Arizona Goes Deep, Buries Dodgers 6-3
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 4:55 PM PDT
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The Diamondbacks used three home runs, including two from Gerardo Parra, to beat the Dodgers 6-3 on a long Sunday at Dodger Stadium. At three hours, 36 minutes, today's game was the fourth-longest nine-inning game by the Dodgers this season.
All year long the Dodgers have struggled offensively at home, though it hasn't all been due to the park itself. The Dodgers have been outscored at Dodger Stadium 237 to 185 this season, and have been out-homered 51-30, including three to one today. Dioner Navarro hit his first right-handed home run of the season, a shot down the line in left field off Joe Saunders.
Saunders threw one fewer pitch than Rubby De La Rosa, and lasted nearly twice as long, picking up his eighth win of the season. Saunders allowed two runs on eight hits in his 7 2/3 innings, striking out three. Meanwhile, De La Rosa needed 104 pitches to get through his four innings, walking four while striking out six. De La Rosa allowed a pair of home runs, as Ryan Roberts and Parra went back-to-back in the top of the second inning.
J.J. Putz got the final two outs for his 24th save, though the Dodgers did bring the tying run to the plate with one out in the ninth inning. Aaron Miles and Andre Ethier each flew out to end the game.
Notes
- Dodger pitchers combined to throw 211 pitches today, the first time all season they have thrown 200 or more pitches.
- Ethier had four singles on the day, his first four-hit game since October 2, 2010, which was also against Arizona at Dodger Stadium. The starting pitcher for Arizona in that game was Saunders, who also started today.
- Matt Kemp had two singles, extending his hitting streak to eight games.
- Dee Gordon had a single in four at-bats in his first game back.
- Hong-Chih Kuo allowed Parra's second home run, a two-run shot in the eighth inning. One year after posting the best ERA (1.20) in Dodgers history (minimum 40 innings), Kuo this season has the fifth-worst ERA (12.46) among all Dodgers with 10 innings pitched.
- The Dodgers are off to San Diego for a three-game series starting tomorrow night. In a battle of southpaws, Clayton Kershaw starts the opener, opposed by Cory Luebke for the Padres
WP - Joe Saunders (8-8): 7 2/3 IP, 8 hits, 2 runs, 3 strikeouts
LP - Rubby De La Rosa (4-5): 4 IP, 5 hits, 3 runs, 4 walks, 6 strikeouts
Sv - J.J. Putz (24): 2/3 IP, 1 hit
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There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Everybody wants to rule the Dodgers
I can’t stand this indecision, married with a lack of vision
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Arizona 6, Dodgers 3
The Reverse Humma!
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Wait, no. That’s backwards. Reverse Humma is Dodgers 6, Opponent 3. Carry on, nothing to see here.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
TMI / TWSS
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I think what actually may upset me most about this trade is more of an emotional response than a rational one...
but I feel bad for Trayvon, LA native who really wanted to play in front of his hometown someday. I realize this is a business and all, but man, that just seems cruel. I was looking forward to having him debut in LA too.
So when I think “Eff You Ned” today it is about that more than anything.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i.e., from tweet today
RT @newmexicofan Robinson goal was to be a Dodger and play in front of his home crowed
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
First life lesson regarding baseball: it’s a business.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Yep, as I said.
Still makes me a little sad and disappointed is all.
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With the McKleptos and Ned involved
It’s some dirty business
by preacher roe on Jul 31, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
LAT'ed on the last thread
Baseball America
had Trayvon as the Dodgers #10 prospect going into this season.
@davidyoungtbla – The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 31, 2011 4:59 PM PDT
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I lold
keithlaw
The Giants, tired of playing a statue (Tejada) or an automatic out (Crawford) at short, acquire Orlando Cabrera, who is both
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2011 5:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t have minded sending them Furcal for Belt.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
yeah
i’d have done that :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
shaddup
:)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sickels write up of all involved in the Trey trade.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/7/31/2308187/prospects-in-the-erik-bedard-trade#storyjump
Sigh. I am growing more irrational about the trade.
It’s sort of like Ned knew that a losing season meant it was time to be a seller, but, upon investigating his major league roster, he discovered he had nothing to sell. Seeing this, he moved on to the minor leagues and sold Robinson.
It’s not that the trade is so bad so much as it gets filed under W for WTF.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I have
A fan post about “value” in my head. It may take some homemade bacon cheeseburgers and rose to down it with to make it onto the site.
Kuroda
Would have been traded for the same guys apparently? Glad that didn’t happen because that would really make Ned look bad considering what San Diego got for Adams. I like the move because Fed looks like he is great defensively and could be on the team late this year or early next year. We have a couple guys at AA that deserve to be promoted to AAA and that is what should happen now that the OF we got for Furcal will go to AA.
2.5 years of Adams is better than 2 months of Kuroda.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Daniels definitely had a loaded system
to work with, I think he overpaid for both relievers he got but with his system it still makes sense. Uehara comes back next year too.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Do we know this, or do we know this is what Dodgers wanted to get for Kuroda?
I have problems with the trade as you know but my guess is the latter…
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Waiver Deals?
Think we make any this year? Broxton? Blake? How do those work?
Teams
Send players through waivers, if they clear, they can be traded to anyone. If they get claimed, you could either let him go for the wives price, pull him back (thereby ending his tradability for the season, or workout a deal with the team that claimed him.
Now, since minor leaguers have to clear waivers, a lot of times you get the PTBNL.
Blake could be a candidate, Broxton appears done.
I don’t see Blake clearing waivers. Someone would be willing to drop 750K to put him on the bench.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 31, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. And that someone might trade an A-ball outfielder or so for the privilege.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Right. Do we mind if they don't clear waivers?
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Best thing about the deadline
Yankees get nothing, Red Sox barely improve too. Hey, at least the Yanks get to keep all their overhyped prospects!
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I am having difficultly getting too worked up over this deal
I see the various prospect ratings and think that it does appear that, once again, Colletti undersold a prospect. And yet, I look at Robinson’s numbers, in particular his on-going high K rates (about 29% this year) and his seemingly unsustainable BABIPs of ~.400 last year in Chattanooga and ~.380 this year and I at least have to wonder.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
even if tray hits..
250/330/420 in the majors…that is way more valuable than a backup catcher.
Just seems like if you want an all defense backup catcher…you can find those guys everywhere in the minors. Why trade for one?
still take it
corey patterson is better than Hector Gimenez (or whatever backup catcher u can find).
I do wonder, too, how he's gonna fare in Seattle's park for that matter.
But maybe Dodger stadium would have had same issues. Either way, I am still sad he won’t get to play for his hometown fans… but I don’t think this trade is so way OTT against the Dodgers as some have made it sound. I still don’t quite get it, mind you.
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so
do the Dodgers still not have a winning month?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
I was going to tease it by saying read tomorrow’s month in review…but yes
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Now with 100% less Furcal.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
i remember Vinny saying after the first game in this series
they were trying for one. Then we lost the next two games….. :(
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess another way to look at it is that it took
both Travyon Robinson AND a B-/C+ AA OF to rent Erik Bedard for two months.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
i thought Chiang
was an OF
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
I just relied on info that he was a catcher, my mistake
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
which tells you
the return for someone like Kuroda should be pretty good in theory, like 2 B prospects.
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because he's better :)
and that wouldn’t matter to the Sox, anyway, or the Yanks
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The Sox just made sure they acquired their arm by dealing off a few of their C+ and less prospects and got a third team to throw in the highest rated one. Sounds to me like the Sox are interested in making a shrewd deal.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
happens
when you have a 40-man roster crunch of legitimate prospects fueled by investment in the system. We could have that someday.
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Somebody on Dodger Talk is using the Shel Silverstein analogy. That any of you guys?
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Someone reading and stealing from our comments?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Could be, or it could be a regular who liked that particular aspect of the conversation.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't me! But must be a Humma fan!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
So the question that Ned should be asked is
“I know you can’t name names, but what other sorts of other offers did you have for Trayvon Robinson, one of your top prospects?”
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The one question that was sort of similar to that was about trading Trayvon and Trayvon being a top prospect.
Ned answered nearly as fast as Frank McCourt in 2007 answered “Ned” (when asked what his best move as owner was) when he said, “our top prospect is playing shortstop.” Then Ned said Trayvon wasn’t “a top guy.”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 31, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunate answer. Going into this year, most TBLAers had the Top Six — Gordon, Sands, Robinson, Jansen, De La Rosa, Lee. Many different orders, and not universal agreement, but it couldn’t be a surprise that those ended up 1-6.
We know the knocks on Robinson, but the idea that he is not a top guy is spin.
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
eh
spin, or what he and his scouts actually think. They rushed Sands instead of giving Robinson a chance if you remember, and moved Tray out of CF. They may be wrong, but that doesn’tmean he isn’t being honest.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I thought you were going with
Ned saying Ned was their top prospect.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Gordon and Zach Lee
The only two guys ranked in the top 100 by BA before the season?
by Michael White on Jul 31, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
F
Last time Ned was that defensive about trading a prospect his name was Santana when he declared that his scouts had told him that Santana didn’t have much of a chance of staying as a catcher.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
were only allowed to have one good player in the minors..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2011 6:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Quade
has no eye brows
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 31, 2011 6:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
13 up 13 down for Westbrook
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perfect through 5
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by Humma Kavula on Jul 31, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Plaxico on the Jets?
they’re going all in this year
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:16 PM PDT reply actions
like the Eagles
but I don’t see either making it to the SB
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Jets have seemed on the cusp the last couple years
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
some guy
made an analogy that the Dodgers were the lapdog to the Red Sox like the A’s were to the Yankees in the 1950s. This was on the Sickels thread on the Trayvon trade. Anybody with a better grasp than me on 1950s baseball history can go chime in.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Hard to make that case
When the Yankees never traded a player like Manny to the Royals. Unless the Dave Roberts give away has more sway than I think, I don’t buy that comparison.
Don't think you need any better grasp on KC/NY in the 50s.
Trades between Boston and LA in the 2000s (with none in the 1990s)
Today’s trade. (three-way)
Manny. (three-way)
Christian Lara for Eric Hull.
Dave Roberts. (You’re welcome Boston).
You are reaching.
@davidyoungtbla – The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jul 31, 2011 6:33 PM PDT
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
perfect game gone
walked a guy, still has a no-no
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:32 PM PDT reply actions
and
that’s gone
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
he's not even playing yet
i think
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
bah
you usually do it better.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The good news is
Colletti didn’t acquire a mediocre major-league middle reliever at the deadline.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
No this time he went out and got us two minor league relievers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 31, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least instead of just giving away Travon as he did Ross/Paul/D Young due to roster crunch problems, Ned was proactive and filled the system with Red Sox prospects which means that our system will be upgraded due to the influx of Red Sox Prospect.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 31, 2011 6:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey gang
what does the Manny trade do, if anything, for Ned?
"[Bob Gibson] pitches as though he's double-parked." - Vin Scully
I can understand Ned targeting a defensive 1st catcher. All he has to do is look at how well Barajas and Navarro have done for us in keeping us in the race. Keith Law hit the nail on the head, Frodo can be a starting catcher for a second division team and baby that is what we are.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Frodo?
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 31, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
if barajs and navarro were just better defensively
the team would be like 10 games better than what they current are.
Yeah.
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