Clayton Kershaw & The Fastest Dodgers To 15 Wins
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:00 AM PDT
in Dodgers Game Previews
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PrintThe Dodgers try to salvage a game at Miller Park on a Thursday getaway day, and will send their best to the mound to try and get it done. Clayton Kershaw faces the Brewers in search of his 15th win of the season. Sure, pitcher wins might be overrated but the statistic isn't going anywhere, and Kershaw is racking up wins at a rapid rate.
Here is the list of Dodgers since 1980 to win 15 games before September:
| Dodgers To 15 Wins Before September |
||||
| Pitcher | Year | Date | Team Game | Season Wins |
| Orel Hershiser | 1988 | Jul 31 | 104 | 23 |
| Fernando Valenzuela | 1986 | Aug 4 | 105 | 21 |
| Ramon Martinez | 1990 | Aug 9 | 109 | 20 |
| Fernando Valenzuela | 1982 | Aug 10 | 114 | 19 |
| Fernando Valenzuela | 1985 | Aug 21 | 117 | 17 |
| Ramon Martinez | 1991 | Aug 20 | 119 | 17 |
| Jerry Reuss | 1980 | Aug 20 | 119 | 18 |
| Hideo Nomo | 2003 | Aug 22 | 127 | 16 |
| Bob Welch | 1982 | Aug 24 | 127 | 16 |
| Tim Leary | 1988 | Aug 27 | 129 | 17 |
| Kevin Brown | 1999 | Aug 30 | 131 | 18 |
| since 1980 | ||||
It is worth noting that Nomo won his 15th game of the season in game number 124 in 1995, but because the season started late thanks to the strike of the previous season the game was on September 8. Today is game number 123 for the Dodgers this season.
The Dodgers haven't had a pitcher win more than 16 games since Chan Ho Park won 18 in 2000. The last Dodger to win 20 games was Ramon Martinez in 1990.
Kershaw leads the National League with 193 strikeouts. He needs seven punchouts to become the first Dodgers pitcher with back-to-back 200-strikeout seasons since Chan Ho Park did so in 2000-2001.
Today's Opponent
Sylmar High School graduate Marco Estrada takes the mound for Milwaukee on Wednesday, making his sixth start of the season. Estrada, who turned 28 last month, has also pitched 28 games in relief this season, and has averaged nearly a strikeout per inning while walking less than three batters per nine innings. He is 3-7 with a 4.46 ERA this season, joining Kameron Loe as the only Brewers with a losing record with more than one decision, but Estrada's peripherals suggest some bad luck (3.68 FIP, 3.66 xFIP, 3.81 tERA, 3.24 SIERA). FanGraphs tells us Estrada has thrown his fastball (91 mph on average) just 53% of the time, relying heavily on his changeup (22.3%) and curve (21.7%).
Lineups
| Dodgers | Brewers | |||
| LF |
Gwynn |
RF |
Hart |
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| SS |
Sellers |
CF |
Hairston | |
| RF |
Ethier |
LF |
Braun |
|
| CF |
Kemp |
1B |
Fielder |
|
| 1B |
Rivera | 3B |
McGehee |
|
| 3B |
Miles |
SS |
Betancourt |
|
| C |
Barajas | C |
Lucroy |
|
| 2B |
Carroll | 2B |
Wilson | |
| P |
Kershaw |
P |
Estrada |
|
Game Time: 11:10 a.m.
TV: Prime Ticket
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if only Hershiser would have finished strong that year…
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
2010 Ubaldo had 15 wins on Jul 8.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
A month later he’s in Cleveland.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
13 months later
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
was going for a year
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ned on Sellers
Told him to get his priorities straight and he’d make the bigs. He’s real proud of him, called him a “beaut” and said he’ll help the team next year.
The range of a Sellers / Gordon DP combo would be something.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be great with Uribe at 3rd
and Eo on the mound
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
why did you have to soil my infield
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Uribe soiled himself?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Urine tends to stain
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
the other 2 aren't going to hit either
but nothing will get through that infield
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
/signs fly ball pitcher Lilly for two more years
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
/signs Tony Gwynn to patrol the outfield when Lilly pitches
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
/plays Tony Gwynn 100 innings in the first half.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
as a defensive replacement, after the starter comes out.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
So glad that everyone has finally decided to get on the TGJ bandwagon.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I targeted him in the offseason. I liked TGJ when he was underground.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I was partially onboard back then
I’m all on board now
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
we just need a lefty masher to pair him with
/gives rivera 3 year contract
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
/plays him more later
his cpu is neurel net processor…
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
It’s also interesting that IDJ doesn’t get any glowing praise at all.
by silverwidow on Aug 18, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
When IDJ’s leg broke, all the potential oozed out
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Take away: Chan Ho is probably the best pitcher the Dodgers had that turned into a punchline.
@andrewngrant
Chan Ho was great for the Dodgers and a disaster for the Rangers. I don’t understand why Dodger fans don’t remember him fondly.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I was a fan until he tried to kick Tim Belcher with steel cleats. After that it was fuck that guy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Because he’s mostly known for the karate kick.
Maybe for lobbing that pitch to Cal Ripken in the All Star Game.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I was in San Diego for his first major league start, his fourth MLB game. It was October 1, 1995, the last day of the season, and the Dodgers had just clinched the division the night before. Park pitched three innings, and his stuff was really evident. He allowed a run (solo shot to Jody F. Reed!) and struck out five. It was awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
There was a bit of a dust up when Chan Ho was pissed as a rookie when his clothes got cut to shreds, but that was more a cultural difference than anything else, in that Park didn’t really know what the hell rookie hazing was.
Also, stepping back and looking at the situation, any rational person would have also reacted like Chan Ho in such a situation, but welcome to the locker room, kid.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodger pitcher screamed obscenities and threw furniture and food after discovering teammates had turned his suit into a short pants-and-vest outfit with a pair of scissors.
Park had just pitched three hitless innings in relief to get a 4-3 victory over the Cubs.
Dodger players said it was a traditional clubhouse prank, a rite of passage for the young South Korean with a 5-2 record. He was expected to fly home from Chicago in his altered outfit but wore his uniform pants and jacket instead.
Park, infuriated then, was somewhat accepting of the spirit of the prank Thursday.
“I was so mad because somebody cut off my suit, but [Mike] Piazza [Todd] Worrell and [Tom] Candiotti and Tommy [Lasorda] explained it to me today, so I understand now,” he said.
“I’m not anymore angry, anymore mad. They like me, so they do that. Welcome to team. I’m happy. They like me.”
Park’s agent, Steve Kim, said the player still wasn’t laughing about it.
“He still feels it was a demeaning thing to do to him. He told me he was hazed when he was a freshman in college, but it was just being made to do the laundry of upperclassmen.
“In his first year with the Dodgers, Kevin Gross hit him in the face with a pie while he was doing a TV interview. He laughed at that.
“He just feels cutting his clothes is going too far.”
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean hazing I get
but I would be pissed too if someone cut up my suit
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I thought I had read at one time that that was the suit that his parents bought him to send him to America in, or something like that.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 18, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Some great other stuff in that article
including a great Newcombe/Snider story, and Jesse Orsoco on the Kirk Gibson eye-black incident: “Let’s just say I won’t be doing it again. That’s because I don’t want to read my name in the obituaries.”
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
You didn't mention the best one
In 1948, New York Giant trainer Frank Bowman greeted Johnny Mize in a training room after Mize had worked out vigorously on a hot day. Mize peeled off his sweat-soaked sweatshirt and turned to go to the water fountain.
As he left, Bowman poured alcohol all over the shirt.
When Mize returned for a rub, Bowman said, “John, better stay away from that booze.”
Mize: “What do you mean? I just had a couple of beers last night.”
Bowman: “That’s what they all say. Here, let me prove it to you.”
Bowman lit a match and the sweatshirt burst into flames, while a horrified Mize watched.
“See, John—that’s the alcohol you sweated out.”
Mize, stamping out the fire, said, “Doc, please—promise me you won’t say anything about this to anyone.”
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 18, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
11:10am game
Get your picks in early
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/8/17/2369966/dodgers-vs-brewers-august-18th-simulation-contest
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Anyone else notice Mike Jacobs tested positive for HGH and got released?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvFdBDANorddFx3pMvKjqpE5nYcB?slug=ap-rockies-jacobssuspension
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
notice
is served
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
believe he was playing AAA, and the minor league testing is stricter than MLB testing. Not sure if they have blood testing in the minors, but I assume so if he tested positive for HGH.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
yeah
it was just introduced before the 2010 season
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Vick said he didn’t think the Eagles were the best choice coming out of prison. Thought Bengals and Bills were better fits.
Wat.
The Bengals have plenty of other guys who can understand
what its like to go through the justice system, so that one makes sense. Bills had no one at QB, and are in a small media marketish so that makes sense if he wanted to stay out of the spotlight.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I’m really surprised that the Dodgers haven’t had a pitcher surpass 16 wins since Park in 2000. I thought Brown would have surely surpassed 16 wins….guess not.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I got you
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
by Maddz on Aug 18, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was the first year he signed the contract….2000 and beyond 14 was the best he did
1999 34 LAD NL 18 9 .667 3.00 35 35 0 5 1 0 252.1 210 99
2000 35 LAD NL 13 6 .684 2.58 33 33 0 5 1 0 230.0 181 76
2001 36 LAD NL 10 4 .714 2.65 20 19 0 1 0 0 115.2 94 41
2002 37 LAD NL 3 4 .429 4.81 17 10 0 0 0 0 63.2 68 36
2003 38 LAD NL 14 9 .609 2.39 32 32 0 0 0 0 211.0 184 67
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
man, he was so good during that contract. to win 14 games with 2003’s offense, dude was a miracle.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Easily the best player to regularly be featured in “worst contracts of all time” articles.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
first $100M contract, no?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Yea, then I think Mike Hampton was shortly thereafter
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
hey guys, remember when Barry Zito signed that huge contract? Then got left off the postseason rotation? That was funny.
by Josie Becker on Aug 18, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope his ring fits.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
That was 2007….Soriano signed for something like $136M that year as well
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
better times, before everyone went broke
by Josie Becker on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
How’s James McDonald doing?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
as well as Chad Billingsley
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Player ERA+ IP Year Age Tm Lg GS W H ER BB SO ERA HR OPS OPS+
Matt Cain 128 173.0 2011 26 SFG NL 26 10 143 55 45 143 2.86 7 .591 69
Ian Kennedy 127 170.1 2011 26 ARI NL 25 15 144 59 45 142 3.12 17 .661 83
John Lannan 109 142.0 2011 26 WSN NL 25 8 141 56 59 84 3.55 11 .713 102
Bud Norris 104 152.0 2011 26 HOU NL 25 6 143 61 59 145 3.61 19 .732 109
James McDonald 92 133.0 2011 26 PIT NL 24 8 140 62 59 110 4.20 20 .792 123
Chad Billingsley 92 151.2 2011 26 LAD NL 25 10 150 68 63 125 4.04 9 .704 102
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/18/2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
except for allowing double the HR and making the average hitter he faces into Andre Ethier, he’s not doing bad!
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Andre Ethier with power! :)
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Seeing John Lannan on this list was shocking
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Did he come up when he was 21 or something, because it seems like he’s been around for at least five years.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn, full time at 22 and has had an ERA+ > 100 3 of 4 years.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the fame you get for being the Nationals ace.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know what’s with the McDonald hate. I don’t think he’s as good as Chad and nobody here says he’s great, but he’s not bad. His x-FIP is 4.34. That won’t win any awards, but for your 5th starter at the major league minimum, what’s to compliain about?
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
For his first full season as a starter I’d say he’s doing just fine. Given what he earns I’d say he’s doing more then fine.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
When that’s one of the worst xFIPs in the bigs it’s worth it.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, 4.20 would be fine in 2009, but this is 2011 and that just doesn’t cut it on a contender.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Last I looked neither the Dodgers or the Pirates are contenders.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but James McDonald has the lowest WAR of any starter in MLB not named Bronson Arroyo.
xFIP is 13th worst, FIP is 5th worst, HR rate is 5th worst. What’s to like?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
His curve ball?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
JMac’s WAR is 0.1.
Lilly’s WAR is 0.4.
One of those two pitchers costs the minimum, the other was a rich 3 year deal. One of those two pitchers has age on their side and might get better.
And McDonald was over 1WAR last year, so it’s not like he’s destined to be like this forever.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I thought about Andy Laroche back in 09
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
most of those lists where McDonald is really really bad, Lilly is only slightly better. It’s like saying Mussolini wasn’t all that bad because look at that Hussein guy.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
comparing the second worst pitcher in MLB to the third worst pitcher in MLB isn’t saying anything.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
There’s a logical comparison between the two though. Both were Dodger options for the rotation in 2011 and thereafter.
I agree that comparing McDonald and Arroyo would be completely arbitrary, but it makes perfect sense for this blog to compare McDonald and Lilly.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Contenders:
Red Sox – Lackey – 4.52, Wakefield 4. 66, Bucholz 4.20, Andrew Miller 5.19
Yankees – Hughes 4.89
Tigers – Penny 4.68
Then I got bored.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
I’m shocked Lackey is doing so ‘well’ after his horrible start.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
reg thinks he broke x-fip
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Rotowire
8/16/2011: McDonald, who won his four game in five decisions at PNC Park on Monday, has added a slider to his repertoire in recent weeks.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Joy.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Are there any pitchers you like?
Other than the obvious superstars like CK?
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure there are a few out there somewhere.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
There are several. Michael I’m being honest when I say this statement….Kevin Brown is one of my favorite pitchers of all time.
Anytime I played back yard baseball with my brothers or friends I tried to imitate his windup to a T….I even did the same thing in my sole relief pitching appearance in semi-pro ball.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
He was asking Mr. Scott
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I dislike a lot of the superstars too. I really like Kuroda, I really don’t like Dan Haren. It’s pretty easy, I like guys who throw hard, and the guys who don’t throw overwhelmingly hard but who can control it really well. I hate all lefties not named Kershaw, Lee, Sabathia. I don’t like anyone whose average fastball is under 91.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Why is it you don’t like Dan Haren? I’ve been a big fan of his for a while.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
His mechanics and that fact that he used to throw mid 90s and now sits at 88-90.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
But he doesn’t throw overwhelmingly hard and controls it really well.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
he hasn't had an x-fip over 3.5 since 2007
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
oh i know, just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean they aren’t or can’t be successful.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
obviously
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
you don't make it clear though
when you are stating whether you just don’t like him personally or whether you think they are actually a bad pitcher. From my perspective at least.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Nah, Zito never threw more than like 92, but he could locate the shit out of his fastball and curveball. When he won his Cy Young, I was convinced there wasn’t a hitter in MLB who could hit him. Loved me some OAKZito. He since lost his control and sucks balls. I got it! I really like pitchers who throw really hard and have great control! That’s the key to success!
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
important question
do you like Verlander
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
Yeah, but I think he’s going to blow up in a couple years.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I think his elbow is going to blow up.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
this makes me sad
I love justin verlander
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
he is an inhuman robot programmed to do awesome
but his coach abuses his arm so bad
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
would you have said the same
about Nolan Ryan?
not baiting, just curious
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
probably.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
simply from workload, but looking at his mechanics, they were F-ing perfect. timing perfect, arm and leg placement perfect, there would have been 0 reason to think he’d blow up. Just like I think Kershaw will be fine if he keeps his mechanics.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
kate was saying to me
that things like the inverted W leading to injury are statistically significant – i.e. happen at least 60% of the time. So say that pitching in a certain way will hurt at least 60% of people. That still leaves 40% of people who can do it without hurting themselves. My hope is that Verlander is one of those genetic sports who can do stuff without hurting himself.
Science!
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
I agree….Him & Strasburg just appear to defy logic and I don’t see either holding up
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Strasburgs arm exploded
seems like he failed to defy logic
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I think it’s fair to say that Strasburg & Verlander are the hardest throwers that pitch deep into games and maintain the same insane velocity….my point was that it seems too good to be true to hold up over an extended period of time…..unless you’re Nolan Ryan.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Based on this comment it would seem your opinion is not something we should put much stock into.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
when it comes to pitchers
i’ve stopped because he has an obvious bias, and knows it, but makes no attempt to filter it through reality.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I heard Eli Manning saying he was as good as Tom Brady yesterday
I had a good laugh about that one.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Count the ring won most recently.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What the fuck was he supposed to say when somebody asks him that?
“Nah, I think I suck”
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then what kind of idiot asks that question
Unless it’s just to get a situation like this.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
that's exactly why
they ask these questions.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
was he supposed to say
he wasn’t?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
When someone says something as ridiculous as that, it’s best not to talk about it, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
“We each have our strengths and weaknesses. I respect what Tom has done and I’ve had a little success of my own. I’m just excited for this season to start”.
a la done.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
it's gotta be really hard to be Eli
you’re a pretty good QB, but your brother is better and better looking and is kind of hilarious and hangs out with Justin MF Timberlake
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
by Maddz on Aug 18, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats like saying jared is better looking then jeff weaver
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Thank god you didn’t say Eli. i’ve got a friend who thinks Eli is…and I think she may have brain damage.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
slightly less attractive men need love too….slightly less attractive men need love too.
by Josie Becker on Aug 18, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
wow
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
oh sorry
was that not filtered through reality?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
have you seen his forehead?!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
so you can’t get past the 5 head. I don’t care, he’s a good looking dude in incredible shape who, from all appearances, seems to have a great sense of humor. Yeah man, he’s totes unattractive
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
I'm not saying he is a bad person!
just that I don’t think he has a good looking face but he certainly has this going for him:
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I loved Peyton on SNL
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Agreed. For years people used to say dumb shit about Eli like “he’s not as good as his brother.”
No shit he’s not as good as his brother. Nobody is.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think it has to be hard to be anyone with the richest qb contract ever, lol. He’s living in his brother’s shadow, sure. He’s not as good as his brother, but he’s also not as good as a lot of other qbs too.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He is not a great QB
He has the best QB contract for some reason. I would guess he is maybe around 10th best in the league. 25 interceptions last year…mark of a great qb, right? Even if I am a hater can you dispute that I’m saying he’s not a great qb? Honestly?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I watched every minute of Giants football for the past few years. He’s an above average quarterback who won the Giants a Super Bowl for the first time in 20 years.
What you did above (dropping the Manning bash out of nowhere) would be like somebody dropping a Billingsley bash on a New York Giants blog after Billingsley led the Dodgers to their first World Series in 20 years. It’s just hating.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Their defense was the absolute hugest reason they made it as far as they did
That and a 1 in 1,000 catch.
Eli said something stupid. If Billingsley said “yeah, I think I’m as good as Lincecum, and he’s really improved a lot recently”, I’d think it was stupid as hell. I’m not surprised that you’re taking it that, because you are a Giants fan, but you have to realize he has no legs to stand on with what he said, especially when the biggest reason he won (even in that game) a super bowl was because his defense absolutely beasted it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I’m going to remove myself from this conversation now.
But I think it’s obvious that you’re a hater.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
If you don’t think my argument doesn’t hold any water then maybe it’s best that I stop, because you clearly overrate Manning.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I don’t anything Manning. You have an axe to grind. Who fucking cares. You said your peice, several of us responded, move on.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Curious, I felt Burress had more to do with the ring than Manning. Dude was simply unstoppable.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
Burress was good in the Super Bowl and was GREAT in the NFC championship game.
Football is the ultimate team game and they had a great team. But as nolander points out, it’s VERY rare to have a winning team without a solid to very good quarterback.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
he is also better then at least half the qbs in the league
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
score!
Is that really an accomplishment with the contract he has? That basically makes him Carlos Zambrano before this year.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
having a quarterback that doesn't suck under contract is always
a big win in football. Half the teams in football can’t say it.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Would you be happy to have Eli on the Texans with his contract? Clearly there are teams that could use and need a guy like Eli, who is good but not great, but it would be a big price to pay for a non-elite QB.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The Giants won a fucking Super Bowl with Manning!
You act like the money was just pissed down the drain.
by Michael White on Aug 18, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
If Schuab's knee exploded?
yes
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don't think you understand how hard it is to get
a good QB of any type. At all.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I know they don’t grow on trees, but this argument is similar to a good centerfielder, and it’s why the Blue Jays got stuck with a massive Vernon Wells contract and why the Dodgers could run the same risk in the future.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
This would have been good
I heard him saying something about Brady improving or something along those lines, and it seemed like Eli was talking as a veteran while Brady was a young qb. Just really weird.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Jon Bois at Baseball Nation reviews Topps All-Star Rookies vs. Donruss Rated Rookies from 1987-1991. Awesome.
Rob and Reg won’t be happy
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
It keeps the consistency of Kansas City being terrible in my life.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
assuming that this were to set the market for poor hitting 1B- where would you project Loney at 2 years?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Loney won’t be signing a multi-year contract
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
“If you can eat this three pound lobster roll faster than James Loney, you get a free T-Shirt”
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
and a gallon of milk
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
ok this is stupid
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I enjoyed this
From Jay Jaffe:
without $ amount, silly to get worked up about Francouer deal. oblivious to flaws but crushes LHP, decent D, useful in small doses
I told him the amount…1 minute later Jay said:
that’s the worst deal ever
Heh
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I enjoy Jay Jaffe. Who is he, exactly?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
Writer for Baseball Prospectus & Futility Infielder. BBWAA member.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
He backs it up with action…on his face
by Eric Stephen on Aug 18, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If I were a guy, I would have the most BITCHING of moustaches.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
eventually you will get your chance
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
100% true
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 18, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t get badass stubble going because outside of the goat zone I got random patches.
You’ve got to hit the genetic lottery to actually look good in facial hair.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I've had mine so long
I just look strange without it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
HE HAS A BEARD! WE KNOW A NEW CLUE ABOUT TOMMY!
by Josie Becker on Aug 18, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
He's becoming the new Silverwidom IMO
I’m not even sure Tommy Blackjack is real. I think he’s a computer virus that works for an anti-dr pepper company.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
so my legend grows
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Last champion of TBLA Fantasy Baseball.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 18, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha, that turned out great
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 18, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Youkilis to the DL
Red Sox are promoting Ryan Lavarnway.
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