Dodgers Friday Links: Dana Eveland, Casey Blake, Juan Uribe, $1.2 Billion
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:01 AM PDT
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Here are some Dodgers links to get your long weekend started off right...
- "I knew I needed to get it right, get back to where I was a couple of years ago," Dana Eveland told the Associated Press after his win over the Pirates on Thursday. "I won some games early for Toronto last year, so I knew I could still win. In fact, I know I’m better than I was last year."
- In addition to Casey Blake's season ending with neck surgery on Tuesday, Juan Uribe's left hip strain has been reclassified as a sports hernia, and he is likely out for the year as well. Uribe is getting a second opinion before scheduling the surgery, but is "on board with the plan," trainer Stan Conte told Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times. Uribe last played on July 23.
- The Dodgers are considering bringing back an annual old timer's game, wrote Roberto Baly of Vin Scully is my Homeboy.
- Bill Shaikin of the LA Times has details on the unsolicited $1.2 billion offer from Bill Burke to buy the Dodgers. "There are questions within the sports industry about whether this is a genuine offer," one industry consultant told Shaikin.
- Tony DeMarco at NBC Sports takes a national look at the possibility of Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw winning MVP and Cy Young respectively, and notes that all 27 instances of one team having winners of both awards have come from playoff teams.
- Eric Seidman at FanGraphs notes that Kershaw and Cliff Lee are having remarkably similar seasons.
- Jair Jurrjens was scheduled to pitch on Sunday for Atlanta, but an MRI Wednesday revealed a bone bruise in his knee. Jurrjens plans to travel to Vail, Colorado this weekend for a second opinion, wrote David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and it looks like 21-year old Randall Delgado will make his third major league start for the Braves in place of Jurrjens.
- Matthew Kaminski, aka @BravesOrganist, is taking suggestions via Twitter on what songs to play for Dodgers batters this weekend in Atlanta.
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about Uribe,
could he be put on the 60 day DL? If he was, does that time not count in the offseason?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
How soon can you place somebody on the 60 day DL? Rubby in particular.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe it is in February right before spring training starts.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks. Guess at that point it doesn’t really matter though. The roster crunch would be guys already on the 40 without options (Ellis, Elbert, Vector and Eveland.)
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Vector’s not even on the 40-man. Not that they couldn’t add him again this winter.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking he got added within the next few weeks. Otherwise, he’s a minor league free agent, correct?
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not worried either. Just trying to understand the timing of these things.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
so he probably won't be then
correct?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If they need the space, he almost certainly would be
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
thanks
one more spot for a youngin
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The time doesn’t carry over if that’s what you were asking.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that is what Einstein was asking
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp's music
You’re the Best, from the Karate Kid
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:10 AM PDT reply actions
I like
“Mamma said knock you out” for Matt Kemp
old school weak ass pop rap – but catchy and fun
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Also applies to some of his alleged charges, it works on so many levels.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
“The Power” by Snap!
Unless there is a song called “The Only Guy on the Damn Team that Can Hit Worth a Damn.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Cant hear that song without hearing it in Sandra Bernahrdt’s voice from Hudson Hawk
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
She sang “The Only Guy…”?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Yes. She held Danny Aiello in very high regard
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Just in case you think I only care about negative obscure records Bruce Chen is going for the coveted record of consecutive wins by a left handed Royals starter tonight.
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are you pulling your hair out
at his success as well? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m just hoping he gets extended before he’s Dodgers fifth starter Bruce Chen.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
for?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The season. But I’m being a bit facetious.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 2, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
we have won a bunch of our last bunch though!
any day is a good day to be a Dodgers, Eagles, Penguins, Clippers, Texas A&M fan! except when they lose
I was born the year Brett Favre started playing.... amazing
If you're a troll, bandwagoner, or NNAMDI iZ SO GREATZ-er fuck off or i will go apeshit on you
by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Tha
That’s what I mean by being a bit facetious. Been loving the last couple of weeks.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 2, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Miracles of modern medicine, where a left hip strain can become a hernia.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
haha
any day is a good day to be a Dodgers, Eagles, Penguins, Clippers, Texas A&M fan! except when they lose
I was born the year Brett Favre started playing.... amazing
If you're a troll, bandwagoner, or NNAMDI iZ SO GREATZ-er fuck off or i will go apeshit on you
by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
When it was first diagnosed, Mattingly kept referring to it as something in and around the abdominal area, too. This hasn’t been the best year for Stan Conte.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Is he more like…
the Doctor on the Simpsons or the guy on 30 Rock?
Discuss….
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Doctor Nick Riviera?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
or the dude who laugzhs inappropriately – I guess we have two docs on the simpsons
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Dr. Hibbert is the laughing one (also a good doctor)
Dr. Nick is the one who says, “HI EVERYBODY!!” and is also not a good doctor
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I enjoy the doctor from Arrested Development
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1227/arrested-development-looks-like-hes-dead
Possibly my favorite character, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Starting to think he's more like Dr. Spaceman on 30 Rock.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
if your finger bends at an 180 degree angle its probably a bad thing
therefore try to keep your digits in acute positions
any day is a good day to be a Dodgers, Eagles, Penguins, Clippers, Texas A&M fan! except when they lose
I was born the year Brett Favre started playing.... amazing
If you're a troll, bandwagoner, or NNAMDI iZ SO GREATZ-er fuck off or i will go apeshit on you
by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as he’s operating on the correct limb he’s not on the bottom.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
good no jair
any day is a good day to be a Dodgers, Eagles, Penguins, Clippers, Texas A&M fan! except when they lose
I was born the year Brett Favre started playing.... amazing
If you're a troll, bandwagoner, or NNAMDI iZ SO GREATZ-er fuck off or i will go apeshit on you
by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions
haven’t we hit him in the past?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
somewhat but id rather face a rookie than a good starter, wouldnt you?
any day is a good day to be a Dodgers, Eagles, Penguins, Clippers, Texas A&M fan! except when they lose
I was born the year Brett Favre started playing.... amazing
If you're a troll, bandwagoner, or NNAMDI iZ SO GREATZ-er fuck off or i will go apeshit on you
by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
knowing what rookies have done to the Dodgers this year
don’t know if it makes much of a difference.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
but I do see your point
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
that's true
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
i like the new Star Wars blu ray with no Jair Jair Binks, too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
every once in a while even a blind meercat finds a nut?
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Matt Kemp. I love Clayton Kershaw. I love the Dodgers.
I do not want Kemp to win the MVP or Kershaw to win the Cy Young. While either would be great for them personally, either would increase their ability to demand more money, something the Dodgers obviously are running short of.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
Fan Dissonance!
at least you are not rooting for losses to improve draft position
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed, but dissonance all the same
I want the best for everybody, but the best for everybody can’t be the best for everybody, so I want this instead
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I did let all y’all talk me out of betting the under when I was in Vegas before the season when the line was at 84.5 wins.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
We’re going to end up saving you money.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
It would not matter much in Kemp’s case. He will likely get over $15 million with or without the MVP. A Cy Young award will likely affect Kershaw’s arb though.
I honestly think awards matter for long term extensions. Does Howard get his deal without his MVPness?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because the Phillies fell in love with him and paid above market price for him.
No way he gets anywhere near that contract on the free agent market, especially when Pujols and Fielder out there.
I don’t think his contract would have been as large had the Phillies won their original arb case against him. That inflated his arb years and upped the price on the extension.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
First one
He got $10 million as a Super Two in 2008, when the Phillies’ price of $7 million would have also been a service time record. It was pathetic that they didn’t win that case.
That first arb year salary artificially inflated his remaining arb years.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t shock me. I expect a multi-year deal between Lincecum and the Giants.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t that more of a mistake by the Phillies rather than a given that his MVP won him the higher amount? Like you said, if the Phillies came with a better arb offer, then Howard would have made less money.
Like you said, if the Phillies came with a better arb offer, then Howard would have made less mone
That is not what I said. The Phillies’ offer of $7 million was a service time record. There is no way they should have lost that arb case. That they did lose the case reflects poorly on them for not preparing well for the arb hearing.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
they didn't have
Kim “arb case win”ng
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the issue was that it was less than what Miguel Cabrera got ($7.4 million) during similar service time, and that was the major reason why the Phillies lost.
That the Phillies couldn’t argue Ryan Howard is worse than Miguel Cabrera is why it’s so bad.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, Cabrera wasn’t a super two. He got his $7.4 million with three full years of service time.
Howard didn’t have three full years of service time.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
They both are going to get paid in the near future (and deserve to be)
whether they have a trophy on the mantle or not . The money must be (and I think will be) to keep them on the Dodgers for a long long time. Even if it is Yen.
"Pitching is the art of instilling fear."
by MammothDodger on Sep 2, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles music
Doctor My Eyes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
I thought it was
“I can see clearly now”
and the other blind guy is Doctor my eyes
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
He could go with “I Can See For Miles.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t that be for Jay Gibbons?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
he's not playing
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Fallout from three days rest and staying in too long Sunday? Jered Weaver was scratched from his start tonight.
le gasp!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be
Just going off a vague tweet from an Angels PR guy with no other information.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s gonna be the new Tony LaRussa once LaRussa goes away.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
i am willing to bet that TLR is still managing
when Mike falls over from his massive heart attack that seems inevitable.
I read that as Mike White for some reason and thought, “he looked OK during softball.”
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
He played defense like he just had heart surgery. Young guy like that playing catcher while the OF was like swiss cheese SMH
I was also 4 for 4 from the plate. Can you say the same?
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers can free up anywhere from 10-11 to 16 spots on their roster this
off-season. (yes, they could do even more if they shed some salary).
Aramis Ramirez is reportedly looking for a multiyear deal
thoughts from the crowd?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
I wish him well in his endeavors, and will enjoy watching him play as a visitor at Dodger Stadium.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly the type of free agent that has historically burned the Dodgers.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Such as?
Does not appear to be Jason Schmidt, nor Andruw Jones, nor Juan Uribe, nor Juan Pierre
I’m curious who you think he resembles that has burned the Dodgers in the past.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
You are really going to compare Bill Mueller to Aramis Ramirez? He signed a one year deal with us for 4.5 Million
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Casey Blake kicked a ton of ass though.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Non-elite guy who is going to get big money. I’d certainly put Pierre, Uribe and Schmidt in that category.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Non Elite is interesting, how many NL 3rd baseman do you think have been better then Aramis over the last five years?
Let me help you out:
Rk Player OPS+ G From To Age PA BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Chipper Jones 143 601 2007 2011 35-39 2521 .305 .406 .509 .915 *5/D6
2 David Wright 136 697 2007 2011 24-28 3069 .300 .385 .503 .888 *5/D6
3 Pablo Sandoval 123 439 2008 2011 21-24 1786 .304 .353 .488 .841 *5/32D
4 Aramis Ramirez 122 616 2007 2011 29-33 2596 .291 .355 .511 .866 *5/D
5 Ryan Zimmerman 122 644 2007 2011 22-26 2818 .287 .355 .483 .838 *5/D
6 Troy Glaus 112 293 2008 2010 31-33 1152 .255 .357 .442 .798 *53/D
7 Ty Wigginton 110 271 2007 2011 29-33 1002 .271 .337 .477 .813 *5/739
8 Casey Blake 108 406 2008 2011 34-37 1608 .260 .338 .431 .768 *5/374
9 Mark Reynolds 108 563 2007 2010 23-26 2285 .242 .334 .483 .817 *5/349
10 Chase Headley 106 523 2007 2011 23-27 2097 .269 .344 .393 .737 *57/D3
11 Casey McGehee 104 415 2008 2011 25-28 1619 .272 .326 .434 .760 *5/43D9
12 Scott Rolen 104 350 2007 2011 32-36 1409 .268 .335 .435 .770 *5
13 Kevin Kouzmanoff 102 447 2007 2011 25-29 1805 .263 .310 .434 .745 *5
14 Edwin Encarnacion 102 328 2007 2009 24-26 1303 .262 .346 .443 .789 *5
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/2/2011.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I consider Ryan Zimmerman an elite 3rd baseman.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Hell you can make that way more relevant, do the last two years and he’s still 7th.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
And that’s in all of baseball.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If we’re dealing in FA, why limit it to NL? He’s older and will likely decline. Has had shoulder issues as well.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course he will decline, I just don’t see any parallel between signing Aaramis then anyone else we have ever signed. He’s a power hitting infielder who is light years better then Juan Uribe who is the only other comparable player.
I’m not saying we should sign him, I just don’t agree with your comment
Exactly the type of free agent that has historically burned the Dodgers.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I think that typically, the type of free agent that burns the Dodgers is ones that are free agents.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
are you in the camp who thought the Brown / Drew /Lowe / Kent deals were bad deals?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
The Braves organist should play
either Pink Floyd’s “Money” or “Money (That’s What I Want)” as the Dodgers take the field.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Oooh
Or he could be very devilish and, in a nod to the song the Dodgers play when they win, he could play Randy Newman’s “Little Criminals.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Clayton Kershaw could get serenaded with
“It’s Lonely at the Top.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t. I would love one. Thank you.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
hey Humma, watched The Sting last night
so much fun.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Was that your first time?
Isn’t it great?
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That movie is great if you can accept all of the eye-rolling Mametisms.
My favorite: “Ohhhhhh, you’re a bad pony, and I’m not gonna bet on you.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that if you go to the Dodger Thoughts thread in which I have my Paul Newman rant, I tell the story that William Goldman tells about David Mamet’s script for The Verdict.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Mamet is fucking briliant, but I like his plays better than his movies. Also his daughter plays a lesbo on Mad Men
by Josie Becker on Sep 2, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
As a playright, Stoppard’s my guy. Arcadia is beyond genius. For Mamet, I’m Glengarry all the way (in my personal top five movies—maybe best cast ever).
oh I agree
Mamet’s All in the Timing made me want to write plays, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead made me want to write good ones
by Josie Becker on Sep 2, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Shakespeare, once I really started to read it, made me never want to write again
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I love it
but I like The Spanish Prisoner even more.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
That’s the one I was trying to think of! Steve Martin!
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 2, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing no sympathy for Joe at the end?
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 2, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, great movie
kinda guessed at one of the twists, but that’s only because I’ve seen similar set-ups in other movies that probably ripped The Sting off. It was still fun seeing everything come together.
Almost the whole movie, I just kept thinking “Hook, Line, and Sinker.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh, they could play “Ridin’ Dirty.”
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Trayvon Robinson
Last 6 games:
21 PA, 1 H (1B), 2 BB, 12 K
why are we listing the stats
of Mariners?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Neds a genius! Ned’s an idiot! Genius! Idiot! It’s like living life on a rollercoaster.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Duck Season! Fire!
(Bang!)
You’re despicable.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh no you don't! Not this time.
This time, wait ’til we get home (to off season).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I actually am curious if Tray can lead baseball in strike outs this year.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s no way he can, Drew Stubbs of all people has a pretty good lea
Unofficially:
Drew Stubbs 180
Jai Miller: 173
Alex Liddi: 167
Ryan Strieby: 165
Mark Reynolds: 164
Jorge Vazquez: 162
Tray: 159
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
what is your opinion
of Drew Stubbs?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
He needs to add discipline or power or he’ll be done soon.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
well he's got power
when he makes contact…….
get the discipline aspect though.
He’s what I’m wondering Kyle Russell might be like in the bigs, just not as fast.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Russell has more power, Stubbs is ISOing .130. If he didn’t have an inflated BABIP he’d be hitting something like .225/.295/.355 which won’t play.
To be a big league hitter you need to either not strike out or hit dingers. Stubbs doesn’t do enough of that.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
DINGERS!!
(not the dinosaur)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Still has a chance
to be the best Stubbs ever
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Needs a ring in a box.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Odds are almost always in favor
in the minor leaguer not playing well.
In that deal, it was a no-brainer for two teams and a head-scratcher for one. I said something around the time of the trade that what if selling high on Robinson was at best going to get you what you got back. Is that better than going to Xavier Paul, Delwyn Young route?
Who is to say.
Right now, Robinson is strking out at just above a 40% clip, he has one true outcome out of three. But it is early.
I believe that the going rate for both on the free agent market is, roughly, one million dollars. When you look at it that way, they are a wash.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
4th OF
barely. Like maybe by .5 WAR
Xavier Paul has played in over 100 games (some as PH) and has a WAR of-0.3 (Baseball Ref) which is the same as Dionner Navarro (who did make a little more than twice as much money as Paul)
For me, WAR is still directional
when we get into fragments of a win, it loses some of its trust
I think the answer to the question of which is more valuable depends on who is playing in front of them
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
What if the backup catcher is starting 120 games and the 4th outfielder is starting 120 games?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Last year
10 catchers played more than 120 games.
Tony Gwynn has played 121 games this year for the Dodgers with a WAR of 1.4
that 121 games for Gwynn is misleading
since it includes a bunch of late inning defensive replacement games.
Ah gotcha, I missed the connection to Phil’s earlier point.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I was actually going to bring up the whole
is defensive given too much weight in WAR because if it isn’t Gwynn could seemingly put up almost 3 war if he starts 162 games against right handers, and would make a great right hand part of a platoon.
“Jim Morrison is a drunken buffoon posing as a poet. Give me the Guess Who. They have the courage to be drunken buffoons, which makes them poetic.”
pssh
Jim could totally out drink the Guess Who. All of them, put together
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
but the best one Josie
the best one
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Jim Morrison
didn’t die soon enough
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
He and Janice probably died right on time to keep from hitting the downside given where music was headed after they died, but I’d liked for Hendrix to live a bit longer.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I think he career arc would have taken him back to roots and blues
he wouldn’t be top 40, but I don’t know that he would suck
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve seen Jon Densmore twice in the last couple years
Once he was leading a Reggae band
The other time he was making a guest appearance as the bongo player for Eddie Vedder.
Morrison would be doing something really similar.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I can live without hearing Jimi’s 80’s equivalent of “Got My Mind Set on You.”
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Burton Cummings and lads wrote some great pop songs in their day that I’ll sing forever but only Jim Morrison wrote “brain squirming like a toad, if ya give this man a ride, sweet family will die”
I don’t see how Jim Morrison was not a poet of his time. Tread lightly here, professor.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
But that's horrible writing
how does a brain squirm like a toad? His lyrics are comically bad.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
5 to 1, 1 in 5
no one here
gets out alive
they got the guns
we got the numbers
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
How does Keith Law rate Eovaldi?
I can’t read this Insider piece…
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Solid fourth starter, needs to get better, etc etc.
cal. lakers. dodgers. packers. chelsea.
vols. rangers. galaxy.
4th starter at best vs. solid 4th starter ;-)
Anyway, if he does end up a solid 4th starter I’d actually be okay with that. I imagine his upside is slightly better than that though imho. But talking 3rd starter here vs 4th starter.
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Without copying material... both.
He sees the ability to be a solid fourth starter.
cal. lakers. dodgers. packers. chelsea.
vols. rangers. galaxy.
a solid 4th starter from an 11th round pick is GREAT value
a solid 4th starter can have a career longer than 5 or 6 if he maintains the drop off
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much a lock that fastball velocity will go down as he ages.
What age does that top out at? 20-21?
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless you’re Brett Tomko
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Sep 2, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like a dick...
…but I find myself wanting the Dodgers to lost to hang onto their protected Top 10 pick for next year. I’m worried they’ll sign some overrated Type A and lose the pick if they get out of the bottom 10. Damn them playing well so late in the season!
If the Dodgers play no worst than 5-5
for the rest of this trip, I don’t think they can finish worst than 13th (of the worst records). If they better and some how get closer to .500, it is possible they will be fighting for that 14th-16th spot.
Exactly. Winning is more fun that signing draft picks.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
In 2005 We Won 71 Games
How many more wins that year would have made it worth it to not have Kershaw now?
by CanuckDodger on Sep 2, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
speaking as someone who lives here and regularly goes to games
I say win now and worry about the draft pick later.
This Is Why Sabermetricians Have Been Said To Dream Of Baseball Games Played In Stadiums With No Fans:)
by CanuckDodger on Sep 2, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
not a surprise
Moneyball was made famous with the A’s
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
wear a cup
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In that case should they actively try to lose as many games as possible for the remote chance of drafting the next Clayton Kershaw?
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If Kershaw had gone to Detroit and we have to overdraft Bryan Morris or take Kyle Drabek (who blows chunks), man…
Agree 100%
But it sure is fun! Imagine if the Mariners took Dreifort? We could have watched A-Rod leave/get traded
No
But my mentality is in “what can be” mode right now, not “what is” because “what is” sucks (if that makes sense).
If we end up losing a draft pick you should be overjoyed we could actually afford a type A free agent.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point...
…but this is Colletti, so that would mean a Type A relief pitcher. Jonathan Papelbon here we come.
He’s never once signed a Type A reliever.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve seen too many people be serious about that :)
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
The Players Have Have No Advantage In How The Team Drafts...
… and it is to their advantage to try to do the best they can. But we’re fans and and it is in our province to ask questions like what is in the best interest of the team. In a season already lost, losing a few more games may pay dividends in the long run.
by CanuckDodger on Sep 2, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
call me a romantic, but I don’t roll that way
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
if they do they do
i can’t get myself to be happy watching them lose
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I go through this basic question pretty much every year with the clippers. I get the logic of tanking, but as somebody who watches every game I can’t endorse it. I can’t watch my team and hope they lose. There’s no point. If I were going to advocate tanking, I would basically stop watching the games altogether and show back up in the off-season.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I always remember a guy I worked with
was a big Boston and he was so excited when the Celtics probably had their worst year ever in the year Duncan was going to be drafted. The Cetlics had two potential chances to get that number one pick and instead ended up with the worst case scenario of the 3rd and 6th pick.
And they drafted
Chauncey and Ron Mercer. Ouch. Ouside of Timmy, that was a TERRIBLE draft class.
Point well taken.
If by solid you mean having one of the best seasons in NBA history, yes he was solid.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That draft class had exactly three players who made All-Star teams (Duncan, Billups, McGrady).
Basically, the best power forward of all time, a very good point guard and a guy who never lived up to his potential. Then players like Keith Van Horn (second!), Tim Thomas and, of course, the immortal Tariq Abdul-Wahad.
McGrady put up 9 seasons in a row with a PER of 20 or better. Including his crazy 02-03 with a PER of 30.3(!)
I think if you put McGrady in WAR terms he’d come out just fine.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
The whole never-winning-a-playoff-series thing is huge in the NBA. A lot more that one player can do to win a game or series in basketball than pretty much any other team sport.
I can explain away him not winning a series in 03. Other than him that team was terrible (the next best player who played meaningful minutes was a 34 year old Darrell Armstrong) yet TMac still brought that to a 7 game series.
I’m completely stunned that McGrady couldn’t win more in Houston when joining up with Yao (two players I really liked.) That’s tougher to explain away.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
They were healthy together in the playoffs twice, in 2005 and 2007
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I should have said...
…absolutely dominant for a handful of years and injured for the rest of them. My apologies
And Chauncey may have busted with the Celts but damn good player.
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Yeah indeed...
…I think I read it had to do with his attitude more than anything (as to why teams gave up on him so quickly). Larry Brown and his “team first” approach seemed to have helped him settle down and become a very good PG.
If Detroit had drafted Wade instead of Darko, Larry Brown would have buried Wade and possibly killed his career too. The man hates rookies.
FTR, I’m not blaming Brown for Darko (Darko clearly sucks) but more suggesting Wade would have rode the bench at the same time he was taking Miami to championships.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m referring to his 02-03 season (he was still only 23 at the time) but really he had excellent seasons from Age 21-25.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, you're 100% right...
…youngest player to win the scoring title at the time since the merger if I recall. I understated his accomplishments. I wasn’t being a dick about it or anything
No worries. Didn’t think you were being a dick at all. I’m an known McGrady honk so I bring up that 02-03 season any chance I get.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Kansas City
could have won 10 more games that year and still pick Luke Hochevar.
And as Clipper fans know, getting a high draft pick is truly only worth it when you hit the lottery with a Blake Griffin instead of Micheal O.
The 2011 Dodgers have been a .500 team masquerading as a .460 team for a lot of the year. Those crazy bullpen losses screwed up the run differential until recently but this was a team that if it scored 4 or more runs a game, it would probably win more than it lost. This what it has been doing for about 6 weeks now.
If it carries that out for the rest of the season, they could hit 80-83 wins.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 2, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with each word, thought, and punctuation
by Hollywood Joe on Sep 2, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I do, too. I will add a thought of my own.
I endorsed the team that Colletti built this year — I said I thought he did about as good a job as anybody could given the holes he had to fill. But you all know that I do advocate building a bad team that will enable the team to field a better team at some point in the future. How do I reconcile that?
While I can’t advocate the team losing tonight’s game in order to have a better shot at a better pick, I do have some sympathy for the larger point. There is a way of looking at it that says that this 80-83 win team is the worst team Colletti could have built, because it traps them in 80-83 win purgatory. They have no money for a better Free Agent to lead them to the promised land, but they have enough money and talent to stay at this level for another year (or maybe more). Faced with the choice between a #17 pick and a good-not-great 3B, well, the 3B looks pretty attractive.
So no, I don’t advocate tanking —or rooting for losses of any particular game. But if the larger question is, “This team is mediocre; how are they gonna get better?” well, I have a lot of sympathy for that question.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t want to be the Astros of 2007-2011. A team that for years will stay around .500, never getting better, slowly getting worse and knowing for years that they have to rebuild and not doing it.
Unless you’re the Red Sox or Yankees, you have to suck before you can get better.
What was the last team that their players for prospects and actually had that lead to sustained success? The Rays didn’t have anyone to actually sell.
The competition cycle is a myth since no one is willing to trade a prospect that’s actually worth a damn.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Other than the Teixiera trade what did they do.
Even then all they got from that was Andrus and a rapidly declining Feliz.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Harrison is a starter, albeit not a good one
Whatever they got for Salty
So yeah, a full time SS and a closer.
I think they’d rather have Adrian:)
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Forgot Harrison was still alive, he’s been decent but lucky this year.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Drafted guys like Justin Smoak to trade for guys like Cliff Lee, but that kinda defeats my argument so I won’t mention him, other to say that losing allows you to draft for better players which allow you to trade them for better players once you actually don’t suck.
So yeah, its complicated.
Only if you draft well, so what you are asking is for a GM who can build a losing team, draft well, then build a winning team. Not easily done.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
But it has been done. And this team is going to have to do it eventually unless they can sign Kemp and Kershaw and anyone else good to long term deals or develop new players really, really fast.
You can either rebuild or trade Kemp and Kershaw you can’t do both. Nothing we could get in return for any of our players is gonna make much of a difference.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ve made this argument before, and it’s a good one. However, does that mean that the entire idea of a success cycle is a myth? Don’t the Dodgers have to get bad — i.e. have access to better draft picks, and then develop that talent — before they can get good again?
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless you tank into the top five draft picks I don’t really think it matters where you draft in the first round. Let me see if I can find something to back that up.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that. Rany Jazayerli said as much.
But I guess that’s what I’m saying: you need that kind of talent. How do you get that kind of talent? Getting bad.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
2012 Dodger General Manager
Walter White
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like you’re just as likely to pick a great player at 27 as at 7 though. And if you get so bad that you can get Bryce Harper, Bryce Harper alone isn’t gonna save you.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
No, name me multiple teams who have followed that path. Bet it is less then the hands on your fingers if we go back 6 – 8 years.
Rays Giants, and ………………..
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Brewers?
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You’d have to go back to 2003/2004 for back to back bad seasons. I think that works they did a great job in drafting Fielder / Braun / Weeks / but man Fielder was 2002 and Weeks 2003 so it has been eight years in building this team to be at a World Series level.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I think the ultimate team for this is the 2003 Marlins. They were horrible before 2003 for several years, and were horrible after 2003.
Sure but even then here’s the parts of the team that actually came from them being bad
Derrek Lee (received for Kevin Brown)
Brad Penny (recieved for Matt Mantei)
Dontrelle Willis (received for Matt Clement and Antonio Alfonseca)
Josh Beckett (number two pick)
Ugueth Urbine (recieved for number one pick Adrian Gonzalez)
And since then they tore the team down and they blow.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus different era. There’s no way you could get the number five prospect in baseball for Matt Mantei today. Hell Derrek Lee was higher rated better than anything that was traded for Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee the first two times.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless you’re the Red Sox or Yankees, you have to suck before you can get better.
I hear people say this alot, not sure if it true. What I’ve seen is that if you suck you usually suck for a long time. Royals, Pirates, Orioles jump right to mind. It is not the record it is management that will eventually determine success unless as you said you simply can throw good money after bad money time after time.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
considering the finacial situation
we might not even be able to sign a high rated guy in the draft anyway.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I would concede that...
…if the MLB was still running the finances due to their shunning of paying over slot, but even through this whole mess, they have shown the tendency to pay over slot, for what that’s worth. Who knows, at this rate MLB could take over again next year.
I would tend to agree with Tripon on this just strictly on the comedy factor.
If there are any fellow UFC fans… The first UFC on Fox show will be Cain Velasquez defending the heavyweight title against Junior Dos Santos on Nov. 12. The only fight that will be on Fox, if it goes short, they will show fights from earlier in the night or highlights from earlier in the night.
Not clear what the undercard will look like or where people will be able to see it.
Sweet, that’s official? Was figuring we’d get something way less relevant like Franklin-Tito.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup. Should be a good one. Probably the top-two strikers int he heavyweight division. Velasquez has a good wrestling track record, though not top-tier in MMA (two-time All American).
Dos Santos is the bigger guy but Velasquez was able to stand toe-to-toe with Cheick Kongo for three rounds and Kongo has heavy hands.
Still kind of wish it could have somehow been Dan Henderson vs. Anderson Silva II, though.
Hell probably the top two guys. Every single time JDS fights I think someone is gonna expose is wrestling but so far no one has. Cain is a huge step up in that department thought.
I think Hendo should be done at middleweight since he looked pretty bad against Shields.
At light heavy it could be fun but meaningless.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Hendo could cut to middleweight but, as you said, he looked really bad against Shields. Good first round, then atrocious the rest of the way. Even though he walks into the ring giving up 20 lbs to his opponents at light heavyweight, he still can get it done.
Then again, he’s my favorite fighter of all time so it is hard for me to step back and be objective about him.
He’s looked great at light heavy. I’d have him fight Shogun which seems totally winnable then give him a title shot.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Shogun looked great his last fight
i hope he stays consistent. He goes good fight/bad fight sometimes it seems
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure who is scheduled to fight at LH right now, but I think Henderson against Shogun or Machida would be a good fight for Henderson for his first fight back in the UFC.
But knowing Dana White, it would be Tito Ortiz vs. Dan Henderson. They’ve never fought (had no idea Tito basically only fought in UFC his whole career) and it would be a huge co-main event for a PPV.
I think they do know Hendo is 41 and they can’t dick around with him. I don’t think Shogun/Hendo has fought and that would be an amazing co-main or a headliner on a down card.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Rampage and Jon Jones
is the upcoming Title fight
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know the title pictures (Rampage-Jones winner faces Rashad Evans) but that’s it. Taking a look at the rest of Sherdog’s top-ten for LH, Shogun just destroyed the overrated Forrest Griffin, Machida is in limbo, Phil Davis is hurt, Forrest Griffin is horrible, Nogueira is hurt, Henderson needs a fight and… its pretty weak after that. Rich Franklin, Alexander Gustafsson and a bunch of Strikeforce guys.
Only ones that make sense are Henderson fighting for a “unification” fight against winner of Rampage/Jones-Evans or someone from the old guard like Nogueira or Tito. Can’t see Dana putting Phil Davis at risk. And I really don’t need to see Forrest Griffin get knocked silly again.
Machida/Davis I think is go. Hendo/Shogun is really the only option without resorting to a BS fight.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hendo/Shogun makes sense if Dana wants Hendo in the title picture. Winner of that gets winner of Evans vs Rampage/Jones makes sense to me, but probably not to Dana.
I still think we’ll see a BS fight. Think Tito vs Hendo or Rich Franklin vs Hendo.
I don’t wanna see Franklin get laid on :(
There’s not enough fights that can still be done at the top of light heavy. Machida’s fought everyone but Jones, Rashad has fought everyone but Shogun and Jones, Rampage has fought everyone but Shogun and none of those were fights anyone wants to see again. Just having Hendo around to give the top guys something to do, even if he isn’t gonna fight for the title is valuable.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s going to sign with UFC, there is pretty much no doubt about that. Only other option is… well, there really isn’t one. With the sinking ship in Strikeforce?
I hope Hendo fights Shogun, because that means that a win would put him in line for a title shot. Maybe Machida?
But a Hendo-Machida fight could be the most boring stand-up battle in UFC history. Two counter-punchers (albeit with vastly different styles of counter punching) never make good fights.
remember also
that Cain completely man-handled Brock Lesnar.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Lesnar just isn’t a good MMA fighter. Has a huge problem with stamina and doesn’t take a punch well. I think that he would have been willing to go train at some top-tier gym (Jackson’s, AKA, Top Team), he would have been better for it. Instead, he wanted to stay near home.
And because of his diverticulitis may never fight again, which is sad.
he says he's coming back
his wrestling is top notch, but I do agree his biggest advantage is his size. That’s why I thought Cain could beat him because he’s beaten guys even bigger than Brock
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
if you're taller
which is kinda what I meant
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
nice
Dana wants to make an instant splash
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
One more thought on standings
The Dodgers are just about as close to 18h worst overall (2.5 games ahead of Rockies) than 12th worst overall (3 games behind White Sox and Indians).
Worst case scenario we lose our protected spot and that becomes relevant in 2012
If that happens that means:
1. Sept was a lot of fun to watch Dodger baseball
2. We signed a Type A free Agent for 2012
Not sure I see much of a downside to winning other then no one will be able to fret about who our number one pick is going to be. Assuming Ned or any replacement GM is going to sign a lousy Type A free agent should keep people busy this winter.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
what if
it’s a good Type A?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, god knows I’m not a Ned fan but already assigning our Type A as a bust seems like the most possible negative outcome is being taken as a given.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Would you give up your type-A for an Orlando Hudson type player? Middle of the road, can help you one year, etc.
For me it depends on the makeup of the team. If I’m in rebuilding mode no, if the only thing I need is a good player at that position to be playoff competitive then probably. Lots of variables involved in the decision.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Elimination update
The Florida Marlins are officially out of the NL East race. The Nats are set to be eliminated sometime this week, with the Phillies in Florida.
For the Nats to get eliminated from the playoffs, their number is 10, as in Braves wins and Nats losses adding up to that number. I’d like to eliminate the Nats, but it might mean the Dodgers having a bad weekend in Atlanta before moving on for their four in DC
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
right, I havent’ been looking at the WC. I’m all for the Phillies taking out their NL East comp., but you’re right, I’d rather the Nats were still (technically) in the WC race after this weekend.
by Josie Becker on Sep 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice homage to Ray Kroc in the Padres’ picture.
When was this? 1978 or so? Those early years of free agency must have been so wild.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
he says in the article that the Padres had two Pete Rose days the year before. While Rose was on the Reds.
by Josie Becker on Sep 2, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Cincy’s most popular player will thus enter Friday’s free-agent draft
Whoa! A free-agent draft?! What was that? I need to read up on that.
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by Humma Kavula on Sep 2, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Initially, and for some years thereafter, there was a so-called free agent “re-entry draft.” The first one was held on Nov. 4 in the Plaza Hotel in New York and limited to the 24 existing clubs (the new Seattle and Toronto expansion franchises were not allowed to participate). The clubs drafted in inverse order of the 1976 standings, at no cost, and selected negotiation rights to as many players as eligible. When a player was chosen by 12 clubs other than his own team, his name was removed from the list.
This is actually verbatim the system that MLS uses now.
Wow
I have zero recollection of this draft.
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I like how his Dodger one has the "Ooopsie my bad!" pose.
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Braves lineup
Bourn CF
Prado LF
McCann C
Uggla 2B
Jones 3B
Freeman 1B
Heyward RF
Gonzalez SS
Beachy P
Yes it is, just don’t think the Braves would do it. I’d do it if you think you can’t sign him in a heartbeat.
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Braves are trying to win now. Maybe they envision Heyward being there for the next 10 years, but grabbing a player like Kemp is right in their wheelhouse.
What evidence is there
that the Braves are trying to win now aside from the fact that they would like to win as many games as they can.
Wren has done most of his terrible trades with the big league roster. His attitude towards the farm is “whoa whoa whoa you want our 7th best starting prospect that’s a little too much”
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Braves, with all their young pitching, are as set up for a long term run as anyone. Heyward, Freeman and their other young corps aren’t going anywhere.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
$5 footlong of the month for me today (Turkey/Ham). It is actually half way decent. Haven’t been there in ages.
Last month's was delicious
Buffalo chicken. Got it on Italian herbs & cheese bread w/provolone, extra buffalo sauce, ranch sauce, oil & vinegar, and veggies.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 2, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Always cracks me up when I order a sub with everything.
You want olives? Everything. You want onions? Everything. You want jalapeno? Everything.
And so on, and so on…
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 2, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
One day that sandwich artist was like you.
Then someone that wanted everything freaked out at him for putting lettuce on his sandwich.
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Peter Edward Rose
was Barry Bonds at Dodger Stadium long before Barry was even out of high school.
It was the fan’s reaction to Rose that caused the no beer sales in the Pavillion.
I saw Pete get 5 hits against the Dodgers when he was with the Phillies in a game in 1982.
I remember thinking, there goes HOF Pete Rose.
True, he was fun to boooooooooooooo, helped that his team was the main competition at the time. Bench, Morgan, Perez, Concepcion, Foster, but it was Rose who drew the rath and he reveled in it.
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in the article, Rose gives a few thoughts on each team counting him. For the Phillies he said “they need me”
by Josie Becker on Sep 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He made the perfect move.
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I wouldn't say the Phillies were soft
in those days but Schimidt was like Gretzky in the way that he was the best player but he was not someone who was going to be in your face. Carlton never talked to anyone. Bowa was feisty but he was a good field/okay hit SS. Maddox played solid D.
Rose gave them an edge and he was a leader, no matter how you define it.
That was essentially the same team who lost to us in 77/78 except they added Rose and Trillo.
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That was the epic 1980 playoff series against the Astro's
which I think was one of the best I’ve ever seen.
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Best Prospect You've Never Heard Of
David Cooper is hitting 372/.442/.549 for the 51s with 59 walks to 40 strike outs. Those are some very Andy LaRoche like numbers and when we do off season plans I’m sure mine will involve trading for him.
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cause if we need anything, it’s another LaRoche?
by Josie Becker on Sep 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This one hasn’t hurt his back yet!
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
His 1.41 BB/K is by far the best in pro baseball.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Should have scrolled further down.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Reg???????????
This dude had an OPS of .769 in AA and now has a .983 playing Vegas!!!!!!!
Why is he a prospect and Frodo isn’t?
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The strikeout to walk.
Lyle Overbay with a little more pop is the comparison I’ve heard.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus Cooper’s done this in way more than 70 PA.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not exactly sure why
he doesn’t compare to the 2006 Las Vegas dwelling James Loney. While Loney’s walk and K totals were about 1-1 (32 BB and 34 K), the other numbers might project out if Loney had not played up in LA for more than Cooper has with the Blue Jays.
Admittedly his floor is somewhere around James Loney.
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by regfairfield on Sep 2, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Also for some this might be interesting
Cooper played college ball at Cal from 2006-2008 (enrolled in fall 2005)
Can’t imagine who would find that interesting:)
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Does Chad Billingsley have a big game in him tonight?
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he usually does well against the Braves
Just hopefully he knows not to keep going to a certain pitch if they keep hitting it. Mix it up Chad!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t blame Navarro no more
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Billingsley has had a difficult time locating in his last few outings.
This was more pronounced in his last start.
An ump behind the plate with a large strike zone might help him tonight.
The ball does get out of the ball park in Atlanta (elevation 1,050) more quickly than is DS.
Hope he can keep the ball down.
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, I remember those two games in 2009 after the hammy injury where he dominated them with like 50% curveballs.
by Taylor Maricle on Sep 2, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sunday night game. That’s the first thing I remember when you say Chad Billingsley and Altanta Braves too.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Navarro differential is now..............
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63 - 32 / 8 - 1 record
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Dodgers are averaging 6 runs a game in Sept
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Games are less intense for the non contenders in Sept?
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 2, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers lineup, per Dylan H
Gordon SS
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Rivera LF
Ethier RF
Miles 3B
Barajas C
Sellers 2B
Billingsley P
THE FUTURE IS HERE
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was wondering if it was gonna be AJ behind the plate
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
right
i remember him saying that.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
trying to remember
did Billz get the win in his last start?
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right, all coming back to me
Kuo gave up the lead, Loney tied it with a homer, Kemp ended it with a homer in extras.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
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