Clayton Kershaw, Giant Killer
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:22 PM PDT
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PrintYears from now, we will look back on nights like tonight and tell our kids and grandkids that we watched Clayton Kershaw pitch. They won't look at us as quizzically as we do to our elders who got to see Sandy Koufax, simply because there is ample video evidence of Kershaw's greatness. That greatness was on display Tuesday night, as Kershaw outdueled the magnificent Tim Lincecum, again, to pick up his 20th victory as the Dodgers beat the Giants 2-1.
Kershaw is the first Dodgers pitcher to win 20 games in a season since Ramon Martinez went 20-6 in 1990.
The game was close throughout, as all four meetings between Kershaw and Lincecum have been all season. Yet, with Kershaw on the mound, nothing seemed in doubt. Having trouble with the slider? No problem, here is the curve, which worked to perfection on Tuesday, or "Ohhhh the big Uncle Charlie," as VIn Scully called it during the broadcast.
Andres Torres led off the game by reaching base on a throwing error by Aaron Miles, who continued his problems with throws across the diamond. But Torres was promptly thrown out trying to steal second base on a great throw by Rod Barajas. Carlos Beltran singled with two outs in the first, but Kershaw promptly picked him off first base.
In the third inning, Justin Christian led off the inning with a double, but the next three batters couldn't get the ball out of the infield against Kershaw. Christian reached on an infield single in the fifth inning, but Kershaw picked him off too.
Kershaw's nine pickoffs this season are second only to James Shields in MLB this season.
The Dodgers led 2-0 thanks to three straight singles in the first inning, then a solo home run by the white-hot Jerry Sands in the second inning off Lincecum. But that was all Lincecum would allow.
Okay, about that never in doubt part, I may have lied a little bit. In the eighth inning, things started to get dicey. With one out, Chris Stewart took Kershaw over the wall in left to cut the Dodgers' lead in half, at 2-1. Then, walks to Pat Burrell and Torres ended Kershaw's night, and suddenly the game was in doubt, at least a little bit.
Due up next for the Giants were their two best hitters, Pablo Sandoval and Beltran, but the Dodgers had a weapon of their own. Kenley Jansen entered, and cut through the heart of the order like a hot knife through butter. Jansen threw seven pitches combined to Sandoval and Beltran, and six were strikes as Jansen struck out both, to the delight of the playoff-atmospheric crowd at Dodger Stadium.
Jansen has struck out 21 of the last 31 batters he has faced.
Javy Guerra was brought in to preserve the 2-1 lead in the ninth, and things didn't get off to a good start, as Guerra threw wild on Mark DeRosa's tapper back to the mound, pulling James Loney off the bag for a leadoff baserunner. However, Brett Pill popped out, and the crowd roared. One out. Aubrey Huff then grounded to Loney, who began a 3-6-3 double play, and the crowd erupted.
Elation. Clayton Kershaw is 20-5.
Kershaw is tied with Ian Kennedy for the National League lead in wins, at 20.
Kershaw leads the National League with 242 strikeouts, two behind Justin Verlander for the MLB lead
Kershaw leads the majors with a 2.27 ERA.
Kershaw is 5-0 with a 1.07 ERA in six starts against the Giants this season, with eight walks and 49 strikeouts.
I never saw Koufax myself, but my reference point for great Dodger pitching is Orel Hershiser at the end of 1988. Every time Hershiser took the mound, I knew the Dodgers would win. That's how much confidence he inspired. That's the way it is for Kershaw now. I have never felt more confident in the Dodgers than I do with Kershaw on the mound.
He's simply the best. Just ask Tim Lincecum.
WP - Clayton Kershaw (20-5): 7 1/3 IP, 6 hits, 1 run, 2 walks, 6 strikeouts
LP - Tim Lincecum (13-13): 7 IP, 8 hits, 2 runs, 3 walks, 5 strikeouts
Sv - Javy Guerra (19): 1 IP
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He just owns the Giants
The Giants might as well lay down and accept it
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I saw Sandy pitch many times when I was a kid
Kershaw is as close to Koufax as anyone I can remember in Dodger Blue.
Curt Schilling is saying Cliff Lee
will probably get it
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:28 PM PDT reply actions
I was going to ask if Schilling wrote his CYA picks using a red dry erase marker.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He's wrong
But I’m not going to begrudge former Phillies with talking up current Phillies. Only that they’re given a platform to do it.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 20, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Curt Shilling
Has said more dumb shit publicly than every ballplayer this side of John Rocker
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s no way.
Lee has some big shutout numbers, but overall I think he finishes 3rd behind Roy/Kershaw
Lee has as much of a chance of beating Halladay and Kershaw for Cy Young as I do.
I still think that Halladay will get it unless he falters at the end and Kershaw finishes with a great performance against the Padres.
I do too.
Isnt there more baseball writers on the east coast that vote on these things?
Halladay will win…but if Kershaw did get the triple crown (Wins, Ks, ERA)…that’d make it way close.
Yeah, the triple crown thing could tilt it Kershaw’s way. But Halladay has basically been the frontrunner since Opening Day.
I guess I could see a groundswell for Kershaw starting now (votes have to be in before start of playoffs, right?) and ending up with Kershaw winning it. But I prefer to be pessimistic.
Considering the hype the Philly Three get, I would not be surprised at all if Kershaw somehow dropped to third place, through no fault of his own.
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I hate wins being a factor
but one thing is for sure, Ian Kennedy should not be in the conversation at all since Kershaw has 20 wins now, ERA is way to lower than Kennedys.
I’m worried about Cliff Lee., really glad he gave up 2 ER tonight
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
Lee, Halladay, and Hamels all doing excellently on the same team should steer it over to Kershaw.
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I know this is true, but dear lord I hate it.
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by regfairfield on Sep 21, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants fans really hate Kershaw
Just came across this tweet:
is really starting to hate Clayton Kershaw. Trivia: did you know he Gas the same middle name as Bucky Dent? #sfgiants #dodgers
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Dude really doesn’t know how to spell.
cal. lakers. dodgers. packers. chelsea.
vols. rangers. galaxy.
He was nerdraging. Hard to type like that.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
what a
Gashole
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the 5-0 vs. the Giants (4-0 vs. Timmy Chong) stat will be the one that carries him to the Cy.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Timmy Chong
I like it.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't
took me a second to get the Cheech and Chong reference because at first I was horrified that someone might be calling Tim out on his heritage. Thankfully my brain kicked in and realized that no one on TBLA would do that, but I don’t like it. I respect Tim Lincecum, so I’ll use his full name.
Just my two cents. You’re welcome to your own.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
Tim Lincecum is Asian?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Not Just Javy
but Kershaw, Jansen, Loney and Sands showing what they got
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT reply actions
Kid K
Is good at baseball.
If only all the starfish could be Dodgers.
by EJ Rankin on Sep 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
Can we give him a 15 year extension? Haha.
If only all the starfish could be Dodgers.
by EJ Rankin on Sep 20, 2011 10:31 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
all seriousness
10yrs 180mils would be a steal if you consider time value of money and Kershaw might take it.
'He's simply the best. Just ask Tim Lincecum.'
that was an awesome line.
Agreed.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Sep 20, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Cy Young Debate
What cases can be made for Roy/Lee/Kennedy?
I know Lee has those shutouts, and Roy has more CG’s, but Kershaw compares favorably in most other categories
It’s really more of a battle between Kershaw and Halladay
Can’t see Lee getting it unless he gets his 7th shut out of the season in his last start
by Julio Nievas on Sep 20, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont' see how you can even consider Kennedy now
that CK has 20 wins too,….even though wins are a bad way to judge..people love to see 20 wins and he only has 4 losses..but CK is way too lower than Kennedys
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw's great game tonight
and Halladay’s loss last night distanced them a bit. I think Kershaw has taken a much bigger lead.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
How many more games does Hallday pitch this season/
1 or 2
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:35 PM PDT reply actions
would Charlie Manual
let him pitch the last game of the season? seems like he would keep him to let him start game 1 or 2
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If that game means anything, i think he would.
It would determine who the Phillies play in the 1st round if they are trying to eliminate the Braves..
yea but
they wont play the Braves in the first round so do you think they’d worry about it from that angle
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
No chance Halladay pitches on 3 days rest on the final day of the season, just to get a different playoff opponent.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The Big Four all have one start left. I would imagine Halladay, Lee and/or Kennedy will also pitch a few innings in relief in the final two games, next Tuesday/Wednesday, to stay sharp for the playoffs.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
From You Can't Predict Baseball
- Chris Stewart just homered off Clayton Kershaw.
– That’s his third CAREER home run.
— Justin Christian doubled off Kershaw too.
—- The Giants are still losing.
—– Jerry Sands hit a home run off Lincecum.
—— In four Lincecum vs. Kershaw games this year, Lincecum had a 1.24 ERA. He’ll be 0-3 if this 2-1 score holds up.
——- The Dodgers and Giants opened the year with a Kershaw and Lincecum matchup. The Giants lineups from that night and tonight have one player in common.
——– Oh, and Mark DeRosa’s hitting cleanup for San Fran.
——— Update: the Dodgers won. They’re now over .500. Who would’ve thunk it?
My $0.02...
While I sincerely hope that Kershaw wins the Cy Young, I can’t be that upset if Halladay or Lee win it. They have a huge advantage of being on a winning team. While that should actually be in Kershaw’s favor due to the shittiness of the team; he hasn’t been so dominant (like Orel in ‘88 or Verlander this year) that I’ll be that pissed. Being in the top 3 and making it close is a huge achievement for this young man.
Same goes for Kemp; he’s had a fantastic year but I don’t think he will get the MVP. I would love it if he does, but I think he’ll end up in the top 3.
In this year of crap for the Dodgers, having young guys in top 3 in CY and MVP is a huge positive for the future.
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
if the Dodgers can finish above .500
it’s not like Kemp is on a losing team..wish that would help his cause
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he’s a longshot. Still hope he gets it, but I just don’t see it happening.
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the team’s record hurts Kemp, but has little or no influence on Kershaw. Look at some of the recent Cy Young winners, and the team’s record hasn’t had an impact on it. Lincecum’s 2 come to mind, and Greinke and King Felix in the AL. Carpenter had a strong case on a playoff team in 2008, but it went to Lincecum from a pretty mediocre (at best) giant team
I’m pretty much the same. I think Kershaw and Kemp both have excellent cases to win, but I won’t be made if Halladay and Braun win. Lee I would take more issue with, but he has been amazing too.
I do expect the worst Kershaw and Kemp will finish in second.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re thinking about how right now, aren’t you?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to the party pal!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
agree and rec
But I really want the CYA for Clayton and a MVP for Matt would be fanfuckingtastic
by MammothDodger on Sep 20, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Jon Heyman:
kershaw staked his claim to cy young tonite. the award should be his. hes been better than halladay, lee and kennedy
I still think Kemp has a better argument for MVP than Kershaw does for CY.
Kershaw has a bigger advantage playing in the NL West, and at DS….than the Phillies pitchers..
Plus – that works to further the argument that what Kemp’s doing is even more impressive.
Hitting without protection is hard to quantify though, at least harder than for hitting in a pitcher’s park.
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Good point…still can’t believe that Kemp has seen so many strikes this year. I’d give him 4 wide and then get the next 2-3 guys out and leave him on 2nd base after he stole it.
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
100 runs with that lineup is beyond amazing.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Sep 20, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants were the hottest team in baseball
and blistering the ball at the plate. And Kershaw shut them down. He did the same thing to the Brewers. I don’t buy this argument.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
it was a joke
because the Giant’s offense is so crappy
LOL
The #Giants have a better owner than the #Dodgers do. And his name is Clayton Kershaw. #DeportMcCourt
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by Paul Udani on Sep 20, 2011 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
NICE!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Kennedy haev 1 or 2 starts left?
seems like it would be harder to ignore CK if he won triple crown
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:47 PM PDT reply actions
Look up
The Big Four all have one start left. I would imagine Halladay, Lee and/or Kennedy will also pitch a few innings in relief in the final two games, next Tuesday/Wednesday, to stay sharp for the playoffs.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks
sorry…almost 2 here..need to get to bed
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
and when i saw big 4
for some reason I was thinking Lee, Halladay, Hammels, and Oswalt….yea im not there
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to sleep after watching this game.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
def..
hard to study for a finance test too :o
by Dodgerblue8188 on Sep 20, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
I am so wound up right now. It’s been quite a day.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m reading through the MCC game thread. Last time I did this was when Kershaw shut down the Tigers.
Tigers fans were basically, “DAmn, Kershaw is good. Wish we saw Verlander vs. Kershaw. I hate Raburn.”
Giants fans say, “I hate Kershaw. I hate the Dodgers. I hate Bochy.”
Pretty sure they all know who Kid K is these days.
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah they were really happy when Kershaw was pulled. Started talking about how they can win now. Then Jansen comes in and K’s Panda and Beltran and they all started yelling “What the fuck!!!!!”
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Suchon says Tim Brown has a vote for NL CYA
so we know at least 4 NL CYA voters:
Brown
Keith Law
Tony Jackson
Andrew Baggarly
Can you dig a bit and get some banking info for wire transfers?
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what the TBLA $50 registration fee is for, right, Eric?
The fee that everyone has to pay to comment?
That’s $50 per comment.
E put me in charge of collections, and you’re a bit light.
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And Social Security numbers will be quite helpful too
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And PINS. I really, really, really like PINS.
by KellyStephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Brown's been tweeting good things about Kershaw too.
Makes me wonder…
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose, counting the signing bonus of his new multi-year contract :)
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Sheehan gives it to Halladay
citing K/BB walk ratio, and park factors. Also cited FIP
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
this was
on Quick Pitch
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Sheehan can meet my nutsack with his tongue
"I'm goofy"
by Jack Huber on Sep 20, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Certainly possible, and perhaps probable.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i hate the "park factor" reason
it just sounds unfair to me
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It may help his numbers,
but it also takes away from his already bad run support, and he still has 20 wins. Which is definitely why Kemp needs to be seriously considered.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Sep 20, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm ok with that
As long as they give credit to Kemp for “park factors”
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now see
that’s fair. Miller Park is a hitters park.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah exactly
not only is kemp hitting in a much harder park to hit in and matching brauns numbers, but kemp has no protection for him to get good pitches (fielder vs. miles) and also he plays Center field over braun who plays Left field….
o and did i forget to add he going to end up with over 40 stolen bases….
honestly kemp is the MVP
by matthewmafa on Sep 20, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if it goes to Halladay
I can’t really argue with that logic.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
wow
What a game! The crowd was amazing except for the idiots yelling Giants suck. I’ve never had so much anxiety at a non playoff game. We went nuts for sands’ hr.
Kenley coming in and putting a dagger in the heart of the giants was the moment of the year. This was definitely my favorite game of the year, 2nd favorite game in person ever.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
by Ivdown on Sep 20, 2011 10:59 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
I loved listening to a giants fan behind me
Saying they need to get to the bullpen because it sucks. Needless to say when guerra shut the door I turned around and asked him about that crappy bullpen :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
by Ivdown on Sep 20, 2011 11:02 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
(high five)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Per Andrew Baggarly
Lincecum was 0-3, 1.24 ERA in 4 starts vs. Kershaw. “I did my job the best I could. He was just better. That’s tough to say.”
Really sucks to see
someone so great put up those numbers and lose every time, but Kershaw is more awesome so that’s okay hehe.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Sep 20, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim Lincecum: “Clayton Kershaw is Better”
THAT needs to be on a t-shirt.
by court168627 on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Regarding the Cy...
My biggest concern at this point (from the perspective of a Kershaw sympathizer, naturally) is how the voters’ biases will play out. I have been hoping that Halladay’s status as the frontrunner would be undermined by a split in the east coast-biased vote as Lee finishes strong. Split the ESPN vote, and Kershaw walks away the winner, not unlike Lincecum’s 2nd win over Carpenter and Wainwright in 2009 (I recall thinking Wainwright was more deserving, but Lincecum was not an outrageous choice).
However, this recent groundswell of support for Kennedy is disturbing to me. While I believe he’s a fine pitcher, I fail to see how voters could justify a vote for Kennedy over Kersh, or the Phillies’ guys. The stats just don’t bear it out. Thus, I fear west coast voters might split their votes between Kersh and Kennedy, and Halladay will walk away with it.
But hey, maybe I’m letting my professional thinking (political consultancy) taint my thinking. Ideally, personal biases shouldn’t effect the award, and the voters will simply judge Kershaw for what he is: the best pitcher in the NL this year.
I really don't think Kennedy
has as strong a case as guys like Halladay and Kershaw. Those two are, in my opinion, the two frontrunners.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I certainly agree
But when you hear enough media stories suggesting otherwise, you start to wonder. But I think the stats speak for themselves. Hopefully the voters agree.
I was thinking very similar and hope it will be just like 2009 and Kershaw can sneak off with the cy young after watching lee and doc take votes from each other. By sneak I mean walk off victoriously and deservingly :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
by Ivdown on Sep 20, 2011 11:05 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Ned on Tilden
Wouldn’t mention Fielder or Pujols by name but strong hinted they need one franchise altering offense piece. Sounds like he’s just waiting for clearance on money.
they gotta be thinking it
why wouldn’t you?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
indeed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait
What happens on October 12?
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the bankruptcy court decides
whether or not McCourt can auction off the TV rights
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 20, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at ATT a few weeks ago (I saw Timmy give up like 3 hr’s and the giants got 2 hit in a 6-0 loss to the cubs) and they showed Ric Flair on the big screen
Just got home; this game was probably the best game I’ve ever seen in person. If I live another 60 years I might never see a better pitching matchup than this one. I’ve seen three walkoff wins this year, but the most exciting moment of the entire season, for me, was seeing Kenley Jansen strikeout Pablo Sandoval and Carlos Beltran. The crowd just went nuts.
Oh
It would’ve been Vic Lombardi’s 89th birthday today
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by Taylor Maricle on Sep 20, 2011 11:21 PM PDT reply actions
Game has been archived - watching the video, finally!
oh man, the outfield almost ran into each other!
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
Sweet
Grantland on Wednesday is going to have a long feature, the oral history of Hagler vs Leonard. Awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
SPeaking of east coast opinions, props from a Philly broadcaster, and then a Phils fan being a douche:
jrfingerCSN John R. Finger
Think Clayton Kershaw won the Cy Young tonight.
Douche:
@ryanlawrence21 Ryan Lawrence:
@jrfingerCSN should wins over the Giants even count?
/douche
rfingerCSN John R. Finger
@
@ryanlawrence21 hey, they took 2 of 3 in Philly not too long ago…
My response to the Phils douche is rather obvious: Wins over Giants are at least as if not more impressive than, say, wins over the Astros.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Especially when you beat a two time Cy winner four times.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
And the Giants had won 8 in a row!
Blargh, I hate the Phillies.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And I hate the Giants more for beating them when the Dodgers couldn’t. But that’s baseball.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course a Phillies fan should think that wins over the Giants shouldn’t count. They didn’t have that many of them last October.
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vols. rangers. galaxy.
by cldpc on Sep 20, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't even know how this is possible
But, tomorrow’s D’Backs game is not on TV in Arizona. Playoff team and their local network won’t broadcast tomorrow’s day game.
The Pirates network, sure. N.L West Champs network, nah. Radio only.
That is fucking terrible.
Also, fuck Arizona.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 20, 2011 11:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Figures the night would go from absolutely amazing
to meh in just an hour or so :/
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Kershaw needs to throw 8 scoreless (or, without an earned run) innings in San Diego to get his ERA to 2.19. If he goes 7 1/3 or 7 2/3 scoreless innings, the ERA would round up to 2.20.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 21, 2011 12:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Off the top of my head, Orel Hershiser with 2.03 in 1985. But I might be overlooking someone.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It was Orel
Here is the list of 2.20 ERAs or less since moving to LA:
Rk Player Year ERA Age G GS CG SHO W L IP SO ERA+
1 Sandy Koufax 1963 1.88 27 40 40 20 11 25 5 311.0 306 159
2 Don Drysdale 1964 2.18 27 40 40 21 5 18 16 321.1 237 149
3 Sandy Koufax 1964 1.74 28 29 28 15 7 19 5 223.0 223 188
4 Sandy Koufax 1965 2.04 29 43 41 27 8 26 8 335.2 382 160
5 Sandy Koufax 1966 1.73 30 41 41 27 5 27 9 323.0 317 190
6 Don Drysdale 1968 2.15 31 31 31 12 8 14 12 239.0 155 128
7 Don Sutton 1972 2.08 27 33 33 18 9 19 9 272.2 207 162
8 Don Sutton 1980 2.20 35 32 31 4 2 13 5 212.1 128 161
9 Orel Hershiser 1985 2.03 26 36 34 9 5 19 3 239.2 157 171
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/21/2011.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 21, 2011 12:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
if I did the math right
between from 1963 through 1966 Sandy Koufax threw 1192.2 innings with an ERA of 1.85. WOW, that is some great shit!
by MammothDodger on Sep 21, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Love the title from MCC
Post-game thread: Giants explode for run against Kershaw, but Lincecum shelled for two runs
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Probably no ones's here anymore, but ...
Took my kids and a friend of theirs to the game tonight, and it was a gas. What a great game, well played, pitched. Seeing Kershaw outduel Lincecum in a tight game was great. Glad I chose this night to get one more game in this year.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 21, 2011 12:39 AM PDT reply actions
That’s great. It sounded like a great crowd on TV
by Eric Stephen on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It was a good crowd, as those things go this year. There were cheap tix on stubhub last night, but by today, everything was up over $25. So, people definitely went when they realized who was pitching.
I kept score, too, so I have a really good record of the game. Love it when I can do that.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 21, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
7 of Kershaw’s 32 starts were against the Giants or Padres, and in those games he pitched 60 innings, allowing 8er, an ERA of 1.20.
Halladay also had two starts against the Padres, throwing 16.2IP and allowing 3ER, a total of 1.62.
Clayton Kershaw deserves the Cy Young because he did better against the Padres than Roy Halladay.
Also, Doc has a 1.74 WHIP at Dodger Stadium this year (yeah yeah SSS and all). Park factor, anyone?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
9 hits in 6.1 IP 1ER 4K 2BB, dude had to have gotten a little lucky with the runners LOB. Also, this is the starting lineup Donnie rolled out against him:
Gwynn, Blake, Ethier, Kemp, Miles, Loney, Barajas, Carroll, Kuroda.
Velez pinch ran for Barajas, and Navarro came in at the end but did not bat. Rivera had a pinch hit and Dee got two at bats
I think that might be just about the best line-up the Dodgers have been able to trot out there all year.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
After reading MMC last night, that lineup is Muderer’s Row compared to the Giants’ lineup.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Fangraphs take on evaluating Kershaw vs. Halladay and why Kershaw deserves the Cy Young Award despite having a lower WAR.
It annoys me that it's still an arguement
oh… sorry all, nevermind the pitching triple crown stats. I’m citing “K/BB/9, park factor, and FIP to chose my CY Young winner…” – Joe Sheehan (what a dick)
I'm goofy
to be fair, we can’t all year ignore ERA and Wins and blow them off like they don’t matter, then cite them as evidence for why Clayton should be the Cy Young winner. We’re doing the same thing Sheehan is, but with the stats that are convenient for us.
by G.Scott on Sep 21, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
lets use advanced metrics until they are inconvenient
then throw them out the window!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Is there any chance MLB will approve a long-term contract for Kershaw this offseason?
I was listening to two Red Sox fans at a bar last night talk about the Sox’s pitching woes, and all they could talk about was how long it would be before they could grab Kershaw. They were talking about it like it was a done deal that he was gonna end up in the AL East, and they were trying to figure out how they could outsmart the Yankees for him. And I know Yankee fans are all having the exact same conversation.
Also
The only way Kershaw ends up in the AL East before he is eligible for free agency is via a trade and that simply isn’t happening.
Stupid Red Sox fans
For all the bluster coming out of the Northeast about how hardcore they are (as fans) they don’t know shit about free agency rules.
But ya Red Sox nation, McCourt is so poor that Kershaw might get non-tendered. They just might do it.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Then who is in charge?
It’s not McCourt anymore, right? Seriously, who’s setting the budget for free agents and other roster decisions?
McCourt is
since the bankruptcy, MLB is out and he got the loan from MLB for operating the team.
BH can correct me if I’m wrong
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Material changes to the DIP budget (for example: spending over $100MM on a contract extension for a player) would have to be approved by the court.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I assume there is a DIP budget. Either way, the bankruptcy will be cleared (one way or the other) by the time the Dodgers would negotiate with CK.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The DIP
Money is pretty much tied into this season, their projected end of year balance is about $25M and that is with the injection of the loan.
The Dodgers will have to offer their reorganization plan and that is why they are asking the Court to allow them to auction their TV rights now.
Red Zone Alert
New fanpost up about the Bowling Night this Friday. I’ll be pimping it the next few days in the comments so if you could either green those comments so people see them or rec the fanpost to the top (mods stick it at the top of the page when one of tomorrow’s threads gets long, hmmmmmmmm?) Either way, thanks to those who decide to come out, if you read these articles but don’t post, you’re of course more than welcome to come. TBLA events are a great way to meet the people behind the screen names and make it feel more like a family and community than just pixels and syntax.
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/9/19/2437068/tbla-bowling-this-friday-friday-friday-9-23
by G.Scott on Sep 21, 2011 8:07 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Apparently I didn’t have a text message plan for two weeks there — don’t ask — so if you sent me a text in the last two weeks and I didn’t respond, that’s why…I never got the text.
All better now
I assumed you had enough of my asking you random questions during Dodger games.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
In case you were ever wondering, Gooden had a really solid 98 season in Cleveland. I can’t tell from these articles but why was he ejected in the first inning of this ALDS game?
Nomar Double to LF off Gooden (Fly Ball to Deep LF); Lewis Scores; Valentin Scores
Dave Burba replaces Dwight Gooden pitching
I haven’t found anything besides “bizarre incident”. Really have no idea.
found this while searching for it
Albert’s antics
Good friend Albert Belle’s top 10 antics in Jacobs Field:
1. Confronted NBC-TV reporter Hannah Storm during 1995 World Series. Mistakenly thought Storm was Leslie Visser.
2. Destroyed clubhouse thermostats because room was too warm. Earned him the nickname, “Mr. Freeze.”
3. Agreed to appear at postgame news conference to proclaim innocence in the wake of bat confiscation during Game 1 of 1995 division series. Knowing his bat was cork-less, Belle railed against his accusers.
4. Lifted plastic cover off clubhouse manager Stan Hunter’s postgame spread and dumped a large bucket of water on it. The best part: It happened during Indians’ celebration of clinching 1995 Central Division title.
5. Threw baseball at photographer Tony Tomsic.
6. Seemingly delighted in pouring a sports drink on carpet of visiting clubhouse upon one of his returns to Jacobs Field as opposing player.
7. Yanked a salsa tape belonging to teammate Carlos Baerga out of the stereo and threw it across the room.
8. Habitually hurled frozen juice concentrates against a wall in back room of clubhouse.
9. Berated Plain Dealer columnist Bud Shaw for supposedly snooping at his locker.
10. Refused to pose with American League All-Stars for team picture in 1997, then refused to play in game, citing safety concerns.
This doesn’t even include off the field stuff, like hitting trick or treaters with his car.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed to appear at postgame news conference to proclaim innocence in the wake of bat confiscation during Game 1 of 1995 division series. Knowing his bat was cork-less, Belle railed against his accusers.
What’s wrong with this?
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Sep 21, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing because he lost the benefit of the doubt when he got caught with a corked bat in 94.
by Michael White on Sep 21, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Bob Costas
Is endorsing Clayton Kershaw
by Julio Nievas on Sep 21, 2011 8:48 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Brought up his record vs. Lincecum this year
by Julio Nievas on Sep 21, 2011 8:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations Clayton Kershaw on being one of the best pitchers in the NL and no one actually realizing why.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Sep 21, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t think he meant it that way.
by Julio Nievas on Sep 21, 2011 9:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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