All's Well That Ends Welke For Kershaw, Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:07 PM PDT
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The faithful at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday night were treated to a vintage Clayton Kershaw performance. He confounded the Diamondbacks with fastballs and sliders, throwing two thirds of his pitches for strikes, and didn't allow a run in the Dodgers' 3-2 victory, preventing a sweep. Unfortunately for the fans, however, Kershaw was only around for five innings.
Kershaw allowed just one hit in his five innings, and that hit was by new villain du jour Gerardo Parra. When Parra led off the top of the sixth inning, Kershaw hit Parra on the elbow with his second pitch, and was immediately ejected by home plate umpire Bill Welke.
Umpires aren't required to issue a warning before ejecting a pitcher, as Rule 8.02(d) gives umpires discretion, but Welke did have a quick trigger finger. Kershaw didn't throw at Parra's head; it was just your standard "stick up for your teammate" plunking that could be reasonably be embellished into "throwing inside" during postgame interviews. But then again, maybe Kershaw shouldn't have yelled across to the Arizona dugout on Tuesday night, essentially announcing to the world his intentions (hat tip to Chad Moriyama):
The sparse crowd at Dodger Stadium grew feisty after the ejection, and it boiled into anger rather quickly, perhaps spurred on by manager Don Mattingly being as mad as he has ever been while arguing with Welke. Mattingly embraced his inner Lou Piniella in his heated discussions with Welke and the umpiring crew, and was ejected himself.
The crowd grew so surly that it cheered, loudly, when Welke was hit by a foul tip in the top of the sixth inning. "It's the most life we've had at the ballpark in quite a while," said Vin Scully during the broadcast on Prime Ticket.
In his five innings, Kershaw allowed one hit and no runs, and picked up his 19th victory, tying him with Ian Kennedy for the National League lead. Kershaw struck out five, expanding his league leading total to 236, just two behind Justin Verlander for the major league lead. Kershaw's ERA is now 2.305, the best in the major leagues, just ahead of Johnny Cueto, who is at 2.308 but has a strained right lat and could fall six innings short of qualifying.
Josh Lindblom came in and matched Kershaw, allowing just one hit while striking out five, only it took Lindblom just two innings.
Arizona scored one run off Nathan Eovaldi in the eighth inning, and Parra came within a few feet of tying the game with a flyout to the right field wall. The Dodgers added an insurance run in bottom of the inning, before Kenley Jansen pitched the ninth. Jansen allowed a run on two hits, but also struck out three and picked up his fourth save of the season.
A Tale Of Two Pitchers
Kershaw's start Wednesday night was the 114th of his career, which is a perfect time to look at his career in two halves. You see, Kershaw's 57th start of his career came on May 4, 2010, when he got shellacked by the Milwaukee Brewers at Dodger Stadium, allowing seven runs while recording just four outs. After that game, Kershaw was 1-2 with a 4.99 ERA through six starts, with 24 walks in 30 2/3 innings. Since then, however, he has been simply great.
| Clayton Kershaw's Career, Split In Two | ||||||||||||||
| Starts | IP | IP/GS | H | R | ER | HR | BB | BB% | K | K% | ERA | WHIP | BA/OBP/SLG | W-L |
| 57 | 306.1 | 5.37 | 254 | 123 | 121 | 21 | 165 | 12.65% | 317 | 24.31% | 3.55 | 1.368 | .228/.329/.342 | 14-15 |
| 57 | 392.1 | 6.88 | 296 | 119 | 105 | 23 | 108 | 6.92% | 412 | 26.39% | 2.41 | 1.030 | .208/.266/.297 | 31-13 |
Up Next
The Dodgers open a four-game series with the Pittsburgh Pirates on Thursday night. Dana Eveland starts the opener for the Dodgers, against Ross Ohlendorf for the Pirates. Pittsburgh has lost 33 of its last 46 games.
WP - Clayton Kershaw (19-5): 5 IP, 1 hit, 5 strikeouts
LP - Daniel Hudson (16-10): 7 IP, 5 hits, 3 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts
Sv - Kenley Jansen (4): 1 IP, 2 hits, 1 run, 3 strikeouts
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I just seeing Kershaw chewing gum.
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I know he said “Find out”, but I can’t really tell what the other things he saying.
by Julio Nievas on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you'll find out
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He says...
“Yeah, Find Out, Jericho”
He was just letting Parra know about the book of Joshua in the Bible. A little friendly scripture chat between co-workers.
That makes the ejection completely bullshit
Particularly since he was nowhere near Parra in his first AB.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He threw up and in during the first at bat. It wasn’t close to hitting him, but it is far from “nowhere near”.
In addition, I think it is no coincidence that there were five innings in the books before CY Candidate Kershaw “pitched inside” to Parra.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Sep 14, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot can happen in four innings though, especially in a two run game. If I was Kershaw, I’d want to control my own destiny for as long as possible to insure a win. If it was intentional, it was awfully dicey to do it in the 6th inning when he was cruising.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly this.
Plus, if you are going to hit someone, you hit them on the first pitch of the at bat.
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That was my first thought too.
Pitchers usually don’t throw at a batter’s elbow on a purpose pitch either.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just going by what I saw on Gameday. The pitches didn’t look that close.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
No what? The replay was just showed on tv and they made sure to show that pitch. Like I said he wasn’t trying to hit him, but it was a purpose pitch to back him off the plate a little. It wasn’t as if every pitch was 3 feet away from him or something.
I threw up and in after the ejection.
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Whatever, even with a suspension, just push his next start back a day, or something.
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either way
he still has two remaining starts, though it would be kinda nice if his last one was at SD rather than arizona.
If he's suspended though
he’ll definitely appeal, and will keep playing. If the appeal takes the rest of the season he’ll serve the suspension next season if he loses, if I’m not mistaken.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’ll get suspended though. Welke was out of line and I think MLB will see it that way.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’ll get suspended nor do I think he should be. His punishment was taken care of with the ejection. Welke wasn’t wrong though. Kershaw brought this on himself by being so vocal yesterday.
It's like you're Welke's brother...
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I fervently hope this is right. He may get suspended but it won’t matter. I sincerely hope this is the last word on the matter.
However, that ball is now in the Diamondbacks’ court, and we will see what they choose to do with it. They should let Kershaw have the last word — or the ump, or the MLB, as the case may be. But maybe they’ll choose to keep this thing going. I hope not.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Sep 14, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if I didn’t take the position I already took, I’d be forced to take this position, just to oppose Psycho Lyons. Whatever he believes is, by definition, wrong.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Thanks. Constant replay helps.
Barajas is lined up on the inside part of the plate.
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That did not look intentional to me. Kershaw just missed his location inside.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to Welke apparently.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
I must be tired.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
“I understand that Bill has a job to do, but pay attention to the game.”
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Sep 14, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw
“First at-bat, I threw them all away, and he hit a double. Next at-bat, I have to pitch him in. It’s just unfortunate in my opinion. Bill’s just too strict back there. I understand he has a job to do, but just pay attention to the game and understand what’s going on a little bit better.”
I was going to ask…you working tonight?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, he wasn't trying to hurt him but he's pretty much throwing at him, but giving him a chance to get out of the way. Pretty precise location actually..
Questionable call though, you could kind of argue either way
now
let’s get back to .500 off these Pirates
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions
From Steve Gilbert (AZ beat writer)
Dbacks GM Towers was informed pregame by MLB’s Joe Garagiola Jr. that MLB was keeping a close eye on things tonight after incident Tues.
Dbacks Daniel Hudson said his understanding was that if he hit a batter he could be thrown out and possibly suspended.
Crew chief Tim Tschida said no pregame warnings, per Josh Suchon on DodgerTalk.
But Suchon also said Mattingly talked to Torre beforehand.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought they talked everyday anyway.
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Kershaw aware that he might get thrown out if not careful?
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 14, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Bramlett
Mattingly confirmed that Joe Torre called to say the MLB was keeping watch. Donnie didn’t take it as a warning.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
those two quotes illustrate the heart of the problem
MLB bureaucrats making things worse to justify their existence
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
The owners are protecting the players they pay millions of dollars to. Stupid owners wanting to make money…
yeah I get why it's happening
but it hurts their own product, it’s micromanagement run amok
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Not protecting much, because they still get hit and it will never stop.
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 14, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
People break laws. Should all laws stop being enforced because people continue to break them?
The two aren’t close to the same situations, but the point is the same.
He wasn’t head hunting. Better protect those hitters from a baseball to the back, that might bruise!!!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
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Here is what game you’ll be getting.
Can the Dodgers officially protest Welke’s call to MLB? If so, I realize it’s never made public or we’d hear about these, but if it’s well-worded (lawyers?) could it ever make a difference?
Wouldn't matter (I don't even think they could protest)
Umps have discretion
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you protest a game you won?
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Point taken
But the protest, if filed, would have to happen right after the play or very soon thereafter (I’ll look it up). I don’t even think this would fall under something that could be protested though
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Full rule
PROTESTING GAMES.
Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game, when a manager claims that an umpires decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final.
Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless in the opinion of the League President the violation adversely affected the protesting teams chances of winning the game.
Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
OK. Forget official protest then.
Can the Dodgers request that umpire Welke be disciplined for being an asshole/similar, poor umpiring?
Sure it was.
When the umpires dictate the results of the game by their decisionmaking and not the performance of the players, they have failed epically.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It was Kershaw’s decision to hit him that brought any of this up.
As you can easily see I feel that Kershaw hit him on purpose.
Well, I reluctantly begin to see a bit of a place for this sort of stuff, then, I guess. I really dislike all the macho retaliation, it seems almost comical to me. I thought it was absurd when Billingsley was criticized for playing baseball instead of kids’ games. But the other side of it has to be that there’s a mechanism for putting mistakes right, and correcting misjudgments. If there’s no way whatsoever to do that, then I can begin to understand why players and teams try to take matters into their own hands.
Look, this case is a little unusual. Evidently there is such a thing as an official protest to reverse a result when an injustice has occurred. And, sure, that’s most important when some team’s record is on the line and can affect their playoff chances. But in this case, we have an individual’s reputation and chance for a really major award on the line. Losing kershaw could have meant losing the game and a Kershaw win. Even with the win, he probably lost 3-5 strikeouts. Probably that will be balanced by some Cy Young voters trying to make their own restitution. But there should be a way to appeal decisions.
Every now and then you’ll hear of a team sending tapes to the league office on either bad calls or strike zone related stuff. But similar to arguing with an umpire, the present call won’t get changed but the hope is that future calls will go the other way.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 11:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t say anything about about protesting a game. Please read again. I said protesting Welke’s decision to throw out Kershaw. The argument would be that Kershaw did not throw at Parra’s head, or behind him, or intending to hit him, just normal pitching inside (and low).
There is no recourse they have, other than to make a call or send a letter/email to MLB. Nothing official. It’s up to MLB to police the umps.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
More from Gilbert
“Dbacks Montero on Kershaw: It was a stupid move by him. I thought he was better. He was the one who was talking [deleted] yesterday so, I don’t know, we’ll see him next time.”
More from Montero, via Gilbert
“I think he’s a good kid too. He’s got electric stuff. That’s a shame that he threw at Parra rather than go out there for eight innings.”
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The funny part is that I clearly would have won 1,020 points in Xeifrank’s contest. Eight innings my ass.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
now they're extending it
rather than letting it die
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Upon reflection, Montero added
we’ll see him next time…and we’ll lose again.
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I wonder what Preston Mattingly would say if he could be reached for comment
by Michael White on Sep 14, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
he's too busy with his career as a basketball trick shot expert
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Quick, go ask him!
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Gibby should nip this in the bud
I think.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, Morontero. Shut the fuck up, asshole.
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What a douche
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Mattingly appears on the verge of tears.
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Dodgers pitching coach Rick Honeycutt on Kershaw’s ejection: “I think it was a BS call. If we were going to hit him, it’d be in his back”
exactly
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a big indicator is the way Kershaw reacts after Parra gets hit. Having seen a lot of (and done my fair share of) intentional HBP’s, Kershaw’s body language is more of a “Damn, that wasnt supposed to happen. Please dont toss me.” He was also genuinely surprised when he was tossed, which is an indicator to me that he didnt mean to plunk Parra. i have no doubt he wanted to buzz him inside, but I still dont think that was intentional. As Honneycut said, if it was intentional, Parra would still be feeling it instead of taking one off of his arm.
He didn’t mean to hit him, but the pitch was a threat beyond a brush back in my opinion. And that’s enough that he should be prepared for the consequences.
Oh, i totally understand being thrown out because it was a fast decision made by Welke, and with what what on, I probably would have done the same thing. I just dont think Clayton meant to hit the dude.
by UCLADodger32 on Sep 14, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, the game has become wussified. Hell, I would have done what Parra did and I would have been expecting a HBP. Aa long as it wasnt near the head, nobody should have had a problem with it.
by UCLADodger32 on Sep 14, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
We've got no problem with a ball hitting this guy's head, though.
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by Julio Pena on Sep 14, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
this is my favorite video ever
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I kinda wish Kershaw would’ve aimed somewhere other than the elbow
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Should've punched him on the cock.
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by Julio Pena on Sep 14, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
on thewith his
That would work too.
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by Nolij on Sep 14, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna say right at the knees
But I guess that works too
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And myself were there tonight, each of us csn times two Lindblom’s age and still need to add.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems like an odd and short response for no reason
Lindblom is like 24 or 25, so that’s really cool.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Well after watching the game on replay late tonight everyone's already said everything I would say about the BS ejectin.
But obviously I’m super glad they hung on to win, and big time kudos to Lindblom, Eo and KJ for great relief. It may not mean much to standings or anything buut spiritually that was a ig time win.
I have never seen Donnie so mad and I don’t blame him. As Honeycutt said, if they wanted to bean him on purpose it clearly would’ve been different in every regard. And I’m sorry, Parra just continuing to mouth off about it all afterwards he ONCE AGAIN does not take the high road. He has not chosen to do that once in two days and I maintain that he’s a DBag as much as he is a DBack.
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Also, it's pretty for all the s**t we give Aaron Miles especially for his defense
(and I’m as guilty of that as anyone, worrying about his D earlier today) he played really well there today. And got a key hit late that was the difference in the game. Kudos to the Gnome.
Oh, and revisiting the 9th, Upton jawing to the maligned home plate ump about the strike 3 call — that could not have been more right down the middle. I even rewatched it. He was just frustrated which is understandable but wow, don’t push your luck with the ump there son.
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*pretty funny that is.
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Miles came through for us at the plate and in the field
No question.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 15, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Also pretty funny: scrolling through the game thread comments
Hah. Y’all cracked me up.
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i don’t know what the fuss is all about, just a bit of gamesmanship. we all knew CK would throw at parra or at least “send a message.” CK sent it and the umps had to do the obligatory thing and toss him, lest this get out of hand and we see matt kemp get plunked. if anything this solidifies CK in the clubhouse and gives him that rep – you mess with my boys there’s a heater coming at your ass.
the umps have to have a quick trigger or else all the crazies out there will turn this into duckhunt.
My opinion of Kershaw vs. Parra was that Clayton was trying to buzz him way inside, and if Parra doesn’t get out of the way fast enough, then so be it, tough shit, you’re getting nicked. Not ejection-worthy. If Clayton had been trying to hit him on purpose, he would have thrown it at Parra’s back, where he wouldn’t be able to avoid it.
In Parra’s first AB, Clayton threw one pitch that was kinda sorta up and in, but it didn’t drive him off the plate far enough, because when Clayton went outside on a later pitch, Parra lunged over and drove it to LF. Pretty obvious that Clayton wasn’t going to let him do that again. I posted this over at Chad’s site, so here is the obligatory link:
http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2011/09/clayton-kershaw-gets-ejected-everybody-gets-mad/
by The Dude Abides on Sep 15, 2011 1:03 AM PDT reply actions
The pitch that was sort of up and in on Parra
in the first AB was a fastball at 96, as was the fastball on the outside corner that Parra hit for the double.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 15, 2011 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
So life lesson, if you don’t want to get tossed for throwing at a guy, don’t act like a gigantic ass before hand and give people every reason to believe you want to throw at the guy.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 3:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Was there any comment from Welke last night
Any coverage or comments from the ump? I couldn’t find any.
WHAMMY!
the crew chief
said he believed it was intentional.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, some interesting back story
According to this AZ guy, Kuo WAS looking to head hunt on Parra because Parra had smacked an HR back in July.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/141756
WHAMMY!
does kuo have some headhunting history I'm not aware of?
Just because someone hits a dinger against a pitcher doesn’t mean you can assume any up and in pitch is thrown with purpose the next time you face him.
I can't really remember him hitting anyone, much less on purpose
I don’t see how anyone can look at Kuo’s year and think he’d be trying to hit someone.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
To be clear
I don’t believe Kuo was headhunting, but some regional writer who doesn’t know the Dodgers very well, could put 2 and 2 together and assume that they know what is going on. Then again, in this case I think they put 2 and 2 together and got 22, and think 22 should have been ejected.
WHAMMY!
The odds of a pitch going where Kuo wants it to are incredibly low.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Daniel Hudson
not taking the same line as his catcher.
Said Hudson: “I don’t think Clayton did anything on purpose. A pitch just got away from him and unfortunately it was to the wrong guy, the guy who was in the middle of everything yesterday.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:16 AM PDT reply actions
This is gonna keep escalating until Mattingly wakes up next to Kershaw’s head.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
that's why I said yesterday
Gibby should nip in the bud
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems way more likely that Gibson will run out and kick Gwynn in the nards just before the first pitch.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
If you’re gonna get revenge on someone this seems way more efficient than hitting them, and no players get ejected. I will inform the Dodgers of my new brilliant idea.
Hell just send a bat boy to do it.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
to do the kicking?
or to take the kick?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Why not both?!
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
now that's a plan
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
why Gwynn?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I figured he’d be leading off.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I also forgot Dee Gordon exists.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
for real?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Gibson called Gwynn that?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
and I
was a newborn
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He's probly been in similar situations
So he really knows what that is like.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Last season this was the selective endpoint I used in my fan post to show what a marked improvement Kershaw made from that point on
You see, Kershaw’s 57th start of his career came on May 4, 2010, when he got shellacked by the Milwaukee Brewers at Dodger Stadium, allowing seven runs while recording just four outs. After that game, Kershaw was 1-2 with a 4.99 ERA through six starts, with 24 walks in 30 2/3 innings. Since then, however, he has been simply great.
I’m incredibly glad that’s actually gone from a point in one season to a point in a career where he’s turned a corner.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Here's how I see it going down...
No suspension comes, Kershaw finishes up against the Pads, we go to AZ, on Monday there are some dirty looks and words exchanged with Parra. On Tuesday someone gets cute and throws high and tight to Kemp, someone stupid. This gets a lot of chatter going, both benches are warned. On Wednesday, with nothing to lose, Lilly drills Parra in the ass and then stares him down, this causes the AZ bench to clear, which causes the LA bench to clear, and 2 AZ players are ejected. All in all this will only end badly for AZ, but the net result is come next season we have a nice new feud boiling over with the D-Bags.
WHAMMY!
If they were going to hit Kemp
They would have done it last night.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
But last night they didn't need to
Something has to escalate, and I think the Dodgers feel that the message has not yet been sent. Cooler heads should prevail, the question is who escalates first, AZ or LA.
WHAMMY!
if it's going to escalate
it will be the D-backs who do it. The Dodgers should feel the message has been sent. No more need to hit anyone.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see why AZ would carry this further
They’ve got a post-season to focus on, no real point in getting further involved in this type of shit.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
the issue should be dead.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
almost did
Kemp’s cat-like reflexes were too much for’em! :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Per RotoWire - Who Am I?
WHO AM I?
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I’m a pitcher no one pays attention to.
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I’ve currently got a better ERA than Jon Lester, Felix Hernandez, David Price, Shaun Marcum and Tim Hudson.
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My WHIP is better than household names like Jeremy Hellickson, Ricky Romero, Alexi Ogando, Zack Greinke, Felix Hernandez, Tim Lincecum and CC Sabathia.
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I’m tougher to hit than you might think. My batting average against is lower than the total posted by arms like Bud Norris, Yovani Gallardo, Jair Jurrjens, Sabathia and Matt Garza.
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Despite all my success, I’ve got fewer wins than guys you would never roster on a mixed league squad for an extended period of time like Jake Arrieta, Bruce Chen, Brad Penny, Luke Hochevar, Zack Britton, A.J. Burnett and Brian Duensing.
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I’ve already thrown a career best 197.1 innings. I’ve never been over 171 in my big league career.
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The last two years my ERA has been above 4.00, though this year I’m just a great outing away from it dropping below 3.00 this year.
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Who am I?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Great pull
Being on Seattle suppressed his wins, but he’s been dominant since traded to the hottest team in baseball.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I am
The Tigers’ Doug Fister.
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Fister has only eight wins in his 197.1 innings, but his ERA is down to 3.06 and his WHIP is 1.12 on the year. A strong performer with the Mariners early in the year (3.33 ERA, 1.17 WHIP), Fister has morphed into a Justin Verlander clone in his eight starts with the Tigers going 5-1 with a 2.28 ERA and 0.99 WHIP. Thank the better than eight to one strikeout to walk ratio for a large portion of that success (he has 41 Ks and just five walks over 51.1 innings).
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
and then end it
with a pie in the face
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
don't think so
The last two years my ERA has been above 4.00, though this year I’m just a great outing away from it dropping below 3.00 this year.
Jeff Karstens?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
“arms like Bud Norris?”
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
My batting average against is lower than the total posted by arms like Bud Norris, Yovani Gallardo, Jair Jurrjens, Sabathia and Matt Garza.
He could have used 29 pitchers instead of Norris
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I just thought he was the one of those things that was not like the other on that big list of guys.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Madbum?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
it's Fister
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Fister?
I hardly know her
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
man
you didn’t read any of this particular thread did you?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
The sparse crowd at Dodger Stadium grew feisty after the ejection,
For a Wednesday Night the crowd did not seem sparse. It certainly was at the started but by the time Clayton was tossed they had fans from one end of the reserve to the other. The Pavilion’s were empty but the rest of the stadium was fairly full. I don’t think the season ticket holders stayed home last night, and Craig said they had 5,000 walk up sales which as to be the high for the year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wednesday night Kershaw
Thursday night Eveland
What a difference a day makes
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 15, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
My favorite part of the Kid K aftermath is where CK implies that the umpire isn’t paying enough attention to the game
I liked that as well
did not seem “implied” though he straight up said it:
I understand he has a job to do, but just pay attention to the game and understand what’s going on a little bit better
by MammothDodger on Sep 15, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I am glad I am not near a construction site
because I would totally eat me a roach coach breakfast burrito right now
hmmmmmmm
If a roach coach triples their prices, they get to be a ‘food truck’
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
‘Mobile Culinary Production Institute’
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
It's more than that
They also have to get a different horn.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The one that comes by my work that I have never touched is called
“Ideal Foods” That does not even sound good. At what point do you see all these badass trucks and say we need a new name!
And yes we are all over the HBP but in case you are not, make your voice heard!
RT @MLBNetwork
Did @Dodgers’ pitcher Clayton Kershaw deserve to be ejected last night? USE #TheRundown in your response and tune in at 3pm ET.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Also, from Jon Heyman (so, FWIW)
RT @si_jonheyman: some best guesses for prince 2012: #rangers, #orioles, #dodgers (if they get $/new owner), #nats
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
looking at Shakin's stuff on LAT
sounds like it won’t be decided until next year.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense
He did try to get into the Dodgers clubhouse even as a Brewer. Security had to remind him that he was not a Dodger yet.
Also, I continue to not want this.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
could be interesting:
Dodgers Los Angeles Dodgers
Guest tweeting today will be 19-game winner, Clemente Award nominee & should-be #CyYoung winner Clayton Kershaw #SocialSept
I doubt he’ll talk about last night.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That is really something that Clayton has dropped his walk rate by almost 1/2 during the second part of his career. More and more he’s looking like a unique talent.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It really has been awesome to see.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
when I think of all the things I am grateful for, Clayton Kershaw makes the list
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 15, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
When they reboot Bull Durham, Kershaw will make the “Oh My” speech
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Kids these days don’t know from AstroTurf.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Can’t wait for Ryan Reynolds as Nook Laloosh.
/blech
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how disliking the concept of reboots and putting Ryan Reynolds in things qualifies as jealousy.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
is this a reference to Scarlett Johansson? Because that is clearly the best thing RR has ever done…
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
saw her half-naked in Lost in Translation
i disagree
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s because she was vibing off Bill Murray’s hotness
by Josie Becker on Sep 15, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
so you'd let him
lip your stockings? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
again
Terrible judge of other girls hotness.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
you're one to talk
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
they’re remaking Point Break, no word on the new Johnny Utah
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
They should bring back Gary Busey as the same character
That would be great, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
We can’t be far from a shot by shot remake of a movie with the exact same actors playing all the roles.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Or….with Ryan Reynolds in alllllll the roles!
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
they should do a shot by shot remake with all the same actors
but in DIFFERENT roles.
Keanu as Bohdi
Swayze as Utah
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Or from a different character’s perspective.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Omg that would be epic
Especially since Swayze is in the grave.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
RIP Mr. Swayze
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Weekend at Point Break
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It won't be the same Gary Busey this time
He’s even crazier now!!!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Has there ever been an intentionally bad movie that has been remotely watchable?
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
how do you define intent?
should we ask Welke? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really a fan.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
not saying it was good
never saw it. Just saying I think it was intentionally bad from what I heard.
Sure, but it was trying to become a cult classic, and I don’t think that’s possible if you try.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, Where’s My Car was remotely watchable.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I don’t know if that wanted to be bad, just a stoner comedy.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I will say that Freddy Got Fingered is at least watchable once you understand what Tom Green was trying to do.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
What was he trying to do?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
make sure
that no one would ever want him to make another movie.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
The lesson of the movie is “if you give a lunatic millions of dollars, don’t be surprised when he does something stupid with it”
Green’s entire goal was to waste the studios money by not only releasing the worst movie he possibly could, but doing stuff like blowing up a boat, then cutting the scene from the movie.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to respect a man who tanked his entire career to prank a movie studio.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I respected him plenty just for the “Where’s my dinner, bitch” paper mache statue and the slut mobile.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Tom Green as the PA announcer at a minor league game.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
wow, that's actually pretty funny
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I had to laugh
that just as I was thinking, “Is this fucking movie ever gonna end?” Someone in the movie holds up a sign saying exactly that.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen Shark Night?
Intentionally shitty, and somewhat hilarious to watch BECAUSE it was so bad.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Is that because is may as well been rated X?
Seeing that movie on Vh1 it’s completely unwatchable, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Last Night
I was reminded of a game in Cincinnati several years ago. Gagne was in the middle of his dominant years, and was in a tie game in the 10th inning. He hit a Reds batter and was immediately ejected. There had been no warnings prior, because there had been no incident prior. The umpire (can’t remember who) simply decided Gagne had thrown at the hitter in a tie game in extra innings. I remember it vividly as I was livid at the call. The Dodgers went on to lose the game. I am not good enough with BBRef game log to find it, but it probably owld have been ’03 or ’04.
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
August 1, 2002
Dodgers were up 4-0 in the 9th. Aaron Boone hit a two-run home run to cut it to 4-2, then Gagne hit Adam Dunn. He was ejected by Dan Iassogna.
Jason LaRue tied it with a two-run double later in the inning off Giovanni Carrara, then Ken Griffey ended it with a two-run shot off Omar Daal in the 13th.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 15, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Gagne can’t pitch if it’s not a save situation.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Channeling Todd Worrell.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
That’s 1987 Topps All-Star Rookie Todd Worrell to you
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200208010.shtml
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I never
Know what to make of these things. These type of years don’t come this often
Rk Player Year IP ERA W SO Age Tm Lg G GS W-L%
1 Roy Halladay 2011 219.2 2.34 18 211 34 PHI NL 30 30 .783
2 Clayton Kershaw 2011 218.2 2.30 19 236 23 LAD NL 31 31 .792
3 Randy Johnson 2002 260.0 2.32 24 334 38 ARI NL 35 35 .828
4 Kevin Brown 1998 257.0 2.38 18 257 33 SDP NL 36 35 .720
5 Greg Maddux 1998 251.0 2.22 18 204 32 ATL NL 34 34 .667
6 David Cone 1988 231.1 2.22 20 213 25 NYM NL 35 28 .870
7 Mike Scott 1986 275.1 2.22 18 306 31 HOU NL 37 37 .643
8 Dwight Gooden 1985 276.2 1.53 24 268 20 NYM NL 35 35 .857
9 Steve Carlton 1980 304.0 2.34 24 286 35 PHI NL 38 38 .727
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My point being
Since 1980, there have only been 9 seasons where a NL pitcher had over 200 IP, 200 strikeouts, an ERA at 2.40 or lower and 18 or more wins. On the one hand, it is great to be among those names but this almost has to be considered a peak for Clayton doesn’t it?
does it?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily, I’m sure the list opens up a little more if you tweak the parameters.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
fair thought, but I refuse to acknowledge it or have it
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 15, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Important
Though when you talk about future contracts. I almost believe there are more non-statical reasons to get Kershaw to sign an extension then using comps.
Not sure, other then Gooden he was younger then all of them by a significant margin and he’s about to hit his prime in a pitcher era. We could see a string of these, making him the only person to appear on this list twice.
If you remove the wins, I think the search would be more useful.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
200 innings, 200 K, ERA+ >=160 brings up 41 seasons since 1980.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of which are Pedro, The Unit, and Clemens.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Strangely if you take out the plus k/9 rate of over 9 his comps are solid for what he has accomplished by age 23. Yet as you have pointed out when you use the k/9 as a search tool his comp’s all sucked. How much has the K rate increased this century?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Reg
Phil were talking about this last night, for the long term does Kershaw have to strike out less batters (sounds dumb and maybe this is my question only)
I’m not a doctor or an expert on mechanics by any means so this is purely conjecture.
Maybe the human arm simply can’t handle transitioning to proball and straight up dealing. You might need to build up to it. Most of these seasons came when the pitcher had been in the league for a few years, while the guys who started off strong faded away fast.
Even if you drop it to 8 K/9 you do hit some greats like Johnson, Clemens and Feller but there’s a whole lot more arm injuries in there too.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
At the same time, conditioning is far better understood than it ever was. I think you just can’t know until you know. The human body wasn’t really made to throw a ball overhand at all in the first place. In that sense, every ball thrown is like a click in Russian roulette.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Sure, but a ton of those guys on the disaster list are modern players. Prior, Wood, Oliver Perez, and Kazmir.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we focus on injuries more nowadays because we understand them better. In the old days, when guys got seriously injured, they usually just disappeared. HoFers like Mickey Welch and Ed Walsh were essentially done at 30 and 32 respectively. There are countless other guys who we’ve never heard of that just faded into the mists.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Phil, HJ
Wasn’t Carlton’s best pitch his slider? I wonder if Kershaw moves more that pitch, will it lead to his path of still getting strikeouts but also longevity. Who the he’ll knows?
The high K/9 is indicative of either throwing really hard or having absolutely filthy breaking stuff, and both of those things require above average torque on the body, above and beyond the already unnatural movements a pitcher makes. That’s why guys both don’t throw exceptionally hard for long periods of time and don’t maintain dominant breaking pitches for more than a couple seasons before it starts to drift off. That being said, “drifting off” can still be a dominant pitch for awhile after it’s not peak.
I before E except in Teixeira.
I like
that there are some old ass guys on this list who are lefties
in my dream world Kid K goes on a 15 year run that is historic and meaningful and gives even non-fans a glimpse of what the perfect marriage of purpose, genius, talent, and opportunity can result in
all of us, inspired by Kid K, find a piece of genius in our own lives and do our jobs just a little bit better because we want to be a little bit more like him, the world prospers, peace reigns, hunger and disease are things of the past
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 15, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Clayton Kershaw = Wyld Stallions?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 15, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, took out wins, changed to ERA+ - sorted by age
Rk Player Year IP GS ERA+ SO Age Tm G W L W-L%
2 Dwight Gooden 1985 276.2 35 229 268 20 NYM 35 24 4 .857
3 Mark Prior 2003 211.1 30 179 245 22 CHC 30 18 6 .750
4 Clayton Kershaw 2011 218.2 31 160 236 23 LAD 31 19 5 .792
5 Tim Lincecum 2008 227.0 33 169 265 24 SFG 34 18 5 .783
6 Kevin Millwood 1999 228.0 33 167 205 24 ATL 33 18 7 .720
7 Tim Lincecum 2009 225.1 32 173 261 25 SFG 32 15 7 .682
8 Pedro Martinez 1997 241.1 31 219 305 25 MON 31 17 8 .680
9 Ben Sheets 2004 237.0 34 162 264 25 MIL 34 12 14 .462
10 Ubaldo Jimenez 2010 221.2 33 161 214 26 COL 33 19 8 .704
11 Jake Peavy 2007 223.1 34 158 240 26 SDP 34 19 6 .760
12 Adam Wainwright 2009 233.0 34 155 212 27 STL 34 19 8 .704
13 Jose Rijo 1993 257.1 36 163 227 28 CIN 36 14 9 .609
14 Darryl Kile 1997 255.2 34 156 205 28 HOU 34 19 7 .731
15 Adam Wainwright 2010 230.1 33 161 213 28 STL 33 20 11 .645
16 Johan Santana 2008 234.1 34 166 206 29 NYM 34 16 7 .696
17 Mike Scott 1986 275.1 37 161 306 31 HOU 37 18 10 .643
18 Kevin Brown 1997 237.1 33 150 205 32 FLA 33 16 8 .667
19 Greg Maddux 1998 251.0 34 187 204 32 ATL 34 18 9 .667
20 Roy Halladay 2010 250.2 33 165 219 33 PHI 33 21 10 .677
21 Kevin Brown 1998 257.0 35 164 257 33 SDP 36 18 7 .720
22 Roy Halladay 2011 219.2 30 166 211 34 PHI 30 18 5 .783
23 Curt Schilling 2001 256.2 35 157 293 34 ARI 35 22 6 .786
24 Steve Carlton 1980 304.0 38 162 286 35 PHI 38 24 9 .727
25 Randy Johnson 1999 271.2 35 186 364 35 ARI 35 17 9 .654
26 Kevin Brown 2000 230.0 33 169 216 35 LAD 33 13 6 .684
27 Randy Johnson 2000 248.2 35 181 347 36 ARI 35 19 7 .731
28 Randy Johnson 2001 249.2 34 188 372 37 ARI 35 21 6 .778
29 Randy Johnson 2002 260.0 35 197 334 38 ARI 35 24 5 .828
30 Randy Johnson 2004 245.2 35 178 290 40 ARI 35 16 14 .533
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How did we get entirely different results?
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha. I love how this is a list of amazing pitchers and then Jose Rijo sneaks in there.
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by regfairfield on Sep 15, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m more interested in what he has done by the age of 23.
23 or younger, > 700 IP, >700 K’s, WHIP <= 9
Rk Player H/9 SO IP From To Age W L W-L% ERA+
1 Sam McDowell 6.79 865 799.2 1961 1966 18-23 43 37 .538 116
2 Clayton Kershaw 7.08 733 701.2 2008 2011 20-23 45 28 .616 134
3 Smoky Joe Wood 7.10 856 1145.1 1908 1913 18-23 92 48 .657 152
4 Bob Feller 7.14 1233 1448.1 1936 1941 17-22 107 54 .665 137
5 Walter Johnson 7.27 915 1355.1 1907 1911 19-23 82 78 .513 148
6 Dwight Gooden 7.37 1067 1172.2 1984 1988 19-23 91 35 .722 135
7 Frank Tanana 7.54 937 1082.0 1973 1977 19-23 66 49 .574 131
8 Fernando Valenzuela 7.62 824 1013.0 1980 1984 19-23 61 47 .565 117
9 Gary Nolan 7.65 727 980.2 1967 1971 19-23 61 42 .592 123
10 Christy Mathewson 7.71 864 1354.2 1901 1904 20-23 97 59 .622 139
11 Dennis Eckersley 7.73 705 901.2 1975 1978 20-23 60 40 .600 123
12 Catfish Hunter 7.81 703 1050.1 1965 1969 19-23 55 64 .462 94
13 Don Drysdale 8.04 822 1071.1 1956 1960 19-23 66 54 .550 128
14 Larry Dierker 8.05 874 1250.1 1964 1970 17-23 71 62 .534 108
15 Bert Blyleven 8.07 1094 1335.2 1970 1974 19-23 80 75 .516 134
16 Felix Hernandez 8.58 810 905.0 2005 2009 19-23 58 41 .586 125
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Generated 9/15/2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That is a surprisingly nice list. I would have expected more Larry Dierkers.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Gary Nolan = he was my casino host when I played and stayed at the Mirage in my mid to late twenties
good guy
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 15, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
DeJon Watson Interview
Brief interview with Watson on MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/gm-candidate-de-jon-watson-.html
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
so starters today(and possibly the series)?
Infield: Mitchell, Gordon, Sellers, Loney
Outfield: Gwynn, Kemp, Sands
Catching: FedEx
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 15, 2011 9:56 AM PDT reply actions
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