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Rubby & Dee, Back Together Again

Dee Gordon, back by popular demand.

In Philadelphia 54 days ago, Rubby De La Rosa and Dee Gordon each made their first major league starts, each contributing in a 6-2 win over the Phillies. Today, both are reunited again as they each start a new chapter in their major league career. Gordon is back with the Dodgers for his second stint, filling the void at shortstop left by the trade of Rafael Furcal to St. Louis.

De La Rosa's new chapter is minor, as he has remained with the big club since he was promoted on May 23. However, today is Rubby's first start with his new uniform number of 41. De La Rosa was doing very well as number 50, averaging nearly a strikeout per inning with an ERA, FIP, xFIP, and SIERA in the mid threes. In his last five starts, De La Rosa has been even better, with a 2.03 ERA to go along with nine unintentional walks and 27 strikeouts in 31 innings. Today is Rubby's first appearance against the Diamondbacks.

Joe Saunders has faced the Dodgers twice this season and has lost both games. He allowed four runs in 6 2/3 innings on May 13 at Dodger Stadium, and allowed four runs in six innings on July 15 at Chase Field in Phoenix. Juan Rivera and Matt Kemp each homered off Saunders in Arizona, and Rod Barajas took Saunders deep back in May.

One day after trading for Jason Marquis, Arizona made another move for a pitcher, sending first baseman Brandon Allen and relief pitcher Jordan Norberto to Oakland for reliever Brad Ziegler. Steve Gilbert of MLB.com has the details.

Lineups

Diamondbacks   Dodgers
SS
Bloomquist

LF
Gwynn
2B
Johnson

3B
Miles
RF
Upton

RF
Ethier
C
Montero

CF
Kemp
1B
Nady

1B
Rivera
3B
Roberts

C
Navarro
LF
Parra

2B
Carroll
CF
Cowgill

SS
Gordon
P
Saunders

P
Rubby

Game Time: 1:10 p.m.

TV: Prime Ticket

MLB Gameday

Poll
With 56 games left in the season, Matt Kemp has 28 stolen bases and Dee Gordon has nine. Who will end the 2011 season with more stolen bases?
Matt Kemp
203 votes
Dee Gordon
46 votes

249 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted Kemp

But I think Gordon could actually do it.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

wow

the padres got a perfect haul….

those pitchers would have just been average in the AL and in that texas ballpark…

but in the NL and in SD ballpark, the numbers those 2 might put up will be funny…

great deal for the padres..

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Not only that

But a non-closer. That with the fact that they got a 3+ WAR player already this season with Cameron Maybin and they turned their superb bullpen into a massive haul combined. Their GM is doing wonders.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least the Rangers had enough sense to realize Adams is way better than Bell.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

and they dont even need to trade heath bell cause hes a type a free agent at the end of the season, so draft picks outta him…

sd is on the rise

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone is rising but ………….

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

whose laughing? only those who don’t care.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't forget Alex Reed!!

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Reed, sorry

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great deal for the Padres

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

they cost our future dearly

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

besides screwing with our present

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Padilla too

if he was dealing he would’ve definitely helped. This season really blows.

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ed Wade is terrible

water is wet

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

To bad the Rangers didn’t want an outfielder.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bet we could've gotten Olt for Hiro

or one of the kids going to SD. But the fans in Hiroshima are happy!

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Given that return for Adams I might start getting irked at Kuroda except for the satisfaction that would give Joey Joe.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's tough to get irked at Hiro

I’m disappointed he wouldn’t move, but no ill will towards him. He’s a great Dodger, and Ned gave him the no trade. To the extent the no trade was a deal breaker in his K, then it is what it is.

by oshea2002 on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least Adams is there for 2.5 more years.

But you know, reliever.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers plan on making him a starter next year.

Actually this totally clears the way for Feliz to move into the rotation next summer. Soon the Ranger rotation will all be converted closers.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully they fix whatevers wrong with him.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just think the loyalty thing was overplayed

it was personal comfort and his code of honor. I’m over it, but I wasn’t happy. I’m not gonna curse him out though cos it was his right and I just think it is more indicative of the Dodgers’ lack of contingency plan if they did have a bad season.

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Adams NRI turned into top two top prospects. Depo must some type of feel good feeling today.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Wandy to Indians close

richardjustice
Hearing Astros close to trading Wandy Rodriguez to Cleveland for 2 minor leaguers.

by silverwidow on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

that’s a cash dump, wonder if they can afford i

by oshea2002 on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Indians can deal with paying Travis Hafner and Wandy.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did the Lucwick thing happen?

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ludwick

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

How is this possible

the astros asking price is considered VERY high for wandy and Cleveland is out of top prospects to give houston…

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

astros are dumping everything for w/e they can get

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

hyeah

they totally messsed up on bourne though… they should have gotten delgado or vizcaino…

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, they are really going all in and they aren't even going after rentals!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

seriously

all these guy are controlled for 2 to 3 more years

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling they are looking more at next year then this year with these deals.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

astros are like

35-72…

If they actually get worse than that eve by getting rid of useable pieces…i’d like to see it.
I do like Ed Wade’s blow it up approach..even though he’s not getting much back.

At least they dont have to pay as much to be a 32% winning ball club.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems this was on orders from the new owner, blow it up he said.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is there anything else at all left with value?

Bud Norris seems to be about it from what I can remember.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Myers

and don’t forget Barmes:)

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

brett wallace

he wwas pretty good in the beginning of the year…

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot about him

He’s cost controlled though so I see no reason to deal him.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

a team blowing it up doesn’t trade a 2nd year player unless they feel they he’s not going to cut the mustard.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He isn’t any good. Someone might think he is.

Well at least the three teams that haven’t had him might.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll get better IMO

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF they just want to cut salary, they should deal Carlos Lee and pay whatever to do it.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Lee dealt for two for one Breakfast Jack coupon.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bud Norris and Jordan Lyles (though they wont trade him).

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember folks saying such things about the Marlins. Then shit happened.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

thru 7

But the Padres just had to take Matt Bush!

But also…why were the Padres drafting first that year when the Tigers lost 119 games the year before?

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was the final year of alternating leagues. NL worst record had first pick in 2004, followed by AL worst record, then NL 2nd-worst record, then AL 2nd worst, and so on

by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

We had some big ass rain drops here in Woodland Hills. Already gone but it was cool for a few minutes.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Davey Lopes is back to wearing number 15, first time as a Dodger since a mere 10,868 days ago.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

He snagged that quickly didn’t he.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never heard of the Old 97’s until this morning. Tiss a shame because I love that type of music. Four Leave Clover sounds like X in their heyday.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

They were my first purchase from ITunes, so far I’ve liked everything I’ve heard. Funny, my wife was listening to car talk this morning and said I should check out the song “I won’t be home” because she said it was my style so I did and she was right.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

the rhett miller solo stuff is not as good, unfortunately.

by mintxcore on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

just listening to them now

remind me of Social D, but it was just one song.

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Must of had influences from Blasters

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

also interesting

how Uncle Tupelo begat Son Volt and Wilco.

by kinbote on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES!

Anodyne was a great album.

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also love the Mekons

British take on American roots music.

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yankee’s now missing HOF SS and 3rd baseman.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Like the A’s trade for Brandon Allen.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

what did he do

hard to tell from twitter. Just peg someone? or multiple people??

by Xeifrank on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

what happenned

mags hit a homerun earlier in the game and just starred at it. maggs and weaver exchanged words after his next ab. and just now, gullien just homered and starred it, then look backed at weaver, and then slowly trotted to 1b while starring at weaver.

weaver didnt enjoy that and threw it at the next batter. then got tossed.

all while verlander is sitting on the bench for an extended period of time during a middle of a no hitter.

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't blame Weaver then

if that is what happened. I’d probably just walk to home plate after the Guillen HR and start the fight when he reaches home plate. Why wait and throw at somebody. /G.Scott

by Xeifrank on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weaver totally losing his cool

just threw over avail’s head

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

avila's

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fire that umpire.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weaver’s such a punk.
Just got kicked out of the game.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

If you dont like how guys trot after hitting homers…dont give up homers.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Carlos Guillen is my new favorite player…i dont like jered weaver anyways.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

-1

dude carlos guillen is the piece of shit who started all that

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

seriously

2nd homerun of the year..you lucked into one you little bitch.
i would have done the same thing if i was weaver.

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then he should have tried to murder Guillen.

Or strike Avila out then gave him a smug look.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

he hit a homer

he can moonwalk around the bases.
Its his right.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

GScott would punch that dude in the face if he Moonwalked. :)

by silverwidow on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only Trumbo would do that to Gscott :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

it is..

but weaver’s a bitch knowing that it will get him thrown out of the game.

He’s basically quitting when he does that.
Throwing a tantrum.

I dont want guys like that on my team.
I want dudes that come back and strike out the next hitter.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

would you rather have a spineless guy like Billingsley with no heart? ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes.
I dont think hitting guys does anything but put a runner on base.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was really just a joke, not expecting any kind of response, lol

I couldn’t really care either way.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the middle of a pennant race. it was bush league of him. Swallow your pride and pitch, don’t be a bitch.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should have just charged at Guillen and punched him in the head.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

tht fool hit a homer watched it for 4 seconds, then tossed his bat like a girl

while looking at weaver and then running to first while his body is turned looking at weaver… whatta peice of shit

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Might be some history there, don’t be so quick to judge. Guillen is usually a classy player.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah he is the one who started that shit

Fuckin back up infielder think he is something.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol, this was funny

Went back to watch. Weaver was already walking off the mound as he was pitching it.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

saw the replay again

yes, its weaver’s fault for giving up the home run, but Guillen acted like he was fucking barry bonds.

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Next year

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or it could make for an exciting playoff game.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Though the Angel chances took a big hit with standing still while the Rangers were interested in the present.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Tigers are going to be challenged by what the Indians did as well

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indians still need bats. The kids are flailing, tough time for them to grow into their positions.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

Am pretty sure the Angels got a lot of Bourjos inquiries with hunter, Wells, Abreu, trout, trumbo and morales all locked into 2012. Not saying they would trade him but he would be a target.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet he’s still here.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no way Verlander retaliates he’s got a no hitter going anyway.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

sat on the bench for a while

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

there goes the no-no

booooooo

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, what a shitty thing to do

That’s the “retaliation” for the hr trot. That’s messed up to do against a no hitter, IMO.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Was it a bunt? I didn’t see

by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Aybar was bunting

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can a bunt be defiant?

by kinbote on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

A no hitter is going

one of those unwritten rules IMO.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burn the unwritten rulebook.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better yet, make somebody write it down, then throw at his head.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lolwut

as the opposing team, you do anything possible to break up the no hitter. what the fuck?

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe try swinging the bat?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

this isn't vlad guerrero laying a bunt down

it’s erick fucking aybar. that’s what he does. he’s a speedy MIF. he bunts. especially against a pitcher who NO ONE is hitting today, you try to get on base anyway possible.

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care if it's Juan Pierre

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

bunting is part of baseball

people bunt to try to get on base. it happens.

especially during no hitter attempts.

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I still remember when CC was going for no-no with Brew Crew

And Andy Laroche lay down a PERFECT bunt to break up the nono. It ended up being a no hitter, but thats just how it is. Bunting is there to use it, infield hits are hits, just ask Ichiro shit.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of these unwritten rules are archaic

For example, stealing a base not acceptable if you’re up like 7-0.

by Freddy V on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very obviously an error

by silverwidow on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it is a close game everything is on the table, this is a pennant race not some gentleman’s game.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

3-0 game is close, sure

But not like 1-0. I just think it’s not the right thing to do in that situation.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are wrong, baserunners any way you can do it is the name of the game.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's your opinion

I don’t think you’re wrong, don’t tell me I am.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

show me this unwritten rule

where the opposing team is suppose to lay down for the pitcher tossing a no hitter.

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now that would defeat the purpose of an unwritten rule ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you recall Derek Lowe's no hitter

I believe Crawford tried to bunt his way on and some people were pissed. And I remember when Randy Johnson had a no hitter going against the Padres, and a Padre bunted his way aboard late. RJ was pissed like crazy that night if i remember correctly.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

And everyone who was pissed is a giant baby.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least he didn’t walk over his mound ;)

by kinbote on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bullshit. That’s the stupidest “unwritten rule” there is. You’re trying to win a ballgame and you need baserunners. If they can’t defend a bunt, fuck ’em.

by KellyStephen on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think what you will

That’s the way I feel about it.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aybar to apologize after the game for making his team win the game.

“I’m sorry I spit on the honorable Cap Ansons grave…”

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its a clear error he would have had him easily with a good throw.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

OT

Rockies handled the whole Ubaldo thing last night pretty shamefully. They made him pitch an inning when he pretty much knew he was getting dealt. I watched him being interviewed on SC last nite, he was even flabbergasted as to why they let him pitch. His head was totally not in the game.

Rockies will be in last place next year, below us :)

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Funny too

Cause Ubaldo clearly said his head was clearly not in the game, and he couldn’t throw strike.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly, the Rockies failed in every way from the trade to how they handled it.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric

And I talked about this before he headed to the game today. I would not be surprised if the Rockies’s medical staff don’t suspect something is wrong ith him.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

very suspicious why they would trade him

in the first place. If I’m the Indians I give him a VERY thorough physical.

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give him a Sonia Aquino?

by kinbote on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd never ever trade her

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a year

Where the dodgers needed good health to both compete or flip pieces for sale, they got neither.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

A healthy Broxton would be nice to dangle right about now.

by kinbote on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think his salary would be a detriment though to dealing him even if he was healthy.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

What a horrible play

Still no hit I think.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The no hitter loses its luster when you give up a run though.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

still counts

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

No hitter is still a no hitter

What does luster have to do with this lol.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its like

No Hitter loses its luster because it is not a perfect game. what?

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just get me a contact swing.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

jonmorosi
Ludwick to #Pirates close, source says.

by silverwidow on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Its pirates now? I thought it was Indians, shit… 30 mins away lol

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hit 100 on his last pitch

Amazing for the 8th inning.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

so rockies are trying ian stewart

i knew he sucks now, but our current 3b’s suck too!

lets flip castellenos for him.

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds good to me

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read “another NL club” is after him. Could be us . . .

by kinbote on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Troncoso and Castellanos for Stewart. Let’s do it!

by silverwidow on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm down

WANT TRADE

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he really?

Man this game is becoming really good, I hope LAA wins just to see the rage from DET

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who could wonder why, lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He absolutely deserves what Verlander was saying too

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well gratz on siding with the man who believes in the power of magical rocks.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm amazed at how pompous you usually are

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

come on, you are flailing against a windmill, you got on Joey’s case last night because he was one against many and you are in the same boat. Only you feel that a bunt is a bad thing while a no hitter is going on in a close game.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And like I said earlier it's my opinion

I’m not telling everyone they should feel this way, it’s how I feel about it. “Bad” opinion or not, I think it was stupid.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t have obviously bad opinions.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not, you're a baseball guru

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think bunting is ok there..

only thing i could think of comparable that i wouldnt agree with is if a pitcher had a perfect game going, and you as the hitter tried to lean into a pitch to get hit. That would be bushleague.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he doesn't

He can just tell him that his defense failed him in the first place. Hell they failed so horribly that they let Aybar generously score by failing to execute a proper run down and have an extra out to break the no hitter.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was actually his own fault that allowed the run to score

On the pickle. Verlander that is. If people don’t think this kind of thing is important to the players, they really don’t pay attention.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure its important to the players

But other players dont have to respect the other players regardless of what they do.

If your point is that “this kind of thing is important to the players”, then I’m sure this kind of getting “no-hit” thing is important to Aybar too and he wanted to break it regardless of what happens, since it is pretty embarrassing to the team to get no hitted. I’m sure Aybar knew he was gonna get some hate from DET fans and Verlander himself, but why does he care? All he needs to care about is his own team and doesn’t need to “respect” players. He can swing or he doesn’t have to, its his choice. He challenged the defense using the tactic within baseball rule and it is Verlander’s fault for not getting him out, hell for letting him score (Although 3rd and SS failed at run down before Verlander had to come in)

They’re all getting paid by their respective team, no need to have respect, just try anything to win or hell try to get a hit in this case.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

what if the score was 8-0?

And say Ryan Howard is at the plate…the defense is playing its normal shift.

Would it be wrong for Howard to bunt away from the shift to break up the no hitter?

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are talking 8th / 9th inning. JMO

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

so bunting can be wrong in some cases for breaking up a no hitter?

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Context, when a game is still winnable you do everything you can to win the game, when it is not, if a player goes out of his norm approach, I’d consider that a fastball to his ass next at bat. Someone like Aybar / Pierre you have to guard the bunt every at bat.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

different story with aybar

he bunts all the time.

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Literally the most in baseball.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like shaqfor3 said..

Is bunting for a hit ever a Ryan Howard’s way of playing the game? Or for any 1st basemen in this case?

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think sluggers that get shifted on all the time should periodically do it to keep teams honest tho

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

There is also a thing where some teams might not like that due to possibility of injuries from stretching for infield hit.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

what was verlander saying

imma drill u in the ass next time we face each other?

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

with his 100mph heat

i wouldnt be looking forward to that.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

A guy as small as Aybar

He’s gonna feel that for a week or so after, lol.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats one stunt i dont think jackass has done..

get hit by a pitching machine or pitcher.

It’d take some balls to get in front of a 100mph pitch and let it hit you

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

KC Blogger did it a few months ago, was only supposed to be 88 I think but it ended up being 92 I think.

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

it has to hurt more than getting hit by paint balls

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

hopefully this goes into extras

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by shaqfor3 on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Valverde has 1st base open..maybe he’ll plunk Aybar

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

It would be funny if he does.

by LAD17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

fitting way to end it IMO

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Valverde has blown a save all year. He’s saving them up for the playoffs

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, i saw something about Wandy NOT being traded

Idk if that’s true though

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Ouch

He’s doing awful this year

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

380

i would take that in our 2 spot any day

by matthewmafa on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's actually better than I thought

But he’s essentially their Jamey Carroll. Good to have, sure, but not at 9 mill a year :/

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you tag them left to right?

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

whats encased in that glass?

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plan 9

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

always

plus, is that Juan Castro in the white shirt?

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by Pure Azure on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Downtown stadium

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by meercatjohn on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best part about this trade deadline special is learning than Jon Heyman works in a closet.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

so i just saw a randy johnson just for men commercial

and i decided to look up his career.

how the fuck did he throw 184 innings at 118 ERA+ at the age of 44?

by npurcell on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Being one of the top 10 pitchers ever will help you do that

I bet he could be around a 100 ERA+ right now if he were to play this year.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He and Roger Clemens discovered the fountain of youth.

by Joey Joe on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im jealous at what the Padres got for Mike Adams

Erlin and Wieland’s command is going open windows for them in our division.

by Julio Nievas on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm not too happy

Dodgers are missing out on allot of players that would have helped in 2012

C Ianetta is available, without him it seems like Dodgers are going to have to sign Ramon Hernandez. Though they won’t have much competition, and I wouldn’t mind a Hernandez/AJ Ellis combo.

1st two of the guys I wanted the dodgers to target, Branden Allen and Chris Davis, were traded for packages the Dodgers could have matched….
If new ownership does not occur by the offseason Dodgers will be looking at Carlos Pena, or Derek Lee.

2nd and 3rd are going to be pretty sad if Juan Uribe is the best the Dodgers can do. The Rockies seem to be shopping Ian Stewart, I would get in on that. A tremendous move would be to trade for the Padres Chase Headley.

Overall it seems that the Dodgers are not in a position to be sellers (their roster is simplynot built for it). Nor are they primed to greatly improve the team through fee agency.

Therefore the best option might be to invest what finances
The dodgers can muster into short term veterans so as to make a run at the playoffs.

Re-sign Hiroki Kuroda (he better not go back to Japan)
Sign Ramon Hernandez to a two year 9 million dollar deal.
Sign Carlos Pena to a two year 15 million dollar deal
Sign one of the free agent closers to a two year deal
Sign a veteran middle infielder
Trade for Chase Headley

A 2012 Dodger team with these additions could attempt contention, and should it be unable to do so, it would be in a great sellers position. Hernandez, Pena, Uribe, Lilly, Ethier, (maybe even Kemp) would be Attractive. Especially considering how many of them would be signed through 2013 and thus not be pure rentals.

This strategy of riding the line between buying and selling would enable flexibility whilst awaiting ownership resolution. The Dodgers could reemerge in 2014 with new
Owners, boat loads of cash, reinforcements from the minors, and an impressive free agent class from which to draw. Until
Then though, Ned should reimplement his 2006 strategy, and hope for equally exciting results.

by Table on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Gordon
Ethier
Pena
Kemp
Headley
Sands
Hernandez
Barmes

Ellis
Uribe
Robinson
Hoffman
Oeltjen
Dejesus

Kershaw
Billingsley
Kuroda
Lilly
De La Rosa

Nathan
Kuo
Elbert
Jansen
Guerrier
Guerra
Lindblom

How does that look?

by Table on Jul 31, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

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