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Dodgers 7/25/11 Minor League Report - Slow Day for the Dodger Minor League Clubs

The Arizona Dodgers collected the only minor league win of the day in 6 attempts in what was an overall pretty boring day.  There were almost no big performances to speak of, which made it very difficult to select a player of the day.

Minor League Player of the DayArce Rodriguez - 3 for 3, 1 BB, 1 2B, 1 Run.  As mentioned above there wasn't much to choose from on this night, and after looking at each box score about 8 times I decided that A Rod probably had the best overall day.  This is the second time Rodriguez has won this award in the past couple of weeks, and hopefully this 18 year old can win it a few more times before the year is done to really solidify himself as a potential breakout prospect for 2012.

AAA – Not much to write about for this game as the Isotopes lost in a day game to the Zephyrs (Marlins) 9 to 5Joey Newby was the starter and got run out of the game after just 4 innings as he allowed 7 runs on 8 hits.  Three relievers combined to give up the final 2 runs, including Jon Link who allowed a homer.  The offense was led by AJ Ellis' 2nd homer of the week, a 3-run shot in the 5th.  Justin Sellers also contributed with a two run double, but that was pretty much it for Albuquerque.  Even Dee Gordon was held hitless and his 0 for 5 day stopped his multi-hit game streak at 4.

AA – Off day

HiA – The Quakes lost the game and the series on Wednesday with a 5 to 3 defeat to the 66ers (Angels)Andres Santiago started the game and took the loss by allowed 9 hits and 4 runs over 6 innings while striking out just 2.  Jordan Roberts allowed the other run for Rancho in relief, while Josh Walter returned to HiA (from AA) and tossed a perfect 9th.  At the dish Angelo Songco socked his 20th homer of the season, while Rafael Ynoa's triple was the team's only other extra base hit of the game.

LoA – The Loons outhit their competition with 12 base knocks, but the team went just 2 for 9 with RISP and ended up losing to the Timber Rattlers (Brewers) 6 to 3Nick Akins had a perfect day at the plate by going 2 for 2 with 3 walks, but failed to drive in or score any runs.  Chris Jacobs went 2 for 4 and had a couple of RBI's, while Jessie Bosnik hit a pinch-homer to bring home the other run in the game.  Starter Greg Wilborn took the tough luck loss as he allowed just 5 hits and 2 earned runs over 5 innings while striking out 9.  2011 5th round pick Scott McGough threw another shutout inning to give him 4 scoreless frames for the Loons.

Rookie Ogden – The Raptors got trampled by the Mustangs (Reds) on Monday 14 to 2 Jose Dominguez made his first Pioneer League start after getting promoted from the Arizona Rookie League and got rocked for 10 hits and 10 runs in just 3.1 innings.  Chris Handke gave up 3 more runs in relief, and every Ogden pitcher who threw in this game finished with an ERA for at least 6.00.  At the plate the Raptors only had 4 hits, but the good news is that 2 of them came from James Baldwin who singled, doubled, and stole his 10th base of the season.  Scott Schebler also doubled and drove in a run.

Rookie Arizona – The Arizona Dodger pitching staff put together an excellent game as the Dodgers defeated the A's 3 to 1.  2011 35th round pick Michael Thomas started his 2nd game of the season and allowed just 3 hits over 3.1 shutout innings while striking out 4.  A trio of recent non-drafted free agents and former DSL veteran Daniel Tamares finished off the game by giving up just 2 hits over the final 5.2 frames.  The Dodgers didn't have an extra base hit in this game, but Justin Boudreaux went 3 for 4 and Alex Santana had an RBI single.

DSL – The Dominican Dodgers made 5 errors in the field on Monday and lost to the Red Sox 5 to 1.  17 year old Jonathan Martinez continued his strong season by making his first start a good one, allowing just 1 earned run on 2 hits over 4 innings.  Fellow 17 year old Miguel Sulbaran tossed 2 frames of hitless relief, while Moises Tamarez lowered his ERA to 0.96 by not allowing an earned run in his inning of work.  One day after getting a brief mention in my left field rankings, Arce Rodriguez went 3 for 3 with a double to raise his average to .290.  Catcher Jose Moreno also had 3 hits and drove in a run.

Albuquerque Isotopes Box Score (AAA)

Rancho Cucamonga Quakes Box Score (HiA)

Great Lakes Loons Box Score (LoA)

Ogden Raptors Box Score (Rookie)

Arizona Dodgers Box Score (Rookie)

Dominican Dodgers Box Score (DSL)

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"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 6:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Plus, the Dodgers have benefited from having Kershaw for the 3 years (age wise) before Lincecum made his MLB debut. Callis didn’t do his homework, obviously!

by latenite on Jul 26, 2011 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

His homework probably included: 2 Cy Youngs + 1 World Championship.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although

Contract wise, Kershaw only has one additional year of control than Lincecum, albeit at much less money.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 26, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

frankly, if we had Lincecum in 2008 and 2009, we might have two World Series rings.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

In reality, this is a question that can’t be answered for years. What if Lincecum has peaked, and begins a decline? And Kershaw is consistently great for 10 more years?

by latenite on Jul 26, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since Callis Said "Today" That Is The Vantage Point From Which We Compare the Two Pitchers At the Same Age

As far as who will have had the better career looking back on it all 20 years in the future, that will probably come down to who stayed healthier longer. Luck will come into play, but scouts, right now, will bet on the guy who looks like Kershaw over the one who looks like Lincecum when it comes to sheer durability.

by CanuckDodger on Jul 26, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Either:

It was a comment that wasn’t meant to be over analyzed

Lincecum has been 13 wins better than Kershaw so far and we would have looked a lot better when this was actually a good team with Lincecum instead of Kershaw.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

While the Giants are now paying a lot for Lincecum’s arbitration years, they did get his big years at a great price, the Dodgers, while not complaining will not do so well since they will pay more for Kershaw’s arb years and only hope to come close to what Tim did at 24 and 25.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 26, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of pedantry, but Lincecum’s initial arbitration payout is gonna be way higher than Kershaw’s, so it’ll be close to even.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m with G. Scott on this one. As I said before, I certainly don’t regret the Dodgers selecting Kershaw and from this moment forward I firmly beleive Kershaw will be the better pitcher. That being said, Lincecum’s early prime matched up perfectly with the Dodgers run and I’ve maintained for a while that the Dodgers win a World Series in 08 (assuming Manny is still acquired) if they had Lincecum instead of Kershaw.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

course that’s also assuming he would have been promoted at the same schedule. Who knows.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Considering Kershaw was promoted at age 20, that might not be hard to believe. Lincecum had only 63 innings pitched in his minor league career, had an ERA of 1, WHIP of .78, and struck out over 14 batters per 9 innings.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 26, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope they both sign 15 year deals with their current teams and I get to watch my generation’s Koufax/Marichal.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Koufax

Only pitched 3 times against Marichal in their careers.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 26, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a shame. Did he face Drysdale a lot? I more just meant their ace and our ace battling for the season awards.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Drysdale

Had 16 games against Marichal, Marichal went 10-3 in those games from 1961-1968

by bhsportsguy on Jul 26, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are assuming lincecum would have no bad playoff starts?

by delias man on Jul 26, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum’s two starts against Philly in 2008:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=linceti01&t=p&year=2008&share=1.27#31-32-sum:pitching_gamelogs

14IP, 13K, 10H, 2ER.

I think he would have done better than having to use Lowe in Games 1 and 4.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t believe in fantasy world where x player would have made such a guaranteed difference in one or two specific games. too many variables.

by delias man on Jul 26, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying, and in fact agree with you that this whole exercise is moot, but with the offense we had in 2008 and 2009, even if he pitches out of the bullpen, or starts and moves Kuroda to the bullpen, we’d have been tough to beat.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this but you still have Billingsley’s two losses to think about.

Maybe we could’ve made it a 7 game series, I don’t know. Too many what if’s to guarantee a league title much less a world title.

by silverwidow on Jul 26, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Billingsley wouldn't have pitched twice

Game 1: Lincecum
Game 2: Lowe
Game 3: Billingsley
Game 4: Kuroda
Game 5: Lincecum
Game 6: Lowe
Game 7: Lincecum?

And that assumes Torre didn’t move Billingsley to the bullpen and have Kuroda start. Probably reasonable since Billingsley was lights out the second half of 08, but Kuroda was the veteran. But Billingsley probably pitched game 2 because Kuroda was considered better at home. With Lincecum and Lowe going in Chicago, perhaps Billingsley is moved to the bullpen for Kuroda in the first series or held out until there’s a 4th game (which never came.)

And I’m not guaranteeing a title certainly, just taking a position. That Dodgers team would have been the best team in the playoffs that year.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

nothing would make me think that that dinosaur would not go with lowe 1-4-7 with his veteran experience and blah blah blah.

by delias man on Jul 26, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

But if the question was, “who would you pick today?”, shouldn’t that reflect current performance and projected future performance, and not everything accomplished since 2006?

In that case, I would go with Kershaw.

by latenite on Jul 26, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that was the question it's a no-brainer (to me) for Kershaw

I read it as, “who should you have taken, then” which makes Lincecum look very attractive.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the the crux of this whole disagreement : is it “who would you have taken then”, or “who would you pick today”. In that sense, both arguments are probably correct.

by latenite on Jul 26, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it better to win a World Series

with Frank as owner in 2008, because then we could never get rid of him. I’ll actually pass on a magic carpet ride championship if it means the long-term viability of the franchise is ensured and we don’t have an owner who can get away with milking the franchise for millions for years after delivering a title. I’d rather not be the Marlins.

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jul 26, 2011 10:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d love to be the Marlins.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Missed Callis column

But it would have made me irate. If they both last till 35, Kershaw will probably have accomplished more.

by Gen3blue on Jul 26, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hard

To two top 2 Cy Young awards and a World Series.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 26, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, Lincecum’s first three seasons are so much better than Kershaw’s that it’s gonna take ages for Kershaw to catch up.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum’s similar pitchers through age 26
Josh Johnson (958)
Roy Oswalt (956)
Johan Santana (954)
Don Newcombe (952)
Bernie Boland (949)
Ron Darling (949)
Tim Hudson (947)
Rich Harden (946)
Bruce Kison (941)
Bill Lee (941)

He good.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, in no way is it a knock on Kershaw to say we would have been better off with a guy with two Cy Youngs.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum has been far and away the best pitcher in the NL since he debuted with 27 WAR. The second best pitcher in the NL since 2007 has 20. Who is it? The answer surprised me at least.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Derek Lowe.

Not sure though since he sucked for a solid year in Atlanta

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

8th, 15.6

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you using Fangraphs or B-Ref?

My next guess is Cain, but from memory I didn’t think his FIP was that good but his ERA (if you’re using B-Ref) might be.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs. Cain his 4th with 18.7.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ubaldo Jimenez

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really close, 3rd with 19.9.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he pitched this year he’d be the answer, but with a 0 in 2011 he’s 5th with 17.5.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve always thought of him as a pretty good pitcher but best outside of Lincecum never really registered.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like it’s what he’s doing this year that has pushed him into that level.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That and all the other good stuff he’s done before.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like Baldwin is back.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 7:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'd give him player of the day just because he's back, and picking up where he left off.

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by underdog on Jul 26, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

i probably would have if it was his first day back and went 2 for 4

but this was actually his 3rd game back and had went hitless in the first two games

by Brandon Lennox on Jul 26, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, thought it was his 2nd game back. Yeah it was his first game where he did something. :)

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by underdog on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice
BenBadler
After getting smoked early, James McDonald has a 2.62 ERA in his last 12 starts. Since mid-May, only five NL pitchers have a better ERA

by silverwidow on Jul 26, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

The Ancient Historian Seutonius...

…says that after three Roman legions commanded by Quintilius Varus were wiped out at the Battle of Teutoberg Forest (in 9 A.D.), the Emperor Augustus banged his head repeatedly on a wall, crying out, “Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!” Since I periodically bang my head on a wall and cry out, “Ned Colletti, give me back Edwin Jackson, Carlos Santana, and James McDonald!” I think I know how Augustus felt. At least we got a lot for them. Oh, crap…

by CanuckDodger on Jul 26, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't Ask, Dotel. :-/

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by underdog on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

In a more meaningful sample size James McDonald still has one of the worst FIPs in the NL.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you talking about this season?

A 4.35 FIP is one of the worst in the NL?

"Fast just got Faster"

by BFDC on Jul 26, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, bottom 10 amongst qualifiers.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

13th worst, sorry.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

7th worst xFIP.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where does Ted Lilly rank then?

"Fast just got Faster"

by BFDC on Jul 26, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

7th worst FIP, 20-25th worst in xFIP.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s remarkable how down hitting is this year. His FIP and xFIP aren’t even that bad in gross terms.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is what I was thinking.

"Fast just got Faster"

by BFDC on Jul 26, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Akins

Last 10 games:
44 PA, .333/.522/.697, 11 BB / 3 K

by Sean P. on Jul 26, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

“I’d never sleep with a guy hitting less than .250. Not unless he had a bunch of rbi’s or was a great glove man up the middle”

Subtle, Bull Durham. Subtle.

by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

He wants to nail David Eckstein?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who doesn’t?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s over rated. Now Mark Bellhorn….

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

she, and she only sleeps with prospects : )

by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

She’s disappointed 80% of the time?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

WANT
DKnobler
Cards now appear to be shopping Rasmus widely. Nationals, who need CF and have pitching, had scout in STL last night. #tradedeadline

by silverwidow on Jul 26, 2011 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I didn’t know you were a Nationals fan

by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Must really fucking hate him.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

right?

clearly a case of olive oil and water

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trayvon, Eo, Webster, two others for him.

DO IT

by Julio Nievas on Jul 26, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

being a cards fan must suck

aside from being, you know, the greatest fan in all of the world

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 26, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

and that whole consistently winning thing they do

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Winning 86 games 3 of the last four years is very consistent.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is he Mark Teixeira?

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s Rasmus with 3 years under team control

by Julio Nievas on Jul 26, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a damn good player that we could keep for 3.5 years.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trading for him and keeping Ethier would be nice.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would be nice but we would almost certainly need the prospect Ethier would bring to get Rasmus.

I mean, Kuroda, Trayvon and Webster would be a start, but more would be required.

by OB12 on Jul 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

They literally don’t play the guy and he’s having a down year.

by Michael White on Jul 26, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, but everyone else seems to think we would have to empty the farm for Rasmus. Personally, I think Kuroda, Trayvon, and Webster is a fairly strong package.

by OB12 on Jul 26, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but that’s an incredibly small package for a guy with three years of service time that was the best hitting centerfielder in baseball last year.

Then again, Mozileak isn’t personally kicking LaRussa’s ass so who knows he might be a dumbo.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of package, whatever happened to that guy?

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 26, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

As we spend time talking about trading away prospects we shouldn’t for players other teams don’t want, let us take a moment to remember July 26, 2008. Three years ago today, Carlos Santana became an Indians prospect.

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by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I notice you are not reminding us of the day Andy LaRoche ceased to be a Dodger

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 26, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are too many July 31 transactions for that to be a meaningful one.

July 26, 1933 Standings
The St. Louis Cardinals released Rogers Hornsby.

The St. Louis Browns signed Rogers Hornsby as a free agent.

That confounds me though.

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by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hornsby was done by then

He only played about 60 games the next 4 years

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jul 26, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Course, 16 years ago today, we signed Eric Gagne as an amateur free agent, so there’s that.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Colby Rasmus isn’t Casey Blake.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda miss when Casey Blake was Casey Blake

by Hollywood Joe on Jul 26, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry man, I’m not as big of a fan as a lot of people are.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jansen still beasting. Now with 100 K’s ranks second in baseball history with best K/9 rate with at least 100 K’s.

                                                                                     
Rk Player SO/9 SO From To Age BB ERA ERA+ HR Tm
1 Craig Kimbrel 15.16 119 2010 2011 22-23 37 1.66 234 1 ATL
2 Kenley Jansen 14.29 100 2010 2011 22-23 36 2.43 154 3 LAD
3 Rob Dibble 12.17 645 1988 1995 24-31 238 2.98 129 27 CIN-TOT
4 Brad Lidge 11.99 767 2002 2011 25-34 263 3.50 124 56 HOU-PHI
5 David Robertson 11.96 233 2008 2011 23-26 97 3.44 127 12 NYY
6 Billy Wagner 11.92 1196 1995 2010 23-38 300 2.31 187 82 HOU-PHI-NYM-TOT-ATL
7 John Rocker 11.70 332 1998 2003 23-28 164 3.42 132 23 ATL-TOT-TEX-TBD
8 Carlos Marmol 11.63 558 2006 2011 23-28 282 3.27 137 32 CHC
9 Jonathan Broxton 11.55 503 2005 2011 21-27 163 3.19 132 25 LAD
10 John Axford 11.49 143 2009 2011 26-28 52 2.65 151 3 MIL

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 7/26/2011.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Bit interesting that Kimbrel and Jansen are both 2011 Rookies.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I did not know John Axford had such a high K rate.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m impressed Billy wagner maintained that K rate over 16 years. Any way to sort out players by K/9 over their first 100Ks?

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by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

As in K/9 after their first 100?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good question, would love to see that list.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

would need to find someone who came in and struck out double digits for their first several starts.

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by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see that list broken down between starters and relievers.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

ditto. Otherwise I’m sure someone like KRod would be #1

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by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually, KRod’s rookie year he had 95Ks and only a 9.9 K/9, so not him.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Am I just asking who got to 100Ks in the fewest IP? I think so, but I’m not sure.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, gotcha. I don’t think Play Index can do that.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 26, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

They can only go down from here, after another season anyway. 100 innings is still fairly small sample, compared to the mostly or near whole career rankings in that list, that include pitchers tailing off. What does the list of top Ks for 100 or 150 consecutive innings look like?

by berkowit28 on Jul 26, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whole lot of guys from 2011 on that list.

"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Jul 26, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

appears we are in the K era so Kyle Russell will fit right in.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

bring'em up! :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 26, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

every time i watch the dodgers play

i look at the opponents lineup and say to myself that the dodgers lineup is really no worse than this lineup… and the dodgers lineup sucks. It is a bad year to be a hitter.

by delias man on Jul 26, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is now, I republished it and it showed up.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

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