Dodgers Activate Project First Start In Philadelphia
by Eric Stephen on Jun 7, 2011 1:13 PM PDT
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PrintLast night we got a glimpse of the speed of Dee Gordon, who made his MLB debut as a pinch runner in the ninth inning. Tonight, we get to see the rest of his game, as Gordon will make his first start, as the Dodgers battle the Phillies in the second game of the series. In fact, Gordon gets thrown right into the fire, batting leadoff. The last Dodger to bat leadoff in his first major league start was Jose Offerman on August 19, 1990.
Also making his first MLB start is one Rubby De La Rosa. There have been 16 Dodgers to make their first MLB start in the last ten years:
| LA Dodgers Making Their First MLB Start 2001-2010 |
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| Pitcher | Age | Date | IP | H | R | ER | BB | K | GmScr | Dec | Team |
| Carlos Monasterios | 24 | 5/1/10 | 4.0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 52 | W | |
| John Ely |
23 | 4/28/10 | 6.0 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 41 | L | L |
| James McDonald | 24 | 4/10/09 | 2.1 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 32 | L | L |
| Clayton Kershaw | 20 | 5/25/08 | 6.0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 60 | W | |
| Hiroki Kuroda | 33 | 4/4/08 | 7.0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 71 | W | W |
| Eric Stults | 26 | 9/10/06 | 6.0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 65 | W | W |
| Hong-Chih Kuo | 25 | 9/8/06 | 6.0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 70 | W | W |
| Chad Billingsley | 21 | 6/15/06 | 5.1 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 49 | W | |
| D.J. Houlton | 25 | 6/4/05 | 5.1 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 57 | W | W |
| Derek Thompson | 24 | 5/25/05 | 5.0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 55 | L | |
| Edwin Jackson | 20 | 9/9/03 | 6.0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 64 | W | W |
| Masao Kida | 34 | 8/15/03 | 5.0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 51 | L | L |
| Scott Mullen | 28 | 8/3/03 | 3.0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 39 | W | |
| Victor Alvarez | 25 | 9/29/02 | 7.0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 65 | L | L |
| Kazuhisa Ishii | 28 | 4/6/02 | 5.2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 10 | 72 | W | W |
| Terry Adams | 28 | 6/5/01 | 4.2 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 47 | W | |
| Totals: 16 starts, 3.31 ERA | 84.1 | 57 | 31 | 31 | 32 | 67 | 55.6 | 6-4 | 11-5 | ||
De La Rosa is quickly becoming one of the most quotable Dodgers. The 22-year old allowed no hits in four innings against San Francisco during spring training, then said of the Giants, "Champions last year, not this year." Then on Monday, De La Rosa said he wasn't nervous about tonight, per Cash Kruth of MLB.com:
"No, I'm not excited," De La Rosa said. "It's what starters do. They start. I'm not nervous. I never get nervous. I don't feel butterflies when I pitch; I don't feel anything. I grew up in the streets. How can I be scared of anything compared to that?"
The question is, just how long will De La Rosa be able to pitch tonight. He has pitched out of the bullpen with the Dodgers, and his last start in Double A was a planned two-inning stint to give his arm a rest. His last "regular" start was May 15. Here are is pitch counts of the last three weeks, with a little help from Tom Tango's pitch count estimator (for the two minor league outings):
| Rubby De La Rosa's Last 5 Outings | |
| Date | Pitches |
| May 15 (AA) | 96 |
| May 21 (AA) | 31 |
| May 24 | 13 |
| May 27 | 29 |
| May 30 | 28 |
Lineups
| Dodgers | Phillies | |||
| SS | Gordon | CF | Victorino | |
| 3B | Blake | 3B | Polanco | |
| RF | Ethier | 2B | Utley | |
| CF | Kemp | 1B | Howard | |
| 2B | Uribe | LF | Ibañez | |
| 1B | Loney | C | Ruiz | |
| C | Navarro | RF | Brown | |
| LF | Sands | SS | Valdez | |
| P | De La Rosa |
P | Oswalt | |
Game Time: 4:05 p.m.
TV: KCAL, MLB Network
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If a girl was able to play baseball for her high school, they usually get put on the team. Mst girls either don’t have the interest or ability, which may or may not be a result of them playing softball as 11-12 year olds.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I was watching softball the other day, WCWS. Seems like the bunt is borderline unstoppable.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Girls usually get referred to softball due to many state’s considering it a baseball equivalent, that despite the fact that they are not the same game.
there’s a girl who went to Birmingham HS here in the Valley that just got a baseball scholarship. Let me see if I can get an article on her.
Poor Deuce.
Hamburger Turkey burgers for everyone
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This is just meat and a bun. Here is some ketchup. I don’t care if you use it
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 7, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was afraid the colorization police had gotten you.
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How many pitches will it take to strike out Dee Gordon in his first at bat?
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Only question about Dee’s first PA is whether he decides to go for a triple or settles for the double.
on a bunt
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 7, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
TBLA 50 Point Project First Contest
How many strikeouts combined for Rubby and Dee (hitting and pitching), + what kind of hit will be Dee’s first.
1. Ground ball single to the outfield
2. Infield single
3. Bunt Single
4. Line Drive Basehitt
5. Bloop Hit
6. None
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Still upset
I got no bonus points for this epic fail in response to Keith Law’s report the Dodgers were gonna draft Reed at 16:
I’ll believe it when I see it. Drafting a closer? We already have 200 candidates.
by Pure Azure on Jun 6, 2011 12:27 PM CDT
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
8 ks
3 bunt
"Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he's losing; nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead."
by MammothDodger on Jun 7, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite comment of yours the other day was when I was going through the comments and you told me to wait until I saw what happens next. I got all sort of nervous.
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I feel like I've missed something magical
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Also
Just drafted a Monster out of NJ. 6’9" 245 lb HS pitcher.
that's a big boy
name?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Last name was Munster
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Just guessing
that a commitment to South Carolina Upstate won’t keep him from signing. Yes that is South Carolina Upstate.
LA Times
Reed sounds borderline cocky here.
"I knew I could outwork everybody else," he said. "I was blessed with some good height, and being a lefty, I had the tools. I decided to develop them."
eh, maybe borderline
it’s fine by me though.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Work ethic is the one thing where you can be the best and have it not be a result of someone else’s on field performance. I like his attitude and don’t find it to be cocky or arrogant at all.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
FTFY
Goodplayerspitchers are cocky.
I want my pitchers to stare down batters with disdain.
Poor Deuce.
I want my pitchers to throw the ball at shane victirino
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by nolander on Jun 7, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That
goes without saying.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
For Shane leaning into the pitch yesterday, I would be all for Rubby drilling him with the first pitch tonight and instantly going into Dodger lore. Then strike out the side.
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Maybe just two strikeouts, after picking off Shane Victorino (hard tag by Loney of course).
They hit Dee, he steals three bases, Dodgers win 1-0. 75 pitch CG for Rubby :)
sucks for Dodger starting debuts
that no one can ever debut better then Fernando did on opening day. They are all fighting for second best.
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How long until
the Dodgers retire #34 and build him a statue outside Staples to piss off Kareem even further?
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Drill
Victorino in the rib cage, then when he’s leading off first. Drill him again with a pickoff throw. Then strike out the side. Feel free to mix in another rib cage shot at your discretion. Shane’s fine with it as long as you don’t aim for the head.
I want my pitchers to blow kisses to hitters after they strike them out.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
One of my favorites from the list
was Scott Mullen, whose first major league start was his last major league game. The 28-year old had made 74 relief appearances before his 2003 start.
I have no recollection of this game. Bullpen game?
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally do not recall him at all. Wasn't that long ago, so it's scary I draw a blank.
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I forgot all about DJ Houlton.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
I confirmed it is Scott Wingo from So Carolina the Dodgers drafted
maybe David is part of his name. Or they just made a mistake. But a few South Carolina papers online confirmed it. Seems a pretty decent prospect.
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And some South Carolina fans are big fans of his, fwiw
Heh. Just found one on a message board who said: “He’s seriously one of the better 2nd baseman I’ve seen though he was drafted as a SS and his name’s listed as David.. haha it’s almost like it’s a totally different player”
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Great name for titles
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from the article you posted
sounds like a future gritty gamer. and I mean that in a good way :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah i'll take that, especially as a later round guy
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As long as he's not this Scott Wingo
I’m OK with it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Don't be bringing that c++ shit in here
c# or bust yo
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While the Dodgers have been re-tooling so have the Rockies.
They have brought up Charles Blackmon to replace Fowler and Rex Brothers to bolster the bullpen.
Per Baseball HQ scouting reports:
Charles Blackmon (OF, COL)
The Rockies selected the 24-year-old in the second round of the ‘08 draft and he was fairly raw at the time. Since the draft, Blackmon has steadily improved and polished many nuances of his game. At 6’3" 200 pounds, he is a solid athlete with an intriguing mix of power and speed. His bat speed is starting to translate into moderate-to-plus pop. As evidenced by his career line of .316/.376/.475, Blackmon is a good hitter who makes easy contact. He isn’t the most patient hitter, but he takes clean cuts and doesn’t strike out much. In the outfield, Blackmon can play all three positions, but projects best in a corner. His arm strength and range are merely average, but he has shown improved routes and jumps.
And future closer Rex Brothers
Rex Brothers (LHP, COL)
In a highly anticipated move, the Rockies recalled the 23-year-old from Triple-A where he was dominant with a very high strikeout rate. Brothers was a supplemental first round selection in the ‘09 draft and has all the ingredients to become a big league closer. He was converted to a reliever upon signing and there are no apparent plans to move him from his role. Brothers’ fastball runs between 91-97 mph and it exhibits plenty of late movement. He isn’t very tall (6’0"), but he relies on pitch movement to keep the ball down. His mid-80’s slider is his strikeout pitch and it has severe late break. Brothers rarely throws a changeup and he must improve his command in order to secure a prominent role in the bullpen. He has high upside with his potent fastball-slider combo
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Charles had a brother named Rich that Deion Sanders would use as his fake name (things I learned from his awesome reality show)
Charles also had a brother named
Mars, amirite?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
hopefully brothers has better luck
than the last 2 ‘closers of the future’ for colorado.. Franklin Morales and uh.. the other dude they gave a ton of money too kinda sucked.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 7, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Street?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
manny corpas
had to look it up.. they got street because corpas blew it hard after fuentes left town.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 7, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Rollins has a deep bone bruise. Phillies will make a decision whether or not to DL him by tomorrow.
In the 15th round
The Dodgers took a RHP named Craig Stem, from Tevecca Nazarene University in TN.
Maddz, we need a scouting report, stat.
Something for Dee to shoot for
No LA Dodger has ever stolen two bases in one of his first two games. Here are the ones with one steal
Rk Gcar Player Date Tm Opp Rslt PA AB R H BB HBP SB CS
1 2 Blake DeWitt 2008-04-01 LAD SFG W 3-2 4 3 1 1 1 0 1 0
2 2 Andy LaRoche 2007-05-07 LAD FLA W 6-1 4 2 1 1 0 1 1 0
3 2 Matt Kemp 2006-05-29 LAD ATL W 12-5 5 3 3 2 1 0 1 0
4 2 Jason Repko 2005-04-07 LAD SFG W 6-0 5 4 1 0 0 1 1 0
5 2 Mike Metcalfe 1998-09-23 LAD SDP L 2-3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
6 1 Adam Riggs 1997-08-07 LAD MON W 9-4 4 4 1 0 0 0 1 0
7 1 Dennys Reyes 1997-07-13 LAD SFG W 9-3 2 1 1 0 1 0 1 0
8 1 Eric Young 1992-07-30 LAD SDP W 6-5 5 4 1 2 1 0 1 0
9 1 Jose Offerman 1990-08-19 LAD MON L 1-2 5 5 1 3 0 0 1 0
10 2 Jose Gonzalez 1985-09-07 LAD NYM W 7-6 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0
11 2 Mariano Duncan 1985-04-10 LAD HOU W 5-4 5 5 1 2 0 0 1 0
12 2 Ed Amelung 1984-07-29 LAD CIN W 1-0 4 4 0 2 0 0 1 0
13 1 Rudy Law 1978-09-12 LAD SFG W 8-0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0
14 2 Davey Lopes 1972-09-23 LAD SFG W 7-4 5 2 0 0 3 0 1 0
15 1 Jim Barbieri 1966-07-05 LAD CIN W 1-0 3 2 0 0 1 0 1 0
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 6/7/2011.
And now he is
GGGRRRRRRRREEEEEAAATTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Tony Tiger”
Had to be a double steal:)
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wow, a left hander even. Ted Lilly must have learned the art of holding runners on from Estes.
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From this article, Reyes strayed too far off first on a bunt attempt by Roger Cedeño, and was picked off, but reached second safely.
I remember being at that game
Me and all the other drunks I was with just marveling at dennys’ (wasn’t he just dennis at the time?) resemblance to fernando. I believe the roidmonster took him deep and he allowed little else. Vaguely recall screaming myself hoarse with “vamonos dennis” and probably some other rudimentary poorly said spanish phrases.
by lchristmas on Jun 7, 2011 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It was a bit uncanny. Round cherub faced Mexican left hander. who like 20 or 21.
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TBLA Points 25 for both correct answers
In Sept 2006 two Dodgers made their major league starting debuts within one week of each other in the midst of a pennant race.. They both won, they both pitched great.
Name them
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Dammit. I knew the answer was above and I still botched this
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Bingo:)
beat Mr White again by a nanosecond
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BTW Eric
great job on the debut list. I still think we screwed the pooch by not using Kuo as a starter.
Still remember the great Ishi debut. How many major leaguers had their debut be their greatest game?
Besides Spooner of course.
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11 - 2 by June 19th
His high GS came on July 14th – a 75
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About half the list was done last year, for Ely’s debut, but it only included starts as MLB debuts (but I went back to 1958 on that one). I had to dig for the rest.
oh hell yah
my new favorite player. last major leaguer from oxnard was paul macanulty who came up with SD but got released and seems to be floating around the league as the definition of a AAAA player.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 7, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Fernando had a GS of 80 in his debut start
80,
83
87
81
76
80
79
79
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE
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i blame the ump
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I never understood those who said he was older then this birthdate. He totally looked and acted when he was not pitching like a 20 year old kid. He may have the the most rubber arm since George Brunet as he pitched well into his 40’s in the Mexican League.
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I looked this up just for comparison
Orel’s final 6 starts of 1988, 5 shutouts and one 10-inning no-decision:
86
78
81
84
77
86
A 6-game average of 82
If you go back 2 more games (both 2-run CG), the 8-game average is 79.3
If you go back 1 more after that (a shutout), the 9-game average is 79.8
Fernando’s 8-game average was 80.6, and when you consider those were his first eight starts, it’s just unbelievable.
Both the Fernando runs and the Orel runs just slay me every time.
Fernando’s career ERA, including his 1980 relief work, after those eight starts was 0.40 (4 ER in 80 2/3 innings)
Orel ended the 1988 regular season with 8 complete games (6 shutouts) and a game of scoreless innings (4 ER in 82 IP), then allowed 5 runs in 42 2/3 innings in the playoffs. Orel’s run had a 0.65 ERA (9 ER in 124 2/3 innings)
Xavier Paul batting third for the Pirates tonight.
Let’s all take a moment to be thankful we’re not the Pirates.
@andrewngrant
Some injury news
from Dylan Hernandez:
Furcal: received PRP injection. Expected back in 25-30 days.
Padilla: inflammation in disk in neck. Same disk that was bulging last year. No timetable for his return
So Furcal won't get 600 PA's?
/shocked
Sucks, I love Raffy, I can only imagine how good he might have been for us.
If Furcal wanted to sign a cheap 1 year deal to reestablish his value would the Dodgers even want him? Say the contract is for a base salary of 3.5 mill with incentives that could make it up to 12 mill?
What kind of contract could a team give Furcal with his injury history? Nothing close to his last contract.
Depends on Dee Gordon
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The Orioles picked a Ruettiger
As in descendant of the Rudy Ruettiger clan
What.The.Fuck.
The Pick: Dylan Bundy, RHP.
The Buzz: The Orioles grab one of the most live arms from the high school level in the draft and have to feel good about being able to sign the prospect who had already told one team – the Pirates – not to pick him. Bundy has one of the strongest work ethics of any player in the draft and his regimen, which includes long toss, is designed to make his body last a long time. In an epic two day span, which saw Bundy pitch in three games, the righty cranked out 293 pitches and still touched 93 on the gun with his last throw.
Fuck your high school coach. Fuck him in the heart.
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1229040
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
wow
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting that Gordon get’s called up against the team that has the player his upside is most compared too in Jimmy Rollins.
Those comparisons were years ago when they thought he would fill out more.
Now its more like Elvis Andrus or bust.
Alcides Escobar seems the match these days
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Pretty similar AAA numbers
Escobar 22 AAA Nashivlle- wOBA .322
Gordon 23 AAA The Moon- wOBA .327
Also, as a 21 year old, Escobar put up much better numbers in AA Huntsville than Gordon did in AA Chatanooga.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Hyperbolic, but: Dee Gordon fastest player in MLB right now? I never really got to see Joey Gathright play, but heard he was the fastest guy in a baseball for a fe years there.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Gordon and Gathright seem comparable. Peter Borjous can fly too.
Gathright taught us to not take players whose biggest tool is able to jump over cars.
@andrewngrant
Gathright had a baseballism thrown at him a lot that I hadn't heard much before he debuted
You can’t steal first base.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
That's the only thing I remember
about Gathright, I also remember the Dodgers were interested in picking him up at one point. Brett Gardner is also fast I hear, but not Dee fast.
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what about Gordon
and Stubbs from the Reds?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
whose biggest tool is able to jump over cars
Blake Griffin?
/ducks
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Clearly Gathright should have played basketball.
The dude had speed and plate discipline in the minor leagues. When I worry about Dee Gordon I certainly have Joey Gathright in my memory banks.
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yup
Pitch recognition will mean everything, cos he doesn’t have the frame to drive the ball. I’m just hoping he’s not the greatest pinch-runner of all time.
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I’ve heard “Jimmy Rollins without power” which might not be all that good of a player.
@andrewngrant
Dee Gordon might be the fastest player I’ve ever seen in a Dodger uniform. Even Rudy Law couldn’t keep up.
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Rehab assignments for Kuo (Thursday with Rancho; that was quick) and Kenley (Thursday with the Lookouts)
Cool
Just hang on kids, help is on the way.
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Those lobotomy’s don’t take long
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nothing about Broxton yet?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
on a rehab assignment, no. But he is likely throwing bullpen sessions this week in Philly or Colorado.
Speak of the devil
Per Joe Block, Broxton had a bullpen session today (very good) and will throw another Thursday
Listen here, meow
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Joba on MLB Network
“Hit a home run off me, you can do a back flip, I don’t really care.”
Context was explaining his fist pump stuff.
wonder what Valverde thinks
His act is a bit much
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I didn’t realize Bills was only 21 when he debuted. Crazy. The more I think about it, the more I have no idea how they’re going to work Rubby, Eovaldi, and Webser into the rotation, and that’s to say nothing if Zach lee works out. Someone is gonna have to go, though that obviously isn’t a 2011 decision.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Most definitely. But with the pitches they use and their success at AA, I think it’s indicitive of at least middling MLB success as starters. At least, I like to think so.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Right, I remember now
I’m pretty confident in both of them, though. I just really like their mechanics, stuff and the pitches they use. Kind of wish someone would throw Eovaldi a splitter.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
no doubt
I feel the same way. and their stuff is reflected in their dominant stats.
what im saying is, the motion of throwing a baseball is abnormal to the body. shit happens when you do something you’re not suppose to do a million times (hyberbole).
Injuries happen.
unless they push the dodgers decision
if they both continue to excel and we have injury problems, they’ll come up.
one of them isn’t coming up until 2013 for sure, if for no other reason than Ted Lilly got a three year deal.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
If he gets hurt throwing 87 mph....
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Trade some of them for people who swing the bats.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Ned “trades” a pitcher or two every year. I expect a Magil or Eovaldi to be lost should “contention” convert the Dodgers into buyers at the deadline.
He’s not traded a top minor leaguer without them getting MLB experience first though.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Magil and Eovaldi are not quite top minor leaguers, even if they do outclass Brett Wallach, and Elisaul Pimentel
and Ned has done a good job of not touching the top of our minor or major league core.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
hm, is he considered top 10?
previously
Gordon
Sands
De La Rosa
Webster
Lee
Jansen
Withrow
Elbert
Martin
Gould
Eovaldi
that’s just off my head and not in any particular order, but I agree he makes in into the top 10. He certainly does once Sands, Elbert, Jansen, Gordon, and De La Rosa become ineligible.
Nate's better than wallach, pimental and etc
due to that fact he’s pwning AA as a dodger prospect whereas those guys never reached AA as dodger prospects.
We didn’t give up any top prospects in either of those deals. JMac is a very generic player.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
He was our minor league pitcher of the year, and our top pitching prospect. He was no Steve Johnson.
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Right, but top prospect is a ranking. Rankings are based on the environment and those you are being compared to. Ratings, however. It’s going to sound hindsight so I’ll take the punishment for this when it comes, but James MacDonald was never gonna be a top flight starter. key part of my comment here: We should have gotten more for him, but we didn’t lose anything truly special.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Going from Generic to no one truly special is a quite a gap.
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is it? He’s a white noise MLB starter. While every team needs them, I don’t think his stuff (mainly his curveball and control thereof) translates to prolongued MLB success.
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Different stuff, different approaches. Webster has three pitches with great control, McDonald throws hard and can’t control his changeup and has way too much loop in his curveball.
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Where are you getting this from? Watching Webster on you tube?
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
McDonald is a FB/CB guy with a changeup, Webster is a FB/CH guy with a CB whose CH was rated best in the Dodgers system by Baseball America (hat tip Brandon’s Top 10 prospect countdown)
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You know which player had the best changeup in the system in 2009 by Baseball America?
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo shit
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Awesome
how come they had him stay FB/CB when he got called up? Maybe if he located better, who knows.
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invoking SSS to prove a point, nice. He had a good one, but he couldn’t throw enough fastballs for strikes to ever use the damn thing.
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What are you talking about
I said he had a good change up in a playoff series.. Thats all I said.
Scott Elbert will save us.
Looking at the velocity on those change ups they could have been really shitty curve balls.
@andrewngrant
Nah they’d know. His changeup is slow and drops like 4 feet or some stupid shit. It’s why he couldn’t use it. If the catcher caught it in the zone, it crossed the plate at the hitters chest. If it crossed in the strike zone, it bounced before the catcher. Either way, it’s called a ball.
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you mean in the 6 innings he pitched before they traded him?
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http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5523&position=P#pitchtype
20 percent in 2008 10 percent in 2009 13 percent in 2010
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so, I’m right? If that’s your best offspeed pitch it should be closer to 25-30.
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Assuming you’re throwing 60-65% fastballs not Clayton Kershaw “here’s my fastball good luck fuckers” 75% of the time.
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its pretty easy to see here
Mcdonald USE to have a great change up in the minors; hence being rated as the best CU in the system.
when he came up, he lost the feel of it and couldnt throw it for strikes. he gradually lost confidence in it and starting throwing it less and less…the %s bear that out.
it’s pretty fucking simple guys. I don’t get all the bickering.
When I saw him pitch in Inland Empire and
tracked his pitches, his CU was a swing and miss pitch that he threw any time in the count. It had decent fade and his arm action was consistent with his fastball.
shit happens, he lost his feel for it and then the confidence in throwing it for strikes shattered.
and yes, his cb is too loopy.
Also wasn’t part of it that he would throw the changeup more often when starting, and not in relief?
well this year still only 10 percentish
and he has been starting all year.
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I also remember a quote from James after he was traded that the Pirates were letting him pitch the way he did in the minors.
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That jives with my memory too. His FB speed went way up when he started there as opposed to the one inning tryout he had in LA. As though the PIT coaches just said “okay, do your thing” while the LAD coaches were more hands on.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
nate, I’m buying you a beer when I come down in October.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Our baseball league sends a team to a tournament in Phoenix come October. Just found out they want me to come. Good chance Maddz and I come down. Hoping to meet up with you and Kev0
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I'm for sure down
if I’m in town. I travel a lot for my work but if I’m here, that would be cool.
Mill or natesdale, either one works.
it's in legislation.
the petition have already acquired the mandated 1000 signatures.
approval pending, but I’m confident!
he has a sub 3 run era in his last 44+ innings
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41 strikeouts in that span
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Getting back to earlier today
There is a Bill Russell Plumbing in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, but it is not affiliated with the former Dodgers SS.
Have to admit I thought Billy was from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.
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Dee Gordon v.1.0, Jimmy Rollins
Sounds like a man who doesn’t want to go on the DL:
“If I went to DL, it’s because they made a bad decision. You can write that.”
off the top of my head, the only player I've lost sleep over
that Colletti has traded is Carlos Santana.
I really can’t think of anyone else.
Edwin Jackson maybe, but more for sentimental reasons.
With a conversion to relief in Ethan Martin’s future, I’m not too worried about having a log jam of starting pitching prospects.There are three long term spots in the MLB rotation open, and if all three of those are filled and the Dodgers still have surplus, we can trade someone. Not a problem for now though.
Next year at AA
Miller (back again)
Eovaldi (could go to AAA, but only 21 could probably use more AA time)
Webster( no need to rush him)
Withrow (maybe turned into reliever, but he is still young).
questionable for AA
Savage
Antonini
They are organizational players anyhow.
Magil and Redding might be promoted
Zach Lee will be in AA at some point in 2012
Also expect Gould to get promoted soon to the Cal League and be ready to move onto AA next year.
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Not sure about that. If they love Lee as much as it sounds like he could easily do the Rubby jump to AA.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I'm from the streets
I’ve seen things
You don’t want to ask
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
I’m from the streets. Bryce Harper blows me a kiss and I’ll kill his entire family.
by KellyStephen on Jun 7, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
one hour until I can tell if MLB Network is going to give me the Dodger/Phillies
or Sadness sets in because I get the Yankees
"Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he's losing; nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead."
I'm in same boat. Am hopeful but not too much...
Does MLBN just carry game feed from one of the teams’ broadcasts? Or is it a national crew?
Otherwise I’ll try to watch it on MLBTV online.
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yea something like that
I just hope that the CA market gets me Rubby Dee Tuesday. Not that I can watch it all live I do have to go manage a LL game, but the DVR is already set…..
"Baseball is like a poker game. Nobody wants to quit when he's losing; nobody wants you to quit when you're ahead."
Tomas C
It was the 16GB Wifi version (basic)
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 7, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
still bragging
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he asked in the last thread
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 7, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Crap!
This game is on KCAL? I forgot to record
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 7, 2011 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
Yea, I use Windows Media Center. Plugins and hacks to do this from afar are not great. But it is free
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 7, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Scouting report on Jammal Moore (10th round pick)
Just talked to our (Uni High) coach about him. Kid is tall, left-handed, throws hard (coach says maybe 90-91) with a clean delivery. Threw varsity as a freshman and was the best freshman our coach had seen in his five years. Didn’t improve all that much as a sophomore, but was impressive as a junior. He was hurt when they played us this year, but he doesn’t know what kind of injury or if it cost him the whole season. He seemed to think 10th round was a stretch but that he had definite potential. I really hope the injury isn’t a serious one. Also, he thought that Westchester had two other guys who were draftable.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Jun 7, 2011 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have been talking shit too
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jun 7, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You too young for Rick Rude (I know you are not much younger than me at all) ?
Guys like Triple H don’t count as a great heel because he’s too likable. Razor Ramon was a minor wrestler. Sgt. Slaugter was a gimmick. Rick Rude was a talented heel.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m 27, and I do remember Rude both when he was a wrestler and when he came back as a bodyguard for DX. I was pretty young for when he was in his wrestling prime though
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m convinced that the zeitgeist nature of pro wrestling makes it only appealing for 10-13 year old boys and then nostalgia for the rest of their lives
Road Dogg is dead? He wasn’t even that big
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly!
And since all the legends from the attitude era came back for promos I got sucked back into watching shitty r truth and that Spanish douche bag with his own announcer
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I hear lots of people like him
i just haven’t caught on as of yet.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
my older brother
has recently enjoyed Kofi Kingston
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jun 7, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Great stable. I loved them too, but I’d say not true heels because tons of people liked them.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the first time she has made someone
Say that>>>>>>……..
she was dating a friend of mine in the dream, we kept getting interrupted by people I know walking into the room.
Ravishing Rick Rude
How could you not remeber him.
hah when I read Razor Ramon I thought you where talking about this guy
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Was I not around when this guy hit his prime or something? He was an intercontinental type guy from my recollection.
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
NWA > nWo
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 7, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
No, I think that was between my wrestling peaks
by Michael White on Jun 7, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
The rock was my hero back 10 years ago
i hated hhh more than anyone. Lol. Now he’s somewhat likable without screwing over the rock
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
no surprise
and if soo….. then fuck the pitcher. Still a dumb move by Harper but w/e
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I don't get
all the uproar about this. It’s not like cocky showoffs are new to baseball, I guess it’s fun to talk about. Anyone hear of Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
those guys have been dead for awhile
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Was not a showoff as I recall
or did I miss when he blew kisses to pitchers on the base paths?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Earned it at a higher level
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We’d freak out if we saw a game in the early 20th century.
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I'll be honest
I would have liked to see Cobb beat the dude with no hands, just to see if the story was exaggerated.
I’d like to hear what the dude was saying. He was supposed to have been ragging on him the whole game.
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Something like
I fucked your wife with my stumps
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
by mleadman on Jun 7, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Some chatter on Twitter that Anthony Rizzo will be called up by the Padres tomorrow, but I can’t find anything concrete, other than that he’s playing tonight in Tucson and is not available to the media.
I miss it, I hope they make another season. If not, it was fun while it lasted.
Scott Elbert will save us.
huh, I'm being educated on my own culture
itis: a naturally occuring drowsy feeling that is created when a person, normally of the African-American race (although it may affect peoples of all creeds), eats a large amount of fried, salty, or fatty foods…this feeling usually causes one to sip some purple drank and take a nap
This is brutal
I wanna watch that clip but Im on the computer with no sound card.
Scott Elbert will save us.
how do you forget the sugar!?
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I read this
with my moms voice in my head
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
The Farnsworth of his day
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Rubbys
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
by G.Scott on Jun 7, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many times will someone drafted between now and then, who comes from a small college be compared to Jerry Sands?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Killer Thread today
let us hope Dee and Rubby can live up it.
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fun thread
i love working from home..
ie; i love not doing any work and wasting my time on TBLA all day.
We need a TBLA announcer
Entering the ring at 03:38, Daaaaaaaaaavid Yoooooooooooooung
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second, losers game
most get awesome Yankees
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
a bunch of hot skanky sluts dancing to kaskade remixes of
katy perry and rihanna at one of the 10 las vegas wanna be night clubs.
you remind me of this friend I have in NYC. I think you guys would be friends, given your taste in women and music.
Poor Deuce.
I went to vegas this weekend
and I saw Coolio at an after hours club. He was tweaked out of his mind.
he then took the mike from the DJ and started dropping rhymes.
He probably needs to go to rehab.
So why do you need Natesdale when you’ve already got Tempe?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I like scottsdale better than 25
for the simple fact that I’m 25 now, 3 years removed from college and that’s typically the demographic of scottsdale.
Delias, you still in here?
What do you like of the Blowout Cup so far? US-Canada may be the only competitive match in the entire group stage
I hear Canada spreads poutine on the field to slow down the fast Americans
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
I’ve never betted money on sports. As a child I picked the Buffalo Bills to win the super bowl all four years. Also, I’d love to bet sports, but have no real way to do so.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
boring so far...
its gonna get better. I am recording tonights game. want to watch rubby live.
im out!!!
Still on Frank's team!
I got approved to cover the final in the Rose Bowl. Exciting! Thankfully CONCACAF made the decision not the USMNT
isn't one a band and the other a song?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I'm not a fan personally
not really a fan of anything on kroq right now really
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
For anyone who cares, UCSB outfielder Mark Haddow was drafted by White Sox
in round 24.
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Matt Summers went in the 4th from UCI
nice
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nooooooooooo
Drew Hollman to the phillies in the 18th
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UCR had a couple of guys taken too
(in addition to Fullerton and Long Beach of course)
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Is he even worth a 3rd or 4th rounder?
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I don't think he has an NFL future if I'm being honest
we’ll see though
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casey blake's father hanging out with tom gordon?
interesting
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Casey Blake's father looks like my high school football coach
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I spend the whole day looking forward to watching Dee's first at bat
and my cable cuts out right before first pitch. I hear he got a single.
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