last thread
Four-game sweeps are rare, and nearly impossible to predict (of course). Pitching matchups for COL series:
THU: Kershaw v. Chacin
FRI: Bills v. Hammel
SAT: Lills v. Mortensen
SUN: Rubby v. Ubaldo
The Dodgers are so predicatable in the draft...
…that they’ll likely take one of the prep pitchers (which isn’t bad). I’m not as up on the draft as others, but from what I’ve been reading the past week or so, any of the high-upside high school pitchers (Stephenson, Guerrieri, Fernandez, etc.) would be fine with me. However, I’d like to see the Dodgers land Baez (like you said, if he’s there — probably No. 1 on my board).
If the Dodgers want to take some kind of risk, they could opt for Cron. Not that he’s a big risk, but it’s definitely not be the norm for a Logan White-run draft. I didn’t realize his raw power was an 80. That’s intriguing. He doesn’t offer much in the way of versatility (R/R 1B), but at least you know what you’re getting. He could be on the fast track to the bigs as a college player.
I'm not high on Fernandez
Don’t really admire high school pitches that have already filled their frame. Plus his mechanics look really bad as he doesn’t use much of his hips and legs and uses pure arm. He’s like Stetson Allie last year
by Julio Nievas on Jun 6, 2011 9:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
TBLA 25 Points for nailing the Dodgers 1st round pick
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Matt Summers
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Joe Ross
Austin Hedges and Tyler Goeddel are all potential top 3 round picks that are committed to UCLA. Of the three, I think Hedges is the most likely to accept the bonus money this draft.
Taylor Guerreri is my first pick
Followed by: Javy Baez, Robert Stephenson, Joe Ross, Henry Owens, Levi Michael, Mikie Mahtook, and Daniel Norris.
If we draft any of these players, were good.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 6, 2011 9:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Front page Daily News article pimping Dennis Gilbert as the White Knight to save the Dodgers.
We could do worse.
If I knew right now that Gilbert would be the new owner I’d throw my hat in for Frank selling the team.
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The perils of writing about baseball while watching basketball. I mentioned in the SBN LA piece that Kemp could join the 20/20 club (something only done 12 times in Dodgers history) by the All-Star break, but I wrote “by halftime.” D’oh.
When I saw them, my question was why? Practice?
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much like recreating Gibson’s HR with a video game, I had an “artistic” itch and I wanted to see if I scratch it : )
Why not?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If we never remade originals, we wouldn’t have the new Oceans 11. It’s just an art fancy, not a crime against sports history.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Colorizing and re-making movies have about as much in common as my fastball and yours.
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You are right
colorizing is much more harmless
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I’d like to know who gave Cron an 80 in power. Scouts don’t like to throw around that 80 number a whole lot.
here is his writeup from baseball america
Power numbers are way down in college baseball this year because of less-potent bats, but don’t tell that to Cron, who was batting .448/.520/.855 with 14 home runs in 165 at-bats for Utah. His father Chris played in the big leagues and has managed in the minor leagues since 1995, so C.J. has grown up around the game. He has come through the amateur ranks as a catcher, but he’s just serviceable behind the plate and has not played there this season because of an injury to his throwing shoulder and his days as a catcher may be over. He doesn’t move well at first base and is a bottom-of-the-scale runner, but that’s all right because he’s the best all-around hitter in the country and should have no problem producing the numbers teams expect from a first baseman. Cron has the unique combination of pure hitting ability and power. He projects to be an above-average hitter and has legitimate 80 raw power on the 20-80 scale that translates into at least above-average usable power. He has great hand-eye coordination and the strength in his hands to drive good pitches for singles and doubles. He uses a good approach at the plate and makes adjustments well, so he should move quickly through a team’s system.
by Brandon Lennox on Jun 6, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Those numbers be crazy
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
he came out last week and told teams not to draft him
because he said that he is going to college for sure. I know that doesn’t always mean he’ll actually go to college, but given the Dodgers situation and the bonus amount it would take to sign him there is pretty much no chance we draft him, so i didn’t include him here
by Brandon Lennox on Jun 6, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
from what I remember Lee's was more of an assumed thing that he'd go to college
He didn’t actually send a letter to all teams telling them not to draft him like Bell did. and of course the whole staying to slot thing comes way more into play this year than last year
by Brandon Lennox on Jun 6, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Thought this was interesting
I saw a tweet from David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, with this fact. The bottom four in NL OPS includes two players involved in a rather large trade this winter:
78) Omar Infante .597 (.253/.294/.303, 64 OPS+)
79)
80) Dan Uggla .552 (.172/.240/.312, 52 OPS+)
81)
Uggla has the worst average in the majors, even lower than Adam (.179/.320/.315) Dunn.
My question to you is: who are the other two in the bottom four in the NL in OPS this season.
Ibanez,
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shot in the dark
at one point he was really bad, but I figured he had probs gotten better
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These are the only four guys in the NL under .600. In case you were wondering, Loney is 76th, at .604.
I think you win
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Yep
He is dead last, with a .520 OPS (.218/.243/.277, 44 OPS+).
There are actually two worse players in the AL, if you can believe it.
Chone Figgins?
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Good thing he doesn’t make much money.
Oh wait………
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#6org
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen, #6org.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Yup
but boy oh boy have they built a pitching staff
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yup
that’s why they can trade King Felix to the Yankees for prospects
/massmediajokedon’tkillmephil
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Like the Dodgers they might be only a left fielder away from being someone you wouldn’t take lightly. Amazing how a pitching staff looks when they have Brendan Ryan playing SS behind them.
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so
we trade for Beltran? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
and
I saw them battle back against the Rays yesterday, good on them.
Surprised that Ichiro isn’t hitting like himself, but I suspect he’ll end up like he usually does.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Picks
Who I want: Baez
Who I think will be picked: Guerrieri or Stephenson
Intriguing me more my the minute: Cron
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
I keep hearing his name
like Arnold saying “Crom!” from Conan the Barbarian
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
YES!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
he is better then billz
immpressive
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Bauer
I think is going to end up being the best pitcher from this draft.
from this
if Baez and Guerrieri are gone by our pick, I want Cron
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Has BA ever nailed who we have drafted?
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my advice
mock the mock
I suppose they are good for general info and bored time reading, but otherwise who cares what they say??
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I find Mocks mostly useful for finding out
who is likely to be available when we pick, and what kind of value we got from our pick(like if the guy was supposedly top 10 but we got him at 16). Other then that Mocks are never right.
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yeah - fair
that is what I meant by the general info
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice Kemp write-up, Eric
Is Kemp being noticed much by national writers? I was a little surprised at the respect shown by the Fox announcers on Saturday, but I guess that doesn’t indicate much. Does SB Nation do a roundup or overview?
For that matter, does anyone have any idea what proportion of voting for All Star positions is just fans voting for players on their own team, and maybe not even bothering to vote for positions where their own team has no real contenders? The 25-votes-per-fan seems to encourage this behavior, otherwise why not one-vote-per-fan? It seems a really bad system, though I guess that the players’ votes compensates somewhat. The whole system seems crazy to me.
I know this question isn’t directed at me, but I was sad to see that Neyer didn’t include Kemp in his MLB Weekend write up.
Poor Deuce.
yup
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Neyer also didn’t think Kemp was worthy of being mentioned as the CF of the decade.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
:(
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t seem to make myself care
I try, but I can’t
I only care that I get to watch Matt Kemp play
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Usually I would agree
but it would probably mean a lot to Kemp to start the all star game, and he has earned it, and right now is on the outside looking in.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I believe he'll be on the team
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
He will be
but he should be starting, and right now will not be
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I would love for Matt to get everything that makes Matty happy
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The Fox crew included Brennerman who has seen Kemp destroy his team every year he’s played. He’s hit 11 total home runs, 8 in 92 plate appearances at Great America Park. They know who he is.
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And Karros, who is still a Dodger at heart. They are a pretty Dodgers-friendly team for the National Media.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
heh
Funny, because I think his team affilation made him have some tough love. He was being brutally honest about the team on Saturday. The offense especially.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed. But he also gave credit where credit was due (i.e. Kemp-ward)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I enjoyed the broadcast crew, Karros was not saying anything that was not true. For the most part anyway, when you talk all day anyone is going to say some stupid things.
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I liked it too. I actually don't mind Karros.
I agreed with everything he was saying.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
oh for sure
i just thought it was funny that he was being THAT candid about it. Like he was really disappointed and wanted them to be better. At least that’s how I saw it
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Neyer seems to ignore Kemp completely.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I don’t have much of a problem with the fans voting for the starters. For the most part, generally the nationally popular players will fare the best, though some cities tend to do well in stuffing the ballot box (I’m thinking of St. Louis, and maybe Philly in recent years, though it may be cyclical).
The only time it was really a problem was in 1957, when the fans in Cincinnati took advantage of the newspaper promotion and stuffed the ballot box, electing Reds to start in 7 of the 8 positions. Commissioner Ford Frick stepped in and made Hank Aaron and Willie Mays starters.
I wonder
if Selig will do that if the Yankees remain in the lead. :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Slot Money
If it is true that MLB has to approve Dodger expenses, does that mean that they will not allow the Dodgers to go over slot on their picks?
pretty much
I think the same thing happened with the Rangers last year..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably depends on degree. Texas had a $6 million deal with 2009 #14 pick Matt Purke, but that blew the slot recommendation away so MLB (overseeing the finances by that point) said no way.
If the pick is somewhat over slot, it wouldn’t surprise me to see MLB approve it. They will just wait until the last minute to announce it.
Approving and having the money for the bonus are two different things. If the owner is making payroll by the skin of his skinny skin skins, where is the bonus money coming from? If Frank going to sell more bonds for these bonuses for a team he seems less and less likely to own?
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we may never know....
what MLB may have already told the Dodgers and Logan White. I’d hate to think they would affect how Logan drafts.
my fist pick is BPA...
Based on who is expected to be available…it would be…
#1…Norris..LHP who throws 96 LHP who throw this hard is rare..plus he may have 2 other plus pitches..
followed by Stephenson or JBaez..3b/ssBoth Baez and Guerrerri have received comments about “off field issues”..not White 1st rd pick style.
slot money...
If we keep total $$ within slot who cares about 1st rd pick being slightly over???
maybe we don’t take as many people later?
Cole seemed obvious to me
they really need more pitching amirite?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Always. I think if they had our farm pitching they’d be cntenders within 2 years.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
They have Taillon and Heredia
not much experience there but their ceilings are better than any of our pitchers with the possible exception of Lee
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Also had not heard that. Only team who can get away with letting the world know who they want to take is the team at #1 overall and only for that pick. Unless of course they want to fuck with whoever has #2-6.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
You mean SB Nation LA isn’t your second stop in the morning, after True Blue LA?
For shame!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Too much Kings and Laker news
I need a filter
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First time the site has ever been accused of having too much hockey content.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
its like 4% too much kings
and 96% too much lakers :-p
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most pitchers drafted #1
don’t pan out, not a good track record…Price and Strasburg look to change that, forecast is muddled of course on Stras. I think the Bucs should go with Starling or Rendon.
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barring injury
Strasburg will be fine. I realize I haven’t watched as much baseball as some guys here, but Strasburg may have the most killer breaking stuff I’ve ever seen. Combining that with a high 90s to 100MPH FB, dude is killer.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
In the broadcast the other day, Steiner said the Dodgers have three surefire all-stars in Kemp, Ethier and Kershaw. I think at this point, Carroll would be more likely to make the team than Ethier.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
NL 2B — Phillips, Weeks, ?
NL SS — Tulo, Reyes, ?
NL OF — Braun, Bruce, Holliday, Kemp, Berkman, Pence, ?
I think Carroll is as likely to be in contention for a MI spot as Ethier for an OF spot, especially with McCutchen likely to be the PIT rep and so on. Dre only has 5 HRs, which is what would keep him from being added.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Hanley Ramirez almost surely makes the team. Not sure they need more than 6 outfielders.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Josh Johnson is due back this week. He’s a lock.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
.210, 4, 17 Surely?
And I expect probably 7 OFs, with Cutch.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Speaking of Hanley
He was placed on the DL today with a left back strain.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
Hell, Ethier could still get voted on.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Etheir is 4th in OF voting
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Andre has the advantage of having been there before, plus when he destroys June, he will also be deserving.
1. 30 game hit streak
2. All-Star in 2010
3. Shiny batting average
Might get it done, but I don’t see the Dodgers getting three, so I agree, Kershaw and Kemp.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The only way Carroll would make it is in an Omar Infante BS way
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Less blowups on national TV might help
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I thought it was interesting
that the CG kept being brought up when he was pitching lights out with 9 Ks…and as soon as he had his meltdown, the CG was nowhere to be seen.
Poor Deuce.
I think Bochy puts him on the team
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The greater Matt Kemp’s 2011 season the less likely he will remain a Dodger after 2012?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
He's staying
Confident the Dodgers will have new owners by spring training.
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The greater Matt Kemp’s 2011 season the less likely he will remain a Dodger after 2012?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m with Nolij, though not about Ethier. Like Eric I think Kemp, Ethier and Kershaw all get signed this offseason, but the more expensive Kemp gets, the less likely I see a return of Kuroda being. Which, as much as I like the guy, I think we’d be okay giving the ball to Rubby instead.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
indeed
though I love Kuroda. When he’s on, dude is incredible.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Garland probably won't be back either
need a number 5
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Book of Webster
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Brochure of Zach.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
FWIW Keith Law has Tyler Anderson going to the Dodgers in his mock draft, but also mentions he is hearing the Dodgers are more and more linked to Stanford LHP Chris Reed.
Ooh! Can I make one up too? I’m hearing the Dodgers are linked to Dante Bichette, Jr.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
These guys (Law, Goldstein, Callis) aren’t making stuff up. They are all pretty well connected within baseball.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I still like my thinking that any information these guys get is either improperly leaked by underlings or is misleading information designed to throw off other teams.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
If that was true it would be obvious by now
which writers have bad sources and which ones have good sources. There are certainly writers out there who have a rep for just being a mouthpiece for the team and leaking what the team wants them too.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I think they are making stuff up when it comes to the Dodgers since they have never hit it right with them. Logan always goes against the grain. They might be connected, but I like how Logan seems to have a group who does not feed external information.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
until they post internet fanposts :)
I don’t know that he goes against the grain as much as he knows what cut of steak he likes and keeps ordering the same thing.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 6, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll believe it when I see it
Drafting a closer? We already have 200 candidates.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Even after a three game losing streak, being 5 – 5, the Phillies still boast the best record in baseball, 2nd best home record in baseball, and easily the best rotation in baseball.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
sneak peek
of the series preview?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
So you’re saying Lee/Oswalt/Hamels might fare better against the Dodgers than Ricky Nolasco, Jason Hammel, Clayton Mortensen, and Travis Wood?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Things I did not know until today
Dodgers: 93 OPS+, 90 wRC+
Phillies: 90 OPS+, 90 wRC+
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
So we are going to win 13-2
2-1 1-0. No problem
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
They have missed Utley and Werth a great deal, though the current replacement for Werth is doing the job.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They’re missing Greg Dobbs more than they’re missing Werth so far.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Silly comment
Dobbs would be sitting on the bench in Philly just as he did every year in Philly.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
All of our comments are silly. We’re playing in the toybox of journalism.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I just read some fool
on FanGraphs who had an elaborate scenario worked out for Kemp to the Phillies for 2 prospects! The ultimate insult would be him going to THAT team, the guy was fucking dreaming. I guess people think we’re just gonna have a fire sale, and the stigma of Kemp being immature and inconsistent is apparently still being propagated by some.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
yes, they are fools
pay them no heed.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Kemp was so immature this weekend beating the shit out of the Reds.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
ha
he posted it on June 1, just a user comment but it was laying out all the motivations for the deal. Felt like logging in and saying “Don’t waste another second thinking about it.”
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Motivation: I want Matt Kemp. Dodgers dumb team, will give for peanuts.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 6, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Cubs dumb
give us Zambrano and A Ram
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
and take back a first baseman in the deal even though you already have Pena.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Casey Blake’s OPS is only .006 behind their best guy’s OPS
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
all right minded fans
have a soft spot for the beard
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm pretty sure Wilson grew his beard
as a sign of rememberance of the man who defeated him.
Like Bill the Butcher pulling his eye out, only less extreme.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
anybody named William Blake
gets the nod from me, especially when he outplays someone named Carlos Santana in 2011
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William Blake?!
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 6, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/blakeca01.shtml
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 6, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Velocity
So if some pimply-faced high school kid can sit on, say 94, how much improvement can we expect when he’s old enough to shave?
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
I don’t think much. Velocity will start to go down by the time they make it to the majors.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
some of us were pimply faced
with a beard
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
FYI
The beard was not hiding it from us.
Still on Frank's team!
by delias man on Jun 6, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL, no kidding.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
though I wasn’t really full beard until after high school
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m glad I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read this
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
you're telling me
ugh
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
For 25 TBLA Points
which Philly with over 50 plate appearances has the highest OPS+
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wilson Valdez
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope - Ha Ha - 61 OPS+
but an infinity ERA+
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Amir Garrett is definitely an interesting prospect
Top 50 basketball commit and he throws low 90’s. Im curious as to which route he takes
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
Most passes ever to break teammates’ fingers
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve confirmed with multiple team sources that A’s pitcher Brett Anderson is heading back to the Bay Area to get his left elbow checked. It makes sense, given Anderson’s dip in velocity with both his fastball and slider recently. I don’t know anything beyond this right now but will update as I gather more information …
did they ever
get Andrew Bailey back?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go ahead and take Kershaw in the Kershaw v. Anderson debate.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I read this as “Tyler Anderson” at first, as in Dodgers 2011 first round pick.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Saw him in person last week vs Yankees and there was definitely something off with him
would not surprise me at all.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Roy Oswalt is only putting up a 5.8 dominance this year, down from 8.2 in 2010.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
So if you are wrong for 10 years, but right in year 11 you can claim victory?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
he hasn't rolled that yet
give him time to find his dice
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roy Oswalt is evolving!!!
Roy Oswalt has evolved into Jon Garland!!!
[celebratory music]
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 6, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oswalt uses knee high fastball
it’s super effective
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, but why the huge jump to 8.2 in 2010 after being around 6.8 for most of his career, then dropped down to 5.8 in 2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I keep hearing 2010
was the year of the pitcher :)
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I should have not used the word “dominance”. My fault
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I just don’t know the context for some of those HQ stats, that’s all.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Old friend Cory Wade just made a 9 pitch 3-up 3-down inning.
Unfortunately for him, it was in Durham.
by Riffraffselbow on Jun 6, 2011 10:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Guerreri is intriguing but am predicting Stephenson or Fernandez for Dodgers
In my hopeless stab at this contest. I’ve only familiarized myself with some of these guys, and only recently, thanks in part to this site and some scouting reports. A few of the college guys I’m more familiar with but I just can’t see White breaking form and taking a college pitcher. (Though, as others have noted, if he were ever to break form this could be the year for it.)
I’d love Lindor to fall but don’t think he will. Or Norris, but don’t see that happening either. (Of course we didn’t see the Dodgers drafting, nor signing, Zach Lee. But this year the team is even worse off financially…)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
“but Wong is a talented player who reminds me a bit of Shane Victorino”
Really? I wonder if that’s because they’re both Hawaiian………
I would like Tyler Anderson, Javier Baez, Jose Fernandez, or Henry Owens, though Robert Stephenson would be OK too. Of course if Bradley, Guerrieri, or whomever else unexpectedly falls to the Dodgers, I would want them to find a way to make it happen financially.
Bradley
sounds like a typical Logan White pick in a normal year, if he lasted that long. Love the report on him.
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The more I think about Cron
The more I want Cron.
by Riffraffselbow on Jun 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Lambo
might have some free time to score you some.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Part of it
Is probably the improbability of it.
by Riffraffselbow on Jun 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The Dodgers could try
using the infinite improbability drive, though they may end up with a whale instead.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Better than the “lift drumstick from bucket to mouth” popularized by Mike Fetters.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 6, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
you can buy drumsticks in buckets?! I like the ones with caramel on the inside.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
people used to eat this thing called “Fried Chicken” It was made unpopular within the last 5 years.
Still on Frank's team!
Ice cream in a bucket – million dollar idea.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jun 6, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
x
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
heh
that flick
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Stephenson, Norris, and Baez
are my faves for the Dodgers first pick. I’m fine with either of those three if they’re still available. Cron also intrigues me because he’s the kind of bat that could finally solve their offensive drought at 1B once and for all, lol. The only other player in this draft I could think of that may fall to them that might be worth a look is Jed Bradley. Not sure what his asking price would be though…
Which reminds me...
it was hilarious last year how so many people wanted Austin Wilson, and when they drafted Lee, everyone started freaking out over them punting the pick.
@foryourhandicap
LOS ANGELES (KABC) — Former New York Mets star Lenny Dykstra was charged with 23 felony counts, the district attorney’s office announced on Monday.
The 48-year-old is charged with attempted grand theft auto and filing false financial statements for trying to lease cars with phony information. He has also been charged with drug possession.
Authorities say they found cocaine, ecstasy and a synthetic human-growth hormone at his home in Encino following his arrest on April 14.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/sports/pro/baseball&id=8173407
Loney sits
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Cliff Lee isn't a tough enough lefty to sit Loney?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
right my bad
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Or Sands is gone and it doesn't matter
righto.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
did we already make the up/down roster moves? should i have read something?
by Josie Becker on Jun 6, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
but I want it noooooooooooooooooow
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
From David Schoenfield of ESPN, one hell of a draft haul
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/11946/68-dodgers-still-have-greatest-draft-ever
Will be hard to top that one.
(h/t Jon Weisman on Twitter)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
their starter was kinda floating em in there, i got a first pitch fastbal up in the zone and hit it hard to the centerfielder for what was probably a single with an error rather than a double. If I had any loft on it at all it would have gotten out there a ways, though I doubt I have more than warning track power. second at bat had a 6 pitch walk, last at bat singled through the left side off my buddy. Was a fun day. 2-2 we’ll say 2 singles and a walk. I have a little trick I was taught for training your eyes to pick up baseballs from a pitcher. Whenever we hit those burbank cages I’ll let you in on the secret :)
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
look forward to any tricks this old dog can learn
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/6/6/2209482/bet-the-under-phillie-preview
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