Kershaw & Kemp Complete High Five To Beat Padres 6-2
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 9:37 PM PDT
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All season long for the Dodgers in 2011, their bread and butter has been Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw. Two of the very best players in the game have been at their best this year, and tonight at Petco Park was no different. Kemp and Kershaw each extended personal streaks to five, leading the Dodgers to a 6-2 win over the Padres to open a three-game series.
Kershaw against the Padres' lineup in this ballpark was, to put it mildly, a favorable matchup. Kershaw matched his lowest strikeout total of the season with four, but Kershaw was a ground ball machine, inducing 14 groundouts, picking up his fifth straight win. A byproduct of the low strikeout total was a low pitch count, and Kershaw was able to finish what he started, throwing 108 pitches in the process. It was the fourth complete game of the season for Kershaw, and fifth of his career.
Kemp extended his streak to five straight games with two hits, and stretched his overall hitting streak to a season-high-tying nine games, during which he is hitting .444/.462/.778. Kemp led off the fourth inning with a double and later scored on a single by Rod Barajas. In the eighth inning, Kemp scored Andre Ethier from first with an RBI triple to the gap in left center field. Kemp leads the National League with 83 RBI.
Jamey Carroll opened up the fifth inning with a double to left field, and then two plays by Cory Luebke helped the Dodgers add to their lead. Clayton Kershaw bunted up the third base line and though the ball looked like it might go foul, Luebke fielded the ball then threw wildly to first base, but by then Kershaw was already at the bag and was credited with a single. Then Dee Gordon tapped a ball back to in between the mound and first base. Luebke fielded and threw home, but his throw was low, allowing Carroll to slide in with the run. The Dodgers added another run when on a Casey Blake sacrifice fly to make it 4-1.
Carroll also had a pair of nifty slides in the seventh inning after leading off the frame with a single. On a busted hit and run play the throw from catcher Rob Johnson beat Carroll to second base, but Carroll deftly slid away from the tag for a stolen base. Then Carroll tried to steal third, and the throw beat him again, but he avoided the tag again...at least until Chase Headley tagged Carroll in the armpit before his foot hit the base. Only, third base umpire Phil Cuzzi didn't see the tag, and Carroll was safe. Carroll has nine steals this season without being caught, which is one more than the Los Angeles Dodger record shared by noted speedsters Greg Brock (1984) and Eric Karros (1996).
Hiroki Kuroda starts Tuesday, looking to exercise his no-loss clause against Mat Latos.
UPDATE: The MRI results for Rubby De La Rosa showed a sprained ligament in his right elbow, per DodgerTalk on KABC. Horrible news.
WP - Clayton Kershaw (13-4): 9 IP, 6 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts
LP - Cory Luebke (3-6): 7 1/3 IP, 10 hits, 5 runs, 3 strikeouts
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Very Satisfying
And a great write up too.
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I endorsed the team that Ned put together — I called it the best that could have been expected, given all the holes he had to fill — so it would be disingenuous of me to blame Ned for what I’m about to say…
…but, dammit, when you have a MVP candidate and a Cy Young candidate, your team should finish somewhat better than awful.
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yeah
no kidding
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine the impossible
A healthy Furcal and a healthy Blake combined with Rivera on board beginning opening day …
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No one put a gun to his head and told him he needed to give major league contracts to Barajas, Gibbons, Thames, Uribe, Lilly, Padilla, Garland, Guerrier, and Loney. He could easily have non tendered James and signed Kotchman for peanuts. He could have simply let Carroll be the starting 2nd baseman. He could have understood better the chances of Garland not making it through the season just as the other 29 general managers did. He could have understood that while Lilly might give you one more year, the risk of years two and three should have been avoided.
I’m just saying while the injuries to Blake/Furcal/Kuo/Broxton could not be avoided this mess of a team could have been. JMO
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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No doubt
Ned doesn’t get let off the hook cos Frank McCourt is a lecherous twit.
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Phil is that you? I thought it was Joey Joe for a second.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Why?
cos it’s a pretty thorough breakdown of why this team is so poorly constructed? If that’s what you mean, Joey has been right for quite a while.
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Well, I dunno. All of that criticism came up at the time, but rare was the fellow that identified all of it. And I was certainly not that guy. So I am loathe to blame Ned — like I say, it’s easy to Monday morning quarterback this team.
What’s more, I’m not sure there’s anything that could have been done. Lilly looked like an OK bet — best SP on the market, n’est-ce pas? The knock on Uribe was “too much for too many years,” not “he is a bad player.” Garland was — correct me if I’m wrong — one of the more durable guys over the last several years. Ned just rolled snake eyes on all of those.
Not that he’s not responsible. Of course he is. But the bigger frustration is timing, that things didn’t quite work out in 2009 and now they are blossoming at a time when the team was in no position to compete.
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I try not to be much of Monday Morning QB. I usually make my opinion known at the time of any transaction. You don’t see me complaining about A Jones or Schmidt because I was on board. My views are public.
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Didn’t you endorse Lilly? Weren’t you on the “too much for too many years” Uribe train? I could go back and look, but I’m lazy.
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I endorsed the trade for Lilly, did not endorse the three year contract. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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In a piece on 10/20/10, you are clearly torn on the deal. On the one hand, you are not a fan, but on the other hand, you seem to be unwilling to deny his recent success.
I can’t help but feel that the Ted Lilly we saw in Aug/Sept will be the best we will ever see, and that in three years this will be another deal about which someone will say “other then a few bad signings here and there, Ned has done a bang up job”. Then again the NL seems to suit Ted Lilly just fine. He has been as solid as they come since he left Toronto and learned how to control the strike zone.
You CLEARLY aren’t a fan of the three-year contract in the piece, but that’s very different from saying the Dodgers shouldn’t have acquired him at all and that he will be a failure from his the first start of that contract.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s this… Julius Snow made a comment and you endorsed it…
My thoughts on Lilly
Mixed feelings. I like Lilly and am glad he’s on board with the Dodgers. But I don’t agree that we should pay him 11 mill a year to be our #3 starter, especially with his fastball that everyone can connect on, but he locates it well and somehow got a 19 value rating on fangraphs.
His breaking stuff is great and won’t change and he has a great slider. Overall, I would’ve loved a two-year deal, but I’m on board that Dodger Stadium could be good for Lilly and retire with the team who drafted him.
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by Julio Nievas on Oct 19, 2010 7:35 PM PDT actions
pretty much
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up actions
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
answers probably lie here
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/20/1764901/ted-lilly-contract-details-emerge-hallgren-leaves-dodgers
or here
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/19/1762338/ted-lilly-re-signs-with-dodgers-for-three-years-33-million
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
My thoughts on Lilly
Mixed feelings. I like Lilly and am glad he’s on board with the Dodgers. But I don’t agree that we should pay him 11 mill a year to be our #3 starter, especially with his fastball that everyone can connect on, but he locates it well and somehow got a 19 value rating on fangraphs.
His breaking stuff is great and won’t change and he has a great slider. Overall, I would’ve loved a two-year deal, but I’m on board that Dodger Stadium could be good for Lilly and retire with the team who drafted him.
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by Julio Nievas on Oct 19, 2010 7:35 PM PDT actions
pretty much
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up actions
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
was that ever in doubt?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
In your piece on 10/20/10, you had a poll
This was your choice:
1st year will be comparable to his recent past, but falls off in 2nd year, not even in rotation by 3rd year
So you can say honestly that you didn’t endorse the Lilly contract — which probably means that Lilly signs elsewhere — but I think it’s fair to say you thought he’d be OK this year.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That is correct, I thought he’d be okay this year and peripheral wise he has been better then the results. His contract is still going to kill us going forward since we aren’t the Yankee’s and can’t really afford misses in big dollar contracts. I don’t really want to beat this, just saying no one put a gun to Ned to make these deals. BH said in April he thought this was the best winter Ned had, I disagreed.
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Fair enough. I don’t know if it’s the best winter he had or not. I thought he had too many holes to fill, and with that in mind, he did what he could. It hasn’t worked out. I disliked the Uribe signing but got on board with the consensus opinion of “too much for too many”; that looks wrong now — it looks like a disaster signing. I endorsed the Garland and Padilla signings — low-risk — and I endorsed the Lilly signing, despite his age, in that he was likely the best guy available.
I think we’ve reached a conclusion here… it’s fair to blame Ned, in that he’s the guy who put the team together, but really, things have turned out to be worse than expected only in terms of time — that is, we thought these contracts would come back to bite us, and it turns out they bit us on Day One. And THAT is what is so disappointing, since we are getting such great work from Kemp and Kershaw.
That’s my only point, and I’m done.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
bullpen fucked us
uribe guirrier and lilly where worse then expeted sooner then expected. Blake was more injured then expected. Rafy was Rafy. Catcher was as bad as expected. Loney was even worse then expected somehow.
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Garland was durable
But after he signed he said something about other teams not wanting to give me the deal Colletti gave him because they didn’t like what they saw on his MRI. Ned gambled, but it wasn’t only snake eyes that would crap him out with regard to Garland.
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Fair enough on Jon Garland. Jason Schmidt, writ small. But that’s why he had Padilla, no? Was it unreasonable to think that he’d be wrong on both of them?
What’s more, I’m not sure pointing to the starting pitching is the way to blame Colletti if one is inclined to blame Colletti. The team cannot hit. That was the knock on them going in and it’s the knock on them coming out.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
but you fail to mention that he created some of these holes, and his philosophy of stockpiling veteran fringe depth eschews going after elite talent and THEN role players. When he has money, he spends it on beaten down veterans, over and over and over.
A good GM is one or two steps ahead of the game, and can anticipate a team being handicapped by injuries to veterans who are OFTEN INJURED and play important positions.
Oakland got Josh Willingham for very little, he could’ve played LF. J-Mac could’ve been a starter. He should’ve sold LAST year, like I and some others said, to get young players to fill holes going forward. Furcal and Kuo were at their highest value last year on a team sliding into oblivion. Use those pieces to fill holes…an always injured SS and a set-up guy.
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by Pure Azure on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I haven’t mentioned that here, but surely I have in the past. But I think the REASON for those holes is that he made a pennant push, and it almost worked.
I always thought the Dodgers were going to pay the price this year — I gave up on 2011 and 2012 before a single game was played in 2010 — and I was OK with that, given the teams the Dodgers fielded in the last two months of ‘08, ’09, and ’10 (even though that one didn’t work out). I advocated blowing up the team and losing 100 games in ’11 and ’12 and rebuilding around Kemp and Kershaw.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you rebuild around a piece that won’t be here in 2013?
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by trading them for mccutchen?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
You sign him to a long-term deal. Same with Kershaw. Those are the guys you gamble on. Build around them for a generation.
For example, I like the Billingsley deal well enough, and if the Dodgers are not going to go the lose-100-and-rebuild strategy, I certainly endorse it. But Billingsley might be a replaceable talent where Kemp and Kershaw are not.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
seemingly 28 other teams passeed on kotchman too
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There is nothing good about Kotchman other then he would have given the same Loney production for 1/5th the cost in 2011. The fact he actually hitting over .300 is not really the point, he’s over his head, he’s just like Loney a single/double hitter. The other 28 general managers did not miss on him, they simply didn’t have a piece of shit option like Loney at 1st base to replace. They already had legitimate 1st baseman.
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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 1, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like Lyle Overbay.
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who they just dumped
and they’re doing OK in Pittsburgh thanks in part to our castoffs
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Hiroki Kuroda starts Tuesday, looking to exercise his no-loss clause against Mat Latos.
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Hiroki Kuroda
Tougher Than A Robot Made Of Nails
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Phillies trio of pitchers splits votes, I could see Kershaw getting past Halladay for the Cy Young this year. It is insane how the pitchers with the 1st, 3rd and 4th best xFIP in the NL are all on the same team.
Eight more weeks of baseball will determine the Cy Young winner not the stats on August 1st
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yeah hopefully one of lee or hamels start going on fire to take some first place votes from halladay
cause they might split votes… but all the votes will be haladay number 1
Ned interview on 710
Interesting note: They debated on sending Sands back to AA because, according to Ned, the pitching is better there.
He makes a lot of good points that AAA really gets watered down at this point in the year with journeyman and non-prospects.
his favorite players
journeyman and non-prospects
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Plus he wouldn’t get to play in that joke of a park in AAA.
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 1, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Chad Moriyama
Fair and Balanced
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how did EO end up? I’m guessing not so great since the updates stopped after the first inning?
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debated
like doing it now? or when they first sent him down?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
“It was the fourth complete game of the season for Kershaw, and fifth this season.”
fifth of his career
Doubtful
easier to manage their innings in minors. You have Ely and worst case you could bring Eveland.
was just wondering about that
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Why, so they can blow out another young arm?
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eovaldi has a few more starts in him
he is only around 100 right? threw 100 innings last year
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Webster
threw 131.1 innings last year and can reasonably bump that to 160 or 170 at this point.
Eo is probably on a stricter innings limit.
at least give one of them a start
to see how they play in the bigs?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
no need to rush their development
in this clusterfuck of a season
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might need one of them
next year
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
neither of them
are gonna save us next year, I’m afraid. I say go with the AAAA pitchers this year, if either develop enough maybe a 5th starter gig for one of them in 2012, but don’t change anything because Rubby is hurt. That’s a panic move.
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Not worth burning up an option year. Neither are on the 40-man roster.
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Eveland is not on the 40-man, but can be easily discarded after the season.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Right. Point mainly being who are our reasonable options for starting other than Ely (already here) and Eveland.
Geez
How would this discussion be going had Kuroda accepted a trade?
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If they are brought up, there would be no option burned (most likely) b/c it’ll either be in September or very close to it.
I assumed they meant in August, for some reason.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Me to, otherwise I already expect EO in Sept.
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Are you sure though? Isn’t 2012 the year for Eovaldi and Webster to be added to the 40-man? It seems that, unless they are desperate (this definitely could qualify as desperate) they won’t add Eovaldi or Webster until they absolutely have to.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
They have to be added to the 40-man for a Sept. call up right? And that means option year burned, right?
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The option only gets burned if they get sent down after they are added to the 40-man
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No
if their contract is purchased and they never go back down to the minors this year, an option is not used.
He's young
TJ surgery of course is a bummer but he could back in rehab in a year, I like doing the known best thing as opposed to something where he ends up having to do surgery a year from now.
sprained ligament
So it is not an automatic from that diagnosis as to whether surgery is required or not? I suppose once you are out for the season, you mind as well fix everything up as best you can.
oh no
that fucking sucks
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
i was looking at the base stealing leaders in the past
i can’t imagine the days when people can have 100+ steal a season
From the Dodgers
Rubby De La Rosa diagnosed with sprained UCL. He is weighing options & determining course of treatment. Unfortunately surgery is an option.
ugh
this really fucking sucks
no other surgery than TJ, right?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure there is, but if you’re gonna go in there and do work, you might as well reconstruct it, I figure.
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 1, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
like a shaved labrum or whatever Schmidt had.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would possibly be a career ender. Ask Brandon Webb. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever, this fucks us up in 2012. Back to two friggin starters and moonbeams. Not only is 2011 a piss year, now it is starting to piss on 2012.
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Gonna be piss no matter what till a new owner is in place?
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i'd weep
but there aren’t enough tears.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously :(
baseball gods hate us this year for whatever reason…. mccourt, shpunt curse, stow karma, whatever it is, we’ve been boned pretty badly. hope luck swings soon…
whats rthe timetable for rubby now? (sorry if I missed that)
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by underdog on Aug 1, 2011 10:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Shpunt
Hell hath no fury as a spurned Shpunt
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
with our luck
a meteor will hit the Ogden Raptors tomorrow as they suit up for the game.
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oh for sure
i’m sooooooooo glad it’s not his shoulder. We only have one case of that voodoo that Colon got working
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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully he doesn’t need surgery and will be ready next year.
by dodgers4life on Aug 1, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
When
you get diagnosed with a sprain ligament, your best course is surgery unless we are talking really minor stuff.
Do we know the severity of it?
I assume if the Dodgers are admitted surgery is an option already, they must think that’s the correct path?
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone looked up the numbers on the rate surgeries attempted vs. outcomes successful enough to result in MLB service time?
It is not a sure thing.
This is devastating for De la Rosa
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Was he asked to pitch too much for someone his age and development? Just because we had crap without him?
In the minors their work is scheduled.
But this can happen to any of the pitchers at any time.
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Elbow operations are pretty successful if I recall correctly. Shoulder operations are generally bad.
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 2, 2011 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Just our luck he’ll askew surgery, rehab, go to spring training, and realize Fuck I should have had surgery which They will wait until May to perform, and they he will miss both 2012 and most of 2013 because that is what happens when they decide to skip surgery.
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It is a difficult decison
but hopefully he and the people he trusts will advise him to take the surgical route if that is the best thing for him.
Is there a case where a guy rehabbed a sprained UCL and pitched for years without problem?
Cause every time somebody tries to rehab it, it seems like 3 months later they are going under the knife anyway.
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 1, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
that is the subjective view, I would be curious if we are wrong
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Rubby could take the Andrew Bynum route and go watch soccer and have the surgery in a few months.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So Garland's shoulder giving out,
and to some extent Padilla not being healthy either, cost us Rubby’s elbow too, maybe.
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De La Rosa would still be starting in the minors
if he weren’t here, right? Maybe more taxing innings.
A lot better hitters in the majors making him work harder is my assumption.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The pitcher’s work is regulated in the minors
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Much more easily regulated, for sure. Skip a start, no big deal. 80 pitch limit tonight, no big deal.
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It must suck to be a fan of a minor league team.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You gotta like the players and care less about the team won-loss record, I would guess, but really we should ask fbihop this question.
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sounds like our reality
for the foreseeable future. And no, I’m not being emo, just realistic now. :)
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I still have some tickets to future games
At that is more or less my outlook for them.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Honestly, going to minor league games is more of just the atmosphere than anything else. And the chance to see a few players that will play in the big leagues.
Always fun to cheer for guys like John Lindsey, too. There are always two or three players with good stories that you want to do well and somehow get a miracle call-up and do well.
But, yeah, a minor league game is just an alternative to going to see a movie that night or something. Unless there is a specific prospect you really want to see, and that would only be pitchers that you can’t see every day. And there are no good Dodgers pitchers in AAA.
I agree with this completely.
When the Dodgers were in Vegas I’d go to a bunch of their AAA games but it wasn’t really to see the Dodgers. It was more just about watching baseball in that environment. I’d sometimes go out of my way to see guys on rehab assignments though. Those were the rare times I’d go for specific players.
Yeah, I went to all three games Manny was here last year, I went to see Broxton pitch this year and I went to see a game that I thought Furcal was going to play in this year.
I also remember the furor over the fact that the Isotopes sold out all three games that Manny was supposed to play in. Columnists were asking how could we possibly want to cheer for this cheat, showing that they have no idea what it is like to have a minor league team in their city.
Can I ask a dumb question?
Is the surgery that is an option Tommy John surgery? Would this be the better part of two seasons for recovery?
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He’d likely just maybe be able to start rehab in August, a la Strasburg this year.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i think recovery time for Tommy John
is 14 months
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Eighteen months to resume pitching preceded by excruciating rehab.
Hopefully a return to full strength after 24 months.
This surgery does not come with a warranty or money back guarantee.
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Strasburg
had Tommy John surgery the first week of September 2010, he is set to start rehab this month and possibly (though what is the point) pitch in the majors in September.
So the likelihood would be one season out (with this partial season) depending on any complications.
Colletti on Sands
Without Rivera, he’d already be back. Needs some more time to smooth things over offensively b/c he gets jammed. Defensively fine. Will be in L.A. by September at the latest.
hope to see you back at full strength in 2014
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t mean to be the voice of doom, but as the voice of doom……… fuck.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t hang anything on you
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
When you strain with every hard throw
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If you're not going to rhyme it with "you", why not
Doctor Neal ElAttrache?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I was just wondering tonight why they pitched Kershaw in the 9th in a meaningless game
I know complete games are nice, but…
Glad it took him only 8 pitches more or whatever.
Want to baby that 23 year old elbow along?
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Week of shit from last Tuesday night when Jansen gave the season a rainbow ribbon with his seven pitch performance. Since then
Jansen hospitalized with heart murmurs
Rockies kick our ass
Jansen DL’ under going Blood Thinner treatment, probably out for most of season
Kuroda turns down trade that might have (probably not) the team in the future
Arizona cleans our clocks
Trayvon gets traded for bullocks
Rubby get whacked
Rubby goes on DL
Rubby breaks our hearts
Fuck this
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 1, 2011 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
I could tell you that my best guess is that the Bankruptcy Reorganization probably won’t see a definitive resolution until December (though the hearing in two weeks will give a good indication of what will happen).
Ned on 2012 closer
Possibilities:
Guerra
Jansen
“One or two in AA who might be able to do it”
Without naming them directly, he said “two number one picks” who have yet to find themselves as starters will possibly be looked at as closers because of their electric stuff
also proves NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH THE NAME DE LA ROSA
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
At times I think there are no words but these to tell what’s true.
There are no truths outside the Gates of Eden
by Eric Stephen on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
disagree
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
mine is based in the history of every single De La Rose to ever play major league baseball, what is yours based on?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
family
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
then get on the damn mound and show us something
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
not my name
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Then get your lazy ass cousin/uncle/whoever on the damn mound and have him show us something.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Probably his aunt who throws like a girl
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
His aunt
was on Real Housewives of Orange County?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
was the statement
limited to pitching?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No the hitters also suck, probably even more so.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
was the statement limited to baseball?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
all my statements are limited to baseball
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
then continue your distrustful ways Mr. Gurnee :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 1, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that what they slipped into the beating witness’ salad?
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Other then the fact I’d be dead, the black humor that would follow my death would surely make me laugh.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We’ll laugh for you
Providing we’re here to do it
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The only accurate word in this comment is “settled”.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Heh
I was gonna make a debt crisis comment, but didn’t wanna get political.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We avoid it when we can.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 1, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
at least zack lee had a good start!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Rubby proving concept of TINSTAPP. He’ll bs ready when were ready to contend again in 2013 tho and he’ll be throwing 115 so that’s cool.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 1, 2011 10:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Right on Xeifrank
Time to move on to the next round of the contest
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame this on Rubby's new number
Fuck 41 forever
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Rubby's pitch counts in his starts
96, 82, 85, 100
99, 98, 98, (All-Star break)
88, 113, 103.
Doesn’t seem egregious. Although the 113 pitch start did see surprising at the time.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think just as
or more importantly how much of a struggle were the innings that those pitches occurred in. He didn’t seem to have too many outings where he just cruised to those pitch counts.
Like when a reliever goes over 20 pitches in an inning.
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
HIndsight I know
But seems Mattingly and Honeycutt could have eased him in a little more. We weren’t going anywhere this season anyway. I still think he may be too reliant on his fastball though. Or maybe he had a problem with mechanics?
in better news there are a bunch of sad and worried giants fans on tram
I am on as we speak. this and kershaw CG are small consolat prizes for the depressing dodger season but we look for comfort where we can.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Aug 1, 2011 10:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Not the end of the world news
TJ is not all that bad anymore its just annoying to wait a year to see them. I have confidence he will come back. Plus this will give Zach Lee some development time to set up that elite 2013 rotation.
We already punted a season with a legit Cy Young and MVP, we going to do two years in a row. If so might as well trade Kemp now.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
but we’ll want him in 2013 when the team is good
by StolenMonkey86 on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
assuming Mr. Ned is out sometime in 2012
by StolenMonkey86 on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy
New owner will make everything better
Just need to accelerate the process
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 1, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Concern?
Is anyone concern that Mattingly is overworking Kershaw? I know he’s pitching great and our bullpen stinks, but given that this season is lost what is the practical point of having him go 8/9 innings and 100+ pitches every start?
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