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Jamey Carroll & Exceeding Expectations

Jamey Carroll is having an odd season. At .288/.355/.344 for a middle infielder, he is having a fine year. But he has also struggled with runners in scoring position (.195/.344/.195), and could end up with the fewest single-season RBI in the 128-year history of the Dodgers.

Fewest RBI By A Dodger
Player Year RBI PA
Jamey Carroll 2011 13 477
Dave Roberts 2003 16 440
Tony Smith 1910 16 414
Ivy Olson 1918 17 553
Billy Maloney 1908 17 402
Brett Butler 1997 18 401
Al Burch 1908 18 500
Doc Casey 1907 19 596
Davey Lopes 1976 20 491
minimum 400 PA; source: Baseball-Reference.com

 

Carroll will go down as one of Ned Colletti's best moves. Two years and $3.85 million, plus incentives, before the 2010 season seemed like a lot for a 36-year old utility man, even though Carroll was reportedly offered more money from Oakland. But Carroll has earned every penny, and then some, hitting .289/.366/.342 as a Dodger with his best two seasons in both adjusted OPS and adjusted runs created.

Carroll has accumulated between 4.3 (FanGraphs) and 4.8 (Baseball-Reference) Wins Above Replacement during his tenure as a Dodger, which ranks second (FanGraphs) or third (Baseball-Reference) among position players on the club, depending on how Andre Ethier is valued.

Not bad for somebody I compared to Mark Loretta when Carroll was signed. Playoff game-winning hits aside, Loretta hit .232/.309/.276 as a Dodger in 2009.

Carroll has played mostly up the middle for the Dodgers, filling in at shortstop on several occasions for Rafael Furcal. In fact, since the beginning of last season, Carroll has played nearly as many innings at the position (1,078) as Furcal (1,096) with the Dodgers. Carroll has started 118 games at shortstop, 69 games at second base, eight games at third base, and even five in left field, though Carroll hasn't played the latter two positions this season.

Among Los Angeles Dodgers with at least 500 plate appearances, Carroll's .366 on-base percentage is the 15th highest.

Including bonuses, Carroll has earned $4.325 million in his two years as a Dodger, and will get $125,000 more if he collects another 23 plate appearances. He has been well worth it.

Now, the question is, will Carroll return for 2012? The Dodgers had chances to trade him at both the July 31 and August 31 trade deadlines, but chose not to do so because they like having him in the clubhouse, as both a player and mentor to Dee Gordon and Justin Sellers. Colletti has expressed a desire in recent days to bring back many of the pending free agents for next season. Will the 38-year old Carroll be among them.

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(reposting) Interesting piece from Jayson Stark on two teams that may be surprise big spenders this off season.

Including one we all know pretty well.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/rumblings110916/florida-marlins-los-angeles-dodgers-spend-big-offseason

It’s just based on hunches and he may very well be wrong, at least with the Dodgers, but makes some fair points at least.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Jon made the “buy a pony” pitch last year, too. And you could say that the Dodgers did, in fact, get us that pony. And now look at us. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who was the pony?

Seems like instead they got us a supermarket coin-op pony.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Theodore Roosevelt Lilly, the best* free agent pitcher out there.

*Non-Lee division.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

Re-signing your own free agent doesn’t count. The article is making the point of signing a marquee player on the open market.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, as marquee players go, Ted Lilly n’est pas Albert Pujols.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I honestly don't think they signed us any ponies last season.

Not that there were really any clear-cut prizes in the free agency pool anyway. Other than wanting (but knowing they wouldn’t come back to LA) Werth or Beltre. But I do see the case for — if McCourt is still owner, and especially if by some miracle he becomes solvent and is allowed to still own the team (or even if it’s officially out of his hands and MLB owns it while finding an owner) — I could see them doing as he says and wanting desperately to keep the fanbase from bolting. Whether that would result in a smart signing or a waste of money who knows.

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by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

which he will. I am sure.

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently I freaked out on a similar machine when I was two or three years old, and yelled “Somebody get me off of this duck!”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remembr that vividly

E was on a “Duck” outside a grocery store in Palm Springs" and wanted to go on it. Our aunt obliged and put the quarter in. After a few seconds of the duck bouncing back and forth, E yelled the now infamouse quote in the family lexicon “Get me off of this duck”. My kids don’t know E that well (much to my chagrin), but laugh every time I tell that story.

by Greg Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Get me off this duck is pretty fucking funny.

In fact, I think that every time a pitcher starts falling apart and the Dodgers fall behind, I’m gonna start shouting that.

GMOTD

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

GMOTD, without a doubt,

will be a prominent TBLA acronym in the future.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 16, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can’t wait for Aaron Miles to knock a 2B down onto him while breaking up a double play.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a quote from Goodfellas … almost. ;-)

by berkowit28 on Sep 16, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love the sponser

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Brad Pitt > Ryan Howard

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of seeing Moneyball today I think I will be going to see Drive.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Moneyball doesn’t open in theaters until next week.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

whats your point?!

his statement is still true! Damn you Humma!

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit! I thought it was opening today.

Now how can I spurn it if it isn’t there to be spurned? (Mostly kidding, I do want to see it. Just not as excited about it as I am for a couple of other films.)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

what does

arthouse action even mean?!

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

It means sex.

And if it doesn’t mean sex, then the marketers have never seen an arthouse film.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

but it must be in Swedish

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spain has given us many a film with naked lovelies including Penelope Cruz (not a 13 yr old boy)

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just remember

the horrible (but to a 13-year-old, extremely exciting) Swedish soft-porny “sex” films. Where there would be some ridiculous study going on and every once in awhile, you’d see a breast. We’d climb up a tree of friend who lived next to the local drive-in to watch them.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

or watch it scrambled on the Z channel.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Incomprehensible action. In black and white. And lots of smoking cigarettes.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably a cottage involved.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that the IMDB description or something?

It doesn’t mean much other than that it has “indie cred” for the director and the budget, did well at film festivals. But is still basically an action + suspense film.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

rottentomatoes "consensus" blurb
A hyper-stylized blend of striking imagery and violence, Drive represents a fully realized vision of arthouse action

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

heh. Sounds good anyway, even if "arthouse action" is pretty meaningless.

Maybe it just means “smarter and less glossy than Fast and the Furious”.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kenny Turan didn't like it

but he often pans movies with extreme violence

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I recently rented that based on the recommendation here. Good movie.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

it looks awesome

that blurb just seemed silly

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

arthouse action

The Thin Red Line?

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 16, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is the cutoff? Sunday at 09:55?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure. Honestly, I don’t even care if it comes in later, assuming its logged in before kickoff of the game you are picking.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure. Honestly, I don’t even care if it comes in later, assuming its logged in before kickoff of the game you are picking.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, waiting for any last minute developments :)

this week is harder than last week, probably between the Steelers and Jets for me

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 16, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like that everyone is picking the best teams early in the season.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its too early to pick bad teams imho

we still don’t really know much about these teams.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Colts look terrible, but the Browns surprised me by losing to the shitty Bengals. Two bad teams, a toss-up? I’d rather go with more known quantities early.

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 16, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Colts look terrible, but the Browns surprised me by losing to the shitty Bengals. Two bad teams, a toss-up? I’d rather go with more known quantities early.

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 16, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is the best

idea I’ve ever heard of.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I now have a new plan for my remains. :D

by EMDarrow on Sep 16, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

didn't Hunter S. Thompson

get his ashes shot out of a cannon?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he once tried to shove a cannon up someone’s ash

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Evel Knievel did too, but he was still alive.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

He knocked a cameraman’s eye out on one of his stunts. not cool.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that was the last time an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle was ever used in a stunt again.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I won’t make my ill-fated Billingsley-on-ice joke again.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

The more expensive alternative is blasting your remains into space!

by latenite on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

interstellar fish food

is a great name for a concept rock album

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

HITNG?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know where I got this from but

I heard some guy say that when he died he wanted to get dressed in a superman costume and thrown out of a plane. I chuckle when I think about it.

"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys

by funkyjam on Sep 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Personally, I want my body to be kept alive via machine for eternity.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I too have a desire similar to Irene Cara.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, what a feeling!

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric is totes gonna live forever.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

You want to open your shirt to a photographer and weep?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could end up here someday.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

eek. what the hell is that from?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last remaining pure human.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take

Things someone has never said to me for $200 Alex

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

You moisturize quite regularly, so there is no need for such a statement.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cassandra.

OK, it’s probably sad that I know that.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

lets has a sad party

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll deflate the balloons.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

She looks like

she’s the last remaining manta ray

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuk’d her

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

better than I thought too

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

c’mon. Men don’t like flat girls.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it worth it to take a weekend and go see a weekend of Arizona Fall League games?

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, big fun, no one and I mean no one is at the games, so you can talk to scouts a plenty.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can try to get a definitive answer on the difference between a javelina and a peccary.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could probably go up Thursday, catch the Thursday evening game, the Friday day game, Saturday night game and head home Sunday. Good little four-day weekend.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Silverwidow takes a day off for the draft, so probably yes. :)

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times has a detailed feature on Trayvon Robinson’s rise from South Central to MLB.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I lived in that area for three years

From the age 18 to the age 21, and used to play tennis at the courts parallel to the field mentioned in the article about the workouts that they are talking about. Baseball is not unpopular in that community.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sad story

over at LA Observed about Lewis Brown. He was considered a can’t-miss star when I was in high school

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

It is a map to the location of his hat.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

live is good

What was the Giambi quote?

ah, yes
“Party like a rock star, hammer like a porn star, rake like an all-star.”

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shave like Warren Brusstar?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

that works

“hammer like a porn star” is as ugly a phrase as I have ever heard

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hammer in the front

Hammer in the back too

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d hammer out danger. I’d hammer out a warning. And you can bet your ass I’d hammer out a love between my brothers and my sisters all over this land.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’d be 2 Legit. 2 Legit 2 Quit, even.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is my experience that regardless of legitimacy, quitting is always an option.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

To wit, in that selfsame album, Stanley espouses that the Addams Family does what they want to do and play how they want to play.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the original quote was more explicit.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 16, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spout nonsense like Ringo Starr?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

impeach presidents like Kenny Starr?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grab my crotch like Rosanne Barr?

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Write songs with Morrisey like Johnny Marr?

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you like a Cadillac car
Or a guest-shot on Jack Paar
How about a date with Hedy Lamarr?
You can get it (if you want it, babe).

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not many around these parts

probably know who Jack Paar was.

and that’s Headley

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Feed me, Seymour, feed me all night long

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, most of us didn’t go to grade school with him like you and Phil back in Bedrock

but we know who he is…

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

We used to do

the BedRock Twitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uE-0E_Hwqo

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

But do you do the Flintstone Flop?

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that’s Headley

Was totally gonna say this, so I guess I’ll settle for a rec instead :D

by EMDarrow on Sep 16, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ryan?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, Sons of Steve Garvey just retweeted this (from early 2010)
@SI_JonHeyman
kershaw may be regressing faster than billingsley. not sure. close competition. #howcanbradpennybebetterthanboth?
4 May 10

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, he said he wasn’t sure.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

weasel words

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure I would have slapped the back of Jon Heyman’s neck in Jr. high school and called him a nerd

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he meant that Kershaw was closer to his exponential (or, really, logistic) growth model than Billingsley was to his model. Regression just means proximity to the model, not just getting worse.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

#howcanjonheymanbesowrongsooften

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

#volume

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

And tape. Lots and lots of tape.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was during that 7 runs, 4 outs start against the Brewers.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I rec'd it anyway

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just because Greg deserves better and is treated like shit around here

I note that you did not indicated whether or that is rightful treatment.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

NPUT

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I dont see one

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hilarious. You posted Greg’s LAT’d comment, and then LAT’d yourself!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was worth it if you laughed but now I wonder how many have abandoned the thread thinking their is a NPUT even though they cannot find it?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed it but

it was really more “mildly clever” than full blown hilarious…right?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hilarious was a bit strong. That said, I wasn’t worried about it at the time, as I thought my assessment was about to be relegated to the dustbin of history in a dead thread. Now that it lives, I don’t know what to think.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

“It’s awesome, sir.”
“What, you mean like a hot dog?”

by StolenMonkey86 on Sep 16, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Pesci over here . . .

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t keep up!

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

it’s really slower than you think, you are probably lapping it and think you’re behind

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You leave Scarlett Johannsen out of this!

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just surprised that with Josie comparing Ms. J to a 13-year-old boy that no one has made a nolander joke.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that’s a callback.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been saving that in my hip pocket for just the right time.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

this has all happened before

and it will all happen again

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I googled that btw.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, Dee

Via his Twitter:

"@Suddenly_Doyers: @skinnyswag9 Wake and Rake???"yep yep!

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Great Stuff on Carroll

what the hell happened to Lopes in 1976?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

anyone else having problems with the comments not popping up? I have to refresh to see the new ones

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Pour Dr. Pepper over your computer.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's my work one

don’t think they’d appreciate me poisoning the network

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, try clearing your browser cache. It happens from time to time for me.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Know when to walk away, know when to run.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m in it strictly for the cache

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Straight cache, homey.

by EMDarrow on Sep 16, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Favorite boxer? Cacheious Clay.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Martina Navratilova, upon going through immigration back in the day, “do you cache Czechs here?”


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Breaking Necks and Cacheing Checks

by keithc13 on Sep 16, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello Eric.

Im here for a second. i vow to attend the game thread tonight.

Drunk, no less.

I’m getting my “Sorry” in now, before you ban me at 11:00 cdt!

by keithc13 on Sep 16, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

no problemo on meo endo

this has all happened before and will all happen again

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carroll will go down as one of Ned Colletti’s best moves.

Totally agree.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

88 Lines About 44 Women

All right, so fill me in – this was on the radio today and it’s the first I’ve ever heard of it. Is it generally considered good, funny, etc.?

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

boring

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a “song” where the dude has 88 lines about 44 women. :)

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMDcL0aiEk

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my, oh my, oh my

It is a good song. Like most good songs, listen to the lyrics, not just the beat

by Greg Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought of it more like novelty song than a pop song. I wonder if it would get a reaction at karaoke these days.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg, I think I would very much like to listen to your Itunes

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not as good as this from around the same time.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a good song in my opinion

Very unique.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am either listening to the

Dan Patrick show when I drive in or NPR/KPCC. So I miss a lot of pop culture and music news.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate to be the one to tell you, but I have bad news about Darth Vader: he’s Luke’s father.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 16, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

for now

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't believe him

It’s a trap!

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

When the film came out

Time magazine had a cover story and while I don’t think they revealed that fact, they did have stills including one of Yoda. One of my friends refused to read it, would change the channel if a trailer came on and forbid all talking about it. I did stand in line at the theater on the day it opened, you had to wait in two lines, one for the tickets and then one for show. We started the process at 3:00 to see the 10:00 show. And yes we cheered when the titles started scrolling on the screen.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I waited for 6 months before seeing it

But stood in line 4 hours on opening day of The Exorcist

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Armenian fashionistas are taking over the world.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the LA TIMES!!!
@Soyboquense
What the fuck is up with the cover of the LA Times?!?!? http://img.ly/8sfo

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Special advertising

About the 4th time they’ve sold that type. Sears must have paid a price for 4 pages worth.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember when they sold their soul to Universal Studios and everyone flipped their shit

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

but its not even an insert. its the REAL FRONT PAGE!! unbelievable.

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

They did the same thing

with Alice in Wonderland. Johnny Depp was leaping out of the front page

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t get too mad at the LAT, since they’re one of the few papers still sending reporters overseas and to Washington. But, they do stunts like this….

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds like a waste of money.

The Baltimore Sun closed down the overseas offices back in season 5 of the wire.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you don’t have reporters on the scene, you become the mouthpiece of the government, unless you’re a blogger and just run with your own personal theories

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

from your mother’s basement

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, the Washington Post can handle that stuff.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, for one, trust Rupert Murdoch to tell me everything I need to know.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

good citizen

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

On yesterday’s ESPN Baseball Today podcast, Keith Law was talking about his Moneyball review (he hated the movie), but also addressed Michael Lewis’s response, which was to say that, when Law was interviewed for the book he was particularly nasty toward scouts (when he was with Toronto).

Anyway, what ensued was Law explaining his change from stats-only to eventually embrace the role of scouts as well. I thought it was a fascinating discussion, and it’s the closest thing to Keith Law and humility that you will ever hear. :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m giving more weight to Jon Weisman’s Moneyball review than Keith Law’s.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Theoretically, what would it take for us to get Alex Gordon?

Guy on a Dodger’s message board says Silverio/Castellanos and Withrow/St Clair

I say Webster, Sands, and Tolleson at the very least.

@TElciram

by Taylor Maricle on Sep 16, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

they won't trade him

he’s finally starting to produce for them.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

Alex Gordon finally turns it around and begins to show signs that he is a MLB player on the rise, he is a second time arb-eligible with a starting point so low ($1.4M) that he will still be a bargain if he gets a 4-500% raise.

I can’t see any package of prospects on the Dodgers that I would take for him. Hitting is at a premium.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was eager to grab him last offseason – don’t know if he was really available or not, but I wanted him

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other teams tried, I heard KC said no.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they didn’t trade him last year, when he sucked, why would they trade him this year, when he is starting to not suck?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

because

we deserve better

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would not, any scenario suggesting such a deal is misguided and should be ignored.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

if this is the new standard, then about 95% of the content down here in the comments should be ignored

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

digital film at 11

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Including the comment to which I am replying.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

YCTPYDWFPYD

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want Webster Sands and Tolleson

come now humma, these aren’t nobodies. Its clearly nowhere near enough, but these aren’t the X Pauls of the world(yet)

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

They kind of are

Sands didn’t exactly perform, Tolleson is a reliever and Webster is probably rated the 4th best pitching prospect in the system.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Webster's a top 50 prospect, Sands was thought of highly going into this year, and Tolleson is POTY

And like i said, bare minimum. You’d still have to swap Zach Lee with Tolleson to have a somewhat-existent chance.

@TElciram

by Taylor Maricle on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last year we SHOULD have bought low

I’d have been ecstatic. This year he turned into a stud, would take something like Sands, Eo/Webster, lower prospect.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats different

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

what's

different, am I missing some context about Acuras?

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The woman in the Acura commercial from last year is a cunt.

Hence, Acura lady means cunt.

Cunt.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Things that have been said from inside an Acura. :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

what the hell is

meme, I swore I used to think that was a typo.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

similar to thread

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

meme |mēm|
noun Biology
an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, esp. imitation.
DERIVATIVES
memetic |mēˈmetik; mə-| adjective
ORIGIN 1970s: from Greek mimēma ‘that which is imitated,’ on the pattern of gene.

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take it to the dictionary meme

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scarjo would like an apology :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good utility for Dodgers in 2012

Nice piece about Carroll, and it does point up the dilemma of the Dodger roster as far as position players go next year. I think the performance of Jamey in the two years with the Dodgers has been great and also think Miles has been very good. In my mind it is a mistake to sign both. What I would like to see happen, especially if his neck proves healthy would be a 1 year incentive contract for Casey Blake, who can play 3rd and first and also has some pop. and keep Sellers.

I think the Stark piece is wishful thinking, given yesterday’s news and the snails pace of the Dodger bankruptcy, I fear we are screwed. As nice as it would be to sign Albert or Prince I think the long term cost will be too much. Better to spend any long term cash on Kemp or Kershaw and possibly Ethier.

Hence picking good utility players who have the chance of making an impact will be crucial to the Dodgers success in 2012.

by wineracquet on Sep 16, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Tribune Co. is soliciting MVP, Cy Young thoughts from sportswriters from across the country. now we can see which out-of-town writers to hate.

For example, Steve Gould from the Baltimore Sun.

Justin Verlander (no-hitter) edges CC Sabathia for the AL Cy Young Award. Your NL winner is Roy Halladay, and it’s not close.

Pretty sure Verlander isn’t “edging” anyone and that there are a couple of people close to Halladay this year.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Pretty sure Verlander isn’t "edging" anyone

Well, maybe Mrs. Verlander.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honing his craft

As it were

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But not hammering.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you have the credentials

and you have the numbers (and Halladay’s numbers are outstanding), it is not hard to believe that given all that and also, not many folks see Kershaw unless they watch Dodger games for Vin Scully, it is not hard to believe that Halladay will win almost unanimously by getting all the first place votes.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kershaw will win 21 games. That will change things.

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

21 wins for kershaw

I think he wins it because he could lead in triple crown. Roy Hal has fewer walks? Fine but kershaw has been in more games that the dodgers won than Roy and phils. kershaw pitches in pitchers park? Doesnt matter when you lead with strikeouts. Just my thoughts.

"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys

by funkyjam on Sep 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fine but kershaw has been in more games that the dodgers won than Roy and phils

The Phillies are 23-7 in Halladay’s starts. The Dodgers are 21-10 in Kershaw’s starts.

kershaw pitches in pitchers park? Doesnt matter when you lead with strikeouts.

Both Kershaw and Halladay have faced over 600 batters this season that they didn’t strikeout.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we all learned something today...

i do limited research and I’m no expert :)

"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys

by funkyjam on Sep 16, 2011 2:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually

Halladay’s team has won 23 times while losing 7 in his starts while the Dodgers are 20-10 in Clayton’s start.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's true but

the philies are 74-44 in games without Halladay, we haven’t win 74 games all around and if you take Kershaw starts the Dodgers are 53-66, if Kershaw was plaing with the Philies lineup, his team would have won a similar number if not more.

by XXDC2XX on Sep 16, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another thing to consider

Kershaw leads the league in wins, ERA, and strikeouts (the pitcher’s triple crown). Every pitcher who has won the pitching triple crown has won the Cy Young. By that measure, Halladay doesn’t stand a chance.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 16, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never thought CK had a chance. I obviously hope I’m wrong. I just figured that Roy Halladay is having such a damn good year plus he has the name recognition and the veteranny-goodness. Still don’t think CK wins it.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that Halladay wins, but I don’t think it will be unanimous or near-unanimous.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

But does Halliday

pass the Parra test?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but he passed the Cody Ransom test.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

how many pitches

does Doc want back?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Kershaw wins the triple crown, he wins the Cy Young easily, I think. If not, I think it will be a close vote that can go either way. But as of right now, Kershaw is the clear favorite.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 16, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason he has trouble with Ks vs San Diego. Hope that doesn’t happen again.

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two things I think right now

1) There is no clear favorite in the NL Cy Young Award right now. Kershaw, Halladay, and Lee are all really close
2) If there is a clear favorite right now, it’s not Kershaw.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lee seems to have fell off the pace ever so slightly.

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give up a run, get to the back of the line son!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

For instance

when Peavy won the Triple Crown in 2007 his “ERA” was a half run better than the next pitcher, Brandon Webb (they both had the same ERA+ since pitching in Petco and pitching in Chase are two different things). But that looked like a big difference.

Santana had 25+ more strikeouts and .4 runs lower ERA in 2006 than the next guys.

Kershaw is going to have an ERA win measured maybe by tenths if not hundredths of a run, he could win a game or two more but that probably won’t matter and you can balance his strikeouts against Halladay’s fantastic K/BB rate.

Fact is, 3 pitchers are having CYA years and you can make a strong case for all oft them.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m assuming this is a joke. Lee was masterful [again] last night.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He a) gave up a run and b) did not hit a batter.

Both disqualify him.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it safe to say

Tier 1 (no real order)
Halladay
Kershaw
Lee

Tier 2 (no order)
Lincecum
Kennedy
Hamels

Unless there are any crazy things like no hitters coming up any time soon or bombings.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He may win the Triple Crown

but it is going to be really close especially in ERA and if you are talking a win and some strikeouts, I just think it is not a slam dunk.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think that a triple crown is going to sway a lot of voters, even if the ERA race is close.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 16, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

In 1997

Roger Clemens, pitched for a last place Blue Jays team (76-86) and won the Triple Crown, he bested Randy Johnson by one strikeout, by one win and by a few tenths in ERA. Johnson came in second in the CYA to Clemens though the Mariners did win the AL West with AL MVP Ken Griffey, Jr. leading the way.

So there is that precedent, though one could argue that Hallday’s 2011 is better than Johnson’s 1997. Note that Clemens’ ERA was a shade over 2 that year.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welp. That’s two people for sure voting for Roy

by Julio Nievas on Sep 16, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought TJax was for sure voting Kershaw until that silly article the other day.

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He may not have a vote

generally one writer from each team city has one. But they don’t have more than one. I do know Keith Law has one.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arb eligibles

Per MLBTR, Hiroki Kuroda, Juan Rivera and Rod Barajas will both be Type B free agents this offseason (Barajas is 2 spots below type A), while Garland and Carroll have no draft picks attached.

Keeping with Colletti tradition, I think he only offers arb to Kuroda, if Kuroda doesn’t re-sign or retire before the deadline.

by StolenMonkey86 on Sep 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Per his contract, Kuroda cannot be offered arb.

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

with all this LoMo business

is it fathomable that he goes on the trade market and the Dodgers could snatch him up? LoMo/Sands at LF/1b with Gwynn as defensive replacement late in games would make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

by truemontenegro on Sep 16, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you willing to give up things you actually want?

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 16, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eo and Webster?

or are they not enough to headline a deal. Van Slyke?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do the Dodgers have anything that the Marlins would actually take?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It will just be a part of the larger Hanley trade. Xeifrank was just slightly off on his timing :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Morrison so persona non grata that he is must-trade? I think about Bradley for Gutierrez. Has Morrison fallen that low?

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t he filing a grievance against the team (or am I imagining things) ?

If so, he might be in “must-trade” territory.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they’ll have a new manager next year and can wipe the slate clean.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, he filed a grievance.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Long way to Bradley territory.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did file a grievance against them.

Maybe if they’re thinking about moving Hanley to another position you could deal Dee, Eo and…something still useful like Webster.

But if I’m Florida there’s nothing on the Dodgers I’d really want.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then again I said this about Rasmus and he got traded for Mark Rzepecysnkski.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 16, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haven’t we seen several teams take players in lopsided trades for MLBers tagged as must-trade? That’s why I ask. Yeah, there’s no straight-up trade that makes sense, but if the Marlins are like “Fuck this guy,” then I don’t care to make a prediction — anything is possible.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds like too much.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why, Logan Morrison has been a good major leaguer with a year of service time. We’re giving them projection and wishes for the most part.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because he’s a “head case.” And because Dee and Eo have been “good major leaguers” (albeit in less PT). And because Colby Rasmus was traded for a LOOGY.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

dee hasn't really been good

just not an abject failure

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dee is just now approaching replacement level for the season.

Eo would be a great “sell high” player (IMO)

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s complicated is that the Dodgers have only 3 SP for next year. If Kuroda doesn’t come back, they might be screwed. Having Eovaldi to pencil in to the fifth starter slot might be a comfort.

On the other hand, the offense is so shitty that getting Morrison for him is also a comfort.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are your thoughts on Guerra? Is he also a sell high candidate? Or is he something special that the Dodgers should hold on to?

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, I’d trade him for a player that plays a more valuable position.

I don’t see Guerra as having the same value as Eovaldi in a trade though.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rangers would trade their left and right nuts for Jansen, for Javy, they would offer their appendix.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

could you imagine

him tweeting about McCourt? oy vei.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who had absolutely no clue who "LoMo" was until I read through the comments?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

others of us, who lacked clue, just figured this was more TBLA noise and moved ahead via the Z to topics about boobs and nonsense

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shift-A is merciless

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

For Pete’s sake, I knew who he was talking about. And I know nothing about anything and baseball least of all.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Javy wants you! maybe.

“RT @JavyGuerra54: Tell me why you are a Dodger fan and I’ll pick 25 people to win a pair of tix to sat game.I’ll start picking at 430pt.”

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 16, 2011 1:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Dee Gordon up to .1 war

keep climbing!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

All he needs is one home run then it will open the floodgates and he’ll hit dozens!

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

and his babip is down to .315

man thats a quick plunge down from 350. SSS for the interesting

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He BABIPed a single yesterday, though.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is the kind of guy you would expect to do that alot though

.350 is more likely then .315 I would think with his speed, long term.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

As someone pointed out here, now that opponents are scouting him, defenses are playing much more shallow which is cutting off those JP slappy singles that Dee was getting for a while. He’ll need a little bit of power to keep defenses honest.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, Derek Jeter has a career .355 BABIP.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lucky with more than women.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has career BABIP with women is an even 1.000

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

“I’m the starting shortstop for the New York Yankees” is a pretty decent opening line.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you like a ride in my ferrari is a good 2nd line

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

would you like to fondle my rings is pretty much the sealer

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’d think that “I’m just gonna warn you, though, I can’t play defense” would quash the whole thing, but it turns out not to matter.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

brilliant

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Green

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is no antonio cromartie

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell, Shawn Kemp is no Antonio Cromartie.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just want to say

that it’s great to know I thee’s a place I can go to for a laugh when I need it.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if Hanley is available do you trade for him? Hard to find a player age 27 who has three years left a 46 who has seen his OPS fall over 100 points the last two years.
954
853
712

Now you might want to attribute 2011 struggles to injuries but he wasn’t hurt all year he just sucked all year. Throw in the mindset and the terrible defense, doesn’t he have an albatross of a contract that only a team who can take chances on big contract failures could gamble with?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

yankees will trade for him

giving up nothing. Rest of world weeps

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

2012 starting Yankees left fielder: Derek Jeter.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’d move Hanley to left. #2 is always handled with the kiddest of gloves.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, you hate Derek Jeter more than Phil hates Pat Burrell.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quite possibly. #2:Nolij::Paul Newman:Humma.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny huh, how someone can hate one of the five greatest SS to play the game while my hate is because he was a piece of shit for alot of money with a franchise who needed him to be what they paid for.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Top Five? Absolutely no way. He wasn’t one of the top three shortstops in his league at any point. Obviously, careerwise, he surpasses Tejada and Nomar, but sheesh.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

54th all time in war

wonder where he stands among short stops

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy Peasy

Rk Player WAR/pos PA From To OBP SLG OPS Pos Tm
1 Honus Wagner 116.5 9640 1901 1917 .392 .462 .853 *63/957481 PIT
2 Alex Rodriguez 105.0 10596 1994 2011 .386 .568 .954 *65/D SEA-TEX-NYY
3 Cal Ripken 89.9 12883 1981 2001 .340 .447 .788 *65/D BAL
4 Robin Yount 76.9 12249 1974 1993 .342 .430 .772 *68D/73 MIL
5 Arky Vaughan 75.6 7721 1932 1948 .406 .453 .859 *65/74 PIT-BRO
6 Derek Jeter 70.6 11113 1995 2011 .383 .449 .832 *6/D NYY

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/16/2011.

Have to throw out A Rod, Ripkin, and Yount based on the SS/3rd, and SS/CF.

Even his detractors acknowledge he’s been one of the best shortstops in the history of the game. Unless you go to Cal and took logic classes that are different then anyone else’s.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

hate and jealousy

has blinded even the best of men at times

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I acknowledge that he is a legitimate Hall of Famer. The fact that A-Rod was moved off of SS because of #2’s fragile ego is one of the reasons why I cannot stand the guy.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you know that for a fact?

I’ve heard A-Rod say he wanted to move to 3B

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wanted to leave Texas. He was willing to do just about anything.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

“I want to get out of Texas, and the Boston deal falling through was embarrassing. You can swing the deal but I have to play 3B? Fine, I wanna play 3B.”

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. It is easy to hate Jeter.

He is a no-doubt, slam-dunk HOFer. But for many/most/all Yankee fans, he is a saint, incapable of doing wrong. They cannot look at him for what he is; they also have to say, for example, that he plays GREAT defense when every objective measure says he does not. As Nolij points out, the best shortstop on the Yankees plays third base. His chase for 3,000 hits was national news — I mean, sure, it’s special, cover it, but come on.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

he’s in the Paul Newman category

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t put Derek Jeter in the same category as Paul Newman.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t put Derek Jeter in the same category as Paul Newman.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had nothing wrong with the coverage

not at all. He is one of the best players of all time playing in one of the biggest media markets. He is a star on the field and a celebrity off of it. What do people expect?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was happy that baseball was getting top billing. It kills me that it was because of him.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly find that very very sad

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

fWAR has him tied for 8th

In order:

Honus Wagner 149.8
A-Rod 112.6
Cal Ripken Jr. 99.7
George Davis 86.4
Luke Appling 84.7
Bill Dahlen 80.0
Joe Cronin 75.4
Arky Vaughan 74.3
Derek Jeter 74.3
Ernie Banks 74.1

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have to remember they are not taking out the games they did not play at SS.
Banks was a 1st baseman for a good part of his career,
Yount a CF
ARod a 3rd
Ripkin a 3rd

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just put it out there without thinking, I didn’t have some fancy table to cut and paste.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ripken was a SS for almost all of his career and absolutely rates as a better SS than #2. A-Rod should have been a SS his entire career. Yount and Banks make for relevant arguments.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

And: Jeter should not have been a shortstop for most of his career. Jeter should have moved when Rodriguez came in. Or maybe earlier. I dunno, I haven’t really thought about it.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad Vizquel learned how to hit later in his career. He was the best defensive shortstop I’ve ever seen, Ozzie included. Pure magic and ruled the infield.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Numbers would disagree

Vizquel rates well, but not even close to Ozzie. Definitely a defensive asset, but Ozzie has a career dWAR of 21.6, while Omar’s is only 13.4. Omar’s huge asset was the fact that he was amazingly sure-handed, but his range wasn’t actually all that great.

by EMDarrow on Sep 16, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard for me to work against would of / should have’s arguments. I deal with history.
Cal played 2300 games at SS
Cal played 675 games at 3d – which would be about four years worth, hardly most of his career.

At this point Arod is one 1/2 healthy seasons away from playing more games at 3rd then SS

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal definitely rates as a SS

Dude played 17 seasons at SS, through his prime and well beyond it. To compare him to Yount (who played nearly as much in the OF) or Ernie Banks (who actually played more at 1B) is a total disservice. A-Rod is in a similar position, even if unlike the other two he could have played there much longer.

by EMDarrow on Sep 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

interesting case

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

interesting head case

ftfy

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t be the first one we’ve had

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

And, hey, Mattingly and Lopes worked wonders on Kemp!

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder myself if having a teammate like Kemp might help Hanley

he’d no longer be the best player on the team, and Kemp’s had the same stigma Hanley has so maybe he’d reach out to him.

The whole thing is probably bupkiss, but like I said, just something I wonder.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus then he can go to Best Buy with Kemp and Dee.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

LoMo prefers Fry's

clearly this was the beginning of the end.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there is a big difference between Hanley’s behavior and Kemps. No teammate has ever called out Matt Kemp for lack of effort.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fact, it’s too much effort, vis-a-vis trash cans, that got Kemp in trouble.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

but all the “talking heads”, who should be taken with a grain of salt, say that something Hanley needs is more veteran teammates to show him how to play the right way, blah blah blah.

Can’t exactly call Kemp a “veteran” but the guy’s been around the Majors for a bit now.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey they had Mike Cameron!

I’m sure he was a great influince

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s be honest: Florida’s just a weird state.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil’s worries about Hanley’s production and cost are totally valid, but I would love to take a risk on a talent like that.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of would to. I may have to make it the key move of my October manifesto.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

now

would you want him at 3rd or SS?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like a 1st baseman to me:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here are some words, arranged in sentences

BillShaikin: This is the key to #Dodgers bankruptcy strategy: Get court to OK television money that Selig would not. Hearing set Oct. 12.

BillShaikin: #Dodgers suggest Fox, Time Warner, Charter, Dish Network, DirecTV all could be prospective bidders for cable rights or “Dodgers-branded RSN”

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

mark your calender

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

better get that tv money

so we can get that fielder dude

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

yo, new bitches take cache on hand

loney Frank needs the scratch to get his back scratched

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is from my years of experience in the field.

Actually, its from the once a year I try to watch sports from my father in law’s house who has Dish Network.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Renaming DS The Dish would hurt.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

the bigger worry, is say Time Warner could “win” the bidding war, and cable Dodger games could be exclusive to that cable system for some time

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'd do that

they’d just sell the channel to other providers. Like they’re doing with the Lakers.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

even MLB couldn’t sell their channel to Dish network

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB isn't Time Warner

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

the last time I speculated about business, Phil yelled at me, so I’ll stop here : )

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

might be for the best

how bout them soccer practicioners?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Galaxy are in two competitions right now, one just starting and the other about to end. I need a soccer vacation.

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

now that it’s a job………

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

it’s def a job to me now, the fun comes from those moments where you see something you’ve never seen before, but otherwise it’s a job

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

watch some rugby

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yelled seems like something my wife would say when I disagree with her in a tone that is condescending but never loud.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB network is on Dish finally. FINALLY!

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm already pissed at Time Warner

Who provides my internet access, but since I’m not also a TV subscriber, they don’t give me ESPN3 access.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is a limit to how much TV you need access to?

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to watch EuroBasket online.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have argentine basketball on directv. it sucks.

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The FIBA Americas tournament? Or a professional Argentine league?

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

pro league. Boca’s team is terrible.

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

check out the 10 year old kid in the background – he is mesmerized

thousands of chickens will be choked to the images burned into his brain this evening

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

And he doesn’t even have the kind of view we do.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get ESPN3 via Cox where I’m only a TV subscriber but not internet or phone.

by berkowit28 on Sep 16, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers are trying to create their own network. No way in hell they agree to a deal that limits them to a single cable system.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this a set date? Court to discuss opening up early bidding on the Television contract? Didn’t Fox say they would sue if such a thing happened?

Would really seem to be about Fox and Time Warner.

I would not be adverse to Time Warner being the Dodger Network of the future? Would they sell back some games to local TV or would non – cable be squeezed out?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

As I understand it the court set n omnibus set of dates for varies issues. The Dodgers were supposed to discuss the TV rights in the last two dates and they have pulled back. Fox has also said they will sue. Hence my guess is the Dodgers want to get any other issues sorted out before they touch the cable bidding.

by wineracquet on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Fox absolutely blows the Dodgers away with a deal in the 45-day exclusive negotiating window, there is no incentive for the Dodgers to do a deal, rather than simply wait until the 45-day period ends and they can have more bidders (if this plan gets approved by the court)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excuse my ignorance but are you saying that today starts the 45 day exclusive window?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

It would be after October 12, pending the court decision.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Shaikin
Dodgers ask bankruptcy court to approve cable rights sale: first, 45-day exclusive negotiations with Fox; if no deal, then an auction.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

seems reasonable

right?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

I would just expect that to end by going to auction, or the Dodgers getting a kick-ass deal from Fox. Either way, it’s good for the Dodgers.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

frank has some fucking smart lawyers

he would have never thought of all this on his own.

by delias man on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine part of Frank’s plan all along was to survive to the point of getting to the new television deal. He was betting that his day of reckoning wouldn’t have come this soon though.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe naming rights to the parking lot

would be worth some scratch

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by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

“The Eugenio Velez Parking Facility at Dodger Stadium”.

…Or did you mean corporate sponsorship?

by latenite on Sep 16, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

….brought to you by LandCo, a division of McCourtCo, a division of the Frank McCourt Company.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Landco

is soooo close to RonCo

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

or EdgeCom

……InterSlice…..

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And now the fun begins

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
This is the key to #Dodgers bankruptcy strategy: Get court to OK television money that Selig would not. Hearing set Oct. 12.
1 minute ago

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
#Dodgers ask bankruptcy court to approve cable rights sale: first, 45-day exclusive negotiations with Fox; if no deal, then an auction.
1 minute ago

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Josie stole your thunder.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW – "stole your thunder’ is a great phrase so I’m curious Josie, how did it originate you sleuther of all things worth sleuthering.?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle said it to Oklahoma City?

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hurried up because I knew you’d be on it.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's actually a fun story

back in the day, there were a bunch of different methods of replicating the sound of thunder in a play. One notable playwright came up with a new way to make thunder, but his play was soon shut down. Didn’t stop rival playwrights from stealing his method for making thunder sounds.

He later wrote: “They won’t let my play run, but they’ll steal my thunder”

and a phrase was born

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If this is not true it should be.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

the phrase is real, and it’s the earliest recording according to Oxford. How it became popularized is anyone’s guess

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prometheus = fire; Zeus/Thor = thunder.

by berkowit28 on Sep 16, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

well yes, but Zeus didn’t steal his own thunder, now did he?

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Natch

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t it a big shocking that Frank has not sold the naming rights given how he has tried every other possible revenue stream? I for one would rather he sell the nameing rights to the stadium then the billboard look that DS has these days.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

he scurred

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Metta World Scully?

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fans would revolt

That would end up being horrible press for him, that might actually be the worst thing he could do to the team going forward in the eye of the public.

IMO.

@TElciram

by Taylor Maricle on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Case you missed it, the fans already revolted.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Missed the rugby game last night

but we beat the russians! hell yeah!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

If I can change.......

and you can change………

EVERYBODY CAN CHANGE………

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he dies… He dies.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you would like Neil Rackers

kicks field goals and kickoffs, and is known for his tackling prowess on kickoffs.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sebastian Janikowski is a criminal. That almost makes him like a real football player.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exceptions to every rule

George Blanda was a real football player.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pat Studstill!


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Thorpe

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with kickers provided they played the down before the team decided to kick the ball.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relatively recently, Tom Tupa was a punter and a backup (third-string?) QB. I always thought that this was the best combo. Teams have to be wary at all times about a fake punt because, hey, that’s a QB back there and he can throw well, and you use one roster spots for two jobs.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats why they used to have the 2nd string QB

hold the ball on field goal attempts. Then Romo became the starter, found himself miffing the hold in the playoffs, and everything changed.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

getting a belly laugh from this

well done

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interviewing someone when they’re angry is great.

Always get a good quote.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

“Tommy, could you tell us your opinion of Kingman’s Performance tonight?”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

So rec’d.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Favorite by far
"Eric, you have powers as a blogger. Don’t you find it strange that you have not utilized them?"

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 16, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

23rd goddamitt

and not a spot closer

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well… I might actually enjoy that. It would mean he’d be an albatross on the Yankees for a long, long time.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The left side of that infield is going to be an albatross. Arod can’t even stay on the field anymore.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

McCourt

“…and now that we have a new television deal that settles all of the team’s legal, bankruptcy, and ownership issues, I am pleased to introduce to you our new shortstop….”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will not leave the Bronx. Nobody has ever cared more about appearances and his legacy than #2.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Can Believe He’s Not Concerned About His Legacy.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 16, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spraaaaaaayyyy

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

so if the Bankruptcy Court denies the request

McCourt is doomed?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

He will certainly need more revenue coming in somehow. I’m no lawyer, but maybe BH can help — if the court denies the request, they will surely set in place some sort of mechanism for money to satisfy the creditors, which could mean ordering him to sell the team, right?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the face ot

it, they don’t really have a reason to deny it. Bankruptcy Court has the power to end any existing contracts in order for the entity to reorganize and pay back their creditors

.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

right, i'm not saying they would

just wondering what happens if they do.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 16, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

dogs and cats living together

mass hysteria

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, McCourt is totally gonna dodge this bullet, isn’t he? The Court will order a new deal. McCourt will get a new deal with a big upfront payment that satisfies all the creditors and pays off Jamie (and a nice big payday for himself, too). He keeps the team. Selig stews.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

My magic 8-ball says “Fuck it”

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've expected this for awhile now

once MLB didn’t go for the kill when things went to bankruptcy, I realized there was a very good chance Frank was going to keep the team.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rest assured

this is no easy decision and in particular, the Court would be very interested in how this plays out regarding the Family Law issues.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

if MLB says that they get to approve any new media deal, the Court could very well listen. I don’t think Fox will have much leg to stand on since the rules clearly state that the Court can end any contract with really no recourse for the other party.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh… so the idea is that MLB would approve a new deal, but not one with enough cash to take care of Jamie? Meaning he’d be OK in bankruptcy, but screwed by the divorce court?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t get that at all from his comment.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

we already know that Jamie will listen if Frank throws 100 Million her way.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think thats going to be enough

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

or is it

how much debt are they in again?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The mutual agreement they announced in Aug provided MLB accepted the Fox deal had her getting a 100,000,000 buyout. I didn’t pull that number out of my ass.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s your pony.

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

An ass is not a pony.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

close enough

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is a really big number to have shoved up your ass so I am really glad to hear, for you and us, that it wasn’t there

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

was that the total value?

I thought that was just the upfront payment

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably right, I only deal with the headlines and leave the details behind.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then again part of me wants to see a trial where Frank goes back three decades to a company he created 30 years ago to prove why the Dodgers are his and not mutual property. That is some bold shit so if I’m Jamie I’d probably go all the way on this since the team could very well be worth a billion once the new TV deal is signed.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m reading a lot in, I know, but what else would MLB’s approval mean?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 16, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m starting to think the media’s “MLB seizes day-to-day operations of the Dodgers” may have been a bit premature.

MLB ousts McCourt, takes over Dodgers’ day-to-day operations. By Bob Nightengale, USA

by kinbote on Sep 16, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats to SVS and Tolleson for the awards

clearly my picks for them in the poll were the deciding factor

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 16, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Remove one obstacle from the Triple Crown per BaseballHQ
Johnny Cueto (RHP, CIN) was unable to finish the fourth inning of his Wednesday night start after straining strained right lat muscle. Cueto needed six more IP to be eligible for the NL ERA title, but he said Thursday that he didn’t expect to pitch again this season. Cueto owners expecting him to go against light-hitting HOU and PIT over these final two weeks will need to scramble for another game plan …

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

He had a good run.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m very excited for this fight.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won’t be excited until Mayweather grows a pair and fights Pacquiao.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both sides need to grow a pair.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

but needles are scary

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grantland had an article today that said the best thing for a Mayweather Pacquiao fight would be Mayweather losing to Ortiz in a close (and controversial) decision. Therefore, Mayweather would no longer be undefeated (which is what he considers his legacy) and he’d have to fight and beat Pacquaio to re-establish his ranking as an all-time great.

But yeah, Ortiz has no shot of winning this fight via decision (or really at all.)

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything about boxing

but isn’t Mayweather like 50? and the other guy 24? Bet on the kid

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

in boxing years

that’s like 1024, no?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Mayweather is way better.

I say this without having seen the other guy ever fight, but pretty much no one is giving the other guy a real chance at winning.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the type of boxer. Considering Mayweather is an elite defensive boxer who never gets punched, he’ll probably age well. But still, he hasn’t fought in over a year and he’s 34, so he might show up Saturday and we all realize that he’s aged since the last time we saw him fight.

by Michael White on Sep 16, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

against the LH Locke I’d like to see Kemp / Rivera / Mitchell / FedEx / Sands

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Fedex ain’t playing tonight per Donnie.

by silverwidow on Sep 16, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, just saying what I’d like to see.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

October 12 date

Fox has said in the past that they might sue or try to block the court from allowing the Dodgers to put out their cable rights to bid before October of next year. Fox had an exclusive as part of their contract. Can the court just void that contract?

by wineracquet on Sep 16, 2011 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

according to BH

yes

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bankruptcy Court powers
Executory contracts are contracts where obligations are yet to be performed by both parties. The bankruptcy code gives special treatment to unexpired leases and executory contracts by allowing the debtor, in many cases, to choose whether it wants to continue with the agreement (assume) or terminate the agreement (reject).

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get that but.....

So if Fox decides to challenge the Dodgers, the fight goes on in bankrupcy court and that is the final rulling?

by wineracquet on Sep 16, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean if Bankruptcy Court decides in favor of the auction

You can appeal, first to the Bankruptcy Court of Appeals and then I guess to the U.S. Supreme Court.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 16, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Mauer has “mild pneumonia.”

To me, “mild” pneumonia is pneumonia that someone else has.

/Vaudeville joke

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Gordon SS
Sellers 3B
Kemp CF
Rivera LF
Sands RF
Barajas C
Mitchell 1B
Carroll 2B
Kuroda P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

donnie has gone mad with power

I like it

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see him bat Billingsley leadoff.

by fbihop on Sep 16, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

BAD ASS LINEUP

11 – 2 Dodgers

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot that Loney might sit against lefties

when I predicted against the mitchel sellers gordon infield. Makes me look even wronger.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

wronglander flows

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking I’d like to go to this game and then I remembered I’m going to this game.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

niccccccce

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

In some sweet seats too. With food included.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 16, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

and a chauffeur:)

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 16, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

seems cold

I just took an afternoon nap on my office couch for an hour

wrapped myself up in an old sweater

was delicious

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the weather stays cool

i’m definitely baking this weekend

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 16, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

nom nom nom

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 16, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

if I didn’t have to work

I’d bake everyday

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 16, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, HJ, I found the card. Yes, it was Nero d’Avola (Ala Nero, 2009).

by berkowit28 on Sep 16, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the weather turns hot, so you’re baking in the heat, you’ll need to stay cool instead.

by berkowit28 on Sep 16, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

From kemp to mitchell

back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back HRs

by wukunlin on Sep 16, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pirates

Presley CF
Walker 2B
Doumit C
Lee 1B
Jones RF
Ludwick LF
Alvarez 3B
Cedeno SS
Locke P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 16, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

EW

this week features a fantastic interview with Brad Pitt. I don’t know if EW has always run these long, uncut interviews, but it was hilarious basically reading the transcript of Brad Pitt getting drunk with a reporter.

by Josie Becker on Sep 16, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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