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Dazzling Diamondback Preview

Get used to seeing this (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Hottest two teams in the NL collide starting this Monday but sadly the goals of the season are quite different. The Dodgers are tying to catch the Giants and .500 baseball,  while the Diamondbacks are simply honing their fangs as they await the conclusion of the season to find out which NL team will feel the venom of their bite.

The last time we saw the Diamondbacks was on Aug 7th, and while the Diamondbacks were the surprise of the division they were still in second place with a 62 - 52 record. Since that time the dazzling Diamondbacks have gone 23 - 10 to take a commanding lead in the NL West, leaving the Dodgers and Giants to fight for second place.

They did it with some bold moves

  • Bringing up AA 1st baseman Paul Goldschmidt,  releasing or trading all other 1st base options
  • Signed Lyle Overbay off the waiver wire to complement the right handed swinging Goldschmidt
  • Traded incumbent 2nd baseman Kelly Johnson for Toronto's keystone combo of McDonald and Hill
  • Added Jason Marquis to the rotation
  • Traded power hitting 1st base prospect Brandon Allen to the A's for relief specialist Brad Zeigler

Not every move has worked out as Jason Marquis can attest but the production of Hill, Overbay, and Goldschmidt can't be denied.  Zeigler has helped shore up the bullpen with 17 innings of work since the deal. The dynamic duo of Hudson and Kennedy continue to flourish while Saunders and Collmenter continue to do steady work, supported by a live offense.

1st Base - Goldschmidt is not wowing but he is getting the job done with a .807 OPS since he arrived. His seven home runs in 113 at bats attest to the power. Lyle Overbay was picked up off the scrapheap and has had a hand in a few key come from behind victories. He's only getting spot starts but in limited action (33 at bats) he's posted a .877 OPS. 

2nd Base - Two years ago Aaron Hill hit 36 home runs and made the AL All - Star while posting a .829 OPS. He followed that up in 2010 with 26 home runs but that was all he did as his average crashed to .205. In 2011 he was even worse as he couldn't even hit home runs. You may be hard pressed to find a hitter who fell faster then Aaron Hill from 2009 to August 2011. Yet on Aug 23rd the Diamondbacks were in a fix with Stephen Drew being lost for the year so they rolled the dice and traded their starting 2nd baseman for the BlueJays 2nd baseman and SS.  Since showing up as a Diamondback Aaron Hill is not only hitting again, but he's hitting better then he ever has with a TSL of .333 / .380 / .500. 

SS - John McDonald is a defensive specialist  and in this case the defensive metrics back up the subjective view that McDonald is one of the smoothest fielding shortstops in the game. He can't hit so he doesn't play every day. Shockingly the hitting shortstop is Willie Bloomquist, and yes that is a line I never expected to type. In Sept Bloomquist has a .885 OPS in limited at bats.

3rd - Everyone has been waiting for the bloom to fall off of Ryan Roberts but the colorful one continues to hold his own. Geoff Blum came off the DL too,  taking some pressure off Roberts by facing the tough righthanders, so at the moment the Diamondbacks have a productive duo handling 3rd base.

C - Miguel Montero is just below Brian McCann in the NL pecking order. Using 250 at bats however it is neither McCann or Montero who is the best offensive catcher in the NL this year. Anyone care to guess who that might be?

RF - Justin Upton is the Diamondback candidate for MVP if you take Fangraphs WAR seriously,  his WAR of 7.0 leads all NL RF by 2.7 points. That is problematic because it ranks him the best defensive RF in the NL, with Andre in 2nd place and we all know that is hoo haa.  Yet offensively he can make his case. 30 home runs, 21 stolen bases,  .931 OPS, 150 OPS+, all while leading his team to a route of the NL West.  Justin Upton has arrived.

CF - Chris Young has seen his offense drop from his high point on July 1st, but he still provides excellent defense giving the Diamondbacks the best defensive outfield in baseball. 

LF - Geraldo Parra doesn't get much attention but Fangraphs feels he's the best defensive outfielder in baseball. In fact if you check out this table you will notice that the top three defensive outfielders in the NL are Parra, Young, and Upton.

Which leads me to wonder if something is fishy in Arizona because subjectively I've never been impressed with the defensive work of Upton or Chris Young.  Oh yeah, small sample size. Whatever

Bench - Since they mix and match at 3rd, SS, and LF, only Collin Cowgill and Blanco are really bench players.

Starting Pitching:

Game One - Joe Saunders will take on Ted Lilly, Dodgers should be very familiar with Joe as this will be his fifth start against them this year. Below is how the current team has done, Andre has the most at bats but I've removed him.

                                                              
                PA  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO   BA  OBP   SLG   OPS
Matt Kemp       12  4  1  0  1   3  2  0 .400 .500  .800 1.300
Aaron Miles     11  3  0  0  0   1  0  0 .273 .273  .273  .545
Jamey Carroll   10  3  0  0  0   0  1  1 .333 .400  .333  .733
Juan Rivera      9  4  1  0  1   1  0  1 .444 .444  .889 1.333
Tony Gwynn       6  0  0  0  0   0  0  3 .000 .000  .000  .000
James Loney      6  0  0  0  0   0  1  1 .000 .167  .000  .167
Rod Barajas      5  3  0  0  1   2  0  1 .600 .600 1.200 1.800
Dee Gordon       5  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 .200 .200  .200  .400
Jerry Sands      3  0  0  0  0   0  1  0 .000 .333  .000  .333
Russ Mitchell    1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0 .000 .000  .000  .000
Trent Oeltjen    1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0 .000 .000  .000  .000
Eugenio Velez    1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0 .000 .000  .000  .000
Total           92 24  2  0  3   8  5 12 .282 .322  .412  .734

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/12/2011.

Game Two - Potential 20 game winner and very dark house Cy Young candidate Ian Kennedy will take on the struggling Chad Billingsley.  Don't think for a moment that Ian is all wins, he has been one of the top ten pitchers in the NL all year earning a WAR of 4.2, putting him right with Tim Lincecum.

Game Three - Daniel Hudson takes on the 2011 Cy Young award winner. Hudson and Kennedy have been near the top of the NL pitching leaderboard from the get go giving the Diamondbacks solid outings time after time.

Bullpen:

The last time we visited David Hernandez was saving games for the injured Putz, but with Putz back Hernandez has slotted back into a setup role. Helping out Hernandez was the recently acquired Brad Zeigler, Laker refugee Bryan Shaw, professional hitter Micah Owings, and Ryan Cook, along with a plethora of others.

Not only are the Diamondbacks doing damage to the NL West but they have two of the best young pitching prospects still in AA in Tevor Bauer and Jarrod Parker. Not to mention we are going to miss the recently promoted Wade Miley and the solid Josh Collmenter. While the Braves hold the monopoly on great young arms in the East, the Diamondbacks might have two of the higher ceiling prospects themselves along with two very serviceable arms. No one may have seen the Diamondbacks coming this fast in 2011 but it is doubtful they will be going away anytime soon. I can easily count Kennedy, Hudson, Saunders, Collmenter, Miley, Bauer, and Parker for 2012.  My oh My the NL West is loaded with young pitching.

The Dodgers can slow down the slithering Diamondbacks by taking two of three starting with tonights game. Lilly has done good work against the Diamondbacks, and I expect the right leaning Dodger lineup to put the hurt on Saunders. Kershaw will win his 19th on Wednesday. I expect nothing from Chad these days.

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Even in his struggles, I always liked Aaron Hill

It’s early, but seems like he just needed a change of scenery

The more you drink, the less gruesome I look.
Writing and inciting at Barca Blaugranes
Troll @shadowking011

by Paul Udani on Sep 12, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Laker refugee Bryan Shaw

Haha

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep

Highest scoring team in the NL at home, lowest scoring on the road.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that the case every year?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

15th on the road last year (Pirates were worse), middle of the pack (10th) on the road in 2009.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blame Ianetta

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

CarGo had crazy home/road splits last year too, IIRC.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable .410 point spread

between home and road

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Cargo this year is crazy. Tulo is just good – we may have to start projecting out what he could do numbers wise if he stays healthy.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 1981 Albuquerque Dukes.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brewers?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The good news is the Diamondbacks will have to sweep to eliminate the Dodgers in person.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Which may not actually be good news.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rockies are gone with a D-back win tonight, a Dodger sweep would let the Rockies eliminate themselves on the road

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Works better if you picture Eric looking like this when he says that

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 12, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need permission from iiidown.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

True or False

If Donny was a member we couldn’t call him a fool’s tool?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

We still could. He’s grandfathered in.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ivdown

is like the puppy who no matter what happens will wag his tail and keep wanting to play.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take this as a compliment :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's at work so you guys are left hanging till tonight :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you decide to take everything that seriously

Then you should chill out. Panties, out of a bunch.

I believe fool, would be appropriate for me in this case.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

when one’s panties ARE in a bunch, I can assure you, it is quite uncomfortable.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

seriously! There’s a reason thongs exit, cause it’s going there anyway

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josiefact?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

girl fact

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not the only reason

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

/tabled

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

"get used to seeing this"

was that a K or a HR?

but yeah, I’m expecting this to be a frustrating series. I hope to be surprised.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Home run

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not even close anymore

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe Nick Hundley?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Almost 1/2 the ab’s of McCann but OPS+ of 131 versus 130.

Heck of a good season from someone I doubt most our members could not name as the starting catcher for the Padres

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now Upton would be my number 2, he's been awesome
RF – Justin Upton is the Diamondback candidate for MVP if you take Fangraphs WAR seriously, his WAR of 7.0 leads all NL RF by 2.7 points. That is problematic because it ranks him the best defensive RF in the NL, with Andre in 2nd place and we all know that is hoo haa. Yet offensively he can make his case. 30 home runs, 21 stolen bases, .931 OPS, 150 OPS+, all while leading his team to a route of the NL West. Justin Upton has arrived.

It would be:

1. Kemp
2. Upton
3. Braun
4. Votto (he’s really upped his power in the 2nd half)
5. Tulo

The race is so close though, I’ve never seen so many players right in the thick of the MVP race.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Because he's my favorite doesn't mean he's the best this year

Overall I think he is undoubtedly the best player in baseball, but he’s got maybe 10 guys ahead of him in the MVP race. I still think he’s got a shot at another top 10 finish, but he’ll need to turn it on to end the year.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

overall as in

Taking the last few years into consideration rather than just 2011.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s toast

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

.297/.367/.545

I love that this line is the worst of Pujols’ career by a pretty wide margin.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rod Barajas has the same OPS+ as Joe Mauer in roughly the same number of at bats.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Boy, did the Dodgers get lucky with that bargain player, Rod Barajas.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

for $20mil less!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

about $9M less this year.

However next year, Joe start’s his $23M a year for 8 years contract. That will work out well.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mauer is making $23 million this season

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

and making more commercial money then anyone based on the ad’s I’ve seen.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not too many MLB players in national ads.

You have Mauer for Head & Shoulders and Playstation, Sabathia (and possibly some other current players? I forget) for Pepsi, and Ryan Howard for Subway off the top of my head.

I’m probably missing a few.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Longoria

is in those Pepsi ads

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good call. and for New Era!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

and New Era

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

and he did a bunch of spots as the 2k cover athlete

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a shirt that says “Go Longo” on it. I enjoyed it.

Also, Verlander was in those spots and it was AWESOME

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Verlander killed

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid #2 for everything.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are there any Derek Jeter ads that are still running? Last one I can remember is for Gatorade.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t he in the Keith Hernandez Walt Frazier ad’s:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

A few Gatorade ads still running. I’m pretty sure I saw some for his own cologne. Gillette. Probably others I’m forgetting.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

A-Rod commerical

Where he does that lame fake homerun trot.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good call

Was that for the All-Star Game, or something else?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Direct TV me thinks…

That is a shitty commercial

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mauer

has some interesting PA/HR ratios throughout his career. Right now 12 HR in last 900 PA or so.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost Andre like

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of these two players is going to get a huge contract this offseason while the other will probably be traded for peanuts.
Catchers:
.233 / .366 / .402 OPS+ = 97
.240 / .326 / .417 OPS+ = 96

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

one of those is Ianetta right?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

top one, if either.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Russell Martin?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm amazed at how he's turned his season around since around early July or so

I wonder what kind of pay day he’s looking at.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

27/3

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you think Martin gets a huge contract this offseason?

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 12, 2011 12:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because he’ll be the starting catcher for the World Series bound Yankee’s and probably end up the MVP for the final spit on our season.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

and by spit I mean loogie

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Martin didn’t choose to be non-tendered by the Dodgers

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tripon being Tripon.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phacts won’t matter here, he also wasn’t as good as the guy we replaced him with at a good discount, but you can bet someone will point out that the Dodgers made a huge mistake in not tendering him just about every single game the World Series is played.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

"There's a nice weak single barely making it into the outfield

Can you believe the Dodgers didn’t tender this guy a contract? This makes me almost as mad as anything that Manny Ramirez does." – McCarver

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Clearly the Dodgers financial woes played a contributing role in that decision”- Buck in monotonous condecending tone.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“I also heard that Jamie McCourt tried to peg Martin after every Sunday day game.” – McCarver, in a tone clearly wishing that it was done to him.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering that he’s still a year away from Free Agency, I am going to guess that the Yankees will just tender him for one more year.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe but they do have two kids ready to catch.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

perhaps they spin Martin?

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

to the Dodgers, for Tim Federowicz.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

missed opportunity. Should have said to the Dodgers for Zach Lee.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jazz Hands

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a weird rule. I would think that once you get non-tendered, you are out of the club control game.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i believe it’s simply a player having to get 6 years of service time before he earns the right to be a free agent.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, I just think that once you’re non-tendered you should be a free agent thereafter.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would seem to punish the team who took a chance on you relative to other silly rules that involve player ownership.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Stanton should be historically bad in two years, get non-tendered, be a beast on a NRI deal for the Dodgers in 2014, then hit free agency a year earlier than he would have with the marlins.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same thing happened to Kelly Johnson

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carl Crawford

started his career in 2002 with no walks in his first 88 at bats.

He got his 3rd walk in his 167th at bat.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Patience!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

What your comment tells me is that in six years, the Yankees will sign Dee Gordon to a eight-year, $160-million contract.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

after

he’s one a few rings and a World Series MVP award for the Dodgers :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Crawford did those things?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

who's Crawford?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broderick Crawford, Oscar winner in 1949 for his role in All the King’s Men.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

he clearly had the hardware

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only know him from the Highway Patrol

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Theo’s soldiers can put Crawford back together again.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

just hopefully not with the horses

those hooves can be dangerous

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jose Reyes

started his career in 2003 with no walks in his first 47 at bats.

He got his 3rd walk in his 127th at bat.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

For some reason, the two players Gordon kept on getting compared too were Jimmy Rollins and Jose Reyes.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mr Reyes

also started 2005 with no walks in his first 114 at bats.

Yet by 2006 he was walking over 50 times a year, topping out at 77 in 2007

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

SS, fast

hm. Obviously they also have about a billionty times more power, but I get why people went there.

by nolander on Sep 12, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes has 99 career triples, 79 career home runs, something you’d expect from a line drive slashing speedster.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes - 2nd most triples by age 29 since integration

Rk Player 3B From To Age PA R H 2B HR BB
1 xxxxxxxxx 110 xxxx-xxxx 20-29 5864 822 1593 239 115 314
2 Jose Reyes 99 2003 2011 20-28 4779 724 1280 220 79 325
3 George Brett 98 1973 1982 20-29 5338 762 1532 303 125 417
4 Vada Pinson 96 1958 1968 19-29 6850 978 1881 342 186 409
5 Willie Mays 91 1951 1960 20-29 5298 884 1481 233 279 566
6 Jimmy Rollins 90 2000 2008 21-29 5787 845 1461 307 125 426
7 Willie Wilson 90 1976 1985 20-29 4578 698 1287 156 21 218
8 Garry Templeton 84 1976 1985 20-29 5336 661 1452 219 42 221
9 Roberto Clemente 82 1955 1964 20-29 5700 741 1633 254 104 291
10 Johnny Callison 81 1958 1968 19-29 5567 730 1344 243 173 483
11 Hank Aaron 77 1954 1963 20-29 6582 1077 1898 321 342 541
12 Tim Raines 76 1979 1989 19-29 5621 869 1467 262 87 705
13 Juan Samuel 75 1983 1990 22-29 4708 622 1116 213 116 283
14 Robin Yount 75 1974 1985 18-29 7148 961 1856 349 144 473
15 Lou Brock 75 1961 1968 22-29 4583 670 1211 210 90 253

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/12/2011.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone care to guess who Number one is?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, Rickey was not a triples guy, to lazy for that shit

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeesh, didn’t look that far over.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

it did not format the first line, he does not have 314 home runs, only 115

but no, not Wills he was not even in the major leagues by the age of 27

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are not allowed to play my games.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That gave me a good laugh as well

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is still active.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, how old do you think he was when he started playing the Mariners?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo, we always try to have call backs at TBLA

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willie?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chase Utley

had only three walks after 86 at bats in his 2003 debut

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

From the last UZR update on fangraphs, Kemp went from -5.8 to -4.1

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5631&position=OF

Before that update Kemp was in the -7s too. It’s nice to see his defense by the numbers is improving.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

If there was a baseball class I totally would!!!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

UZR means nothing week to week.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s improving from the start of the season: My point.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

not really. All it means that the system doesn’t think he is as bad relative to his peers as he was last week. It may change again next week.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

So either Kemp got better, or the rest of the MLB got worse. Clearly the latter is more likely.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

So as I looked up Shoeless Joe Jackson's stats this morning on Fangraphs

I noticed that they have fielding values for him. This is for a career from 1908 to 1920. How is this possible?

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

They watched Eight Men Out.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ray Liotta. I remember a story about how he refused to hire an agent after Goodfellas, thinking he could find his own work. Years later, Operation Dumbo Drop. ’Nuff said.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moral of the story

Pay the 10%

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

or as a few real estate brokers have said, 100% of zero is still zero.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

some people just don’t like whores

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

heart breakers, ftw!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somewhere in hell’s multiplex Corrina Corrina is playing in an endless loop (never seen it—box just looked stupid).

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 words

Jennifer Love Hewitt

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Along with Turbulence

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

nitpick: in Eight Men Out, Shoeless Joe was played by D. B. Sweeney

who was at least as good in that role as Liotta imho…

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 12, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

and threw with the correct hand

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

eight Men Out

has become my favorite baseball movie. It had to grow on me (even though I’m a huge Sayles fan) though. I was disappoint when I saw it the first time.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to catch up on my Sayles movies, for some reason I stopped watching them after Lone Star even though I loved Lone Star.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matewon is my favorite

but It’s not exactly a feel-good movie

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Roan Inish is the best “children’s” movie ever made.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is a must DVD that my wife shows her 4th grade class every year.

Joe Morton is the only reason I’ve watched Eureka all because of Brother.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of his recent films have gotten a bit slower and preachier

(though I’ve still liked some of them). But generally you can’t go wrong with Sayles. Passion Fish is another good one.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 12, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read up on Total Zone. Basically there’s things in the score book already like F7, F9, etc so lets say 60% of fly outs went to a corner, 40% went to the centerfielder. If there’s a double and all they know is it’s a fly ball they assign 30% of a double to the each of the corners and 40% to center.

This works better than you think it would.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If people are going to take stock in WAR

which UZR figures into, then why all the doubt in UZR? From what I hear it’s a 3 year process, but still, why go into a 1 year product like WAR then? Cake and eating it too?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

What you’re basically saying is that because you won two coin flips in a row it’s impossible for something to come up tails.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that what he’s saying? I thought it was why are people using WAR as a metric when it depends to heavily on a metric that is subject to large swings of volatile action within a given year.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

People use batting average all the time too. I guess a more accurate analogy is a guy hit .250 one week, then .350 the next so he must have gotten much better.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The updates aren't weekly

They actually seem like they happen once every 2-4 weeks, FWIW. As we all know thanks for our 1B and catchers, quite a bit can change in that span ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but keep in mind an accurate sample size for UZR is about three times larger than a sample size for a good offensive statistic.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm really not taking UZR as gospel

Especially a couple of 3 week periods, i’m just glad to see Kemp getting closer to 0 than -10.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be this, but i'm not sure based on what people think of me

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

so F WAR

use fWAR?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

For future reference

99% of the time I’m basing my statistics off of fangraphs. Rarely do I go to baseball-reference.com for anything besides game logs.

Thank you for the correction though

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

WAR is a framework and rock solid. fWAR is an implementation and has its shortcomings (UZR, FIP).

by Xeifrank on Sep 12, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where would you find WAR

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

WAR is a concept that says you can assign a number to everything, add it together and get a players value.

Right now all we have is imperfect ways of assigning those numbers.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basically what Reg said, but it was invented by Tom Tango at The Book Blog. This post might get you started with some other links, esp the Fangraphs primer.

by Xeifrank on Sep 12, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Education Education, everyone needs Education

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You didn't say what side you called to win the first two :P

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s fWAR. There is framework and there is implementation.

by Xeifrank on Sep 12, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going to tweet Matt Kemp and tell him that he’s not actually really good, it’s just the system thinks that he is better relative to his peers.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

for this week, anyway

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone, please stop misusing statistics, then claiming they are stupid. TIA.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

They started it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t tell me what to do!

i love RBI’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m a Hold guy myself.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fielding errors

They tell you everything you need to know

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer the DNP

Whoever has the most wins MVP. Its the only fair way to do it.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 12, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really use statistics, but I find something really…wrong about reducing baseball (hell, anything really) to simple math. It just makes me feel weird. But if that’s what makes your insides feel tingly, then get on with your bad self.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is a scrimmage that most of us battle who love the beauty of the game and the beauty of the numbers. I tend to think those who have no idea what VORP is can enjoy a baseball game more then those of us who do. In some cases ignorance really is bliss.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. It’s not my thing, and while I do think that they can provide really neat ways of analyzing the game, I’m not watching baseball to see a generator play out. Or an average return to the mean or whatever. I don’t think anyone does, nor am I accusing people of that – but there’s something…I dunno, more to baseball.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

or any sport.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

My dad said he thought the team was much better than it actually was before posting on TBLA this year

Ignorance truly is bliss.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

TBLA

reducing fans hopes for most of this century

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we’re the optimistic blog!

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

A motto I can get on board with!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re All Hummas Now

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Humma=Agent Smith from the Martrix?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The older I get, the more I think Agent Smith in the Matrix is absolutely right and that Neo is a whiny baby who needs to shut the fuck up.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you hear that Mr. Humma?

That is the sound of inevitability.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get back in line

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’re all parasites.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not reducing it to simple math though, it’s trying to figure out who is actually a good defender by a metric other than “looks real good out there” since we’ve seen that put out way worse results than UZR.

Now when you abuse the numbers to say Kemp got one better the last two weeks, then yeah, you’re reducing it to simple math.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Abuse, lol

It was not a comment not meant to boil your blood (though it seems to have accomplished that anyway), just to show that there has been improvement. If it regresses back to where it was a month and a half ago, cool, that’s where it’s at then. At this point, it moved in a direction steadily twice in a month and a half, I liked it.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m glad they didn’t wing it when they put a man on the moon.

by Xeifrank on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please oh stat god, how shall I use these mythical statistics

:)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

kinbote racks up the recs

that’s why I picked him in my TBLA fantasty draft

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

just makes him

a steal for me!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's Raffy

When he’s on he’s on!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign me for three more years, Eric!

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’ve got this fast member whose been waiting for his chance.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to hear about your “fast member.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'd trade him for Marty

but he usually goes within the first few picks.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The difference between Marty and kinbote is 1 Josie Becker

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I saw TimeCop last night, I think it was made in 94 but I could have sworn our Josie was in it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

trying to determine

if british slang should be +/- points

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

132.1 Josie’s = 1 Barry Bonds

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like 800 Josie’s = 0 G.Scott

by Xeifrank on Sep 12, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think my brain is going to explode

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

here, I have a rubber ball

perhaps you’d like to bounce it. :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

or you can solve the reason my brain is going to explode

Dicit feminas quas viderimus in illo loco esse matres eorum pueorum qui Romam ex Asia venerunt ut sibi laetas vitas petant.

WHY VIDERIMUS?!

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why have you jumbled these random letters into formations like this at me

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

she's speaking in tongues

get the holy water

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just going to close my eyes and write a translation and hope it works.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something woman, in loco parentesis, maybe a mattress in there, and then it’s just about the Romans and Turks : p

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

I think it’s something close to “She said those women we see in that place over there are the mothers of those boys who came to Rome from Asian so that they may ask for something about tears and life”

I’m still working on the last bit

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Tommy, have you watched any of the new futurma season yet? They finale was last Thursday, haha. I liked what they did with it.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Latin to Futurama in two posts…

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing to do with Latin

Just Tommy Blackjack :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

no, again unfortunately

i forget to set my DVR, and then i’m usually watching the Dodger game. I think some of the new seasons are on Netflix, so I’ll have to check them out.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

"I bent my wookie."

Oh Ralph, lolz

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

“My cat’s breath smells like cat food”

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Tastes like burning”

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

cause I’m a Queen
and such are queens
that your laughter
is sucked in their brain

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'd probably get a kick out of that

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

josie

so did becks go to morelia or what?

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I LOL’d at a tweet you had yesterday but forgot to text you.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

i wasn’t really trying to be too funny yesterday.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

just shows

how good you are

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one congratulating T.Jackson for his new job at the Arizona Republic.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh yes, he usually replies… wish he had on that one.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been privy to the travel roster, but I highly doubt it

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s 36 and has back spasms from too much plane travel

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

waah.

i want to see him travel to these hostile environments so bad. I have been waiting forever for it.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Galaxy should make it out of their group, there’ll be more of these matches in the knockout stages, and that’s where the good crowds are anyhow

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

his back would not hurt if the FA

called him to London right now for national duty.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you saying David chose MLS just so he could stand out and extend his career against inferior competition, still clinging to the hope of one more Olympic call-up?

Probably.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also for the boatload of money.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the feeling of camaraderie that Landon Donovan attested to.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he just wanted to hang out with Tom Cruise and Gordon Ramsey at Laker games.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kirk Douglas

oldest living Spartacus. Would not have bet on that 18 months ago.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I KNEW IT! LET’S GET HIM!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not surprisingly, I believe I worded this badly.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am the oldest living Spartacus!

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

R.I.P.

Andy Whitfield. I love that show.

by Dukeston1 on Sep 12, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the odds were against the Jets coming back yesterday

Per Elias Stats – the Cowboys were 241-0-1 (that is two hundred forty one wins, no losses and one tie) whenever they led by 14 points in the 4th quarter.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice of you to bring that up BH

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess Tony Romo

will not be invited to your house for BBQ.

On happier news, I hope the family is well.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have defended him so much, that I am giving up on him. If we do well, Horray, if not, oh well.

I am on the trade Tony Romo bandwagon now.

Family is great. Daughter is getting big, baby on the way is still there, wife is great.

Thanks for asking.

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you going to be shelling out more on shoes for the next one or are you going to get to name it Clayton?

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

She hates “Clayton” because she knew a guy in HS named Clayton and he didn’t shower enough.

I’m hoping for a healthy kid. Preferably a boy.

I was talking to my boss about it yesterday and he said, could be worse, you could be me….I have 6 daughters.

Oh my

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s hoping they all marry neerdowells and elope.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he just wants them to grow up!

He has an 18 yr old; 15 yr old; 13 yr old; 9 yr old; and then the Whoops!!!!! 3 yr old twins

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s whoops alright

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

My brother Kelly had three girls before having a boy, and the three girls were born 18 months apart. One year, he had all three daughters in high school at the same time.

That’s why his hair is gray. Well that, and he’s old.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thoughts of suicide and homicide running through ones head at the same time

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That poor woman.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

1) I’m a NYG fan and I hate Romo.
2) You are crazy.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you make the survivor game?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes.

I played SD….

Phew

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was a point during the late games on Sunday when it looked like ARI and SD would both lose. The survivor pool would have been down to all the people who took Houston and Marty.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know.

I thought they were gonna lose for sure. Typical SD start.

But McNabb went all McNabb and the Chargers pulled it out.

That and AP had 75 yards rushing with 8 minutes left in the 1st half and finished with 98.

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I wasted the Eagles

May be a mistake.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah…

The Chiefs, Seahawks, Browns, Bengals, and Cowboys play 16 games per year.

Just pick against them.

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

i picked the Jets yesterday

sorry Keith

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

I wonder how the Rams will be this year or if they don’t deserve to be put on this list.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Bradford is hurt

they could be in serious trouble.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah. You don’t want to play that way. If you have a “sure thing” early you play it. People who make risky calls to save the Patriots for later in the year never end up winning.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're doing a spreadsheet for this right?

I’ll be making picks based on how many people are left too I think.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. It will be posted tomorrow or Wednesday.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure it will

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming the Patriots win, it’s already written!

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone thinks I'm a fluke

Just you wait

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Lotus 123 V1A

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be hilarious

to win the pool in the first week

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

what'd he have

like three fumbles?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fumbles

That’s just Kerry being Kerry.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

197 PaYd, PaTD (6), 2 FL

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you having another girl
?

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

We aren’t finding out what the sex of the baby is this time.

Gonna see how that goes

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is a bad idea no?

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably. But that is what she wants to do.

If Momma aint happy….

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good for you, this pre planning is simply bullshit. Baby showers should be after they are born anyway.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially since you have to wash off all the gunk

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what the Dr and Nurses get paid for.

I aint washing off shit!

:)

by keithc13 on Sep 12, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be a man and bite off the cord and start your babies life.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like

Beldar Conehead?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah right...

i’m not even gonna be there this time the baby comes out. too gross. made that mistake once.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

I remember them posting that. Me and my Dad pretty much had the same reaction as Eric

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

by them

I mean NBC

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was surprised too though

I guess not too many teams lose with a 2 TD lead in the 4th Quarter.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think any Bruin team of the last 12 years could lose a 14 point in the 4th quarter.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

this has about as much relevance

as the last coin flip you made, on the next one.

by nolander on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

or more accuratly

the last 242 coin flips you made on the next one

by nolander on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who has the time for all this coin flipping?

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two-Face?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

boom

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

now we’re talkin’!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't someone going to point out

that going in if you didn’t know the probablility of a coin landing heads or tails, and based on the last 242 flips there was a 0 percent chance it would come up a certain way, that that might be relevant? No? Ok, I’ll just argue with myself then.

by nolander on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess if we want to take this further, you threw away the coin you used for the last 230 flips and are using an entirely different coin.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate math

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The old coin retired long ago and is either dead of stuck with debilitating chronic injuries.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

that coin needs to, in the words of my mother, “man up”.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no coin

Life’s an illusion

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

no coin

no spoon

where has the metal gone?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The old coin didn’t have no bye week, and now he’s dead.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was told there would be no math today.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

we don't have time

for TWO math discussions here, college boy.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

What am I, in class?

If so I should be sleeping.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

being the guy that sleeps in class (or even says he does) is only cool until you graduate and realize you haven’t learned anything that was talked about after week 2 in any of your classes, only for you to have someone write your resume, get you a job, then be exposed for everything you don’t know within a month.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, that was cool???

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

And also against you, just to keep the continuity for argument’s sake.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if the coin lands on its side?

I saw that once

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats the tie

I included it, thus 242 instead of 241

by nolander on Sep 12, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very funny Curb last night

Michael J. Fox is a damn good sport.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I am so behind on that right now; something like 6 episodes.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

nearly a lifetime of laughs

that show is on an AMAZING run

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 12, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

No baseball references last night – that was unusual for this season.

by latenite on Sep 12, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

From small things, one day big things come

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

/uncleiroh

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

For instance, I was four pounds, five ounces at birth.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I was about that, as well. Premie high five!

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Incubators FTMFW!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

my parents were telling me stories on my birthday

about how happy they were when I was born and how everyone else was giving them mad sideeye in the hospital. “Isn’t she beautiful?!?!” “…Uh….”

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a picture of me somewhere when I was a few days old where my aunt was holding me with my head in her hand, and my feet didn’t make it down to the inside of her elbow.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

They called me Thumbalina. Ha.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every baby ever born

looks like Winston Churchill

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

McGriff was little too.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is OPS+ position adjusted?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

xyOPS + is gender adjusted

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I was just reading the Snake Pit preview and they talked about Loney at 101 OPS+ and now an average hitter, and I was thinking 1B average is around 115 or so.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoOPS+ is preferred by my generation.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

baseball hazing

where is my picture of Kershaw in a bo peep outfit?!

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.

by Maddz on Sep 12, 2011 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

That clubhouse seems awesome. Carlos Pena wasn’t lying.

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha
You sort of just sit in one corner of the clubhouse, obsessively updating and footnoting your own Wikipedia entry,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fuld

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 12, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

weird
He also began seeking out stats that were not already kept. “There’s so many statistics out there that I thought ’There’s no stats on foul balls,’ so I picked a few players and started tracking them, thinking I’d find something,” Fuld said.13 But his bag that contained the notebook with all his stats was stolen.13

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

i am about to go delete things in there. this is the worst wiki page ever.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

won't let me

says i want to delete too much stuff.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Through Age 28

Player 3B From To Age PA 2B HR BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS
Carl Crawford 105 2002 2010 20-28 5383 215 104 293 768 409 90 .296 .337 .444 .781
Jose Reyes 99 2003 2011 20-28 4779 220 79 325 505 366 92 .291 .339 .440 .779
Vada Pinson 90 1958 1967 19-28 6308 313 181 377 772 204 73 .299 .343 .477 .820
George Brett 89 1973 1981 20-28 4709 271 104 346 268 125 67 .318 .367 .496 .863
Garry Templeton 82 1976 1984 20-28 4740 189 36 180 599 189 104 .288 .315 .390 .705
Jimmy Rollins 81 2000 2007 21-28 5162 269 114 368 640 248 58 .277 .331 .441 .772
Willie Mays 79 1951 1959 20-28 4629 204 250 505 435 179 53 .317 .391 .590 .981
Johnny Callison 77 1958 1967 19-28 5119 225 159 441 745 55 43 .272 .339 .459 .798
Roberto Clemente 75 1955 1963 20-28 5017 214 92 240 523 44 32 .303 .337 .439 .776

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/12/2011.

That Willie Mays was pretty good

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

At age 26 Johnny Callison looked like he was going to be a star for a while

Maybe hard pressed to find a player who had a better start then Vada Pinson to his career by age 26 and then become nothing but a footnote. Might have to look at Cesear Cedeno.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell, dozens of pitchers less then 26 have turned from gold to dust.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vada Pinson

is one of my earlier baseball memories. My father pointed him out at the first Dodger game I went to. He said “He’s really good”

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the better age 20 seasons for a non HOF

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of these SB/CS ratios are pretty bad (George Brett, Templeton). Thank god Jonah Hill discovered running is for wussies.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Callison / Clement should never have been allowed to steal.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Clemente was fast. What gives?

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shits and Giggles - Most Triples from age 29 to infinity

Player 3B From To Age PA H 2B HR RBI BB SB CS BA OBP SLG
xxxxx xxxxxx 92 1986 1997 29-40 7144 1791 199 41 431 882 390 183 .295 .385 .378
Roberto Clemente 91 1964 1972 29-37 5195 1578 226 148 735 381 39 14 .332 .381 .511
Enos Slaughter 86 1947 1959 31-43 5564 1420 233 88 783 682 38 15 .295 .385 .435
Pete Rose 83 1970 1986 29-45 11084 2929 528 85 881 1169 148 89 .300 .378 .398
Mickey Vernon 83 1947 1960 29-42 6964 1739 334 138 947 713 64 62 .283 .360 .432
Steve Finley 82 1994 2007 29-42 7779 1883 356 278 952 669 184 73 .270 .335 .465
Bill Bruton 81 1955 1964 29-38 5381 1337 203 89 474 398 147 65 .274 .330 .404
Lou Brock 80 1968 1979 29-40 7364 1996 322 65 579 554 666 207 .296 .350 .396
Lance Johnson 79 1993 2000 29-36 3584 1002 114 30 310 232 196 52 .302 .347 .411
Kenny Lofton 78 1996 2007 29-40 6795 1755 285 105 587 699 370 106 .294 .368 .421
Willie Wilson 78 1985 1994 29-38 4381 1088 150 24 315 236 275 64 .268 .312 .361
Willie Davis 78 1969 1979 29-39 4931 1353 204 92 586 209 182 55 .293 .322 .430
Paul Molitor 75 1986 1998 29-41 8039 2239 429 164 972 770 293 69 .314 .379 .464

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/12/2011.

I’ve never heard of Bill Bruton

Any guesses on who xxxx xxxxx is?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Four ex Dodger center fielders on that list. That is kind of amazing.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He stole 390 bases?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

After he was 29

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

The answer is in the hint

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He hit 41 homers after age 29? wow

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe Bill Bruton

played CF for the Milwaukee Braves

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should have come up in my Spahn, Burdette bio’s. Guess I just blocked him out.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever he was on third

the crowd would chant “Won’t you come home Bill Bruton”.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello

Trying to follow the US Open Final on the computer sucks. It’s a crime that it wasn’t on Sunday.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Matt Moore

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still pissed that I missed out on Fedex yesterday. Nobody pimps him more than me.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The K was Robinsonish.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was he fooled or just couldn’t catch up?

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stopped watching when he pulled Kuo.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

This could mean so many things.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only three players since integration have stolen more then 250 bases and walked less then 250 times

Is Dee Gordon going to be the fourth?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

If he does, that would mean some team gave him playing time. I don’t see any way he walks more than steals bases.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

When is our rookie hazing? Or does DX2 too serious about winning games?

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd love to see Dee Gordon as .... well, anything really

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Next road trip?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Btw, thank you planning commitee for bowling in Tarzana

since I live in Tarzana, I will most likely come :-)

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

But seriously, who names a city after their favorite jungle hero?

by Xeifrank on Sep 12, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's cause of that guy, Burroughs.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when you own the whole area, names happen.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

better than growing up in calabasas

spanish for pumpkin

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hence the infamous Calabasas Pumpkin Festival

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weird I’m listening to Jungleland right now

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

In 1915 or 1919, Edgar Rice Burroughs, author of the Tarzan stories, purchased Otis’s land and built a large home on it, which he called the Tarzana Ranch. Burroughs subdivided and sold the land for residential development, and the neighboring small farms composing Tarzana were converted to residential areas. In 1927 or 1928, local residents renamed the town Tarzana in honor of Burroughs and his famous storybook character. Burroughs also planted a large forest of various trees on his property located south of Ventura Blvd., and just East of Reseda Blvd. A development has since been built in the forest’s prior location.. Thus Tarzana lost a large hunk of its history to development, a common theme in the Los Angeles area.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Otis

is Harrison Gray Otis, who owned the LA Times at the time.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can never get a single comment on ESPN Tennis chats. Maybe because I used the handle “Kershaw = 2011 Cy Young”

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Just asked them to pick a winner between 1995 Pete and 2011 Djokovic. Doubt it gets answered.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seriously had no idea they used different strings back then (if that’s what you’re implying).

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luxilon came out around 2000 or so

It’s why today’s players can crush the ball and it still goes in, and why approaching the net is a low-percentage play now, but in the early 90s it was a high-percentage play.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 12, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Agassi used a racquet with Luxilon for the first time

He said they either have to make the stuff illegal, or make everybody play with it.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 12, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

RaysJoeMaddon
Like to use Matt Moore kinda like we did with Price in 08. Let’s see if history can repeat itself. The games will dictate how we use him.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

By the way, never apply to a bunch of jobs online and then read about the economy. Depressing.

/ bitching.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

It's amazing to me that the college grad unemployment rate is only 4.3%

it feels like so much more…

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

or maybe I just suck?

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you talked to Brandon? If they hired him, they must be hiring anyone:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

new/fresh knowledge, working for cheaper than an experienced person, and applying for all the entry level jobs the experieced person either won’t/can’t take or are too overqualified for will do that for you. That being said, are you either a recently graduated teaching or law student?

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, to be considered in the unemployment rate, you have to be actively looking for work and unable to gain employment. Many people who just graduated aren’t actually looking for work or are going back for more schooling, so they don’t count at all.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

good call

sheltering yourself in academia to wait out the storm seems to be the norm these days

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

i've been doing that, yet have been unemployed for 4.5 months now

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

unemployment rate is such a heavily manipulated and falsified statistic that it is almost meaningless.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m glad I met you, or I’d have assumed you were one of the old curmudgeonly crowd

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks?

i didn’t think that was very curmudgeonly…if anything, i was trying to reassure her by letting her know that she is far from alone.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's true... but these days the unemployment mask how BAD it actually is...

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s usually the case. the rules for a person to qualify as “unemployed” are much more stringent than a colloquial definition of what we would think of as an unemployed person.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had the 3rd best draft of 2006

BA

3. Dodgers
Unsigned Alex White (14), Paul Goldschmidt (49) could have joined Clayton Kershaw (1).

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

i imagine we’d have to give them both a million dollars. can you imagine us giving a 7 fgure bonus to a 49th round pick?

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

what kind of bonus did Laroche get?

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats a lot too for his round. i sad now.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

he said he wouldn’t sign for less than a million dollars, so Logan White pulled a penny out of his pocket and said “Welcome to the Dodgers”. White tells it as the first and only time he’s paid a player’s signing bonus out of his own pocket.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

39th round for Andy LaRoche.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a hypothetical world we could be much better!

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goldschmidt, yeah, but don’t we have a bunch of guys who throw hard?

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I thought the Indians were fools to give him up for Ubaldo.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

That must have been Pomeranz.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah if everything goes right he might be the next Ubaldo Jimenez.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I recall the ground ball rate of Alex White is what might bring him success. No matter how many arms you have you can always find room or use them for stuff. Last I looked we need stuff, having extra talent in your system is never a bad thing.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Logan probably drafted Goldschmidt to be a pitcher.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying this is wrong

But the 2006 draft was good only because of Kershaw.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awful draft really after number 7. Only Griff looks like someone who might sniff a major league career. Morris maybe.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t think Preston will get a cup of coffee because of his “bloodlines”?

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

especially considering the Stanton choke job in 2007

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stanton is my favorite non-Dodger.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's right up there for me too

Favorite player under 25 not named Kershaw.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like only Withrow has even a chance of contributing from 2007.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would have owned, wrong D’Arnuad though.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone else would have noticed either. :)

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ned is The Schmoozer™ after all

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bug testing Minor League Central got me very familiar with the D’Arnauds.

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by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

We never should have let good old Maynard DeWitt slip away.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW
dylanohernandez
Josh Rawitch, head of #Dodgers PR, is leaving to the Arizona Diamondbacks.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

/scowl

well, good for him, probably more fun then working for mccourt.

by nolander on Sep 12, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not surprising, his old boss is there isn’t he? and he’s got to be tired of the BS he must have to deal with.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did he work under Derrick Hall?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he did. The biggest mistake Frank made was letting Derrick walk but Derrick couldn’t work for the carpetbaggers and their bogus dreams. .

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good for him, but could spell bad news for Dodger Bloggers

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did a good job. He had a terrible gig — in fact, it might be the worst regular job in baseball.

Happy for him.

Now McCourt has to find somebody else to take that job, which should be a dream job. I predict he hires an agency.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Rawtich was still there what was Uncle Steves job?

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll go cheap and just give it to Jon Chapper

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every one is talking the dodger line while sending out as many resumes as they can.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

If season ticket renewals drop as precipitously as BH thinks they will — and I agree with BH on this — then couldn’t the entire Dodger organization see layoffs? I mean, we tend to think of that stuff as being immune from the ups and downs of the team, but when I think about it, I don’t know why it should….

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

the problem with that is that they’re already been running a bare bones staff. You can’t fire the skeleton crew.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Problem is, Josh was VP of Communications. They could very easily put his PR duties onto the VP of Marketing or the President (haha).

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this conjecture or truth? They have like a dozen VP’s whose job functions would be hard to define. Have the operations, ticketing folk, marketing folk, IT folk, accounting folk, and other business related fold been cut back over the last 18 months? Other then the Jamie purge when vengeful Frank routed the system of all Jamieites I know of no cutbacks.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other then the Jamie purge when vengeful Frank routed the system of all Jamieites I know of no cutbacks.

I don’t remember any, either. And I’d think that a headline like “Dodgers Lay Off 50” would be pretty memorable.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t need so many ticketing people when ain’t nobody buying tickets.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their kids are all on the payroll (at ~600K IIRC). Without Frank, they go away. They fired Steve Garvey as Executive Vice President In Charge Of Being Steve Garvey.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trouble was, Garvey wasn’t very good at being Steve Garvey.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This just in

Garvey is hard to type. I keep wanting to type Garvery.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

or a Dodger employee, period.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank McCourt should just have one of his lawyers do it. He’s paying them enough.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not a flat fee. The more the lawyers work the more you pay them. Giving them more to do wouldn’t save money.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

“We sincerely invite you to attend tonight’s game. Most likely, no legal action will be filed against you if you go.”

by latenite on Sep 12, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

7th Inning Guess That Statute!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just got back from a meeting. That sucks.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can always move to Arizona and cover the D-Backs! :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

callback...

ill look for you on sunday.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hypo

If offered a job by the Diamondbacks to work in a capacity that would allow you to best use your skills which could result in defeating the Dodgers, do you take such a job?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

pay is the same as he currently makes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

but one day you do the ultimate heel turn to fuck them right?

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would wear a Dodger undershirt every day, just so I’m prepared for the one time I get the call.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

How would you market the '12 Dodgers?

Give me an advertising copy line — something that is designed to sell the ’12 team and make people forget all about the drama.

My own suggestion, off the top of my head: “It’s all about the game.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

can’t use that unless the ownership s settled

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually like the Tommy commercial

Tradition and Pride.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

too political :-)

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the ladies...

“Matt or Clayton, which one you datin?”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clayton's married tho!

Why you tryna homewreck on his lady?

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

dumb hos buying tickets don’t know that.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

EO is hawt.

market that ass!

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

and hopefully Kemp stays single forever, attracting women to the stadium

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

the summer crush commercials are already offensive enough to me.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Winning isn't everything

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

With highlight clips of Kershaw and Kemp, oh yeah!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

“When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight.”

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d have Nancy Bea play every half inning, have former dodger greats in the spotlight every second I could get with current Dodgers stars, would offer just as many free or discounted tickets to every youth group within 50 miles, and would have a child throw out the first pitch every game.

Slogan: “Where Dreams Begin”

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants did “There’s Magic Inside” three years ago

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

the best marketing idea is always someone else’s

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Inside of Magic, it’s too dark to read.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really don’t understand There’s Magic Inside without needing context, and I think if you need context and can’t just see the slogan and want to join in, you’ve done a poor job. Your advertisements then have to say everything your slogan doesn’t, and you’ve wasted money making longer commercials.

/rant over

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Lakers should have used There’s Magic Inside.

And Magic’s doctors should have used his X-Rays in their advertising: “There’s Magic’s Insides.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

And they could have the lady from those old Palmolive commercials at the GWF and say “There’s Madge (Ick!) inside.”

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would actually be a really good way to get some people back

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait!

Next year is the 50 year anniversary of DS. Advertising campaign is probably already written. Something like:

“Welcome home”

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

next year is the 51st year anniversary :)

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

no wait, two years from now is the anniversary, next year is the 50th birthday : )

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was an odd numbered year, we had no choice!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

and then we got thrown out at the plate...twice, on the same play

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK YOU DONNELLY

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

“After his right knee was cleaned up in the offseason, watch two-time All-Star Andre Ethier clean up against the National League.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

“We promise to keep Frank and Jamie McCourt the fuck away from the Dodgers.”

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“Fuck the Rest!”

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come See the FrankCo Franks of Los Angeles Play at FrankField at FrankInc. Stadium.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note: Ticket does not guarantee admission.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

i lol'ed

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gangbang your way back to the Ravine

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note: does not imply connection to, y’know, blood.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

How bout One Blood... Dodger Blue-sponsered by The Game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acEYtiYKeAA

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like that song

i just have to pretend its not him when i listen to it

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

he has the LA logo on his cheek -totally works!

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

another favorite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtcKGm_7EUs

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

still looks like a butterfly to me

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

proof.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=the+game&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=603&tbm=isch&tbnid=WWBPQshSM3rsCM:&imgrefurl=http://juicytings.com/celebs-robbed/hip-hop-star-the-game-robbed-of-75000-on-christmas-eve/&docid=SNTdYcAycRclkM&w=512&h=354&ei=kI9uTr-zI8jKiALKounqBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=474&vpy=263&dur=966&hovh=187&hovw=270&tx=181&ty=78&page=1&tbnh=101&tbnw=146&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we’ve still got Vin.

by Alex41592 on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s an excuse not to come to the games though.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what I said when they rolled out this year’s slogan, “It’s Time for Dodger Baseball!”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

the whole point of “It’s Time for Dodger Baseball” was to say, “Ignore the drama, let’s play baseball”. And then the baseball was shit.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

you need a good product, behind the campaign. Don Draper taught me that.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t exactly get people motivated to buy tickets though….

Buying tickets means no Vin

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

We Sell Beer

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

…..more expensively than the hundreds of bars you pass on the drive to the stadium

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

We sell watered down beer at volumes that will make most of the beer flat by the time you taste it. Unless you buy a plastic bottle for the price of a twelve pack.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

“LA Dodgers Attitude”

All broadcasts will be TV-14 with language and sexual overtones.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like this

with Frank taking the mic each night Vince MacMahon early 2000’s style.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers owner Jack Tunney.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Guerra has only blown one save. Need we say more, Dodger fans?”

by Julio Nievas on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

“Vin Scully something something something”

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best yet.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles is back

by Alex41592 on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

“less weekday day games this year!”

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

There are two things the Dodgers could do to get fans

back:

1. New Owners
2. Have Sandy Koufax start opening day.

I don’t think there is a single player in baseball that they could sign that would make LA fans would come to see them with the current ownership.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

A local kid wouldn’t hurt. Maybe from the inner city. Crenshaw maybe?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way

I know people like the Trayvon Robinson story but it doesn’t play in a city like LA, LA is almost non-provincial when it comes to things like that.

Fernando was big, Nomo was big, Manny was big (and actually Nomar was big but he already had the baseball cred from Boston, the local stuff helped that but he had to be able to play first).

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I don't think you would ever get a reverse

Vogelsberg story in LA, heck an LA kid signing with the Giants, no problem.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh

You said “Vogelsberg.” Awesome.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

rascist!

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Darryl was big. Definitely the most hoopla I’ve seen about a free agent. Then he was hurt and rehabbing the whole time. But he was big. Shawn Green as a local kid coming back was a thing too, even though he’s from Tustin.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember more fans being upset at trading Mondesi then happy about getting Shawn Green.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was more than ready to see Ral go at that point. That we got Green for him was awesome.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I don’t think that was the general consensus at Dodger Stadium.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

“5 Tools” was just too exciting for some people to let go of

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mondesi was the rare six tool human being.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Team Actualization

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

an actual tool

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

btw,

mondesi was one of my favorite players as a kid, but looking back on his stats, he was pretty much downhill after the dodgers…

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torre could not care less when it came to JMac

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

By opening day?

Because if they were in a pennant race right now, they would have as many fans as they had in 09

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I mean even in 2008, when they were a game or two out, it was pretty quiet until Manny got there.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they weren’t any good.

by Alex41592 on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. They sucked and it was still early-ish in the season.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that is a tricky question. For the Dodgers’ run to have gotten them into the race, then the Dodgers’ play leading up to the run would, by definition, had to be not as bad as it was. If the Dodgers had been hovering at around .500 before the run that hypothetically puts them in the race, then maybe the drop-off in attendance would not be as bad as it actually was.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the drop in fans is record related. Kemp and Kershaw alone would have gotten butts in the seat. This is a much bigger problem then record.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it’s not entirely record related. I think it is somewhat record related. I think people would put up with more of the McCourt BS to watch a good team. But McCourt BS + a team that played most of the year on a 90-loss pace? Nobody will pay for that.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No the drop is many things. But, a winning team will bring people in.

by Alex41592 on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets say in an alternate reality they’re five games back tonight.

I think they get 45,000.

by Alex41592 on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish we could test that because I don’t agree, but sadly we can’t.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

if only the dbacks weren’t so hot. we would be delusional like rays fans today about our chances!!!

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We about as hot as you can be and not have a shot at a postseason. The weather is beautiful. Still wont’ be anyone at the games this week.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i assume everyone staying home to watch the raiders tonight.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodger fans do like to watch the Raiders lose.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

odd

considering until recently dodger stadium was like a raider game

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

based on attendance since LAPD showed up those really weren’t Dodger fans but parolee’s looking for a good time.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the team gets off to an insane run like 15-1. People will come back.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean to start next year?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that has to be coupled with a price reduction. I think folk are tired of $20 to sit four tiers up

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

you must have never been to road games. still cheap for $20 at DS compared to othe stadiums

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jebus

when did Angel Stadium get all pricey, and this three tier business?

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

even Oakland is $19 for a shitty seat

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

But people aren’t buying the $20 seats now. For Dodger stadium, with one of the largest stadiums in the league, $20 for reserve is probably too much.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think new owners will work.

A better team would

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been resisting it

but we have to sign Aramis Ramirez. We need a 2b or 3b with power and there are virtually none available. Sign AR, put Uribe at 2b (or bench), maybe re-up Loney. Ramirez is a $15 mil a year guy with a lifetime .499 SLG %. I don’t see where else we get the offense. Maybe go with in-house options at catcher and left field. Boom.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

disagree. i think you put uribe at third and put someone cheap or young at 2b and save your money. i really just dont see the dodgers contending next season.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have waited years for rebuilding. It will never happen.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m not even necessarily saying rebuild. i don’t really think we have the kind of players to rebuild with. i’m saying wait another year or two for our minor leaguers to get older, then spend the cash on some good free agents.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been saying this for a year+, but I’m more convinced than ever that Aramis Ramirez’s power would disappear in Dodger Stadium.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the team is going to blow they need to sign
A well known Mexican
A well known Japanese
A well known Korean

and work from there. I disagree with Craig on this. The number one draw would be Fernando starting opening night.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

barf

i can’t get into this here.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m confused. Is this a food truck post for mintxcore?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got it...

So we sign F.Rod, Vinny Castilla, Oliver Perez.
Sign Hideki Matsui.
and bring back Chan Ho Park.

I like it. I was surprised that a Canadian wasn’t on your list though. I think it would be a HUGE draw;-)

by Dukeston1 on Sep 12, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers

Gordon SS
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Rivera RF
Miles 3B
Barajas C
Sands LF
Carroll 2B
Lilly P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish B-Ref splist showed splits for pitchers pitching to specific catchers.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. I didn’t know you could grant wishes too, that’s pretty incredible!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate myself for the fact that I don’t hate this lineup. April Humma is like, “What the fuck is wrong with you? That lineup is terrible.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is Aaron Miles playing everyday.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donnie wants to play his “best” players against contending teams.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is Aaron Miles playing everyday?

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hence the quotation marks.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because he can

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cue Bill Murray

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

DeJesus banged Jaime.

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sellers is in the cellar.

by Alex41592 on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Sands look as bad as his line yesterday (didn’t watch)?

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, he hasn’t had a good at bat since he showed up. That will change this week.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bet #2? Sands is going to blow chunks this week.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should give you a chance to break even.
You define blow chunks and I’ll let you know if I’m board.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jerry Sands hits less than .270/.330/.350 from tonight’s game until end of next Sunday.

And I still haven’t lost the Trayvon bet.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

suppose anything under .680 OPS using those numbers.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, I need something to root for this week.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

 G Scott set the bar very low, around .650 OPS was my memory.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

From the time the bet was made which we will have to go back and figure out since I did not notepad it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

nor did i, unfortunately. i know his K rates are super high but he’s been out-OPSing my expectations because of the couple HRs and a bunch of two-baggers.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to root for him.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Ted Lilly’s Day vs Night career opponent’s OPS is identical at .733 at night and during the day.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

but it being identical to me just says that he finally flipped the coin enough times for it to balance out.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

any idea who the home plate umpire for tonight is?

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randy Wolf’s brother

(BS’ing)

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought I saw laz Diaz at 3B last night, and if he’s behind the plate tonight, he’s the umpire Lilly has done the best with > 2 games umpired. In the 5 games Diaz has umpired, Lilly has an oOPS of .365.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

so i assume from what i read today

Texas OK and OK State would be shoe-ins for PAC 16. Who is the 4th member?

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandeis.

Sure, they’re Division III and don’t currently have a football team. But like that will stand in their way!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nelson Figueroa honorary coin flips at Pac-16 games: coming to a stadium near you.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

SMU

Actually, I’m more curious who the best football conference in American is going to take to make 14 teams. Big decision, Georgia Tech, Clemson or Florida State!

Or take them all and go to 16.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

SEC-16

Kick out Arkansas, bring in Kansas, GT Clemson FSU and TTU

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the blatant Keith trolling.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

but i’m serious though

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arkansas will just join the Big East.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

Arkansas makes sense geographically and they don’t suck at sports. If you really want to shake it up, kick out Vanderbilt.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

not really an SEC team to me

I still think of the Southwest Conference when I think of them.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are more of an SEC team thatn Texas A&M would be.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

No less an SEC team than A&M. Georgia Tech having been in the SEC in the past would seem to be the most logical addition, but who really knows these days…

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are those that would argue aTm and East Texas have more in common with the SEC than any midwest conference.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can’t kick out Vanderbilt, they prop up the SEC’s graduation numbers!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is truth, and they’ve got a good baseball program!

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of!

And Jay Cutler is still a thing!

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

they lost a bunch of key guys

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup.

And the APR is going to embarrass some big hoops program soon, trust me.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The SEC presidents have a gentleman’s agreement not to accept any in-state rivals so Georgia Tech and Florida State wont happen. They will go after schools that will widen their recruiting base. They already have Georgia and Florida (because of those schools).

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would eliminate Clemson as well.

So…..they want to add New Mexico or something, because I don’t see where that gentleman’s agreement will get them. They also like having schools that are really good at football.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Virginia Tech is a big possibility. They bring in a new tv market (no reason to expand if you aren’t going to bring in money to make it profitable for all the current schools).

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also enjoy the arrogance of the SEC

“Sure Florida State is one of the most successful programs in the BCS era, but they won’t be a real threat in recruiting until they join the best conference ever.”

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I personally can’t stand the SEC. I’ve learned a lot about them though just because I am a huge Titans fan and almost every Titans fan is a fan of an SEC school.

I would think getting FSU would bring them in some money but they feel they already dominate Florida as a whole.

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

the rules are changing…

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should take Boise St, and be done with it.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boise St. is not even close to fitting in academically with the other Pac schools and needs to seriously beef up the rest of their sports programs til they can even be considered. Boise St. Basketball isn’t exactly going to the tourney every year.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, excuse me CO alumni

but CO is pretty shitty academically, no?
/academic snob

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’s the only comprehensive research university in the Rocky Mountains

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

uhhh....

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you wanna do advanced research and stay in the Rockies, its the only place that has any program you could want.

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

any program, I’m sure different schools have their specialties

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

right, missed the “any program” part.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coors Light A & M?

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

When was the last time Cal west to the tourney? And we had Ariz, and Ariz. St for decades. AKA, Party School 1, and Party School 1A.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

they went to the tourney two years ago i think

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal won the Pac 10 two years ago, went to the tourney, it was a thing

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was the weakest pac 10 in the history

of the pac 10. but flags do indeed fly forever.

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

but then we had to play duke, right?

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

we? Not you too…

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boise State will never be allowed into the PAC-whatever because of their academics and because they wouldn’t help the league increase its telivision markets. This is why I hate when people say BSU is scared to join a major conference. It just isn’t true. They wont be accepted because they’d take more money away then they’d bring in since they have such a small tv market.

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

thatd be awesome

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

TT

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Texas is acting like the boy friend who just got dumped by his girl friend, in this case OU, and is going in full desperation mode and will beg her to stay with him (Texas regents are flying to OU to try to convince them to stay). as we know, that just doesnt work. OU is falling in love with a studly guy (Pac12) because their old relationship has fell apart

by Julio Nievas on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

hard to imagine Pac-12 and studly being used in the same sentence.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

As Josie alluded to earlier, the Pac12 is bar none the best academic conference. Schools want to be a part of that

by Julio Nievas on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because of Stanford and Cal?

The Big Ten is pretty stellar academically and there are dumpy farming schools like Washington State.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

UCLA is pretty... prettty good too

USC can suck a phat one.

Endowment props up that ranking.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

USC is a legitimately elite academic institution now. I believe the Pac-10* (no idea where Utah ranks) is still the only FBS conference with all of its members in the top 100 in US News and World Report.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stan, Cal, USC and UCLA are all in the top 25 US News rankings. Big Ten has Northwestern………….then Michigan

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin is a pretty good school.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

As is Indiana- they're better than both the AZ and WA schools

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

USC, UCLA, UW are pretty damn good institutions too.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course

I’m not suggesting any of those schools are crap. Just that there are a lot of good schools so suggesting that the Pac-12 is far and above the best conference academically seems like a reach.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

From last year’s Newsweek college rankings, off the top of my head. (Which means inaccuracy will happen)

- Stanford – 6th
Cal – 15th
USC -22nd
UCLA – 23rd
Wash. – around 40th
Oregon – 100th
Both Arizona schools in the low 100’s.

The West Coast part of the Pac-12 are pretty good schools.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you memorize Newsweek’s college rankings?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Newsweek ranks colleges?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 12, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every week is a slow week for NewsWeek

in fact, that’s their new slogan

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering how badly the Pac-12 teams are playing, its like falling for a guy with herpes right now.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a short term problem.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

lies!

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did they finally a cure for Herpes?

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its more than just football

The Pac12 is a league of academic prestige and thats a really high selling point. Larry Scott has already begun owning all of theWest, plus plans on marketing Asian markets.

Scott is ballin right now. He’s a brilliant business man, he’s lighting $100 bills to light his cigar right now.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pac-12 should look at UNLV. For the casino monies.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shhh, don’t russle the Tripon. He’s in full Tampon mode.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Scott, tell us how big of an asshole you need to be to play in the major leagues like Mark Trumbo again.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Settle, both of you, or Phil will send you both to bed without dinner.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 12, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

you have to go full asshole to be Mark Trumbo.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looks like such a nice guy in the on desk circle.

That said watch the name calling.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

one look around USC and UCLA and I would think the PAC-1x already has all the asian market covered

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal too

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mandel suggested

getting the Southwest conference back together and having Texas negotiate a side deal (Notre Dame style) where they get into the BCS if they are automatically in the top 8 or whatever since a revived SWC wouldn’t be an auto-bid.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is actually smart thinking. but the OK State billionaire booster is like “fuck that noise”

by delias man on Sep 12, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

What negotiation? The top 8 for a BCS bowl for any independent.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Well that’s a new thing. Notre Dame had negotiated their special rights when the BCS was formed.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

well the Big12 would be all disolved right? So that sixth bid has to go somewhere

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would it? You just throw another at large bid out there.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the BCS wasn’t going to take away the Big East bid for a serverly weakened conference, they won’t do it for the Big 12.

by Tripon on Sep 12, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

even if the Big 12 doesn’t exist anymore, which it wouldn’t it if lost Texas, and the Oklahoma schools joined the Pac

by Josie Becker on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other non-BCS conferences would end up getting that bid. It isn’t set in stone that the current conferences get guaranteed bids. It’s based on the overall rankings of the conferences. With losing all those schools a conference like CUSA or MWC would most likely pass them.

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, I’ll go out on a limb and say the rules will change before CUSA or MWC ever get auto-bids to the BCS.

by Michael White on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet they will too. There was actually a real good chance the MWC could have passed the ACC (or is it Big East? meh) in a year or so had they not lost Utah and BYU (and soon to lose TCU).

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing:

According to The New York Times, almost two out of every 25 people older than 25 have a master’s degree. I need a Masters Degree.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder how many of those are of the online variety.

by kinbote on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

still less than 4% of the population. not that surprising considering how many teaching and business positions require a masters.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d agree with teaching, disagree with business.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

true that.

i guess i was thinking of higher level positions that would require an mba.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve only ever applied for business positions, and the positions I’m applying for (step above entry level) hardly ever ask for a master’s degree. If it asks for a master’s, it’s usually a master’s +2-4 years or whatever, and it’s usually the experience they want, not the degree.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

experience trumps a masters almost always IMHO

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re part of the last generation where only having a bachelors degree might get you a job. Embrace it.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

right and even if/when i get a job

they will want me to get a Masters in Acc or Business Tax. Hopefully paid for.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

A master’s in Accounting or Business Tax? I could see Business Tax if it was coupled with Business Law, but I figure accounting is accounting. I’d be happy to be wrong though

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

usually at a firm if you want to make mgr. or partner you have to get the masters.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

the firm that laid me off paid for you to go to USC for MBT

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

very cool. if i ever get actually hired here, they have a partnership with Pepperdine that would get me my master’s paid for as long as I could show how it would contribute to the company. Kinda cool that companies still do that for their employees.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, yet every company I’ve worked for who had such a smart program then failed to produce the raise that would accompany the degree and they have left the company within 18 months of having the company pay for their education. Of course that was when one could leave a company and find a job.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can still leave the company to find a new job. for whatever reason, having a job makes you more hireable. Agree with people getting their degrees then leaving because they can’t/don’t get promoted.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

depends what you’re trying to do. 8% of the post-graduate aged population having a degree doesn’t of course mean it applies to you as a requirement.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have an undergraduate degree

but working in the same field for over 25 years tends to make that moot. I would like to have one but now it would only be for the sense of getting it not that it would mean anything for what i do.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm the same

no degree, but now years of experience. I suspect in in the minority of people with mgmt jobs without a degree.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 12, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am trailing by two points and the other guy has Brady tonight (I have McFadden). I don’t have high hopes even though DMC will give me double digits.

by silverwidow on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Daniel Hudson/Ian Kennedy are the best pair of starters 26 or under on a major league team.

True or False?

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

FALSE.

Atlanta Braves loudly disagree.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beachy, Jurrjens, Hanson have the quantity…

I’d probably take the Dbax pitchers over all of them (although i really like Beachy).

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Might be true, using 125 innings as the cutoff point.

                                                                           
Player ERA+ IP Year Age Tm Lg G GS CG SHO W L ERA OPS+
Daniel Hudson 115 203.0 2011 24 ARI NL 30 30 3 0 16 9 3.41 92
Josh Collmenter 115 140.1 2011 25 ARI NL 29 22 0 0 9 9 3.40 77
Ian Kennedy 135 202.0 2011 26 ARI NL 30 30 1 1 19 4 2.90 82
Brandon Beachy 115 126.0 2011 24 ATL NL 22 22 0 0 7 2 3.29 86
Jair Jurrjens 127 152.0 2011 25 ATL NL 23 23 2 1 13 6 2.96 94
Johnny Cueto 166 152.1 2011 25 CIN NL 23 23 3 1 9 5 2.36 65
Justin Masterson 131 200.1 2011 26 CLE AL 31 30 1 0 11 9 3.01 81
Jhoulys Chacin 124 175.1 2011 23 COL NL 28 28 2 1 11 11 3.64 82
Clayton Kershaw 156 213.2 2011 23 LAD NL 30 30 5 2 18 5 2.36 59
Ivan Nova 111 144.0 2011 24 NYY AL 25 24 0 0 15 4 3.94 88
Gio Gonzalez 117 173.0 2011 25 OAK AL 28 28 0 0 12 12 3.43 87
Felix Hernandez 122 217.1 2011 25 SEA AL 30 30 5 0 14 11 3.15 79
Matt Cain 127 203.0 2011 26 SFG NL 30 30 1 0 11 10 2.84 70
Jeremy Hellickson 125 170.1 2011 24 TBR AL 26 26 2 1 12 10 2.96 88
Matt Harrison 126 162.0 2011 25 TEX AL 27 26 0 0 11 9 3.50 84
Ricky Romero 140 200.1 2011 26 TOR AL 29 29 4 2 14 10 3.01 78
Jordan Zimmermann 121 161.1 2011 25 WSN NL 26 26 1 0 8 11 3.18 87

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/12/2011.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Felix/Pineda i’d take over the Dbax guys.

Noneof the others I dont think.
I never really thought much of Cain.

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

forgot about pineda. i think SEA wins.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zimmerman/Strasburg might be tough to turn down.

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’ll take the cy young winner.

by court168627 on Sep 12, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is

Hellickson and Price in the discussion? Or King Felix and Michael Pineda. Or Clayton Kershaw and RDR :)?

by bhsportsguy on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hellickson’s peripherals are pretty crap sadly.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d take Zimmerman and Strasburgh myself for 2012.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was thinking of going to the thurs game. if anyone has tickets they’re looking to get rid of id rather pay you then some nameless person on stubhub. at least keep it in the family right?

by raj m on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Arizona

Bloomquist SS
Hill 2B
Upton RF
Montero C
Goldschmidt 1B
Young CF
Roberts 3B
Parra LF
Saunders P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

oh man, we’re gonna score 11 on them tonight.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Kemp wants 40 homers…he needs to hit at least 2 tonight.

by Joey Joe on Sep 12, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to hit 8 homeruns between now and the end of the season.

/stating the obvious

by VegasBlues on Sep 12, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saunders in AZ would be a great situation to make up some ground.

I before E except in Teixeira.

by G.Scott on Sep 12, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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