Dodgers Tuesday Links
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:01 AM PDT
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Here are some Tuesday Dodgers links for your perusal:
- The Dodgers are back in bankruptcy court Tuesday. First on the agenda was a contract with FMI (Facility Merchandising, Inc.). The Dodgers won that battle. Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times has been tweeting the play-by-play from Delaware all morning.
- Hugh Bernreuter of The Saginaw News, the beat writer for the Class A Great Lakes Loons, answered a series of questions on Monday about Dodgers prospects, including many queries from True Blue LA readers. "I'd rather let guys like Gordon, Sands, Eovaldi play and find out rather than bring in mediocre fill-in guys for a couple years (Gwynn? Gibbons?)," Bernreuter said. "Gordon could be a star. It's worth the Dodgers' trouble to find out. Even if he doesn't hit, he is a contributor to the team. You can't discount defense up the middle"
- Dee Gordon, on the disabled list with a right shoulder contusion, resumed throwing on Monday, wrote Joe DiGiovanni of MLB.com. Gordon is eligible to be activated on August 25, but the Dodgers are off that day.
- Matt Kemp was a guest on the Dan Patrick Show Monday morning. Roberto Baly has a transcript up at Vin Scully Is My Homeboy, and you can listen to the audio here.
- Jim Thome, who was a Dodger for 22 glorious plate appearances in 2009, became the eighth player in MLB history to hit 600 home runs on Monday night. Watch Thome's blast here, and read more about the home run and Thome's legacy on Baseball Nation here, here, and here.
- Among the Brewer notes in Monday's game recap by Todd Rosiak of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: the Brewers are 24-6 at home this season with the roof open, and Milwaukee's ERA through the first four games of their homestand is 0.73.
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got lat'd
Im sure this has been discussed already but I read this blurb this morning:
pomeranz – just saw he was the ptbnl in the ubaldo deal.. damn swindle by colorado.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 16, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
That trade was weird all around for me. Ubaldo is exactly the kind of guy who should be kept, under contract for a team-friendly deal for several seasons. The only way the trade makes sense for Colorado IMO is if Ubaldo has some underlying medical issue, which would also explain why they refused to let the Indians do anything other than a physical before the trade was completed.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere
that Ubaldo’s MRI was “remarkably clean”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Also their repeated claim of “no backsies”.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 16, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, when Dan O’Dowd forgot to cup his hand over the phone when he said to the others in his office “I can’t believe they said yes to the deal!”
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
didn't they give cargo a billion dollars for no apparent reason?
I don’t pretend to understand what GMs are thinking anymore, if they are thinking at all.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I was going to make a haterific comment about this deal in my original post but decided against it.. but yeah that cargo deal was completely unnecessary..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 16, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t necessarily think the contract for CarGo was bad (same with Tulo), but just that the Rockies assumed all the risk in both deals and didn’t get much of a discount, or any.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Funny how they both became 2nd / outfielders who have had to initially struggle for at bats.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice pull
I remembered EY playing some in the OF with Texas and San Diego at the end of his career, but for some reason I blocked out his time in LF in his first two years with the Rockies (106 games, 94 starts in LF; 10 games, 8 starts in CF for Colorado in 1993-1994).
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
He was super fast, great pop too for someone with such small stature!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I remember being unhappy we traded him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I was more unhappy that Valdes was gone.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I got to bat boy in 98’ during a rainout against the Marlins (day after Gagne’s debut) and EY grabbed a seat next to me and BS for like an hour about Vero, girls & rap. They had the Juvenile 400 degreez CD playing on repeat….anyways I thought that was so cool of him to take the time. I can say the same about Devo, Herges & Hundley. Kevin Brown & Paul Loduca….not so much. Go figure.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
OT: If you're a Phish fan, or if you (like me) loathe them, you will enjoy this
debate about whether they are great or suck.
http://www.earwolf.com/episode/analyze-phish/
(Harris Wittels and Scott Aukerman)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I listened to that driving home from Vegas on Sunday. Pretty funny.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
glad to finally read Hugh's Q&A, really good stuff there...
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Heh, good filler question Xei!
;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Canadians would object to that characterization
Seeing as how the Canadian dollar is also called the loon.
by The Dude Abides on Aug 16, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked his comments on Angel Sanchez, including
Throws in the mid-90s, sometimes faster if he gets mad.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
so...
he is the Hulk?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
ANGEL SANCHEZ SMASH
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
“I’m gonna throw this thing as hard as I possibly can!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
who is that?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Scrapmetal
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Dodgers can order in bulk from Dr. ElAttrache.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Baseball Billiards
I hope Hollywood Joe will do a demonstration like this at the upcoming TBLA Softball game. Hat tip: Book Blog (SFW)
What is so special about repeatedly hitting into a line drive out at SS? Just kidding…that was freaking awesome!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 16, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Hugh was responding to my question on Gordon
I was trying to get him to bash Gordon a little bit. Didn’t work. Though I’ll say his answer of “what other options do the Dodgers have?” isn’t terribly convincing for me. For one thing, they could sign a player who is better and if Gordon continues to play at this level, finding a free agent better than Gordon wouldn’t be that difficult.
Dee Gordon is in serious danger of having the worst OPS for a Dodger rookie ever.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 16, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Sellers is taking his jobs
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Dee should man short, Sellers can move over to 2B until “Late Night” is ready to establish his dominance :)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Hugh has always been a big fan, remember Dee was the MVP the season he got to watch him play and that is all he can go by.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Fun with small sample sizes- Trayvon Robinson edition
Despite still striking out at nearly 40% of his plate appearances (39.3%), Robinson is north of replacement level thanks to a wOBA bump from his slugging numbers. wOBA of .331 with 3 doubles and homerun. His defense is also positive so far. WAR for the Mariners, 0.3.
Amazing what a 3 / 4 game with two doubles
will do for you when you have less then 30 at bats.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I like how he struck out in that game too
because if he didn’t it would have just been weird
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Don't need tweets now
Shaikin summary here.
That really blows for the Vendor
The Dodgers’ merchandise vendor must take the financial risk of ordering gear for next season without knowing whether the Dodgers might boot the vendor before the season starts, a federal bankruptcy judge ruled Tuesday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
the article did say
they could sue for damages at a later date.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Further reading, they are in the 2nd year of an eight year deal that seems very friendly to the Dodgers so it would seem unlikely the Dodgers would try to get out from underneath the contract.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't expect this part of the article
Rosenberg had asked that Gross order the Dodgers to accept or reject the FMI contract by Sept. 26 — effectively, he said, the end of the season.
“Not for the Phillies, we hope,” Gross said.
“Except for Ruiz,” Rosenberg replied. “Fuck that guy.”
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You are just my hero, sir.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
when does the issue of the Fox contract
get decided again?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
we don't know yet I think
hopefully tomorrow though.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I was joking about the tomorrow part
:-p
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
oh ok
i thought there was a set date
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
So a summary of today in Delaware
FMI wanted out from deal with FMJ. Court said TMI, GFY. FMI says FML.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
HITNG?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
some of us aren't 14yo girls
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
coulda fooled me :P
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
FMI = Fuck, My Investment!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 16, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sick of top prospect 3rd baseman sucking. Thank God for Brett Lawrie
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
he's been good for them
damn good
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
He’d be stuck at AA if he wasn’t traded. The org would tell him that they were committed to Weeks and McGehee. Prospect evaluators would talk about his “bad body language” and thighs that were too big to play the infield.
I caught the tail end of the press conference this morning and Melvin was criticizing anyone who criticzed him. The guy has never been wrong. Having Casey split at bats with the horrific notion of someone from the minors and not having Counsell and Kotsay on the roster are cuh-razy talk. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Kotsay gets signed for another year. Having a hitless streak measured in weeks isn’t enough for Counsell to do some shift into the coaching staff, but it just might keep him off of next years team.
/ramblingcynicsickofmelvinhopelawrieisanmvp
I'm back, baby!
Nice to be able to post on here during the day again and not on my phone :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Damn!
I mean, hey welcome back, glad to have you.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure it's a welcome relief to everyone!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I was having my fair share of Ivdown withdrawal
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
<3
lol. You should have seen me in my hayday, not one bit of work done for months!!!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
LOL….. TBLA feeding your Dodger fix while killing your productivity at the office
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I'm telling you, i was in the running for MVP posters on here back last year
Just for the fact of how much I posted. Most of my value was just replacement value ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
“Never mistake activity for achievement.”
-John Wooden
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Initiate protocol Omega
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
this is not a drill
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
That's only if I talk to you about like 2 topics I think, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Silly stats
On Saturday the Brewers won 1 – 0
On Sunday the Brewers won 2 – 1
On Monday the Brewers won 3 – 0
I’ll be rooting for four runs tonight. They have not scored four runs since July 29th.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
On Gordon
Unless the Dodgers are going all in on Jose Reyes, Gordon might actually be the best SS available to the Dodgers. Unless you think Orlando Cabera won’t suck for half a season, or Furcal won’t be horribly injured for more than a month.
I don’t see how a guy who is one of the 5 worst shortstops in WAR (yes, limited sample size, I know) would be one of the best available.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
How many guys out there with Gordon’s raw skills and will cost ~400K?
by silverwidow on Aug 16, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
With his raw skills? None I guess. Not sure what raw skills per dollar spent does for us though.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
He is not one of the best available. I think it’s safe to predict that if he gets the job, he will be a below-average MLB shortstop.
That said, I think it’s a good bet that he’ll get the job.
If the Dodgers can stick with Loney at 1B for five years, they can hand Dee Gordon a season to see what he’s got.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m banking on Dee being in the top third of NL SS’s in 12’.
Any takers?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Hell no he won’t be in the top 5 out of 15 or fuck yea he will?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Mr. White
is not a Gordon fan
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 16, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither am I!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Based on defense and base running yes
I think he can be around .275/.315/.330 40 SB with above average defense.
I’m just hoping I’m not dreaming.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The bar is very low
I think he can easily produce a .600 OPS with quality defense.
by silverwidow on Aug 16, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, you need someone to fade you on a bet where if Dee is in the top-third of SS in ‘12, you win, and if he isn’t, I win?
I will take that bet, with this stipulation: I also win if he doesn’t meet a minimum number of PA. Say, 400 PA. Fewer than 400 PA or not in top-third, I win. More than 400 PA and in top-third, you win.
What do you say?
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as we’re talking about the NL and not MLB….the stakes are a bottle of your finest gin (JK)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I can agree to NL only. The stakes are one bottle of Bombay Sapphire or its equivalent value in cash or merchandise.
Gordon meets 400 or more PA AND is in the top-third of NL at SS in OPS, you win.
If not, either because he doesn’t get the job or doesn’t keep it or his OPS is too low, I win.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I knew you were gonna throw out the “Bombay” stipulation….don’t they make an equivalent to Popov in Gin?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I wouldn’t dare to ingest such a gin.
Just be thankful I didn’t suggest Leopold’s!
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention Loeb's
That shit’ll kill ya
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Aug 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 16, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
What if he simply continues to get hurt because he’s skinnyswag?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I will allow for an injury exception. If he is out due to injury, the bet is a push.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Top third would be #5, the Top 5 NL SS with min 300 PA this season are: Tulo (.911), Reyes (.884), Starlin Castro (.774), Rollins (.735), Jamey Carroll (.730). He only has to be better than Jamey Carroll has been this year to be top third NL SS.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
In 2012, I would estimate Dee Gordon has 0% chance of posting a .730 OPS.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure one way or the other, so I’ll just act surprised in either case.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I feel like I have at least a legitimate argument. I like what Tripon said about it not being the first time a rookie improves substantially by his second year, and barring injury, the right amount of ab’s and overall suckiness of NL shortstops from #6-#15….
so you’re saying there’s a chance!!!!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Of course there’s a chance. But never forget Humma’s Law:
Anything can happen, but it won’t.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
That would represent improving his MLB production from this year by about 200 points, give or take.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The FA market for shortstops has been horrible the last couple of years. Jimmy Rollins is probably the 2nd best SS on the FA market, will be 33 in 2012, and will try to command at least a contract like Furcal signed in 2009.
We’d be falling in the same trap like we did with 2nd base and Uribe last year if we try to sign a FA shortstop to any sort of money.
How about Jamey Carroll ?
Or, guys like him. You don’t need to go high end, anybody with a WAR > 0 would be an improvement.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm for bringing back Carrol and Miles on the cheap
and mix and match them with Sellers Uribe and Gordon and hope someone doesn’t suck. Theres no one out there worth spending money on unless we can get A Ram.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
at 2nd ss 3b
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
We need to clear out everyone but Kemp who started the season with the Dodgers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Positionally
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s not many players like Jamey Carroll. Also, you run the risk of the front office choosing a player superficially like Carroll but being worse and paying more money to retain/acquire him.
For instance, the FO might say that Miles should be signed to say a 2 year/$8 million contract, and let Carroll go because Miles had a career year, younger, and is so scrappy.
Nevermind the front office
We’re talking about what we would do.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Then yeah, I’d sign Carroll, but I’d still try to make Gordon the starter at SS. I still have holes at 2nd base because Uribe is even more horrible than Gordon is, and he can be moved around as needed. We don’t have enough talent to just say we can bench Gordon.
lets see what he does the rest of the season
it seems to soon to decide if he is a bust or not.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I'm not calling him a bust
He just seems like a guy who needs to be in the minors, not simply handed the starting job for the next few years.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
are you factoring in the “blood lines” when making that statement? What about the “coincidence” of said “blood lines” being tied to a guy named “Flash” and the son being so fast they call him “skinny swag”
You simply can’t ignore the …er….facts Michael
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I'll admit
I’m not adding in a bloodlines bump
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Fangraphs WAR thinks Uribe plays defense like he’s Tiger pre-golf club to the face.
And Gordon wouldn’t be the first player to suck horribly the first year, and turn decent for the rest of his career.
You mean 111 PA isn't enough to judge him on?
crazy talk
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
at the risk of starting an argument
that’s about the number of positive plate appearances James Loney had when you and I were saying he’s been better this year, only for him to go back in the shitter.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I argued he was approaching average
and wasn’t a dead weight. He reached almost a full 200 PAs at that production level before falling back into a black hole.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I might have even argued he was average
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Did Loney ever actually leave the shitter? I thought he mailed in his change of request form a long time ago
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
from mid-may until the all star break he was okay.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
and then those 3 days off where too much for him
and then in august he has been good again until last night.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Is 111 PA enough for you to say we're set at SS?
Because that seems like what the Dodgers are doing. The burden needs to be on Gordon proving he’s a starting caliber SS in MLB, not the other way around.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Is 111 PA enough for you to say we’re set at SS?
Because that seems like what the Dodgers are doing. T
Is it? Whats that based on? The season is lost so they are giving him a chance to prove his worth.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If true, that's fine with me
I’ll say that I think the club is ready to hand him the starting SS job next year. And I don’t see the evidence to suggest that he’s ready for that.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the only thing more concrete regarding the 2012 Dodgers lineup than Matt Kemp in CF is Dee Gordon at SS.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Andre Ethier DFA
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I would not make this comment until Oct 1st.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I worded that poorly
1) Kemp
2) Gordon
in terms of locks IMO
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we have to go with the idea that management feels he’s the future SS based on the scouting and not on what he’s accomplished in 111 plate appearances which I’d rather they do. They may be wrong, but I’d much rather see this decision based on what they think of his potential then the SSS of performance we have seen so far.
He will walk more, no one has a 1.8 walk rate.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
or what phil said
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
This guy has been promoted through the system based on this scouting, because since the MWL his numbers have been pedestrian.
Yes, I’m a stat guy, so I would like to see better stats to warrant these promotions year after year for Gordon.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
he did tear it up in AAA after he got sent back down
so theres that!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
True or False: one of the reasons to promote Gordon is that it is likely that 2012 is a lost season anyway, and if it is, giving Gordon a full season to show what he can do is a good idea.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
You know I can't agree with you
When you start down this path.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It is a dark lonely road
that he must walk alone.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I do know that! And you know that I know that you know.
But I’m not sure if I know that you know that I know that you know. I’ll have to think about that.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
IF you are starting from a position of punting 2012, I could see why you wouldn’t be as displeased about Gordon being handed the job as I am.
I do assume the Dodgers are a few moves and some good luck away from being in another pennant race next year.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
To be clear, I think I am backing off my position of “let’s punt” somewhat.
The Dodgers need a superstar batter, like Fielder. They should try to get such a batter.
If they cannot obtain such a batter, then they need to take a good, hard look at the franchise, who is available in 2013/14 and at what positions, and be realistic about their chances in ’12.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
2012 doesn’t have to be a lost season. But even if you’re going to spend in FA to prop up the 2012 Dodgers, you should set your priorities on acquiring an elite player. I’m with DeliasMan, Fielder or bust.
Hendricks it is
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I am, too. I support signing Fielder.
However, nothing will shock me more than Fielder signing with the Dodgers. I really, really, really don’t think it’ll happen, no matter how much I support it. And if it doesn’t….
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Not even Pujols signing?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yes, Pujols signing would shock me more. But not much more, because neither will happen.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely. If they sign Fielder, I won’t be bitching if that means Dee Gordon is the starting SS.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
So you are with my strategy of Fielder + Replacement level to fill out the remaining slots on the roster?
I think there are a lot of reasons to give Gordon the starting SS job, and I think he will get the starting SS job…
…but “Dee Gordon will play every day all year and be in the top third of MLB at the position” isn’t one of them.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
We certainly can’t use OPS as the determining factor, we can’t use WAR since so much is defensive based and we have been told it takes three years to really get a feel for a players defense.
Baserunning is going to be a huge part of his value.
Defense is going to be a huge part of his value.
Slug will not
OB probably not.
JMO – but if Gordon can give me an OB of .317, with above average defense, 40 out of 50 stolen bases at 400,000 I’d consider it a huge win.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
war will still tell you if they where good or not that year won't it?
even if you can’t totally judge a player by it
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
.317 OBP is awfully specific. Why that number?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, the expectation of what Gordon needs to provide offensively has dropped quite a bit since he first showed up.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
(low whistle)
I had no idea.
On the other hand, Dee Gordon’s OBP in 114 PA in the majors is .248. I don’t care how good your baserunning is, that’s not getting it done. You gotta be Brooks Robinson’s and Ozzie Smith’s love child, born with a vacuum cleaner where one arm should be and a rocket for the other, to make that work.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Five infield singles will do wonders for that
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Has Dee Gordon hit one hard line drive yet in his brief career?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The one that stands out was the ball to the RF wall in Minnesota.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Gordon has a 15.7% LD rate, and an astounding 60.2% groundball rate.
Even James Loney has a 20% LD rate.
Of anyone, Dee Gordon hitting groundballs is a good thing.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
James Loney hits a lot of balls that are line drives because they weren’t on the ground but weren’t high enough to be fly balls.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Isn’t that more or less a definition of line drive – for everyone? Are you trying to say he doesn’t hit them hard? That might be a better way to put it, if so.
i more mean that little slap to the left fielder that he’s mastered. It’s not loopy like a F-7, but it’s not on the ground, so he gets a L-7 Loser.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
L-7
would be a great nickname for Loney. But it’s too late. We won’t even remember him in 2013
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
His career minor league walk rate is four times his current major league rate.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Which he of course needs to, and likely will, improve. But right now he’s in the “I’m going to throw this dude strikes until he proves he can do anything with them” zone.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of FML
I know this was talked about in the other thread, but the projected (by FMI) turnstile count of “2.2 to 2.3 million” at Dodger Stadium this season is bad.
Average tickets sold now is 36,876 per game, which would be about 2.99 million for the full season. That means the no-show rate is between 23.0% and 26.3%.
One wonders what the average no-show rate is across MLB.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
From 9 days ago
in the LA Times:
The court documents also showed the Dodgers had a no-show rate of 17.4% in 2009, that is, the percentage of tickets that were sold but not used. At the time, that rate was not considered abnormal among MLB teams.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
At least the stands are more spacious for those of us who do go.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Pasadena Parks
Since the parks department turned the lights off early on us last night…I have a brand new ball wrapped and ready to go for the Softball game!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 16, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
I see the document. It has the headers, but no one has put info in yet
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 16, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Sandy Koufax is getting inducted into the University of Cincinnati Hall of Fame.
Nick Van Exel is not a Bearcat HOFer…yet.
Rob Neyer pronounces GIF with a soft g.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You having trouble confirming Bourn’s identity?
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Group of season ticket holders petition for standing in bankruptcy case.
Includes heirs of Frank Sinatra (for what that matters, I don’t know). Here.
How bored must these season ticket holders be?
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
how much effort does it take them
to call up their lawers and tell them to find some reason to sue McCourt?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
More than the 25 seconds I would take to think about it
And they’re obviously bored and rich.
by Michael White on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m no lawyer, so I’ll wait for somebody who knows what they’re talking about before rendering my final judgement…
…but my preliminary Humma Ruling is that these dudes are insane if they actually think they’ll get standing.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I was told there were plenty of seats in Delaware.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks to LAT
I have sat in the Sinatra seats, they are right behind the visitor’s dugout (after the first 3 rows). I sat there with him and his Shawn Green loving daughter back in 2008. She got Barry Zito to autograph a ball.
Phil and I also sat with LAT in what I believe were his seats or his firm’s seats on the Loge level, very nice seats.
Still ranks as one of the best looking commenters on any Dodger site probably only the legendary Suffering Bruin ranks higher.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 16, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
True story. Sickeningly handsome, and also very nice, both LAT and SB.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 16, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
He posted a pic of his family
on Twitter. They’re so good looking, he’s the ugly one of the bunch
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
SB was the funny one. Larry was the nice one, and the better looking one. Tall, good looking, great hair but it all evens out because he became a lawyer and probably hates his job:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 16, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
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