2011 Dodgers Proving That The Best Bullpen Is Often Times An Inexpensive One
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 10:01 AM PDT
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During the 2010-2011 off-season, the Dodgers aimed to improve on what was an effective unit in 2010 (3.80 FIP/8th In MLB). With all their veteran relievers making their Los Angeles exit, the rest of the potential returning cast consisted primarily of pre-arbitration players making the major league minimum, with only Jonathan Broxton locked into a high paying salary for 2011. The predominantly untested nature of the bullpen didn't sit well with the Dodgers, so they went out and re-signed Vicente Padilla as a reliever, avoided arbitration with Hong Chih Kuo, traded for Blake Hawksworth, gave Mike MacDougal and Lance Cormier minor league contracts, and made a long term commitment to Matt Guerrier.
While handing out millions to seemingly solid and steady veteran relievers is rarely going to play poorly in the media or among fans, they often prove to be unnecessary and costly additions to the roster. Now the Dodgers bullpen in 2011 has been quite effective as a whole, ranking 8th in the MLB in FIP at 3.58, but were the expensive veteran members all that important to the 2011 unit's success?
*50% fWAR (FIP) & 50% rWAR (ERA)
*5,000,000 Dollars Per Win
*Salary Data From True Blue LA
*SV=Surplus Value
Guerra, Jansen, Elbert, Lindblom, and Troncoso are all pre-arbitration farm system arms who have combined for $11,134,000 in SV. MacDougal was given a minor league contract with a mere $500,000 major league option and netted the Dodgers $2,750,000 in SV. Hawksworth, despite his -$676,000 total, was acquired in a trade that rid the Dodgers of Ryan Theriot, who is currently putting up a 0.1 WAR at a $3,300,000 salary for a -$2,800,000 SV, so feel free to credit Hawksworth with that.
Guerrier was the big money free agent signing, and he was actually decently productive in 2011. Unfortunately, the only reason he clocks in at positive value is because of the deferred nature of his overall contract (4 Y/12 M), so he'll have to get better in a hurry if he wants to continue breaking even. The more likely scenario is that it ends up being a neutral to poor overall transaction.
The four pitchers who rank the lowest happen to include three of the top bullpen salaries, with Broxton, Kuo, and Padilla combining for -$17,725,000 in SV. Also clocking in at the bottom of the pile is Cormier (-$4,050,000 SV), who inexplicably made $800,000 in the majors and was inexplicably allowed to pitch 13.2 innings before the Dodgers realized how terrible he was.
Overall, it's quite clear where the value lies in the Dodgers pen, as the data demonstrates that the most productive and most valuable members of the 2011 bullpen have been the farm system arms, and more specifically, those making 500k and below, basically around the major league minimum.
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While the status quo maintains that locking down relievers with track records of success to million dollar deals will lead to overall bullpen stability, it would do the Dodgers and their fans well going forward to remember that money spent hardly guarantees productivity and success, especially with a commodity as volatile as bullpen arms.
Over the course of the 2011 season, the Dodgers relief corps has proved that bullpen arms are indeed a fickle and fungible group, with production to be found from a multitude of sources, and that the most value out of the pen is commonly derived from those making the least. Sticking with cheap team controlled building blocks in the bullpen can be highly effective, and the money used to sign costly relievers can frequently be better used elsewhere.
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Eric is carrying it that way on the sidebar.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Not much more on
Lance Cormier:
2011: Cormier signed a minor-league contract on February 16, 2011. His salary is $800,000, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times.
Cormier was designated for assignment on May 24, then released on May 31.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t whichever team picked him up pay some amount of his salary, leaving the Dodgers off the hook?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I don’t think anyone signed him to a major-league deal, just a minor-league one.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
good stuff
here’s hoping the Dodgers don’t feel the need to spend more money than they already have on the pen
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:07 AM PDT reply actions
+1
This has been a tough year for me because I like to fall asleep while thinking of next year’s roster. Recently, I’ve been turning over the names of Jansen, Guerra, Lindblom, Elbert, Eovaldi, Hawksworth, & Guerrier in my head. I’m genuinely excited about this group.
Based on this year, they shouldn’t have to.
The good news is Colletti doesn’t have money, so he can’t do something dumb like sign Papelbon to a 5-year, 50 million dollar deal.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Based on surplus value
Did we end up losing money or making money on NRIs? Considering the success of McDougal and Miles (at least for a while,) I assumed LAD came out well ahead on this, however seeing Cormier suck so badly has me thinking it might be close to a wash.
Eveland
goes in the plus side of the ledger.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically
guys like Rubby, Dee, count as NRIs. This is the NRI list that Eric was carrying this spring:No Player Age*
60 Roman Colon rhp 31
81 Lance Cormier rhp 30
78 R. De La Rosa rhp 22
67 W. De La Rosa lhp 26
47 Dana Eveland lhp 28
71 Jon Huber rhp 29
66 M. MacDougal rhp 34
80 Ron Mahay lhp 40
46 Tim Redding rhp 33
52 Oscar Villarreal rhp 29
13 Juan Castro ss 39
77 J.D. Closser c 31
61 Damaso Espino c 28
70 Dee Gordon ss 23
35 Gabe Kapler of 35
6 Aaron Miles if 34
49 Trent Oeltjen of 28
68 Jerry Sands of/1b 23
72 Justin Sellers ss 25
9 Eugenio Velez if/of 29
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
No, I wouldn’t count non 40 man guys in the system (at least not for my question.)
by Michael White on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
So the out of system NRIs that ended up on the big club at some point is:
No Player Age*
81 Lance Cormier rhp 30
47 Dana Eveland lhp 28
66 M. MacDougal rhp 34
13 Juan Castro ss 39
6 Aaron Miles if 34
49 Trent Oeltjen of 28
9 Eugenio Velez if/of 29
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
A post-season NRI post-mortem
probably makes for a momentarily interesting post.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Great chance
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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
he's done good his first two starts
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s built like David Wells.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
He’ll be good enough this year to be extremely disappointing next year.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
We already have Juan Rivera for that role.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
and Miles
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
and Billingsley
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
What? I meant Barbara Billingsley. Bitch hasn’t been good since Airplane.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He beat the Giants. Totally worth the NRI.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s almost impossible to lose on NRIs since you’ll jettison the bad ones quickly and you’ll hold on to the ones that over perform.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
eh-oo-HEN-ee-oh
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
You’ll give them so few plate appearances that it won’t matter.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t let facts get in the way of the line.
Aaron Miles giving 0.4 (b-r) to 0.9 (fangraphs) WAR for about 1/2 a million gains a lot of SV.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
but he is not going to be an NRI for quite awhile yet.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Takes me a while to calculate WAR the way I do it, but I assume Miles is positive, so it should be an overall win.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Nathan Eovaldi
Hotttest reliever in baseball.
JLS23
seemed to think so.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
U.S. News 2012 College rankings are out
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
Berkley is at 21
USC is at 23
UCLA is at 24
UCSD at 37
USDavis at 38
UCSB at 42
UCI at 45
UC Santa Cruz at 75
UCR at 97
Don’t think Merced was ranked this year.
I would go to Roger Mudd College or Harvey Pekar College before I went to Harvey Mudd College, but that’s just me.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Rose was #1 for like 12 straight years.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-no-doctorate
The list shows Rose and Harvey Mudd tied for first.
I before E except in Teixeira.
that list isn’t a ranking of undergrad programs, that’s a list excluding schools that offer a doctorate in Engineering. Which excludes the CalTechs and MIT’s of the world
by Josie Becker on Sep 13, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand, it’s still impressive. Does Cal offer doctorate in engineering?
I before E except in Teixeira.
Sorry, I can't do this non-gloaty
Berkeley Mechanical Engineering is the top ranked public mechanical engineering program in the nation and consistently ranked as one of the top mechanical engineering departments in the world.
by Josie Becker on Sep 13, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Were you a Mechanical Engineering Major?
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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
The Berkeley English Ph.D. program has been ranked the top graduate English program in the country, according to the most recent guide to “America’s Best Colleges” published by the U.S. News and World Report. Faculty in the English Department have received more university Distinguished Teaching Awards—25—than any other department.
by Josie Becker on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Now you are talking.
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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you have a Berkley English PH.D?
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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I was taught by some very fine graduate students.
Actual comment from a Brandeis grad student on a Humma paper:
“This paper has some factual errors that make me wonder whether you read the material, but you made me think, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. A-minus.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
this just makes the story
even better
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
In one Calculus class at UCSB I got less than 25% on all midterms and final exam and still got a B- in the class.
There’s rather less room in calculus for “independent thought” and inaccuracy of solutions. It sounds like a bell curve to me – the tests were too difficult for the students, the material was too difficult – or badly taught – and someone intervened to restore order. More nefariously, it could be an instructor looking out for his own ratings from the department and from students…Doesn’t look good to me.
Yeah – it was likely all of the above. Big complaint I had at UCSB (College of Engineering) were all the visiting (foriegn) professors. Many with thick thick accents that you could barely understand and they would be gone the next quarter which made life difficult if there were any grade challenges.
I had this complaint with the UCLA math department, at least for the lower-division and first couple higher-division courses. Once you branched out more in the upper-division courses, that changed.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Should have had a lesson like this
http://kguac.com/2011/09/quadratic-equation-dr-seuss-style/
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
that
was great
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s the obverse to UC’s earnest wish to ensure that all undergraduates have contact with great professors even in introductory classes, that they not be restricted to exclusively grad student Teaching Assistants. It doesn’t always make for the best solution.
My first quarter at UCSD as a freshman
I took first year French, never having taken high school French, and a high school French course should have disqualified students from taking the course. However, they didn’t check the transcripts of the students, and they graded on a curve. My 92 average on midterms and finals got me a B for the course. The grad student teaching the course told me that over half of the students had taken high school French, and the dean and the course professor refused to disqualify them, or change the way the course was graded.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 13, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant that they didn't check the transcripts
at the beginning of the course. When so many got 96-100 on their midterms, then they went and checked.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure. Why get an A the hard way — sucking up to professors and grovelling? That takes so much time and effort.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I took
a Sports Gambling Statistics class in college. Bet you 2 to 1 odds you never could have guessed that. I mean how can you pass up a class like that. The professor did football touts on the radio.
If we’re going to limit Josie to only bragging about Cal accomplishments and programs she was actually involved in, we’re going to need a new post.
I before E except in Teixeira.
I heard her Quidditch team bossed the Pac 12
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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I know this thread is probably dead now, but I’d like to add that Berkeley also has a top 5 grad program in my field (Musicology) and that it is almost universally, anually considered the #1 overall public school in the country, so my guess is that it’s towards the top of most departmental rankings.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t know there was someone else here of like disposition. I’m not a musicologist, but I am on the Music faculty at UCSB. Are you a PhD grad student at Berkeley?
PhD grad student at UCLA. What do you teach?
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
no way. how strange, i guess im just surprised because music types like us usually have no interest in sports.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been to several Dodger games with one of my friends and colleagues here, a musicology professor, who is a fierce (and always despondent) Cubs fan. I have another colleague (clarinetist) who is an Indians fan and plays fantasy baseball.
Plus a voice professor friend who is an Orioles fan and is flown back almost every year to sing the national anthem on opening day for the Orioles.
my goodness. im going to the wrong school, haha.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Boring.
The future is non-mechanical.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
more like
bio-mechanical
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Roy Batty begged to differ, saying, “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wrote this a few years back
I’m human, and I’ll never quit,
So Rachael, let’s you and me split.
If Gaff tried to bomb me
With his origami —
What’s this? Oh, a unicorn. Shit.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m in the minority on this, but I loved the original version with Ford’s narration. Hauer was incredible.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
You are in the minority.
I am in the majority, which felt that there was a perfect movie in there somewhere but Ridley didn’t find it until “The Final Cut” or whatever it was called in 2006 or whatever it was.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if it is fair to say he didn't find it until then
it seems like he knew what it was, the studio just wouldn’t let it see the light of day.
That doesn’t explain the “Director’s Cut” or whatever from 1992.
That was the first version of the movie I saw, and let me tell you, that movie doesn’t make any sense. I went back and watched the 1982 version, and I was like, “OK, now I understand what happens in this movie.” THEN I watched the ‘92 version again, and I felt better about it, but I’m not sure that it should be a prerequisite to know the plot before you see a movie.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
But lost in all this is the fact that Blade Runner — the final cut of Blade Runner — is a perfect science fiction film. Whether or not you agree that it took him 25 years to find it, we can agree that at the end of the day, Ridley fucking found it.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
the Final Cut
is the only version i’ve seen. I really enjoyed it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
but I’m not sure that it should be a prerequisite to know the plot before you see a movie.
Or that the Russians lose.
I before E except in Teixeira.
This just in: the A’s win 20 straight games.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
he did give approval though, so you have a point
The Ridley Scott-approved (1992, 116 minutes) Director’s Cut; prompted by the unauthorized 1990–1991 workprint theatrical release and made available on VHS and laserdisc in 1993, and on DVD in 1997. Significant changes from the theatrical version include: removal of Deckard’s voice-over, insertion of a unicorn sequence and removal of the studio-imposed happy ending. Ridley did provide extensive notes and consultation to Warner Bros. through film preservationist Michael Arick who was put in charge of creating the Director’s Cut.7
unfortunately the electrical engineering and computer science dept. has an unreadable website.
by Josie Becker on Sep 13, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Irony?
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
From the RHIT PResident to the Alumni this morning
Dear Fellow Rose-Hulman Alumni:
It is a proud day for us all! For an amazing 13 consecutive years, U.S. News & World Report has ranked Rose-Hulman as the #1 undergraduate engineering college in the nation that offers the bachelor’s or master’s degree as its top degree.
In addition to the institute’s overall ranking, our departments in chemical engineering, civil engineering, computer engineering, electrical engineering, and mechanical engineering are ranked as the #1 undergraduate programs in their categories.
I before E except in Teixeira.
This is part of the press release they refer to. I think you have to read the fine print on each school’s claim.
Harvey Mudd College (HMC) was named no. 1 among the nation’s undergraduate engineering programs in U.S.News & World Report’s annual college rankings, released today. Moving up from last year’s no. 2 position,
Engineering school. Duh. Unless things have changed.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Nelson Figueroa’s alma mater is #31 — but first in the hearts of nerdy Jews everywhere.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Founded in 1965, University of California—Irvine is a public institution. University of California—Irvine follows a quarter-based academic calendar and its admissions are considered most selective.
this must be a new development
It is. Even Riverside and santa Cruz are refusing applicants now that qualify at any UC. They ship them to Merced now.
-by the director of admissions at UCI.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I went there too!
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the way Forbes does their lists.
Only partially because they put UCD above UCSD, but it’s semantics.
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by Taylor Maricle on Sep 13, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Where would we be
without Javy Guerra this year? I don’t think the FIP (for relief pitchers) does him justice. He has a WPA of 2.24 which takes into consideration the leverage level of the situations he pitched in. Hawksworth was terrible, he pulled in a WPA of -1.58 and had 12 meltdowns to go along with his 8 shutdowns. Can’t wait for a healthy season from Jansen. Shed Broxton’s salary and keep feeding off of the minor league pipeline and the bullpen should be fine.
yup
with Tolleson, Aames, St. Clair, and possibly Wall, there should be plenty of guys they can put in the Pen
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
oh and
can’t forget Scrapmetal
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Add in likely Martin and possibly Withrow
The bullpen should be young and awesome the next 5-7 years.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
We’d be in 3rd place fighting to get to .500
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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 13, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
WAR takes into account leverage. Both ERA/FIP do.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
About Cormier, I *literally* had forgotten he had played for this team this year at all
Wow, a memory repressed, and probably for the best.
Hey, he’s no Lance Carter though!
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future pen 2013
Eovaldi ..closer..,don’t see him as long term SP..
Jansen and Guerra..setup/CL
Elbert..LHP—SU
LIndblom..ml
Tolleson .ml
St clair…LH…EMartin..ML or one of Withrow or Webster or LH AMiller..who don’t make starter that yr..
Pretty nasty,,,,maybe best ever for a few yrs..Bully!
Trying to predict a bullpen is just going to make you sad.
If we have anything near the 2003 pen or even Kuo/Broxton/Saito it’ll be a near miracle.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
If Eovaldi ends up in the bullpen his career will be a huge disappoint to me.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’m with coloblue, I never thought he’d be a starter.
by Michael White on Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Nonetheless, he has already been tried as a starter in the National League with reasonable results. I don’t see any point in abandoning him being a starter at this point.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Eovaldi as RP or SP
Nate has only 2 pitches..FB and slider both are good and plus..BUT no third pitch??
Perfect as dominant RP/..CL..SP need 3 pitches…eventually good hitters will nail him.
As SP he will need that 3rd pitch which he has not been able to develop over last 3 yrs?
2012..i see Eovaldi as SP…!!
But when Withrow ,Amiller and Webster come along to vie for SP slots in 2013….they all have 3 pitches..webster the best of that bunch and one of three will displace Eovaldi to Bully where he will be dominant!
Sooner or later..Lee..Gould..Sanchez…etc will come along NEXT in following yr to bump him..if he still in SP..
So Nate will get great experience as SP….probably #3sp…ERA of 4.0..but eventually replaced..and become solid Bully guy..
If he ever develops that 3rd pitch in next 2 yrs..fine he might stay as SP…
I think calling Eovaldi’s slider “plus” is giving it about 20 points too much credit on the 20-80 scale, but I do think he’ll be able to develop a changeup without too much issue. With his fastball, he doesn’t need a great changeup, just something he can locate.
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I guess so
don’t think he did it on purpose, but that big a change in speed could help throw off the hitter right?
98/99 to 92/93?
Not if it didn’t have any movement and was up. It’s far more likely that a hitter would have been late on the fastball, but he slowed it down to a hittable speed for them. Though, we’re talking about one pitch that I didn’t even see. Just theorizing.
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He has like two different sliders and I don’t think he does it purposely.
He throws one that’s hard-hard like 91-92 that hardly does anything, maybe slight cut. He throws one 87-89 that’s more like a slider with average to above average bite and depth.
IMO, the latter is the pitch he wants.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree, but generally, starters are so much more valuable that i think you have to try good young arms as starters, then move them to relief if it’s been proven that they can’t start. that’s why i think it’s crazy how adamant some people are about keeping neftali feliz in the bullpen.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is exactly why he should still be in the minors, IMO. His second pitch isn’t there yet, much less his third.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanna keep trying until we’re sure it won’t work, but he really does need another pitch.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll note that the Dodgers might not really have a choice in 2012, if the payroll bears are right. They might need a SP making the minimum. Pencil him in for 30 starts and let’s see what he does.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Eveland
giving Eo some time to tune up his offspeed stuff in the minors, and then if/when Eveland fails or someone gets injured Eo can have his time in the sun.
We might need both if the payroll situation is as bad as it looks.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
A rotation of Kershaw, Billingsley, Lilly, Eveland, Eovaldi to start the season? My goodness.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
We’re #3! We’re #3!
Yeah — if there is no drop in performance from either Kershaw or Kemp.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to assume we won’t have as good of a rotation next year, but we won’t have as bad of an offense. Our offseason moves tend to be fairly reactionary.
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Yeah, I figure either the rotation or the lineup will get improved.
That or we’ll get really mediocre solutions for everything. Y’all ready for Carlos Guillen, Coco Crisp, Bruce Chen and Michael Wuertz?
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Frankly, yes, I am ready for that. I don’t think it’ll be any good, but I’m ready.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve come around to agreeing that Eo is a reliever. If last night was any indication, he will be spectacular one. We’ll see what happens when the games mean something but there’s closer potential with that fastball. Easy 99 mph, hitting 100. What an eye opener.
by silverwidow on Sep 13, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
This guy in my office keeps getting Skee-lo stuck in my head with the way he answers his phone.
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Made me think it was Cee-lo
and he answered each call with “Fuck You”
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
For nolander and others
Today is Programmer Day:
http://www.programmerday.info/
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
We should be celebrating programmer’s day on null according to that site.
Why would you go through all the trouble of figuring out a day then having it on 256 instead of 255.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Just reenforces the idea
that programmers have no idea how the real world works.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Volume!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
And tape. Lots and lots of tape.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
flying buttress
You may have a poor sense of anatomy.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
You seem to have a natural feel for it, though.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, i'm with you
Have you seen the pics of her without make up or anything? Oh man.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
ididn’t think she was anything special in Firefly, so all the pictures I’ve seen of her since is just white noise.
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I’d fuck that noise
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Have you seen the pics of her without make up or anything?
True about most actors/actresses.
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by David Young on Sep 13, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
For a lot of them, yeah
But there are still some who are actually good looking without all the make up and effects.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
She's great
I’ve liked her for a long time
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I believe he was all of
4-5 when Friends started.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 13, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
damnit!
lol. I was young when it started but by around 2001 I had caught up on all the episodes and watched it through the finale and after. Always thought Rachel was good looking
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I have to say
that during the “Friends” era, I was more of Courtney Cox fan (who is pretty tiny if you ever see her in person), though Aniston is probably more likely to be the one to hang with the guys and get a beer.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 13, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I was a teenager for most of friends, so Jennifer Aniston was the sex symbol, and Courtney Cox seemed like the mom of the group.
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I find this somewhat funny and a little strange
since based on what you have said before Courtney (who I believe is now 48) could be your mom though Aniston was 25 when the show started (thus 35 when it ended). Cos was playing a slightly younger person living in that fictional apartment in NYC.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 13, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t get that they weren’t all the same age, and in fact IIRC Monica, Phoebe and Rachel supposedly went to high school together, so I figured they were the same age.
I don’t begrudge anyone their personal taste, but for me, Aniston was the end-all be-all when I was in high school.
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Kudrow was the one who did it for me, especially after seeing her in… what was it? Is she in The Opposite of Sex with Christina Ricci? Such a different role from Phoebe and I realized what a terrific actress she is.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah she is a pretty good actress
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I really enjoyed both on the show and thought both were great looking
When Courtney Cox tried out for the show, they wanted her to be Rachel, but she wanted to do Monica’s character.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I wish I had a what if machine
you always hear these crazy almost happened castings, and its so hard to picture them.
After watching 10 years of her as Monica
and then some of her other roles when she was younger, it is really hard to imagine her as Rachel, though she has pulled that off to a degree in her later roles like on Scrubs or The Longest Yard, and I’d imagine Cougar Town, though I’ve never watched.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Yep. Naomi Watts, for one.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
or most people
since people look better in pictures with more expensive cameras and better lighting.
The Internetiest male comment.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean maybe I'm weird/a bad person
but there becomes a point where I’m not sure if its attractive or just silly to have breasts that large.
It's nearly comical for her to have them up that high
It looks kinda ridic if they are that big and being boosted up that much.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I can only imagine her trying to golf like that, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Do you golf in a three-piece suit?
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I class that shit up.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
while others order beer, Bobbie Down golfs in three-piece suits and orders martinis. Dry. Extra olives.
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damn ie
I’ve never had a Martini, but I think I should try one soon. I’d actually class it up a whole nother notch and get an AMF out there :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
i tried a martini, and it’d take it being free and a lot of convincing for me to order another one.
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You just had a bad one.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Drinking evolution
First there are some that just stop at beer.
Then there are some that go for the mixed drink to dilute some alcohol flavor (Long Island Iced Teas, Margaritas, Malibu Rum based drinks)
But at some point you like to settle for a drink – for some it could be scotch on the rocks, I tended to go the vodka route, vodka rocks, vodka martini, vodka tonic.
Now, there is wine but that is usually associated with food or other gatherings, one doesn’t usually get very serious about that at an early drinking stage.
I can make a mean martini and Manhattan, the ability to mix a good drink is a good skill to have.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 13, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Never was a big Scotch fan
until I tried 15-year for the first time. My dad always had 10 or 12-year lying around. But that 15-year is awesome, and I’m sure older vintages are even better.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
All right then. I just wanted to check. Otherwise, it might seem weird to criticize somebody who is dressed up for a red carpet for looking like they would be awkward playing sports dressed in the same way.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think
there is little she can do to make it not awkward to do a sport that involves running or jogging, but then again thats not golf.
dude wins for trying to single-handedly save Africa. That said, at less than $25,000 I can’t imagine him winning
I before E except in Teixeira.
He can do 1,000 per once he hits arb.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
i hope he signs a 100mil/10 year deal that donates another 10mil from the Dodgers straight to his charity of choice.
I before E except in Teixeira.
Is it crazy to think he wants to stay here and might take a discount to do so?
Please tell me it’s not.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I keep fallingback to…the dude had a Dodgers themed wedding. I figure he likes it here, but probably grew up a Rangers fan.
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the Lanky Ace would probably stick out if he went to the mall in Kansas City or Cleveland.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If I ever saw him walking the streets I'd ask him if I could buy him a drink
Or much like spring training last year i’d be 5 feet away and be too nervous to say anything to him. Could be that one, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He honestly seems like a loyal dude
We drafted him, have treated him really well from what I’ve seen, he seems to love LA and his teammates. If there’s one player the last 15 years we keep past free agency Kershaw would be the one to do that with.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I agree with you, but I think if you only have one choice, it has to be Kemp. Hitters are so much more difficult to find.
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For me I’d hate to make that choice, and I’m praying that there is not a choice that has to be made between the two, but Kemp is going to cost more IMO and has less of a chance to stay great (again just my opinion), while I think Kershaw has a much better chance (not counting injuries) to stay great.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Eh, they’re both hard to find. This team signed the likes of Lilly, Schidmt, Garland, Perez, etc to just find serviceable pitching.
yeah, and if you combine all their salaries, you’d get what it would cost to sign a MVP CF for four years.
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true, but in those four years it’s far more likely that the Cy Young winner will break down and/or not play at an elite level than the CF.
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But not nearly as often.
The odds of a pitcher having a long, injury-free career seems a lot less than a field player.
Not as often as arms.
For every field player that had a career altering injury, I bet you could name 20 pitchers.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i think if you look at the numbers of kershaw’s incredibly short career and compare them to the numbers of kemp’s relatively short career, you’ll see much more consistency in kershaw. factor that in with the idea that kershaw is only 23 and is nowhere near his peak…
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
we should show the names of players who have had similar pre-23 seasons as Kershaw.
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terrible logic. so you’re basically saying that his good performance is proof that he’ll have a disappointing career? should we root for bad outings?
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
of course we shouldn’t root for bad outings. I’m saying it’s difficult to point to Kershaw’s success at an early age and use that as evidence to committ $100 million to him without looking at the historically similar pitchers.
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guys from the 60s and 70s? it seems completely ludicrous to say “we shouldnt hand a 23 year old cy young winner a long term contract because dave mcnally and britt bruns didnt work out for their teams…”
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If you look at the list of young pitchers who strike out a shit ton of guys, it’s almost entirely guys who had their arms explode.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
so i guess the mariners better give up on felix hernandez? i’ll take my chances and say that felix ends up in the HOF.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
my point is that you ‘re cherry picking examples. maybe this is facil, but i see good young athletes and think they have a good chance at being good athletes for a relatively long period of time. of course they can get injured, but that’s a risk that’s a part of any signing.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If you look at the guys who struck out over a batter per inning their first four years, it’s a list of guys who killed their arms.
Mark Prior
Kerry Wood
Dick Radatz
Hideo Nomo
Oliver Perez
Scott Kazmir
Herb Score
The two exceptions: Lincecum and Gallardo haven’t been around long enough to prove it out.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But Lincecum has lost a lot of velocity off his fastball already, so it’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him.
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Nomo was inconsistent
But was still pitching later in his career and well.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Reg, let’s take that at face value. What does that mean?
1) Trade Kershaw
2) Keep Kershaw while he is cheap, let him walk as a free agent
3) Sign him to a long-term deal, knowing there’s a good chance it’ll go south
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sign him through his first couple years of FA now, don’t wait until he hits FA then offer him a seven year deal.
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by regfairfield on Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably 3, but you go in knowing one of those years will probably be lost to injury if it’s more than a few years long.
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and that’s the risk of a long term contract. a-rod, tulo, mauer, (pujols, when it happens)…all of these guys are signed to long term deals knowing that you’re not going to get quality every single season. just knowing that you’re giving them what they want in exchange for hopefully several great years out of that contract.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
but we’re not exactly in a position to be able to by out a free agent year or two at $20mil and have it not work out.
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what does that mean? “we’re not in a position to do that and not have it work out.” sure, it would be bad, but it’s not like the team would go under. in fact, colletti handed out $15mil contracts to jason schmidt and andruw jones, those didn’t work out but the team still made the playoffs. no team is “in a position” to have signings fail, but all teams have signings fail.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
where did you get the info on Timmy’s fastball?
by NotJoeTorre on Sep 13, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
injuries, fatigue, stuff not quite being what it was, etc.
The funny thing about the nature of pitcher stuff is that your, let’s say slider, doesn’t really transition from unhittable to very hittable. It’s a great pitch, and stays a great pitch even as it declines, then when it becomes hittable, it becomes really hittable. It’s almost like it hits a threshhold. I may have to draw up a diagram later, it’s pretty interesting stuff.
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And then you’d have John Ely pitching 30 starts.
It is not fair to say “These four guys didn’t work out, just don’t sign those guys and boom, you can afford Kemp.”
This is the Dodger reckoning that has been coming. There are no easy answers.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
oh no, my point was more “servicable arms can be found, elite CF cannot”
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i think that you’re presuming that kemp is an “elite CF.” this season has certainly been elite. the previous ones have been good.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
perhaps. my point is that kershaw is showing much more consistency than kemp.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
According to defensive metrics, the guy is barely passable as a CF. Considering an extension, you have to call him a corner OF (IMO)
by Michael White on Sep 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s about -2 to -4 in center field using non-batted ball advanced metrics, which is fine.
Certainly not worth moving for a 10 run swing in positional adjustment.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
no way
if the choice comes down to it, you have to take kershaw. he projects to have a much more solid career.
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I would sign them both. I would have to take the chance. If either one busts/gets hurt/etc., I’d get fired. I’m OK with that.
That said, while Kemp is my favorite player, I’m a little apprehensive about next year. I don’t think it’s fair to pencil him into next year’s MVP race. I hope he doesn’t fall back too hard, but……
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to sign both to compete, especially if the team is going to have a reduced budget for the next couple of years.
i agree. that’s why i said if the choice comes down to it…
by court168627 on Sep 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
In any event, it’s difficult to figure out what to do with Kemp?
Sign him to a deal this off-season? You just signed him at his peak.
Wait until after 2012? I’m not Kemp, but if I’m in that position, I see what other teams are offering, too. More bidders might equal more money.
Do a mid-year deal? Maybe that is the answer, but not sure if Kemp would do such a deal.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
While this is a good opportunity to sign Kershaw. He has 3 arbitration years coming up, you have somewhat similar deals with Weaver, Verlander, and Hernadez to compare with, and you’re not quite sure when the next time you can contend.
Besides, you’re never going to get his value in a trade, if or if not you sign him in an extension.
Last year was the perfect time to extend him, but people through I was nuts. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you
I’d love to think he can do this again, but he MAY fall back to lower levels. Hell, if he can do 2009 again I’d be thrilled and that would be worth it, but who knows.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Loyalty’s got nothing to do with it.
This is a business, and he is an employee. There are all kinds of reasons why Kershaw might not want to try maximize dollars — maybe he’d like some security; maybe he likes living in LA; etc — and none of us knows what is important to Kershaw.
But loyalty — that is not a reason. If Kershaw suffered a career-ending injury, the Dodgers would not sign him to a multi-million dollar deal after that out of loyalty.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I miss something?
The recent news had been good. Did something happen today?
by Michael White on Sep 13, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s worth noting that for all that we rag on Bud Selig — and I will rag on the man — baseball is the sport with terrific labor peace at the moment.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
they may be the only sport
that cancelled it’s championship game(s) because of labor unrest. Neither side wants to go through that again.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
did they?
never paid much attention to hockey until recently.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
i still couldn’t name you more than 2 players on the Kings, and my brothers are big fans
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
you should watch this season, at least the first game on Oct 7. It’s going to be unreal.
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yes, Kings have made some moves
sucked they didn’t have Kopitar in the playoffs
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d probably not watch at all if Doughty holds out. I thought at the least he’d play out the season and go for the long term deal next year as a free agent.
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We have some kids ready to come up on the D-line, so the Kings will be effective. I will watch this season but I will pay more attention when Drew gets his deal done. He is asking for more than 6.8 per.
It was hard to avoid that story even as a casual fan
well done.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 13, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
funny thing
now I’m actually remembering some things about it. More specifcially people poking fun at it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe 16 years is an unprecedented period of labor peace in baseball’s free agency era.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 13, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
in a world where the nats are happy to give jayson werth a jillion dollars (and pay him more than peyton manning in the process) everyone is happy I guess..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 13, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ominous
@ChrisMannixSI: NBA not budging on hard cap proposal, union advising players to prepare to miss at least half the season. Pretty bad.
carmello should use all his nyk money to throw a parade for himself to celebrate cashing in before the system went to shit and players will make half as much going forward
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 13, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I expect 50 on topic comments and like 300 talking about random shit.
:o
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
did we cover the spread?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Proud to be in the 300
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
(spartan chant)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Vlad Guerrero is 17 hits from the most hits by a Dominican-born player. I had to look up who currently holds the record, I bet people here can get it without doing so.
Go!
Wife Beater?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Wasn’t a serious guess. I actually had Sammy Sosa as my guess.
by Michael White on Sep 13, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course I'm lumping all hispanic players
into the Dominican pool out of sheer laziness, but
Juan Gone?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Still dead
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Sep 13, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The SHow
Just started a new season of the Show with the Dodgers. I simmed through the first season, signed Reyes in the offseason, lost Kuo and Chad to better deals…first two games of the year….blown saves by Broxton in the ninth.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 13, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions
He makes me cuss in life and in video games
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 13, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Computer Broxton
have the fear in his eyes?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I think I got Reyes for 5/90
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 13, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I also locked up Matt and Andre
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I turned my Dbacks into a 115 and then 114 win team
Got Kershaw in the 114 win year for Dan Hudson (who is better than Kershaw some how). I love franchises.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If you can't figure out who it is in the first week
it’s you
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Nope, to small a company to have someone incompetent. The most the incompetents have lasted was one year so far and it hurt the bottom line. Eventually even if you went to USC and the boss is from USC you have to cut em loose.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m with this one…my last job, I worked with 3
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Worse is a small company with incompetents.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 13, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe the worst thing about starting a company
is the realization that for all your efforts, goals, and standards you end up with some people who just suck
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 13, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see
why you are pimping it
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
just remember
that ain’t easy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 13, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Daddy Kaye
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
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