Dodgers Week 17 In Review: An Extraordinary Ordinary Week
by Eric Stephen on Jul 24, 2011 6:30 PM PDT
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The Dodgers had a rather ordinary week, splitting their six games, but there was something about each of their three wins that made the week a memorable one. On Wednesday, Clayton Kershaw beat Tim Lincecum for the second time this season in a thriller, with the only run coming via a splash hit from the 1-0 King. On Saturday, the Dodgers trailed 6-2 in the third inning with Ted Lilly on the mound, yet managed to win 7-6, with the game winner coming from Rafael Furcal, after he shook off the cobwebs. Then, on Sunday, Chad Billingsley allowed the first four Nationals to reach base before dropping the hammer in a sort-of combined no-hitter.
Dodger Batter of the Week: In a week during which the Dodgers hit .207/.294/.277, there's only one clear candidate. It's the man who hit the team's only home run of the week, a shot into McCovey Cove on Wednesday to beat the Giants. Dioner Navarro also added a career-high three walks on Saturday, and in his three starts this week hit .286/.583/.714 in 12 plate appearances.
Dodger Pitcher of the Week: On Wednesday in San Francisco, Clayton Kershaw was outstanding, striking out a season high 12 hitters in eight scoreless innings, out-dueling Tim Lincecum for the 1-0 win. Kershaw had a game score of 87, which was the third highest this season by a Dodger. Kershaw has the top two, as well as six of the top eight. Kershaw and Justin Verlander are the only two pitchers in baseball this season with three starts with a game score of 87 or higher.
Week 17 Record: 3-3
16 runs scored (2.67 per game)
24 runs allowed (4.00 per game)
.323 pythagorean winning percentage
Season Record: 45-56
365 runs scored (3.61 per game)
408 runs allowed (4.04 per game)
.449 pythagorean winning percentage (45-56)
Remembering Big D: Before Saturday night's game, the Dodgers honored Hall of Famer Don Drysdale on what would have been his 75th birthday. The Dodgers played a nearly four-minute video tribute to Drysdale at the stadium, an absolute must see.
Sliding Head First To Avoid Aggravating The Splinters: Eugenio Velez was the man promoted from Albuquerque when Dee Gordon was optioned to Triple A, in part because the Dodgers didn't mind him sitting on the bench and hardly playing (the Juan Castro role). Velez entered Saturday's game as a pinch runner, his first game action in two weeks. Velez stole his first base as a Dodger, and also scored his first run, tying the game in the seventh inning on a wild pitch, a game the Dodgers would win in the ninth inning.
Transactions: None this week, but there figure to be at least a few moves before next Sunday's trade deadline.
Game Results:
- Monday: Giants 5, Dodgers 0
- Tuesday: Giants 5, Dodgers 3
- Wednesday: Dodgers 1, Giants 0
- Friday: Nationals 7, Dodgers 2
- Saturday: Dodgers 7, Nationals 6
- Sunday: Dodgers 3, Nationals 1
Upcoming Week: The Dodgers finish out their nine-game homestand with a week full of divisional foes, running the 2007 NLCS gauntlet as Colorado and Arizona come to Los Angeles.
| Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | Sun |
| 25 vs Col 7:10pm |
26 vs Col 7:10pm |
27 vs Col 7:10pm |
28 Off |
29 vs Ari 7:10pm |
30 vs Ari 7:10pm |
31 vs Ari 1:10pm |
| (R) Nicasio | (R) Chacin | (R) Cook | (R) Collmenter | (R) Owings | (L) Saunders |
Previous Weeks In Review: Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | Week 14 | Week 15 | Week 16
Week 17 Stats
| Player | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SB/CS | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS |
| Navarro | 12 | 7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 0/0 | .286/.583/.714 | 1.298 |
| Rivera | 21 | 19 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0/0 | .316/.381/.421 | .802 |
| Furcal | 26 | 21 | 2 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 1/0 | .238/.385/.286 | .670 |
| Kemp | 25 | 23 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0/0 | .261/.280/.304 | .584 |
| Ethier | 22 | 21 | 1 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0/0 | .238/.273/.286 | .558 |
| Gwynn | 18 | 16 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2/0 | .188/.278/.250 | .528 |
| Miles | 17 | 16 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0/0 | .188/.235/.250 | .485 |
| Loney | 17 | 14 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0/0 | .143/.188/.214 | .402 |
| Uribe | 17 | 17 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0/0 | .176/.176/.176 | .353 |
| Barajas | 12 | 10 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0/0 | .100/.250/.100 | .350 |
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| Carroll | 16 | 13 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1/0 | .154/.313/.231 | .543 |
| Oeltjen | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0/0 | .000/.000/.000 | .000 |
| Velez | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1/0 | -----/-----/----- | ---- |
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| Pitchers | 14 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0/0 | .100/.182/.200 | .382 |
| Totals | 219 | 188 | 16 | 39 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 14 | 22 | 5/0 | .207/.294/.277 | .571 |
| Pitcher | G | W-L | Sv | IP | H | R | ER | BB | K | ERA | WHIP | FIP* |
| Kershaw | 1 | 1-0 | -- | 8.0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 0.00 | 0.500 | 0.43 |
| De La Rosa | 1 | 0-0 | -- | 5.0 | 9 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 3.60 | 1.800 | 3.65 |
| Kuroda | 1 | 0-1 | -- | 6.1 | 7 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 7 | 4.26 | 1.579 | 4.31 |
| Billingsley | 2 | 1-1 | -- | 12.1 | 11 | 6 | 6 | 2 | 14 | 4.38 | 1.054 | 2.56 |
| Lilly | 1 | 0-0 | -- | 5.0 | 8 | 6 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 10.80 | 2.000 | 1.25 |
| Starters | 6 |
2-2 | -- | 36.2 | 38 |
18 | 17 | 8 | 44 | 4.17 | 1.255 | 2.37 |
| Jansen | 3 | 0-0 | -- | 3.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 0.00 | 0.300 | 0.35 |
| Guerra | 3 | 1-0 | 2 | 3.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0.00 | 0.000 | 0.38 |
| Hawksworth | 2 | 0-0 | -- | 3.0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0.00 | 0.333 | (0.28) |
| Elbert | 2 | 0-0 | -- | 1.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.00 | 0.000 | 1.55 |
| MacDougal | 3 | 0-0 | -- | 2.2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 6.75 | 1.125 | 3.05 |
| Guerrier | 2 | 0-0 | -- | 1.1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6.75 | 1.500 | 12.80 |
| Kuo | 2 | 0-1 | -- | 0.2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 40.50 | 9.000 | 9.05 |
| Relievers | 6 |
1-1 |
2 | 15.1 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 20 |
3.52 |
0.848 | 2.27 |
| Totals | 6 |
3-3 | 2 | 52.0 | 45 | 24 | 23 | 14 | 64 | 3.98 | 1.135 | 2.34 |
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Does that make anyone else sad, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Sad when a guy puts up a 1.300 OPS for a week?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
When I saw the team OPSed around .600 I didn’t expect a single hitter to have hit any better than .250/.300/.400
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
consider what it would have been if we didn’t have such a stud in Dioner Navarro!
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
lol, good point
I’m afraid to check back at what Kemp hit. Thankfully he ended the week with 4 hits in 2 games.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Just looking at the year to year top WARs for the year
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_leagues.shtml
It’s very awesome to see Kemp on the top of the list so far this year :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Fairly decent for a 20-year old.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 24, 2011 6:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cocaine’s a helluva drug
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
That video was absolutely great
With all the attention that Koufax has had by Dodger fans and baseball fans, Drysdale may not have had all those incredibly dominating seasons in a row, but if Koufax was 1 then it would make Drysdale 1B. If I never got to see him play I wish I could have been able to listen to him announce, it’s too bad I never got to experience either.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He was great at both
The night before he died he was announcing on a televised game, and after Vin announced he had died next day, I could still hear Drysdale’s great laugh at something in the game just a few hours before. It seemed very strange.
just watched it again
I don’t remember him as a broadcaster either (too young), but I also really wished I could have seen him and Sandy pitch. I love hearing stories about how intimidating he was on the mound.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite was when he was told to intentionally walk Henry Aaron: Four fastballs at his head!
You didn’t charge the mound when Big D was out there. Probably the meanest man on the field, but a true gentleman off it.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
yeah
i think there is a quote where he says he’d rather hit a guy then walk him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe not him
from wiki
"Don Drysdale would consider an intentional walk a waste of three pitches. If he wants to put you on base, he can hit you with one pitch." – Mike Shannon
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Keeps your pitch count down. (Although they didn’t worry about pitch counts back then.)
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
here's one, by Big D himself
“For every Dodger they [the Giants’ pitchers] knock down, I’ll knock down two of theirs—and they won’t be .220 hitters, either.” – Drysdale, still on the subject of brushback pitches; quoted from the Los Angeles Times
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
ABQ is wearing throwback yellow top Dukes uniforms tonight. @newmexicofan has a bunch of pics on his Twitter feed.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 24, 2011 6:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Hey, anyone heard of Aaron Northcraft?
He’s a class A pitcher for the Braves. Happens that my gf’s brother is his personal trainer.
Says that because of his methods his student has never been injured.
Your girlfriend is Dr. Mike Marshall’s sister? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 24, 2011 7:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry but this made me kind of laugh
JimBowdenESPNxm
Royals not motivated in trading Francouer or Melky Cabrera unless overwhelmed according to Dayton Moore Royals GM
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That certainly has me laughing. I’m sure Ned is holding out on Uribe as well.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Jul 24, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I just liked the idea of holding on to Francouer unless *overwhelmed*
Hah!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
ESPN says Eagles have interest in Favre as a backup
HE CANNOT BE DESTROYED!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 7:51 PM PDT reply actions
which means they really are going to trade Kolb
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
or espn is making shit up
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i guess
Vick tweeted something saying he’d be honored to have Favre as a backup, but he’s since deleted it
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
i figured they'd do that anyway
I figure he’s gonna be a Cardinal
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
my vocab goes down as my alcohol content goes up :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This comes from Bowden, so grain of salt. But:
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Kuroda fascinating situation because of number of teams that pursuing including: Tigers, Indians, Red Sox and front-runner D-Backs
D-backs are front runner now? First I’ve heard. Again, grain of salt.
He also opines:
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Top 5 Teams with the best prospects to deal at the trading deadline? 1. Rangers 2. Braves 3. Reds 4. Cardinals 5. Indians
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interesting
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Ned better get something good
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah especially if it's to rival AZ.
But overall I’m not getting my hopes up they’ll get a top prospect for him. Less disappointing that way! ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
since it would be a rental
i really wouldn’t mind the trade to ‘rival AZ’ since it means we are screwing the real enemy Giants.
Yeah even though geographically it's closer to LA and the Pacific
from what I know about Arizona it will also feel worlds away from LA or especially Japanese culture that he may want to be near. I could be wrong. But some of these other cities will have larger Japanese population…
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It’s only a month or two where he’ll be working (playing baseball) the entire time.
I assume the biggest appeal would be that they play at the Dodgers a few times so he would still get to come back to LA and his family during that time.
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
True that.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i considered
living in Phoenix for a short period of time, until i realized that their government is even more screwed up than CA’s….
I have in laws in Phoenix
place seriously sucks.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jul 24, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Goldschmidt or bust!
I’m cool with Allen too, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You will be disappointed my friend. :-)
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quiet you!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
"Cram a bastard in it, you crap!"
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by underdog on Jul 24, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the better shows in the 2000s :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Like others have said
Bowden is only assuming Arizona is the front runner b/c of location. I doubt he has actual inside stuff on this deal.
I doubt there is a frontrunner. What would that even mean? How can you be a frontrunner in this kind of deal? It doesn’t exist. There is no deal until there is a trading partner/winner.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
There can be a frontrunner is somebody is willing to offer more than others. But nobody knows what anybody is offering, so…
The Yankees were the frontrunner last year for Cliff Lee
twice and didn’t get him. Read: the media create the frontrunner.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Phillies have the best GM....true or false?
Thats a team thats been built on mainly signing the right free agents and prospect trades – stuff directly attributable to the major league GM.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the GM is the guy putting his name on the deals, but he’s hardly responsible for the trades. So many people have their hands in the trades (and the owners approve every trade that goes through) that Ned doesn’t deserve neither the credit or the hatred that’s thrown around re: trades. Amaro has been fortunate enough to have an owner willing to double their payroll in a matter of a few years instead of enjoying the revenue that comes with simply being comeptitive.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Drafted Utley, Howard, Hamels before Amaro was ever there
I believe Victorino came before him as well. The other ones such as Halladay, Lee, Blanton, Polanco, and a few other key players were him, but I wouldn’t say he’s top 5.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
and even with that, how much credit do you get for having an owner willing to fork over 20+ mil annual contracts to multiple players in the same calendar year?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I’m sure Ned would be getting some good praise here if the Dodgers had a 150 mill payroll right now. That is, unless he still went out and got Uribe ANYWAY.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Ned has proven that when he spends big
he makes his worst moves.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
by Pure Azure on Jul 24, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
drafting is a crap shoot
I dont think MLB GMs should get get that much credit for draft picks that happen to develop. They make their bones on trading and signing in known qualities…and the Phillies seem to know how to put together a team.
When they deal prospects…its for studs (halladay, Lee, Oswalt).
Stupid us for turning our best prospects into MLB players. If we had any top top prospects who were also unneeded or blocked like the Phillies had, I’m sure we’d part with them too.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
difference is
Ned turns his into Casey Blake (and Manny – which was good).
Halladay, Lee, Oswalt…on another level.
I don’t give Amaro any credit for Ed Wade taking JA Happ in return for Oswalt.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
And Halladay basically picked his destination too
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, and Lee was a free agent who took less money.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
The trade for Lee was good
But the trade that sent him out was puzzling.
Anyway, PHI is an awesome baseball team so that club is doing a lot right.
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So hard to believe. “Hey, you know where I want to go? Philadelphia.”
For Chrissakes, Philadelphia is a place famous for being a shitty place that nobody wanted to go, a place preferable only to the grave.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember him being all whiny about needing to be in Florida for spring training, basically shutting the Dodgers out.
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
We definitely have got to give credit where credit is due in regards to Manny
Yes he fell into our lap, but he could have fallen into Florida’s lap as well (and I would cry seeing Stanton on the Red Sox), or another 5-10 teams. As far as Ned’s trades, the only ones I wish we could have back are trading away Edwin Jackson (seriously, 21 years old, why did we trade him for 2 relievers, or was that for Hendrickson, I can’t even remember all those deals details anymore) and Santana. I guess a 3rd would be Mcdonald, but there wouldn’t be a ton of room for him now anyway (though we may not have Lilly, but who’s to say we wouldn’t have had Garland?).
The point is, every gm as made a bad deal or trade, and signing Ibanez to a 3 year deal with as much money as he got was worse than us signing Uribe and Guerrier combined.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
That wasn't my point in any way
My point was half the stars on their team were drafted and added to the franchise before the current GM ever got there.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I think amaro was the asst GM when some of those things happened
I seem to recall he’s been with the organization a long time.
he played with them until 98 and was hired by Ed Wade right after he finished playing. Was Wade’s assistant GM for 10 years before being promoted.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
so we can look forward
to Juan Castro trading for Strasburg and Teheran in 2022?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I always find former players to be the best executives. I’m convinced Epstein and Cashman would suck without their payrolls, and that outside of Moneyball, Billy Beane as a former player also knew what a team had to look and feel like.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
when Pat Gillick came aboard
is when they started being elite. Coincidence? Guess who was inducted into the HoF today?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
We shouldn't have to give up prospects with Kuroda
I know Kuroda isn’t an elite pitcher but he’s good. We are not going to the postseason and if contenders want a better shot they should give us something good. Sure u can package so of the players we got withkuroda but I hope are prospects arent included because hey that’s our future and your going for a championship.
"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys
by funkyjam on Jul 24, 2011 10:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pads should get a haul
for Bell and Ludwick. Ludwick will be the cheap alternative to Beltran, maybe he goes to the Braves?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Vin is the highlight of that, hilarious.
But many highlights. And was that Cary Grant briefly glimpsed in a suite?
Nice moves behind Sax at the end, too. Was that Bobby Castillo (with the awesome mustache) on the left?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Was Cary Grant, yes..
and Candy Maldonado (?) just before the Hershiser dance step with Mariano Duncan(?)
What a find!
that vid is Amazing. I had to double take when Vin was dancing.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jul 24, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Mattingly on Trayvon
Mattingly said outfielder Trayvon Robinson, who was batting .303 entering Sunday and has hit 26 home runs in 95 games for triple-A Albuquerque, will join the Dodgers this season.
“Trayvon’s got good numbers,” Mattingly said.
“We’re obviously going to see him at some point this year.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0725-dodgers-fyi-20110725,0,7891761.story?track=rss&dlvrit=53290
Cool
Though of course we knew we’d see him at least in September. But will be curious to see if we see him sooner than that, and how much sooner.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I think if we do or did see Gwynn falter we may have seen him sooner
But since Gwynn has been pretty good the last 2 months that was pushed back.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
that 380+ babip won't last
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
sweet
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 24, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If I show up and that’s the lineup, I’m asking for my money back.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Other than Mitchell, I think that’s a fun lineup which makes sense to look at before next year.
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I follow the Dodgers because I care and I want them to win. I go to games because I want to be entertained. I most enjoy watching major league baseball players play major league baseball games. It’s why I never buy season tickets for September and will wait to see if the team is competitive before purchasing tickets for that month.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
but those guys arent major league quality anymore
Maybe Carroll still is…but the other 3 are bad players.
You’d rather watch bad MLB players than young kids that havent proven they are bad yet?
To each their own, but this is a bad team with those vets on it.
Taking them off isnt going to be detrimental.
Not arguing, you’re entitled to your opinion. I don’t think Trayvon, DeJesus, Mitchell, or Ellis will ever be competent major leaguers, and I think Sands has a long way to go still as well.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Do you think Navarro, Loney, Gwynn, Furcal are competant major leaguers at this point in their careers?
Boys! Boys! Boys! I can settle this!
BOTH of those lineups are shitty!
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Basically.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I think each of them is better than the guys mentioned to replace them.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
But how would you know..until you play the replacements to know for sure?
I just think the bar is really low.
Loney is a terrible baseball player. Can Sands be worse?
Gwynn has a 620 OPS in a corner…Can Tray be worse?
Furcal’s has a 500 OPS…Can Dee be worse?
Navarro has a 600 OPS…Can Ellis be worse?
These are very very low bars to jump over.
The answer to three of those questions is “yes.” The Furcal question relies on small sample sizes, cheap shots, and kicking a great player when he is down.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
furcal is done
whether its age or what, he’s done.
He’s no longer great…and I dont think he ever was. He was a good player, but a great player no. A “great” ss is Tulo, or someone along those lines.
Its not a small sample size issue anymore.
180/248/221 in122 Abs.
Those are Garrett Anderson numbers
Furcal may still be able to play defense at SS, so he’s got that. But his bat is gone and its not coming back, not at his age and his prior injury history
Tulo is an elite player, he is more than great
Furcal definitely had a few great years in him.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
elite or great
same definition for me maybe its semantics.
Hanley is/was great.
Tulo is great.
A-Rod was great (when he was a SS).
Tejada was great (when he was a SS).
Reyes is great.
Furcal’s in that next tier of good SS..
Jimmy Rollins
Stephen Drew
JJ Hardy
I honestly have a hard time not responding about this for some reason
Tulo, Hanley (despite this year), Pujols, Longoria, Zimmerman, Utley, Bautista, and a few others are elite. Above all other players in baseball. I just feel like they deserve more respect than just great.
For the nothing that is worth, anyway.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Even last year in 97 games he had a 4.2 WAR
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=88&position=SS
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I don’t think anybody is suggesting that we pick up Furcal’s option for next year.
What we are suggesting is that Dee Gordon might not, right now, be better than Furcal is, right now.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Wont know until he’s given that chance.
I just see no downside to playing Gordon for organizational purposes.
Need to find out if he has what it takes before handing him a job…and there’s no better place to do it than when the team is out of it and the guy he’d be replacing is struggling terribly.
It’d be a much tougher decision if Furcal was playing great…its alot harder to sit a veteran thats performing for a kid when you are out of it…but this decision should be easy.
by Joey Joe on Jul 24, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gwynn because of his defense is
Loney can be again some day (His counterpart of Casey Kotchman has done so), Furcal might still be worth something, only time will tell, and Navarro is not, but there arent really any good catchers out there now minus a hand full
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
All those guys have just happened on a slump at the same time, so the effect is magnified. In the recent past, they have all been valuable parts of the team. You can’t just lump them all together and say they’re crappy.
I was just complaining the other day about how nobody on the team can hit a fly ball. Do you think it’s always been like that? No. They all can hit, just not at this particular time.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
i can lump them all together and say they are crappy
Thats the reason the Dodgers are bad.
These are bad players, that have played a lot…and have made the Dodgers bad. Them and Ted Lilly.
Kemp, Kershaw have done their best to prop up the rest of the crap, but even with them having great seasons it hasnt worked.
a 3yr process
Cant happen in 1 offseason I doubt.
The first step though is cutting the guys that wont be here next year loose and playing the youngsters to see if they show signs they are good enough to be competant big leaguers. And we wont find that out until they play and gather about 200 ABs straight.
That will at least give the team some evidence as to know if they can fill some of their holes internally for next season.
So, you’re going to alienate your fans by having another losing year and use the regular season to ‘test’ prospects? And this will take 3 years?
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Prospect testing would just be from now till the end of this season. I dont think thats alienating the fans. The team is horrible now with vets. Whats the difference?
I’m just saying that the Dodgers have a bunch of holes, so filling all of them in one off-season probably isnt happening so I dont think the team will be good until at least 2014.
are you an engineer?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I hope not.
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by David Young on Jul 25, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If we listened to your rantings no one on this team besides Kemp would ever have gotten a useful hit :P
But if we listened to mine any time I ever watch the Dodgers they fall apart, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I see no reason to trade Miles, he’s been a good bat (some how) for this lineup and we won’t get much at all for him.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He’s still pretty bad in general and he’s got no future with the club
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Gywnn still has another 3 years of service time to go after this year. You probably want to non tender him because he’s not that good and paying him arbitration is not something you want to do.
But he has some future with the club.
i doubt he's back next year
You can find a 4th/5th OF’er at the major league minimum rather than pay something above it.
I actually think there's a non-zero chance that Navarro is back next year
Since he’ll actually sign for pretty cheap
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point i'm happier with him than what we've seen out of De Jesus thus far
And as I said, I doubt we get anything rather than AAA fodder for him. If he’s a key piece in a good trade, then let’s send him out!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
they should be playing that lineup now
Trade Furcal – he wont be here next year
Trade Carroll/Miles – they wont be here next year
Bench Navarro/Loney – they wont be here next year
Just do it now.
Furcal has 10/5 rights. They’ll trade him if/when he’s good and ready and if there is a taker for him.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
if he's on the team post july 31st
he better be on the bench and Dee better be playing everyday.
I have no sentimental attachement in watching a worn down Furcal play out the string on a 68 win team
I’m not sure it really matters. I like Rafael Furcal. I like Dee Gordon too. I’ll see plenty of Dee Gordon for the next few years but I’ll never see Rafael Furcal in a Dodgers uniform again, and until proven otherwise I’m going to tell anyone who asks that the best Dodgers SS I ever saw was Rafael Furcal.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Best LA Dodger SS ever. Not sure Furcal has overtaken Reese.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he ever saw Pee Wee Reese
by Michael White on Jul 24, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you implying G.Scott isn’t a vampire? It sounds to me like that’s what you’re implying.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
point is, who the hell is Dee Gordon? Would we be all that thrilled if Joey Gathright was on our team?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
In a way, I’m glad I missed the Dee Gordon Show during my absence. The dude’s OBP was .250 during his MLB stretch. I think he would have driven me absolutely crazy — wanting him to be better for the things that he can do, but frustrated with a performance that, frankly, does not cut it.
I do not expect prospects to come up and immediately hit MLB pitching, but I also do not annoint them as the players of the future until they show me they can hit MLB pitching.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, while he did regress back to expectation (for first MLB taste)
he got off to good start and showed flashes that at least showed me why some scouts are excited about him, that bad OBP notwithstanding. he made some spectacular plays in the field, demonstrating rare range (and I only recall one goof on an easy play, may have been more, but that was something we were warned about). And is speed is amazing. And he did move around the bases. In short, he’s a major work in progress who will be frustrating when he comes back, too but he sure did also light a fire under the butts of what seemed, and has seemed too often this season, a moribund team. Just mho.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Dee made more than a handful of awesome plays on the field that made me sad when he was sent down for his offensive woes. That dude was more than exciting to watch.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 24, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I can not imagine a scenario
Where Dee is not the starting SS next season. With an Izturis type brought in to back him up.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jul 24, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Juan Castro available?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Gordon would have to find a way to actively hurt other batters for him not to be the starting SS next season.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 24, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It won’t, but even the most negative person does not envision a full season OBP of .250. He might struggle like Alcides Escobar did for a few months.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 24, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If I show up and that’s the lineup, I’ll for sure be buying more tickets.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 24, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Watched two Dodger
Games today, the Bills strikeout game at the Stadium and earlier, HJ’s baseball league game in Commerce. They plait in a very nice facility right near the 5 freeway.
Joe did not get a hit while I was there, 0-3 with a walk. But he later texted me and told me he stole home right after I left. All the players wear Dodger uniforms and use wood bats. Joe showed off a nice arm from CF when he held the batter to a long single on a ball hit into the gap.
You could tell by the banter that it is good natured competition but you could also see that these guys take their baseball seriously.
It was a pleasant way to spend Sunday morning and I will go back again.
Tell Joe I said he should have batted lefty.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
4-5
Wives show up to watch, which I think is abnormal. A couple of them keep score. A sherff’s car showed up a couple of times and watched a few innings.
usually we have a two wives max, we hate it when they run into the annies
by Hollywood Joe on Jul 25, 2011 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Isotopes update
Isotopes go down 17-9. In a game with 32 total hits. In a game that was shortened because of lightning to just 6.5 innings. Yeah, ABQ is a launching pad.
More importantly, Sands hit a HR as did Russ Mitchell.
Dee went 3-4 and had an error. And, somehow, grounded into a double play.
Trayvon had the day off.
Oh, and check out Tim Sexton’s line: 5 IP, 11 H, 7 ER, 4 BB, 3 SO and gave up 2 home runs. His ERA is now 6.98.
Every starter on both teams, including both pitchers, had at least one hit. In fact, Sexton was the only Isotope not to get on base twice.
Goodnight all, enjoy the win. Hope it was a good game.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I arrived in the bottom of the second, so, for me, it was a GREAT game.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 24, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nolander – BJ Upton has a .319 wOBA, Beltran .396 – Since the Giants need offense more then defense I stand by my point. One is good, one is not, even in the world of CF, a .318 wOBA blows chunks. If you going to get a guy for his defense you might as well target Carlos Gomez.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Whats Uptons OPS+, everyone loves that stat
by NotJoeTorre on Jul 24, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It is 103 is has not been over 108 since 2007. He’s been consistently meh from the offensive side for four years with one terrible year thrown in. I like BJ, still think he can be more then what he has been, but he’s not someone I’m going to target to give me offense if I’m the Giants. Nate the Skate is just as good with the bat, and he’s also a plus defensive right fielder. Beltran would be an improvement, Upton, not so much. I guess they could bench Torres but still don’t see much of a bump from that. JMO
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 24, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
103
Andres Torres is 97 and Aaron Rowand’s is 82
by bhsportsguy on Jul 24, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw, Billingsley, Jansen, Guerra – all could have won pitcher of the week for other teams
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Playpen Dealing
If I’m reading this right the playpen (Jansen, Guerra, Elbert) went 7 1/3 giving up one hit, one walk and 11 K’s. No runs.
Add in Hawksworth and we have 10 2/3, one hit, one walk, 16 K’s, NO RUNS
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 24, 2011 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Hawk is only like 27 or so isnt he?
I’d say he’s just the oldest of the playpen, you know the one who’s been held back a couple times ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
We have a good young pen
and bullpen depth in AA. If Guerra can pick up a couple more scoreless saves in the next week, we could combine him with Raffy or Hiroki (preferably Hiroki) to get a better hitting 1B, 2B, or 3B prospect than one we would get if we just traded the veteran by himself.
by The Dude Abides on Jul 24, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions
Guerra’s trade value will be exactly the same no matter how many saves he gets in the next week.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 24, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
There's got to be one contending GM who loves the Saves stat
by The Dude Abides on Jul 24, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe there’s some that want “proven closers” but jumping from six saves to eight ain’t gonna change anyones mind.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 24, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
how about 7 to 12 in one week:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 24, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Santana is wilting faster then Franks’ prick when he see’s Jamie swimming in his pool
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 24, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That's sad (and disturbing) to hear
I was hoping Santana might actually be pretty good.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Oh for sure
But I want results now! haha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Good
Bet that HJ and will be in my seats on Tuesday
by bhsportsguy on Jul 24, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
We have three of the top six double leaders in the Southern League.
Van Slyke – 35
Silverio – 29
Russell – 26
Silverio leads the league in triples with 14
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I love that
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Good idea for Ned to get experience selling
so he can put it on his resume to get the Cubs’ gig.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
he's a Cub soon for sure.
Either in the front office, the PR department or as an analyst.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jul 24, 2011 11:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's sad that there aren't more people on this list
http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/lifers
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
To
Be fair, even with the Reserve Clause, from 1950-1975, those numbers tended to decline. It is more a myth then reality that teams were filled with the same players year after year. Was it more in the past then now, sure, but it wasn’t like all teams were filled with 10+ year players.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 24, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I know that
It would just be really cool to see more players sticking with the team that brought them up and drafted them and all that. I want nothing more than to see Kemp and Kershaw on the Dodgers for at least 10 years.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
It
Is often the team doesn’t want them as much as the other way around.
But isn’t that hypocritical of you also want the team to sign free agents, surely there are fans of those players original teams who would like nothing more than to have their teams keep them.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 24, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely it is
But as fans aren’t we all selfish and want what’s best for our team and our interests? I think it would be boring to be a fan and not be able to want your favorite players for a long time or not think you could get another team’s best player for players you don’t want anymore :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
According to this batting game score, which seems like it works best in a fantasy baseball sense
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/topperformers/_/year/2002/type/batting
Shawn Green has had the best game score by 7 full points with his 4 home run game in 2002 over the last 10 seasons. Unless I just forgot one when I was browsing old “friend” Shea Hillendbrand was the only other 90 I saw from 2002-2011.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Wow
Eovaldi’s line:
5 IP, 2 ER, 3 H, 1 K, 3 BB
Conversely, Martin threw a scoreless inning [/gasp]
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 25, 2011 12:59 AM PDT reply actions
anyone else still awake here?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
why?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
Summer vacation
Stay up to 3am once, never go to sleep in the same day you woke up in again.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 25, 2011 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Aka
My last 5 years of my life, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
College orientation is in a couple of weeks for me
I don’t want to be that one guy still up at 4am waking people up making noise:/
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 25, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
But also, I don't feel like waking up early and being tired for a day to get myself back on schedule.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 25, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
you should take a trip instead
to where there’s a 7 or 8 hr difference.
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
Nice line from Rivera
Meanwhile Juan Uribe… I have no words…
The more you drink, the less gruesome I look.
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