Dodgers Bet On Youth, Keep Jerry Sands, Promote Dee Gordon
by Eric Stephen on Jun 6, 2011 1:15 PM PDT
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In today's game preview of the opening game with the Phillies, I had planned to list the three Dodgers activations (Juan Uribe, Marcus Thames, Blake Hawksworth) as a footnote, as the corresponding moves seemed obvious: in addition to Ivan DeJesus and John Ely, rookie outfielder Jerry Sands was headed to Albuquerque.
Only that didn't happen.
It's fitting that on the day of the MLB draft, the Dodgers have bet on youth. Not only did the Dodgers keep Sands, a how of faith for someone hitting .210/.301/.345 but at times showing promise, but they brought up shortstop Dee Gordon as well. To make room, both Jay Gibbons and Juan Castro were designated for assignment, in addition to DeJesus getting optioned. This is literally stunning to me.
Anyway, on to the regular preview, as scheduled...
The Dodgers have won three straight series, but now have to face the best team in the National League as they travel to their personal hell, otherwise known as the city of Philadelphia. There has been no brotherly love in the last three years when the Dodgers travel to Citizens Bank Park:
- 2008: 0-6 (swept in four games in regular season, then lost the first two games of the NLCS)
- 2009: 2-4 (won the regular season series 2-1, but lost the final three games of the NLCS)
- 2010: 1-2 (Dodgers had a 9-2 lead in the eighth inning of the third game of the series, but...yeah)
That's three wins and 12 losses in the past three seasons. But don't worry, the Dodgers don't have to face Roy Halladay during this series. They just get Messrs. Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels.
Today's pitching matchup features a pair of former Expos*, and two of the top five in strikeout-to-walk ratio in the National League. Ted Lilly, with 12 walks and 49 strikeouts (4.08) in 70 1/3 innings this season, ranking fifth. Lee ranks second at 4.74, with 90 strikeouts and 19 walks in 80 innings.
In Lilly's last three starts, he is 1-0 with a 2.70 ERA, with two walks and 15 strikeouts in 20 innings. In his career, he has made six starts against the Phillies, and is 1-4 with a 5.91 ERA. Ryan Howard is 4-for-14 in his career against Lilly, but those four hits included a double and two home runs. Lilly has had better success against fellow lefties Raul Ibanez (3-for-14, .695 OPS) and Chase Utley (3-for-11, .697 OPS).
Lee has faced the Dodgers just twice in his career, including the playoffs, and has allowed just one run in 15 1/3 innings. He is coming off one of his worst starts of the season, allowing six runs in 5 1/3 innings against Washington. Lee has done much better at home this season. In six starts at CBP, Lee is 3-1 with a 2.72 ERA with seven walks and 51 strikeouts in 43 innings.
Literally no current Dodger has had career success against Lee. The only one with more than one hit off Lee is Juan Castro, who is 2-for-11, but Castro is now history. Castro is one of two Dodgers (as of this morning!) with a double off Lee, and the other is Dioner Navarro, though that is his only hit in 16 at-bats. Both catchers are a combined 1-for-28 off Lee, with a hit by pitch (by Rod Barajas, his only time on base against Lee).
*Lee never actually pitched for Montreal, as he was drafted in 2000 but was traded to Cleveland in the Bartolo Colon deal in 2002, the year Lee made his MLB debut.
Howard & Counting Stats
It seems with Ryan Howard, much of the talk surrounding the lumbering slugger is about how bad he is. Sure, his contract is atrocious -- the five-year, $125 million deal won't kick in until next season, and pays Howard for ages 32-36 -- but the anti-Howard noise is a little too loud at times. I suppose though that it's the natural reflex when a player is generally overrated by the national media, which Howard has been (overshadowing a better teammate in this case, in Chase Utley).
However, it's easy to see why Howard gets hyped by traditional media: it's all about the traditional stats. Howard has put up ridiculous home runs and RBI totals ever since he came up. In fact, Howard has put those numbers up more than almost everyone at this stage of his career. Here are the top home run and RBI totals through 933 games, which is the number Howard has played so far, since 1939:
| Most Home Runs & RBI Through First 933 Career Games, Since 1939 | ||||
| Player | HR | Player | RBI | |
| Ryan Howard | 265 | Ted Williams | 795 | |
| Ralph Kiner | 259 | Ryan Howard | 794 | |
| Harmon Killebrew | 257 | Juan Gonzalez | 769 | |
| Albert Pujols | 250 | Manny Ramirez | 769 | |
| Juan Gonzalez | 248 | Albert Belle | 762 | |
Lineups
Look at all those right-handed hitters!
| Dodgers | Phillies | |||
| SS | Carroll | CF | Victorino | |
| 2B | Miles | 3B | Polanco | |
| LF | Thames | 2B | Utley | |
| CF | Kemp | 1B | Howard | |
| 3B | Uribe |
LF | Francisco | |
| 1B | Blake | C | Ruiz | |
| RF | Sands |
RF | Brown | |
| C | Barajas | SS | Valdez | |
| P | Lilly | P | Lee | |
Game Time: 4:10 p.m.
TV: KCAL
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Wish Dee and Rubby were making their debuts at DS so I could go watch :(
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
i wanna go
to Rubby’s first start at DS
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of tickets
anyone wants 2 infield reserve tickets section 9 for June 14 I have them available.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Won’t Garland be back by then?
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Well
I guess if Garland isn’t ready by then, he could come off the DL that Friday but I am guessing he would have to pitch one rehab start.
+1!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Had to be
didn’t he miss something like all of ‘42-’44? Then time for Korea too! Ted Williams was a badass.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jun 6, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
still love that he homered in his last AB of his career
so awesome
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Williams definitely
shot down more planes during his first 933 games than those other guys.
by bhsportsguy on Jun 6, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Heh
The only one with more than one hit off Lee is Juan Castro, who is 2-for-11. Castro is one of two current Dodgers with a double off Lee,
Facts that stop being facts in minutes. ;-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
speaking of which
RT @dodgers: Classy move, as expected – Juan Castro among the first to congratulate Dee Gordon, who takes his place on the roster. #Dodgers
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(were Castro and Dee's dad ever teammates btw? too lazy to look it up)
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I am zee short stop uhv thee ’Topes!
/Clouseau
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I read that as "Rousseau"
and found myself wondering how the crazy rifle chick from LOST made her way into the Dodgers’ farm system.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
So……………….
Is Dee Gordon here to play or pinch run?
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i kinda wonder about something like this…..
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Methinks you’d be better off leaving him in AA in you wanted his trade value to stay up.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this imply that they expect Rafy’s stint to be a long one?
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So when the starting lineup looks like
Loney, Uribe, Carroll, Blake, Sands/Thames, Kemp, Ethier, Barajas
How will we feel that the LH bench bats are Gwynn, Miles, Navarro and Gordon?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Good speed on the pine there
with Gwynn and Dee…versatility too, I guess, what with the switch hitting-ness of Miles and Navarro.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
If they could get on base
A lineup that had Gwynn and Gordon starting could wreak havoc.
It'll be awesoke
to watch Kemp triple them in after ‘Dre gets HBP’d. :-)
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Gutsy moves
I commend management for the courage they showed here. The less courageous would have gone the safer route.
At the beginning of the year a lot of talk about this team was about how aggressive we were on the basepaths. Then all the injuries came and Gwynn (rightfully so) was no longer starting. I’m hoping Gordon does well just for the fact that I want to see some of that aggressive base running again.
I doubt we’ll see Gordon starting ever. He’s basically the 25th guy on the roster right now and will come in to pinch run only, maybe getting a few innings here and there, I would think.
@3_2count
I’ll take that bet.
I don’t see the urgency to call up a guy to be the 2nd pinch runner on the 25 man roster.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Then who sees their playing time significantly cut? Carroll, Uribe, Blake? I know Miles will be barely seen, but you still have four players for three positions (2b,3b,ss).
He'll be the next Dodger to get a save.
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by underdog on Jun 6, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carroll IMO
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
So Dee Gordon > Jamey Carroll, rest of 2011 at SS in your opinion taking both offense/defense into account?
Are you asking playing time or performance?
Performance, no I don’t think Gordon will be better than Carroll.
Playing time, I don’t think they called up Gordon to sit, and they can play Carroll at 2B for Uribe occasionally too. Also, they would prefer Carroll not play every day.
I think Gordon can be better than Carroll defensively, but I don’t think Gordon will come close to JC offensively.
Do we need to worry about burning options or super two status etc… Or only if he (DG) stays up for the rest of the year? How does that work?
If he stays up:
No option burnt.
Yes, slim chance at super 2
If he doesn’t stay up:
Option Burn
No chance at Super 2
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
right
but if they send him back down, they can then call him back up and send him back down as much as they want this year with that option.
Poor Deuce.
Correct. Since he wasn’t on the 40 man, he hasn’t yet burned an option.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Almost 0 risk at Super Two
There are 115 days left in the season.
I believe the lowest Super Two ever had 2 years, 129 days, or somewhere around there.
But don’t those keep getting lower and lower because all teams are trying to game that system?
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
If we care a few years from now about this option year being spent then it was a GREAT decision. I would only hope for such an optimistic result that we’d care.
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I don’t follow. That means in a few years he won’t be good enough to have a secure spot on the 25 man.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant Super Two arbitration wise.
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Apparently everyone has a higher opinion of the way the Dodgers will handle this than I do.
@3_2count
If it was someone like IDJ (who showed something in AAA but was never a top prospect) then I could see them using him like you predict. I just don’t see them doing that with Gordon. This organization thinks highly of Gordon and they aren’t going to want him to ride the pine and get rusty.
Oh don't worry
The way our season is going he’ll get hit by a pitch and break some bones in his hand in his first at bat. Our karma will bring some sort of negativity with this good move.
Jay Gibbons
The Primate reached base in 3 of 4 PAs in his last game as a Dodger. Sure, twice was by HBP….
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Jeeez
I go to lunch and Dee Gordon makes the big club.
Now I am even more bummed that I can not watch this series, damn KCAL games. Some time soon there will be a DSN (DodgerSportsNetwork) or some owner will be allowed to sign the FoxSports contract and all game swill be available to me.
"Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he's losing; nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead."
Sorry dude. Your loss is my gain
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you get ESPN?
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yes, but they follow the LA blackout rules
so most likely I will get “alternate programming”
"Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he's losing; nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead."
by MammothDodger on Jun 6, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh, bummer
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I also checked MLB.tv once again
and they think my IP is in LA (actually Mid-Wilshire) so that will not work either. As I have said many time MLB blackout rules are very arcane.
"Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he's losing; nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead."
by MammothDodger on Jun 6, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
oh well.
These games will probably suck anyway. ;-)
(But regardless there will now be more intrigue about them, more reason to watch…)
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yea I am used to it
I just di not expect a lineup like we may see tomorrow with Sands and Dee playing and Rubby on the hill to happen quite this soon. I hope they all do well and stick around into late June early July when I will have several chances to see them at the stadium
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by MammothDodger on Jun 6, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
too bad Castro was #3
and not # 6 or else it would conjure up Jimi Hendrix
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I asked Kevin Goldstein via Twitter
for a reasonable expectation for Dee the rest of the year if he stays. KG said .267/.303/.348, which seems kind of high. But if he does that, cool.
That’s basically what he slugged last year in Chatanooga. He’s only slugging .370 in ABQ. That’s a very aggresive projection.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So long Juan Castro, Sinaloa Cowboy
Thanks for that leadoff single in the 11th Saturday, perhaps your last PA as a Dodger, and in the majors.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You have to respect the guy staying around this long
If nothing else. Vaya con dios Juan.
by lchristmas on Jun 6, 2011 1:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
WTF?
Is this just until Uribe & Thames come back or something?
they are both back
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
same here
i was looking forward to a Sept. call up for Gordon, but this is exciting
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
makes me wonder
if Carroll talked with Donny and told him that playing every day is taking its toll..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 6, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Carroll isn't going to say that
but that’s what Mattingly and the coaching staff thinks.
Mattingly would prefer Carroll as a bench guy, starting a few times a week.
Very puzzled myself
This essentially will cost Carroll plenty of playing time, right when he’s one of our best on base threats.
Maybe they go something of a platoon at SS, with Gordon starting against RHP and Carroll against LHP. Who knows?
Platoon could be done all over the place
Navarro/Loney/Uribe/Gordon/Blake vs. RHP Sands/Kemp/Ethier OF
Barajas/Sands/Uribe/Carroll/Blake vs. LHP Thames/Kemp/Ethier OF
Also, an option.
I'll be the hater
Dee Gordon’s wOBA in freaking Albequerque is .327. He could put up Alcides Escobar type numbers in the major leagues.
Sands is struggling to hit in the majors, I expect next to nothing from Gordon.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but he can put up Alcides Escobar type defense….
While Stephen Drewing every third ball.
@andrewngrant
Ya, I didn’t want to say one way or the other on defense. I know it used to be bad, I hear from the minor league reports it is now good. At least he’s a true SS as opposed to Carrol and Miles.
But Uribe should be playing SS ahead of Carroll and Miles anyway.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
I think the organization decided Raffy is gone after this year, so this is Gordons audition for 2012. If he can play good D and not be completely useless with the bat, he’s here to stay.
@andrewngrant
Table could get his wish, easy to see Rafy getting traded if Dee shows anything.
Reds could use him.
Tigers could use him at 2nd
Plenty of teams could use him.
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reportedly
they are not fond of his Defense
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
/raffy straightens up, attacks gopher 20 feet from first base with throw
by lchristmas on Jun 6, 2011 2:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I am crazy excited. Slow Pitch Softball tonight followed with a beer and the Dodger game!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
In Slow Pitch? I can play anywhere. I am playing for a new team, so they have been putting me in RC, but I kept my mouth shut. I think I am the new SS starting tonight. Just got done pitching for another team the last three seasons
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
stupid internet with your lack of tone
i meant that with the affirmative “i see” tone
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
yay!
you don’t have to deal with your mlb.tv freaking out on you again!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
My emotions upon seeing the lineup
1) Yay, Sands is still here!
2) Oh fuck, Sands is in RF, is Ethier going on the DL? (like Alex felt as well)
Few minutes…
3) Gibbons DFA? Wow, didn’t see that coming, but understand that they want to keep an extra infielder (Castro)?
30 second…
4) GORDON TOO? HOLY FUCKING SHIT
what a day!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I shudder to think of the other alternative. We got hot and we’re still way out. If Ned has been told they can’t add payroll at the deadline, maybe his thinking is that if we can’t add the pieces we need, we’re not likely to win anyway, so let’s just see what the kids can do. If they get the job done, great. If not, we’re in a better position in 2012 before the earth explodes.
To be clear, I do not endorse this plan or even think that is necessarily Ned’s thinking, but still…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I do remember saying yesterday
I didn’t think Sands was gonna get sent down because there’s nothing for him to learn there and there’s no one in the organization who could do astronomically better at his job. So I’m not stunned, I’m smug : )
I do remember saying yesterday
I didn’t think Sands was gonna get sent down because there’s nothing for him to learn there and there’s no one in the organization who could do astronomically better at his job. So I’m not stunned, I’m smug : )
that’s how smug you are. ;)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Gibbons
Anyone think there’s a possibility he’ll accept his assignment to AAA and have already talked to management about possibly getting called back up if Sands continues to struggle for the next month. Assuming he performs in AAA?
I doubt he’ll be picked up and added to any teams major league roster.
Yea, if he clears waivers, I can’t see him not accepting it. Dude wants to keep playing. I would
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not true
if they were great, they could clearly see they were in fucking Albuquerque.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I have been told by my Texas friend that I would love Austin
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by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s got a great music scene, a munch of stuff films there, good BBQ and Tex-Mex, a top tier university, and it doesn’t cost $1mill to buy a house : )
Don’t be fooled by the house prices. Austin is not cheap, and unlike Cal they don’t have the property tax tied into the selling price. The property taxes in Austin change the real estate landscape quite a bit. You could pay 10,000 a year for a 300,000 house depending on what bonds they have passed in the community.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Top of my checklist for answering the question if I’d like to live somewhere is.
1. Average temperature and humidity on August 1st.
2. Average temperature on January 15th.
weeds out quite a few places.
The Nard?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 6, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not as terrible as it used to be but...
still kind of a big dump, if you ask me. Ventura is nice, though. Kind of the cheaper SB.
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Depends which part and why it has to be Oxnard when there are so many better and close by alternatives.
because
she likes hte new development places and i may be getting a job in SB and she has her business in LA.
we are also looking at cheapie cheap places in SB. one can only dream.
Tough spot.
Great for the gig in SB, tough that she has to remain rooted in Los Angeles. The drive for both of you will suck.
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well
she doesnt have to stay rooted here… its a photography business so a lot of gigs would be here and OC/SD, but that would be doable.
fingers still crossed on the SB gig for me thou, would be a dream come true thou, my literal dream job i used to joke about having one day when i was still in HS
The nice parts of Oxnard are only marginally closer to LA than affordable nice parts of Ventura (which on the whole is much nicer)
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheapest beach community in California South of San Francisco?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I grew up in Ventura. It is much, much nicer than Oxnard, but stay away from the Avenue (downtown area) and Montalvo area. Oxnard would be somewhat Ok if you stayed on the north end. Schools won’t be great in Oxnard so if you have kids that could be a problem. Oxnard doesn’t have the greatest freeway access, depending on which part you are in. Camarillo (easy metrolink access) is another option. Carp is very expensive, just like SB.
im not too worried about schools because my job would be for a school so i should be able to smuggle my future kids in to wherever im teaching.
but good to know about both ventura and oxnard. i knew someone lviign in camarillo and they liked it but they also had like 4 kids so they needed the space. we are looking at some tiny SB condos which I like and may be rentable in the future. same with carp.
Lived in Carp for two years…it was amazing
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
when was that?
i bet we have some mutual friends from there haha
i never knew carp too well, again I was a homegrown SB snob but I have some friends from that area who love it and relaly – its not far from SB and super chilled out
Jeff sounds familiar, and so does Emily, but I think it is just a coincidence with someone else I know
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by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s the only beach community south of san francisco. Also, SF is nothing close to cheap. It’s no laguna, but the COL there is crazy.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Did I say anywhere that SF was cheap?
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Cheapest beach community south of San Francisco implies San Francisco is the nearest cheap beach community.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
No, he was just setting geographic benchmarks
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus close vicinity to Mountains and Deserts.
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Sopapillas.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Green chile enchiladas and green chile breakfast burritos. That is all you need to know about Albuquerque.
@3_2count
My father’s side is from all over the state. I’m well versed in New Mexican culture and I don’t like it one bit. There are exactly 0 things I like better about New Mexico than Southern California.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Not being a fan of people, I probably stray the other way
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If only Vegas could have found the money to build a new stadium. I think the Dodgers would have stayed there.
I don’t actually know the reasoning behind them going back to Alb. I never looked into it.
Because the facilities in Las Vegas were terrible.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
This. And there is a history and real fan support on the moon.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
A ball kid taking a dump on the fence?
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Seriously, get that kid a chair
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I would rather have Gibbons then Miles
otherwise, I’m lovin it
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i know that everyone will be wondering so I should clear this up right away
i will not be doing a prospect ranking review for Dee Gordon because he was a top 10 prospect from the time he was drafted….at least in my book. I had him #9 pre-2009, #1 pre 2010, and #3 heading into this season. I only do those reviews for guys who came out of nowhere.
Glad I got that off my chest
Gordon
Carroll
Loney
Kemp
Ethier
Sands
Uribe
Barajas
hm…
Gordon
Carroll
Ethier
Kemp
Sands
Loney
Uribe
Barajas
…….
Gordon
Carroll
Sands
Kemp
Ethier
Uribe
Oeltjen
Pitcher
Ellis
hm………..
I’m not entirely sure why Loney would hit 3rd and Ethier 5th.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
well if you want to know.....
I’m just going by The Book
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
They missed Lance Carter. Was next best thing.
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I’m not sure where the “season is being punted now that Gordon is being called up” sentiment is coming from. It’s just now June, the Dodgers are only 5.5 games back, and to read some comments from earlier, you’d think that Juan Castro had some horrible communicable disease from how badly everyone wanted him off the roster.
I have no idea why this move was made, but it certainly is exciting.
Poor Deuce.
I never got this impression
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Who has made this comment that we respect?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
bold move
I misread one of Udog’s comments in which he said that the games will be terrible (I think he really just meant the series in Philly) and added Nolij’s comment above:
We got hot and we’re still way out. If Ned has been told they can’t add payroll at the deadline, maybe his thinking is that if we can’t add the pieces we need, we’re not likely to win anyway, so let’s just see what the kids can do. If they get the job done, great. If not, we’re in a better position in 2012 before the earth explodes.
Poor Deuce.
I had a sentence before and after the parts you quoted.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
TBLA - Sixty Minutes
we edit it until we it says what we want it to say
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You don’t endorse the plan but than add “but still”. So what? Isn’t that also reflected in “maybe his thinking”? I found it redundant to include with the above quote if you think that Ned’s thinking might be something that looks like punting the season. Notice I said it was addressing your comment not “And then Nolij said this is exactly what is happening omg omg”
Poor Deuce.
I think it’s a possibility that Ned is, for the first time in his career, willing to accept the possibility of not being a buyer. I don’t think that’s the same as punting. It’s more like he’s running a play toward the middle of the field that may break for a first down, but at the very least puts him in better position for a field goal.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Oh I definitely just meant the games in Philly
(and I actually think they will be close for the most part). Am definitely not punting on the season.
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USC
was just stripped of their 2004 BCS National Title
That'll help
“Reggie Bush getting paid $100,000 per year to be the part time manager of LA area construction company. Construction company owned by USC alum. "
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
In Reggie’s case pay him $100K or whatever amount to play college football. Let the third string defensive back atleast get a job at the library.
I prefer just removing the restrictions to enter the NFL or NBA. They want to get paid to play football? Let them. They want to be students? They get scholarships but that’s it.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh
no one is taking football players straight from high school into the NFL. They’ll still need a couple years in college.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No way the PA lets that happen
They fought the original age restriction tooth and nail…can’t see them letting another get tacked on in addition.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Judging from past NBA players association maneuvers, the only thing they have say over is the type of pillow they rest their head on as they bend over during negotiations.
True enough
Semi-related inquiry: does the fact that the majority of NBA teams are losing money help or hinder the players’ case against a lockout?
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
“We want more money!”
“We’re losing money as it is. How about we go out of business?”
“We want more money!”
have I correctly transcribed negotiations to this point?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Sounds about right to me. Oh, and Latrell Spreewell popped by to remind the owners that he needs to feed his family.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Clarett and Williams absolutely could have played.
Also, if they want to get paid, can’t they play in the USFL or whatever that second rate league is?
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither of them showed they could play when they got their shots in the NFL.
Williams finally grew up and showed something last year.
Unfortunately both of those guys spent their time being suspended by eating themselves into oblivion.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Willimas who?
There are no less then fifty million good NFL players named Williams
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The USC one who declared for the draft back when Clarett sued to get in.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
RB and WR might be the only ones who could make the leap
And even then most of them wouldn’t be ready to straight from high school.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The NFL prefers to let the players develop while in college. The NBA almost ruined itself with all the crappy high school players that kept getting drafted.
Okay, then let the NFL pay their expenses.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Meaning having pay to play scandals where Heisman’s and BCS title’s are stripped?
Okay, I don’t really care either way. I was just reacting to xeifrank’s suggestion
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, details that are beyond my level of litigation skills would have to be worked out. But the status quo seems ridiculous to me. Kind of like putting kids in jail for jay-walking. :) Well, stripping titles because some kid got paid. That seems ridiculous to me when the kids are pulling in millions for the schools/ncaa.
wait this seriously happened?
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No. I just assume that’s what would happen.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Paid by whom? And I assume we are paying all student-athletes in this case?
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The schools can play their coaches 6 million a year
I think they can afford to pony up SOME cash for the kids
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Some schools can, and sure those schools would have no problem paying for blue chip recruits.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever.
I was at all those games, and know we kicked everyone’s ass.
Of course…your opponents were comprised of actual amateurs.
/I’m just trolling you now
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh. I do think that OSU was pretty unlucky that they had teams with future NFLers Derek Anderson and Steven Jackson but never made a serious run at a Rose Bowl because USC was on a whole other level at the time. Had that happened in the last 2 years, they would have certainly gone.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Draft class of 2008 looking better all the time
So far this year:
Sands, Lindblom, Gordon
Still to come (?)
Eovaldi, Webster, Russell, Martin
Gad
how whack does it look to see Russell comma Martin?
Yup, could be Logans best draft ever even with the number one and two blowing chunks. Remarkable really
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Russell, Martin
I don’t like seeing those two names side-by-side anymore, even when separated by a comma…
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Speaking of Alcides Escobar
I hate players that have his progression.
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I might be really good!
I’m ok! I Suck! I really really suck!
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I had previously thought that Dee Gordon would need a vet to spell him against lefties, Gordon struggled mightily against southpaws during the 2010 season at AA Chattanooga. However, this year at AAA Gordon has improved.
In 44 abs he has gone .341 .383 .341, which looks pretty good. That is until you realize it’s just a high AAA BA with no extra base hits and 2 walks behind it. Gordon may struggle against lefties in the future yet. Juan Uribe and Jamey Carroll should be able to back Gordon up at SS for now. However it might make sense to add someone from the Marco Scutaro, Edgar Renteria, Orlando Cabrera pool. Those players may seem undesirable at first, however they have always mashed lefties and have continued to show the ability to do so in 2011. For a contract fitting a backup SS the Dodgers should make one of them Gordon’s mentor.
This is the full 2012 SS free agent list
Clint Barmes (33)
Yuniesky Betancourt (30) – $6MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Orlando Cabrera (37)
Jamey Carroll (37)
Ronny Cedeno (29) – $3MM club option with a $200K buyout
Craig Counsell (41)
Adam Everett (35)
Rafael Furcal (34) – $12MM club option with a $1.3MM buyout
Alex Gonzalez (34)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
J.J. Hardy (29)
Omar Infante (30)
Cesar Izturis (32)
Julio Lugo (36)
John McDonald (37)
Augie Ojeda (37)
Nick Punto (34)
Edgar Renteria (35)
Jose Reyes (29)
Jimmy Rollins (33)
Ramon Santiago (32)
Marco Scutaro (36) – $6MM club option/$3MM player option with a $1.5MM buyout
Miguel Tejada (38)
Jack Wilson (34)
If Carroll can’t top his last deal, he needs a new agent.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
He is 37
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Does that mean
we’re giving Edgar Renteria or Adam Everett a two-year deal in the offseason?
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
37 is more then 35
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true
it’s shocking how well Carroll stacks up to other 2B and SS in the league
Maybe he likes being a Dodger so much that he’d accept a team friendly deal? crosses fingers
Since we have Carroll, who cares about those guys?
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No he is the starting 3b
we lack a starting 2b :-p
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I’m guessing he’s assuming Blake is gone and Uribe starts at 3B
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
not as of yet
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because Carroll is a free agent after next year
I’d personally just rather resign Carroll because he can fill in at both ss and 2nd.
This team likes Castro so much
I’m surprised they haven’t asked him to be on the coaching staff somehow. He’s not gonna go back to New Mexico, is he?
I’m psyched to see Gordon in the lineup. Even if the younger guys don’t play as well as we’d like, they’re still way more fun to watch than old gritty veterans sucking.
Wow. Stunning. Wow.
Yeah, I’m late to the Gordon party, I just wanted to join the stunned. Wow.
Let the Bison roam.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 6, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
My guess is Dee bats 8th in his debut
so I’m hoping to see him go from 1st to 3rd on a bunt.
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i want to see him hit one down the first base line into the corner.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 6, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Its not out of the realm of possibility
of course he would never be able to play football because of his teensy tiny frame
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don’t understand how he was caught 3 times. My only guess was that they caught him with his hand off the bag.
Fast guy with bad jumps is slower than average speed guy with good jumps
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
This is why my defense is so good in Softball.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
4.2 is not fast. 4.0 is “high school draftable”. Played with this dude Ollie who went to UCI who ran a 3.6. Dee should be right around there.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
The fastest 40 yard dash ever recorded was 3.89 during an olympic trial.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
100% sure. saw the stopwatch myself on more than one occassion. Ran a 6.5 60. Also, kid was a lefty, so probably had .1 advantage from home to first.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Too much human error using a stop watch.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
for sure. regardless, 4.0 flat is the difference between draftable speed and “meh, what else can you do”
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
uh
4.0 would be the fastest player in the nfl… EVER
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
we are talking about 40 times
are you not?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
baseball records speeds in home to first and 60 yard dashes. Why would anyone else be talking 40 yard dash about Dee Gordon?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
it was stated in his and a number of other comments
and there aren’t a lot of published 30 yard dash speeds so we where using 40 yard dash to compare to people who we know how fast they dash over a set distance.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Ollie was fast
4.2 is really really fast though
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
for a 40. for a 30 yard sprint from the left handed batter’s box a 4.2 is “hey that guy is quick”
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
ok but you never specified that
and Julio and everyone else is talking about 40 yard dash time
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i didn’t see that. so I figured we were all talking home to first.
I think Stephen Jackson could run the Marathon in 3 hours 55 minuutes.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
now you are just being pissy
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
BUT THATS WHO I AM!
/eats face
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
*/eats OWN face
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
a little
on the other hand, a guy with a fast 40 time could run to first on a single and turn and look faster than anyone in baseball
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang, but I never knew someone could make the helmet look bigger than Juan Pierre
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I like that he slid feet first
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
took about 7 seconds
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The batting helmet looks ridiculously large on him.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is that one of the new ones?
or is it the old school model?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
hah
for real. I saw the Gordon news before the Gibbons news, and just got more confused.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
USC misplaced their BCS title while you were gone too
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No. We’ll have to give it to an SEC school.
It’s only right.
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would have lost a lot of money betting against that scenario
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
While all these are shocking
when Tolleson becomes the 10th Dodger to notch a save, we will have reached the most improbable.
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Hell
he was number 9:)
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Speaking of Super Twos
I’m assuming Belisario doesn’t become a Super Two this year, right?
Poor Deuce.
Oh I just assume
any intelligent baseball comments from GScott are Maddz using his screen name and any comments about Disneyland under Maddz’s screen name is GScott using her screen name.
Well
if he had just logged out yesterday and used his own name, it would be less confusing. I won’t comment on the funny part.
Not Elbert specifically, just that we are carrying 6 rookies. Does Kansas City have that many right now?
I guess this answers those who didn’t think the Dodgers had a strong minor league system entering 2011.
I’d like performance, rather than simply being asked to play, be the final arbiter in that question
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
To exhaust rookie status, you either need 50 innings, 130 at-bats, or 45 days of service time outside of the 40-man active roster period (September 1 through the end of the year)
Talk about a rule that needs to be changed
50 IP is more than 1/2 a season as a reliever, two months as a full-time starting pitcher (8+ starts averaging around 6 IP/start), but 130 AB could be exhausted in less than six weeks as a full-time position player.
I’d drop the pitchers to 36 IP.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Dash of cold water - Burners who blew chunks
Rk Player SB From To Age G PA CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
13 Eric Young 112 1992 1999 25-32 322 1366 38 .279 .355 .364 .719 4/D
16 Mariano Duncan 100 1985 1989 22-26 376 1439 25 .234 .284 .325 .609 *6/479
27 Jose Offerman 61 1990 1995 21-26 579 2297 39 .256 .344 .325 .669 *6
35 Tom Goodwin 47 1991 2001 22-32 264 645 17 .239 .295 .310 .605 *8/79
36 Dave Anderson 46 1983 1992 22-31 713 1943 24 .235 .312 .311 .622 *65/4
41 Rudy Law 43 1978 1980 21-23 139 431 14 .260 .306 .300 .606 *8/7
51 Chad Fonville 27 1995 1997 24-26 200 575 8 .245 .302 .272 .574 /46785
58 Jose Gonzalez 25 1985 1991 20-26 379 582 8 .227 .284 .338 .622 89/7
61 Roger Cedeno 23 1995 1998 20-23 311 782 4 .252 .331 .344 .674 8/79
72 Jason Repko 17 2005 2009 24-28 230 478 4 .226 .297 .371 .668 8/97D
73 Glenn Burke 17 1976 1978 23-25 124 245 7 .248 .279 .303 .582 /879
93 Jose Vizcaino 11 1989 2000 21-32 245 737 5 .250 .305 .306 .611 *6/45D37
94 Wilton Guerrero 11 1996 1998 21-23 180 572 7 .288 .302 .380 .682 *4/678
95 Reggie Williams 11 1985 1987 24-26 189 389 4 .261 .318 .348 .666 /879
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Generated 6/6/2011.
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should never drink milk pre-game.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 6, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eric Davis on MLBNetwork!
Former Red and Dodger great.
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it's also a smoked prosciutto from Northern Italy
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I really hate the idea of losing all these PAs for Carroll. Unless you do something like move Carroll to 2B, Uribe to 3B and Blake to 1B
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
JC will play for Uribe, Gordon and Blake, I bet.
i.e., he’ll still play.
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Loney even
when Blake moves to first against Lefties. Oh wait Sands is still here. Its MADNESS.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Sit loney against lefties
rest blake, uribe and dee at least once a weak, blamo lots of playing time for carrol.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
As Eric kind of predicted
he wasn’t called up to sit on his tuchus.
But yeah, gosh, hope his D has genuinely improved. His range sure is great though.
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Wonder what the Furcal diagnosis looks like. And if it’s not bad, moved at the deadline if Gordon shines?
Let the Bison roam.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 6, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
joe_block
Mattingly said #Dodgers SS Dee Gordon will play pretty much every day, but remains undecided on where he will bat
The timing is cool, could be fun to watch Dee run the bases at Coors if he can gap one.
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Reyes showed us how that looks
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he needs a few Cousins
to knock Ruiz the fuck out in a homeplate collision
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Joe Block joe_block
Mattingly noted #Dodgers OF/1B Jerry Sands’ athleticism, defense and his approach as reasons he was kept with the big club
and his approach
they like him, they really like him
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
11 TBLA Points
who played for Donny in the AFL that has not seen any major league action this season?
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Elbert, Guerra, IDJ have seen time
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+ sands of course
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He was very high on X Paul, and we know how that went.
Let the Bison roam.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jun 6, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay
but why would I care about anyone who isn’t a bloody Dodger? How would that make any sense in the frame work of this question?
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I have no interest in arguing about this but nothing in this question “who played for Donny in the AFL that has not seen any major league action this season?” signifies you are only asking about Dodgers…and you’re generally someone who talks about non-Dodgers, so not sure why the hostility.
Should we send out a search party to make sure Joey Joe is ok?
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Safer to
Assume the worst
He is working up a frothy gloat
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Whats their to gloat about though?
He didn’t say they will just that they should, while trading everything we can and dfa-ing loney.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If we are out of it in July and trade a bunch of players
wouldn’t that then be proper Gloat time?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
are you applying rules of logic to understand behavior?
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
prediction
He will drive a truck though that key hole of an opening
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He wouldn't be the first one
and he won’t be the last
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Loney sits alot
Gwynn only plays in the 8th and later
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some hit ,some glove / hit, no glove / glove, no hit
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Gwynn will continue to play everyday either as a pinch runner, defensive replacement for Thames, or pinch hitter.
One of Thames or Sands becomes the everyday LF against LHP
How many times does Andre sit down against LHP is the real question
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Dee Gordon
The good:
- .315 average, .345 last 10 games
- OBP (.361)
- Improved defense
- 27/30 in stolen bases
- 14% K rate
The Bad:
- 6% BB rate
- .371 BABIP
- .327 wOBA in ABQ
- No power
- 9 XBH in 214 PA
and a habit
of taking curveballs on the meaty part of his back
wait a minute
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
the only way this is bad for me
is I have to watch him boot a bunch of ground ball outs
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I got no patience
for infielders who give up out and pitchers that give up walks
it is good to know your weaknesses
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
We need a TBLA watch for plays he makes we know Carroll could not make to balance against the errors he will make so we have an objective opinion when someone says his defense creates more outs then he gives up.
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Isn't UZR
already one objective opinion?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yes, but who has 3 years to wait for accurate results?
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s to gauge a player’s true defensive skill. But if you just want to measure how a player is performing over a small sample size, isn’t it legit?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
All I know is that I think it would be fun for the TBLA faithful to keep track of balls he makes plays on that we think would be hits if Carroll was playing compared to the errors he will make.
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I’m hoping he can run to right field and catch the balls that Uribe or Andre can’t.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
We'll be frustrated with him offensively
But I feel like he’s going to make a few “OMG WOW” plays to keep us balanced.
This is of course my best case scenario.
Everytime he gets up
my expectation is that for that at bat he will be A) overmatched and B) probably make an out
If I start there, can’t help but be delighted
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
full disclosure
I booted two relatively easy balls at SS in the same inning yesterday
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This info isn’t out there any more but at least in AA he didn’t have an above average amount of infield hits.
@andrewngrant
major leaguers are good, hard to outrun the ball, anything with pace on it is still likely and out
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
a few ground balls that are usually outs should become hits for him
tightened that up foryou
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Looking at that picture
that almost looks like a softball he is about to heave there.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Let's go ahead and take
Onelki Garcia Speck in the first round. He’s 23, but has a plus curve and throws 92-95.
According to one source, Garcia pitched three seasons with Guantanamo, going 12-12, 4.73 over 205 innings. In 46 games (45 starts), he struck out 195 but walked 128. His last season was 2009-10, when he went 5-6, 3.40.
I like Juan Pierre
I know thats a dangerous statement around here, but I’m tired of hiding from the truth.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I like Juan Pierre
it a totally fair statement
JP good at baseball, JP contract, JP playing everyday….
those will cause troubles
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What did you like?
1. His weak ass arm
2. His inability to correctly figure out where the fly balls were headed in CF in the ravine
3. His inability to bunt for hits after he became a Dodger
4. His inability to walk
5. His smile
6. His work eithic
7. His tiny head
8. His inability to steal at a decent enough % to be a weapon
9. His OB%
10. ………
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I liked
his BEAST MODE tshirt
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 6, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Frightening thought just occurred to me.
If Carroll sits and Gordon plays, Gordon might honestly be the best choice to lead off.
@andrewngrant
Jerry Sands
leadoff hitter time
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Dee Gordon is listed at 5'11", 150 in b-r.com (and mlb.com)
The only other LA Dodger position players listed at 150 or less:
Wilton Guerrero (145) – Dodger debut 1998
Jose Offerman (150) – 1990
Jose Vizcaino (150) – 1989
Vic Davalillo (150) – 1977
Zoilo Versalles (146) – 1968
(Chad Fonville 1995 was listed at 5’6", 155. LHP Victor Alvarez 2002 was 5’10", 150)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Ignore those "links"
caused by putting those years inside square brackets.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
for a skirt you have proclaimed your weight more then all the other others skirts combined that I have ever known.
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liked the tone
but would have been better if you subbed one of the Skirts with Dame
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He may have been when he was drafted. He at least looks slightly bigger than me now.
If Gordon learned some proper running form he might be even faster.
@andrewngrant
We have this first base coach....
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If that's a type of fried potato
Then yes
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
by mleadman on Jun 6, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
that is the kind of game we expct you to bring here Mr. Leadman
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t weigh 150 until 9th grade and I was 5’10. I was a skinny fuck.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Jun 6, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I passed 150
while on a 10-day cruise (+1 lbs/day) for my honeymoon. I’m 5’7" 160 right now, but have been 145 fairly recently. 5’11" 150 is ridiculous.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
5’ 11" 202
down from 215
up from 185
190 is probably right for me
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
6’0" 210-215 (I vary). I would love to get back down to 195 ish, but I am lazy. Hoping to get a back and ride to work and let that be the forced exercise.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop being so spineless
and while you are at it, get a bike
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
how far is it to work?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I would never have guessed you weighed 200 pounds
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The first time I shook his hand, my mind estimated just about 200.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
ha ha
that is so gay:)
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I saw Zoilo play
In the 1965 series
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
DId you also see him suck when he became a Dodger?
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Yep
Maybe the worst Dodger season ever?
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
Nothing gonna top Andruw Jones.
Suprisingly Offerman didn’t even make it into the top 15.
@andrewngrant
x
Rk Player OPS+ PA Year Age AB BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Alfredo Griffin 43 502 1990 32 461 .210 .258 .254 .512 *6
2 Cesar Izturis 51 468 2002 22 439 .232 .253 .303 .556 *6/4D
3 Alex Cora 59 449 2001 25 405 .217 .285 .306 .591 *6/4
4 Zoilo Versalles 59 436 1968 28 403 .196 .244 .266 .510 *6
5 Cesar Izturis 60 593 2003 23 558 .251 .282 .315 .597 *6
6 Delino DeShields 60 642 1996 27 581 .224 .288 .298 .585 *4
7 Bill Russell 65 502 1983 34 451 .246 .302 .286 .588 *6
8 Cesar Izturis 66 478 2005 25 444 .257 .302 .322 .624 *6
9 Alex Cora 67 514 2003 27 477 .249 .287 .338 .625 *46
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 6/6/2011.
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Fuck you Delino DeShields
Fuck you forever
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
by Pure Azure on Jun 6, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jones doesn’t really have enough at bats to qualify.
I used 400
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Other fun stuff: the Dodgers have had 33 seasons of -1 WAR or worse. Four of them were starters in 1993.
@andrewngrant
Didn’t Jose hit a home run in his first major league at bat?
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I remember it well. I was convinced we had a superstar. Instead we had an Offerman
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
I was there, field level, I danced like a jester
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad Flash Gordon
Wasn’t around to play for Buck Rogers
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
Marty
We expect you to come off the bench with Stairs like thunder
that was a weak grounder to SS
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m having a wet dream… Dee, Sands, Rubby, Elbert, Guerra, Lindblom… I’ve never been so happy to have so many injuries..
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Jun 6, 2011 3:29 PM PDT reply actions
this means nothing
but means something to me
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dee Gordon pic
just noticed the pic of Dee on the front page. Does he have an extra rib sticking through his shirt or is he just happy to see someone?
that photo is really freaking me out
Dude is not wide enough for Los Angeles on the jersey
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not even for “Dodgers”.
How long before he is blown away by a Santa Ana wind at DS?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
light enough
but he just has to turn sideways into the wind
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If he lies on his back
perpendicular to the wind, he’ll get lift and fly to the upper deck.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
makes me long
to hear Vin…I wonder what words he’ll use to describe Dee?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I got it
We’ll hear
“Fast as greased lightning”
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That did Howie in, but I bet Vin cold get away with it
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
“You know how ‘Uggla’ means ‘owl?’ Dee Gordon got picked up by a swooping owl before shaking loose and being dropped in the bullpen.”
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jun 6, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
this link on that page was better http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/01/colombian-women-pole-dance_n_869344.html#s285560&title=Colombian_Women_Go
Still on Frank's team!
Anyone else scared
for DG if someone tries to take him out on a DP? 150lbs? im only 5’6’ and im 150 :(
Only if it’s Peter North
/secondpeternorthjokethisweek
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
I have never done the almond apple combo, but that’s mostly because I don’t like Granny Smith apples unless they come with bleu cheese.
Poor Deuce.
Bleu cheese and Granny Smith apples?
Now that is just odd.
Is there some place in LA serving this?
I never thought to put those two together.
nah, I just saw my dad do it when I was younger and he offered some to me. I enjoy it. Also goes well with pears.
Poor Deuce.
HUMMA????
Go to a store that has whole pieces of cheese, by a small amount of good bleu – gorganzola, Pt. Reyes, maytag…
by two ready to eat apples
slice apple
slide cheese
marry and eat
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Add wine and be in heaven. I love some Beecher’s Flagship cheese on a good pear.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 6, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I will definitely have to try this.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Granny Smith is my favorite out of hand apple.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
being serious
What does that mean “out of hand”?
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I think
he is talking eating style
as opposed to fork and knife apples
or chopstick apples
or spork apples
or tooth pick apples
or soup spoon apples
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
wash apple, hold in hand, bite apple. As opposed to a baking apple, an apple for a waldorf salad, or whatever.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Thanks
Don’t much care about the names, I’ve found any apple off a tree kicks ass. Much like Plums and Peaches.
Okay all fruit off a tree kicks ass. I feel for those who have only ever eaten grocery store fruit.
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I have never eaten a watermelon off the vine. That is on my bucket list
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Usually watermelon injections are vodka or everclear, but….
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
corn on the cob or chicken leg as the greatest non-sandwich style (inc taco/burrito) food?
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I need some goddamn fried chicken
stat
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Non-desert category?
Quite possibly. Or turkey leg (more meat). Or a slice of bacon.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
and cheese!
I love apples, almonds, and cheese!
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
and a light crisp white
something dry and not cloying
no fucking oakiness, no buttery chardonay
I may need a drink
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
well, we differ there my friend
boones farm
by Hollywood Joe on Jun 6, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I once ordered a Chardonnay on accident.
What a buzzkill.
This
Ike most wines, cheap ones taste bad
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
I bought this wicked wine the last time I went out to nice dinner. Totally worth the 45+ bucks I spent on it.
Poor Deuce.
I don't think I can call you a southy
because I don’t htink a southy would spend that much on wine.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Southy's like the word whicked
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
(bostonians of some sort)
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Just think
you can probably enjoy it again at Total Wine for about $15!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
sounds good
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
So I’m thinking I want that Guerrieri guy. Or that Baez guy. Is that the general idea here?
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Jun 6, 2011 3:45 PM PDT reply actions
Who could resist
Guerrieri, Guerrier and Guerra on the same team?
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
This will piss me off
Keith Law said in his chat that he’s heard the Dodgers are strongly considering Chris Reed of Stanford. Reed is currently the closer for the Trees and doesn’t throw that hard, 90-91 as a reliever. He’s a lefty
I’d rather us draft someone we clearly can’t sign. Make it so we can get an extra pick next year to compensate. We’ll hopefully have a new owner by then.
I will laugh, run naked through woods yelling I told you so………..
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Scouts say teams see him capable of being a starter
I’m fairly certain Andrew Miller has bigger upside than him.
I forgot about that guy. Is he doing anything?
by Michael White on Jun 6, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If Reed is picked, I will hear the voice of Logan White on Dodger Talk this weekend in my brain, and I will now know what his lying tone sounds like.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
from your boy, Buster
By the way: If Arizona takes Bauer at No. 3, there is a chance he will pitch in the big leagues this year.
Poor Deuce.
He does that weirdass warm up pitch were he runs up the mound and throws as hard as he can right?
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Jun 6, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
So we should all teach our kids to pitch like fucktards so they will win multiple Cy Youngs?
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Jun 6, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So his success at the collegiate level has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact they think he might be like Lincecum?
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This might make me a bad person
but honestly I would laugh if he continues his long toss regimine and then blows out his arm, just because of what a fuckwit he is for telling teams not to draft him over it.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Sickles on Anderson
Tyler Anderson, LHP, University of Oregon: Polished lefty with a 90-93 MPH fastball and a robust secondary arsenal (slider, curve, changeup) along with sharp control. Great feel for pitching. 8-3, 2.17 ERA with 114/35 K/BB in 108 innings. Target: Mid-to-late first round.
Stephenson
unless Baez drops to them. Norris might be out of their price range.
boo
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