Can't Stop The Long Bomb Or The Running Game - Ted Lilly
by David Young on Aug 9, 2011 10:20 AM PDT
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Most observers of the 2011 Los Angeles Dodgers have noticed two things about starting pitcher Ted Lilly this season: 1) the ball seems to fly out of the park at a high rate while he is toeing the rubber and, 2) when runners do have to stop on the bases, they seem to steal bases at will.
A quick perusal of the statistics does, in fact, show that the observers are correct. Lilly is allowing 1.67 home runs for every nine innings he pitches (HR/9), and baserunners have been successful in 92% of their attempts to steal against him (SB%) having been caught only twice in 26 attempts. The HR/9 will be a career high if sustained, excluding the cup of coffee in his debut season, but the SB% was actually higher in both 2003 (96%) and last season (95%). 24 consecutive successful steals would bring his personal best into play.
Tonight Lilly climbs the hill to face the Philadelphia Phillies, a team whose offense in recent times is known for tremendous power (Ryan Howard, et al.) and highly successful base thievery (Jimmy Rollins and company). As we await this potentially cataclysmic coincidence of events, perhaps it would be illuminating, insightful, or simply interesting to see how Lilly's 2011 performance to date, and his career rates, stack up in various historical contexts.
Are Los Angeles Dodgers fans seeing something unique this season in the combination of homers allowed and base stealing allowed by Lilly this season? Surprisingly, the answer is no, but it does appear to be an exceedingly rare combination. Limiting the list to players that qualify for the league ERA title (pitch in at least 1 inning per team game player, here are the LA Dodgers pitchers who have allowed HR/9 greater than 1.2857 (the equivalent of 1 HR every 7 innings), and a separate top-10 list of LAD pitchers with high SB%.
Highest HR/9 - Los Angeles Dodgers (ERA title qualifiers only):
Rk Player HR/9 IP Year Age
1 Jose Lima 1.74 170.1 2004 31
2 Ted Lilly 1.67 129.2 2011 35
3 Darren Dreifort 1.45 192.2 2000 28
4 Chan Ho Park 1.44 194.1 1999 26
5 Ismael Valdez 1.42 203.1 1999 25
6 Jeff Weaver 1.41 224.0 2005 28
7 Odalis Perez 1.36 185.1 2003 25
8 Johnny Podres 1.33 182.2 1961 28
9 Don Sutton 1.31 260.1 1970 25
Highest SB% Allowed - Los Angeles Dodgers (ERA titles qualifiers only):
Rk Player SB% IP Year Age
1 Jose Lima 100% 170.1 2004 31
2 Stan Williams 94% 185.2 1962 25
3 Ted Lilly 92% 129.2 2011 35
4 Don Sutton 92% 254.1 1975 30
5 Sandy Koufax 92% 311.0 1963 27
6 Rick Rhoden 88% 164.2 1978 25
7 Derek Lowe 87% 218.0 2006 33
8 Hideo Nomo 86% 191.1 1995 26
9 Tom Candiotti 86% 203.2 1992 34
10 Don Sutton 86% 232.2 1967 22
Only the late Jose Lima, who tops both lists with his 2004 season, has outdone the 2011 version of Lilly, who has the only other season gracing both of these lists, and in high style. With 2 caught stealings for Lilly, Lima's perfect record is unattainable, but the home run rate standard is in definitely in play. Perhaps every time Lilly takes the mound, we should refer to it as Lima Time.
Naturally one begins to wonder how the current lefthander stacks up against the career greats in these two metrics. For the "Integration Era" - as baseball-reference.com terms the time period of 1947 to the present - here are the all-time best gopherballers and aiders and abettors to larceny (min 1000 innings pitched):
Highest Career HR/9 Allowed (min. 1000 innings):
Rk Player HR/9 IP From To Age
1 Scott Elarton 1.62 1065.1 1998 2008 22-32
2 Bruce Chen 1.61 1092.0 1998 2011 21-34
3 Brian Anderson 1.54 1547.0 1993 2005 21-33
4 Jose Lima 1.53 1567.2 1994 2006 21-33
5 Eric Milton 1.52 1582.1 1998 2009 22-33
6 Rick Helling 1.46 1526.1 1994 2006 23-35
7 Ramon Ortiz 1.45 1409.0 1999 2011 26-38
8 James Baldwin 1.38 1322.2 1995 2005 23-33
9 Ted Lilly 1.37 1848.0 1999 2011 23-35
10 Oliver Perez 1.35 1111.2 2002 2010 20-28
Dodger fans have had the distinct pleasure of watching exactly half of these gentleman present their offerings to salivating hitters while donning Dodger Blue.
Highest Career SB% Allowed (min. 1000 innings):
Rk Player SB% IP From To Age
1 Bob Wickman 85% 1059.0 1992 2007 23-38
2 Steve Bedrosian 84% 1191.0 1981 1995 23-37
3 Ed Halicki 84% 1063.0 1974 1980 23-29
4 Jose Contreras 83% 1154.1 2003 2011 31-39
5 Dennis Eckersley 83% 3285.2 1975 1998 20-43
6 Fred Hutchinson 83% 1096.1 1947 1953 27-33
7 Freddy Garcia 82% 2047.0 1999 2011 24-35
8 Ted Lilly 82% 1848.0 1999 2011 23-35
9 Jake Peavy 81% 1543.1 2002 2011 21-30
10 Dick Tidrow 81% 1746.2 1972 1984 25-37
Lilly is the sole Dodger representative on this list, and it is pretty clear that his presence on both lists makes him a prime candidate to top any list that takes both categories into account. There are a number of ways to analyze the statistics together, many of which are likely beyond my capability to conjure up, for example, attempting to weight each stat for the amount of damage it does to run probabilities or some such thing. I took a simpler cut at it. Some studies have shown that a 75% SB% is the "break-even point"; that is, the point where the advantages gained by the successful steals is exactly counterbalanced by the costs accrued by the runners that were thrown out. This is also the success rate that renowned base thieves achieve or better. Without further ado, here are all the pitchers that have allowed their opposition as a whole to be great stealers and have allowed a HR/9 greater than 1.125 (the equivalent of 1 HR every 8 innings). This list is also for the Integration Era and with 1000 IP minimum:
Rk Player SB% HR/9 IP From To Age
1 Ted Lilly 82% 1.37 1848.0 1999 2011 23-35
2 Tim Wakefield 77% 1.16 3178.0 1992 2011 25-44
3 Ervin Santana 76% 1.14 1226.0 2005 2011 22-28
4 Jason Johnson 76% 1.20 1357.0 1997 2008 23-34
5 Hideo Nomo 75% 1.14 1976.1 1995 2008 26-39
6 Jose Lima 75% 1.53 1567.2 1994 2006 21-33
Of course Lilly stands alone atop this august group of hurlers. Interestingly enough, the Dodgers have employed four of these six moundsmen at one time or another.
The conclusion is a simple one: Ted Lilly has always allowed home runs and stolen bases at high rates, but he is approaching new heights - or depths - this season. In this case, the numbers and the eyes are in full agreement.
All statistics courtesy of the indispensable Baseball-Reference.com.
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Casey Kotchman will get a lucrative one or two year deal
but not from the Rays. Loney will get one more chance with someone else’s major league team
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Will be saying Es Lima Time for Lilly’s starts from now on. Thank you for the suggestion, Dave.
@andrewngrant
Eric/Brandon are such machines and Phil sneaks in an article or preview every once in a while. It threw me off guard that you had snuck one in. The fact that I thought it was an ERIC article should be a compliment. :)
Is Lilly the only left handed pitcher
on those two last stolen base lists? Left handed pitchers should be able to hold runners on first base better. Which adds to the sadness.
He is, but he’s sucked at this his whole career and it hasn’t really hurt him.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I would pay
to see this really happen to Cage
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Clearly
the inspiration for Burning Man.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Good work, Dave.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
In the dead thread, there was a question — will tonight be the night that the Dodgers defy the odds and hit Lee? Meercat suggests that it’s baseball and anything can happen on any given night.
I propose Humma’s Law:
Anything can happen, but it won’t.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
We have Rivera now
wgt, as long as he doesn’t have to do any baserunning in Utley’s vacinity.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
suspension seems to be off the table?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
For Being This Damn Cool
Hell yes
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
cool people usually do
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If getting caught on camera having Cameron Diaz feed me popcorn is supposed to be a negative, sign me up eight days a week.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
eight days a week
Hmm, looks like Cameron has an opening on Hummaday. Are you available?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
fetch me a celebrity, preferably blonde female
I must feed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
can’t we have both?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
That has to be Photoshopped…why does he have a bunch of guys standing behind him at a high stakes poker table?
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
photo shoot
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
talk poker
Well, A-Rod, now he’s done it.
Just when it thought he’d won it
When the dealer gave him aces in the hole
But when the Post man heard it
The pot, you know, he stirred it
Faster than a ball hit to foul pole
We’re talkin’ poker
Ivey and Juanda
Talkin’ Poker
Negranu and “The Grinda”
Names are gettin’ dragged on through the mud
Ever since this landed with a thud —
We’re talkin’ A-Rod, Torre and the Bud
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
(applause)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Any chance Rivera gets plunked
and we then get to see Victirino plunked? Please say yes.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
and then we get to plunk victirino?!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Doubt it
Didn’t seem like malicious intent by Rivera, and he got the worst of the collision anyway.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Are their pitchers with a 6.2 k/9 rate in AA
that then have success in the bigs?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Mark Buehrle had a 5.2 K/9 rate in 16 Double A starts.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Kirk Rueter had a 5.4 K/9 rate in 9 Double A games (8 starts), but was also 5-0 with a 1.36 ERA.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Cook: 6.0 K/9 in 20 Double A starts
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Greg Maddux: 4.9 K/9 in 8 Double A starts
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
are you a god?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No, he’s an Uncle.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
With the names above I was going to ask Nolander to define “success” but Maddux makes that non relevant.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Obviously Garret Richard is going to be Greg Maddux
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Mark Buehrle has had a sneaky great career.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Tom Glavine also 6.1
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
The second guy I looked up was Jon Garland, but he was 7.4
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Zach Lee
The only problem I see right now is the strikeout numbers. His 2.83 walk rate is strong for a teenager and he’s not that hittable either. He has much better numbers than Eo did at 19 in the same league. I bet he takes off once Chuck Crim gets a hold of him.
hr/9 of .8 isn't great
but not horrible?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Why are people having a problem with 8.1 k/9 right now
I’m a little confused.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Did he pitch yesterday?
I checked around 3 PM yesterday and that’s what it was then…unless I’ve gone crazy.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He pitched on Saturday
5ip
1 run
3 hits
1 K
2 BBs
20 batters faced
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Both Lee and Gould look pretty freaking solid to me right now.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=456&stn=true&sid=t456
Lee given his age is doing really well.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
but he isn't pitching as good as Kershaw!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
even when they are 18?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
19 and yeah.
I’m not saying they never turn out, it just seems like those are the guys that let you down.
@andrewngrant
Kershaw is the only one who has not let us down.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
he had a few games where he really stunk it up
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Callback?
Only Pynchon I’ve read, and it was this past winter, as mentioned here.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I don’t keep up with your reading habits David : )
But it’s really the only accessible Pynchon. You can’t read Mason & Dixon without a thorough knowledge of Victorian American slang and technology
I tried to read one
of Pynchon’s books and threw it away in disgust. Not Gravity’s Rainbow, but the title escapes me.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Ithink that was it
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Gould is looking great
Lee is too IMO. I’m incredibly happy to see guys this young doing just so well.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The thing is, MWL is a very friendly pitching league, Loons field is the friendliest. They are doing good, but are they doing Great? I don’t think so. Not 5,000,000 worth of great anyway. Gould is doing solid work for his draft spot.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
its 5 mil either way
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
No
If you don’t think he is a $5 million talent, you shouldn’t spend $5 million.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
With Lee, I think he’ll be fine if his arm holds up.
He’s only really had 3 bad outings all year and two of the three were his first two starts after he was out with the arm fatigue. The 3rd one was his 4th start back after. I love that he has pretty good command and is generally around the plate.
"Fast just got Faster"
7.7 K/9 isn’t terrible, and 75 hits allowed in 86 IP is really friggin good.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
whats the batting average on balls in play
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Lilly needs to start
throwing his arms up in the air for each home run like Odalis used to do. I loved that.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
He should really do THAT every time
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
This makes me very happy
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Lilly should plan something special for when he passes Matt Kemp for the team HR lead.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
We will never know what Nitro does when someone hits a home run off of him
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
so they really call him Nitro?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
x
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
filmed at the LA Memorial Sports Arena!
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I enjoyed it
but only watched a few shows.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
that upraised fist is a salute to the penis he sacrificed to the gods of latex and roids
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
With all the steroids that guy took, there’s no way he could throw a ball. He could barely get his arms up to the the tennis ball launcher.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
at a certain point, wouldn’t one go: “I’ve had enough steroids. Look, my penis has vanished”
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be worth it for “hey, I’m Nitro.”
Or “hey, I’m Nitro. Go ahead, break a chair on me”
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Seaman Buckman: The name’s Buckman.
Seaman Nitro ‘Mike’: Uh… Nitro, hi.
Seaman Buckman: Interesting nickname, what’s your real name?
Seaman Nitro ‘Mike’: Nitro.
[pauses]
Seaman Nitro ‘Mike’: I’m working on a nickname, though.
Seaman Buckman: Oh yeah?
Seaman Nitro ‘Mike’: Yeah. Listen to this… Mike.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
they have hcg now
its all good
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I resent the “too buff to be athletic” too
it used to pain me when I would hear some equate muscles with coordination and athletic ability.
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I hear Arnold Schwartzenyeager is terrible at basketball
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Arnold Schwartzenyeager
Didn’t he get the MVP with Sylvester Ceylone and…. um… shit, this whole joke falls apart because there isn’t a 1980s action hero whose name sounds like “Guerrero.”
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I resent the “too buff to be athletic” too
it used to pain me when I would hear some equate muscles with coordination and athletic ability.
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
To be fair you can get really effing buff and still be athletic.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
So Dan Uggla has a 29-game hitting streak
and we all remember that Ethier had a 30-game hitting streak earlier this year. Last night, Pure Azure asked when was the last time there were two 30-game hitting streaks in one year and it has actually happened a few times.
I posted this last night but figured I’d post it here too in case anyone was interested.
Via Baseball Almanac.
In 2006, Chase Utley (35) and Willy Tavares (30), as well as Jimmy Rollins hitting streak (38) which started in ’05 and ended in ’06. That wast he most recent.
Before that, 1999 Vlad Guerrero (31) and Luis Gonzalez (30), 1997 Sandy Alomar (30), Nomar (30) with Hal Morris (32) with Hal Morris (32) carrying one over.
In the 80s, 1987 with Paul Molitor (39) and Benito Santiago (34) and 1980 with Ken Landreaux (31) and George Brett (30).
Before that, you had to go back to 1923 when Charlie Grimm had 30 and Harry Heilmann had 32, but both carried over from 1922.
In 1897, Willie Keeler (45) and Gene DeMntreville (36) both carried over streaks.
I wonder where Willy Tavares went
He really declined badly the last few years. In his rookie year of 2005 he struck out 103 times while hitting only 3 HRs. Yikes.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I think his career was over when the A’s traded having to employ Wily Tavarez for Adam Rosales.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
one of the more unlikely players
to accomplish a long hitting streak…has never been an average guy and no speed
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
x
Rob Neyer wrote about Uggla:
If Uggla gets a hit on Tuesday night, he’ll almost certainly be the unlikeliest player to ever have a 30-game hitting streak. That isn’t just because he was in a horrific slump — though without checking, I’d wager that unless any of the 54 streaks started in the first week of a season, none of the hitters were under .200 when the streak started. No, Uggla would be the unlikeliest player with a 30-game hitting streak because his career batting average is .258. Here’s the distrubution of career batting averages for every player who had a 30+ game hitting streak:
I love the “If Uggla gets a hit on Tuesday night.” Does this chart really look all that different if it’s based on a 29-game hit streak, which Uggla has right now? It’s already a remarkable streak. No “it will be a remarkable streak if…” is necessary.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Uggla is basically the non-Dodger that I’m most obsessed with. His BABIP was below .200 the first three months. Then all of a sudden all those balls he hit started turning into hits and his BABIP was .328 in July and is .381 in August.
In August he has yet to hit an infield fly ball and is hitting line drives all over the place (20%). It would be amazing if he finished the season hitting, say, .240.
The shitty thing is
Uggla has hit for so much power in this streak, Ethier’s looks like a crapfest compared I bet.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
People seem to only remember the last week of Ethier's streak for some reason
he was raking for the first 20 some games of the streak.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
1.022 OPS during his streak
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yeah, that's great and all
But if you’re in a hitting streak you would expect gaudy numbers. I’m off to check Uggla’s.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Uggla is at 1.130
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
touche'!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
ethier has a 50 point higher OBP
but Uggla had a much higher slugging
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I'd honestly rather have the more powerful one given the team that we have
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
he was hitting in front of kemp!
he still is!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Dave – thank you for this excellent view of a career in decline.
Mark this waystation – It could get worse, and usually does (another Humma corollary)
or his peripherals could be telling the truth
and he is just having an extremely unlucky season. I’m not betting on it either way.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
x
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
“I’m Shaq’s miniature girlfriend. I don’t need to dress well”
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
if we breed, maybe we will get a normal sized human
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
“if you ever take that thing out in a dressing room again it’s over”
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
This girl won two seperate reality shows on vh1 apparently
so… yeah
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I love money has a cash prize
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
context please
is this a good thing or a bad thing?
and fwiw – she’s attractive in a small mean faced kind of way
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
it means she is probably super trashy
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
She knows what dating Bret Michaels and Flava Flav is like and you never will.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Never? There’s still time. All he needs is the hall pass from Mrs. Nola.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
and a new found appetite for old grody dudes
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Just wait, young man. There will come a time when Flava Flav will approach you and say, “I can take you away from all this,” and you will think, well, that doesn’t sound half bad, and besides, they don’t call him Flava Flav for nothing….
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
“no, you cannot eat me, if we were stuck on a desert island and you got really hungry”
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Howabout
if they were stuck on a dessert island. Could he eat her then?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
is the island part of a greater buffet?
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Shaq's response
“Look, sweetie, I like you and everything, and I know you’re just trying to be cute, but when you call me ‘Daddy,’ I get creeped out.”
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why skirts are known as catty
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From Family Guy
Peter/Han Solo “Hey look, it’s the only other girl in the universe”
Lois/Princess Leia “I don’t like her”
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Why call her out for her attire? It’s not like Shaq is posing for the cover of GQ here.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If I had the kind of bank, I wouldn’t dress like a frumpy teen, is all I’m sayin
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
If you had that kind of bank, you never would have seen this picture, because you’d be drinking mai tais on a private island somewhere while Andre Ethier attended to your every need.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, you would totally dress to the nines while walking with your sugar daddy dressed in tank top and blue jean shorts.
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oh he would not be allowed to wear a tank top and blue jean shorts
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why, you don’t have bank.
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or a sugar daddy
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I thought every girl was crazy about a sharp dressed man.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I have no understanding of what the females species is crazy about, I only know one truth. Men don’t like being told what to do.
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Dogs, employees, teenagers – all happier when told what to do
everyone else, not so much
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You haven't met
my female lab
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I know of no teenagers that enjoy being told what to do
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they, like dogs and employees, pull against it, but are ultimately healthier and happier when they know where the boundaries lie
they want them
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
teens, like dogs and employees, pull against being told what to do, but are ultimately happier and healthier when they know the boundary is there and consistent
teens without boundaries are not a happy bunch
they want it
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
for the record
no man should wear jean shorts, own jean shorts, or tank tops
no white jeans either, unless you are in San Tropez or Porto Fino
purge your closets gents, you can thank me later
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
That will be my softball uniform
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how long have you been from the isle of Lesbos?
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been wearing tank tops for 43 years if that is what you are asking, and all my jeans eventually end up jean shorts.
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If you grow a soccer mullet I will be so stoked
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to vote to not have this as a team uniform
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You try telling Shaq that.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Shaq is usually a well dressed man, but just look how out of place they look in front of a nice boutique.
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
“hey Shaq you know we appreciate your business but we’re trying to create sort of a mood in here so if you wouldn’t mind coming back later and”
/throws clerk into space
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
oh you just made me belly laugh, well done!
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, Shaq just bought regular person jeans.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I used to feel the same way. Then I had children. Now I think, y’know, if I have managed to dress myself at all, that is a battle that has been won.
There is a reason that every child thinks that his/her father dresses like a dork: because his/her father is too consumed by everything else to avoid dressing like a dork.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
just buy simple standards – you cant screw them up
in any order they work
it is when we specialize that we go bad
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Once you have devoted parts of your life to cleaning up feces, you lose a layer of giving a shit.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I choose to assume this is an open air emporium, that it is recent, and that it was really effin hot and humid. The weather in Flordia too, where they presumably are.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
One gets the feeling that Josie has not met humidity
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A joke, and a response, like two ships, passing in the night.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Heard this: Shaq has Humma envy.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I thought this was kind of cool
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Caption: “You’re gonna need a bigger boat.”
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now there’s the woman Shaq should be dating.
by fbihop on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Best one yet.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Back to Lilly...what was Koufax in 1963?
Highest SB% Allowed
1955: 50%
1956: 67%
1957: 83%
1958: 75%
1959: 33%
1960: 45%
1961: 46%
1962: 62%
1963: 92%
1964: 45%
1965: 80%
1966: 72%
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
OK, stipulated. But why the spike in steals?
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
go ahead, steal the base
you’ll have a better view as I strike your buddy out
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Even then Sandy knew he only had so many throws left in his shoulder/elbow and damn if he was going to waste them on something as insignificant as a baserunner.
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I give up ;-)
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Were you looking for a real answer?
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Bizarrely enough, yes, I was curious.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Regarding 12 stolen bases in an entire year?
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tough crowd
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
At least we put some distance from that creepy German water sculpture.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
If it was a James Bond movie a submersible device would be hiding down below in the nether regions.
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A Roger Moore James Bond movie, yes, and Richard Kiel would make it surface like an orca.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Then Sheriff J. W. Pepper would leap her head in an airboat.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems a tad fluky
The 93% stands out, but it was just 11 steals in 12 attempts.
Look at it this way:
1961: 299 runners on base (H + BB + HBP + ROE – HR), 13 SB attempts, 4.35% of the time
1962: 191 runners, 8 SB attempts, 4.19%
1963: 272 runners, 12 SB attempts, 4.41%
1964: 206 runners, 11 SB attempts, 5.34%
1965: 284 runners, 20 SB attempts, 7.04%
1966: 309 runners, 18 SB attempts, 5.83%
It doesn’t look like they were running wild on Sandy or anything in 1963. Maybe just a few bounced throws here and there contributed to the 11 for 12.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you Eric.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
or put another way, if Koufax and Roseboro caught runners at or near Koufax’s career rate (65.8%), runners would have been 8 for 12 instead of 11 for 12, so this is all of three extra runners in scoring position (or better scoring position)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Welp, I guess it's still pop-u-lar
Remember Humma, when Iago said popular like that. Before he realized the rat was a genius?
Red Sox-Yankees series pulls high TV ratings atmlb.com/o6hAf2
Someday you’ll all realize that Northern East Coast loves baseball at a much higher rate then West Coast fans.
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Is Chicago the sharpest dressed city in the United States?
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Yes, since it’s never jorts weather.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Aug 9, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been told by the internet they have good Mexican food
this surprised me
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not at the place i ate at on the south side. the carne asada burrito was creamy
and i didnt recognize why. trash can.
Some decent high-end places
but nothing else
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
more than that
they have good taquerias all over the place and the Mexican neighborhoods like Pilsen and Humboldt Park have great spots.
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Yeah
I’m basing my experience on downtown, north river district. I’m sure its better elsewhere
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
oh OK
most of those places are whitewashed…Cemitas Puebla is divine
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You be the judge
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Can anyone name the 3rd baseman?
1963 lineup is fairly famous for most Dodger fans who know their history. According to Baseball Ref the positions are:
1st – Fairly
2nd – Gilliam
SS – Wills
3rd –
C – Roseboro
CF – Willie Davis
RF – Frank Howard
LF – Tommy Davis
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No idea
Kennedy?
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I love this answer because he is also a part of another Dodgers-related trivia question that is awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw him play as a non – Dodger and then saw him come back to the Dodgers which was cool.
Is the Trivia question related to his pinch hitting skills?
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Nope
Longest time in between opening day starts IIRC
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Far more obscure
Who was the Dodgers’ opening day 3B in 2001?
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
call back to the reading to much into Sept numbers.
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That was the year Adrian Beltre had his appendectomy in the back of some dude’s van in the Dominican
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Phillips
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The answer to the 2001 question is Chris Donnels BTW
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
1962’s OD third baseman is even more obscure. Or was to me, anyway.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 9, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
To open Dodger Stadium no less!
Third baseman for hire, I guess.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Man… is Casey Blake is the third-best Dodger third baseman since the move to LA?
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends where you slot Pedro Guerrero, but probably.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless you call him a second baseman.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Games played at 3B, LA Dodgers
Rk Player #Matching PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB BA OBP SLG OPS
1 Ron Cey 1469 Ind. Games 6098 5206 1377 223 18 228 842 765 .265 .360 .446 .805
2 Adrian Beltre 957 Ind. Games 3806 3453 948 176 18 147 510 283 .275 .332 .464 .795
3 Jim Gilliam 765 Ind. Games 3189 2693 715 114 16 21 214 423 .266 .366 .343 .709
4 Jeff Hamilton 390 Ind. Games 1244 1178 276 61 3 24 120 42 .234 .263 .352 .615
5 Tim Wallach 383 Ind. Games 1512 1367 344 65 5 47 199 117 .252 .313 .410 .723
6 Pedro Guerrero 374 Ind. Games 1576 1395 400 63 14 52 208 153 .287 .357 .464 .821
7 Casey Blake 365 Ind. Games 1513 1324 349 70 9 48 183 144 .264 .341 .439 .780
8 Dave Hansen 294 Ind. Games 864 757 194 33 2 9 66 100 .256 .343 .341 .684
9 Lenny Harris 265 Ind. Games 864 790 232 33 5 3 69 53 .294 .340 .359 .699
10 Mike Sharperson 255 Ind. Games 796 686 203 29 4 5 63 87 .296 .374 .372 .746
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 8/9/2011.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, but he Gilliam has more games at 2B than at 3B.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, the whole conversation is pointless, anyway. Who constructs an all-time third-string team?
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This sounds like a fun offseason project
For spite, if not for anything else :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I will try to remember!
I am trying to figure out whether Blake would make the all-time third-string team. It would depend on how you constructed the rules of the game.
It’s complicated because Gilliam can play 2B, so even if you pass him over on the first two teams (Lopes and Kent? And I’m not even sure I do that…), Gilliam can play 2B on the third-string team, unless I’m missing somebody. Guerrero is probably taken to play the outfield on one of the top two teams, right?
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ken McMullen for my question
Daryl Spender for LBB question
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McMullen started opening day at 3B for the Dodgers in 1963…then 10 years later did it again.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
let’s get back to this one :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
So all the Dodgers need to do is trade for Adrian Beltre in 2015.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
McMullen was born in The Nard
came to some of our local Little League events. I think our pancake breakfast one year.
This seems like a cool minor league promotion
The Lookouts will be giving away a surprise premium collectible item to the first 1,000 fans who enter the gate at this Thursday’s game against the Birmingham Barons. The 7:15 PM scheduled game will also feature “$1,000 Thursday” in which one lucky fan will receive $1,000, while others will receive valuable coupons to use around AT&T Field.
My point was that I was confused that the Lookouts would be giving away coupons for the Giants ballpark. I didn’t realize there are two AT&T Fields.
Theres like a million Honda Centers
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The Giants play at AT&T Park.
The Chattanooga Lookouts, the Dodgers’ Double A affiliate, play at AT&T Field.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
there is only one AT&T Field, which was formerly Bell South Park until AT&T purchased Bell South in 2007.
AT&T Park (which was formerly Pacific Bell Park aka Pac Bell Park then it was SBC from 2003-2005 until SBC merged with AT&T in 2006).
I'm suddenly reminded
of the movie Network
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
All I can think about today is Children of Men, with its images of the Uprising in England. Scary stuff.
that's dicey stuff
but the news from the Horn of Africa is really bad, of course London gets 1000x the coverage.
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Evil and Dangerous Men
dodgereric created another masterpiece with his latest Dodgers song at http://bit.ly/nBABbZ
Scott Elarton
was traded for Pedro Astacio at the deadline in 2001. Sometimes it is better to stand pat.
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Ted Lilly was good when we traded for him last year. It just really bothers me that Ned was pondering “Do I really think Ted Lilly can perform like this forthe next three years? Yes, yes I do,” and BAM! we got Dave writing stories like these.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 9, 2011 1:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Probably closer to “do I really think Ted Lilly has a better chance of performing for the next three years than any other pitcher out there”
@andrewngrant
he was one of the top 5 fa pitchers
up there with kuroda (who we signed) and de la rosa (who died)
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
probably the 3/4th depending on how you feel about De La Rosa
and each player had their plusses and minuses.
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I didn't like his injury history
for once, I was right. He still might win though if he is healthy next year and the year after.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I don’t think that any contracts veteran imagine that they’ll get much production out of them the last year – or if longer (5+ years) the last two years. It’s just the cost of doing business to get them for the next couple of years, you have to pay for a year or so of what is going to be highly-paid early retirement. If you’re lucky, you can either make good use of them off the bench or trade them at a big loss to another team looking for the same.
I think that’s right. Colletti was more concerned with what the rotation looked like in 2011 than 2013. Two-count-em-two starting pitchers were under contract, and after watching Monasterios/Ely suck up a rotation spot for a season, he wanted better options. He gambled with Lilly, and he lost….
…but for people like me, it is a comforting thought that the Dodgers were probably screwed no matter what they did this offseason. Simply too many holes to fill.
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Nostalgia
Heading into play two years ago today, the Dodgers were 67-44, the best record in the NL, and four and a half games ahead of the next-best team in the league, the Phillies.
as long
as there’s no room for Stairs
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
bref thinks lackey is 1.2 war worse then lilly
and fangraphs thinks lackey is .6 better. Fun.
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I posted an update on the field situation in the softball thread
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
There will be a hearing next week on whether or not the Dodgers need to decide on continuing with their
contract with the vendor who sells concessions at Dodger Stadium. In 2010, the Dodgers renegotiated their contract with the vendor (it included a bonus of 500K to be paid each year for five years plus a guarantee of 4 million royalty to be paid to the Dodgers for the first four years and then 4.5 million the second four years.
The vendor is asking the Court to ask the Dodgers to decide before the end of the 2011 season whether or not their existing contract will be assumed or rejected by the Court (similarly, the Court could reject the existing contract with Fox Sports West).
The vendor claims it will lose up to 2.5 million for the first two years of the contract with the Dodgers due to lower sales the last two years.
And they have closed about half the vendors for most games
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Last night the windows (CPK? and Zarco Tequila) behind Section 1 and 3 of the reserved level were closed. This is not the first time this season I’ve seen stands on the Reserved level between the bases closed. I don’t think I had ever seen that before this year.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yea, I was amazed. Top Deck was half closed when I was there, and that means hardly anything was up there
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
At some point in July
This vendor stopped providing lids for the plastic cups of draft beer. They also instructed all the employees to stop filling the cups when there is two fingers of foam at the top. Sounds like they are scraping to save money.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I thought you only bought the extra-large bottle of Blue Moon.
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When I complained about this on twitter a couple weeks ago, Dylan Hernandez replied that he had read a Japanese study that concluded that there is more alcohol in the foam so that the vendors may be “doing me a favor.” Of course I replied that that was esp. the case while watching the Dodgers this year.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I could believe the alcohol converts to a gas (the foam) more easily. Alcohol certainly evaporates much more quickly than water.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Here is how I read that:
1. The foam has more alcohol than the beer, but
2. This only does you any good if you chug the beer.
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I think I could manage to suck the foam off the top mighty quick and leave the rest of the beer intact.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You do if you are trying to maximize the buzz effect, apparently.
You also don’t drink a proper pint (or pint and one half) from a plastic cup.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Dodger Stadium frowns on my attempts to bring a 24oz glass cup into the stadium.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
pet peeve alert
They now sell reusable “water bottles” that are designed to look like a generic plastic cup with a straw in it. Tack-ee.
My mom has those
she uses them at home when she is in the living room or taking a beverage upstairs
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oh they are super tacky looking
but they are functional!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I found this article on the beer cup sizes at Dodger stadium
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by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
How about those riots?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
As Josie will know, a proper pint is 20 oz, not 16. And the head is supposed to be on top (or some of it anyway), so a 24 oz. receptacle with two fingers of foam within is going to be about 20 oz. or so. Too bad about the plastic, though.
a proper pint is 20 oz, not 16
Well, hell, THAT’S confusing.
What I actually miss is the lid. Good protection from crap from above, including my own peanut shells, flying into my cup.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Will they give you a lid if you request one?
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If you’re used to English pubs, where an (Imperial) pint is 20 oz. up to the line, a US pint is a big drop-off. It also explains why you don’t have half-pints here (in England 10 oz. good for a quick social moment where you don’t want much alcohol effect), since 8 oz., would be ridiculous, but go for 12-oz glasses and bottles instead.
1. it’s not called foam, it’s head
2. proper head is essentially to a proper pint
by Josie Becker on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with it if the proper pint is served in the proper pint glass, with a line to where the beer shall be liquid beneath and head above.
In a plastic cup, it’s just a way for them to give you less beer, and maybe a lot less beer.
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I think the lesson I’m learning here, is that drinking beer at a stadium is rubbish, unless they give you a bottle to drink out of
That is why I overpay for the plastic bottle of the Gordon Biersch Marzen when I partake at hteh Stadium. Yeah, it’s too expensive. Meh.
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you’re not just paying for the plastic bottle, you’re paying for the fact that it’s forbidden to bring your own in
Agreed. What does that bottle cost in the supermarket? $1? $2, maybe?
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Dodger Stadium, a 56,000 seat rip-off beer garden.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
All beer gardens are ripoffs.
Except for the one in England where my buddy asked the waitress if he could buy her shirt, and she said yes, and took it off.
My buddy didn’t have any cash, so I paid 15 pounds for that shirt, and it was worth every penny.
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Was that when the pound was worth $2, or much less?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
So, if someone says
the really like foam, you know what they are talking about
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
MLB stadiums are not english pubs. You’re not getting a proper pint either way.
"Fast just got Faster"
well of course, but if someone’s pulling you a pint, I’d rather have some head then have them dump the dirty spigot in there
My Firestone DBA, even in a plastic cup, did not suck. The foam/head on my wife’s Miller Lite is, however, utterly pointless.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Sam Adams Light is quite drinkable, IMHO. I think I was able to get that from the cocktail waitresses in a casino or two.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The calories of four of those equal three of the regulars, or something like that.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
win-win
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I agree. My point is the people pouring beer at a stadium don’t know what they’re doing so you’re not getting a well-poured beer with a good head that you’re gonna drink past anyways.
"Fast just got Faster"
I’ve never paid $11 for a beer, nor ever drank at a professional sporting event. I’m Frank McCourts worst nightmare. :)
I also suspect that the kegs are not tapped quite right, nor is the system properly primed or something.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I’m sure they don’t clean the lines regularly and wouldn’t surprise me if they just leave the tanks on from day to day leading to increase in stale/dirty beer.
"Fast just got Faster"
The vendor
who filed the motion only sells non-consumable concessions, as far as I can tell Levy has not filed any motions re their existing contracts.
Not knowing a lot about bankruptcy law before the Dodgers filed, it is interesting to me the power the Bankruptcy Court has, it can shed unfavorable contracts with no regard of any breach or other claim by the other party, it can negotiate new payment terms, it really was an option that MLB should have seen coming.
I was thinking the other day about companies that make plastic bags for grocery stores and what might happen to their employees
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They go back to brushing lead paint on toys.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Remember those SNL sketches
where Dan Ackyrod would play some low life manufacturer of “children’s toys” like Bag of Glass?
Johnny Doctor
(which was a bag of medical waste)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 9, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The people who shop at my local ralphs
are typically lower-middle income people. And they are pissed about the ban
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
it’s funny living by the shoestring extention, the Food 4 Less in unincorporated LA is effected, but the albertsons and ralphs two blocks down isn’t
There are Ralphs two blocks away from each other by me. One has plastic bags, one doesn’t. I just assumed one was trying to steal some customers away by offering illicit plastic bags.
@andrewngrant
For what it’s worth, I love the ban.
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I need to get the bags back in my trunk
so that I can get to the point where I forget to bring them into the store from my tunk
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
But they don't ban
the thin plastic bags you use in the produce section. What’s up with that? The ban also doesn’t seem to have any sympathy for my dog-walking needs.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I love living in a neighborhood with dog walking stations all around
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
your neighborhood
has poop bag stations? Where the fuck do you live, Stepford?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
laguna hills
my apartment complex before that had them too. Its amazing how many people wouldn’t walk 15 feet to grab a bag and pick up their dogs crap.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The two on Lincoln?
Maybe one is technically unincorporated county and the other in the city of LA?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Per this map, perhaps the one where the 90 ends is technically Venice, a community in the city of LA. Is that the one with the plastic bags still. The south one must be Marina Del Rey, unincorporated.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
John McClain
Matt Leinart has looked outstanding in camp. He’s made perfect throws on deep routes, slant routes and fade routes. The coaches love him.
also
John McClain is useless, I wouldn’t take him too seriously.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Hans Gruber already made that mistake.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 9, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You ask for miracles, I give you the NFL
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
How was it this only had 1 rec before just now, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Gary Kubiak is a wizard with QBs
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Probably less
assuming the defense is actually better, and Tate stays healthy.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I suspect that should read
Matt Leinart is leading raves
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Aug 9, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leinart isn't a rave guy
hot tubs on the other hand…
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Who knows, maybe he's better now, stranger things have happened, but will add
that the list of QBs who looked good in training camp and even in exhibition games and then crapped the bed in regular season is a pretty long one. But since Leinart has often looked bad in training camp practice too, I’ll take it as a good sign for him.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The only thing worse then debating power rankings
is debating Madden player rankings
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
That is pretty crazy though, haha
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Watching the New Mexico-Lousiana LLWS game on ESPN2 right now and the pitcher for New Mexico was throwing around 85% breaking balls (not an exaggeration). Craziness.
Ya, pitching used to dominate these things but it seems the tide is shifting towards hitters. There will always be a few that throw straight gas (helps that some of these 12 or 13 year olds are 6 feet tall), but most of the time it seems these kids throw more breaking balls than major leaguers. I mean, when throwing a 2-0 breaking ball in little league is expected, something is definitely wrong.
Anyone remember the URL of the web site time machine. I need to check something out on our Web Site from a year ago.?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
much better
than getting injured by fucking himself…that would be really bad
by Hollywood Joe on Aug 9, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
There are unconfirmed rumors that Sizemore is changing his name to Rafael Furcal.
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he's gonna have to fight reyes for it
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
MTSI has the exclusive transcript of a conversation between Clayton Kershaw and Ted Lilly on the Phillies’ lineup:
Kershaw: Shane Victorino is next, if he’s not suspended. He’s kind of an asshole. It’d be best to get him out so there’s not men on base for Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Hunter Pence, but if you wanted to hit him in the face, I don’t think any of us would have a problem with it.
Lilly: /attempts to bean Victorino, allows homer
ah thats not fair
lilly has shown us he knows how to give a batter a good scare
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Appeal
I understand needing the ability to appeal some things, but I really think the brawl and his actions after it was broken up (trying to go at it again) should mean he can’t appeal.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel stupid at Vons giving the cashier my club card when they’re the ONLY place that makes you swipe it. Force of habit.
I always just
punch in my phone number at the terminal at the checkout line at either Vons or Pavillions
There is a nice Pavillions
On Alameda in Burbank. I wonder if SW was at the Vons on California, just west of Fair Oaks
I know that one too
there is a Chinese restaurant nearby that I can’t figure out why anyone would go to with Monterey Park, Alhambra and SGV so close by.
in which case you’re less subtle?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Aug 9, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Baseball bats
in the UK have gone up 6000% in price.
"Fast just got Faster"
Just shows the superiority of American sports when it comes to rioting. Cricket bats don’t get it done.
@andrewngrant
Baseball sales are up 2500% so I guess they figure when their done rioting they might as well learn that strange game in the colonies.
@andrewngrant
And for Maddz the biggest moving non baseball related sporting good is the Ultimate Zumba DVD.
@andrewngrant
Buyer need to combine the best of both worlds and get this:
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My problem with
just saying beer is that you could drive a lorry through the space between ale, lager, and stout
SB Brewing Co? I really wanted to go to Island Brewery last time I was in Carp, but it did not fit into the plans
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
the LA Zoo is having a local microbrew tasting on Friday evening. $40 to get in, but 12 different brewers will be present, and you get a souvenir tasting glass.
Do they make provisions for designated drivers for these things? Just wondering. If it is $40 to get in you would think so.
and to see ANIMALS!
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For a second I thought you said SB zoo, and I got excited. I love the SB zoo
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Meercats rule the LA Zoo
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Halloween Meerkat
I just love the fact they are all looking elsewhere.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Yea, the giraffe did die
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And the lions there do pee on you…the signs do not lie
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
Hollister Brewing Company
Camino Real Marketplace (i.e. the CostCo mall)
Goleta
Unlike SB Brewery, it’s got great brews. One of them is usually “live” as well. They also have excellent food, and Ssports TVs.
Is Brendan Scolari
still around TBLA? I saw him before when searching thru old threads, and now he’s in the “related posts” thingy.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
No, got busy with life.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
You either get busy at TBLA or get busy dying
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
We’re all dying.
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stealing this from facebook, but re: our beer discussion
IF YOU PURCHASED $1,000 of shares in American Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today. $1,000 of shares in AIG, you would have $33.00 today but, if you purchased $1,000 worth of beer, drank all the beer, turned in the aluminum cans for recycling, you would have $214.00. Therefore, the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It’s called the 401-Keg Plan.
I know it’s a cardinal rule of TBLA that we never let the facts get in the way of a good joke, but this happens to be untrue. If you’d bought $1,000 of AMR a year ago, you’d have, oh, $530 or so today. If you bought $1,000 of AIG a year ago, you’d have, eh, $580-ish.
Like I say, far be it from me to criticize. Just pointing it out.
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:)
The stock price wasn’t 1000 per share for each company ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
well duh : p
I really need to take a civics class and learn how stocks work. I see that it was 7.17 this time last year and it’s 3.33 now (for AMR) and I don’t know what that means to the joke
That means of that 1,000 it's less than 500 now :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
It means you would have been better off buying stock and losing 50% then drinking $1,0000 worth of beer if money was your concern, but if your stock was dropping 50% then you probably need to drink $1,000 worth of beer to drown your sorrow.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I was gonna say, still seems like a rubbish use of your money. Stuffing your mattress, now there’s the way to go
Keeping warm by burning it on a cold winter night — that is the way to go.
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Banana Ice Cream stores are the only safe place.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
What didn't you get about there is money in the banana stand??
I lined it with money!!
“No touching!”
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I said there’s always money in the banana stand!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stuffing your mattress
You’ll be blinded by that.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
yep. normal inflation is 3%, so assuming normalcy, the 1,000 2011 dollar bills under your mattress is worth $970 in 2012, $940.90 in 2013, $912.67 in 2014, and so on.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
but if you put 1,000 in a normal checking account and don’t touch it for a year, you’d have something like $970 anyhow, wouldn’t you?
You don't get charged interest in that case I'm fairly certain
You’d actually gain interest, whatever it may be for that bank. If you don’t touch it you should be somewhere around 15-30 dollars richer.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
not everywhere
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I have a checking and savings account
So I have no fees.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I don’t think anyone is giving you 1.5 – 3.0% interest on $1,000 checking accounts these days. You probably make a couple bucks, tops.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
On Aug 9th, 2010 AMR was worth 6.90 a share
$1,000 / 6.90 = 145 shares
On Aug 9th, 2011 AMR was worth 3.81 a share
145 * 145 shares = $552
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I think this is a recycled joke from 2008, when such dramatic price drops actually happened.
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Yes, they simply used the wrong stocks to make the joke.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I am sorry I brought it up. Like I say, never let the facts stand in the way of a good joke.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Meh
That kind of joke is only funny if it is, in fact, accurate.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If we are going to start insisting on accuracy, my posting is going to be severely limited.
Spare a thought for those of us who know nothing about anything. How are we supposed to comment if everything has to be accurate?
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This is hilarious!
An inaccurate response to a comment about accuracy! Where do I go from here?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Plus
you could write off the losses if you sell, and difficult to put a dollar value on the liver damage and AA classes. :)
Plus
What beer are we talking about here? Any beer that I could buy in that volume in a can is not a beer I want to drink
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
lets call him up
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I like to call that adjusting
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
3/1 K/BB Ratio ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
9 K's per 9
since his K per 9 is not less then 9 this start, hes a good prospect.. (someones logic higher in the thread)
I will hazard a guess that the referred-to logic wasn’t about single-game results.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
When I read this I honestly thought it was Josie saying it because of the last sentence, haha
What exactly has been going on?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
started after a gang member was shot last week, continued over the weekend, now it’s spreaded to Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds. They’re organizing over twitter, using the rivers instead of roads, police don’t usually carry firearms, etc.
I was walking with a friend in a terrible neighborhood in anaheim at 2 in the morning once
a cop car pulled up, shined their lights on us, and then made us put up our hands. They asked what we were doing out, and we told them just walking, they made me put my hands on their hood and kinda yelled at me cause they said i was being argumentative. Cops scare the fuck out of me, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
They were just looking for your donuts.
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I don’t blame an officer for being suspicious of two teenagers out at 2am in Anacrime.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I can understand why they were like that
Still very jarring to have it happen.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Plus
if you were about the same size you are now, you would be a very difficult person to handle if you were under the influence.
good point
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I had that happen once, was riding my bike home from school just before midnight, and the cops had the street blocked off. So I pulled up on the sidewalk. They pulled me over for riding on the sidewalk and not having a front headlight, searched my backpack and frisked me.
So I put a front light on, and the next week got pulled over for not having a light in the back, same routine.
wow, that's effing ridiculous
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Police treat bikers like they are cars
if you didn’t have front lights or back lights on your car you would also be pulled over. Not sure how they justify searching and the pat down though.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
As I understand it
police use the little violations to pull you over so they can look for bigger things
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
They were just trying to save little Josie’s life. Riding a bike at night without a light is not something you’d expect an intelligent person to do unless you didn’t want to be seen while riding your bike at night. In which case they might have thought you were the Dark Angel.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
the real issue is the frisking and pat down
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Yeah
the search would have to be only for probable cause and riding a bike without a light would not necessarily give one.
Since at any moment
someone can pull a gun and shoot a police officer, I can understand their attitude at times. Frankly, you probably should not be out walking without good reason that late at night.
And I say this as someone who had the exact thing happen to him back in the day.
It was a block where my friend lives and walks every night for exercise
Idk how she does it, that block is constantly being patrolled and yet there’s still shitty people EVERYWHERE!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Its north of south coast plaza in orange county
what did you expect? :-p
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
That's a pretty ritzy mall down there
Who knew it was the dividing line ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If it wasn't for that mall I would use the 55 as the dividing line
damn you mall!
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
As someone who only visits the OC and before my friend who lives in anaheim I just assumed the whole of Orange County was a great place to live, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Most people do
I’m also be snobby, the stuff south of the 55 is the snobby parts you think of when you see shows like The OC or Laguna Beach
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
The ex lived in Costa Mesa
So I got to see all the great areas of Orange County back then, because we only traveled above the 55 to go to Ducks games or Disneyland, not much outside of those places, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I drove
to Santa Monica for one girl.
Long Beach for a few others.
and Irvine for what turned out to be my wife. (from VTA County).
I drove from Boston to Los Angeles for a girl.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
been there done that
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
No. One drive, one time, over three weeks, with the girl in the car.
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next time just buy a webcam
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
James Franco?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Takes a lot of sacrifice to do that constantly
But when you care about the person it’s worth it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
That I did
/isn’tverysmart
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I have never been stopped by the cops for anything I didn’t deserve.
I think this is because I’m tiny. “Well, shit, even if he is loaded, the only person he’s gonna hurt is himself.”
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
also
white
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
time to get some rubber bullets
and put some punks down
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Is it fitting
That I’m watching V for Vendetta?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I can remember the smoke. There were definitely fires.
I was just sevenDAMN!
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what year was Rodney King?
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
April 26th, 1992, / there was a riot on the streets, / tell me where were you? / You were sittin’ home watchin’ your TV
I hadn’t turned 6 yet, 4Down was what, 3? I read about the riots several years later in a US History class.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I can remember, barely
the LA Times headlines during the Watts Riots……
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what are the watts riots? If this comes off as a joke, I apologize. I’ve not heard of this.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
The term Watts Riots of 1965 refers to a large-scale riot which lasted 6 days in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles, California, in August 1965. By the time the riot subsided, 34 people had been killed, 1,032 injured, and 3,438 arrested. It would stand as the most severe riot in Los Angeles history until the Los Angeles riots of 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots
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I was 4.5 years old. I suspect that I do not remember these newspapers first hand. In fact, I now recall that my dad had an LA Times that he kept where the riots were the headline, but he had a letter to the editor published on the op-ed pages. (And I’m not explaining any of that to the kiddies around here.)
I do certainly remember references to it as recent history.
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1965 Watts Riots
Took place over 6 days (46th anniversary is on Thursday). That was the beginning of disturbances that took place in several urban cities (Detroit and Chicago being two of the more well known) in the following years.
This is the comment of the day
and I’m not trying to make fun of you. It’s just amazing that something I’d never forget is unknown to someone I know.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’ve heard of the towers, and seen pictures in some elementary school textbook (turquoise tiles and glass, or am I thinking of something else?) but I couldn’t pick Watts out on a map.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
I was 9
and lived in a lilly-white neighborhood in the SGV, about 25 miles from Watts. But what I remember is all the fathers in the the block convinced that “the niggers were coming”.
My mother was disgusted at them.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
You should go to the Watts Towers
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting they taught him about the King riots but not the Watts riots when the Watts riots were a huge cultural event that had ramifications.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I imagine I might not have heard of either of them if I didn’t go to public school. Though Redondo Beach is about as private as you can be and still be public.
"Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination." - Vin Scully
in the LA riots
(Rodney King version) the storeowners sat perched on top of their stores with guns and lots of ammo (Koreatown).
It is bad enough
to explain the 1992 riots, though in my case the Watts riots I certainly knew of them early in my life.
Probably the first thing of consequence I recall is the King/RFK assassinations, Moon landing and locally, the Sylmar earthquake.
It's frankly unbelievable
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by Pure Azure on Aug 9, 2011 4:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I bet most people my age and younger who live east of the Mississippi don’t know what an E ticket is.
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I know what an E size print is
Disneyland ride tickets?
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Good Disneyland rides
Not the shitty A – D ticket rides
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
but I liked Mr Lincoln Theater!
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I think
A = Mr Lincoln Theater on Main street
B = Tom Sawyer Island
C = teacups/Mr. Toad
D = Sky buckets
E = Matterhorn
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I saw Iris at the Kodak last week. It was a pretty darn good show.
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If you bought anything from a pretty redhead in the boutique section that would be my niece.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I rode
the pack mule attraction. I think it was gone by the late 60’s
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The wildest ride in the wilderness?
I once stood in line for that ride and listened to that all the way. When I got to the top, I asked the operator if she was sure if it was really the wildest ride in the wilderness. After all, it’s the wilderness. Maybe there’s a wilder ride that hasn’t been discovered yet. She said, “You don’t have to ride if you don’t think you can handle it.”
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Dude, I’ve got a lot of tables
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 9, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
you were basically
asking for a certificate of wildness
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I need to read Behind the Ears again
or at least the 2nd volume
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I have no recollection of the “midget autopia”.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Humma does
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Remain seated please. Permanecer sentados, por favor.
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I have a set of of those tickets at home. Guess they are 40 years old.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
My family used to save them too. But they were all ! and B tickets
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
A and B
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Watts Tower should be seen by anyone living in LA. JMO
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Duh, just saying that since G Scott never heard of the Watts riots he may not even know of the existence of an amazing piece of architecture created by one man (not Italians), ONE Italian.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
And it wasn’t just the 30’s it was a life long endeavor once he started.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Simon Rodia
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I am old enough
to have been an LAUSD kid back when we took “field trips”. Watts Towers was a standard trip for a certain grade level, maybe 4th grade.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Never went from school
But I’ve been there a few times in my adult years. Maybe two years ago was my last visit. They are stunning. Even when the scaffolding was up
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Not even 3 as of then
That’s a hell of a long time ago
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
It was just yesterday. I expect iiidown along any time now to give you a swift slap across the back of your noggin.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
followed by him talking about how half of Simi Valley used to be orange groves ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He should remember when half of the San Fernando Valley was citrus groves.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
my Grandpa used to tell me about driving through those groves to Bakersfield to take the train to San Francisco when he was stationed up there with the Navy in WWII
Ohhhh yeah :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
As someone who was around and in the affected areas
It is somewhat different in that those events were within a given geographic area while this is going on all over the UK which while it may be a small country it is still not just located in the Greater London area.
For someone to throw out Rodney King as an example is someone who did not deal with the aftermath on the ground and in the community.
I stand
by my point.
To compare the two would be saying that you had a disturbance in Los Angeles and then the next night in San Diego and then tomorrow night Fresno. That is what is happening in the UK right now.
for g scott
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.1 To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.12
:-p
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Baseball bats are going up in price.
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Are these riots about the BBC editing out the Jon Stewart House of Commons bit?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Not sure
Irony Committee alert:
When you have to cancel a soccer match because you are concerned about safety outside the stadium, well then you have a problem.
Beltran's not doing much better to make the trade look good
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If Beltran
get’s a couple of key hits and the Giants advance in the playoffs, the Giants will consider it a success.
Jason Heyward is sitting for the fourth time in seven games. Isn’t it time to send him down to AAA so he can actually, you know, play?
Why do I have the urge to watch
A Clockwork Orange?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You like milk?
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Must see movie
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Its on a list of movies that I started but never cared to finish
but are supposedly all time classics so I plan on going back and rewatching
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you probably won’t like it
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netflix thinks I will
but they also don’t get why I didn’t like Taxi Driver
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weird that rivera is sitting against a lefty
does gwynn have good #s against lee?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 9, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume Rivera is sore from yesterday’s idiotic collision.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I don’t care what their career numbers against Lee might be, Miles 5th ahead of Blake 6th is idiotic.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Swapping #5 and #6 hitter
Miles v Blake probably at best saves adds X% to your win probability? X = ?
X = I KNOW LINEUPS DON’T REALLY MATTER BUT JUST GODDAM DO IT ANYWAY
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They say that it just doesn’t matter
The order of this-or-that batter,
Still I have no smiles.
Putting Blake behind Miles?
You gotta be mad as a hatter.
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by Humma Kavula on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Doesn't matter
Managers think this shit is important. What does this say about Donnie Two Times and bench coach Trey Hillman?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That
alternating lefty/righty as much as possible has as much or more of a tangible effect on the teams chances of winning as switching your 5th and 6th hitter. That’s my guess.
Kemp, Miles, Blake, Barajas, in that order, are all gonna hit righty vs. Cliff Lee.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
it is more important when you get to the bullpen. Not saying it is important, just that it is probably just as important as the 5/6 switch. The difference is probably just lost in the noise.
I’m gonna stand by my limerick.
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Phillies lineup
Rollins SS
Victorino CF
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Pence RF
Ibanez LF
Ruiz C
Martinez 3B
Lee P
Apologies - but forgot the Texas A&M fan on here's name
but anyways – the SEC rumors seem pretty strong right now – any buzz?
I wonder if A&M and OU are just now figuring out what they signed up for
with this Longhorn Network stuff. The rest of the Big 12 didn’t / doesn’t really have a choice.
Sounds like Rubby will head back to the DR after surgery - just a guess
dodgerthoughts
Rubby De La Rosa’s Tommy John surgery was performed today by Dr. James Andrews in Florida.
Does he have a problem with S's?
"Fast just got Faster"
Speaking of Watts
JJ Watts is a beast
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Found this looking for my meercat photo on flickr
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Allen Webster did his best Tim Redding impersonation today.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 9, 2011 4:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
he gave up 9 Hits
mostly all were GB singles… except for 1 Hr and 1 double
Looking forward to the Pineda / Ogando matchup tonight.
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What about the Lee/Lilly one? :P
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Ogando
I wonder if he will get big time money since he will be 33 when he is eligible for Free Agency.
Deep dish supreme
and a 312 at the original Gino’s East :)
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by Pure Azure on Aug 9, 2011 4:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Two kids, wolfing down dinner, listening to a baby cry for 40 minutes, struggling to get the 3.5-year-old to go to bed, then collapsing into bed myself
Awwwww yeah…. pimp.
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