Mad Men gone Wild
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 6, 2011 9:22 AM PDT
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It is time, we don't got this, for the first time in Ned's tenure his team is hopelessly out before the all-star game. Not only is the the team double digits behind in both the Division and Wild Card races but the lineup we are using is now comic relief for Dodger fans who are in no mood for laughter.
I don't think Ned is built for this tricky endeavor, I have doubts he can extricate even one useful part for the future. Will his heart even be in this, it is tough enough to keep your job when new ownership comes in, it is even tougher when you try to sell new ownersship on your resume with a lottery team on your shoulders. The 2008/2009 NLCS teams are long gone, and by my most accounts they lied squarely on Manny's shoulders. Ned has to do the right thing and plan for the Dodgers future even if his future may not be part of it. He might get lucky, somehow Frank might survive but the odds are against it. Even if Frank does survive does he really want Ned to be his GM in 2012? Frank could have used a winning team in 2011 to help sell tickets, instead he got this. An injury riddled team that can't even stay in the hunt when it's star player is putting up a MVP season. It is simply scary how bad this team is, if Matt Kemp is not in the picture.
If we go into selling mode, by the deadline the players you might expect to get dealt would be Hiroki Kuroda, Furcal, Carroll, Miles, Blake, Gwynn, Thames, Hawksworth. Possibly Kuo if he starts to show anything. If you want to upgrade the package coming back, some prospects might be headed out.
Of those players we might be selling, our only real chance to net something worthwhile is Kuroda. He might bring back a top 50 prospect - someone from 20 - 50. Combining Furcal and Kuroda in the same deal should make that a real possibility. We like to think that Furcal is valuable but is he? A healthy Casey Blake would probably have been in demand as several teams could have used upgrades at 3rd base. Hawksworth is the only relief pitcher that would seem to be worthwhile that we want to trade. I don't want to move Jansen, doubt if anyone is interested in our kid relief pitchers for their stretch run.
What are our needs? With Garland down, does the team try to get a major league ready arm that the contenders are nervous about using in the stretch run? You have to think the team is ready to go with Dee Gordon at SS, Kemp in CF, and Andre in RF. That leaves holes at LF, 1st base, 2nd base, catcher, and 3rd base as we look toward 2012. Jerry Sands might fill 1st or LF, Trayvon might fill LF but that would be a reach to have both of them in the lineup in 2012. DeJesus is a utility man not a starting 2nd baseman. We have no 3rd baseman ready for 2012. So basically Uribe is either our 2nd baseman or 3rd baseman. We have no catcher ready, though I think Griff could be useful by 2013. We have plenty of strong arms for both the rotation and bullpen. I wouldn't mind adding that major league ready arm right now because we can always flip him for a hitter if the AA boys prove to be ready sooner then later.
We might fill just one of those holes with these deals. 1st/2nd/3rd/Catcher seem the most glaring. To be honest I'll be shocked if we do anything in this period that significantly alters the team for 2012. Yet you never know.
| Selling Targets |
| Division | Team | Needs | Possible Targets | Possible Coveted Players | |
| NL West |
Giants | SS, 2nd base | Furcal, Carroll, Uribe |
Gary Brown(OF), Zach Wheeler(SP) - They know Uribe, we would get nothing back but salary relief, Carroll would help everywhere but we'd get back someone no one has heard of or we'd care about. Furcal has to be the most intriguing for them but enough to net one of their top prospects? Doubtful. Heck I might be happy to get Nate Schierholtz, who they would probably would be happy to trade to make room for Belt. I will be disappointed if we trade with the Giants, they don't really much I'm interested in compared to other teams. And they are the Giants. |
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| NL West |
Diamondbacks | SP / RP |
Kuroda / Hawksworth |
Paul Goldschmidt(1st), Tyler Skaggs(SP), Jarrod Parker(SP), Collin Cowgil(OF) , Brandon Allen(1st) - Kuroda gives them a big three.They never expected to be in this position, will they go all in? They could could greatly improve their team without touching the current major league roster. Lots to like here, they need Kuroda, they don't want the Rockies to get him. |
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| NL West |
Rockies | SP / RP / 3rd |
Kuroda / Blake / Carroll / Hawksworth | Dexter Fowler(CF), Juan Nicasio(SP), Wilin Rosario(C), Rex Brothers(RP), Charles Blackmon(OF), Chris Nelson(2nd) - lots to like here, they need Kuroda, they don't want Arizona to get him. |
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| NL Central |
Cardinals |
2nd / SS | Carroll / Furcal | Carlos Martinez (SP), Zack Cox(3rd), Lance Lynn(SP), Eduardo Sanchez(RP) |
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| NL Central | Reds | SS / SP / RP | Furcal / Carroll / Kuroda / Hawksworth | Travis Wood, Juan Francisco(3rd/OF), Todd Frazier(Inf), Yonder Alonso(1st), Yazmani Grandal(C), Daryl Thomspon(SP), Sam LeCure(SP) - They could use everything we are selling. |
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| NL Central | Brewers | SS / 3rd /SP |
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Matt Gamel (1st), is about the only thing the Brewers have of interest, yet how could they trade him knowing Prince is leaving as a Free Agent? And he's not even that interesting. |
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| NL East | Braves | Insurance at 3rd |
Blake | We'd all love Beachy or Minor or Freeman or Teheran but this team does not Kuroda. They really don't need anything from us. |
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| NL East | Phillies | Nothing we have | We could trade Andre for Dominic Brown:) |
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| AL West | Rangers | SP / RP | Kuroda / Hawksworth | Robbie Erlin(SP), Martin Perez(SP), Jurickson Profar(SS), Tanner Scheppers(RP), Chris Davis(1st,3rd, OF), Michael Olt, Julio Borbon(CF) - Lot to like here, I'm sure Erlin and Perez would be off the table. |
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| AL West | Angels | SP / RP | Kuroda / Hawksworth | Garrett Richards,SP) Jean Segura (Inf), Trevor Reckling(P) - Will the Angels go with Chatwood all year now that Kazmir is gone? Think of the rotation if they add Kuroda? |
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| AL West | Mariners | 3rd / SP /RP | Carroll / Kuroda / Hawksworth | Nick Franklin(SS), Taijuan Walker(SP), Carlos Truinfel(3rd) - shockingly the Mariners are in the race, they need hitting more then pitching. We don't really matchup other then Kuroda would probably be very comfortable pitching for them. He is better then the back end of the rotation but will it matter if they still can't score runs? |
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| AL Central | Indians |
SP / RP / Infield / OF | Blake, Carroll, Kuroda, Hawksworth | I don't see a team like the Indians trading the future. Might be able to get a Cord Phelps or LaPorta.but no way they are giving up Chinsenhall or Kipinis for a hail mary with that pitching staff. Then again they owe us, it would be nice to screw them but the GM has so many wins on his trading belt when making small deals, two huge misses when making big deals (CC and Cliff Lee). |
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| AL Central | WhiteSox |
3rd | Blake, Carroll, | I'd like Dayan Viciedo but they are not going to move him for those guys. Best we could hope for would be Mark Teahen. To bad they don't need Kuroda. |
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| AL Central | Tigers |
2nd/3rd/SP | Kuroda / Furcal / Carroll | They really need Kuroda, they could also move Peralta to 3rd if they got Furcal for SS. Nick Castellanos would fit the bill but he's far away. Andrew Oliver(SP). |
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| AL East | Yankees |
SP | Kuroda | Banuelos or Betances worth the insurance? Doubtful. Austin Romine might be. Yankee's have no one less then 24 on their roster this year. |
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| Al East | Red Sox |
Nothing we have | |||
You may wonder why the Pirates are not on the list. After giving them Paul and McDonald for nothing, it seems painful to think they are in the hunt and we are in last place. Would anyone agree to go to the Pirates knowing they are pretenders not contenders? Doubtful. I'm skipping them in this exercise even as I wish them luck in their endeavor to have a meaningful 2nd half. If you don't think trading McDonald for Dotel was the high point of pointlessness, you will need to be reminded that only if Ned gets incredibly lucky will he come close to bringing back the same talent as James McDonald when he goes into sell mode. He's a solid part of rotation that has been good enough to stay within 2 games of 1st place after half a season has been played. I think it is safe to say in hindsight that James McDonald would have been the best option for the spot we paid 5 Milllion to Jon Garland for.
This was just my glimpse into what the contenders have that might be interesting to Ned. Who do you think these players get traded to, and for whom?
Have it at, this title was for you.
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Have it at, this title was for you.
Spelling errors aside : ) I was thinking, while reading your piece on who we can trade and what teams would like them, that this read more like the crop report and the price of pork bellies than anything on Mad Men. You know that show is about designing advertising, right? : )
Etheir and Kemp aren't being traded
anyone complaining about either of them not being traded at this juncture is a nincompoop. Even Humma, hell, especially Humma.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
by nolander on Jul 6, 2011 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I never advocated trading Kemp.
He is my favorite player. And the Fave Five thread will back me up!
I kicked around, and maybe advocated, trading Ethier, but not before the season began. Even if I did advocate it, and I might have, I admit that trading him is risky, difficult, comes down to timing, and requires a partner who sees his value.
That said, it is most assured that I am a nincompoop.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
There are more reasons to trade Ethier than there are to keep him.
The Dodgers have many OF options present and Impending.
The Dodgers have very few infield options.
Ethier is one of the few players who would demand a sizable trade package.
The Dodgers might not be able to resign Ethier, nor is it obvious that they should.
To me it is obviously in the Dodger’s best interests to trade Ethier prior to the 2012 deadline for a package built around a good infielder. That doesn’t mean they have to trade him now, but I other than bad PR for McCourt, there is no reason not to trade him now.
In the end
Rubby was the best player for Garland’s spot. I would love to have McDonald in Lilly’s spot though, if not just because he is cheaper
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Point?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I never said it was
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Kuroda and Furcal
to Reds for Devin Mesoraco and a B ranked prospect
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wouldn't mind Castellanos
for same package….
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Just don’t see them trading their top prospect and the top catching prospect in the NL while sitting in fourth place.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Reds
have Grandal behind Mesoraco and have a huge need for starting pitching and a shortstop
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Then we are more likely to get Grandal
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yes, but I expect they would get us to take Grandal then Mesoraco and give us another player then give up the real stud. Kuroda is good, Furcal is simply a huge question mark that they may get nothing from.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I think I must be way underrating Kuroda because I didn’t expect him to even warrant top 10 prospect talk.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
who is a top 10 prospect?
Mesoraco is top 35 at best
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
In the last decade a top 35 prospect has been dealt for a non star twice.
Kazmir for Victor Zambrano
Joel Guzman for Julio Lugo
Since Kuroda doesn’t even bring type A picks you’re basically counting on Walt Jocketty being terrible to get that trade done.
@andrewngrant
or I meant each team’s top 10. Like, if I were acquiring Kuroda I wouldn’t trade Any of our top 10 guys for him.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Kuroda is better than
you are gving him credit for, I think. He is pretty consistent too. If I don’t get a team’s Top 10 prospect for Kuroda, I keep him.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, which is why I started with “I think I must be way underrating Kuroda”.
He should probably get us Grandal.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Theres also the fact that
he’s the best available guy out there right now, which elevates his value beyond what it would be otherwise. A bit like the perfect storm that got Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews their huge deals.
Right, no point in moving him unless you get something that can be useful.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Gary Sanchez would be cool too, though he’s further away
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Will Ferrell and Adam McKay are big fans.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 6, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I think you are underrating his value to a team whose postseason might be a one game difference and Kuroda is lightworld better then the options the Tigers, Diamondbacks, Rangers, Reds have.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
agreed Phil
Grandal wouldn’t be a bad haul either, but I heard his D has been bad this season.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If he can be a good #6 hitter for the next 6 years, I’m in :)
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
then again
If we package Kuroda, Furcal and Kuo, maybe we can get Mesoraco. Mesoraco is ready now, and the Reds won’t bring him up in a pennant race,
They need a solid lefty out of the pen with Chapman’s control issues.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
and Furcal
fills the Reds need for a leadoff hitter as well.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
hopefully the two days before we deal him
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
And other teams know this so he’s close to valueless.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Grandal is that much better of a prospect than Griff. I’d take Grandal over Griff, sure, but not by a wide margin.
"Fast just got Faster"
Furcal and Carroll for Carlos Martinez
by Julio Nievas on Jul 6, 2011 9:35 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The guy who made the Lee and CC trades is now the Indians President, not their GM. Antonetti is the GM, Mark Shapiro pulled those triggers and got promoted.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
"promoted"
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Isn’t that how it works in corporate america? We see you can’t really do this job, but you’re way over qualified to be demoted and we don’t want to lose you, here, let’s give you a corner office and a bigger desk so you get out of the way.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Only 11.2% of the time. Many people earn their promotions
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sure, on the way up you better work your ass off and make your boss and boss’s boss look damn good. But once you are your boss’s boss, you just get moved to the side once it’s found you were promoted one level too high.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
There is a lot of incest in aerospace too, but if you get too high in an aerospace company you end up having proprietary program knowledge and they don’t want to let you just wander over to Lockheed Martin and teach them how to build Global Hawks.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Dave Young
knows a lot about getting “too high” in an aerospace company. he got cheeto crumbs all over his keyboard.
Andre to Philly?
I’ll take Brown in return for him.
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nincompoop
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Why bother only going for the #4?
lets go for the #1 prospect in baseball if we are going big
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
throw in kemp
and maybe we can get shane victorino and carlos ruiz
by mintxcore on Jul 6, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, but hasn’t Erlin moved a head of him?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Rob erlin is a good friend of mine and I would love to see him in dodger blue but the dodgers don’t have any trade pieces that could get him.
by soolongfrankie on Jul 6, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Great Writeup
Although the future looks bleak right now.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions
My trade value is lowest at these times
I’m only useful when you need blind optimism heading into the year.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yes now I do
we have past the point of blind optimism to the point where the blinding suck of the team has penetrated my defensive shields. All that’s left is a bitter, useless husk.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I know this is purely conjecture, but Matt trying to take home last night just felt like he knew the team is crap and he needs to do what he can to score runs.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say that is fairly likely
just like the horrible contact play we have on with runners on 3rd
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
In news only I will care about
Clayton Kershaw is scheduled to start tomorrow, and you know that the All-Stars have those stars on their jerseys and caps. Well, according to uni-watch.com:
A little birdie tells me that Clayton Kershaw of the Dodgers removed the stars from his cap prior to last night’s game and used a blue marker to cover up some adhesive residue. (That’s some impressive attention to detail, but couldn’t he just have gotten a regular star-free cap instead?) He also asked a clubbie if his jersey stars could be removed.
Oh wait till ESPN gets a hold of it
Clayton will be labeled un-american.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Don't expect logic from them josie.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I think you get fined for messing with your uniform. Maybe that’s just the NFL.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
We had a tough loss against the Mets, so I was like ‘Derek I’m going to take a picture of you in this uniform here and I’m going to lift our guys’ spirits, and I’m also going to send the message: try to do everything you can to not get injured so you don’t wind up in a minor league rehab assignment wearing a uniform looking like this.’
-Brian Cashman
@andrewngrant
That is if you do something like
wear a unapproved shoe or socks.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I remember Jake Plummer(?) getting fined for wearing some sort of commemorative patch.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
thats different then removing something though
nfl fines you for adding or substituting.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
someone got fined for wearing low tops
it was dumb
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
This is what I was talking about
Denver Broncos QB Jake Plummer wore a No. 40 decal on the back of his helmet since the 2004 training camp that honored former Arizona teammate Pat Tillman. Tillman, the U.S. Army Ranger and former Cardinal safety, was killed in action in April 2004. NFL policy prohibits personal messages on uniforms or helmets. According to Plummer, the NFL warned him of a $20,000 fine if he wore the decal at Tampa Bay on 10/03/2004 and that it would trigger a $10,000 fine because of the previous week[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8217;s game against San Diego (09/26/2004). Plummer removed the sticker and received no fine.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Yeah the NFL is dumb
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
So why would Kershaw do this? I don’t get it. Some sort of superstition, or what? Wanting to be just one of the boys? Or what?
Romine
he would solve the catcher position for several years ; his defense is major league ready now
I’ve been thinking that’s what we’re getting for Kuroda a while. He’s not going to actually be a positive contributor but at least he keeps Barajas off the team.
@andrewngrant
Right, just saying don’t expect Austin Romine to have any major effect on the Dodgers.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Josie thinks I’m the Les Nessman of Dodger bloggers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m not going to google him and assume you gave me a compliment.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You can’t write a post called Mad Men gone wild and not expect references.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
it's cool reg
Ken Cosgrove works in accounts. Handsome enough, but a definite skirt chaser back when you could still make eyes at the steno pool. As he’s in accounts, everyone is shocked when he gets a short story published, and the creative types especially are jealous when it turns out it’s good. However, he doesn’t get a big head about his writing, it’s just a hobby for him.
And I imagine, with that attitude, Cosgrove relied heavily upon his editor : )
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
only Cosgrove I know was from Freakazoid
“Hey Freakazoid, wanna go get a mint?”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Hi, I’m mint core. I like shows like The Killing, and Treme, which are slower than paint drying, but I can’t get into the show which started the damn slow cooking trend in the first place.
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
the killing fell off the map for me
but mad men just feels too soapy for me. i dont care who is sleeping with whom.
if that’s all you can see in that show, you should never take my advice on TV ever
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
ok
soapy with characters i couldnt convince myself to care about?
and whenever i hear people talking about it, it just bores me. i like good tv, and am not denying mad men is good tv, its just boring to me.
why watch barry lyndon when you can watch dr strangelove?
i don’t know the answer to that question, i just know that since I consider Mad Men the peak of what I want in a tv show, I’m probably not your critic : )
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Talking about music and movies and TV with Aj
is a mustly futile endeavor. Don’t go down that rabbit hole.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
unless you enjoy having someone tell you
everything you like is dumb
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
mustly
a combo of mostly and musty. I like it!
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
wasn’t it frozen turkeys he dropped from the plane:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m gonna tell my as yet unborn daughter to find a better hobby with less up and down. Like building ships in bottles, or scrabble
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
“Nosferatu, sounds like a leftover scrabble rack, played on a dare”
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
How is getting a rack like IIIIUUC anything but a down?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
if you aren’t cheating at scrabble, you’re doing it wrong
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet you steal from the bank in Monopoly too.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
she at least double taps when you aren’t looking so she can land on Free Parking.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
I will have to be on my lookout when we play Dodger Monopoly.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That will be a short game, 1 go around in and the MLB will seize all the properties
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I’ve never known a monopoly game to come in under three hours
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Taking out free parking helps a lot with this.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
That is a standard house rule at Casa Stephen, along with paying all taxes and fees into Free Parking (plus $500)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yankees are also rumored to want a LH relieve
Kuroda and Kuo for a package including Montero?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
in hurt to type that, I love both those guys
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
What if we throw in Trent and Lindblom?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don't know about that
I think Montero will be moved by 7/31…..he has lost a bit of his prospect shine this year
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Could he possibly
be worst than the last few months of Russell Martin. Even the Yankees like to save money as they look to next season.
defensively?
he’s terrible.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
If they couldn’t part with Montero last year for Cliff Lee, I doubt they would dealt him for hk
by Julio Nievas on Jul 6, 2011 10:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Love this line
I don’t think Ned is built for this tricky endeavor, I have doubts he can extricate even one useful part for the future.
"Fast just got Faster"
I don't think Ned is built for anything
except starring in Weekend at Bernies: The Musical
by JLS23 on Jul 6, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
These deals rely on two things
For Kuroda and Furcal, waiving their no-trade rights, probably easier with Furcal than Kuroda.
Second, the Dodgers adding money to the deal.
Otherwise, you will have to ask for a player that has lost favor with their team in return (aka McDonald and Lambo) or a player who appears to be blocked by some other young player. In fact, those are the players that the Dodgers should be looking at as opposed to a team’s top prospects of whom they are unlikely to get.
Guys like Chris Davis and Julio Borbon from Texas.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
agreed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be
Davis in particular seems to be a guy who the Rangers don’t know what to do with.
Does Michael Young get the last laugh as the All-Star DH?
he's blocked at almost every position he could play
Moreland’s at 1B
Beltre/Young are at 3B
Napoli/Young are at DH
and I think they enough OF that they don’t need him out there.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Napoli is a free agent next year
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
they still have Young
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
for sure
I think Hawk and one of Guerra/Lindblom could do it. But take my opinion with a grain of salt
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
But why would you trade Hawksworth? He’s cost controlled for another year and has been better than advertised as a short reliever.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Peripherals aren’t that great, if we get any offers we need to take them.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
because you are getting Chris Davis in return
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
then
Guerra and Lindblom?
I’m only going by the Rangers might want a guy with a track record of success at the big league level
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Ethan Martin too!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Probably not
not like the German, Link, or Troncoso could.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Merkin?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
We have no idea, none whatsoever, of what Tolleson and St. Clair could do, and I don’t like Guerra or Lindblom’s stuff.
Hawk, Huerra and Lindblom all have flat fastballs, but at least when Hawk throws his, it’s consistently 96-97.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
So if he’s that replaceable that AA prospect X could do what he does, why would Texas give up Chris Davos for him?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Tolleson is kicking ass right now
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yeah, he’s been better of late, but he’s still just a AA reliever.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Hawk is just a reliever who is due for a rough regression
I’ll take an everyday player over him, and I like hawk!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
There’s got to be better arms out there that they could get for Davis. Probably pull a closer off a non-contender for him.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Which would make getting him for hawk all the better
if we can pull it off, we should.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
it would be awesoke
to get Goldschmidt for Kuroda
/dreamon
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
not sold on him
but maybe I am wrong….he has proved his critics wrong this season
Ray Guilfoyle
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www.mlbdailydish.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 6, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
How about Branden Allen
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
And to the lighter side
Maybe if you had showed up in person, this might have worked out better
How about them Cowboys?
I saw that earlier, even got RT by SBNation for it. My first thought when I opened the article was “I wonder how Texans feel that Miss Texas is dating a black dude? Is it okay because he’s a Cowboy? Is it not okay because it’s Roy Williams? Are they becoming more progressive and it doesn’t matter anymore?”
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Really
that was your first thought.
I don’t think in general Texans would think anymore about it than most and to some extent, being a celebrity tends to even make that less than issue.
Texas law says
Engagement rings fall under the conditional-gift rule. As applied by Texas courts, the conditional-gift rule contains an element of fault. Texas courts have held that the conditional-gift rule operates to require that the engagement ring be returned to the donor upon termination of the engagement, if the donee is at fault in terminating the engagement. If the donor is at fault, the ring doesn’t have to be returned.
Isn’t that true in California as well? I was under the impression that was a federal thing and engagement rings were seen as conditional contracts.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
huh
engagement rings are like dowrys, except you only get the cash value if you try and it doesn’t work
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
moreso, my assumption was: I’ll give you this ring if you marry me, and i’ll let you keep it until we get married. If we don’t end up getting married you have breached your end of the contract and I’m returned my ring.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
something along the line of services not rendered upon payment.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
right, tradition being the groom pays for the ring, and the father of the bride pays for the wedding. I want a wedding free from debt obligations. My whole life has been debt obligations. I want a hoedown in a town hall where the butcher brings a fattened pig
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
cousin with an iphone. And we’ll gather wildflowers for the arrangements
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
except
what if its the dudes fault for the marriage not happening. he does osmething dickish… like fedexing an engagement ring…
I think this gets shot down in Peoples Court all the time. A gift is a gift, and you can’t take it back
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
sounds like it depends on the state.
I do know that if you’re going to propose, don’t do it on a typical gift giving holiday like Christmas, a birthday, anniversary or Valentine’s Day because if it breaks off and you want the ring back, she can say you just gave it to her as a regular present and not as an engagement ring.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
That would be awesome!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
its never too late!
you can be an aerospace lawer! Lots of money in the field I bet.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don’t want to be in school until I’m 35. At this point, it’s just a fun thing to follow.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
You could be rich though!
I’ve thought of going back to school and becoming a lawyer, but yeah, that would involve more school. Bleh.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Wow, I had no idea they had law governing engagement ring protocol. I bet we are the only country in existence to have such a law.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I bet we are not
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The U.S.
probably has had more litigation about this (and each state is different) in California, if the man (who usually gives the ring) is the one to break off the engagement, he cannot ask for the ring back.
In the UK, unless it can be shown that the ring was given under a specific condition, like if we don’t get married by this date or place, there is no obligation to return the ring.
Also, this is why in general (though tricky) if you are giving a family heirloom as the engagement ring, you may want to put something in writing re what will happen to it if the marriage does not work out (since generally the ring would be considered the woman’s separate property and not part of the community property).
I’m told the family heirloom ring isn’t something girls want these day. They want to have their own unique set not grandma’s old pearl.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
my best friend wasn’t even given an engagement ring, she used her grandmothers ring after her now husband just asked
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I like your friend. Keeping the man(’s expenses) down since 2011.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
hey, I said up top I don’t even want a formal wedding : ) With all due respect to minty’s wife, weddings are a dumb expense, perpetuated by industries whose fattened calf is weddings.
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
my peeps are nothing like the 500 person southern wedddings, or persian weddings, etc…
and yet its still costing a fortune!
keep the wedding simple
then have a big ass party
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
that’s my plan. Spend all that money on booze and meat, the heck with dresses you’ll never wear again and flowers that will wilt anyhow
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
but simple still can mean nice.
im a cheap person, but i felt OK putting some money into the wedding. namely the location, food, flowers and photography/video. it wasnt cheap but it wasnt extravagant. but it depends a lot on a person and their culture.
Of course
you are certainly not biased towards someone spending money on their nuptials for say, pictures.
nope!
hahaha but in all seriousness, if one is gonna spend a decent chunk of cash on location, flowers, a dress, etc… then photography is an important thing to also spend money on because you want those moments captured and saved.
I guarantee
before he met his wife, the phrase “you want those moments captured and saved” was never in his vocabulary.
i imagine
they enjoy it too
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
When I was 10 I saw the Blue Angel, scarred me for life.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Oh man, The Blue Angel. I saw it when I was 20 and it scarred me for life.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Jul 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe that phrasing
but i was a huge photo nerd in HS. i would take my digital camera (which were super rare back then) with me to school and take pictures and then put them up on my website. oh 1998. huge on capturing and saving the moment. its why i have a picture of me with a 15 year old katy perry… thou its lost on a computer somewhere currently
If I had a dollar for every time mintcore has name dropped katy perry……..
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jul 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even Vero Joe thought it was too much
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Having been to only 2 Angel games since 2000
Are there any traditional pre-game stops like Phillpes nearby.
Disneyland
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Flakey Jakes
but its been shut down since… around 2000
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
We are not eating before the Angels game
keeping the trip tight and as short as possible. Kelly golfed this morning though, so his day is much longer than mine.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
You guys should ride bikes
between Angels and Dodgers Stadium. Get everyone from SAABR46 to wear cycling gear. See who gets weeded out.
They are seemingly doing a lot to develop the area
so hopefully some good stuff gets in there soon
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Hooters. TGI Fridays. It’s OC, you get chains and you will like it.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Only if you are too lazy too look
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I usually do the del taco
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i got stuck in that el torito grill
on valentines day maybe 3 years ago. it was such an interesting scene. it is where all the cholos put on their best button up anchor blue shirt and took their hynas out for a big night out.
the el torito on the Redondo Beach pier is the only place I trust not to get poisoned, and they have cheap drinks @ happy hour
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
They make a strong margarita for four bucks.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
food wise, yes, but 10 year old Josie didn’t remember that. The drinks were good and cheap though
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I just went back to the pier for the first time in a long time with a friend on Friday
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
This is el torito grill josie
MUCH fancier :-p.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
couldnt tell you
but when she was 14 or 15 or hwoever old she was at the time, they were not there. she was also blonde.
I have to tell you
by 15 or 16 most women’s breasts are fully developed. (I was aware she was a natural blonde, and her real name is Katy Hudson).
Please provide side-by-side photo comparison
"Fast just got Faster"
Even though
he did mention the name, he is still referring to her, does that count as name dropping.
Though he was asked a question about her.
Texas law is dumb
and I say this as my older brother practices contract law in Houston. Ain’t no way I’m giving the ring back if it doesn’t work out.
GTFO.
my first thought was...
the dude mailed her the ring. what’s up with that?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
Yeah
I mean if you have spent apparently over 80K and you have lived with her for a year, why not spend some money on a flight.
Don’t worry, I’m sure it was certified mail.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, okay, after the “HE MAILED IT TO HER?” tweet, I then clicked the article and there was a picture. I didn’t know Roy Williams was dating Miss Texas.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
What I find really screwed up is
Miss CA won the recent Miss USA pageant, even though she was from NJ as recently as 2007. WTF.
haha stupid loopholes.
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
As I understand it
In the big cities they are plenty progressive, outside the big cities less so. Hell Houston had a lesbian mayor.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
this is a video of her throwing the first pitch at a softball game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TFbDTomc3I
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Imagine Texas as a dartboard with a blue bullseye.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
nice work
good reading material to mull over while in doctors waiting room. :)
willbe really interesting and possibly nerve wracking to see how ned handles this. do the right thing, mr. GM.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Jul 6, 2011 10:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rays
They could use a SS and leadoff hitter. Maybe trade Furcal or Carroll plus a prospect for Tim Beckham? Former #1 pick a couple of years ago. Maybe he could play 2b and we could have a future middle infield of Gordon and Beckham?
For the next 25 days, I would bet the answer to 99% of your questions will be “No.”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
What could we get from the Rays for Furcal or Carroll? They could use an upgrade at shortstop and they have a great farm system.
by dodgers4life on Jul 6, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
i don't think
we match up with the Rays
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
their farm system is a lot like ours. Lots of high upside pitchers, only a couple hitters and their hitters are 19 year olds from the 2010 draft that are probably being overrated because of recency error.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Is it possible to get a Daniel Hudson out of this trade deadline? Not the Daniel Hudson but someone like that.
I remember this guy's voice
Dick Crago, the longtime Holman Stadium public address announcer in Vero Beach, Fla., died over the weekend. Crago’s voice was the sound of spring in Dodgertown from 1969-2008.
Maximize the Return
So what is the most realistic return we could hope to expect from all of our potential deadline deals that would maximize our return? Basically, on 1 Aug, what would make us satisfied with the job Ned did?
My scenario:
Kuroda and Furcal (plus money) to Cin for Yasmani Grandal and Juan Francisco
Hawksworth and Van Slyke to Tex for Chris Davis
Carroll to ? for SP (help me out here)
just out of curiosity
why did you include Van Slyke in the Davis deal?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we have a good bit of OF depth and I agree it might take more than Hawk to get him, I just wouldn’t want to give up another arm.
i get ya
I think Van Slyke is mostly playing 1B, though it might be because of a crowded OF as well.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
lets try giving them miles instead
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
seems like a good time to ask....
a Pho place is opening up near me. it’s called “9021Pho”. I know that “Pho” is pronounced “Phu” like “fu-n”. Is a place that doesn’t use the correct pronunciation worth going to? such a sad question i would only think of, but this is also the only place i feel i would get a good answer.
so how does the place pronounce it?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
oh... haha
but these Pho places often have random numbers in front of it. …
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
and if the random numbers aren't before
they are after. Its a law I think.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
exactly!
so by naming your place using the “fo” trying to be cute, what does that say about hte place?
You are willing to bastardize the product to sell it to the masses
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing, but it says plenty about you that you are over analyzing a name to decide if they serve good food or not.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i used to go to Fuddruckers all the time
my first experience with pour your own sodas. used to always have to choose between fuddruckers and in-n-out when my dad and i would come home to SB from visiting LA.
then he is missing out
I miss Flakey Jakes, it was fudruckers but they also had pizza
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
haha
possibly true. its a solid sign to warn me against going there. not saying its not good food, but why go to a watered down, inauthentic (for lack of a better word) place (cough, el torito) when there are so many better options in LA
except you really can't tell that by the name
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
prove it
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
tacos at taco bell were originally called tay-cos, because they assumed Americans would pronounce it that way anyhow
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m like mintcore mild, just snobbish to not make it my rep
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Shocking you two are on the same side of this “issue”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Kind of like how a TV show called John From Cincinnati isn’t worth watching.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would I want to watch something about Cincinnati
with a guy whos name is as generic as John? Sounds like shit tbh.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yeah but this is a fictional show
by a restaurant mispronouncing its specialty dish, it makes me question the quality, thats all.
its like if bud selig bought the dodgers and changed their name to the Los Angelees Dodgers. we’d know he was full of shit
But I think the word “taco” is known well enough to not pronounce it that way
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
They would have to add the K to tacos
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless you need to rhyme it with Sacco or Flacco.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
if there are vietnamese people eating there on a regular basis, it should be good. also, when they bring out the plate of greens to mix with the Pho, if you get 3 varities of greens + sprouts + peppers, the place is legit.
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
I’m disappointed we have on Vietnamese here to tell mintcore that you can’t tell a book by it’s cover.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
there isnt even a cover yet!
all there is is a change-of-ownership sign in the window stating the new name. just curious more than anything else!
It's a play on
90210 (which of course is not correctly said either if you say nine, oh, two, one, oh.)
Well
since a lot of Pho places don’t win awards for their restaurant name, I would not ding them for that play on Pho.
I have heard pho as fa and pho as fo.
I’m sure it will be better than the Joey Lawrence-themed restaurant down the street, 9021Whoa
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pho King Delicious
Name of a restaurant in the valley. Food is OK but one of best restaurant names ever.
And it is pronounced correctly!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Why are some people here hesitant to trade Kuroda?
he’s on a one year contract. i bet we could get him again next year cuz he seems to like playing in LA. he passed up more lucrative contracts just to be here. and he has stated that he would be open to a trade. when asked about it kuroda said …
“Ever since spring training started, I think everyone in the clubhouse and everyone in the big leagues thinks that’s the main goal, to play for a team that has a possibility in the playoffs,” Kuroda said through an interpreter. “I’m not an exception.”
if we can rent him out for a prospect i’m in. but personaly i think we should be concentrating on a 3B. we got guys to fil loney’s spot (sands.) and i like the way ellis calls a game so i’m ok waiting for someone to develop. power at the hot spot would be my main concern.
who are these some people?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
but for example …
Kuroda is better than
you are gving him credit for, I think. He is pretty consistent too. If I don’t get a team’s Top 10 prospect for Kuroda, I keep him.
you can get draft picks by keeping him and offering arbitration
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
or pick
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Depends on what the Dodgers plans are but Kuroda actually accepting arb could ruin the 2012 team.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
he signed for less to be here this year. i think he would do it again. maybe on another 1 yr. he’s comfortable in LA.
which would be an argument for not trading him
blah blah blah he could still sign back here, but how often does that actually happen?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i don’t know. he’s a different cat. i totaly expected him to sign somewhere else for a bigger contract last year. but he approached ned for just a one year at a bargain deal. maybe he’s at a stage in his career where he doesn’t want to re-establish himself somewhere else. just wants to play in LA and get traded at the end of the season to a contender? haha. maybe that was his plan.
he might be
about at the end of his career.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Hiroki Kuroda said he didn’t have to listen to any other offers. He was told the Dodgers wanted him back. That was all he had to know to decide where he would play next season.
Kuroda re-signed with the Dodgers on Monday evening, passing a physical to make official a one-year, $12-million deal.
“The fact that they felt they needed me made me happy,” said Kuroda, who completed a three-year, $35.3-million contract this year.
This is true, which to me is why trade him unless you can get back some real value. Kuroda likes pitching for the Dodgers and I agree if he pitches again in MLB he will pitch for us.
Best case scenario, we trade him for Grandal, in 2012 he’s pitching to Grandal for us.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That feels like a reason I wouldn't want to trade him
He could have gone to any of 15 teams, but he loved us and stuck with us for less. I kinda feel like I’d only trade him if he is ok with going because he wants to win.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
how would it 'ruin'
the team?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If we had plans to actually sign anyone suddenly tossing 15 million to Kuroda would sink that right quick. Like Eric said though, it’s probably a moot point.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Fairly certain Kuroda has it written into his contract (like most Japanese players with any leverage) that he will not be offered arb.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
after he buys a round of beer of course
by Eric Stephen on Jul 6, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you plan on buying blu rays?
do you have a big ass tacotv? Would you like to be able to stream netflix to your tv? You own a PS3, why don’t you just use that?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
i imagine
you plan on purchasing them in the future correct?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Context
I have a truckload of DVDs. And my two players are 6-8 years old. So there’s no point in getting replacements, I should just get a Blu-Ray player, right?
You own a PS3
its the best blu ray player money can buy.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I did not want to wear out my old PS3 either
so I bought a Samsung blue ray for like $130 at Best Buy.
wear out?
what? You people are crazy.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
is your ps2 emulation still working?
I hear it breaks on most
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Loveable Bums
anyone know how this nickname came about?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
the Brooklyn Dodgers for a very long time were a terrible team
but the city loved them with all their heart and soul
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
and bum used to be like the biggest insult ever
by Josie Becker on Jul 6, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
dey may be bums
but dere our bums
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The Bum part
was created by cartoonist Willard Mullin. Legend has it back in 1937, on a cab ride back from the game, the cab driver said, how those bums (meaning the Dodgers) do today. Mullin used that as his inspiration for the character.
this is cool
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
brandon webb rip
he had a good run. might be having rotator cuff surgery. again.
http://twitter.com/#!/JeffWilson_FWST/status/88660091426975744
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 6, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
damn, that's really sad for him
needs to look into some stem cells
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
some of bartolo colon's black magic
or PEDs.. not sure..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 6, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
looks like
they are playing the NES version of Top Gun on the screen there.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
What is that thing in the middle? Looks like the original Top Gun nintendo game.
"Fast just got Faster"
heh
you and me
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Are they playing atari on the front?
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Jul 6, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
fuck a refuel jet
my 9 year old self was absolutely incapable of ever doing this properly
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 6, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
argh!
i hated that part. Not like i was able to do anything else though
The one time I actually landed on the air craft carrier I just about jumped for joy.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Heard this!
A rival executive tells ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that the Dodgers waited too long to sign Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier to extensions. The outfielders hit free agency after 2012, so Los Angeles may have to overpay to keep the duo in place long-term.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jul 6, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
who is to say they wanted to sign extensions, mr ‘rival executive’?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jul 6, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
They probably would have been happy with five year deals instead of the two years they got a couple years ago.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
would you have paid
and would they had accepted 3 more years (one year arb, two years FA) for let’s say 45M each.
Maybe not for Ethier since 15 per year on the open market doesn’t seem like too much of a discount but I would have for Kemp.
This is with the benefit of hindsight of course.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Or that Ethier is even worth keeping "long term"
assuming long term translates to 4+ years. I could see a 3-year deal, maybe a 4-year, but I imagine he gets at least 5 on the open market, and it really hasn’t sounded like he has any real love for the Dodgers (not enough to give a discount, anyway).
They signed both of them
to two year deals in 2010. Unless you thought you were going to get some extraordinary discount, why go longer than that.
Because if you believe a player like Kemp, or Ethier should be on your team for more than 2 years, you should try to sign them to it.
But the Dodgers have shown that they rather build their teams though short term deals. That’s been their MO ever since the team was sold by FOX.
Juan Pierre ruined everything.
This is just common sense. The closer someone gets to free agency, the more a long term deal will cost.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jul 6, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/7/6/2262420/don-sutton-all-star-game-mvp
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Cincy is only 4 games back
They have a bunch of catchers with Mesoraco in the wait. Why can’t they depart with Yas Grandal? Kuroda for Grandal sounds awesome, but I heard Reds won’t be able to add payroll. Ugh..
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