Dodgers In Milwaukee To Face Hottest Team In Baseball
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 2:40 PM PDT
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The Dodgers open up a 10-game road trip on Monday night in Milwaukee, where they will have their hands full with the Brewers. Milwaukee is the hottest team in baseball, with 16 wins in their last 18 games, and have built a five-game lead over St. Louis in the NL Central. The Brewers are an MLB-best 44-15 at home this season, and they have won 15 of their last 17 games at Miller Park.
Ted Lilly takes the mound, which seems like a scary thought against a team that has 75 home runs in 59 home games this season. However, Lilly has pitched well in his last two starts, allowing three total runs in 14 innings, with two walks and 12 strikeouts. Lilly is 4-1 in seven career starts at Miller Park, with a 2.84 ERA, eight walks and 33 strikeouts in 44 innings. He has six straight quality starts in Milwaukee, dating back to 2008, allowing eight total runs during that span.
Old friend Randy Wolf gets the call for the Brewers, looking for his fourth straight win. He faced the Dodgers once earlier this season, allowing two runs but taking the loss on May 17 at Dodger Stadium. Since singing a three-year contract with Milwaukee prior to the 2010 season, Wolf has lost both starts against the Dodgers.
Lineups
| Dodgers | Brewers | |||
| 2B |
Miles |
RF |
Hart |
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| 3B |
Blake |
CF |
Hairston |
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| RF |
Ethier |
LF |
Braun |
|
| CF |
Kemp |
1B |
Fielder |
|
| LF |
Rivera |
3B |
McGehee |
|
| 1B |
Loney |
SS |
Betancourt |
|
| C |
Navarro |
2B |
Wilson |
|
| SS |
Sellers |
C |
Kottaras |
|
| P |
Lilly |
P |
Wolf |
|
Notes
- On the day of the deadline to sign 2011 draft picks, the Dodgers have reached an agreement with fourth round draft pick Ryan O'Sullivan, a right-handed pitcher out of Oklahoma City University, per Tony Jackson of ESPN LA via Jon Weisman at Dodger Thoughts. The Dodgers have signed their top nine picks and 28 picks overall.
- Over the next four weeks, the Dodgers play 21 road games and six home games.
- The Dodgers have not lost a series in Milwaukee since 2007, and they have won eight of their last 10 road games against the Brewers. The Dodgers are 19-10 at Miller Park since it opened in 2001.
- Juan Rivera has five hits in 14 career at-bats against Wolf, including a double and a home run, hitting .357/.400/.643
- Ryan Braun has three doubles and two home runs in 26 plate appearances in his career against Lilly, hitting .360/.385/.720
Game Time: 5:10 p.m.
TV: Prime Ticket
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Over the next four weeks, the Dodgers play 21 road games and six home games.
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Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
ridiculous!
completely preposterous! I can’t believe you!
It’ll be 11-16 : p
by Josie Becker on Aug 15, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
16-11
Then, in their final 16 games, they go 10-6, and finish the year at .500
WGT
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget - Live Loon Chat with Hugh tonight
Phil,
We’re all set for74 p.m. Monday. Sexton is pitching, so no great shakes there. Was kind of hoping Lee, Gould or Sanchez would pitch, but it’s not their turn.
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Send me questions and I’ll do my best to answer them. If I don’t know the answer, I’ll throw the question out to the other people in the press box to get their opinions.
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The press box people were putting together their own unofficial Great Lakes all-star team … since this is the fifth year of the franchise. Some interesting names and omissions. for instance, can you put Carlos Santana on the team? I know he’s a great prospect and he’s in the Majors, but when he was with the Loons, he was awful … still learning to catch. Same with Trayvon Robinson … major leaguer but blossomed after leaving Great Lakes.
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By the way, I don’t have a problem with the trade of Trayvon Robinson. I think he was a good prospect and maybe the most Major League ready outfielder in the system, but I also believe the Dodgers have a lot of outfield prospects who all kind of rate the same level … Sands (who I believe will end up at first base), Silverio, Russell, Smith and even some guys at Ogden I know they’re high on.
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Catchers are much harder to find that outfielders, which is why I never did like the Santana trade. Plus, the throw-in for the Dodgers was the reliever that’s at the Loons who throws 100. Great arm, but control is iffy. Still, best fastball here since de la rosa.
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Talk to you tonight,
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Hugh
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Rodriguez FTW
Plus, the throw-in for the Dodgers was the reliever that’s at the Loons who throws 100. Great arm, but control is iffy. Still, best fastball here since de la rosa.
Dodgers are taking 3 out of 4
starting with a win tonight. Suck it Phil.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Sure – one of the worst teams in baseball is going to win three out of four against the best team at home who have lost only two games in their last 17 while playing the likes of the Cardinals / Reds. You must think Chad is still an elite pitcher and that Eovaldi is going to throw fastballs by the likes of Hart, Braun, and Fielder.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Reds are 11 out of 1st place so they must suck too :)
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 15, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Suddently Chad is not a good pitcher after a bit of a rough year
After 2 of 3 seasons being a great pitcher, and the one in between just being good?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
don't engage phil when his phasers are set to hate
no good can come of it
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
It sucks to see people down on Chad :(
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Then he shouldn't struggle so much
he goes through too many stretches where he is just horrible. Overall he is good, but sometimes he drives me nuts.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
For instance
As a fulltime starter Chad is averaging (by taking the WAR of his last 4 seasons and dividing by 3.75 as this season is not done yet) 3.8 WAR a year. I agree he hasn’t looked good this year, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to having an off year.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
His problem is he goes from being great to being crap
and then back again alot. He is just really inconsistent.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Who is talking about his career?
We are talking about him making a start this week and whatever he’s done in the previous years does not mean squat. RIght now, as we type this, Chad is struggling big time. Big time.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I take it when you say these things is that you are talking about him overall. Perhaps that was wrong on my part.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Well then to be polite you are an idiot if you think I was talking about his career.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
someones got a case of the mondays
/ducks
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Will shit, it is not like my opinion on every single player here has not been out in the open.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
please never take me seriously
when I say something about a case of the mondays. If I ever say that non-ironically I will have to kill myself.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No disagreement on the idiot part
But as you said you’ve been down on Chad for a while now from what I remember, so it seemed as if you were speaking not only about his next start but about his future as well.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I have not decided what I think about his future. He’s been hot and cold this year month by month. Thing with pitchers no matter how great they have been, things happen. Right now his K rate is dropping, his walk rate is going the wrong way. His past is not really much of an indicator of what his future is going to be. I’m more interested in the present predicting the future.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That makes sense and I can understand it
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
To be fair to Phil
All he said was Chad is not elite. Not that he wasn’t good. Averaging 3.8 WAR is not elite.
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair point
I dont know, though, how many people had said chad was elite? 3.8 definitely is not elite, but it sure as hell is very good-great.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
fairer point
going into this particular game against one of the best hitting teams at home in baseball Chad has given up 21 hits in 16 innings along with 10 walks. 31 baserunners in three starts with only six K’s is a recipe for a loss. JMO, your opinion may vary depending on if you think he stops that trend this week.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
As far as my opinion of chad
I think he can stop a losing streak at any given start. He has been streaky as Nolander has said the last few years, but when he’s on he’s on.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Man I swear if you say someone is not elite instead of solid the world falls a part.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I never thought Chad was elite, though definitely a good number 2 starter.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I thought he headed that way. The way he ended 2008 and started 2009 I thought he would be Jason Schmidt in his prime. It didn’t work out that way, but he’s still solid.
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not to say the book on Chad is closed
Schmidt didn’t put up elite numbers (6.7 WAR) until 2003 when he was 30 years old.
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Running this comp all the way into the ground
Schmidt didn’t have a WAR greater than 4 until 2002 at 29 years old (4.4 WAR.) Chad has already done it twice; in 2008 (4.4) and 2010 (4.6.)
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
So your saying we should trade Chad for nothing
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
this only means
Ned will sign him to play with the Cubs and his shoulder will proceed to detonate.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I thought he would have been a very good number 1 starter for a while
But the walks seem to be killing him like it use to for Kershaw.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I'm not sure he is better then a 3 anymore
he is too inconsistent. Kuroda is our 2
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
We need to spend the next hour debating the differences between a number 2 and a number 3.
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
what else are we going to do?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
That's exactly what I'm talking about
4.6 WAR last season, that is a definitely a number 2 starter, and a great one at that. One off year and he’s not better than a 3 starter? Come on.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
and the year before that he had a horrible horrible horrible 2nd half
maybe he is a 2.5. Either way I’m not happy with how inconsistent he is.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Kuroda is freakish with his consistency though. Most pitchers have swings.
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
as big as chad does though?
I mean he is either ON or just getting lit up.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don’t think that’s true. He has plenty of average starts, I think you’re getting skewed by the last month where he was dominant in Arizona and then got bombed the next two.
And yes, I would be willing to bet that many pitchers have as big of swings as Chad, we just recognize it more because of how good he can be and because you’re comparing him (understandably) to a guy like Kuroda who doesn’t have the highs or lows.
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
5.21 ERA 86 ks 47 BB 98 hits 103 innings
After an awesome first half
2.72 ERA 93 ks 39 bbs 3 hr 75 hits 92.2 Innings
Just as bad as he was in the second half he was that good in the first half.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
so you agree?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I agree he has shown inconsistencies
And he’s shown to be dominant. I’d take him over someone like Sanchez from the Giants, as another pitcher who can be dominant or terrible.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
people are touchy about chad
not necessarily for no reason, but touchy nonetheless.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I am officially calling both adjectives off-limits. Nobody may call Billingsley “elite” or “solid” for the next 24 hours, or suffer the Wrath of Kavula.
Instead, I offer this contest: 4,047 Kavulapoints to the funniest/most random/weird adjective to describe Chad.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I expect such shenanigans from the Meercat, but from you, Phil? Really?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Camelesque
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
up and down
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Playing off his hometown… I like it!
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked billowy better
plus he has a pillow-y shape and it rhymes
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Gonna have to give it to berkowit.
4,047 Kavulapoints to you, sir! Don’t spend them all in one place.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Why thank you, sir! First 1,233 bounced as “not valid currency” at my local wine store. Donated to the post-McCourt Dodgers Players Acquisition Fund.
I am not a good credit risk.
Also, since everything I post is worthless, so are the points I issue. Sorry about that.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
marshmellowy
in form, function, and demeanor
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I will not make light of it but
RangerBlake John Blake Retweeted by bobtimmermann
Rangers will erect a statue at Rangers Ballpark in honor of Shannon Stone. Will depict he and his son and be titled Rangers Fans.
Didn't somone want to
or mock people wanting to build a statue to the fans at LA Live?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Slightly different circumstances here.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, maybe a (higher) railing would be better.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I object
In all cases when it is common sense versus more protection, I vote for common sense
there should be no need for signs that say “Danger, waterfall”
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If simply being clumsy
can lead to you falling to your death, I see no reason not to raise the railings.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I cannot wait to be equipped with my own plastic bubble as we completely remove darwin from the gene pool on our way to a weaker and more careless species
Only in America, and I speak as someone who has spent considerable time abroad, has the over lawyering of society resulted in an expectation that someone else is already thinking about your well being
used to be that people looked out for themselves
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad you would rather people die
then they simply raise a goddamn railing. Wonderful.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I would really prefer that people wake the hell up – not just about railings either
but we can go through life always assuming that someone else is taking care of preventing us from harming ourselves through stupidity and then cursing those forces when we suffer
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d have no problem going through life knowing that a higher railing saved my life…
At the time this happened there was a lot of talk on here about how stadiums should build ledges in front of every deck. I was against that mainly because of how much it would cost but partially because it wouldn’t stop the morons that jump over the railings that are currently there. I’d have no problem with raising the railing though. It’s a quick and easy fix that can save the lives of people who aren’t being stupid. The stupid people can go ahead and fall ;)
If you raise the railing, people will just climb on the railing to lean over
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 15, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and then if they fall off its their own fault
but the guy just tried to grab the ball.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
slipperly slope you are on here, I hope you got your skis waxxed
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you are smart enough to be able to make the distinction
whether you are willing to admit it or not
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
by nolander on Aug 15, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not seeing why having a rail that you can’t fall over by leaning is an impossibly high standard, and not the purpose of a rail.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
of course you are right, but that is why we need trapeeze netting under everyone and a bell tied to their ass which rings everytime it is higher than their head
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this a straw man?
I believe this is a straw man, but I’m probably wrong.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
by nolander on Aug 15, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But THAT is where Hollywood Joe’s principle comes into play.
I don’t know if this guy’s death was a freak accident or an accident waiting to happen. But I think I can agree with HJ that when you, the spectator, put yourself at unnecessary risk, that absolves the building.
In other words, there is a difference between climbing the safety rail and being where you’re supposed to be and losing your footing.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If you watch the video
you can see the railing simply isn’t high enough. He simply leans forward and flips over it. If HJ really feels we need to Darwin the clumsy people out of the gene pool… well too fucking bad.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I haven’t watched the video, and frankly, I hope you’ll excuse me — I don’t want to see it.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't either
but if I’m going to debate this I feel I have to do it with all the fact at hand, and we arne’t talking about a guy climbing a railing. He leans forward to catch the ball and just… loses his balance and goes over. It could happen to anyone.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
JMO – I think the designer should be darwin’d out of the gene pool. Short railing are paths for disaster.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Too many architects
Are fans of the final scene of The Naked Gun.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
JMO I don’t think anyone less then 5’6 should be allowed to design railings. For one thing the perspective is wrong, for another we like it when the tall people fall over things.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
short people who think tall people have it all
have never had to hunt for an XL shirt through millions of medium smalls and larges. XL is always the first to sell out. And promotional shirts don’t count!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Uh huh
At least the clothes they sell fit you, when they have them. I constantly look like I am wearing my dad’s clothes because I refuse to shop in the boys’ section.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m too lazy and too cheap.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Often times
they design XL shirts for really fat people, so I feel like I’m swimming in them even if the sholders fit right.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I constantly look like I am wearing my dad’s clothes
Because you are now old.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Its not young
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Moot
I’m not in my mid-30s anymore.
I’m in my late 30s.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a 12.5
Vans don’t make half sizes after 12. Its horrible!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
My fat feet are currently resting in a pair of 14 EEEE New Balance shoes.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck off, you get the hotter girls, the pay, the clothes. The only payback is if you live to be 70 gravity just kicks your ass turning your back into a pretzel.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
And what do we tiny trolls get? WE GET CALLED TINY TROLLS, THAT’S WHAT
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I get called Ogre instead of tiny troll
reaaaaaaaaal upgrade there
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Not at the moment
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
FUCK! It looks like my fallback career of Safety Rail Designer is right out.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The railing was the right height
Some people are just too damn tall.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
if you are going to throw balls (and even hit them) to fans you probably need to make it extremely safe for them to lean against/over the rail.
Agreed…I think a netting like in Chicago is the way to go here.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 15, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno if I can get on the HJ train on this one.
Yeah, people should be careful. But when the penalty is death, it’s worth looking at what the mistake is and asking if, y’know, there are reasonable modifications that can be made to try to have fewer deaths.
A higher railing, or a ledge, seems reasonable. Nobody is suggesting that they put up a six-foot solid wall.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the opposite postion is a reasonable one, but I am drawing the line hard and fast on this one
just because one guy died doesn’t mean the building is poorly designed
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno. It doesn’t necessarily mean that, but it might mean that. I don’t think we can dismiss that out of hand.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if no one dies, I’ve sat in the first row of the top section at Staples, and I’ve maintained since 2001 it is poorly designed.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I think Jon Weisman sat somewhere in Staples that worried him about his kids falling over. A year or two later one did.
Just Darwin at work
/sarcasm
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The guy just leaned over. The rails really should go above the average guys center of gravity. If that makes them too high, put a ledge under it.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You shouldn't restrict people freedom
to fall off things and die
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Why do people need to be blocked from things that common sense says “beware”?
I am sorry that this man died, sincerely sorry. Very terrible. But the answer isn’t more safety and prevention
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 15, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that sometimes it is. The answer isn’t always that, but the answer is always to take a good, hard look at it and figure out if the answer is more safety and prevention.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually kind of agree with both POV
problem is more and more people don’t have common sense, I am of the misanthropic view that people are devolving and becoming so dumbed down / intellectually lazy that they have to be saved from themselves.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
This isn't people needing to be saved from hot coffee though
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Argh
Don’t bring up the hot coffee. That woman was totally right — the coffee was dangerous and McDonald’s knew it, had known for years, and didn’t do anything about it.
Instead, that case is brought up as an example of the need for “tort reform.” Excuse me, but no. If you have somebody doing something dangerous, sometimes the courts are the only avenue you have to get them to stop.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for doing this so I didn’t have to. Also keep in mind that the reward only got that high because McDonalds absolutely refused to acknowledge fault.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You are correct
I forgot about the resolution of that case. My apologies. But you get my point.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
A lady brought this up at jury duty last time I was there. She had gotten selected as a potential jurist and was trying hard to get off the case and she played the McDonalds card. The whole room had to listen to one of the lawyers preach for about 15 minutes because he was worried the lady had dirtied the jury pool with the coffee bit. I had no opinion of it.
Because of the impact on family and friends of a preventable accident
In almost all cases you should go the extra mile to make accidents preventable.
Just my .02
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
but that would block kids line of sight.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
then put a ledge or netting
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Fabric canopy’s are the best. Then the drunk fans can bet each other on how far they would bounce if they lept onto them. Also keeps drinks from being poured on fans from above. And spitting. As wrong as it is, whenever I’m up high have the urge to spit.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If the Dodgers wanted to lock up Kershaw this off-season
And buy out a few arbitration years, what number would be needed?
4/55ish seems about right.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Looking at the others
this seems high. I say he gets 30 mils in arb and 35 mils for the two FA years, plus a 23.5 mils option with 6.5 mil buyout.
5/71.5 guaranteed. Potentially 6/88.5.
5 yrs/$79.5M
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I'd like to see something along the lines of
5, 8, 12, 15, 18, 20
So 6/78 million, then an option for 22 million the next season.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Although he's somewhat similar to how good lincecum is, he wasn't as good in the same level of years as Lincecum and doesn't have 2 cy youngs to push his numbers up
His talent is good enough to give him great numbers, but I don’t think he doubles his arb numbers from year 1-2, and then I don’t see him going near 15 in year 3 no matter what. What were you thinking from year to year?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
6-10 is a pretty big jump.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You said 5/85
You think he will get 25 and then 30 in his first two free agent years?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He has four years of arbitration.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh right, not a super two. Changing that 4/55 then.
Let’s go 5/62 then.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Figured he gets an average of 9 per arbitration year, 18 on two free agent years.
This deal comes off the table if we don’t get it done before he hits arbitration though.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep :(
The one upside I can see is that every person that’s started their career with more than 9 K per nine has had their arm explode, so maybe a long term deal isn’t the highest priority.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Little bit from column A….
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The sheer will of Mike Scioscia slowly but surely eroded it.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Lincecum
is unique case, Super Two plus 2 Cy Youngs and now a World Series. He will be arbitration eligible for 2 more years already sitting at $13M floor. He will make over $50M before he is eligible for FA which is pretty remarkable only Ryan Howard tops that as another Super Two.
Must be fun to be Clayton
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 15, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Right around 5 years, $70 million would be my guess.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
amazing
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/15/2364354/santiago-casilla-batting-video-jose-ceda-giants-marlins
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
more comical
than amazing to me. Four pitch walks to batters with the take sign can’t be all that rare.
This was brilliant…trying to force Bochy’s hand with a pinch runner :)
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 15, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Where I come from
that’s known as an Ollie North.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The other video linked to over there
with the Korean pitcher hitting against Randy Johnson and his journey home on the sac bunt is gold. Link of that play (via YouTube sfw).
Dodgers weren’t alarmed when O’Sullivan sheepishly signed the contract with his left hand, after gingerly using his left hand to greet Logan White.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting Ralph Branca story
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The Loon Chat has started
http://www.mlive.com/loons/index.ssf/2011/08/los_angeles_dodgers_single_a_t.html
Tommy’s question was the first one answered:
First base is a good place for Songco, who is not a good outfielder. The Dodgers do have a lot of outfielders who are better than Songco. His route to the Majors is not as an outfielder, it’s either at first or as a DH in the American League. He can hit, so the Dodgers are looking for a place for Songco to play. It gives them some options at first. Sands can also play first, but he’s a much better outfielder than Songco. I’m also not sure Songco is a .311, 24-homer guy that he is right now in Rancho. Hitting stats tend to get elevated there.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Go to the Chat, ask him questions, I’ve got 10 queued up but some are lame.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Gould is the underdog
I asked about him too. I’m rooting hard for him (not that I don’t root for all our guys)
by Michael White on Aug 15, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Gould is a Broncos’ fan?
Fuck that guy!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He thinks Lees ceiling is a 2
uh oh!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Ask him if he thinks Lee will be solid or elite.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 15, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This is from behind the ESPN pay wall, and I don't know if it has been covered today.
Juan Uribe is going to see a specialist about his injury, writes Ben Bolch
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&id=6862661
Put together by buster.
also covered by one of Eric’s posts today.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
OI missed the post:
I will now hang my head in shame.
No need for that
There were a flurry of posts today, and I only linked to a story on Uribe not going on the road trip. The (MLB.com) story itself mentioned the specialist, but I didn’t note it in the post.
Even if I did, it’s all good. I used to get in a huff about Triponing a link (no offense, Tripon!) but there are a ton of comments some times and it’s easy to miss stuff.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Be still my heart
Kenley Jansen will pitch a rehab Sunday with Rancho, then throw again Tuesday. Not sure if Tuesday means rehab (probably IMO) or just a bullpen session.
Please come back soon Kenley
we miss you!
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Aug 15, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Back to back articles whose titles begin "Dodgers In Milwaukee"
What kind of editing staff do we have here?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yeah, I didn’t notice that until after the fact. Fail on my part.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
can we call you Eric Two Times?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
by Pure Azure on Aug 15, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he had a great at-bat vs. Axford on Sat.
looked bad at first then smoked a triple, got stranded there when Diaz and McCutchen BOTH hit first pitch grounders with the infield in. Walker struck out, Bucs lost 1-0.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Thought this was cool - and of course, since I asked the question, it must be a good one.
7:14
Comment From bhsportsguy
How much motivation do the guys get seeing players like Sands, Rubby, and Nate play for the Dodgers a year after playing in the Midwest league?
7:16
Definitely motivated. At first, there’s a little bit of a disappointment for some that they are in Low A instead of High A, but the Dodgers have made it pretty obvious that they don’t really think of it as Low and High. Not only are they motivated by the Loons who turn up in the Majors a year later, they’re motivated by guys like Tolleson, who started at the Loons and is now at Double A.
Mike Scioscia had one of the higher PA totals against Dwight Gooden
72 PA in regular and post-season play. He did hit 2 HR off Gooden which is just one less than a few guys who hit 4 off him in their careers.
Scioscia probably kids Mike Krukow whenever he sees him (in 63 PA against Krukow – .360/.492/ .680 with 3 HR. Even probable HOF John Smoltz .314/.351/.629 and 3 HR in 37 PA.
I love baseball
Delmon Young, who rode to Comerica Park on the Twins’ bus, hit a home run in his first PA as a Tiger.
BTW
one of my friends I saw over the weekend told me his group made their payment for their Laker season tix in April, we are still okay. Just let me know.
Some highlights
Tolleson was the best closer the Loons have had, and they’ve had some good ones. People forget he was a contemporary of Kershaw’s in Texas, but he had Tommy John surgery. As a closer, he is a two-pitch pitcher, cutter and fastball. His cutter is devastating. I believe it will play in the Majors. He does have some other pitches, but rarely do closers go to their No. 3 pitch.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
How hard does he throw said cutter because I’ve heard wildly varying things.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I submitted it for you
but under my name. muahhaha! Wait what?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I will be curious to see how we both phrased the question
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Comment From Phil Gurnee
We have heard varying numbers on the speed of Tolleson’s cutter, do you remember how hard he threw it?
7:36
Comment From Nolander
How hard does Tolleson throw his cutter?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
yours was probably better
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Man, great minds think alike. Tolleson throws a four-seam fastball that sits between 92 and 94. His cutter usually comes in at around 86
What I was scared of.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
what if it moves like
3 feet
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Hopefully. 86 would be one of the slower cutters from a reliever in baseball.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Fangraphs 31 relievers throw a cutter. If you add Tolleson to that he’d be 26th out of 32.
Of the guys that Tolleson would be ahead of only two of them have any real success with the cutter. All of this is small sample size of course.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 15, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
shit he isn't going to be a HOF
:-p
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I have to take off now
2 things
1. could you ask him how McGough rates with the other closers he’s just mentioned and how fast he can get to the bigs
2. What are scouts saying about Sanchez, his stuff and his ceiling
THANKS
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
McGough throws the hardest of the other closers that have been here. The Dodgers love him. His fastball gets into the high 90s, with a very good curve. He’s also working on a changeup that has promise. He may have the highest ceiling, although it surprises me that the Dodgers don’t seem to be limiting his innings. He’s pitched a couple times on back-to-back nights and has struggled a little on the second night. He pitched in 31 games this year with Oregon. I would have thought they’d be more careful with him. He’s a college guy, so he could move quickly, although the Dodgers seem to be thick with closers in the minors. I could see him starting at Double A next season.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I liked the comment he made about the “3 year catcher” quote from Ned, that it may have been thrown out there to confuse people. I think that is the default answer for a Ned quote, right?
I’d like you to up the bets. I’d have loved a 100 – 1 Matt Kemp grand slam in the 1st
or a 20 – 1 Jamey Carroll gets a hit with a runner on 2nd or 3rd
or 5 – 1 name the first Brewer to hit a home run against Lilly
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
so Big Z doesn't want to retire after all
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/15/carlos-zambrano-says-he-wants-to-stay-with-the-cubs
Chukwudiebere Maduabum FTW!!!!!!!
twitter
“What do you mean I don’t get $18.5 million next year if I retire?”
by Eric Stephen on Aug 15, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Really surprising, that one
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
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