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Eugenio Velez & The Hitless Wonders

Spoiler alert: this resulted in an out.

Eugenio Velez is a popular topic this week in the wonderful world that is the 2011 Dodgers. With his two hitless at-bats on Wednesday against the Phillies, Velez is now 0-for-21 in his time as a Dodger. I wrote a bit about Velez for SB Nation Los Angeles on Wednesday, and Jon Weisman of Dodger Thoughts noted that if you include the end of last season with San Francisco, Velez is hitless in his last 30 at-bats.

But for my purposes, I am only concerned the Dodger portion of the futility of Velez. At 0-for-21, Velez trails only J.D. Drew's 0-for-25 among Los Angeles position players for the worst start to a Dodger career. If we expand our horizons to include Brooklyn, we find that the only other Dodger since 1919 with a longer hitless streak to open his Dodger career was Gene Moore, a right fielder who began at least 0-for-22 in 1939 (play-by-play data isn't available for all games in 1939, so I'm not sure when Moore got his one hit when he went 1-for-3 on April 29).

Including pitchers, the list gets a little more fun. Since 1919, Mark Hendrickson had the worst batting start to his Dodger career, with his 0-for-42 covering 2006 and 2007. Here are the worst starts to Dodger careers, otherwise known as the benchmark for Velez to shoot for.

Worst Starts To Dodger Career
Player Year(s) Hitless AB
Mark Hendrickson 2006-2007 42
Hideo Nomo 1995 33
J.D. Drew 2005 25
Bob Miller 1963 25
Leon Cadore* 1919 23
Stan Williams 1958 23
Jon Garland 2009,2011 23
Gene Moore* 1939 22
Harry Shriver* 1922 21
Eugenio Velez 2011 21
Since 1919

In the case of Cadore, Moore, and Shriver, there is no play-by-play data for games so each streak may have been an at-bat or two longer. You may remember Cadore as the man who matched innings with Joe Oeschger of the Boston Braves for 26 innings on May 1, 1920. Cadore, not surprisingly, was 0-for-10 in that game.

Garland has a unique case because (a) he is the Grover Cleveland of this list, with two non-consecutive seasons; and (b) we all saw with our own eyes when he hit a single to right field in Pittsburgh on May 12. That hit even drove in a run, but it was all for naught since the game was rained out after just two frames. That hit, had it counted, would have ended Garland's Dodger hitless streak at 18 at-bats.

That leaves us with Velez, halfway to Mark Hendrickson. Godspeed, Eugenio.

Thanks as always to the great Baseball-Reference.com.

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I’m going back to the old Verizon job for the better hours so I can start going back to school again :)

Perks of this are no weekends, 8-4:30 hours, and TBLA during the day! lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

You are damn fucking right you are going back to school

school, fuck yeah!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

I figured it’s time to get some better hours and by doing so I can actually take some night classes. I’ve just gotta decide what classes I want to take. I’m thinking hopefully 2 for the fall, possibly a history class, math class, and/or writing class.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Earache my eye, how would you like a butt-ache!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Education is so overrated.

Ray Davies disagrees

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite 100 percent yet

But likely 1 or 2 nights for 2 nights monday through thursday. Thanks

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's some Velez

that Eugenio Velez

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

First Catch-22 reference since spring training?

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers are the proof of Dunbar's theorem

Just watching that sorry-ass team slows time down and makes our lives longer.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is there a game tonight?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think so

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Just not involving the Dodgers

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

beat me to it

was typing that as your reply popped up

What me worry?

by MammothDodger on Aug 11, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels are at Yankees, Chargers are hosting the Seahawks, Little League World Series Regionals, Cheerleading competitions

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

someone should tell that to Fox Sports West, who have an Angel game scheduled

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

true!

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

True or false

We would rather have Andruw Jones hitting than Velez?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

fact

We would rather have [anyone] hitting than Velez?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is tough

Yuniesky Betancourt?

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

has he gone 0 for the season?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s hot hot hot

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Hideo Nomo the Grover Cleveland Alexander of the list?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Aug 11, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

did he pitch

hungover?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Galaxy took the beat reporters out to lunch today, I cannot recommend Simmy’s Pub enough. One of the best restaurant burgers I’ve ever had. I’ve eaten at two restaurants on Manhattan Beach blvd, both were some of the best meals I’ve ever had, and it’s got a Peet’s coffee!

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Cafe Pierre is pretty good.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll have to try it

the other place I’ve eaten is Rock’n Fish. Which, awesome name, but also some bitchin fresh fish and you’re right against the water

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool

Cafe Pierre

I really appreciate the existence of a whole street of local restaurants serving quality food.

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ate

there about 1000 years ago.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back to last thread

Top 100 SciFy – Fantasy Books

I strangely have read 29 of the top 50, but only 2 of the next 50.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm stalling out 2/3s of the way through Stranger in a Strange Land right now

after loving the first 1/2

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then don’t read Time Enough for Love

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

because opinions I’ve seen elsewhere is its better.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It might be, but a lot of the idea’s you may be having trouble with in the second 1/2 of Stranger might really throw you for a loop in the 2nd half of Time Enough For Love.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its not so much that the ideas he is presenting are problematic to me

I’m just bored having them spelled out so much. Its just dragging and needs to kick back into gear a bit.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also one of my favorite was David Brin’s Uplift series.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish the world would just leave me alone

so I could read all day…

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ipad

has re-introduced me to reading. I’ve read 4 books in the last 5 weeks, where I hadn’t read 4 books in the last 3 years.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The kindle did the same for me

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

the library did it for me ;D

by mintxcore on Aug 11, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Kindle rekindled your desire to read?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

at least partially

that and re-reading the 7th harry potter book. Damn thing was so heavy it pushed me to trying out th ekindle and I loved it

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d expect these to be big boons for students if they could get all their books that way. Even Elementary Kids carrying 25 pounds of books seems absurd.

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ipad

according to a story on NPR today also allowed publishers to raise their e-book prices since Amazon’s market share dropped.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's good

I’m willing to pay higher prices

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It just feels kinda dated(to ape the term I've seen thrown around about it)

like if I was reading it 40 years ago it would blow my mind but now its just kind of w/e. I loved Starship Troopers for what its worth.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read Glory Road, no mystical idea’s just pure adventure.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ever hit the Foundation Series by Asimov? Or the I, Robot?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read all the Foundation except foundation and earth

and all the robot books including the cave of steel theory. Asimov is a beast.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

quality over quantity

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If The Stand is on that list, Swansong should be too.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Aug 11, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It shouldn’t be on the list. But then I hate Stephen King

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Aug 11, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like King

but then again I haven’t read anything by him since early high school.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it wasn’t for The Stand, the world may never have been introduced to Gary Sinise!

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Aug 11, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw him in the ’92 production of Of Mice and Men. He was good!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

his portrayal of the Mouse on the Motorcycle was epic

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s formula driven but have to say the Dark Tower series was great.

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was unaware until recently how long of a period those books where written over

need to get on reading those.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I made it through the 3rd Tower book (the train ride?), but lost interest in the 4th. Hater when that happens.

Talisman and the Black House by King and Peter Straub were pretty entertaining.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Aug 11, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

trth

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

truth*

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I’ve read three outside the top 40, and 14 within the top 40. I read more Science Fiction when I was much younger, but it seemed to lose its appeal to me for some reason. The only book I’ve read recently that’s on that list is “The Road”.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

A gigantic “no comment” for The Road at #63. I’ve learned no good can come of discussing books on a sports blog :)

by kinbote on Aug 11, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to try with Pale Fire again. It is a difficult to read and requires great concentration, and I made the mistake of picking it up during my busy time.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I need to find Fifth Business. No good book stores near me.

by kinbote on Aug 11, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have also read 14 in the top 40, but only two outside (Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, which was very satisfying, and The Time Traveler’s Wife, which was, y’know, OK, and I’d recommend it, but…)

If I ever decide to do better on this list, most of these books are sitting on the shelf. Bride is way into SF. Her favorite book is #97 on the list.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Guitar hits a bomb off of Verlander.

I guess we can hit the check mark on the question “Can he hit good pitching”.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

not only

does “The Guitar” have a great nickname, he has a great theme song too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OKac0K91p4

by mintxcore on Aug 11, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will there be a review of the Dodgers draft signings after Monday?

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

You are asking if the man who puts together the top 200 prospect list from one team will be doing an overview of the Dodger Draft after signing day?

Is that like asking if Eric is a Dodger fan?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of places to bury a body in and around Las Vegas.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lotta holes

in the desert

/casino’d

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason

I found myself watching the original Rat Pack version of Ocean’s 11 last night on TCM. It is dated and doesn’t do a great job of introducing all the members of the group but seeing Dean sing “Ain’t that a Kick in the Head” is always cool.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

but it probably got a lot of notoriety from it, it was written earlier in 1960 (Music by Jimmy Van Heusen, Lyrics by Sammy Cahn) and initially recorded by Martin with an arrangement by Nelson Riddle.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I rather read a review from a person who doesn’t jump from the next hot thing at the first sign of fire.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

BH was just joking, man. Wow.

by silverwidow on Aug 11, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you playing softball?

are you aware of the picnic/softball game?

If not, check out the fanpost and sign up.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll check it out when I get home tonight.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
You may remember Cadore as the man who matched innings with Joe Oeschger of the Boston Braves for 26 innings on May 1, 1920. Cadore, not surprisingly, was 0-for-10 in that game.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 11, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

You’re only laughing because you remember it first-hand.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil and Kelly were complaining that this Ruth fella was ruining the game with his stupid home runs.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marty did like No, No, Nanette though.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wonder what this is for

From the Quakes:

INF Jake Lemmerman has been placed on the temporary inactive list

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 5:47 PM PDT reply actions  

You know that nickname he has? That. :)

by silverwidow on Aug 11, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about that nickname? Huh?

by latenite on Aug 11, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zach Lee

6 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 7 K

by silverwidow on Aug 11, 2011 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

nice

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take that people who think he doesn't strike anyone out!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ex-cellent!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was

Magic Johnson the Kobe Bryant of his day, getting a coach fired because he didn’t like his ways, asking to be traded?

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Chris Reed signs, says Tony Jackson. A little under $1.6 million.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

is that slot?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

So when is he pitching for the Dodgers? Next Tues?

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that reasonably possible?

"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys

by funkyjam on Aug 11, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude. He is joking.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

i thought I’ve heard teams after they draft in sign picks they just put them on the big league roster, but i guess I’ve been mistaken.

"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys

by funkyjam on Aug 11, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh that happens

Trever Bauer is on the D-backs roster IIRC

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's in Visalia I think

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s on the DBacks 40-man.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s what i meant

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Incredibly rare really

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wednesday is far more likely.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right – steps into the rotation after the season-ending injury to Eovaldi.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think the scenario through beforehand, it won’t happen. Thanks!

by latenite on Aug 11, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, reverse jinx.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

word

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

just halfway there Eugenio!

Chukwudiebere Maduabum FTW!!!!!!!
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by shaqfor3 on Aug 11, 2011 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

so

we probably won’t get an announcement of who was called up until tomorrow right?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

to take Skinny Swag’s place on the roster.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

They should give him 99.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need Sellers on this team

To remind Colletti of what he should be as 8/31 approaches.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

boom

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

I was looking for a comment last night because I thought I may have said once “Sellers will never play an inning for the Dodgers” or something close…I came across this, from February 27:

Justin has no shot at making the team
Ned Colletti teams are never Sellers; only buyers.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 27, 2011 2:28 PM PST

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the first two mlb games with eo starting

are free on mlb.tv

does it mean all games started by Eo will be free to watch? :)

/SSS

by wukunlin on Aug 11, 2011 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Dodger sixth round draft picks

In order of most career bWAR:

Matt Kemp – 18.6 (oWAR 18.8)
Shane Victorino – 18.2 (oWAR 14.9)
Mike Marshall – 9.9 (oWAR 13.5)
Edwin Jackson – 9.5
Eric Karros – 9.0 (oWAR 10.6)

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 6:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Up yours shane!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huge 9th inning

In Cleveland. 4-3 Tigers Bottom of the 9th. Tigers are up 2 games on the Indians.

Valverde in for the save. He’s perfect in saves this season.

by Alex41592 on Aug 11, 2011 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

meanwhile

Brewers having some defensive mishaps in the 5th. A ball just barely deflecting off of Fielder’s glove allows Pujols to get to third, and he scores on a WP

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No drama. Indians go 1-2-3. Fall 3 back of the Tigers.

by Alex41592 on Aug 11, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting called in to report on Friday to report to jury duty sucks balls. I’m not feeling our justice system right now (jury duty plus an incomprehensible verdict in a case I was working on)

by UCLADodger32 on Aug 11, 2011 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

had that happen to me once

went down there, waited for soooooooo long, got called to a courtroom, waited for other people being selected, went too long, had to go back on Monday. Get back there on Monday, get in the courtroom

Case was dismissed.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I’m not going to get picked for a jury, but the process still sucks. The same thing happened to me last time, a 2 day ordeal for a settled case. I really, really hope I dont have to go in Monday.

by UCLADodger32 on Aug 11, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would much rather know definitely what day I was being called in, so I can plan around it. Giving potentially up a week just seems silly in an era of instant messaging.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if lawyers could only communicate in 140 characters or less? Might make for some interesting litigation, or at least an SNL skit.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

As

UCLADodger knows or will learn, you only wish cases moved as fast in real life as they do on TV. Heck, I have been in trial where opening statements take close to two hours to go through.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Useless Trivia - Shortest career in MLB to hit for a career cycle

Jerry Brooks, a 12th round pick of the Dodgers in ’88, got a September cup of coffee with LA in ’93 and collected a double and a homer, going 2 for 9 for the season. In ’96, with Florida, he made his only other MLB apperances, also in Sept. He notched a triple in his second game, then hit a single in his penultimate plate appearance in the majors. 16 career PAs, 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, 1 homer, the only man to have exactly one of each kind of hit in his career.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my top 10 favorite movies.

by latenite on Aug 11, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here are Stetson Allie's numbers so far this year

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa548192&position=P

I remember some people wanting him back in the 2010 draft in the first round. I’m so thankful we took Lee. Yes it’s a SSS, but Lee looks like he’s got so much more control (obviously the control will go down, but Lee is a control guy so far, i’m loving it).

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

The policy of no local games for non-sold out stadiums is a dumb policy.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you get the city of San Diego to buy up unused tickets for Chargers games, it sure pushes it over the goal line.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

yes it is

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

Have Sunday Ticket and currently live in a city with no local team, no blackouts for me.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp just robbed the shit out of me while playing against the Dodgers on the show

lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

He should be giving it back to Jay Bruce

What a catch, lol.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know how many of you get print media anymore

i.e. Sports Illustrated. But I can’t decide if i love this picture or hate it

by Greg Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

On one hand a gnat is getting hit in the face,

on the other, it is Carlos fucking Ruiz doing the hitting. I am conflicted.

by Greg Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The picture didn't come up for me

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it’s Hope Solo covered in body paint, repost.

by kinbote on Aug 11, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just saw Dre at Picca in the West side. Was taken aback more by his wife.

by Julio Nievas on Aug 11, 2011 7:46 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

the hell is a college kid doing at Picca?

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trying to impress a girl?

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

Mean to go there soon

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really great place BH. beef heart is tasty

by Julio Nievas on Aug 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Ethier’s probably are too.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dre is a regular there when Dodgers have the day off at home, according to the manager

by Julio Nievas on Aug 11, 2011 10:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, we know how to find Josie in the future.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not even gonna lie, that was my first thought

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stalking.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw

Andre and his wife at a breakfast place in San Diego back when Manny was coming back.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ask his baby’s name? ;)

by kinbote on Aug 11, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is Chris Reed gonna start pitching in the minors this year?

gotta start stretchin out that arm

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Doubtful. He was a reliever in college. They’re probably going to get him started on a throwing program. He might see some sort of action in Ariz. instructional league.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

MSTI

said he was going to Rancho

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that's because

Tony Jackson said it

Reed will attend Friday night’s game at Dodger Stadium between the Dodgers and Houston Astros and is expected to be made available to the media either before or during that game. Shortly thereafter, he will report to the team’s advanced Class A affiliate in Rancho Cucamonga, two levels higher than where collegiate draft picks usually begin their careers.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I know nothing.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was a good guess

and usually you woulda been right

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

/fasttracked

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good news: my iPhone is completely clean

Bad news: the phone is clean because I left it in my pocket before doing laundry

by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2011 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh man. I am trying desperately not to do that, myself — especially now, a month before they come out with a new one and I upgrade.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got my smartphone 9 months ago. It came out around this time last year, and I already feel its horribly outdated.

by Tripon on Aug 11, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like I don’t come anywhere near close to exploiting my iPhone3 to its capacity. I see no need for me to rush to upgrade.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every other revision has worked for me so far.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t even remember what I had before the iPhone3. Something with physical buttons. Quaint.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Iphone 3? I was sick of my Iphone 3 a year ago. I love my Iphone 4, and I know I don’t need the Iphone 5 when it comes out, I just hope I’m not one of those people that spends needless money on it. I’ll be busy spending needless money on video games :) lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have the iPhone 3G and it is slowing down. I am looking forward to the iPhone 5. Plus, Bride has a phone with button and she is like, fuck this shit, I need an iPhone. So we will both get the iPhone 5.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have the exact same situation. Bring on the iPhone 5!

I am a little app crazy. I no longer play non-app video games.

If only all the starfish could be Dodgers.

by EJ Rankin on Aug 11, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 3g was cool for a while

But it’s just too slow. When I worked on fixing them 2 jobs ago, sometimes they could take up to 5 minutes just to reboot and over a half hour to delete all content and restore. Freaking annoying…

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

i remember

when my desktop took 4+ minutes to just START UP netscape (and you had to close all your other programs like IRC, AIM, and email…. haha)

by mintxcore on Aug 11, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how far it's come in such a short amount of time

Technology that is.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was

maybe 12 or 13 years ago, maybe 14. so kinda old.

but what was weird was thinking about not even CONSIDERING ipads when i was getting my masters as “tech for the classroom”. and that was recent!

by mintxcore on Aug 11, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude.

I punched cards and stored paper tapes. I received a computer science / math degree in 1983. Everything I learned is probably taught in one “History of computing” class. Tell me about computer technology advances! The idea of an iPhone is astounding.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

There should be an app called iJohn. It would be a revelation.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking allegorical hallucinations of a revelatory nature.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you were talking about whores.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there any other kind?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

diseased whores.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Syphilis tastes like pumpkin pie.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Thanksgiving kind. On Christmas Day. The following year.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently

someone has beaten me to this idea, although they appear to have missed the “iJohn” naming opportunity.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

“I, John” doesn’t appear in Revelation quite as often as my memory thought. Only like four times. Thought it was like the start of each chapter.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh the Bible? That’s what you were on about?

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it wasn’t whores.

I lost interest when it wasn’t whores.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Revelation as a graphic novel like video app sounds like a trippy idea to me.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm afraid

they can’t do that Dave

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

i can believe that. i was using computers early enough to just be utterly shocked. but not punch cards. im not that old ;D

by mintxcore on Aug 11, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably still just as good at making phone calls.

by fbihop on Aug 11, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I jumped in the pool with mine once. Fortunately you don’t have to spend full price to replace it.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel into my spa while cleaning it with my cellphone (the previous one) in my pocket. Fortunately not that much water got into my jeans front pocket where the phone was, and I scrambled out in an hurry and whipped that phone out faster than a porn star sheds a G-string, so it really didn’t get wet at all. Worked fine.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

While We're On The Subject of Futility

I think I might expand this into a Fanpost, but after screwing around with Play Index I found out that James Loney has gotten more opportunities to fail than any other first baseman of the expansion era.

The guys right behind him: Eric Karros and Wes Parker. We should have a wing dedicated to Hee Seop Choi in the Dodger museum so we can remember that one time we had a first baseman that could hit a dinger.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

What does “most opportunities to fail” mean? Most PA with runners in scoring position, and lowest OPS in those situations? And when you say that Karros and Parker are right behind him, are you implying that those are three of the worst offensive 1B in the last 50 years?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used lowest OPS+ for a first baseman that was still allowed to have a starting job (500 PA). I’ll dig around more to see if someone got injured and was allowed to keep being bad,but right now no one but Travis Lee has been as bad as those three for the first six years of their career.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

…and still been allowed to keep their starting job.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good gosh. I was planning a fanpost of my own, pulling from the New Bill James Historical Abstract this bit about how for years the Dodgers never had a good third baseman, but for a generation that was OK because they had Junior Gilliam…

…but, man, first base is giving third base a run for its money.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was wrong about the Martin non-tender. I don’t see any way Loney’s back.

by kinbote on Aug 11, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah if he had a standard Loney year he’d be back but right now he’s having the second or third worst offensive season for a first baseman ever.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’d have a chance of being back I should say.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

where would the Dodgers be

if Loney was having a standard Loney year?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

A win or two better.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hitting 4th, 5th, and 6th your entire career will do that for you

Ugh.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is crazy — crazy! — is that batting order doesn’t even figure into Reg’s calculations, if I understand correctly.

Loney has been shitty, and allowed to keep his job — AND placed in a valuable spot in the lineup. Man.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I think the main thing is that there’s less good players in baseball than we think there are. Loney might be at the bottom of the list but the amount of guys that are able to hold down a starting job for five years is a small fraction of big leaguers.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I wonder is has it been like this forever?

I realize that’s a dumb question, but basically I don’t remember there being this many horrible players in the league before. The easy answer is that I just didn’t know back then, but it still seems like so many players are just horrible now.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah probably. Bill James lists are a decade out of date now but these are some of the top 100 second basemen of all time: Delino DeShields, Juan Samuel, and Carlos Baerga. Third base has Jim Ray Hart, Jeff Cirillo and Todd Zeile in the top 100.

We only remember the greats and forget how many guys are in the league never even make it to arbitration.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deshields???

Cirillo??? Wow…

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wes Parker, the #95 first baseman of all time, 10 years ago.

Probably does not rank in the top 100 today, but how far could he have fallen? 105? 110?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right. What percentage of big leaguers ever even appear on a Hall of Fame ballot. 1, 2? Just sticking around for a decade is a huge achievement.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Juan Castro ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Beltre

Since he started off so young, do you think he’s got any kind of chance at the HOF? He’s been one of the best fielders of all-time, so I’m sure that’s gotta be taken hugely into consideration there.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

HOF voters are bad at what makes a worthy 2B or 3B. Unless you hit like Schmidt, you’re out.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Kent

yes or no?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You got me. If Lou Whitaker and Bobby Grich aren’t in, I have no idea what a HOF second baseman is. On the other hand, he has the shiny bauble that is the all-time HR record at the position, so maybe that will sway voters. On the other hand, I found it hard to root for him and he played for my team.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also has an MVP. That in and of itself isn’t enough, but it adds to the case. How many 2B have one of those?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

But man: Lou Whitaker. Didn’t we decide last week that Whitaker has a case to be the single best player in baseball history who is eligible for the HOF but not in?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

JEFF BAGWELL!

But yeah Whittaker is right up there on that list.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very borderline. Has a case very similar to Sammy Sosa where he has a nuts peak and not much else. (And they’re about the same there 32.5 five year peak for Kent versus 34 for Sosa)

Kent lasted a little longer than Sosa so I think it’s enough to inch him in but I don’t think it’s a robbery if he misses.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he makes it. Sitting around accumulating value doesn’t mean much to the voters unless you hit a huge milestone like 3000 hits and just has Beltre has two nutso seasons and not much else.

Depending on how long Beltre sits around he might hit 60 WAR which I think is where you start meriting consideration, but HoF voters haven’t shown they give a damn about defense in the past and so much of Beltre’s value is tied up in that, so right now he probably gets 2-3 percent then falls off the ballot.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

give a damn about defense in the past

Unless you are Brooks Robinson.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Ozzie Smith.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. But, on the other hand, is SS different? I am under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that there is not a backlog of SS who deserve to be in the HOF but are not, at least when compared to 2B and 3B. But I could be wrong.

Also, FWIW, Ozzie Smith has the reputation of being the single best defensive ballplayer who ever lived. I don’t know if he is actually that or not — but that is his rep.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

2B has been underrated over the years, probably because of all those easy throws they get to make on so many routine 4-3 ground outs.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, those guys are about it. Mark Belanger and Andruw Jones aren’t gonna get in any time soon though.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Beltre be the equivalent of Ozzie Smith considering both offense and defense?

Correct me if i’m wrong but he’s a HOFer, right?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

As an old dude, I have this piece of widom to impart to you, young dude:

A HOFer is whatever the BBWAA decides it is. Nothing else.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Beltre is a productive player during his entire Rangers career maybe.

Beltre is a total stud but he hasn’t really hit his decline phase and he’s at about +110 on defense, that’s gonna start going down at some point and I’d be shocked if he finished over +130 in his career. By comparison Ozzie was +216 which is just nuts and only three other people in history can claim to be anywhere near that.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus I think you’re overrating Beltre on offense (low on base hurts him a lot) and underrating Ozzie.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

.262/.337/.328

I don’t think I’ve underrated him at all on offense.

As for Beltre’s OBP, it’s right under the usual league average, which is usually in the low .330s from the numbers I’ve seen in the past. Beltre doesn’t have hall of fame offensive numbers, but couple his above average offensive numbers with his elite defense and I think he’s got a shot if he has about 3-5 more good years.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok

He has to have at least 5 more good years.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

To have a shot*

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brooks Robinson played in a few World Series to get some national recognition/hype for his defensive prowess.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Was Robinson really better defensively than, say, Graig Nettles?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the metrics (and huge grain of salt here of course) but Brooks Robinson was 40 runs better than anyone at any position ever.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess that answers my question with a “yes, he was.”

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it’s amazing. The defensive leaderboards go

Brooks Robinson
(Huge gap)
Ozzie Smith
Mark Belanger
Andruw Jones
(Huge gap)
Roberto Clemente

I wish I could have seen Robinson play

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember their ‘69 – ’71 WS appearances. ’71 had Brooks, Belanger and Clemente from your list. Of course, I didn’t have the appreciation that I would now, but I was told by Curt Gowdy and Tony Kubek that they were great.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was a disaster his first four years but you’re really under estimating replacement level for shortstops in the 80s.

.303/.392/.383 doesn’t seem impressive but this was a +5.5 year which is basically what Kemp has contributed so far this year.

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we talking peak years though or overall?

Because I think Beltre certainly has a huge margin of win in both. Obviously Smith makes up for it with his d, but I think they will be close by the end of Beltre’s career overall.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously Beltre has 2004 and 2010 but here’s Ozzie’s best five year run: 5.7, 5.3, 7.1, 5.5, 6.3. This blows any five year stretch from Beltre out of the water. If Beltre repeats this year for the next four, he’ll catch up. Otherwise, Ozzie’s gonna win.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

As

Someone who spent a chunk of his baseball life watching the PED era, you need only look back when half of baseball was played on carpeted fields in symmetrical ballparks.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now

There have been poor hitting catchers but Jeff Mathis, who only has around half of Loney’s PA, will give those guys a run for their money.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mathis has Bill Bergen to keep him out of the bottom of these kind of lists :)

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

Dodger Thoughts had this tidbit on Loney:

Worst OPS in NL since All-Star break: .416.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

that hurts to contemplate

I can’t imagine numbers that bad

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Picture James Loney in April…

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you are going to bad, be historically bad!

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was so close to being average...

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

My motto for the TBLA softball picnic!

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLBN Prime 9 rookie call ups

Dee was #4

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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

A lot there that I didn’t know.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is awesome
The Devil Rays’ scouting director, Cam Bonifay, was the GM in Pittsburgh when the Pirates drafted and signed Bautista. His time with Tampa Bay left quite the impression. “I can’t remember that far back,” Bonifay says. The Rays’ GM at the time, Chuck LaMar, couldn’t recall any specifics, either. “If we had him,” LaMar says, “I guess we’re part of that success story.”

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

jesus

and he got to be a gm?

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

just noticed

Raffy had a HR today

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I noticed as well. But only because he’s on my fantasy team.

by fbihop on Aug 11, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Raffy

If only all the starfish could be Dodgers.

by EJ Rankin on Aug 11, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am so bored with my current PS3 video games

Does anyone have any recommendations on any new, good games?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Cal dynasty. Oxymoron?

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal has not been to a Rose Bowl in my lifetime.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rose Bowl is lame anyway. I mean Texas won it.

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sour grapes Josie Fox, sour grapes.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've thought about getting that actually

I love dynasty mode. But I’d probly take one of the few worst schools in the game and build them up into a sick team. So Cal might just work ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

iChallenge you to an eChallenge. You must take Ohio University and turn them into a powerhouse.

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've done it with Idaho

I turned them into a juggernaut! :) I’ll see about getting the game tomorrow if I can and take Ohio U and see what I can do with them

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's what

I mean I get it, it’s a video game, but they put those recruiting difficulties on, where like you can’t pitch a guy on facilities if they’re crap, but you have no money to invest in things like better facilities. That game drives me crazy nuts

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Yeah, basically you just have to kill whoever you play when you have them come out to a game, that is a huge boost.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

right? Which I guess I the only school recruiting me was North Dakota State and I saw them whomp on Southern Baptist, I might be impressed or something?

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you never played the original infamous

that

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll have to check that one out as well

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

braid

limbo

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is that?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

two different indie games

that can be had cheap. Braid is a puzzler with platforming, and limbo is similair. Limbo has a super creepy atmosphere. There fairly short little games, but pretty great nontheless. If you haven’t played uncharted yet kill yourself, and then go play it.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you’ve got several years to devote to it, Street Fighter IV AE.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haven't really been into the fighting games honestly since Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat on Supernintendo

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can get those on the psn market proably

and nostalgia it up

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

wish Mega Man Legends

was on there

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but

the NFL is ridiculously boring to write about. Everything happens in a bubble, it’s like trying to describe my favorite page in a novel

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone know any good underappreciated shows (preferably comedies) on Netflix or Hulu. I’ve been through Party Down and Kitchen Confidential so I’m watching Seaquest right now and somehow this show is worse than I remember.

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh theres this unknown thing called Arrested Development...

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I’ve already been through that five times :)

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

uh…. Dollhouse is on there apparently so if you want to watch 5 shitty episodes to get to 1 and a 1/2 mostly good seasons of tv thats a good one

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

CDamages was supposed to be good wasn't it?

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dollhouse had 1.5 mostly good seasons? I missed that and I watched religiously.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

zing?

I liked it. I can see where one would not. It had those two episodes with Patton Oswalt at least.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did Caprica and it didn’t make that show good.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Caprica was the worst waste of space, which gives me no hope for Blood and Chrome

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

So many people I know and respect raved about Caprica that I kept trying to give it a go...

and it constantly bored me to tears. Glad to hear y’all felt the same, I feel less out of it now.

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by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I hate everything. I was bound to be right one of these days!

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

completest nerds

oh I liked BSG, so I have to pretend to like Caprica.

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still haven't been able to get myself to watch The Plan

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’s a clip show, with b footage to fill the gaps

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

never bothered with that one

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like it went serial and everyone was like “This is amazing!” but in truth it took itself way too seriously for a Whedon show with a clearly Whedon concept

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it had some really good episodes

notably whenever Elizha Dushku was off the screen a lot, and a lot of inconsistent episodes, mostly when elizah dushku was on the screen…

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

worse actors then Eliza on that show: the entire Senator Perin arc.
actors better than Eliza: Amy Acker, Miracle Laurie, Topher!, Olivia Williams, Boyd.

The problem is…the cast Eliza Dushku as the lead

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

they did kinda near the end put her 90 percent of the time in bad ass chick mode which is where she is best and let others take the lead, ubt by then it was too late.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see SMG in that role, but she was best on Buffy when allowed to show her comic timing. I can’t really think of anyone who would have made a good, lead, non broken doll. Maybe if they made it about Enver and his chick. They were awesome

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

the ending was also retarded

the SPOOOOOOOOOOOILERS villian was obviously correct even if he was crazy and they basically are responsible for the fucked up future that came to pass for blowing up humanitys one chance at avoiding the holocaust.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES!

Exactly what I was going to say. My next one would be Heroes (not a comedy but underappreciated IMO).

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first season is plenty appreciated

and the rest… well they obviously lost their way there.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The writers strike killed the show in season 2

It was poised for something epic. Adam Monroe was a brilliant character. The finale was rushed so poorly for both the first season and the second season. Season 3 started off great, and then the “fourth” season could have been epic, but just bad decisions all around fucked it. The last season was just awful.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly the 2nd season at the end seemed like it was getting good

but everything after that felt bungled. They never planned ahead so they had to keep finding ways to keep their overpowered characters in check and it got annoying.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did not miss that show leaving

my wife liked it, I was so pleased to have it gone

these are the challenges of a one tv household

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both my wife and I really liked that show. I found it a pleasure to look at, and like the contrived dialogue, although I had to warm up my ears and brain before each episode to get ready to listen to lines delivered so fast.

Saw Amalie later and realized where some of the visual inspiration came from.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for that word

Have you ever seen “Moonlighting”, the old TV show?

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

it birthed us Bruce Willis and I will never forgive it for that

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

but Bruce Willis as John McLane made Die Hard

which is one of the best movies of all time!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can say Die Hard was one of the best movies of all time, and I can say that no great movie has been made since 1976, and we can be equally right. Both are overstatements.

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

truly

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Die Hard is one of the great action movies of all time

its the Citizen Kane of the action in a _ movies

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Die Hard is a good movie. I like Die Hard. I got nothing against Die Hard.

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

aye

calling it one of the greatest movies of all time might be reaching. Calling it one of the greatest action movies of all time feels right.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, but Cybil Shepard! Even with the soft-focus lens.

I had an English prof that said that Cybil Shepard, at a certain age, would be the perfect Daisy Miller.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cybil is Last Picture Show is fresh peach pie with lots of homemade whipped cream

Cybil in moonlighting had to be shot through panty hose because you didn’t want to see it any other way. That show in HD would have made people sick

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cybil was 35 when Moonlighting debuted, ten years older than me, so a perfect cougar projection. 35 looks mighty good to me these days.

I have actually never seen The Last Picture Show. I really should get around to that.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 80s version of that technique, screwball-comedy homage style. Dated, but I watched the first few episodes on DVD the other day and they were fun enough.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

some fly by day

Al Jarreau was big briefly around then.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That shit was crap

lol. Fuck the writers! Or the people who paid them!

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by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

how dare you impune seaquest

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Roy Schnieder hamming it up is the highlight of the show…

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

have you seen Spaced? Ooo or Coupling?

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

iis spaced on netflix or hulu?

cause if it is fuckign tell me know i’ve wanted that since forever

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could not get into Spaced, but I’ll vouch for Coupling.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strike that, reverse it (for underdog) ;-)

reg you’ve probably seen most of the ones I’ve seen… including of course Freaks and Geeks. (And Undeclared if you’ve not seen it.)
Of comedies…
Black Adder is a good suggestion. Newsradio. Taxi. The Dana Carvey show (that we discussed here the other day). Parks and Rec.

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by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dana Carvey show fascinates me.

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I said here it's uneven but quite hilarious at times and so much future comedy stars on it!

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by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seen Spaced, not Coupling. On Netflix?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only in America but...

Black Adder?

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you been through the classics of the 1970s? All in the Family, MASH, Mary Tyler Moore… Taxi…

I know, they ran forever in syndication, and it seems like those shows are kind of a joke now, but really, they are great.

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ted Baxter FTMFW

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and Barney Miller.

You ask cops of a certain age what show is most like being a cop, and they invariably say Barney Miller.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fish was a family favorite

the character, not the show

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surprisingly, never saw Fish the show. Heard terrible things.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen the highlights, but I feel like I should watch more Taxi.

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by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The underappreciated Barney Miller.

Speaking of, sometime this month I am seeing a small theatre production of On Golden Pond, starring Hal Linden and Christina Pickles. Saw a couple table read candid photos and Linden looks pretty good for 80.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, Barney Miller. It ran on WSBK 38 out of Boston on the nights when they didn’t show the Red Sox game (including all winter), so I saw a lot of Barney Miller.

That show rules.

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

We loved Steve Landesberg as Dietrich. So SO dry. We wanted to see him star as some trench-coated detective/spy in a comedic film noir. It could have been so good.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

When he died, I went back and watched some old clips of Steve Landesberg as Dietrich, and I realized that I had modeled my entirely adult personality on his performance as that character.

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by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

No wonder I like you!

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I watch reruns of The Dick Van Dyke show, I can really see the genesis of so many of the sitcoms that follow. The difference between the writer’s office of that show and the MTM newroom is not that great.

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by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you can stomach anime

fullmetal alchemist was pretty good

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brotherhood

or the original?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The original

i’m stilly only 12 episodes into Brotherhood, and right now its basically recaping the first half of the original but slightly different, so I can’t say. I’ve seen a lot of people say they liked brotherhood better in the end, but right now its tooooo anime for me, like they do the stupid go crazy and make stupid weird faces too much. I’m sure the japanese find it hilarious, but I do not.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brotherhood is closer to the manga

i’m sure a little further into it you’ll find how it differs from the original show

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by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm about an episode away from that happening from what I understand

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

word

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is on streaming

no f’ing clue what it is though.

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by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love FLCL

but yeah, it’s crazy stuff. Comedy, but you might not enjoy it if you had complaints about FMA that you did

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am old

I had to google FLCL.

After googling, my reaction was, “I would hate this show with a violent passion that would burn with the fire of a thousand suns.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

old nothing

it’s a japanese cartoon that is extremely silly and waaaaaaaay out there. it’s not really something I think I could recommend to someone who hasn’t watched a lot of anime.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

DBacks win in extras on walkoff by Young, now in 1st by full game on Giants.

I’m no Arizona fan but I will certainly chortle heartily if Giants blow this weak-ass division.

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by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

i will join you in a chortle

i may even guffaw

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 11, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look, now, Charlie, give me a big laugh here.

Yeah … uh, now give me a like a medium-size chuckle here, and then a big hand.

{name the movie!}

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by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

blow this weak-ass division like a dead-eyed Russian whore.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I saw that arthouse flick.

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by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

no surprise trying to look that up

brings up Archer quotes

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Archer is pretty hilarious

Oh! Reg, Archer season 1 (about 10 episodes) is on Netflix. I’d recommend that if you don’t have a problem with overly stupid main characters.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just got through that, it’s one of the best first seasons for a comedy I’ve ever seen.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Season 2 was even better. Archer is awesome

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you don’t have a problem with overly stupid main characters.

No one that comments on this blog should.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus thats like

the point of the show! Man its gut busting funny stuff.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

FX is ruling it with dark comedies these days

with Archer, Louie and Wilfred (and Sunny, for those who are fans).

Speaking of which, 10 minutes til Louie!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The League is the best show on TV right now too.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this the Norman Lear unsold pilot that someone (Ken Levine?) was tweeting about today?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did I word that right?

It’s supposed to be a poke at the writers here, as well as at the McCourts, Colletti, Selig, Torre/Mattingly……..

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you did that well, haha

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who do I remind you of

Lana. Lana. LANA!!!!!!!!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

too tired to Z

what the hell we talking about around here?

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

underrated tv shows

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cancelled shows

I liked that really slow spy show on AMC that they killed

and Carnivale on HBO

and Arrested Development

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm almost glad Arrested Dev got cancled

though it would have been nice for it to have a couple more seasons. I just find most comedies run out of steam after their first few seasons, Arrested Development got to go out strong.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would have been hard for it to have any real good story line after a while

But hey, Seinfeld had like 9-10 seasons and went out on top too. Oh well.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

TV shows are good as we get to know the characters

but over time the characters begin to get reduced to caricature, writers lean on gimmick, and thus starts the slow decline into sucking

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whores.
The Ethiers at Picca.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

My contribution – want to find a whore in a strange city, ask the bellman of a good hotel

he’ll point you to the type of girl you’d like to meet

under no circumstances ask the cabbie

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean, talk to people?

Can’t there be an app for that?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can only imagine the names of those apps.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

not talking from experience, but I would imagine you’d want someone to vouch for what was knocking on your door at 2AM

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean you shouldn’t go to the bar and argue the merits of Ozzie Smith vs. Adrian Beltre?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

save that charming banter for when you get her back to the room

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Churn that in your mind to make it last longer and get your money’s worth.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's how I get all my girls...

to run away and never look back.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

No opinion on Picca?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

haven't been...

recently dined at

Jar – awesome, 50’s vibe but not kitschy, best damn oxtail
Sotto – pretty good southern Italian food, have some obscure dishes done well
Rosewood tavern – good room, good beer list, my food was eh, but I really didn’t order well, who eats chicken liver pate at a tavern?
The Leopard (NYC) – some of the the best sicilian food I have had outside of Sicily or my mothers kitchen.

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

Ordered a burger at Rosewood Tavern. The excitement of that visit was a couple skipping out on their tab only to be chased down by the petite blonde waitress who collected their payment. Not sure if they gave a tip.

Next week, I will be at the local foodies equivalent of Yankee/Red Sox, Ludo Bites pop up in downtown.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

looking forward to the review

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 12, 2011 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Josie's Brit Slang Phrase of the day

Get one’s kit off = take off your clothes, but only used in sexual context

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Winter's Bone

better then The Kings Speech.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

But a super indie will never win best picture

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

truth

at this point I’ve liked all the nominees I’ve seen better then Kings Speech, which is nice because I liked KIngs Speech a fair bit.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

but as I watched each of them I was like “Oh this is better, but it didn’t win because it was a super indie/”kid’s movie"/had young people/had mean young people/etc

by Josie Becker on Aug 11, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

and a fantastic read

I loved that book – fucking bleak

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I liked them both but Winter’s Bone was terrific.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it a movie about a couple that has sex exactly four times a year, roughly equally spaced?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stonehenge – ancient porn set?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

god I hope so, why else set up those who stone phalli

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny pic of Aaron Miles with a fan at bowling tourney tonight

http://lockerz.com/s/128812873

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh I guess that dude is actually a musician of some sort.

Got a cool pic with Kemp, too.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh aaron miles

you skamp

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why are you guys not watching Louie?!

(2nd new one on at 11)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn’t now there were two tonight. Bah. Only saw the second one.

by fbihop on Aug 11, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2nd one was much more depressing (though still great)

1st one had lots of… masturbation.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 11, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow's Simulation/Contest

In tomorrow’s Simulation Contest we are going Eovaldi-centric.

A. O/U Total Runs Scored: 7.5 (1:1)
B. O/U Nathan Eovaldi Strikeouts minus Walks: 2.5 (1:1)
C. O/U Nathan Eovaldi Earned Runs Allowed : 2.5 (1:1)
D. O/U Total hits in game (both teams): 15.5 (1:1)
E. O/U Nathan Eovaldi pitch count: 84.5 (1:1)

F. (Prop bet) Nathan Eovaldi is the winning pitcher: (2:1)
G. (Prop bet) Dodgers hit more than one HR: (3:1)
H. (Prop bet) Which player scores the first run of the game?: (5:1)

by Xeifrank on Aug 11, 2011 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

well then

I’m going to have to get in on this

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on Aug 11, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good night, everybody.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

The gin has had its desired effect?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how Velez is still on the team

You would think we’d have better use for his roster spot…

The more you drink, the less gruesome I look.
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@shadowking011

by Paul Udani on Aug 11, 2011 11:35 PM PDT reply actions  

We could always bring up Trayvon to take the spo...

Oh. lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That said I completely agree

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We just called up Justin Sellers sooooo

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Aug 11, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I realized why Chad is doing so bad this year

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/billich01.shtml

TBLA is their sponsor on BB-reference.com :P

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 11, 2011 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

first time ever that I recall

<————- a hot babe hanging out at TBLA!

(appologies Josie, Maddz, and any others – was a joke, all the ladies of TBLA a lovely to the eye and brain I am sure)

by Hollywood Joe on Aug 12, 2011 6:25 AM PDT reply actions  

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