Same Old Vogelsong & Dance For Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 10:13 PM PDT
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PrintRyan Vogelsong had a chance to join Los Angeles this winter, but he didn't want to be a Dodger. Can you blame him? A four-run sixth inning by the Giants put the Dodgers away tonight, 5-0 losers in the opening game of a three-game set at AT&T Park in San Francisco. It was the third straight loss for the Dodgers.
Billingsley gave up a towering home run to Pablo Sandoval in the bottom of the fourth inning, a ball up around Sandoval's eyes that he crushed to right center field to give the Giants a 1-0 lead. The score was the same entering the bottom of the sixth inning, when Billingsley's night went south in a hurry. Three successive singles added a run to the Giants' ledger, then after a strikeout of Aubrey Huff, a double by Cody Ross and a single by Brandon Crawford added three more.
Vogelsong pitched 6 2/3 scoreless innings for the win, and now that he has enough innings to qualify for the ERA title, he leads the National League with a 2.02 mark.
Reason To Still Watch
In the bottom of the fifth inning, Matt Kemp made, according to Vin Scully, "a catch Willie Mays would be proud of." Andres Torres hit the ball to just about the deepest part of the ballpark in center field, and Kemp somehow ran it down, catching the ball over is shoulder just before running into the padded wall. After seeing the replay and the crowd's stunned reaction to the play, Scully said of Kemp, "He has just become a giant, while still a Dodger."
Notes
- Buster Posey was injured on May 25. Since then, his replacements at catcher for San Francisco have hit a collective .218/.309/.327 in 180 plate appearances. During that same span, Dodgers catchers have hit .197/.263/.280 in 176 PA.
- Juan Uribe had two singles, his first multi-hit game in three weeks.
- Rafael Furcal had a walk tonight, but went hitless in his three at-bats. Furcal is 0 for his last 18, and has three hits in his last 39 at-bats.
- Relief pitcher Merkin Valdez opted out of his minor league contract today, and will be a free agent, per Chris Jackson of the Albuquerque Examiner. The 29-year old Valdez was 4-2 with a 3.58 ERA and four saves with Albuquerque this season, with 24 walks and 43 strikeouts in the hitter-happy Pacific Coast League.
- The Dodgers won four of their first five games against the Giants this season, but have lost their last five encounters.
- Rubby De La Rosa and Madison Bumgarner will do battle Tuesday night in the battle of Armenia.
WP - Ryan Vogelsong (7-1): 6 2/3 IP, 7 hits, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts
LP - Chad Billingsley (8-8): 5 1/3 IP, 9 hits, 5 runs, 4 strikeouts
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I
Think Frank McCourt has a better chance to still be the owner on 1/1/2012 than the Dodgers have of winning 72 games.
Actually
I think he will still be owner in the sense that it won’t be sold but MLB will take over because they can’t let the team crater in the off season. But they will be in court too.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this season the low point of LA Dodger history?
I think only Kemp and Kershaw and a few other players might save it from being so..
They aren’t going to be as bad on the field as 1992, but coupled with the ownership fiasco this season sucks more balls.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If this year is another 1992, I’ll take it. At least we’d have 5 consecutive ROY to look forward to.
by court168627 on Jul 18, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
When
I pay more attention to a courtroom in Delaware than a ballpark in San Francisco, that should answer your question.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
This season suck so bad...
we keep repeating ourselves over and over and cant think anything else or of what could become of anything for the dodgers because we don’t know what the future holds except a losing record…
"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys
My favorite Matt Kemp catch is still the game at Milwaukee in the bottom of the 9th, Jason Kendall slammed a ball to deep center field and Kemp ran fuel speed towards the fence and caught the ball over hi shoulder. Amazing catch.
he hit a grand slam the top half of that inning right?
by eitherethier on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a video of the catch from tonight?
Also, that catch was amazing from the Brewers game. Seriously a classic. I don’t know how it didn’t get more play.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
sweet, thanks
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
agreed
because Broxtonw as close to blowing that game
by Dodgerblue8188 on Jul 19, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey underdog
In the last thread, I compared this game to “Andelusian Dog.” How accurate was that?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
more like
“The Young and the Damned” or “Land Without Bread” if you’re going for Bunuel!
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
How can the Pirates and Indians be in first place
with under 50 million $ payrolls. Isn’t L.A. supposed to be a major market city with major market talent.
"show me a hero and I'll show you a tragedy"
Sometimes, shit doesn’t happen.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 18, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess
The Mets, Cubs and White Sox play in smail markets.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
the owners wife
Isn’t screwing pool boys in 7 mansions in Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Begs the question;are there 7 mansions and pool boys in Pittsburgh and Cleveland?
by preacher roe on Jul 19, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
For Dodger fans who remember the Fox years
Chase Carey is about to be promoted to CEO of News Corp.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
I'd rather watch baby seal harvesting, its a little less tragic
"show me a hero and I'll show you a tragedy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHiVlhQz9EQ
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Is this the Dodger's fate
until there is a change in ownership or is there a possibility of being competitive next year with a few roster changes (without ownership change)?
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 10:31 PM PDT reply actions
Next year
Loney, Furcal, Blake, Barajas & Navarro will all be gone. That’s a start but there’s still plenty of other craters to fix.
by silverwidow on Jul 18, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think ownership will change by the start of next season.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on what they are making
And if the team still has Ethier, Kemp and Kershaw, they might have 16M to spend for 3 infield positions and a catcher. If Kuroda doesn’t come back, they will need a starter. I know some will think why not start Sands at 1B, Gordon at SS, and Trayvon In the OF. They could go down that path mainly because they have no choice.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
there’s so many holes to fill. I guess I’m trying to get someone to convince me that selling today and being able to compete for a tier 1 free agent would be a start to 2012 competitiveness with an eye on developing minor league talent through trade. This year is a waste so you need to trade something valuable to get something in return. (Kuroda, Bills, Ethier, Kuo, b type minor leaguers or better)????
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers simply need to implement a legit rebuilding philosophy. No more of this patchwork vet stuff. I’d love to get a superstar, but if not, just play the kids for a couple years and hope to be competitive…eventually.
by silverwidow on Jul 18, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they can afford to do that when no one is going to the games as it is.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
People will stay away as long a McCourt is associated with the team.
New owners have a big job ahead in rebuilding good will.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with the patient approach – sick of this vet shit. The Dodger farm system is not enough to help them be in the playoffs in the next few years so they need to trade for prospects and lose enough this year to draft well (assuming they would sign their drafts???).
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you ready to dump Kemp and/or Kershaw? Because that’s the only thing that’s gonna really make the farm system look better.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
not the only way
paying over slot
trading for type A’s that decline arbitration, collecting draft picks
dealing from surplus (minor league pitching) to get whats lacking hitting prospects
and by all means dealing every single non core veteran on this team that will be bring back anything
-Won’t pay dividends for years
-Would cost us our current prospects
-Treading water
-Since Kuroda screwed us that’s probably nothing.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s nothing that will pay dividends up front without a significant cost.
So the business plan has to be a long term rebuild approach.
I’m completely opposed to dealing Kemp/Kershaw.
Kemp
Has to be signed this off-season or else he will be a free agent to be distraction in 2012. And the likelihood he gets signed as a free agent us slim.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can’t imagine why Kuroda wouldn’t agree to be dealt since it’s only for 2 and half months or less. He doesn’t need to move his family. I just don’t see any disruption.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair he did sign an incredibly below market contract to re-sign with us, so I can’t be too upset with him.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully Kuroda gets out while he can. The Yankees would be a great fit for him. Would allow him to win and contend for a world series. He also would be paired up with Martin who is familiar with him. We would be able to get a young catcher which we need. Win Win situation.
by dodgers4life on Jul 18, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He
May value things like his family and comfortable living environment.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It would only be for 3 months. He could move back to Japan or resign with us after that. If I was him I’d be open to a trade.
by dodgers4life on Jul 18, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If you could
Do a Oakland Haren deal, would you do it with Kershaw. Kemp might be a Teixiera Ranger deal.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t do it without knowing what the future holds. If this McCourt crap is gonna drag out into 2012 and beyond and you can’t realistically give Kemp 150 million, maybe you have to.
The longer this drags out, it’s gonna get exponentially worse.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
To answer your question – no. But crazy trades happen with desperate teams at the trade deadline. Can Ned pull off one or two those? Who knows? I listed other players above. I’m not that crafty or know minor leagues systems well enough but I think the Dodgers could get better with some imaginative transactions. Think 2008-2009 in 2013 or 2014.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The
Dodgers don’t have a bat to trade ( not even a Marlon Anderson type) and I don’t think Kuroda brings much unless Dodgers pay his salary.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think that is a brutal fact that nobody wants to hear.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What other course can the MLB take while this messy battle with McCourt drags on?
The new owner will set the new course and spend the big bucks.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That attitude of the new owner will be key.
Does he take the idea that the fans are so disenfranchised…that even big bucks veterans wouldnt draw…therefore leading him to take the approach to gradually build the Dodgers back up, with a winning team drawing them back.
Or does he think i need to make a splash and chance it that the fans will come back based on the names on the team…and not the result on the field.
Actually
I would argue that to some extent, names brings fans to the games, I would almost say signing Prince Fielder and trading Matt would be more marketable.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
not if the team sucks beforehand
i’d have a hard time believing a 66-96 Dodger team that then signs Prince Fielder will get a big bump in ticket sales.
Maybe Pujols or A-Rod…like a very very very top name…I dont think Prince would do that.
Sell anyone not named Kemp,Kershaw,Either,Billingsley,De La Rosa or Gordon. We need to get younger at C and 3B. Hopefully McCourt is out soon so at least there will be something positive about the season. The new owner will have money and would need to sign a couple of good players to get the fans back. I still believe in this team and am confident we will be better next season.
by dodgers4life on Jul 18, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Althought I’d be open to dealing Ethier or Gordon for the right package.
I dont think Gordon is a cant miss….and Ethier while our offense would completely suck in the near term…we’re going to suck anyways so if you can get a piece that will help going forward it may be better.
Dodgers are in a tough spot this offseason
Obviously the ideal move would be to sign Kemp to an extension this offseason, but there is a good chance that won’t happen, and that he will wait for FA.
I think they have to explore dealing Ethier, at the very least gauge the market, but if they are convinced Kemp won’t re-sign with them after 2012 they might also consider trading Kemp and extending Ethier (obviously a lesser deal than Kemp, dramatically so, but an extension).
The ownership doesn’t figure to change in time to make significant moves this offseason, so you have to consider just who will be making these deals. It’s a really fluid situation with a ton of moving parts.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It does sound like
The showdown between Frank and MLB is going to happen sooner than later, so there is hope.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Aside from Wednesday with the financing decision, is the next big date whenever the August hearing is about the TV rights? That’s Frank’s last hope, is it not?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
I think before that, the creditors committee will move to appoint a trustee.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I said this because I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully) to express the Dodger ownership and the Kemp-Ethier situation. I agree with Eric’s take.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
i cant imagine extending Ethier
Unless its like a very team friendly deal.
He may try to get something less than Werth money…5/90…and there’s no way I do that.
Unless he puts up a season better then his last 3 years next year
he isn’t getting Werth money. Jason Bay might be a better comp
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
even 4/50 is too much
If Ethier was hitting 30hrs a year ok…but his severe lack of homer power just kills my interest in giving him anything, especially since his only position is at either a corner or 1st.
keep in mind
comparable to the rest of the league he is still just as good as ever. Offense is down league wide. His OPS+ is 2 points lower then last year
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
5/90 is too much. 4/60 seems more fair.
by dodgers4life on Jul 18, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you can argue the market was supressed when Bay hit the market
and he had arguably better numbers then etheir and got 4/66 witha 5th year vesting option
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
You have to consider too that we are talking about extending him this offseason, which includes one non-FA year. He’s likely to get somewhere around ~$13 million or so in arb, so you start with that, and then tack on the FA years. But at a four-year deal you still end up around the Bay deal anyway, maybe a tad less.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
well bay is fucking horrible now
they could be paying him 10 million and would probably be regretting it.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Not selling those guys maybe gets you back a couple C prospects.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
hate to say it
but people need to be prepared for the distinct possibility that 2012 will be just a little less terrible than this year. My best case is that we have new ownership by the 2012 draft so we can actually draft the BPA instead of a college reliever at #4.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
No one wants to listen
but its the truth. We have one worthwile trade chip.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Not being competitive for multiple years in a row..
May have a really bad impact on fans if this ownership situation isnt resolved.
Look at how bad attendance is this year, and thats based on prior year results usually.
Well this year is worst than last….so i cant imagine what next year’s ticket sales will be like.
The new owner will have a large community goodwill rebuild job on his hands.
well that was mostly a sorry ass game to watch in person... but
just to sounds one positive note, after watching Elbert mow these guys down, I predict kershaw shuts them up on wednesday.
and yes I survived, though am on tram home now full of giants and some dodgers fans, who knows. but I did stay til 9th, like a martyr. or fool.
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by underdog on Jul 18, 2011 10:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That doesn’t seem very sporting of him.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
he just forgot...
(*how to hit them)
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by underdog on Jul 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He seemed to be swinging better right before AS game
Back now to weak groundball suckitude
by preacher roe on Jul 19, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
MLB record since 2010 All-Star break
1) Phillies 109-61 (.641)
2) Giants 101-70 (.591)
3) Red Sox 96-72 (.571)
4) Yankees 95-72 (.569)
5) Braves 95-75 (.559)
…
26) Cubs 75-95 (.441)
27) Dodgers 73-97 (.429)
28) Astros 71-98 (.420)
29) Mariners 69-100 (.408)
30) Royals 66-104 (.388)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
depressing :(
not a great thing to put on your resume, NedCo.
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by underdog on Jul 18, 2011 10:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He can
but it would be a terrible baseball move. It’s doing wonders for the Cubs this year, right?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
That’s what they get for stealing our uniform design.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If someone who knew nothing about baseball came into this thread they would come to the conclusion that we have been a really bad team for a long time. You guys do remember that we were a pretty good team just a couple years ago, right?
I know this season sucks but some of you sound like you have been stuck rooting for the Pirates for the last 15 years.
I’ve basically seen one good team in my life and I’m getting pretty sick of it.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I had
A great run from 1974 to 1985. 1988 was a weird outlier year.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now
04 and 06 I would say were good-great years. 09 obviously the one I’m sure you’re talking about too.
Though I’m pissed I’ve never seen them win a World Series. Only born a year after :(
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
They were good sure but they died early in the playoffs.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But how many fans have seen their team go deep into the playoffs after a great year? My guess is not more than half the teams in the league in the last 20 years, I don’t think there’s a ton of parity in baseball.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I don't think this is true
Other then the Royals Pirates has anyone been that consistently bad for the last 20 years?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
ok the royals since 20 years ends at 91
Thats 2, who else? Nationals/Expos?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
cubs have only gone to one nlcs
brewers have one playoff appearence. I seriously think thats it. so 5 teams?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Not consistently bad
But how many teams have been great in the season and made it to the nlcs/alcs more than once in the last 20 years? Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Braves, Angels, Twins, and a few others, but none that have really done it multiple times.
Or whatever, it’s a dumb argument from me. Why do we suck??
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
what the fuck are you two smiling about?
"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys
about, about, about...
… does that sound right? …. kinda doesn’t.
"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys
Probably something like:
“We just saved 2 million of Casey Blake’s salary by including Carlos Santana”
Teams that haven’t been to the Series since we did it last:
Royals, Brewers, Cubs, Pirates, Orioles, Nats. This sucks.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 18, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgot the Orioles where a MLB team
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
everybody in the NL West
has gone since ‘88. The Astros have. The Rays. The Marlins won twice. There’s no sugar coating it. We need Cuban to be our Steinbrenner, as simplistic as that sounds.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
we are more likely to get the owner of hte penguins + steve garvey
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I think I can deal with an owner who has 3 billion dollars to his name
penguins have done quite well for themselves
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
true
they won a lottery for Crosby and they sucked enough to get Malkin and other players, and baseball will be different of course with no cap. As long as the owner cares about building long-term value in the community and the sport and reinvests in the system, I’m good.
Carl Pohlad was a tightwad and was a billionaire, though they won 2 titles under him cos of good management.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Bill Madlock and Jose Lind must be turning in their graves
"show me a hero and I'll show you a tragedy"
I don't agree Vegas
I think this thread is all about looking into the future and trying to get better. Eric posted the brutal fact that the Dodgers are 73-97 since the 2010 ASB. The team needs to be fixed. This is not a bout whining (we’ll leave that to Cubs fans).
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers might of been the best franchise(not sure how they arent) in the NL from 1958 - 1988
1989 – 2011 has been pretty soul crushing.
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 18, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
2011 and the revelations regarding the McCourts have been soul crushing.
Mr. McCourt’s total disregard for the fans, and the team is very disturbing.
by 68elcamino427 on Jul 18, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This was a really bad summer for the Dodgers to be an embarrassment.
I needed them this year. After Loney’s double play was punctuated by Pablo’s bomb, I realized that it was time to let go of that shred of hope I had left and accept that not only is my team bad, but the organization that I rooted for as a kid with my grandma is a laughingstock. That Kemp, Kershaw and Vin all deserve much better. At this point my only rooting interests are 20 wins for Kershaw, 40/40 for Kemp, Jerry Sands, and Bud Selig.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jul 18, 2011 11:09 PM PDT reply actions
I still have a lot of love for Billingsley and Carroll
Ethier is really letting us down, he just doesn’t look anywhere near as good as he used to for some reason even if he’s maintaining a great obp.
I’m holding out for Kershaw to strike out 250 with under a 3 ERA and Kemp to hit .300/.385/.585 with 40/40. Come on crazy hopes! lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Neither of those are particularly crazy.
Not exactly likely but its not like you’re saying something crazy like, “Jamie Carroll will hit a home run” or “Ted Lilly will go a whole week without giving up a home run.”
by fbihop on Jul 18, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want tacos
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The
Dodgers have not scored a 100 runs yet this month.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I can finally upgrade...
and nothing worth upgrading to if you want 4g.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
(they're shitty.jpg)
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 18, 2011 11:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Since the majority of the great apes
Live in areas that are inaccessible, how do they get to San Francisco?
Wait... what?
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Planet of the rise of the planet of the apes
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I'm assuming
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Ah...
Hmm, wasn’t sure where that was set. But I will add: it’s probably not realistic in other ways, too. ;-)
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cgi monkeys, james franco and the plot of deep blue sea doesn’t sound that fun.
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Never had a problem with James Franco
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Have you seen the preview for Rise of the Planet of the Apes? You can even tell in the preview that he’s phoning it in.
Or just using his skills picked up from All My Children.
judging a persons acting performance from a trailer is to try to be diplomatic
silly.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I think that you can tell if someone’s acting is bad in a trailer but can’t necessarily tell if its good. Because if there is a bunch of bad acting in a trailer, which is supposed to be a collection of good parts of the movie, then the rest won’t be much better.
Hell, the part of the trailer with John Lithgow didn’t look that good. And he’s John Lithgow!
It was John Lithgow making the John Lithgow face
what more do you want?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
no not the angry one
the weird creepy sad face
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Franco is bad ass in all my children
don’t hate, hater
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
also bad ass in Freaks and Geeks
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don’t watch TV much. If I do its between 8 am – 3pm. I miss out on a lot of stuff at night because of work, no control over the tivo. so I won’t even bother watching most stuff because I haven’t seen previous episodes.
I had no idea about Parks and Rec or w/e its called until I read about it on here.
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
hes actually in general hospital but its all good.
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
he's a good actor
in indie movies like Howl and Milk, plus a pretty smart guy.
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I didn't quite understand this comment from Joe Block
joe_block Joe Block
Where will he play? 3 OFs are playing well, ya know? RT @mastrsofrdomain: how bad do things have to get for Trayvon to get a call?
Who are these 3 OFs who are playing well? I count 2. And frankly (as I told Block in a tweet), more accurately 1.5. I do get the arguments for keeping Sands and Trayvon down for further fine tuning… but not because there is someone already up who is doing just fine in their place.
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Yeah, as I said... I didn't understand his comment. :-)
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gwynn has a 770 ops in his last 110 PAs and plays great D
so thats my guess.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I like Gwynn, and will not be one to pile on him here. He has value to the team.
But he is clearly not viewed as an every day starter and doesn’t hit like an every day left fielder. So I don’t see him as reason to keep those guys both on the farm. Not that there aren’t other good reasons, but don’t think Gwynn is one of them. (Again, I like having him on the team, mind you.) But yeah, maybe that’s who he meant.
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he does have .7 war in 200 pas
and see my comment above about positioning the OF. Gwynn in center would be a solid player… I think.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
basically
I blame Donnie
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I wish they could move the OF defense around. Its a huge problem.
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
and it could be a huge strength
/wrists.
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gotta catch the ball
Kemp’s bat is elite, him moving to RF really shouldn’t mess his value up. would it?
the infielders are okay/good. catchers suck.
Clayton Kershaw would benefit
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Donnie/ned/half of baseball
thinks Kemp/ethier are a plus defenders at their current position, so they won’t move them.
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they all should be fired. all of them, now.
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 19, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
half of baseball?
I mean I agree but that seems drastic. Kemp won a gold glove for crying out loud. Its hard, but I insist on judging gms on a curve because otherwise you just sit there and say they are all dumb and should all be fired and that gets you nowhere.
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I guess moving Gwynn to center would be right move positionally
even though Kemp has played CF better this year (and sure made an awesome play last night). I’m still a little confused as to how that would help the offense much, but defense yes. The bigger issue is, it all becomes more glaring when no one on the infield is hitting worth a damn right now. I mean if we had Old Good Raffy back, and Casey Blake healthy, and Old Loney, it would be a much better team just from that. But we don’t have any of those things, and it’s just all a big bowl of fail. Anyway…
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if we put gwynn in center
kemp in RF and Etheir in left, or outfield would actually look like a competent outfield, so I like to pretend thats the case anyways
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I was hoping we could move Furcal for something
He’s not exactly cooperating…
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maybe in August
by then he could be hitting his weight.
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Vogelson didn't have the red ribbon tonight
And Rob Neyer explains why. Even more amazingly, a Giants reliever in the past didn’t wear the red ribbon because he’s an asshole. That’s how I’d explain it anyway.
It was great meeing underdog
Def the highlight off this sorry ass game
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
great to meet you and the fiancee! sorry the game was full of Fail.
but was still fun.
and hey, you survived. :-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
67 Dodgers or 92 Dodgers
As I watch this team both from LA and SF the echos of 92 are very loud and also present was my first full on baseball season the awful 67 Dodgers who lost a mere 89 games. Al Ferrara led the team with 16 HR’s., that was all of the power on that team. If you are looking for a Loney comp try Wes Parker, although many would say he was a better fielder. For a list of names: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1967&t=LANhttp://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1967&t=LAN
However, the actual numbers turn out I do believe that this year’s team actually has more exciting players-Kemp Kershaw Ethier, Kup is still a great story. But sadly my concern even though the record says no the apt comparison maybe the 97 Dodgers which were in the process of being sold to Fox-the deal wouldn’t get done until late in Spring and unfortunately Piazza and the Dodgers ended up parting. In my mind had the O’Malley’s stayed or if MLB had approved the sale earlier Piazza would have been a Dodger alot longer. I fear the management problems may cost us more than just Matt Kemp as well as Ethier.
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