Jeff Shaw & His All-Star Dodger Debut
by Eric Stephen on Jul 5, 2011 12:01 PM PDT
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Today's Dodgers All-Star moment wasn't necessarily memorable for the performance on the field, but rather a quirk in timing which created a unique circumstance. Normally when a player gets traded to a new team, his first foray into the clubhouse begins with greeting his new teammates. But what do you do when the first clubhouse you enter has not only some of your new teammates, but players from 15 other teams as well? That brings us to the tale of Jeff Shaw, who made his Dodgers debut at the 1998 MLB All-Star Game at Coors Field in Colorado.
Shaw was a rather ordinary reliever for his first six seasons with the Indians, Expos, and White Sox until finding a home in Cincinnati in 1996. After putting up a 2.49 ERA in 104 2/3 innings that year, he became the Reds' closer in 1997, and led the National League with 42 saves. In 1998, Shaw was having his best season, with a 1.81 ERA and 23 saves through July 3.
For the Dodgers, 1998 was a transition year. Mike Piazza was traded, manager Bill Russell and general manager Fred Claire were fired, and the team was struggling on the field, at 42-43 beginning play on July 4. If you thought it wasn't in Ned Colletti's DNA to be a seller, let me introduce you to interim GM Tommy Lasorda. With the team 12½ games out of the NL West, and eight games behind the wild card leader, Lasorda unloaded Paul Konerko, the number two prospect in baseball per Baseball America, and Dennys Reyes for the nearly 32-year old Shaw.
"You look at how many games we lost in the seventh, eight, ninth inning. You see how much I wanted to get this guy," Lasorda told the Associated Press on the day of the trade. "I feel this Dodger club needs this relief pitcher desperately."
Konerko has hit 382 home runs since the trade.
To make matters worse for the Dodgers, Lasorda didn't know about a rule at the time which allowed anyone traded with a multi-year contract had the right to demand a trade in the next offseason. Shaw used that leverage to renegotiate his three-year, $8.4 million deal into a three-year, $16.5 million contract, the second richest pact the Dodgers have ever given a relief pitcher (no, Matt Guerrier is not first).
But for Shaw, before he could join his new team in Los Angeles, there was the matter of the All-Star Game. Shaw was named an All-Star for his work with Cincinnati, but he was no longer a Red. He would debut as a Dodger at the All-Star Game, on his birthday, July 7. The night before, during the Home Run Derby and other festivities, Shaw's new duds hadn't yet arrived, so he had to improvise, per Ross Newhan of the Los Angeles Times:
He wore a blue Dodger cap, a green National League All-Star jersey with a Dodger logo (no, Fox hasn't changed it yet) on the sleeve, white pants that were a little too big and belonged to Raul Mondesi and had been shipped here in anticipation of Mondesi's possible selection, and white and blue workout shoes provided by new Dodger teammate and fellow All-Star Gary Sheffield.
Did he feel like a Dodger yet?
"I feel like a Dodger outfielder," Shaw said, referring to Sheffield's footwear and Mondesi's pants.
As for the game itself, Shaw was one of four closers on the team, with Ugueth Urbina, Trevor Hoffman, and Robb Nen. As expected at Coors Field, the game was high-scoring, a 13-8 win by the American League, and Shaw was not immune to the offense. He allowed one run on three hits in the eighth inning. But for becoming the first player ever to debut with a new team at the midsummer classic, Shaw's 1998 All-Star Game was one to remember.
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My hat is off to Tommy Lasorda
on that wonderful trade.
by Xeifrank on Jul 5, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
make the McDonald for Dotel trade
pale in comparison
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If a trade anything like that happened today
The GM would lose their job by the end of the year…if it was even allowed by the owner.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If the number 2 prospect in baseball was traded for a closer with a couple good years, very much yes I’d believe they would be close to getting fired (depending on if it’s a GM of a team that’s been great for years or made a one year playoff push then failed). It’s a different age than 13 years ago, prospects mean so much more now. There is a big reason why we haven’t been seeing as many big trades involving prospects as we have in the past. Just ask the braves if they would re do the Teixeira trade or if they’d rather have the haul they traded away for him. Ask the giants if they would have liked Francisco Liriano any time the last 6 years.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The man who made the Liriano trade was not fired and now owns a ring. That is your argument?
The point is you have to prove a GM would be fired, so show me ONE gm who has been fired for making one bad trade?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Even then was a different time, that's what I'm saying
To really nit pick when it was obviously hyperbole is a little ridiculous guys. The point is the GM would be thought an idiot. Better?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He lucked his way into that one with great pitching and shitty but timely hitting
Which makes me hate Juan Uribe even more, lol.
As far as a trade of that magnitude, for a GM with mixed results over a period of time, would you want Ned to stay on if he traded Rubby and Eovaldi in 2 weeks for ANY closer?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You’re both right. Problem is, by the time you realize your GM made a boneheaded trade, he’s had a couple years to both make more boneheaded trades and bury you or make one good one to make someone above him think it was a blip.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I doubt if anyone even remembers the terrible trade the GM of the Rangers made to start off his career. He’s still standing. Other then Bavasi you would be hard pressed to find a GM who lost big on every trade.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Was that Agone?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Other way around
it was much worse then that;
Adam Eaton, Billy Killian (minors) and Akinori Otsuka to the Texas Rangers for Adrian Gonzalez, Terrmel Sledge and Chris Young.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
That along with some of the other trades mentioned just aren’t really being done anymore. Top players are now being had for much less than they might have before IMO. With the rising price of top players, it seems like most GMs would rather hold onto the young, cheap talent and let them play for a way lower price and develop into good players.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Tex and Miggy were not that long ago for this to be an accurate statement.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
At this point that is 4 years ago, and we haven’t seen any trades like that for the most part. The closest I’d say is the CC trade, but even though there was a top prospect involved, it was a guy on the cusp of going from the outfield to 1b/dh, so his defensive value was naught, making him a lesser prospect. And even so he still wasn’t a top 10 prospect.
4-5 years ago we had the Santana trade, the miggy trade, the first tex trade. We’re just not seeing the same amounts of trades like that being done because of the huge cost of prospects. I’m incredibly glad the Dodgers never caved in on any of those, it would have cost us Kershaw or Kemp plus other (now not so much valuable) pieces.
I realize that’s not that long ago, but those types of trades aren’t coming that often now. I was surpised to see how much the Cubs paid for Matt Garza, though it wasn’t any top 25 prospects, though a few top 100.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You’re acting like these trades happened 15 or 20 years ago.
Times haven’t really changed since the trades for Tex or AGon.
has interest in
prospects and the draft and stuff like that become a lot more mainstream in the last few years?
Sure
but what on earth does that have to do with what general managers do? All that means is that the public has more of an opinion when they happen.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
well i think the perception of value (in the mainstream, common fan, etc) has shifted and put more value on prospects.
but i also think that technology and general consciousness has changed ability to value AND see these players, again making them more valuable.
its easy to sell stuff you dont really know what it.
I think you are greatly misreading the common fan. The roto fans know the prospects, the fans who read blogs know the prospects, the other 30,000 fans who go to the game don’t even know who Nathan Eovaldi is. If you do not believe me, simply poll the fans around you the next time you hit the ravine. We are not normal fans, we are freaks.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
gooble
gobbel
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
oh i agree
but there are some prospects everyone knows (bryce harper). or a prospect people will jump on quickly (jerry sands).
I’d be willing to bet that a good majority of Dodger fans had never heard of Jerry Sands prior to him playing with the Dodgers.
he got a pretty good ovation
his first game
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodger fans give debut players nice ovations. I was with HJ and BH in the stands during his debut, excellent seats, there was a buzz about him playing because he was new, not because they knew who he was and what he had accomplished. They read his stats on the DiamondVision and said Wow, our left fielders suck, maybe he can do something. JMO
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cool
I wasn’t thinking they new his stats in the minors, just more that maybe they heard about him on the radio on the way to the game and thought “Hey! He can hit home runs! Huzzah!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
but i think that comes with the new perceived value of prospects
possibly the idea of “hey, this guy is supposed to be good” rather than “who is this guy?”
what was it like 5, 10 years ago? or more. i have no idea, i just think in the last handful of years the realization of the value of prospects have become more widespread.
I simply disagree
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no biggie
just throwing ideas out there more than anything else. i wasnt really following baseball that close prior to 2004.
but how often are there are players like Strasburg out there? I think its a new development of this hype that is just in the starting stages.
and i think more and more fans in the future (especially fans of losing teams) will be giving mroe and more attention to prospects because they CAN and its now way more accessible.
I remember the hype being just as big for Griffey Jr (a bit of a different story due to who his dad is), ARod, and Mark Prior. I remember the Prior hype being hge.
But here's the question
And 4down basically already asked it. Would we have gotten into this stuff without blogs like this one exploding in popularity? I’m not sure I would have.
I do think the number of people who get more educated about prospects has gone up. Perhaps not materially so, but blogs have had an impact (IMO)
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I think blogs have helped. No, I don’t think it has had any effect on the way GM’s operate (which was 4down’s original point).
i read DT before I read BA but im not sure if those two were intertwined. they might have been.
and i dont think fan perception plays that much of a part in the GMs operation but I do think the vast networks of information and varied POVs accessible on these prospects make them more important and valuable.
i think the big difference is today, everyday people (such as Brandon) can access and see pretty much the same stuff the GMs/scouts can see. and I think 10-15+ years ago, unless you were living out of your car, you prolly didnt.
I just think the fans who wanted more are getting it, just as the fans who read the sporting news back in the day. Is that % any different, I don’t know, what I do know is that Dodger stadium for the most part is as filled with ignorant fans as it ever has been. Which is fine that they have lives, they simply go to the games to have fun, not dissect everything.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Yeah
I mean it’s obvious the people who casually watch the Dodgers, even a lot who watch every game may not know anything about the prospects we’ve got. But I think the draft is going up in popularity and because of the amount of info we have online more people are getting to know stuff about prospects, even if they aren’t junkies about it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
and to add
there is now more info out there IF you choose to find it, while prior there was very little info even if you WANTED it.
correct me if i'm wrong
but there wasn’t more information necessarily, there was just more free information.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
i would argue
there is more info now than then. but now there is even more ACCESS to that information.
A lot of that was that they where percieved
to be very close to the majors. That and Weaver’s contract demands got him headlines.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
also both local.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Yea, I think the level of excitement for prospects is probably the same as it has always been when they first arrive.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think less people know about Harper then you think
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
after being hyped relentlessly by ESPN, SI, etc, I’d assume the majority of fans are familiar with Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, and couldn’t tell you who went first overall in this year’s draft.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I can’t tell you who went first overall in this year’s draft.
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, I remember it being a UCLA guy. Couldn’t remember his name.
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Gerrit Cole
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
and I thought it was the other UCLA guy, what’s his name:)
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
ha ha, must be the long toss guy
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Trevor Bauer
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
well, yeah
but he’s more the guy with really, really shitty mechanics throwing 140 pitches at 100mph.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Gerrit Cole I believe
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
did you hear?
Bryce Harper blew a kiss at a pitcher after he hit a home run off of him?
DID YOU!??!?!?!?!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
I was typing out this very thing but you said it better and before I could.
Even if the statheads like us were a bigger part of the fanbase it wouldn’t change how a GM operates. I’m pretty sure none of us thought building a team with a ton of low OBP guys thought it was a good idea when Ned did it in the offseason. It didn’t stop Ned from doing it and there are many GM’s who think just like him.
I'd say very much so
How many of us in here paid attention to prospects more than just casually before a few years ago? I didn’t start paying attention till 2006, and it’s been more and more attention every year. The more time that goes on the more websites will have info for these minor leaguers and the more people have paid attention to them.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Read the post above I just posted. It’s starting to become obvious that most GMs (unless you’re Jim Hendry) aren’t willing to trade that much cheap talent anymore for one player.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
These trades were always rare, I don’t think anything has changed.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Right
they’re rare because you need the perfect storm of having a star player on a non-contender and top prospects on a top contender who are not already on the MLB team and are not playing in too low of a level as to be too far away from MLB to be predictable.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
yeah but
SD had some splainin’ to do to Corkys after that trade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98wkopvhyu8
I believe he was traded from Florida at some point as well, wasn't he?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Yeah, for that closer you said would get a GM fired:)
Traded by the Florida Marlins with Will Smith (minors) and Ryan Snare to the Texas Rangers for Ugueth Urbina.
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Hey, have we not all been a victim of hyperbole in our lives :P
Wow, so that’s how they got Urbina. At least they won a WS the season they did it, and Urbina helped. A power bat like Gonzalez would have been great, but I think the fans were happy with the ring they got.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The GM probably didn’t get fired because they won a world series that year. Just a guess on my part.
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Flags fly forever
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I guess I should let you know jsut how sarcastic my comment was on a scale of 1 – 10.
13
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Yeah I know, I just decided to answer you non jokingingly despite that, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
My Texas Rangers friend has not forgotten this trade.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Lasorda
Lasorda is a colorful character but in my opinion overrated as a manager and abysmal as a gm. Didn’t he also trade john Wettlund?
ha ha
also to the Reds, who then flipped him to the Expo’s before he ever pitched for them. Who knew the Reds were the Dodgers middle men.
I had no problem with that deal since I Eric Davis was a stud muffin.
November 27, 1991: Traded by the Los Angeles Dodgers with Tim Belcher to the Cincinnati Reds for Eric Davis and Kip Gross.
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had no idea Dodgers were that far behind when making that deal...
Thats worse than Pedro for Delino on a principle basis.
2 top prospects for a closer…when you are behind by 8-12 games?
dang that was bad.
Had he already signed his extension?
With Beltre at 3b and Karros at 1b…Konerko would have to play OF or be moved back to catcher.
This is all part of the Dodgers trying to find a closer
since the problems they had with Steve Howe.
For 20 years, the team was always on the lookout for a closer.
still
he could have gotten so much more
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
It wasn't until very recent history
that any GM considered a prospect more than just a very good but untested player.
Trading your number one prospect for a proven major leaguer was the norm or at least wasn’t frowned upon.
There were trades
Famously, Larry Anderson was dealt from Houston to Boston for a prospect named Jeff Bagwell.
I wouldn’t say it was an avalanche of trades but also you have to know that this was a time when the draft and the minor leagues were primarily covered by Baseball America with organization reports in the Sporting News. And outside of a Ken Griffey Jr or A-Rod, not a lot minor league guys were followed.
And teams were more willing to give up picks to sign free agents.
You have made this comment before. I do not believe history backs you up, just because the public did not cover the minor leagues does not mean top prospects were traded very often. I’m talking top prospects of which Paul Konerko was one. The Miggy Cabrerra / Maybin, Miller deals were as rare back then as they are today.
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So you’re saying I could have been a competent GM? Damn.
by Julio Nievas on Jul 5, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine the GM world was even more of an old boys club back then
by Josie Becker on Jul 5, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I lived it, and it was still a shocker to find out I forgot
If you thought it wasn’t in Ned Colletti’s DNA to be a seller, let me introduce you to interim GM Tommy Lasorda. With the team 12½ games out of the NL West, and eight games behind the wild card leader, Lasorda unloaded Paul Konerko, the number two prospect in baseball per Baseball America, and Dennys Reyes for the nearly 32-year old Shaw.
TBLA would have imploded and I’d have led the pitchforks.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
That better not happen when Baldwin is ranked that high :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Sometimes
it’s nice being too young to remember moments like this. Yes, 13 and female is too young to remember a bonehead trade of a prospect
You have to remember
that after the promises of Billy Ashley and the like, no one knew if Konerko’s numbers would translate to the majors. Plus, note that the Reds dealt Konerko to the White Sox.
no for sure. I shouldn’t have called it bonehead, that was reactionary cause I’m like “we could have had Konerko” but obvs. it’s not that simple
by Josie Becker on Jul 5, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It was bonehead simply because Jeff Shaw was involved. Craig is not going to be able to rationalize this in any other way, other then it was a bone head trade.
1. 12 1/2 games out
2. A closer with suspect peripherals (Guerrier)
3. For a top hitting power prospect.
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so if we traded Sands and Elbert for Jose Valverde today , it’d be close to the same deal?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Closer to Lee and Rubby for Valverde
Remember, Konerko was the second best prospect in all of baseball. Sands is arguably the 2nd best prospect on the team.
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say he said that
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I call things stupid that are stupid.
Dont care who said them…just care the content of what was said.
Then it's just cute, right? lol
From the new season of Futurama when the men get turned into chick versions of themselves:
“Now when I say stupid things guys laugh and buy me things.”
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
loved that one
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The new season's been really good so far
It’s just raunchier than ever, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The 12 1/2 games out makes it especially egregious
Shaw was a good reliever and yes, they did not expect Konerko to be a borderline Hall of Famer, but if they were making a run to the world series you could at least rationalize it a bit, even if mortgaging the future (or potentially doing so), if they were in the heart of contention it would make a bit of sense. But otherwise, it was pretty much a risky trade with not a lot of reason behind it.
Also gives me another reason to dislike Eric Karros.
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Have to admit when Eric said 12 1/2 games out I assumed he meant any playoff position. That does change things, but as MIke said, eight games, so still not very doable.
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Yah changes context slightly, but still a dumb trade.If they were desperate for bullpen help
I can assume (without remembering a ton about personnel that year) that other relievers could have been had for cheaper than the #2 prospect in baseball. Oh well…
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I accidentally translated your post into Swedish using Google translate
so I missed it.
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The next year he hit .219 for the Reds, with 3 home runs in 26 games, and they promptly sent him to the Chisox for Mike Cameron. It always amuses me how Tommy gets fried for the deal, but no one remembers that the Reds were just as boneheaded, if that’ s the word of the day.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Cameron turned out pretty good though, and was also then traded for KGJ
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Why? Mike Cameron for Konerko was an even deal. Some would say Cameron based on his defense has even been the better player.
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Simply pointing to the fact that it was the Reds, not the Dodgers, who sent him to Chicago.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That is not what you implied.
Tommy gets fried for the deal, but no one remembers that the Reds were just as boneheaded
The Reds were not boneheaded which is why they don’t get fried.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Fair enough, I had forgotten that the next year they packaged Cameron (and Brett Tomko!) in the Griffey deal.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A couple years ago I commented on that. WAR since that trade
Konerko: ~15
Cameron: ~45
Konerko suddenly resurrecting his career closed that gap but that was really one of the most lopsided WAR exchanges in recent memory.
@andrewngrant
Can’t really complain using WAR given the time frame. Cameron was one of the best center fielders of his generation.
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Just expected Paulie to be higher then that.
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Thanks to all
I honestly don’t remember Cameron blossoming until he got to Seattle, but clearly I was wrong. Thanks to all. Cool stuff.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Defense isn’t too great and he was a first baseman putting up a mid 800s OPS during the biggest offensive era in baseball.
@andrewngrant
sucks to be clean
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Most of that is from defense I'm guessing?
Konerko seems like he should’ve had more career value then that, but I could see Cameron being ahead of him even so simply because he played a vastly more valuable position, and for most of his career played it very well.
I’m wondering if Reyes alone did have have a higher career WAR since Mr. Shaw did not pitch long.
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Kinda doubt it
Reyes has been used as a situational left-hander through a chunk of his career (not quite a LOOGY), and Shaw actually still has about 120 IP on him. As for OPS+, Reyes is at 106 for his career, Shaw is at 120.
I did ask since the trade so it should not be as one sided as that. Still shockingly high WAR for Shaw given how few years he pitched and what he did.
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Sizable chunk of Shaw's career WAR
came from three seasons: ’96-98 he had a combined WAR of 9.9, with all but 1.1 of that coming with the Reds.
He's been on the DL twice
For injuries appearing longer than 15 days, yet has been back early both times. He’s not the best player in baseball for nothing. I dont know what coming back from injuries early has to do with that, but still, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
dear god mahay
just signed with the cardinals after posting a 10+ ERA for the dbacks. back to the scrap heap with you.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 5, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
Wasn't Lance Cormier's ERA with us higher?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
what would they trade for Kuo?
Have to believe if someone needs a lefty…they’ll take a chance on Kuo before anyone else.
What would a team trade for a pitcher
with anxiety issues and an elbow that has been operated on twice with two other arm operations. Plus if we kept him, he would be owed at least 2-3M next year.
Every player has risks but few have as many already evident ones like Kuo. If he can’t be used like he was last year and he is a LOOGY or perhaps a set up guy, he’s not worth a major prospect.
Kuo’s been awesome the last 2 years and he hasnt had a drop in velocity.
If I was taking a flyer on a guy…he’d be it.
you’re both right. But you don’t take fliers on guys by giving up your better prospects, and LOOGYs shouldn’t be paid what we’re going to owe him. That being said, next year, Kuo will be worth every cent of what we’ll pay him when he wins Comeback Player of the Year.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
they arent going to give up Shelby Miller..
But maybe a David Freese type of talent…obviously not David Freese (but the Cards got him for Edmonds) a few years ago.
Depends on how the league shapes out
I don’t expect Oliver Perez to win it. Hey, maybe Juan Uribe :D
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
when Broxton is gone and he closes for us because he’s got the most experience, he will.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Does anyone else have the feeling we'll let Broxton go then he'll become
His old self with some other team and be awesome again?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
yup
I don’t think i’ll regret it too much
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
not that I hate Broxton
but I think we have some guys who can replace him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
They didn’t make Jansen closer this year when Broxton got hurt, why would they next year if Kuo is back?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I’m not sure why.
But hopefully new mgmt realizes that Jansen is the best reliever on the Dodgers…and generally the best reliever gets the closers job.
And I think Jansen would have remained closer if not for the Astro game.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't signed Kazmir yet
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
OT
Just turned to look out my window and there was a hawk sitting on my deck, just staring at me. I feel like prey.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
point a gun at it
that’ll show’em
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically…yeah, that’s it. More light brown.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
ha, my wife and I have a little disagreement about our hawk. I like him buzzing our birds and taking one, once in a while, she gets all defensive about her birds and runs around in the backyard screaming at him instead of enjoying his athletic skills.
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This would not be foreign behavior at my house, especially since what we now call “the incident.”
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
by your birds do you mean literally your pet birds, or birds that hang in your yard/property?
I would mind the former a bit more…
I do like having hawks around here, too though, since they pick off gophers and mice (and also those asshole birds, starlings, saw a hawk take one of those other day and cheered it on).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I do not have an aviary.
We however have no less then eight bird feeders.
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we have 3 bird feeders, but the consistent presence of at least one of our cats (during the daytime hours only)
for some reason scares the birds off from feeding… ;)
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My wife says I’m exaggerating, we only have four, the other two are squirrel feeders.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
They’re all squirrel feeders, eventually.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
At lunch at Pee Wee’s Famous Hot Dogs in Huntington Beach today. Chicken sausage was out, so I got a spicy Polish sausage, and my decision to add a habañero hot sauce made my lips burn for a solid 20 minutes afterward.
Over 100 baseball centric comments and then our managing editor shows up. Must be on vacation or something.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
but was it GOOD?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Kazaam!
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jul 5, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No matter how bad your day is going
It’s likely going much better than this dude last week in Minnesota at a Twins game.
That was no man
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Jeezus, he has to be well under the legal drinking age
nice parenting there.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
without madd mothers there would fewer of you reading TBLA
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I have heard it alleged that MADD
is no longer so much anti drunk driving as anti alchohol.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I would be okay with a world where men did not drink but woman drank all the time.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Trying to bring them back down to our intelligence level. It’s brilliant!
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Start it at 6:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEuMYy-0TeQ
I wish I could have found a smaller clip with just that, but still hilarious none the less.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Tell me about it
I’m blocked for everything, even if it has to do with work some times. While I see some coworkers being able to go on fb and other crap.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The best news! lol
I’d post it to my fb so you could see it, but honestly I doubt it’s worth more than a quick link in response to what you said, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
i wouldn’t be able to open it from FB though. Our computers are funny
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I think you could just hit play, but then again might be the same problem
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
maybe
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yes
Yahoo is reporting that we signed him to a minor league deal.
Someone has to replace Ely or Eveland when we put Lilly on the DL or trade Kuroda:) Snell ain’t cutting it.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
We should just trade for Mark Reynolds and be done with it.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
hasn't he
been hitting better lately?
(hot streak)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
20 dingers
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yeah. dude has like a .870 OPS with 20 bombs. I almost said Adam Jones but even he’s got 13 bombs and is hitting well. Course, Camden Yards is a friggin bandbox.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Reynolds can hit them out anywhere
only thing is, he has to hit them.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
if dude is putting up an .870 OPS
I don’t care if he Ks every other time, its still an .870 OPS.
so will you join
the Kyle Russell bandwagon? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Our legion grows
muahahahaha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Hell yea
if Russell can be Mark Reynolds and a plus defensive RF, then sign me up as a believer.
I have severe doubts that he'll ever be that
just saying that if he was, I’d take that every day of the week.
Looks like
career minor leaguer. 31yo with 110 IP career in the majors between ’03 and ’09, most recently with Seattle. Had an okay (if extremely fluky) season for Seattle in ’08.
He’s the brother of Tim Corcoran, who has been in our minor league system for a few years.
by Lincoln Kupchak on Jul 5, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson going apeshit on a cooler is (greater than/equal to/lesser than) Andre Etheir going apeshit on a cooler
It's up there, but I would much prefer video of his beard catching on fire.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Greater than, he’s taking refreshing hydration from guys that have to work more than 7 minutes a night.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 5, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just assumed you were talking about the mentally unstable Brian Wilson and could not imagine him going apeshit on a cooler.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
If Brian Wilson was my closer, I would be just fine with this.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean if we had a closer with 24 saves this year and showing the kind of dominance he did last year, I would be just fine with him being upset about not closing out the game.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
and the children
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Wilson’s peripherals went in the tank this year. I’m waiting for a Broxtonian collapse that takes the Giants out of the playoffs.
@andrewngrant
wasn't his assault on quenching thirst
because he’d just blown his second straight save?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
he did blow his last two saves...
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yikes his so to walk is less then half what it was last year
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Oh, I agree he is not the same as last year, but a Broxton fall would be a big one.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
as any Broxton fall would be
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
And I am not one to say “grit matters” but I would not have mind seeing Broxton beat up a water cooler after the double to Rollins. Not saying it would be necessary, but it would have been nice.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? Taking it like a man means less to you then acting like a child?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
It’s the same as everyone who said they can see the apathy in his eyes.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I don’t see that as acting like a child. If he did it every time then yes, but it is healthy to let out some stress and anger.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
he doesn’t have to let it out in public though. Whether he did or didn’t let off steam, and how he chose to do it, doesn’t affect his place on the team.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Never said it did. Never said it was necessary. Just said I wouldn’t mind seeing it.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a bloody tantrum
is an emotional outburst, usually associated with children or those in emotional distress, that is typically characterized by stubbornness, crying, screaming, yelling, shrieking, defiance, angry ranting, a resistance to attempts at pacification and, in some cases, violence.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I am just choosing to not respond to this anymore since I think we are not connecting via the lack of tone on the Internet.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s got nothing to do with tone and everything to with you wanting to see a grown man show some emotion to validate that he was actually trying and would try really really hard next time.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Except that is not what I said, and you are trying to assume that I want this in my player. I said I would be okay with it…
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you be okay with that out of a guy on the Lakers (assuming you like the Lakers or basketball for that matter)? I’ve never understood why people tolerate this behaviour from baseball players while there is no way it would be tolerated in any other sport or in normal day to day life.
I was really hoping Kobe would jump up and chew off the net when the Lakers lost to the Mavs.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
It is a comment like this that makes me know we are not communicating right in this venue.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Its all the Internets fault
gotcha
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Okay seriously folks, when did acting like a jackass become the norm. I’m outta here
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you are overreacting by several orders of magnitude
but I’m sorry if I have hurt your feelings
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
For a while it seems
Gotta be thick skinned
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Was this a tantrum?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Exactly the kind of comment I expected.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ha ha
Come on, when did you stop being fun?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much, but I really think you guys have pegged me as the fan that blatantly says he “looks scared” or “his face told it all”. I really wasn’t trying to say that and it just took off in the wrong direction….and this is why I said this kind of venue can be difficult to express this stuff. If we were sitting at the game, this would have been resolved in 2 minutes with no snarky comments.
Net net: I understand why Brian Wilson exhibited this emotion, and I would not have been surprised if Broxton had done it during some of the horrible games. If it is consistent behavior, I think it is a problem, but I understand them expressing this type of frustration on occasion.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And all I was really trying to say is that if he wants to beat up a trash can, do it in the clubhouse.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
That is fair. And my original comment was sarcastic in the sense of….if we had a closer that was getting it done, I would not mind it if he did this after blowing his second save in a row.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Hence the crap of typing. Change “it would have been nice” to “I would have understood”
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Shocking how weak CF have been
since Matt Kemp become our full time CF. – at least 500 games
Player WAR/pos G From To Age PA 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
Carlos Beltran 21.0 533 2007 2011 30-34 2304 130 14 89 354 281 341 .284 .371 .498 .869 *8/9D
Matt Kemp 17.4 660 2007 2011 22-26 2662 118 25 104 372 212 603 .292 .349 .491 .840 *89/D
Shane Victorino 14.7 648 2007 2011 26-30 2781 132 43 63 269 222 312 .284 .349 .446 .796 *89
Cody Ross 8.9 582 2007 2011 26-30 2126 129 9 78 292 152 453 .273 .333 .470 .803 *89/71D
Michael Bourn 8.8 625 2007 2011 24-28 2305 86 32 12 134 203 448 .268 .335 .358 .693 *8/79
Nate McLouth 8.2 565 2007 2011 25-29 2188 117 10 68 238 237 362 .252 .346 .434 .780 *8/79
Chris Young 7.8 684 2007 2011 23-27 2863 156 16 112 333 272 654 .243 .318 .449 .767 *8
Aaron Rowand 6.9 630 2007 2011 29-33 2441 141 5 68 272 146 502 .270 .332 .431 .763 *8/7D9
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 7/5/2011.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Media says Bourn is available, my head says negative, my heart says Bourn and Dee 1-2 would be 2003 Marlins.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Michael Bourn is like Juan Pierre with good defense, some plate discipline and doesn’t get caught stealing all the damn time.
So nothing like Juan Pierre.
@andrewngrant
How much different is Bourne then TGJ? All in on base?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
+1
Given how great TGJ is as a defensive player, if he could put up a .350 OBP and steal even 20-30 bags/year, I’d be all for him in CF, especially after that list of “elite” CFs you just posted.
In fairness
Juan Pierre circa ’03 was pretty damn good. I imagine if Juan put up a .360 OBP for the Dodgers most of us who were complaining about him would have loved him.
Jamey Carroll is certainly Luis Castilla, both have the power of a Queen in Canada and couldn’t drive in a run if their life depended on it.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
meercat sir
hast thou gone sour on yon Gamer?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 5, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
just realistic as to his weaknesses
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
'03 he was barely a 50% base stealer
but he still posted a .381 OBP. I’d take that. Couple of him in front of Dre and Kemp and our offensive woes vanish pretty quick.
Suck it everyone but Beltran!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Actually including Beltran
given that Carlos can’t even play center anymore. Not to mention he missed most of the last two seasons.
went on ESPN LA.com
and there’s a big old black and white head shot of Vin. I gotta say, scared me for a second.
Does sound like something you'd expect to see
for the header of an obit article.
Since our Hollywood drinkery was closed
may I suggest Dillon’s for next time? Right off the Hollywood and Vine Red Line station
What was closed? The huge place that had room for 500 yet only 50 at most were there?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Wouldn’t shock me if that was true.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Yes it is closed.
I walked by it (ok more like stumbled) going from one bar to the next.
Normal, but I am part of the lazy generation and my skin is too sensitive for every day
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Normal, shaving everyday is for transvestites.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Was that Anger Management, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I usually go with the razor once every week and a half
But I think that’s lazy on my part, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
iidown wonders why he raised pussies who don’t shave with straight razors and leather straps.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
He also wonders why people stopped walking up hill both ways in the snow
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
What is walking up hills both ways mean? Doesn’t one of the ways have to be downhill?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
x
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
by nolander on Jul 5, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ivdown made a joke? I hate it when the posters go out of character.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Don't worry, I stole it from iii
So it’s technically not my joke
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I'm in this boat
I can, but it’s short hair and it sucks :(
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
clarify
i clean up the neck. sometimes i’ll beard trim it. But actually shaving with a razor and shaving cream is too much fucking work to do more than once a week.
and yes, I have a beard going right now and it’s been about 2 weeks.
TBLA men are a scruffy bunch based on this info. Eric Stephen will be glad to know his minions respect his approach to shaving.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
growing facial is probably the most manliest thing i can do
so i do it often to make up for my lack of other manly things.
Just shaved all of mine off and 2 of my kickball leagues went into shock, I have been instructed to regrow it in one league.
Shave Wednesday, got the good day and a half scruff on Friday night.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
LA traffic sucks balls
RT @NewYorkMets: Mets Tuesday lineup at LA: Pagan-CF, Turner-2B, Beltran-RF, Paulino-C, Bay-LF, Murphy-3B, Tejada-SS, Duda-1B, Pelfrey-RHP
by Eric Stephen on Jul 5, 2011 3:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
maybe its one of those old school veterany moves..
“Gotta bring in Mike Cameron to teach LoMo & Stanton how to win”
Dewayne "Perfect Game Saving" Wise to you!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
why give up on Coglan?
They arent making the playoffs this year anyway.
Bringing in Cameron seems pointless.
really espn? Not to be mean but... thats some face the gal on the right is making
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
So sad picture...
Just because at the middle of the picture, it’s a French woman player… :(
They lost 4-2 today against Germany :(
"Oh ville lumière, sens la chaleur de notre coeur, vois-tu notre ferveur quand nous marchons près de toi. Dans cette conquête, chasser l'ennemi, enfin pour que nos couleurs brillent encore..."
"Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap) et nous chantons en choeur (clap clap clap clap). Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap), fidèles à nos couleurs (clap clap clap clap). Lololo lololo, lololo lololo"
Kiss my Aul[ass], hahaha
womens soccer players
Used to be quite attractive, at least when i was in high school.
Soccer, and volleyball.
Not so much track, softball, or basketball.
Who on the Dodgers has a beer belly?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
so do shrimpy millionaire agents, what does that have to do with the price of gas?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
The agents didnt get the babes until they got rich.
Pro Golfers have had the babes all along, starting at the beginning even when they are struggling to even get their tour cards.
I am trying to figure out if the original comment related to personal observation
of his high school classmates or to whomever was participating in those sports at that time. While attractive can be subjective, there are no doubt a number of attractive women athletes who participate in track, softball and basketball both in the U.S. and internationally.
give it a rest
There’s no need to disect every one of my comments and politically correct everything.
Is Michael White
gonna have to choke a b***?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
And the first day back to work after a 3 day weekend?
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we’re starting to go too far with overanalyzing generalities and mistaking them for blanket statements.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Mhmm
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I’d hate to make a statement like “A lot of pitchers who throw left-handed don’t throw very hard” and then have to go qualify that with “except for” and list every fucking lefty who ever touched 95 once just so I didn’t get beaten down and my point ignored.s
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
g scott is just bitter about it
:-p
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
G Scott just wants to say that pitchers in the 60’s did not throw as hard as pitchers in the 21st century because track athletes can run faster even though he can’t prove it.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I’m actually trying to find the several pieces that said that. We’ve become better athletes and more physically apt in the last 15 years than ever before in recorded history. Fastball velocity is just part of that. You’ll have your Bob Fellers and such, but as a general rule, the fastballs Babe Ruth hit and the fastballs Hank Aaron hit and the fastballs Barry Bonds hit were all different speeds. (Hyperbole Alert) Hell, Walter “Big Train” Johnson could have wowed the crowd by making the seams on the ball whip through the air at 85 mph and been the hardest thrower of his generation.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
keith olberman had a blog post at some point
where he dug up some old photo or video of some pitcher from the early 1900s and showed that they had a traditional power pitcher windup.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
found it
Christy Mathewson had Tom Seaver’s delivery.
http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/2009/08/05/the-greatest-cooperstown-find-updated/
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
that’s what I mean, it sucks having to do that just to cover your ass.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I’m all for being proven wrong, it’s just a different type of learning. But, going back to my prior example, when I say “lefties don’t throw very hard and that means they have to have better offspeed pitches and control to get by” and you come back with “Nuh uh, Look at Randy Johnson”, you’ve ignored my point and taken an outlier to disprove it.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
That's one of the 'fun' things about the internet
Everyone is out to prove you wrong with anything you say.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
maybe
But i dont know if its pc or what…but general comments should be ok imo.
We all know there are exceptions to every rule, but if we’re to limit our speech as to not offend anyone…then whats their left to discuss?
underwater basket weaving
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The sport of kings!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
you should limit your speech to not offend anyone. You shouldn’t have to find every example and outlier that makes up the 1-5% of whatever group you are generalizing so your point won’t get ignored.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Unless you are making a stupid point
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
that can’t be backed up by anything other then an opinion.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
in the grand scheme of things
everything is stupid
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Politicians
often share the combination of massive ego and a sense of doing something for the community. With that comes a confidence that can be attractive despite their physical appearance.
Hey
softball pitchers are often very attractive
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i have a theory on that...
And i agree…the one’s I see on ESPN are usually pretty hot.
But I think they doll themselves up (the pitchers) when they know they’ll be on TV that day.
Theory! : Women who wear makeup do it to feel more confident in themselves, higher confidence means more adrenaline and a better performance, therefore makeup is a PED.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
From what i've seen they are the only ones, haha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Phact
they do not play 1st base or catcher
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Hmmm, maybe I need to watch more games
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
havent played in years
throwing a softball just kills my arm.
i was on a coed team in college with girls that worked at hooters and probably the stationary positions 3b, C, 1b werent as talented as OF and SS. So probably true.
Just for blogger night
BillShaikin tweets
Aaron Miles batting third tonight for #Dodgers. Ethier not in lineup.
Even Aaron Miles is surprised
Per Dylan Hernandez:
Aaron Miles on batting third: “Surprisingly, it’s not high school.” #Dodgers
Yikes
Gwynn 7, Furcal 6, Miles 4, Kemp 8, Loney 3, Uribe 5, Oeltjen 9, Ellis 2, Lilly 1
Aaron Miles batting 3rd?
How’d you do that? Heck, I’m not even mad; that’s amazing
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Gwynn at the top is drawing my Juan Pierre hate vibe.
I know their salaries are way different…but i hated the player more than the salary.
TGJ is my second favorite player in this lineup.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
he is opsing around 750 since he took over from sands
SSS of course(around 80 PAs)
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
for the year
he’s at 242/301/320…
Dont think you can expect much more from him than that going by his career.
So regardless of what his OPS is from a certain date…it’ll very likely normalize.
Is that the Jamie Moyer defense that Reg abhors?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
It will
but right now I’m not going to be angry about a guy who is hitting well recently batting near the top of the order.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Well we already knew that
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I discussed it quietly to myself, if that counts. And quietly applauded.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Nah, he’s now our 9th inning pinch hitter so he can’t start. Donny considers it a promotion.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I remember Plaschke's article
before 2008 season which argued Pierre should start ahead of Ethier because Ethier would be the better late game pinch hitter.
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Headed out to the game shortly
Hope to see a few of you there! Lineups kind of suck though. A rare occurrence where we have an offensive advantage at 1B. And probably a fairly decent sized one considering splits and all. I think we got this!
vr, Xei
Commercial Outakes, Pt 1
Scene: Elderly couple enjoying the splendor of the Grand Canyon on their Hoverounds, when…
`Honey, the button’s stuuuu……!’
(heard in background) `Understudy!’
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jul 5, 2011 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
Home Run Derby Participants
AL: David Ortiz, Adrian Gonzalez, Jose Bautista and Robinson Cano
NL: Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, Matt Holliday and Matt Kemp
Richie Weeks and Robinson Cano………
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instead of braun and texeira
maybe its a BP thing
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Weeks? That seems like not the best choice with only 14 hr, but whatever I suppose
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
gordon gets the trifecta!
Following a lengthy debate, official scorer Ed Munson has changed a seventh-inning fielder’s choice from last Friday night’s game in Anaheim to a stolen base for Dee Gordon. The scoring change gives Gordon nine steals on the season and makes him the first Dodger since Harvey Hendrick on June 12, 1928 to steal second, third and home in the same inning. The last Major Leaguer to accomplish the feat was Jayson Werth, who did so on May 12, 2009 vs. the Dodgers at Citizens Bank Park.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yes! Victory!!!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Was curious how he faired in the small sample size ISO leader boards, but sadly this is only the 32nd highest ISO ever (min 39 PA).
Number three is Barry in 2001.
@andrewngrant
Trivia that no one will possibly get: who is the Dodgers all time leader in ISO (min 39 PA).
@andrewngrant
must be someone with exactly 39 plate appearances.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Did you mention this was for single season?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
He was cool. Last played in the majors in 1995 until the Dodgers brought him in 2000, due to his 1.100 OPS for the Dukes
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
With Aaron Miles batting 3rd we have officially entered 2005 territory.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
With Navarro playing the Philips role, it is just a matter of days until Dionar Navarro plays some 1st base.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
looking back at 2005..
The killers were losing Milton Bradley & JD Drew to injury.
Bradley only 75 games – 290/350/484
Drew only 72 games – 286/412/520
If those two had stayed healthy (big if)..team probably finishes around 500, which would have been close to the playoffs (pythagorean record was 74-88)
I totally forgot Werth being lost for that season too with a broken wrist…2005 was really a cursed season.
I remember being excited about Werth, Bradley, Drew, Choi, Kent,
The much anticipated blogger night walk up of 10,000 fans just turned their cars around and headed for home. You can only chant Aussie Aussie Aussie so many times before it gets stuck in your throat like sour milk. This is truly the sorriest lineup the Dodgers have put on the field in six years.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Dodgers vs Rockies, July 5, 2005
Oscar Robles SS
Jason Repko CF
Jeff Kent 2B
Olmedo Saenz 1B
Jayson Werth RF
Jason Phillips C
Mike Edwards 3B
Chin-Feng Chen LF
Odalis Perez P
As bad of 2005 was..
The team was still somewhat in the race into September.
On September 15th, Dodgers were 67-79 and 5.5 games out.
2nd place in NL West.
But they finished the year 4-12 and wound up 11 games out.
All that needs to be known about the '05 team
is that they won 71 games, after starting the season 12-2.
It would take a lot for this season to come close to comparing to that.
I believe Aaron Miles should tell Ned Colletti that he deserves a 4 year/$20 million deal.
If you’re batting 3rd for a team, its clear the team thinks you are its best hitter.
Did Natalie Portman getting pregnant ruin my chances of getting with her?
Oh it was never going to happen anyways? Dang.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I could pretend
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
she doesn't have to know
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Change your name
to Nathan Nolanderstein and you’re in, man.
He's not being traded anyway
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
free eovaldi!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Dodgers knew his shoulders were going to be in shambles, and signed him anyway in the hopes that it could last throughout a season. That’s the gamble they took.
Where was it determined that his shoulder was in shambles, btw?
It was a slight gamble but we’re talking about the guy who is known around the league as an “innings eater” and was consistently up there in innings pitched.
Also, from the LA Times article when they signed him:
Garland, 31, signed a one-year deal that is guaranteed for $5 million and can earn an additional $3 million in incentives based on the number of innings he pitches. The contract includes an $8-million club option for 2012 that vests if Garland reaches 190 innings, something the innings-eating right-hander has done in all nine seasons as a full-time starter.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I want to play bingo for money!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
they where likely watered down
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I can’t can’t imagine being in Vegas and choosing to play Bingo as my source of entertainment but whatever floats the boat.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
What’s the difference between Bingo and Keno other than you have to kinda pay attention to bingo.
@andrewngrant
Never played Keno, don’t know.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Keno
you pick numbers that have to be drawn by the machine, computer whatever. Bingo, you get random cards and they call out the numbers, you can play a lot of cards at one time.
I’ve seen the crazy action on Bingo. I’m sure it would be fun and I’m not knocking Bingo, just not on my list of things to do while in Vegas. I basically spend my whole time in the sports book.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Last few trips
go to Sportsbook make some bets. Go to poker room, play some cash games, win some money, play a late night tournament (small, less than 70-80 players) finish in the money, then I decide not to lose and I don’t play anymore.
I spend most of my time losing money at blackjack and downing obscene amounts of vodka and red bulls.
How come some of you are not dead
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Based on my experience
either there was no one in that casino or they have a lot of cocktail waitresses because I have never seen a waitress stop by more than 3 times in a hour.
i cant vodka and red bull it all night anymore
the next day my heart feels like it’s going to explode.
Wait
“fish fries” was one thing, and not a lack of a comma? Are they like fish sticks?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Get your self a deep frier, some flour, and a big ol pile of fish. Brother, you’ve got yourself a fish fry.
@andrewngrant
A typical fish fry
battered or breaded fried fish, french fries, coleslaw, hushpuppies, lemon slices, tartar sauce, malt vinegar and dessert.
But they are held by community organizations and churches (famously on Fridays).
no booze though!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Lets replace loney with guys that suck even more then him?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Wouldn’t hurt to have Mitchell up, because he could play either corner. Sure he stunk in his brief callups, but that was mostly due to low BABIP.
If Thames cant play 1st base when a left hander pitches…then he should be DFA’ed and MItchell called up.
I would've called up Mitchell instead of Velez so you're preaching to the choir
and in the case that he can play 1st as well as 3rd makes him more valuable right now. In short {shrugs shoulders}
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this news is shocking...
to no one
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I think one person is shocked
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Meh, I think he is what he is. One of the best AAA firstbasemen. Nothing wrong with that. He is not horrible by AAA standards.
Was that me?
I know I liked him a lot last year, but reality set in.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Weird. I thought we had made the playoffs that year or the next with Jeff Shaw..
memory is messed up I guess. Guess that trade was even worse than I thought.
But he was a good closer for us for a couple years. Whoopee!
Shocking news number 283 today
Russ Ortiz was allowed to start a major league game
He’s down 3 – 0 in the 1st
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
so who is the big russ ortiz fan?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Shocking news number 284 today
Brandon Wood has hit his 4th home run
The Pirates could be within 1/2 game of 1st place by the end of the evening.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
You really have to be terrible
for a .579 OPS (going into tonight) to represent your career high.
More discounts, good thing Russell Martin isn't here, a $55 ticket wouldn't be much of a discount
DODGERS ANNOUNCE 48-HOUR $5 RESERVE LEVEL TICKET SALE FOR ANDRE ETHIER BOBBLEHEAD NIGHT THIS THURSDAY
In recognition of All-Stars Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw, $22 Loge Level, $22 All-You-Can-Eat Right Field Pavilion and $27 Field Level seats will be also offered
LOS ANGELES – The Dodgers announced today a 48-hour $5 sale on Reserve Level tickets to this Thursday’s game (7:10 p.m. vs. NYM) featuring Andre Ethier Throwback Bobbleheads presented by San Manuel Indian Bingo & Casino. This sale is being held as Ethier competes for a chance to reach the All-Star Game in his hometown of Phoenix in the "Final Vote."
Teammates Kemp, who will start in center field for the National League, and Kershaw have already been selected to the NL All-Star Team and in celebration, the Dodgers are offering $22 Loge Level, $22 All-You-Can-Eat Right Field Pavilion and $27 Field Level seats for Thursday’s bobblehead night.
Ethier has been among the National League’s top hitters all season long as he currently ranks seventh in the NL with a .317 batting average and has seven homers and 41 RBI. He posted a Major League season-long 30-game hitting streak earlier this season, the second-longest streak in Dodger history. Fans can vote at dodgers.com and MLB.com or for a simple text vote on behalf of Ethier, text N1 to 89269.
Dodger fans can partake in the 48-hour sale by visiting dodgers.com/ethier.
why would you wait to walk up if the sale is online for the next 2 days?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
“yo pops, i’ll give you 22 dollars if you use your credit card to buy me this sweet loge seat”
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
hipster
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
being solvent is too mainstream
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I thought we decided it was Blake DeWitt
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing official. In my mind, that’s who I thought it was.
by Michael White on Jul 5, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If you could banish one ESPN personality (and only one) from ever being involved in sports again, who would it be?
Not just baseball, any sport. Any position.
My vote goes to Rick Reilly.
Rick Reilly is the LOOGY of the sports world. He's really good at one thing and should never be used in any other situation
I banish Jim Rome.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Rome can be pretty entertaining some times.
I don’t see anything redeeming about Skip Bayless.
@andrewngrant
You just made me regret my choice.
/end discussion, reg wins
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Wow
for someone who has not been with ESPN that long but long time sports writer (worked for LA Times), that is surprising given the vastness that is ESPN.
He’s been there three years now. That’s a pretty good sample size.
Plus, have you ever seen him host SportsCenter? Or do anything on screen?
I liked his columns in the back of SI
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Chris Berman
his shtick is beyond old and obnoxious.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Ribs
I ate here yesterday and the ribs changed my life.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 5, 2011 5:00 PM PDT reply actions
Jonathan Garcia question
in the last 10 years, which teenagers have played in the Midwest have had an ISOd of .250 or greater?
That’s kind of unreal right now.
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