Danger, Trayvon Robinson: Ned Colletti Lost In Space
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM PDT
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In what was believed to be the last deal that went down before the 1 p.m. PDT MLB trade deadline, Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti correctly summed up his organization with this phrase: "We needed catching." Colletti addressed this need by trading outfielder Trayvon Robinson to Boston for three players, including soon-to-be 24-year old catcher Tim Federowicz.
Robinson was then traded by the Red Sox with Chih-Hsien Chiang to Seattle for pitcher Erik Bedard. Robinson was hitting .293/.375/.563 with 26 home runs in Triple A. Yes, Robinson accumulated those numbers in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League and yes he struck out in 29.3% of his plate appearances, but that doesn't mean he was without value. Colletti acknowledged that Robinson was behind Dee Gordon and Jerry Sands among position player prospects in the Dodgers system.
Colletti described his farm system is deep in pitching, calling the Double A staff well above average. Colletti added that the system was lean in position players and "ultra lean" in catchers. "You can move people around the outfield. You can move people to the infield. You can't move somebody behind the plate," Colletti said, apparently forgetting about converted third basemen Russell Martin and Carlos Santana.
In Federowicz, the Dodgers got a catcher hitting .275/.337/.397 in Double A. Colletti said he has been talking with Boston off and on this season for Federowicz, who Colletti called "a very good defensive player right now. A good leader, strong behind the plate in a lot of ways. His offense is a work in progress, but he's made gains in that." Talks with the Red Sox had cooled until this morning, when Boston GM Theo Epstein called Colletti about a possible three-way trade with Seattle.
Federowicz will report to Triple A Albuquerque, and is in the catching mix for 2012.
The Dodgers also got pitchers Juan Rodriguez and Stephen Fife in the deal. Rodriguez is a 22-year old who will report to Class A Great Lakes. "Rodriguez has a huge arm, strikeout guy, needs some more refinement on his secondary pitches," Colletti said. Fife is a 24-year old who is 11-4 with a 3.66 ERA in Double A this year, about whom Colletti applied the Ely-esque praise of "pitchability."
There is a decent enough chance Trayvon Robinson may never be a major league regular. But at the very least, Robinson could have been a cheap fourth outfielder for three to six years, which seems like more of an upside than the Dodgers received in return. To me this trade is an overreaction to fill a need, a need Colletti himself was largely responsible in creating. I'm not even confident that need was anywhere close to being filled. Which leaves me empty.
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Ned is trollin' all y'all
he’ll be laughing when T-Fed becomes the next Brad Ausmus.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Think of this as Ned Colletti saving all of us from disappointment later when we realize Trayvon Robinson is a bust.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I'll be rooting for him to make it
a kid from South LA and the RBI program is a great story
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
and Lambo
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
except i was being sarcastic...
because Santana doesn’t suck
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
and
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Lucas May
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
and Joel Guzman
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
and Tony Abreu!
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
and Delwyn Young.
The point isn’t “all prospects Ned trades away become crap” but rather, “all prospects are highly volatile, and should never be considered sure things”
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
to be fair
it’s not what the prospects turn out to be, it’s the value at the time. Pods and Dotel were pointless moves, Pods would’ve been worse if he accepted the deal Ned offered. We’d be stuck with him.
He has made some good moves. But he also relies too much on veteran relievers and veteran fringe players.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
or Choi, Cody Ross, Jayson Werth, James McDonald, Edwin Jackson...
if this GM doesnt like you or a part of your game…you’re dealt.
Prior stats/portential be damned.
I thought it was strange Trayvon was never promoted this year.
Clearly they just didnt like him.
Maybe it was the k rate…but hate to see guys jettisoned for 1 bad thing…your’e ignoring all the good qualities when you focus on 1 flaw
who would we like to take neds job?
"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys
a young GM in the mold of AA from Toronto
or a Jon Daniels.type
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
all right.
I no longer feel like killing myself about this trade at least. progress. and I do like adding the catcher they got. but sell high means getting better return, ned. and selling mode means trading vets, not prospects, or just waiting.
. whatever. did logan white give his blessing, I wonder?
I was just rooting for tray so maybe I am also not that clearheaded about this.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
i'm just bummed bc tray gave me alot of hope for next season..
where’s the hope?
What young player can we get excited about?
part of rooting for a baseball team is having hope..and when you trade hope away the present looks that much worse.
there's very little to like about the dodgers right now
therefore you cling to things more tightly than normal that may appear to have a chance to be good
I know what he means though
I mean, yes, some of it is just getting attached to players who may not work out anyway. His K rate was still a major concern for me. But if you take away the attachment and think about it more rationally, what NedCo did is sell high on a guy, but get worse. If you’re going to trade from a position of strength, a top rated prospect (even if not deserving) get the best return you can. Otherwise why do it now? Wait til you get better value.
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At this point, i’d like to Brandon Lennox’s answer to his own question in his “Jerry Sands or Trayvon Robinson” post.
Maybe he thought selling high on Tray
was getting a future backup for Griff. Griff/Fedo catching combo for the future doesn’t sound so bad.
Whither Pratt Maynard?
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ugh why do I keep going to halosheaven
Well after being mocked by the scum of the earth, the unredeemable alky gutterswine that is Carlos (hic) Guillen, Jered threw high above the helmet of the next batter and was tossed from the game, raging against the dying of the light all the way to the showers.
Tempers flared because Venezuelan socialist Magglio Ordonez had decided to admire an earlier HR, hoping that the pellet shrinking into the distance will recur in the prostate of his beloved Hugo Chavez, dying in a Cuban cancer ward despite the millions Ordonez has showered on his regime.
this is the official postgame write up, not a comment.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
wow
what a schmuck
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember him being booed
by Venezuela fans during the WBC
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
he may just be showing national pride
most the very wealthy arent affected by the ills of socialism in countries like Venezuela
what was it like when you visited?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
i lived in Venezuela
Chavez is very popular for very tangible reasons. Out of respect for the site ill leave it at that, but trust we only hear one side of things in our press. Oh, and Ozzie Guillen is friends with Chavez, just disagrees with a lot of his principals.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jul 31, 2011 4:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And that has zero to do with the game today. Seems like something you'd read on Angels.com comment thread, not from someone who is supposed to be more mature and responsible.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Guess not. But makes SBNation look bad as whole.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
seriously though, whoever this writer is simultaneously quoted Dylan Thomas while accusing someone of being “socialist” because of the country he was born in? Yuck.
the fact that he brought it up at all in a baseball write up
is dumb dumb dumb
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
its probably bc
he was giong to Chavez support rallies.
Now if the Angels blog called Ozzie Guillen a socialist…they’d be way wrong.
he hates him
This is why I hate Orange County
"[Bob Gibson] pitches as though he's double-parked." - Vin Scully
by Maddz on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
don't go trolling me know
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Outside of Wrigley...
the sell the same shirt but with Pujols.
cardinals used to see a fukudome shirt
something similar of nature..
i think they have a "smarzija does my taxes’ shirt too
also
Unlike Weaver, Carlos Guillen is a sociopathic DUI contortionist, and his bloated frame makes everyone realize he is a staggering puffy boozing headcase with nothing to live for
Talk about immature…
It’s someone who can maneuver their body in such a way that…never mind.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
ps sorry for last night. I may have passed out at around 8 pm
"[Bob Gibson] pitches as though he's double-parked." - Vin Scully
We are deep in OF prospects
But need depth at C. Since Kuroda wasn’t traded to the Yankees we looked elsewhere for C prospects. I would have liked Lavarnway but his defense isn’t good so he isn’t much of a catcher. Federowicz is a good defensive C with an ok bat. We traded from a position of strength for a position where we were thin. We still have many other OF prospects who can take his place like Silverio, Russell, Songo, etc. This move while not great is not terrible either.
I was actually thinking that Ned should get something for Trayvon before it gets out that he’s not the power hitter he seems.
"Catching is one of the toughest things to find" (Ned, paraphrased)
Then why did you trade your top level catching prospect for shit?
by Freddy V on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
let me tell u why
cause santana was having his breakout just like trayvon was this year…. yet in a hitters league (cal league) so ned thought santana was a fluke just like hes thinking trayvons is a fluke…
if Ned just looked beyond the numbers
at people who can control the strike zone like Santana!! While Blake was clearly not shit, there’s no defending the trade at this point and I’m just walking away.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
That '08 team
Needed CC a lot more than Blake. I know it’s pointless to say what if but what if they had kept Konerko and Beltre? Then they could have traded Santana for CC then I’m okay with it and they would have at least 1 ring. I know what if what if…..Not eating $2 of Blake’s contract and costing them Santana is still really hard for us all to get over and always will be.
This wasn't Trayvon's breakout year
It was his “go homer happy in ABQ despite being a primarily OBP prospect” year that demonstrated that he’s forgotten to take a walk.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Do any of us really think Ned had a choice with Santana?
Most of us believe/know he was told to throw him in rather than pay cash to the Indians.
but teh internetz said so
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i was flat out told that it's true from front office people in ST.
believe it or don’t.
that is false
the Indians wanted Santana for Blake.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
X
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Yeah, this isn't that bad of a deal.
Travyon always seemed like a AAAA player to me.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I am seeing and hearing things about Fife and Fed that make think they'll be useful players
at least, as I said above that makes me feel less suicidal at least. Still would’ve preferred a Lavarnaway type but assuming he wasn’t available.
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Apparently the catcher we got
Has had all of one passed ball all year.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He sounds really good defensively
and like his bat can continue to improve, so I could definitely see myself liking him.
But I feel like we are stockpiling backup catchers right now.
But maybe it’ll be Griff and Fed in 2013!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Well in the sense that I think good catchers are still a rare commodity
it’s in that sense even better than stockpiling backup OFers, because I think the latter are much easier to come by, less rare. And they could end up with even better trade value down the road because of that.
Still, given we had a future starting catcher that he traded away (not to go down that road again) it’s a bit ironic t hat he’s worried about this now… But yes I do see the logic of it all.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Basically
We gave up a backup outfielder for a backup catcher and two relievers.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Its going to be interesting
How Trayvon plays in the Safeco Field, or he could rot away like how Shin Soo Choo did cause Ichiro and Frank Gut is blocking him…
So he’ll have to definitely play LF.. He’ll probably come to spring training next year for Seattle I’m sure and then we will see how this trade will affect, since many of us are believing Fed will come to spring training next year.
They have no other choice.
They need to take bat out of Chone Figgins, thats what they need to do, actually this team is so much more offensively challenged than us, I don’t even know if taking out one or two shitty bats are gonna change anything.
the funny thing is the mariners have like 6 Outfielders right now
who can play in the majors…
trayvon will have to earn his way there…
just like he would have with us. Let’s not pretend he was anything better than he has proven to be.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
well he probably would have the Left field job next year..
sands at firsst…
in seattle, they have ichiro in left and 2 spots for Franklin gutierez, peguero, robinson, halman and michael saunders to play…
o and i forgot about the guy they just acquired Casper wells...
thats 7 guys ready to play in the majors for 3 outfield spots…
they could always flip Trayvon again
"[Bob Gibson] pitches as though he's double-parked." - Vin Scully
We'll take him back in exchange for Justin Sellers and Kyle Russell!
there! More position players, Seattle!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Its funny
Cause Mariners always give up on prospects and they bloom somewhere else. This happened many many times too.
Fed was listed as the Sox 21st best prospect coming into the year. Lavarnaway was rated their 15th best prospect. Most everyone that is mad would have been ecstatic if we got Lavarnaway.
I find it all funny.
Lavarnaway is a terrible defensive C where Fed is very good
by dodgers4life on Jul 31, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My question is
do we see Fed up in the majors soon?
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on what we do in the offseason. There are no good catchers in free agency so we may give him a look as a backup along with Ellis. I though would try to trade for a catcher. Maybe Soto from the Cubs?
by dodgers4life on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He's still really good for a catcher
1 year deal, have Ellis and Fed fight over the backup spot.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
other than guys in the farm system there are no good young free agent catchers and don’t know of too many who are gonna be available via trade, so Hernandez becomes more appealing at that point.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Here's your 2012 potential FA Catchers
* = option
Rod Barajas LAD
Henry Blanco ARI
Ramon Castro CWS
Ryan Doumit PIT
Ramon Hernandez CIN
Jason Kendall KC
Gerald Laird STL
Jose Molina TOR
Yadier Molina STL *
Dioner Navarro LAD
Jorge Posada NYY
Ivan Rodriguez WAS
Brian Schneider PHI
Kelly Shoppach TB *
Chris Snyder PIT *
Matt Treanor KC
Jason Varitek BOS
Hernandez is the only option IMO he’s 36 in May and can catch 100 games giving Fed EX 60+ starts. Perfect
Otherwise Yuck
So could we splice them together and get an all star?
make it happen, science!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
they took 2 different direction
lavarnway is now top 5…
fed is not even top 20
Here's a question.
In the age where stats are so a big important factor. Do you guys think that the organization has more in depth stats (maybe even available to people like us) that show how a player does against certain types of pitchers?
For example, they look at Trayvon Robinson and how he has done against minor league pitchers with an ERA under 4. The result is a batting average around .250 and only 4 home runs. But then you look at how he does with pitchers with an ERA over 4.50 and he’s batting over .300 with 20+ home runs?
Just thought about that and was wondering. Obviously when we all look at stats we dont’ see how well they do against certain players. We just see the whole picture which could be misleading especially in that league.
I like MSTI Mike's write up on the trade including this comment, that sums up how I felt
Besides, what in the hell is a team deep in pitching, desperate for offense and with a gaping hole in the outfield doing trading an MLB-ready outfield prospect for a catcher who may or may not be able to hit and two mildly interesting pitchers?
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by underdog on Jul 31, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is my favorite part
Position isn’t everything, otherwise you’d see the Jays trading Jose Bautista for, well, Dioner Navarro. (Actually, you wouldn’t, because the Jays have a real general manager.) I like the idea of Ned trying to address the catching issue (you know, the one he created), but in no way is this the way to do it.
Fucking Ned.
dfa gordon
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Oh, there's still a game on! Right.
Hah hah.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Just checking in
If there is one thing I learned from Dave’s post earlier this week, it is this: Ned Colletti’s deadline moves are, over the course of his career, a wash.
I think this trade will continue that trend. Robinson will likely turn out to be not much, and neither will any of the three guys the Dodgers got. Maybe they’ll end up a little ahead or a little behind, but we’re working on the margins here.
It is like trading two quarters for five dimes and saying you came out ahead because five is more than two.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Agreed. In the grand scheme of things this trade doesn’t mean a whole lot. But I just got a little irritated at the desperation that seemed to be behind it.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can’t disagree with that irritation. It also kind of seems to miss the point of the deadline. The Dodgers had an opportunity to use the shitty season to stock up on some fringe prospects who might help out in the future. For a variety of reasons, that didn’t work out. Rather than accept that, he pulled the trigger on this move. Why? Why bother?
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
dimes suck. they take forever to fill up a meter.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
is that why I have all of your dimes now?
"[Bob Gibson] pitches as though he's double-parked." - Vin Scully
Yes.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I think I’ll be here fairly late tonight…6:30 ish or so. You two around, or do you have a game?
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably so
But I can use Trayvon Robinson to pay for my laundry! They won’t accept Federowicz and Fife currency.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I’m just mad because Joe Block was the only one to respond to my Tribe Called Quest reference earlier :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Tribe called Qwest
no, actually, it was Safeco to get Choo. It’s been done before. :)
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Hah hah
Nice.
De La Soul references would also work. Dodgers are “3 feet high and sinking.”
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Unless you’re a Brewer, ’cause Brewers are funky.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
FIIIIF
I plead the FIIIIIF
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
How do you feel about white collar crime?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
At least we didnt end up with
(Yeah I’m sure joke was already made. So what!)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
is it 1-0 in the first?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I knew the Dodgers would come back to score five. That home run just put it out of reach :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
wowzers
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
11.3BB/9 before today
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
means he walks about 1.5 per inning on top of the 1 hit per inning.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Pure Azure should have added the #sarcasm tag.
by The Dude Abides on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He was untouchable last year
Especially to the lefties.he didn’t give up a single HR to lefties all year, and batting avg for lefties was .095…
Even righty only hit 1 HR all year lol… Amazing.
last year was the year to trade him
and I thought that last year too
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
He's lost a few MPH on his fastball, it seems.
On top of the control issues.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean shit,
Even Sherrill wasn’t this bad.
by Taylor Maricle on Jul 31, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
you mean he will or won’t be tendered
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Unless the Dodgers can agree to terms with Kuo at a lesser rate, he will be non-tendered.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Of all the things that are sad this year, his poor year may be the one that makes me the saddest.
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Ooooh, actually that is worth looking into.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That would still make me sad.
Records schmecords.
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Before today
Rk Player ERA IP Year Age
1 Dan Bankhead 15.43 14.0 1951 31
2 Mike Judd 15.09 11.1 1998 23
3 Clarence Mitchell 14.21 12.2 1922 31
4 Ed Crane 13.50 10.0 1893 31
5 Orel Hershiser 13.14 24.2 2000 41
6 Hong-Chih Kuo 12.00 12.0 2011 29
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Generated 7/31/2011.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Kuo up to 12.46 ERA, 13.0 IP after today's crappy outing.
A few more crappy outings would do it if he lasts that long.
Few people understand or are indifferent to the
Trayvon trade. I hope we aren’t building for a bleaker future. I guess being a true fan means enduring and never wavering no matter how blind the owner. Royals and Pirate fans know the true meaning of desperation
"show me a hero and I'll show you a tragedy"
I’m not sure what you’re saying here.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
They made Interstate Love Song. Career complete.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
by G.Scott on Jul 31, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a child
Was Ned like the kid in Shel Silverstein’s poem “”http://www.qu-i-x.com/smart.html" target="new">Smart"?
Precisely the poem I was thinking of in my comment above.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah! Nice work. Now I get it.
Are Ned+McCourt also the place where the sidewalk ends?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If the Dodgers had enough money to sign CC
we could make Hungry Mungry jokes.
by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 31, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Baseball America
has their blurbs up on all the players in the trade, within their article on the trade itself.
This is the last part of the writeup on Robinson:
Robinson performed nearly equally as well on the road, batting .280/.354/.537 with 12 of 26 homers in 175 at-bats. His feel for hitting and occasional power will make Robinson a challenger for an everyday job at the major league level, though set expectations for solid regular rather than star.This what they said about Federowicz
Federowicz was the best defensive catcher in the Red Sox system, with the catch-and-throw skills to be a big league regular. His pure arm strength is average, but it plays up because he has smooth footwork and a quick release. He has thrown out 36 percent of basestealers this year in Double-A, and also has shown off his receiving ability by committing just one passed ball. Federowicz’s bat will determine how much he plays when he gets to the majors. He ability to hit for average and control the strike zone is decent, and he has some gap power. He runs well for a catcher and has more athleticism than most backstops.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
`Reading between the lines a bit from Ned
I think he thinks Federowicz is good enough defensively to play in the majors right now.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He said that about T-Fed’s defense, in so many words, on KABC.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Defensively. Ned also said, on KABC, that his bat isn’t there but is coming along.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
he also kinda sounds like a lesser russell martin
a little less of everything from russell
one thing I'll say
he has improved every offensive percentage from last year in A+ to this year in AA, an encouraging sign.
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just realized the games is on
nice Ethier! did vin just say he’s hitting LHP?
"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys
Have to respect beat writers
On a day when actual news happens, the day is ridiculously long. For me today, the game has been almost in the background all day sorting out all this stuff and writing. Crazy.
I was going to say earlier that you are probably not super busy already but Dee can now replace Raffy on the 2011 payroll chart.
I might get around to updating that tonight.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Did not realize...
Kemp is back in the top 5 of all triple crown categories…
quadruple crown?
has THAT ever happened before (not that it will this year)
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Ethier having a nice day at least. And Kemp doing his thing.
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Is that your prediction or your desire?
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Better than Blood on the Tracks in my opinion
by dodgerpreacher on Jul 31, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, I'm gonna say two positive things about Ned, since we've all (including myself) have bashed him up the wazoo
Getting Hawksworth for Theriot. Good move.
Getting Juan Rivera for presumably very little, good move.
There, I’m done.
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just don't hold on to them too long
and we’re set. Well, not really.
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What about him?
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Getting Link and Ely for him.
And I mean, Ned did get Ethier too.
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah yeah. And I was just talking about this season.
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Ugh, what was Dioner swinging at there? Oh well.
I don’t care about the game so it’s cool. ;)
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Needs to be added (Nov 2011)
Withrow
Martin
St. Clair
Redding
Baez
Russell
Delmonico
Gallagher
Federowicz
Fife
Castellanos
u think
they keep Martin on there? not sure why anybody would wanna pick him up
by Dodgerblue8188 on Jul 31, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he’s going to pitch in LA at some point in 2012, yeah.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
FWIW - John Sickels
in his POD column less than a week ago, had upgraded Trayvon Robinson’s rating to a B+ (in the comments).
In his preseason Bosox top-20, he listed Tim Federowicz as one of the “OTHERS OF NOTE”, where #20 was graded “C+”. With two backstops in the top 20, he regarded Federowicz the third-best catching prospect.
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More (sort of), via Twitter
RT @MikeSciosciasTI Mike Petriello
Now that I’d have been ok with. RT @GordonEdes: Dodgers wanted Federowicz and Rodriguez, 2 others, in Kuroda deal, accrding to MLB source.
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by underdog on Jul 31, 2011 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So instead, since Ned was desperate to get those guys, he traded a top prospect instead.
Cool. Just want to be clear. (Guess they really wanted ’em tho.)
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by underdog on Jul 31, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Logan White and his scouts probably talked those Bosox prospects up big to Ned, and it stuck.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yeah since presumably Logan has input here
even if not the final say, he had to have at least discussed those guys, been familiar with them, and obviously familiar with Robinson.
Did he sign off, say, yes, good, do it?
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i wont tell if you wont tell. im depressed.
by chrisdodgers on Jul 31, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles, "10 Feet From Warning Track Power"
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Can't say these guys are defeatist or quitters at least.
Appreciate that, even if they suck. :)
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Dilbeck with this bizarre comment:
You just wonder why they couldn’t have traded Robinson straight up for Lavarnway.
Maybe because Lavarnway is way better?
Haha
if Ned was able to trade Kuroda to Boston and would have gotten Rodriguez, Fedo and 2 fringe guys I would’ve been pissed. This Tray deal is at least better than that.
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I remember when the White Sox traded Chris Young for Javier Vasquez some reporter kept asking “why didn’t you trade Brian Anderson instead” and Kenny Williams replied with something like “Because they wouldn’t take Anderson for Javier Vasquez, duh”
This reminds me of that so much"
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Let us keep shitting on the front office, because we know so much more that the people that get paid to do that for our team.
this place is not nearly as bad
as other SB sites, I mean the Bears site is so full of irrational crap I usually stay away, for example. Most of the criticism is thoughtful enough here.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
/throws chair
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I will keep shitting on the front office if I want to. idgaf, really
by chrisdodgers on Jul 31, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Baseball America
had Trayvon as the Dodgers #10 prospect going into this season.
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