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Kershaw, Dodgers Win Battle With Giants On Guns Of Navarro

Dioner Navarro's splash hit into McCovey Cove off Tim Lincecum in the seventh inning was all the support Clayton Kershaw needed as the Dodgers avoided a sweep with a 1-0 win on getaway day at AT&T Park in San Francisco. Kershaw was magnificent, striking out a season-high 12 in eight scoreless innings, allowing only three hits and a walk. Kershaw leads MLB in strikeouts with 167.

Kershaw has also not allowed an earned run in each of his last three starts, totaling 23 innings. The only other Dodger pitcher besides Kershaw in the last 10 years to have three straight starts without giving up an earned run was Chad Billingsley, who did so last July.

Kershaw's career ERA against the Giants, in 10 games (nine starts), is 1.41. As Joe Block of KABC noted, that is the lowest mark against the Giants in MLB history.

Navarro's home run was just the second home run hit into McCovey Cove by a Dodger, joining fellow switch-hitting catcher Todd Hundley, who did so on June 30, 2000. There have been just 39 games since moving to Los Angeles that the Dodgers have won 1-0 with the only run coming via home run. Navarro has accounted for the only run via long ball twice this season, also doing so against Houston on June 19. The only other L.A. Dodger to hit more than one such home run in a season was Gary Sheffield, who did so three times in 2001.

Kershaw was removed for a pinch hitter in the top of the ninth after throwing 111 pitches, even though all Trent Oeltjen was asked to do was sacrifice. Javy Guerra closed out the win with a perfect ninth inning, for his sixth save.

The Dodgers are off tomorrow, then open a nine-game homestand Friday against the Nationals.

WP - Clayton Kershaw (11-4): 8 IP, 3 hits, 1 walk, 12 strikeouts

LP - Tim Lincecum (8-8): 7+ IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 4 walks, 7 strikeouts

Sv - Javy Guerra (6): 1 IP, 1 strikeout

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Kershaw on the postgame

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice timing, Frank’s attourney just finished, Lauria coming back in to close the game for MLB.

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Judge Gross says Dodgers are a franchise, MLB does have economic standing to propose loan.

Lauria: “There is absolutely no tension or animosity between MLB and the LAD. We are joined at the hip. It’s impossible.”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin
Lauria on McCourt not having to repay $4.75m to Highbridge if MLB loan selected: “Everybody understands there’s a conflict of interest.”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin
Lauria on McCourt using Montana property as collateral: “He may have lost the asset if he could not get the team to pick up the tab.”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boom
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Lauria: Not fair to make Dodgers pay for $14m more for a loan so McCourt can get $5.25m for himself.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Judge Gross cites examples of MLB “not being forthcoming” to Dodgers, including withholding of national revenue sharing

Whoops

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s totally gonna let McCourt take the Highbridge loan.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll be surprised if he does.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

HiYo!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

BRLLNT

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Lauria?

Wondered what he was up to since Wonder Years.

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas Lauria, distance cousin of Hugh.

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

L-A-U-R-I-A Lauria!

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by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hugh is british, Thomas not, maybe the name changed with time and geography :)

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dioner Navarro - Hero AGAIN

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

looks like Tigers

traded for Betemit to send our way in the Kuroda deal ahha

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

hehe that would be cool with me, except he's a FA at season's end.

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arb eligible right?

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he was this past off-season?

and re-signed to one year deal…

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Six saves for Javy

I wonder if he could be trade bait for a young hitter or two if we combine Javy with Kuroda

by The Dude Abides on Jul 20, 2011 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Dioner Navarro - Hero Again

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

“Kershaw is better than really good.”

"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."

by DodgerSF on Jul 20, 2011 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s a bright spot in a sea of oil spill

"show me a hero and I'll show you a tragedy"

by Alexp11 on Jul 20, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last night

HJ: Ugh, the Dodgers are terrible

Mrs HJ: What, I thought they were doing good?

HJ: Why’d you think that…they stink

Mrs HJ: But they had 3 guys in the all-star game and you told me that Kemp and Kershaw were great. You told me Kemp is a beautiful man and if we had a daughter you’d want her to marry Kershaw…

HJ: Yeah, but everyone else sucks

Mrs HJ: even that old guy with the beard

HJ: He’s too hurt to suck

today:
HJ: I am leaving for work early this AM, want to get a jump on the day, going to watch some of the Dodger game at lunch
Mrs HJ: Kershaw must be pitching

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I see Mrs. HJ is wise.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

she’s a keeper

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome stuff

Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.minorleagueball.com
www.mlbdailydish.com

by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 20, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

my wife knows the team stinks but thats about it. oh and fuck victorino and that matt holliday’s nickname should be “oh my balls!”

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

HJ

probably replied with some knitting comment under his breath.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great victories in 2011

In a season of complete suckiness, it still astounds how many cool games we have won. Help me out
1. Opening Day 1st Kershaw win over Lincecum
2. TGJ game saving catch
3. Russell Mitchell game tieing home run converted to victory
4. Today
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

5. TGJ game winner vs. Angels (Kershaw CG)

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was the day you just laughed and wondered how Frank would make the June 30 payroll, but that he definitely would meet it.

Good call.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was there too, with my dad, for the first time since I was a pre-teen

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

why’d you go all the way to 10 when you know we’ve only won 4 games.

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Matt Kemp

having two game winning HR

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by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need details Tommy

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

only details I can remember

Both were day games. One was against the Cards, hit off of Ryan Franklin. The other was against the Braves, I believe it was a game Kershaw pitched, a throwback day. I don’t remember what Brave pitcher he hit it off of

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by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Down 2-1 on a Sunday against Franklin. Scully: “They pitched to the one man who could beat them, and he did.”

Mattingly left Kershaw in for the 9th inning on a throwback day against the Braves four days later, and Atlanta tied it in the 9th. Kemp hit a two-run shot in the 12th (?) for a 5-3 win.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

You call that details:)

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

i remember this game

and i remember Vin Scully saying that!

"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."

by DodgerSF on Jul 20, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

the

Kemp tackling Navarro win

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

anytime Matt Kemp kicks someones ass while everyone else piles on

anytime Dee Gordon steals home

but yeah, mostly it

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

loved watching that game in person

my dad the angels fan… not so much

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by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

there was the game in Cin(?) where we were down like 10-3 and won.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

that popped in my head too

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES!

that one, two HR for Kemp, including a grand slam!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That pretty much covers it.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

its really good

and the low lights too

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly I skipped those

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

15 run shutout against the Twins.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Humma

you are a Chinatown fan, you probably appreciated Jon’s title too.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds familiar

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

TGJ game-saving catch with 2 outs in the 9th earlier this year…a Broxton save!

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

the walk off win against the Padres

after being no-hit until the 9th

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

also a Dioner walk-off

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dioner has the lone RBI in three 1-0 wins this year.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has the right stuff

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers have four 1-0 wins this year.

The other was Friday before the break against the Padres…Furcal RBI single in the 8th

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

3-year, $10 million deal coming right up

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by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

is he not getting a signing bonus? That’s less annually than Barajas signed for.

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pure Azure left out the word “per” :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

makes sense now.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't 3.33 more than 3.25?

or am I missing something?

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by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was including the $6mil deferred until 2016.

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

finally got to see the Navarro HR

what a bomb!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

His new nickman is Splash Mountain

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s more like the Fantasyland Drinking Fountain

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

accepted

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donnie didn’t put Kershaw out there in the 9th because they’re out of the race and no reason to risk anything.

I appreciate the honesty.

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I appreciate him caring about Kid K

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

#7 LAN 1-0

That was the 7th most likely final score and a refreshing win.

by Xeifrank on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

It was my original pick, then I started thinking to much about Javy

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off day tomorrow

then on to Hiroki Kuroda Appreciation Night.

by Xeifrank on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

ill be there!

got some great seats.. infield reserve section 1 row a. thanks stub hub.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I think of it asHiroki’s last game as a dodger, I might cry…

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

he could be back next year

i would hope he is, I love watching Hiro pitch

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe – will txt you later

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maddz and I are going the 22nd as well.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

my free ticket passes are blacked out on Friday-Saturday : (

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

delias man says there are some good deals to be had for that game.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

the non-stop advertisements tell me that

by delias man on Jul 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

is it in-stadium only?

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

there, TV, email, everywhere.

by delias man on Jul 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can go with Craig, tell HJ to get his own ticket:)

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally

I got the new HJ method

But the very cheapest tickets on stubhub for the level you want to sit

right before stubhub shuts down, spy a big block of seats in a place you’d like to sit

enter that level and walk to those vacant seats

rinse repeat

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Technically

he was another start the next week at home vs Colorado, but only a few days before the deadline. So there could be two Hiroki Kuroda Appreciation Nights.

by Xeifrank on Jul 20, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets see. He’ll pitch Friday the 22nd. And would pitch the 27th against Colorado.

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bringing the heat*
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Lauria: Not fair to make Dodgers pay for $14m more for a loan so McCourt can get $5.25m for himself.

*baseball analogy for Humma

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Is there any doubt

that Kershaw is far superior to Lincecum?

What a game he pitched! I would have let him finish it, but glad Guerra was able to close it out.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

yes

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Home runs surrendered to Dioner Navarro by Kershaw: 0

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t even need to compare them

I am secure that our guy is great

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Fuck their guy. What does it matter? They’re both great.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

they really are

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

People can shut up now about passing up Lincecum. Maybe he would’ve helped us win a WS in 2008 or 09, but CK has a brighter future.

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've never complained about passing up Lincecum

But I firmly believe we win a WS in 08 with Lincecum instead of Kershaw (assuming the Manny deal still happened)

Going forward, I’d rather have CK

by Michael White on Jul 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

We beat the Phillies with Lincecum, Lowe, Kuroda and Bills?

Interesting debate.

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Furcal still make that error in Game 1?

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

different infield at Dodger Stadium.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum made us nine games better? Amazing. : )

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny would have seen the writing on the wall earlier, and forgot which knee was hurt earlier :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

with home field advantage, yes :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, fuck you, Ruiz.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

they're both terrific

but right now going forward, I am happier to have Kershaw that’s for sure. (Just given age difference, year started, etc.)

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, lincecum still has the wacky delivery hanging over him

He’s beaten the monkey, but the longevity questionmarks will linger forever IMO

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 3:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

forever?

even after he has pitched 10+ years? Even after retiring?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

fine

For at least a few more years.

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

positives, positives

Its still theoretically possible CK could win 20. He’d have to win 9 of approximately 12-13, but stranger things have happened.

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 3:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

If he one 20 on a team this bad, that would be some serious Cy Young contention.

by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Jul 20, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

purple rain

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

buzzkill

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is Kershaw going to finish in Cy Young voting?

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by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Not first because goddamnit halladay

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by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean wiltering Doc

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

waaah waaah

“its hot, waaaah waaaaaah”

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that all it was? no injury?

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw: 11-4 2.72 ERA .209 BAA 1.02 WHIP
Halladay: 11-4 2.57 ERA .245 BAA 1.05 WHIP

I think Kershaw has an extremely strong case for Cy Young

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Jul 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except his numbers are completely inferior to Halladay who also pitches in the NL (for the best team in the NL too)

by Michael White on Jul 20, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I realize you're talking about fip and xfip and such

but hallway is walking less people but allowing a lot more hits than kershaw. That kind of thing doesn’t matter in fip or xfip unfortunately

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's only 0.15 at this point. That's a bad outing from halladay away from being right there with kerahaw

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hanrahan needs to get some serious votes.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

even with lee hamels and halladay?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’ll finish higher than Lee and Hamels.

He leads the majors in K’s. Never underestimate that with voters.

But of course it’s still July.

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Season is ENTIRELY too young to tell.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kudos on the Title

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:40 PM PDT reply actions  

guys old enough to get the reference

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I almost used “Guns of Navarro” earlier this season, but passed it up. Couldn’t do it this time; never know when another opportunity will come. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he keeps pitching like this

We’ll have to change his name from Kid K to Special K

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

If he survives to 25 that will be waiting for him.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

ive already decided captain K wrks better

Gets the right initials and everything.

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 3:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

that’s why I asked and what I feared

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I’m worried that Kemp will become Mister M.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loney

would make a good Mr. Greenjeans

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bud - not liking his dirty laundry aired (Delias will like this)

BillShaikin

Judge Gross cites examples of MLB “not being forthcoming” to Dodgers, including withholding of national revenue sharing

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

don’t judge a case by a shaikin tweet

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

98% of everything today has been MLB-favored. Judge is doing his best not to appear one-sided.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

no one should expect baseball to be on a white horse, it is only frank’s black hat that makes MLB the good guys

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

great pull

both repulsive greedy bullies

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Franks's more E.B. Farnum

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Lauria scoffs at idea that MLB suddenly flipped on Dodgers bet. 5/10 and 2/11. “Were there additional events that might be relevant?”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Lauria: “We want this team to succeed. We’re here to save it money, not to cost it money.”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw is like prime Johan, amirite?

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Different pitchers, and Kershaw is doing at 23 what Santana didn’t do until 26/27.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Santana’s first five full years as a starter he had a 157 ERA+

Kershaw was at 125 coming into today.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

apples to oranges, man. You can’t (in my mind) use a stat that is based on a league in a year to determine ranking when the league and years are different. 2002-2006 AL is a whole lot different than 2008-2011 NL.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, but is it fair to say that Santana put up very similar numbers (but a better walk rate) in a league that didn’t feature All Star Scott Rolen.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, Johan was All World compared to everyone else for at least a couple years there.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

ERA+ is normalized for park and league.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still hard to argue the offensive differences between those years.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you’re on the Santana side?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Santana prime > What we’ve seen from Kershaw so far.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Park and league, but not year.

According to ERA+, Pedro Martinez had the best year any pitcher has ever had, but I have to think that has as much to do with timing as anything else. Compare Pedro’s best years to other great years and I really don’t know how you measure who’s better, pitch-for-pitch.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Compare fip xfip and tera

Not era+

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t account for incredibly different environments.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs WAR?

While FIP based, that should adjust for competition

by Michael White on Jul 20, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure.

Kershaw is on pace for about six WAR.

Johan at his best was about 7.5.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn't account for today

im sure that’ll bump him up to around 4.3-4.5. I’d guess he ends up around 6.5 by the end of the year, which would have been I believe santana ls 3rd best season or so?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fourth.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

What it does account for is ERA

are we at the point still where we go off a stat that only deals with earned runs? Or is it pretty much to show the difference in then to now? I’m ok with the last part, but it still doesn’t show nearly the whole story. Santana is better though in that time frame

So far

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if MLB is still making its closing argument

Why is Gross speaking as well?

TBLA's most forgettable intermittent commenter.

by dsm9412 on Jul 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Because Bankruptcy Court isn’t as monologue driven as movies would lead us to believe?

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

unlike a jury trial, you are talking to one person who can ask questions.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I know I’m in the minority here as not having a law degree.

TBLA's most forgettable intermittent commenter.

by dsm9412 on Jul 20, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was wondering myself, all my court proceeding are colored by movies and tv. I know they are BS but I have no idea what parts are BS.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The parts

where they spend time in Court, 99% of law work is grunt work and paper shuffling

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know that part where a guy gets up and yells, “You’re out of order! He’s out of order! THE WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM’S OUT OF ORDER!!”

….well, that’s BS.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha, but without it, how does Paul win an Oscar?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Newman didn’t win for The Verdict. He won for The Color of Money.

And that’s Pacino, and he didn’t win for …And Justice for All, he won for Scent of a Woman.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Details, I’m a big picture guy.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loved Scent of a Woman

“You don’t know what out of order is, Mr. Trask. I’d show you but I’m too old, I’m too tired, I’m too fuckin blind.”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite video store banner:

Scent of a Woman – Inside!

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

except

for firing a gun in Court. That used to always happen.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I havent watched this yet

http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The_Staircase_Disc_1/70035094?trkid=496624

but an old coworker of mine said it gave him panic attacks cuz it reminded him of working on a trial

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would this movie be called

“Anatomy of an Owner”?

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rachel Phelps story.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

movies

have bankruptcy court scenes?! haha

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a world where a greedy businessman can overextended himself through unfavorable loan parameters… one man is all that stands between him and the law…

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is good, if said using the NFL voice.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So no one is going to come running in to confess?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shame this was a not a national game.

1. Kershaw game score of 87
2. Kershaw 12 K’s
3. Navarro deciding home run, is a splash shot not done since the last switch hitting catcher who was universally hated did it.
4. Breaks the six game losing streak to the Giants
5. Most importantly starts a 13 game winning streak.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

the dodgers finally figured out

How to clone kershaw 12 times!?!?

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm sorry, that was a sikky comment.

You only need to clone him 4 times, 3 if you like Rubby.

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 3:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

this will get some ESPN and MLB NETWORK love due to it being the Giants and Timmy

also since it is done early, highlights will run during east coast prime time – unlike usual west coast highlights

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN doesn't care

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN cares about ratings

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

WAIT!

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES

are you telling me a TV channel…cares about it’s ratings? Moreso than content?

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

strange but true, east coast bias is nothing more than pandering to population density and fanbase intensity

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn. And here I thought the Yankees were objectively the best team every year. And that the South was the only place true college football and baseball were played. I was sure of it.

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm open to interpretation on this one
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Judge Gross: “Listening to the debtors, I have been feeling a little like chopped liver up here.”

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Guessing

he may think the Dodgers are not giving the Court credit for recognizing some flaws and also that no matter what, nothing will happen with the Dodgers without his approval.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's a diva?

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strange comment
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Judge Gross: “Listening to the debtors, I have been feeling a little like chopped liver up here.”

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

T/F

Kershaw will beat Doc for the You-Know-What

by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

F

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

False

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jul 20, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs 20 wins and close to 300 Ks for that to happen.

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Kid K really that far off?

Halladay has the better control numbers. But both aren’t THAT far off.

by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on how much water Doc drinks the rest of the way.

or maybe, just maybe, Doc could be a robot.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

It all comes back to Al Pacino and Humma via Bill Shaikin
Lauria: “if my client is the devil, I am the devil’s advocate.”

Lauria: “they’ve already done the deal with the devil. They’re part of MLB. They’re the devil’s spawn.”

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Weird
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Lauria: “if my client is the devil, I am the devil’s advocate.”

Lauria: “they’ve already done the deal with the devil. They’re part of MLB. They’re the devil’s spawn.”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

are there stats

for how many times “sperm” has been said in bankruptcy court?

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

This seems like a bad way to make an argument.

TBLA's most forgettable intermittent commenter.

by dsm9412 on Jul 20, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is what happens when analogies are let loose

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Explains interleague play and the DH, though.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lawyers just like to make “learned” jokes. They’re not funny, not meant to be. Everybody gives a little smile and moves on. They’re just so they can show how they all appreciate each pother. Don’t take this stuff (like the “Dodgers won 15-0 so they must be fine”) seriously.

by berkowit28 on Jul 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t done a lick of work today between the game and trial.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have – but it has all been phone time

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the most convincing argument about the TV rights.
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Lauria on Dodgers’ media rights: “When those are monetized, what’s left? How are they going to pay players in the future?”
1 minute ago

TBLA's most forgettable intermittent commenter.

by dsm9412 on Jul 20, 2011 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

This is most of my concern.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but since that argument is set for August, it is premature (aside from the fact the Dodgers loan is predicated on selling those rights soon)

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

And actually that is the not real reason

the real reason is that the last time the Dodgers were for sale, the media rights were locked up for 10 years. If they get locked up again, the sales price takes a big hit.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon "Big Time" Lennox

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got to talk to Josh quite a bit before one of the games. Seemed like a great guy who obviously reads TBLA but when he asked me a question about his show, I had to be honest and tell him I don’t listen. I felt bad. I didn’t realize until I talked to him that his goal is PBP major league announcer.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like him and Block

much better than Collins and Lyons

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

uncomfortable moment

I like Josh fine, it is the callers I don’t want to be associated with so I rarely listen

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is how I feel about TBLA, but Phil says I have to show up because Eric sucks at moderating, David is always on vacation, and Chad well, I don’t think Chad has being a moderator in his contract, that is probably beneath him, he’s so busy writing and all. .

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

classic

the rest of us really do feel that way sometimes…but usually someone sticks around, kicks a little ass, the problems cleans itself up

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer Dodger Talk

to most of the sports talk stuff on 710AM and 570AM. Atleast Dodger Talk is talking about the Dodgers and sometimes the hosts talk without the callers is pretty good. I like Roger Lodge’s sports talk show in the morning because he actually talks about a local baseball team (be it the Angels). If the Dodgers had something like that I’d likely give it a listen. I just can’t stand listening to the likes of Collen Cowherd and his endless talk about college football 13 months of the year.

by Xeifrank on Jul 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I listen just about after every game…except for Sunday when for some reason the online audio never works.

Like Joe and Josh together, even if I disagree sometimes with Joe especially. But they are worth listening to.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was one of those under consideration for the “away” games with Lyons. I think they tried him out (along with 5 others) for a few games, and everyone on DT liked Suchon the best. I did, and I’d never heard Dodger Talk, it was the first I’d heard of him. He should have got the job. (Unless I’m confusing him with his former partner who’s now in Seattle or somewhere?)

by berkowit28 on Jul 20, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that is how the conversation started, I told him how much I liked his PBP this past spring.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Cool

brandon does a GREAT job and deserves the accolades

What me worry?

by MammothDodger on Jul 20, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Started playing Words With Friends. Pretty damn addicting.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

if its blnot weird to ask...

Could you/somebody friend me on “the Facebook” so I could get that? I don’t exactly use facebook much, so I don’t have any friends with it. Name: Adam Berman

by Riffraffselbow on Jul 20, 2011 4:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

sure

but um, not finding you.. lets see

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adam B. No, that’s too obvious. A. Berman.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

YES!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

do y’all really expect me to swallow that tripe?

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now, courtesy of the Meat Council, here’s some delicious tripe!

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

tripas!

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m hear all week, Try the Cabesa.

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ate at a triperia in florence

not my favorite meal

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love menudo

so I’m a tripe fan

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Menudo, it’s good mood food.

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was nice knowing you, Eric. See you in six months when all your wheat has died.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

my bro always plays that with his wife

i have no smart phone, otherwise I think I could smoke them

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never tried to smoke a phone. Can you get high?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ask

Lincecum

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

funny thing is

I was about to say that was not how I meant or worded it, then I realized I did.

I lost to the best, I feel no shame

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Gross: “If I deny the (dodgers) motion (for their loan), there’s no financing. … How does that get done?”

Lauria: We’re prepared to offer. We’re prepared to fund. We’re subject to the court’s discretion.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher

Lauria: MLB, #Dodgers “worse than married….(Pause) Wait, that may not sound good on the record.”

Lauria: claim of MLB animus toward #Dodgers a “strawman that just isn’t reality.”

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

turntable.fm

http://turntable.fm/tbla in case anyone wants to dj some music for a little bit… ill be here for 5 or so min if anyone stops by….

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Almost done with them

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s 7:13 there, are they really going to finish tonight? Aty what point will Gross rule?

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
And for those scoring at home, we began ‘closing’ arguments two hours ago. #Dodgers.
58 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

What me worry?

by MammothDodger on Jul 20, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow!

I thought closing arguments, you know, didn’t take long…

by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

well for some reason

my twitter time stamps everything an hour off, even though I have checked my setting mutiple times so this was jsut a couple min ago not an hour ago

What me worry?

by MammothDodger on Jul 20, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Tony Jackson
A Dodgers position player who shall go nameless, as we entered clubhouse after game: `Well, that change of hitting coaches worked out well.’

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

though i know he's not well liked here

Larry Bowa blasted the move on MLB tonight. Said Pentland was “one of the best in the business” and was made “a scapegoat”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

silk purse / sows ear
chicken salad / chicken shit
major league hitter / dodgers roster

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well he’s certainly right about the scapegoat part.

TBLA's most forgettable intermittent commenter.

by dsm9412 on Jul 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's right about that.

In other news, I wish Larry Bowa had been their hitting coach. So he was the one fired.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But then he'd probably promptly get a TV analysis gig and we'd have to listen to...

OH SHIT!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it in all its forms – there is an italian bacon made with the pigs cheek that is fantastic

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

typical if you’re eating at their Denny’s, but I’m hard pressed to believe most families don’t just eat cereal

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

what's that tomatoe doing there?

and where’s the hash browns?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hash brown triangles are in the 10 and 11 o’clock positions

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

they do look like potato chips, however

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fried bread, not hash browns.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

then the french can take their breakfast and shove it

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

the english too!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that

Dan Quayle’s version of tomato you are referencing there?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, that’s not gas inducing or anything

no wonder no one brushes their teeth in england, everyone is farting so much that it is impossible to smell bad breath

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because pancakes, two eggs, bacon, and hash browns is a regular super digestible breakfast

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal Commie

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oi, I was the one what said they just eat cereal like we do, and that Julio ate a tourist breakfast the entire time : )

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The italians don’t eat cereal and don’t beans either

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly, you can’t even make a sight joke about the brits around here

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

My cousin lived in Austrailia for few years

he was not a fan of them.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

you mean the cool brits?

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually new an Aussie one, no we can’t make fun of them either.

The Greeks?

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Persians.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH HELL NOOO

Persians are fun!

FUN I SAY!

/ihaveafewfriendswhoarepersian

by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s make fun of white people, it is so easy.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m good with this.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m ghostly white. It’s all been said before.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

at my age

I’m more translucent than white

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m out, I can’t be party to that.

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can feed you some lines after I finish eating my PBAJS

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear Aussie and New Zealand women love the American flat accent. Southern Californians and some midwesterners rejoice!

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?!

Maybe that’s why that chick from New Zealand digged me. Fuck yeah.

by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure wasn’t your good looks

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

skirts with accents

are sexy

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Skirts with accents who think your American speak is sexy are just about the greatest thing on earth.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Skirts with accents who think your American speak is are sexy are just about the greatest thing on earth.

ftfy

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 20, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

i need to go

to one of those countries

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Apparently it’s the same reaction us American males have to put up with everytime an Aussie man says anything around our American women.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Payback is good

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think if I had known this I would have gotten my undergrad at Auckland U.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know for a fact I’d have visited them at least once. No wonder my friend had such a smile when he came back.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I spent 9 years in the Navy trying to get a cruise to the Aus.

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not that I’m complaining about my current situation :)

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by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have it on good authority the Aussies do the dishes whenever they are fed breakfast

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

well fuck this shit, I’m out.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

forgot the :)

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is this chain not green?

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love a creative butcher department.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

This picture will make hearts explode.

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The chicken breakfast sausage looks pretty sweet.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ron Swanson, for the french kissing win

by Josie Becker on Jul 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Closing over. US Trustee attorney now speaking.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

wonder how much sway he has

his brief (might be a her) was very pro-mlb financing

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
US Trustee atty likens Dodgers to “miscreant 13-year-old” who thinks everything will be OK with an apology

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Double Wow

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, part 2
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
US Trustee atty says “I would have had a fit” had I known about $5.25m fee right away

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would he go there
EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
US trustee attorney re: Highbridge fees: “This has to be addressed. You have to wonder if this whole case is tainted.” #Dodgers

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
US trustee atty: “I feel like I’ve been lied to .. A half-truth is as good as a while lie.” Fee amount withheld, not promptly disclosed.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love this image

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

same here

Uncle Sam is GON DO SOM BOUT DIS!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s phucking Cap’t America right there

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Just picture me rollin”

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
Lawyer for Highbridge says US Trustee claims re fees “offensive,” says there was no attempt of any kind to hide the fees. #Dodgers

What me worry?

by MammothDodger on Jul 20, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

The United States Trustee Program is a component of the Department of Justice responsible for overseeing the administration of bankruptcy cases and private trustees under 28 U.S.C. §586 and 11 U.S.C. §101, et seq.

It consists of 21 regional U.S. Trustee Offices nationwide and an Executive Office for U.S. Trustees (EOUST) in Washington, DC.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sending this guy some chocolates

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am absolutely convinced

whatever the U.S. Trustee says now has no bearing on this decision.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

like he doesn’t matter, or that it’s already been decided?

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Already been decided

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I WAS TALKING TO HIM

Yeah, that’s what I figured too. I’m no lawyer, but it seems obvious what should happen. It’s because of this that I’m sure the Dodgers loan will be selected.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the MLB loan will be selected.

by silverwidow on Jul 20, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I was just being snarky. Yeah, I think and hope so too.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

A little of both

for one, there is no Trustee appointed in this case

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

if the US Trustee is only there to ensure laws are followed, he has no real sway outside of suggesting the case is valid or not, no? He carries no decision making power, so what is he? Political weight?

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other bankruptcies

Trustee can be appointed to oversee case, even in the Texas Ranger matter, Selig had to work with Trustee to sell team.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

so the answer to whether he has decision making power is “sometimes”.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He speaks for the unsecured creditors (includes all the players).

by berkowit28 on Jul 20, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who in fact

are the most secured unsecured creditors in history. The players including the ones with deferred contracts are basically already secured by MLB. That leaves very little for them to worry about.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Precedent

is for the loan selected by the Debtor to be chosen. That is the hurdle to be overcome.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Highbridge lawyer: US Trustee asked us to lower fees, so how can trustee say he didn’t know about our fees?

This feels a whole lot like a schoolyard nitpick fight

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

boom

shacka lacka

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
If you’re scoring at home, MLB, Fox and US Trustee all oppose Dodgers’ motion for Highbridge loan arranged by McCourt

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Fox only owes us $75m more for the next two years. Crap.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We knew that already though.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

News to no one but me. The TV deal is only going to net us $37.5mil per season?

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The current Fox TV deal was previously reported in the offseason as $35m in 2011, $37m in 2012, and $39m in 2013.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

holy crap

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

What was the numbers on the deal that Frank wanted MLB to approve?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

$1.7B over 17 IIRC

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

which included reworking the next two years IIRC

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

KCAL pays about 12-13M for their games so the total local rights are about $50M through 2013 (KCAL deal ends then too). I will assume a new deal will put all games on cable.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

KCAL! FTMFW!

by robotmadeofnails on Jul 20, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

You’ll be rolling in dough by then and ponying up for cable/satellite/whatever.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

only roadblock is

I keep hearing the bk court gives the party filing bk a ton of deference when it comes to making decisions for themselves..

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 20, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh boy
MagicJohnson: I’ll be making a big announcement in Detroit tomorrow…

by Julio Nievas on Jul 20, 2011 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Cure. Found.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, he’s running for President of Earth.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Laimbeer dies tonight

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Starting a new basketball league

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

and he’s going to come out of retirement

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin Malone was not invited

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Karl?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

both of them, in fact all Malones are not invited.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except

Sam Malone, he can play.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moses says GFY

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

He bought Ford

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

joining Pistons ownership group is my guess.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not Dodger ownership?

;-)
Wonder if that’s why Molly Knight was sent to detroit this week. couldn’t figure out any other reason.

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not NBA ownership

Magic’s next tweet:

Look forward to help putting people back to work in my home state.

Sounds like just another Magic Johnson business venture. Probably will be successful.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
McCourt lawyer Bennett back up. “Interdependence isn’t fostered by making 5-yr commitments and breaching them in year 2”

Not sure what he’s referring to here

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 20, 2011 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Blue Co. wasn't made in a day

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going back to the idea

that MLB approved the plan to sell rights in 2011.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy, easy rec

How is it that I just made it green now?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tigers starting pitcher today

named Duane Below

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s the funniest if you say it in the Tracy Morgan “I’m Brian Fellow!” voice.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

“That bird is a liar!”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good god I hope he’s a submariner who throws hard and can come out to Michigan’s favorite son bellowing “The Fire Down Below”.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

the beat goes on

EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
Gross: No ruling tonight on #Dodgers. Need to review material.

What me worry?

by MammothDodger on Jul 20, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Latest Shaikin

Judge Gross: Should I take a break and rule tonight or rule at a later time?

Judge: I will not rule tonight.

Judge: “To me, this is about dollars and cents. This is not a control issue.” Bad news for Mccourt

by berkowit28 on Jul 20, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Lost my block quotes. Sorry.

by berkowit28 on Jul 20, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a blue pill for that

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by meercatjohn on Jul 20, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

On line for sale at McCovey Cove.

by Grimjack on Jul 20, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Bugs Bunny voice: "Would you like me to rule now or wait til we get home?"

“Oh no you don’t, not this time! Wait til we get home!”
“Okay!”

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Padres

kicking the ever-living shit out of the Marlins. 10-0 in the 2nd inning. Have the bases loaded with 1 out

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

now

11-0

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

13-0 Padres. Missed the extra point.

by Alex41592 on Jul 20, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Make that 11-0 in the 2nd inning with the bases loaded with 1 out.

by fbihop on Jul 20, 2011 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Mike Quade doesn’t really understand the whole “rotating Earth” thing


We’ve got to stop. Ball’s in the sun, we’ve got to communicate. Cassie thought he had that all the way. I look back at this whole game to that play. The sun’s been in the same damn spot for however long Wrigley Field’s been here.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate him

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of dumb

This is from the Chronicle Live postgame show, courtesy of Grant Brisbee of the McCovey Chronicles:

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Kuroda for Lincecum.

by fbihop on Jul 20, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

guess they don't understand true definition of "mediocrity"

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

From the Minneapolis paper
@LaVelleNeal LaVelle E. Neal III
Red Sox, Dodgers, Cardinals and Blue Jays have scouts watching Slowey give up home runs tonight

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I’d be totally for some Slowey

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too. Guess it looks like we’re serious about trading Kuroda. If we trade him we need someone to take his spot and limit De La Rosa’s innigs’s. This also goes with Ned’s plan about making a move for someone who is under team control beyond this year. Hopefully we but low on a couple of other players as well.

by dodgers4life on Jul 20, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 20, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just painting a little backstory

Slowey is making $2.7 million this year, and has tow more years of arbitration eligibility.

I have no problem with trying to acquire someone like this (depending on the cost of course, which is the case in all deals).

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since the Twins booted him out of the rotation while Nick Blackburn exists, he’s a great buy low guy.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

that makes some sense

I wasl a little surprised, but even more so that Twins still consider themselves buyers, but then noticed they’re only 5.5 out so I guess still contending.

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were looking for middle relief the other day, a sixth-seventh inning guy. Kuo? Hawk? Guerrier? I’d do that in a heartbeat.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with Slowey

is who Ned would give up to get him, and why would we be dealing for more pitching. If we were to give up Hawk or Mac for him, then fine. But I could easily see Ned giving up one or two of our best AA hitters (Erickson, Silverio) to get him, in addition to giving up Hawk or Mac.

by The Dude Abides on Jul 20, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope they just want their boy Guerrier back.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind that too much. We would still have Robinson and Sands as OF’ers and could get a better catcher than Erickson if we were to trade Kuroda.

by dodgers4life on Jul 20, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully, given how dry the catching prospects look in Dodger system right now

Ned won’t trade another catching prospect (i.e., Griff) but who knows with him. I seriously doubt MacDougal would fetch a younger pitcher under control next year. Maybe Hawk, but may have to throw in a prospect. Just hope it’s a middling one.

Or it could be for Kuroda.

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the Twins coughing up the dough for Kuroda

I also don’t see him waiving his no-trade to go to Minny. I fear a deal of a middle reliever plus one of our good AA prospects for Slowey. And that would be stupid and Neddish.

by The Dude Abides on Jul 20, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then Slowey into the rotation when Kuroda goes?

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 20, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably. I don’t think Ned wants to bring up anyone in the minors until September.

by dodgers4life on Jul 20, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, but yes

Never underestimate the depth of Ned’s stupidity. Until our recent losing streak, I was fearing a deal of one or two of our better prospects in AA to Toronto to reacquire Dotel. A deal for Slowey could conceivably be worse than last season’s deal for Dotel.

by The Dude Abides on Jul 20, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they would trade a starter for another starter. Kuroda would have to approve of them to waive his no trade clause anyway. Kuroda can get back a much better package.

by dodgers4life on Jul 20, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

this would be pointless

Slowey isnt good and doesnt have a history of putting up innings at the MLB level.
His only skill is not walking batters.

I’d hate to pay a guy like that 4-5 mils next year.

Just bring up Webster, save the dough for someone thats good.

by Joey Joe on Jul 20, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Webster is doing worse than Slowey did in the bigs at AA.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Captain Eo to the rescue!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

or eovaldi will work too...

It was ridiculous to give a pitch to contact reliever like Guerrier money…doing the same thing for Slowey would be just as bad if not worse.

by Joey Joe on Jul 20, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slowey has a better career strike out rate than Kuroda.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

6.8 k/9
1.4 hr/9
1.5 bb/9

This guy isnt going to make you better.
And the most innings he’s pitched in a season is 160.

I dont spend 4-5 mils on that…no way. Not when there’s a prospect that you can plug in.

by Joey Joe on Jul 20, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

so lets just jump him from aa to the majors

even though he has yet to prove he can pitch above A. Makes complete sense.

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by nolander on Jul 20, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm talking about next season..

I’m assuming going after a guy like Slowey would be for next season…and i dont want a guy like that, who’s proven he’s not a good MLB starter…to be in the rotation.

For me, its always go with the guy that hasnt proven he sucks..which leads me to siding with youngsters rather than guys like that.

i’d be fine with Kershaw, Rubby, Billingsley, Eo or Webster, Lilly next year…while trying to dump Lilly to the first buyer i can find.

by Joey Joe on Jul 20, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

depends on what we end up giving up for him

but as we learned right away this season, having depth in the rotation is rarely a bad thing, no matter how set you think you are.

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Slowey is pretty good

I just don’t want Ned trading for any major leaguers. Other teams give up their best prospects for the likes of Adrian Gonzalez or Cliff Lee. Ned gives up our best prospects for the likes of Casey Blake, and gives up our previous year best prospects for the likes of Octavio Dotel.

by The Dude Abides on Jul 20, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

gives up lots of homers
declining k rate
great control
not an innings eater

just not seeing it…

i dont care if we deal somebody of inconsequence to get him…but i hope he’s not in the rotation next year…maybe he can be a depth guy.

But next year probably going to be bad barring a big bat (or two) signed…so i’d rather develop the youngsters than take on veteran with a low ceiling.

by Joey Joe on Jul 20, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice one

Godzilla

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by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since June 27

when the Dodgers give up at least one run, they are 2-11

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

even worse...since June 13

when the Dodgers give up at least one run, they are 4-19

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

but also have 8 shutouts during that span.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 20, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go amazing pitching!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go away shitty hitting!

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Post hearing quotes

LA Times article

“This (proposed MLB loan) agreement isn’t giving us any control,” Lauria said outside court. “That’s their whole argument, that we’re sneakily getting control. All we’re trying to do is save ’em a few bucks. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.”

Bruce Bennett, an attorney for McCourt, said he could not say what way Gross might be leaning but indicated the Dodgers could work with an MLB loan so long as it included modifications. In opening arguments, Lauria told Gross the league would make concessions to satisfy the Dodgers’ concerns about whether MLB could use the loan to accelerate an ownership change.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Shaikin sums it up well here, too
Whichever way the ruling comes down, it will not mean McCourt will lose ownership of the Dodgers. Instead, the ruling sets the stage for the parties to argue the core issue in this case: Can McCourt auction the Dodgers’ cable television rights to pay off the team’s creditors and remain the owner, or can Selig get the court to enforce the league rules to which McCourt agreed, including rules that grant Selig the right to approve all television contracts and the right to strip an owner of a team upon filing for bankruptcy?

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by underdog on Jul 20, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is kind of like a case the NHL had

a few years ago when a team wanted to move

Now that case had a time frame on it that this one doesn’t have and the NHL does not have the exemption that MLB has but as argued in Court today, MLB does not have an exemption above the Bankruptcy Court.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

though I don’t think they have updated that page in a while

by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 20, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Old friend demoted

outrighted to Reno just to watch his career die? Diamondbacks, who are only four games behind SF, called up two young relievers – Ryan Cook and Bryan Shaw – for bullpen bolstering. Can Ned outgame Kevin Towers and charge him a premium for a reliever or two from LA? Too bad they almost all have serious ?‘s. Why oh why couldn’t Broxton be healthy and effective – that’s a guy to sell at the deadline.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

He would pass through

waivers in August. Though to get anyone decent you would have to pay his salary plus wait for PTBNL.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 20, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broxton? Not under the caveat of “healthy and effective” he wouldn’t. I’m starting to believe the predictions that he doesn’t pitch again this season may come true.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

word

i wonder if they might re-sign him for cheap in the offseason. Unlikely, as teams still know what he can do when healthy

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i've asked this question

we could have easily got Chris Davis, and maybe more for him.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goldschmidt.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

or him

I actually read yesterday, the Dodgers actually drafted him back in 2006. At least according to B-ref

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I popped open a boxscore this afternoon

and saw that Kershaw had 8 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 12 K and immediately thought, with all due apologies and hat tips to Big D, “are we winning”?

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

did you see

that Dioner Navarro had the game winning Home Run off of Lincecum?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I’m all caught up now. Even saw the gameday highlights. Nailbiter game, but sweet. Lincecum’s pitch to Navarro was 89, down the middle, just above the belt, and no movement and Navarro punished it. Shitty pitch though.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

into

da Cove!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Splashdown!

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 89 comes up later

but that is definitely mislocated. But Navarro jumped on it, so good going.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matsui

wonder if we should have gotten him for LF

caveat: I have been drinking as I think this

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Slightly more ambulatory than Thames, perhaps no worse an OF than Gibbons. 1 yr/$4.25M – cost more than Thames/Gibbons/ThinGwynn combined.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Gwynn is outhitting him and isn’t completely immobile.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 20, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

but would he be hitting better not in Overstock.com coliseum?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

DS is not hitter friendly either

88 OPS+ for Gwynn, 75 OPS+ for Godzilla.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

didn't realize he's been that bad

but like i said, drunken spitballin

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stros

are reportedly willing to trade Pence.

I know there are those here who are fans.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

furcal + uribe + lilly???

/sorry

by mintxcore on Jul 20, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahahhaahaha

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ned said that he would buy if it meant building for next year. I doubt they trade him to us unless we swoop in with a great offer. If I were Ned I’d at least call and offer them Robinson and Eovaldi or Webster for Pence.

by dodgers4life on Jul 20, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This guy

is a fan. Withrow, de Jesus, and magill for him

Or is that too dodgers4life. Lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really though

trayvon, withrow, and anyone they want who’s not a top 10 prospect, maybe van slyke?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 20, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

My trade is better. I doubt we buy anyone good. We will probaly just be sellers.

by dodgers4life on Jul 20, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

HA!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 20, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

They use a Neyer/James prediction formula from a book ©2004 – seven years ago. The voters and their behaviors have changes – King Felix would never have won in 2003 with the year he had last year. Time for a formula update.

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by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s ok. The formula is from James and ESPN.com’s Rob Neyer. All they have to do is ask Rob…

Oh, wait.

by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 20, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course Navarro

couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag—but his hitting looks great if you compare it to his defense and control of runners from behind the plate. But I still have to appreciate him for the few big hits he has had to win a few games for this embarrassing team.
     Yeah, we suck, but I have to like Kershaw for figuring out it takes a shutout to win, and win a few anyway.

by Gen3blue on Jul 20, 2011 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

control of runners from behind the plate.

Navarro as thrown out 31% of the baserunners that have tried to steal on him. The NL overall is 27%, MLB is 28%.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like I said earlier today, I don’t remember him just throwing away outs like that before.

by berkowit28 on Jul 20, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nearly every throw made by a catcher to nab a base stealer is in a hurry. Bad throws are going to be way more common than, say, from the 3B to the 1B. It happens.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jul 20, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually like Navarro. And Gwynn.

Add some power at 1st, plug the holes at 2nd and 3rd, add one or two true aces to go with Kershaw, and happy days are here again. (Minus McCourt of course)

by Freddy V on Jul 20, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

What was Piazza’s rate? (not that it mattered.)

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Jul 20, 2011 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think it was too good…

by Freddy V on Jul 20, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

if all signs point to us sucking in 2012 what difference does it make if we have ely out there in the 5 spot? i mean tampa bay was shit for 8 years and then made the world series. id rather be full on awful if it meant good draft picks and great cheap talent.

by raj m on Jul 20, 2011 8:32 PM PDT reply actions  

watched the highlights

love how the crowd gasped after each strikeout…

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 20, 2011 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

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