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Dodgers Fall, But Matt Kemp Rises

Only 14 men have hit at least 35 home runs and had at least 35 stolen bases in the same season, including Matt Kemp.

The Dodgers lost on Wednesday night, 8-5 to the Giants, but there was still excitement at Dodger Stadium, thanks to Matt Kemp. On the same night Kemp received the 2011 Roy Campanella Award, the National League MVP contender inspired the hell out of a pitch in the fifth inning off Ryan Vogelsong, a towering drive into the pavilion in left center field. The home run was the 35th of the season for Kemp, bringing him to within one of Albert Pujols for the National League lead, and punched Kemp's ticket into an exclusive club.

There have now been 19 seasons in major league history with at least 35 home runs and 35 stolen bases, and Kemp is the 14th player to accomplish the feat. The last was Alfonso Soriano, who also joined the 40/40 club in 2006 with 46 home runs and 41 steals for the Washington Nationals.

Kemp also singled in the ninth inning, raising his batting average to .3222 on the season. Jose Reyes of the New York Mets leads the National League with a .3301 batting average, just ahead of Ryan Braun of the Milwaukee Brewers at .3297. Kemp is third, his lowest rank in any triple crown category.

Kemp's three-run home run pushed his RBI total to an NL-leading 116, which is the sixth most in one season by a Dodger since they moved to Los angeles in 1958.

Most RBI By An LA Dodger, Single Season
Player Year RBI
Tommy Davis 1962 153
Shawn Green 2001 125
Mike Piazza 1997 124
Adrian Beltre 2004 121
Frank Howard 1962 119
Matt Kemp 2011 116
Source: Baseball-Reference.com

Dana Eveland wasn't very effective tonight, allowing five runs in four innings, the shortest of his four starts as a Dodger. But his ledger is even at two good games and two bad ones, which is about as good as you can expect for a fill-in on the staff.

Though the Dodgers were down 5-0 early, it actually could have been much worse. The Giants grounded into three double plays in the first three innings, including two by Jeff Keppinger. The Giants ran into a fourth double play in the fifth inning as Brett Pill was caught stealing second base on a strikeout pitch to Brandon Belt.

After Kemp's home run cut the deficit to one, the Giants tacked on one run in the sixth inning and two more in the top of the seventh.

Notes

  • James Loney had three more singles, giving him 13 hits in his last 20 at-bats, including three doubles and two home runs.
  • Jerry Sands singled in the eighth inning, extending his hitting streak to nine games, and has 17 hits in his last 34 at-bats
  • Dee Gordon had two singles, a stolen base, and scored a run, extending his hitting streak to eight games. During the streak, he has 14 hits in 34 at-bats, hitting .412/.444/.500.
  • Eugenio Velez made a pinch hit appearance in the bottom of the fifth inning, and he did not make an out! Velez was hit by a pitch, which put him on first while preserving his concurrent streaks of 0 for 33 (this season) and 0 for 42 (dating back to 2010).
  • Carlos Beltran left the game in the bottom of the fifth inning with a contusion in his right foot.
  • Hiroki Kuroda starts the final home game of the season on Thursday night, facing Madison Bumgarner for San Francisco.

WP - Ryan Vogelsong (12-7): 5 IP, 9 hits, 4 runs, 1 walk, 3 strikeouts

LP - Dana Eveland (2-2): 4 IP, 6 hits, 4 runs, 3 walks, 1 strikeout

Sv - Brian Wilson (36): 1/3 IP, 1 hit

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Unless I’m wrong or have lost count or am just foolish.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 21, 2011 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

7 games left, .500 record at the moment.

You’re not wrong and you haven’t lost count.

I don’t know you well enough to comment on the last one.

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by cldpc on Sep 22, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You will have to take Bride’s word for it.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

dee gordon

i’m really getting excited to see what dee and sands do next year. Hope springs eternal!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 21, 2011 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

word

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 21, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trouble is the rest of that quatrain

Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin’d from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 on Gordon

I had faith in him, and he has quieted his critics thus far. 2012 will be more telling though.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Sep 22, 2011 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

.662 OPS and 9 errors in 40 games is not quieting critics.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which was expected

But he’s a beast when he gets on base and does the occasional home run play on defense.

Dee is my favorite Dodger to watch not named Kershaw

by Julio Nievas on Sep 22, 2011 7:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s certainly one of the most entertaining.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

with 20+ SBs?

at SS? sure he has made 9 errors, but how many plays has he made that most SSs simply don’t?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least according to dWAR

he’s at -0.2 so far, so he’s been good enough to (almost) balance out the errors.

by EMDarrow on Sep 22, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda making the final Dodger Stadium start of his career tomorrow?

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope not

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 21, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

same here

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m trading out Ethier, Loney, Kuroda.

For:

Sands, Prince, Webster

by Joey Joe on Sep 21, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t see that happening.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I become GM it will.

So yeah – aint happening ;)

by Joey Joe on Sep 21, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

If frogs had wings, they wouldn’t bump their asses when they hopped.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Kuroda leaves I expect both a few cheap vets to be signed, and Eovaldi to be ahead of Webster in making the rotation.

Fielder…maybe. But considering how much the Dodgers would have to overpay for him, I’m not even thrilled with the idea.

Sands is going to be the leftfield, so he can’t exactly replace Ethier. Besides, Ethier’s trade value is at an all time low.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course Sands might play right, with Ethier in left, I just meant that Sands would appear to already have a spot without removing Ethier.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

webster gonna get shelled

and now I can’t wait for him to get called up in september and do well and you to try to shove this comment in my face.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

and I will continue to ignore all “I told you so’s” regardless of the source and the intent

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is vague, is he going to get shelled all the time and completely wash out, get shelled in the beginning then settle down, start out solid then get shelled in his fourth start? Get shelled in AAA?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

magic 8-ball says:

“Phooey”

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

if he starts the year in the rotation

it’ll be ugly for a long time before he gets better if he does. Joey Joe will interpret it the same way he interpreted the comments that jansen could use more work in the minors: That we think he sucks and won’t be ever be good.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, but there is a good chance he simply wore down and really is what we hope him to be, and with a winter of rest will come into spring training and beat out Eovaldi for a rotation spot and not be as disappointing as you think.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

there is a chance

theres always a chance, but do you want to rely on a player who has yet to have success above A ball?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not me, I’d rather sign Jon Garland, and Padilla, or roll with Eveland

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much we can get padilla and garland for

pretty cheap i’m sure. I’d take that over eveland.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Webster will be fine.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I give his chances a resounding ‘meh’.

But no, I believe Status Ned is to find as many cheap, other options as possible first, but I expect Webster to make a couple injury spot starts at some point, and I think he’ll be just fine.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cause a 21yo whos been knocked around so far in AA screams, “lets jump him to the majors!”

by EMDarrow on Sep 22, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we’re indeed intent on bringing back the band for one more go-around, we have to include Kuroda in the mix.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's just great to see kemp, dee, sands, and loney all still on fire

This is the most exciting group to watch since late 08-early 09 with manny ethier and kemp being beasts

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 21, 2011 11:05 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I just find it remarkable that around 08 Dodger fans had these fantasies in their heads about how great Kemp and Kershaw would be. How Kershaw was the next Koufax and Kemp would hit .330 .400 .550 with 40 homers and 40 steals. It seemed like we might have been wearing blue tinted glasses at the time, yet here we are. Not only have those dreams become reality, they have become reality during the same season! Couldn’t have come at a better time either, they’ve truly been becons of awe-joy during a trying year in Dodger land. It’s not so often that dreams come to be so true, don’t forget to open your eyes and take in the dreamity.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Indeed, it’s remarkable — these two have hit the best case scenario.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 21, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, it could have came at a much better time.
A time when the team was more competitive.

Wasting two career years on a .500 season is tough to stomach.

Hopefully Kemp/Kershaw get more than 2012 to do it again as a tandem.

by Joey Joe on Sep 21, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I don’t think any of us consider their seasons to be flukes, so we can hope for more of the same going forward.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fluke would be the wrong word. Fluke would imply that these seasons came out of nowhere. They did not. Their careers have been building toward this.

That said… I think it would be reasonable to suggest that there will be some regression from both of them next year. Expecting them to put up perennial MVP/CY numbers… I’m not sure I’m ready to do that. They’ll put up good numbers, but great numbers? League-leading numbers? Gosh I hope so, but….

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 21, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t feel as if the Dodgers missed their one chance to do great things with Kemp/Kershaw. I’m also optimistic that the future holds more seasons like this one for the pair.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point right now

Who seriously cares? Stop raining on the parade, idc if that is how people may feel, let’s enjoy these two amazing player right now, even if it is a 77-77 team.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp mentioned 40/40 last year

and i’m amazed he could actually come very close to doing that just a year later.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Today, Braun 0-4, Reyes 1-4

Though on Braun I’m worried they might rest him some for the playoffs, might kill Kemp’s already low chances

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Just for fun

If Reyes and Braun go 0 for 4 tomorrow (I haven’t checked to see if they play) and Kemp goes 4-4…

Reyes .32755
Braun .32727
Kemp .32696

by Eric Stephen on Sep 21, 2011 11:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

OK it will take a few days

Mets play Thursday but Brewers don’t.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 21, 2011 11:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dana Eveland is who we thought he was

Now if you wanna crown him…

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by Paul Udani on Sep 21, 2011 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

but they didn't let im off the hook

right up there with “im a man, im 40” among my all time favorite coaches rants

by lchristmas on Sep 22, 2011 6:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kemp needs 5 homers in the last 8 games. If he goes 40-40 I think he wins the MVP. Voters love round numbers.

by Table on Sep 21, 2011 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s certainly used to going on home run tears.

by Bakofan on Sep 21, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Homered in 4 straight games to end 2010

I’d love to see something similar in the last 7 games this year.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Touche sir

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

So ummmm....

Sure woulda been nice to have Sands hitting with two outs in the ninth instead of A Mile…ahem…Mattingly…

by slaps825 on Sep 21, 2011 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Elimination - it will go on at least until Sunday

No teams can be eliminated tomorrow.

NL races West and Central will go on at least until Friday (West) and Saturday for Central. Wild Card cannot be settled until Sunday at the earliest. Current leaders Phillies (clinched best NL record), Brewers (4), D- Backs (2) – Braves currently lead Wild Card

Giants could be eliminated for the NL West on Friday (regardless of what happens tomorrow) if the D-Backs beat them.
Giants cannot be eliminated from Wild Card race until Saturday at the earliest

Cardinals cannot be eliminated until Saturday for the NL Central title
Cardinals cannot be eliminated until Sunday for the Wild Card.

D-Backs trail Brewers by one game for second seed, Brewers need to win out since they lost season series to D-Backs.

AL races – Yankees and Tigers have clinched their divisions, Rangers (3), Red Sox currently lead Wild Card race over Rays and Angels

Angels can be eliminated from AL West on Friday at the earliest.

Angels and Rays can be eliminated from Wild Card on Saturday at the earliest.

Tigers and Rangers are tied for second seed, Texas needs to win out over Detroit since they lost season series.

Yankees magic number to clinch the best record is 3 over both the Tigers and Rangers.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 21, 2011 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

If season ended today

Yankees would host Rangers
Tigers would host Red Sox

Phillies would host D-Backs
Brewers would host Braves

by bhsportsguy on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was at the game tonight an its amazing how arrogant fans can become after winning a title for the first time in almost 60 years. I love sports but I hate how many fans have such little perspective.

by Bakofan on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I did not get that last night at all

of course I was surrounded by Real Wives of the South Bay.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 21, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

There were four Giants fans behind me, and a couple others around me. To make matters worse I went with a friend who is a Giants fan and he was talking shit the whole game. Usually he keeps it down because I just pull out the Laker card and he has no shot at any comebacks since he’s a Warriors fan.

I don’t like to trash talk very often though because I know how quickly things can change in sports, especially baseball.

by Bakofan on Sep 21, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

they reply with some crap like yeah, we have the same # of titles as the dodgers and are, as a franchise, have the most overall wins in MLB history. i tell them you won 5 in the 40s when there were 10 teams. what a joke these giants fans are.

by raj m on Sep 21, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

the Giants won titles in 1905 (Mathewson 3 shutouts), 1921 and 1922 (Played Yankees, series were played in Polo Grounds); 1933 (Carl Hubbell and Vin’s childhood favorite, Met Ott), and 1954 (Willie Mays) all in NY. They won their sole SF title last year.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 22, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it, but Giants fans are the worst. I picked up on that before I really went hard-core Dodger. I wonder sometimes if it’s just that way toward LA teams, or toward other teams, too.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 22, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some giants fans were pretty bad last night

I had a lot of satisfaction after the last outs in the 9th yesterday, lol.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

or

it is simply amazong how arrogant fans can be. Period.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never ours

TBLA remains arrogant free

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

and while we have no amazong

we do have our own little tribe of Amazons

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't know

I feel pretty arrogant sometimes

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

sometimes?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

ignorance is bliss

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it insane to get my hopes up for a better than mediocre free agent signing this offseason?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/major-offseason-signings-possible-for-dodgers.html

There have been a few things written that maybe the Dodgers could go after someone like Prince or Fielder or someone else. Brandon Phillips might be cool to get, who knows. Honestly, with the way the Dodgers are playing, with Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw playing at elite levels, with Sands and Dee showing why they were top prospects, with Loney coming back to life for the first time in 4 years (disputable for the 4 years part, i know he’s streaky), another big piece and maybe, just maybe, this team is a real contender next year.

/crazy

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:34 AM PDT reply actions  

The only free agent I see the Dodgers trying to Pick up is Aramis Ramirez

by Julio Nievas on Sep 22, 2011 4:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, I think Ramirez will be a target. But Brandon Phillips makes a good bit of sense with Uribe sliding over to 3B, gives us a pretty strong defense all around the infield. I just think Sands and Gordon inject a lot of energy into the lineup and will help to improve us over the long haul. I do hope Rivera and Gwynn are brought back as reserves.

by OB12 on Sep 22, 2011 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

i would love to see Brandon Phillips hitting second in a lineup of Dee, Phillips, Kemp, Ethier, Sands, Loney, Uribe, Barajas

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/jocketty-says-phillips-will-be-back.html

I would agree Aramis will be the focus because he would constitute a “big” signing, without breaking the bank

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phillips also said he’d be upset if they just picked up the option without extending him.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like they're trying to extend him

but Phillips won’t give a hometown discount, which may complicate matters.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers should trade

Ethier, Webster, Songco and Guerra for Phillips and Yonder Alonso

by BFDC on Sep 22, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yikes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on, that was good bait.

by BFDC on Sep 22, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would do this in a heartbeat

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only Phillips was actually under contract with the Reds next season…

by court168627 on Sep 22, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Team option. he will be one way or the other

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was gonna add that...

…but them picking up his option is not his call. No matter what, according to what Walt said, Phillips is not available next year (as a FA). Point taken though.

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

here's a direct link

to the Shakin article that discusses that.

Some good quotes there. Like this one from an “anonymous agent” (not Lozano or Boras)

The agent said he would not discourage any of his clients from signing a multiyear deal with the Dodgers, with the upside of the Los Angeles market and an end in sight to the team’s bankruptcy and long-running ownership saga.

“I don’t consider the Dodgers to be insolvent,” the agent said. "I consider the Dodgers to be mismanaged and in turmoil.

“I’d rather sign with the Dodgers than with a lot of other teams.”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Whatever happens with the club, it’s in everyone’s interest for the team to be competitive and not compromised in trying to operate,” said Michael Weiner, executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Assn., which, as co-chair of the bankruptcy creditors’ committee, represents the interests of every party to whom the Dodgers owe money.

I missed seeing who was named to the creditors’ committee, but it seems logical that the MLBPA would be on it.

Still, it would seem that it is in the existing creditors best interest for the Dodgers not to take on new debts, although they also can’t kill the revenue stream, at least any more than Frank has already polluted it.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Weiner, the union chief, suggested that a nine-figure player contract should not be viewed in the same light as a nine-figure loan. “If the Dodgers decide to sign a player to a long-term contract, from a bankruptcy perspective, there is a corresponding asset to go along with the liability,” he said. “You get the player’s services.”


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not like this guy

Michael Weiner, executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Assn.

doesn’t have a self interest in all teams being in on free agents.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously. Not sure who on the committee is the counterbalance to that. MLB itself? – they are owed the loan. Banks Frank owes money to?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

James Loney's OPS+ this year is now 109

His career cumulative OPS+ is 108. Which means his season to date is a tick better than his career norm. Whether the Dodgers tender him or not, you have to admire the man for hanging in there this season, given where he was two months ago.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 6:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Which makes me wonder...

why wouldn’t they tender him? Even if they want to make a strong push for Fielder, doesn’t Loney now have trade value?

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers, Pirates all will be without real 1Bs next year. Prince and Albert likely could take two of those slots, but if the Dodgers get Prince, there are three 1B-less teams. And that’s just the NL Central.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

One other thought – by tendering Loney, it would give the Dodgers a slight negotiating advantage in signing a free agent. Plan B would already be in place.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

it wouldn’t give them an advantage, but it’d give them a way to back out and not feel totally devoid of options.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right – maybe just an advantage psychologically to the Dodgers.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

only insomuch as “we’re not comfortable with where these negotiations have gone, we’re going to see if Loney can continue that hot streak”

the only way an in-house option grants leverage is if you’re the only team bidding

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loney has trade value

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is there a competitive team that would be improved if they had Loney?

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The rays had Kotchman (although at a much lower price) and they picked him up when he sucked

Loney is on the upswing right now, improving his OPS .100 or more points in just a month’s time, that’s incredibly impressive in the last month of the season. Loney will cost more, but the Rays started off a with a similarly bad 1B, so you never know.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

to be fair, it’s a helluva lot easier to go from .650 to .750 than say, .700 to .800 or from league average 1B to .900.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ain’t that easy you have to slug .669 over 40 games to make it happen if you wait until Aug to get going.

How many players in 2011 do you think have slugged > 600 over a 40 game period playing everyday?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know but I’d sure like to have someone tell me

I want to know

someone please tell me

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure more then that, but I’d also bet they were all what we would consider elite players. 40 games is now 25% of the season.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stop speculating and tell me!

I want to know this information

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m so late to the party, but I can’t believe this question hasn’t been answered!

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could easily see the Brewers trading for him when Fielder leaves.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure I can buy that, but does getting something back from the Brewers really count as trade value :)

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Teams will see how Loney has made adjustments and they would be interested, though the salary will be the problem.

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by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that much of problem.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure, but it will be “buy low” trade value

there is no “Loney Haul” to be had

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loney’s value isn’t at a low right now, though. Most teams won’t think Aug/Sept Loney is real Loney, so it won’t be at a high either. I expect that he will have about the value that his career numbers would indicate. He could yield something like a B-/C+ prospect or a similarly average-to-below major leaguer.

Using the Brewers as an example, he might yield someone like a Chris Narveson or Nyjer Morgan.

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by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

If James were cards

I think you value that suited 9 J much higher than I do

I don’t acquire that hand by putting value into the pot, I don’t challenge trade for that hand, I buy that hand on a significant discount or I let someone else bear the risk

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

The suited 9 J isn’t too bad, since I’m putting the Brewers on 8 10. But they might have a low pocket pair and have me beat.

OK, I’m just gonna let this metaphor die now. Mostly, value is relative. If someone else wants Loney, he has value.

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by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Moot point now, he ain’t going anywhere.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. Barring a cold front in Hades, resulting in Prince landing in L.A., there’s no reason to foresee they trade (or, at this point, non-tender) him.

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by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who does he have the most value for?

Us or some other team?

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

he’s a J7, suited in Snuggies.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both those guys have less service time than remaining than Loney.

You’re getting something that you couldn’t possibly care about.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus Morgan is at 4 WAR this year and Naverson is having as good of a season as Bills there’s zero way you could get those guys.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Narveson hasn’t been that good (I know, Bills hasn’t either). Morgan is extraneous to the Brewers with Corey Hart, Ryan Braun and Jordan Schafer. I fully expect they will trade him, presumably for a 1B, unless they want to try Schafer at 1B, which I guess is reasonable.

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by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why on Earth would you consider anyone expendable for Jordan Schafer?

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was confusing quotes I had heard about Jordan Schafer being Houston’s CF of the future with Logan Schafer on the Brewers.

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by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

OOPS! I blew that. Wrong Schafer.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah hit me that he wasn’t on the team.

Either way Morgan has been damn good this season and you can’t just sideline that for a 24 year old prospect.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Gomez probably would have been a more sensible choice, but he’s terrible.

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by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Combine him with TGJ we’d have the best defensive center field combo around not playing for the Angels.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still gaining a point a day. Remarkable this late in the year.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scratch Lance Berkman off the winter shopping list
The Cards and Berkman have agreed to a one-year contract extension, the Cards’ official Twitter feed reports. Even accounting for some regression, it’s hard for a one-year deal to go bad. This gives the team some short-term insurance in case Albert Pujols signs elsewhere, though Berkman could certainly replicate the job he did in right field this year again if Pujols returns.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

on it

Prince Fielder
Albert Pujols
Aramis Ramirez
Lance Berkman

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

why isn’t phillips on your list?

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's not available

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh i thought this was your general FA wish list.

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a 1B.


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ooops

Aramis is a 3B. Duh.


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phillips has an option which has a 100% chance of being exercised. Folks need to stop referring to him as a free agent.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

my list is short and simple

Kemp extension
Kershaw extension
Ethier extension
Pony

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you want an Andre extension?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think his knee had everything to do with not performing, and that we could get him for a couple years coming off a down year at a reasonable price and then get avlue on the return.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

So last year his fade from June – Sept was totally attributable to his pinky, and this year to his knee?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's been dealing with this knee thing since last year's spring training

they said it started when he hyperextended his knee during 2010 ST.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

So it did not bother him when he was putting up triple crown numbers, but after he broke his pinky and got a month off, it did?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

my guess

it got worse

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

So worse no work was done on it in the winter of 2011. Must of have been a real problem.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have Dre at his price and play Sands in left or right than have Sands in left or right and settle on a Thames/Gibbons platoon again.

Dre was a beast the first two months of this season until he got in a fight with a wall in Chicago. I expect offseason rest and health having something to do with that, and I think corrective surgery could restore that health. Plus, the rehab he’ll have to do for his knee is only going to make the rest of his body stronger and more stable.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

and

get his swing right

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we have the money to pay Andre 13 Million, Kuroda 8, and Loney 6 I have no problem with this in 2012. I’m just not sure I’m keen on extending him this winter until I see for sure that the knee was the problem and that he simply isn’t going Higginson on us. Not like we will get a discount if we extend him this winter.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

right, that’s my premise is I think we might be able to exchange stability coming off a down and injury year for a few million dollars of risk. If he doesn’t sign for like 36-40/3, it’s not worth it.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no reason to extend him now.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a reason to think about extending him now: he may be willing to take a 3-4 year deal. It is a gamble, because the production might not come back. Ethier might be afraid of the same thing and be willing to give up some of a big payday in order for some security.

But if you do not extend him and the production DOES come back, then you are competing with every other team for his services, and I have to believe that somebody out there would give him many years and many dollars.

I have been on the trade-Ethier bandwagon for a long time, but I’m seeing the light on the idea that it’s not all or nothing, that maybe they can hold on to him for a few more years without paying him to suck at age 36 and 37 and 38….

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you want a player who is not confident enough in his skills that he’d sign this contract?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, is his wife attractive?

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please do not use this to post pictures.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

she is a gymnast

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best retort ever

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Usually it’s Josie who wants that.


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

i see what you did there

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s my joke.


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

well I landed it, you abandoned the controls and figured autopilot would land : )

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought I left it with a deft subtlety, a solid joke that could still accommodate the follow-up hammer.


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sad to see that I am the first to rec this

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m ok with an Ethier extention, but it has got to be for drastically less money than those given to Kemp/Kershaw. Kemp Kershaw might approach 20 mill, I would want Ethier pretty close to 10 mill. Annually of course.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want a better economy

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I don’t think Ethier is worth a 13 mill per year salary. So if he wont sign for 3-4 years at 33-40 mill I don’t want him.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not Ethier, but if I were, no way would I sign that deal. I would take my chances in 2012 with the Dodgers and go for the big payday that offseason in FA.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, Eric is estimating that Ethier will get 13.5 million next year in arbitration, and his FA years would be worth more than that.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s probably closer to $12, what with the knee business. I just haven’t changed it.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or follow Brad Hawpe to the independent league.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

especially since you’ll be making $13-14 in arb. He’d only need a 20/2 deal after that to match the 33/3 deal Table offered.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh well, I was thinking of it as an extension. I was not including 2012.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

you could extend him at the value of his arb award, but then you’re looking at 3/40 (12 for 2012 and 14 for 2013/2014 free agent years, which would be a steal) or 4/55 which would be 12+14+14+15, which is closer to what he deserves

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that would be an overpay. Especially with his health and power currently in question. Even if he rebounds next year, I would call that an overpay.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then you should advocate trading him.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

That boat probably sailed with the lack of production and the knee surgery. Only teams with money are going to be interested at $12 Million to find out if Andre’s problem was knee related.

At the end of the day some people are advocating paying Andre as though he is an everyday player when the facts show he’s not. Knee or no knee the man cannot hit LHP enough to be in the lineup.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he rebounds, that’s a steal.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only 18 outfielders have ever been paid over 14 mill per season, those on the list are either much better than Ethier, or their contracts were huge flops.

1. Manny Ramirez, $22,500,000 (2009-10)
2. Ryan Braun, $21,000,000 (2016-20)
3. Carl Crawford, $20,285,714 (2011-17)
4. Manny Ramirez, $20,000,000 (2001-08)
5. Andruw Jones, $18,100,000 (2008-09)
6. Torii Hunter, $18,000,000 (2008-12)
. . . Ichiro Suzuki, $18,000,000 (2008-12)
. . . Vernon Wells, $18,000,000 (2008-13)
. . . Jayson Werth, $18,000,000 (2011-17)
10. Matt Holliday, $17,142,857 (2010-16)
11. Carlos Beltran, $17,000,000 (2005-11)
. . . Alfonso Soriano, $17,000,000 (2007-14)
13. Carlos Lee, $16,666,667 (2007-12)
14. Jason Bay, $16,500,000 (2010-13)
15. Magglio Ordonez, $15,000,000 (2005-09)
16. Ryan Braun, $14,550,000 (2011-20)
17. J.D. Drew, $14,000,000 (2007-11)
. . . Vladimir Guerrero, $14,000,000 (2004-08)

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

and even then, almost all of those were flops or injured for at least one year of their contracts

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Braun 1st time
Manny 1st time
Suzuki?
Holliday looking good so far
Beltran earned a good portion of that deal until 2010
Vlady sure earned his keep

but dang, lots of dreck when comparing production to cost.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus all those you listed are probably hall of famers. Ethier is not that.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure about Holliday HOF

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did say almost all

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just writing out loud as I worked down the list.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

and yeah, Beltran 2010 counts, just like Ichiro 2011 (maybe 2012) counts.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best Ethier comp I can think of off the top of my head is Nick Markakis. Markakis is being paid 11 mill annually from 2009-14. Sure Ethier has more power than him, but overall they are similar plus Markakis is younger.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Markakis also signed that deal super early compared to where Ethier is at.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The next bunch on the list is where I think Ethier belongs.

19. Johnny Damon, $13,000,000 (2006-09)
. . . Hideki Matsui, $13,000,000 (2006-09)
21. Bobby Abreu, $12,800,000 (2003-07)
22. Kosuke Fukudome, $12,000,000 (2008-11)
. . . Jose Guillen, $12,000,000 (2008-10)
. . . Aaron Rowand, $12,000,000 (2008-12)
25. Matt Holliday, $11,500,000 (2008-09)
26. Carlos Gonzalez, $11,428,571 (2011-17)
27. Nick Markakis, $11,016,667 (2009-14)
28. Jermaine Dye, $11,000,000 (2008-09)

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

but Fukudome and Matsui signed those deals after posting fees(?), Gonzalez/Markakis signed those way early in arbitration, Abreu signed his a long time ago, and Guiillen’s can be attributed to terrible Royals decision making.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

K well I like the comp to Markakis, Damon, Rowand, Dye.

But I’ll look around for better comps, there have got to be some.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damon I could see, but he was like 34 when he signed that deal, Markakis got $11 per year because it covered his arb years, Dye was a short term deal for an older player so I don’t think it plays.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul Konerko, $12,500,000 (2011-13)

Kevin Youkilis, $10,281,250 (2009-12)

Dan Uggla, $12,400,000 (2011-15)

Adam Dunn, $14,000,000 (2011-14)

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deals like these might work for Ethier, if he’s paid like Bay/Werth it would be a big blow to the Dodgers.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bay only got 4 years, I think that would be best case scenario.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunn was a free agent deal, so he’s out. Uggla would be a good comp, but he’s not coming off injury/down year and plays (poorly) a more difficult position to fill offensively. I think Konerko may have been a free agent deal.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think free agent deals are relevant. Ethier is going to want to be paid as much as possible or close to it, so to keep him the Dodgers will have to pay him almost as if he were a free agent no?

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

but he’s gettinga year at a sub-free agent price and Jason Bay had a great year and playoff success leading into the offseason. Dre will have to cover 1 arb year and 2-3 free agent years.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, I think whatever Josh Willingham gets this offseason might be a good comp for Ethier. Especially if he negotiates a contract with Oakland before hitting free agency.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe, but he’s also not negotiating to cover any arbitration years so he doesn’t have a hard starting point.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still not counting the arb year which is guaranteed. Just add the arb year on to the contracts I’m proposing.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay then take Dunn, it’s $12 for his arb year and $56 for the next four years, so either 68/5 or 54/4.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willingham isn’t going to get much. 8/24 would be good for him. JMO

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

24/3 Sorry

I just don’t think he’ll be in high demand, to many injuries.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that guy gets more than two years, and I’d be shocked if it’s from an NL team.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Willingham will top 3 years 30 mill with ease. In fact I would bet heavy money.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Injury history, no defense, a way increased strike out rate, makes me think people will stay away.

The guy has been salary dumped twice already.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of team want a bat, after Pujols/Fielder you got Pena, Ramirez, Beltran, and Willingham. Someone will pay.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

How heavy would you like to bet that money?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

by the time people go to pay for Willingham, they will have spent their money elsewhere and he’ll be looking around at a handful of 1 year deals. If you’re a team trying to land Pujols or Fielder and you miss, you’re going to wait a year and try to land the next big fish. Having Willingham for more than one year might preclude you from that.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Oakland resigns him so we won’t really be able to test this.

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The link compares Willingham, Ethier, Markakis

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only they had a GM perception stat you’d see that one is way lower then the others.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure they have similar numbers, but Markakis being way younger and his contract covering arb years can’t be ignored, just as Willingham being a free agent who struggles to get 1 year deals and Ethier being a two time All star with 1 more year of arbitration can’t be discredited.

Bottom line, if he signs for more than 12 per year, it’s a waste, if he signs for less than than and for 3 or fewer years, do it.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep (regarding Markakis)

The relevant details of Markakis’s deal, with respect to Ethier, are that his free agent years are $44 million for 3 years (plus an option which would push it to $59.5m for 4 years).

His final arb year was $10.25 million, but (a) he signed the deal two years earlier than Ethier in service time; and (b) he wasn’t a super two like Ethier.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams needed bats the last couple years and no one has been willing to outbid Emilio Bonifacio or Corey Brown.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the best hitters in the NL only got one year and 12. Maybe Andre should think about 3/36 for 2012 – 2014. I know Berkman is old but man based on other contracts I’d call that a bargain for the Cardinals.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

the best they ever had

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know Berkman is old

My finger is on my nose.

I think Ethier has got to be thinking Jayson Werth money. Whether that’s realistic or not, whether that’s a good comp or not, I can’t/won’t say, but it’s the comp I’d draw if I was making the case for him.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a jinx contained in there somewhere

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berkman can’t be used as a comp. He’s much older andwas set between retiring and returning on just a one year deal IIRC

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, plus he’s great and hasn’t been meh for 1,000 at bats.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

why can Berkman come back from a back injury and a year of suckitude but Andre can’t come back from a knee injury?

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can

Hope he does

I ain’t giving him a long term extension to find out if he does.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

the extension only makes sense if you get him for a decent discount. Talking 3 years 24mil and 8mil per year in games played incentives and performance bonuses.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on, you know guy who is about to rake in 12Million is not going to do anything close to that kind of a deal. Andre has a chip, taking a low salary will not feed that chip, he will want to be paid.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Berkman could certainly replicate the job he did in right field this year again

I wouldn’t count on a "replication" of a NL-leading 169 OPS+ at age 36, but that is definitely a good move by the Cards.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

More than Carpenter per year?

$10M + some incentives.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

and I’m guessing a couple mil deferred

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

shorter term deal, i assume a bit higher annual value since he probably could have gotten 2-3 years elsewhere

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

At age 36? Maybe, maybe not. He also seems seriously disinclined to look elsewhere, so that may not have been much of a lever for jacking out more dough.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

RIght, it does depend a lot on how much he wanted. Who knows, maybe they settled on the same deal he got this year.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depending on how much

That’s a great extension for them.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since Sept 17th

when Eric posted his same as he ever was column

This season, even after his hot streak, Loney is 22nd out of 24 qualified first basemen with a .314 wOBA.

Loney has climbed one spot to 21 out of 25, I guess one more 1st baseman qualified since then.
His wOBA was .314, in only four games he has moved that from .314 to .327
12 for 19

The real streak is now bordering unbelievable:
.390 .458 .669 1.127

As hot as Jim has been in the past, I doubt we can find any streak where he posted a slug% > .600 over a 40 game period.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

For Ref I’m starting this on Aug 7th where his OPS was .612 when he entered play, and it is now .752

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's insane in a month and a half time span

You’d rarely see the top hitters in the game improve like that this late in the season.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

David Ortiz a couple of years back?

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

rarely

I know it happens. Pujols has done it this year, though he started off much earlier.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because they were already good to begin with.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

you have two opposing forces in making a move like that, one helps you and the other hurts

If you shit the bed badly enough early, it makes moving it up later that much easier, yet with each additional at bat, shitting the bed early gets harder to improve

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can say that

But i’d still be interested to see how many players have improved their OPS .130+ points in 40 games from August on. If it’s easier to bring a really low number to average levels (which i know it is), I’d like to see how many bad hitters have done it pretty recently. I’m sure that would make for a short and interesting list.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is insane

I am not enough of a statistician to understand what this kind of outlier of performance really means

I suspect that this is not in the expected range of standard deviation from his norm – and that is an understatement

the power numbers make this not a BABIP string

something is happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear

stay true James, be changed

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody look what’s going down.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

wise beyond your years

cages Friday or Saturday?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Friday I work until 4, but we could go afterwards. Otherwise I’m busy from about 10am and won’t be back until 4 or 5 (CSUDH Baseball is having a fundraiser Luau at 2pm). If we can fit it in around that, I’d love to go.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is ridiculous hot.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp is at 7.8 fWAR and over 9 bWAR

The closest players in the NL for fWAR are tied at 6.9.

MVP, MVP, MVP!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

you forgot pitchers

halladay is like 8.0

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant position players

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

b-ref war

also has Kershaw not too far from Halladay

:)

by shaqfor3 on Sep 22, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loney is now tied for our 3rd best position player based on fWAR this year at 1.9

Amazing.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Sands and Gordon both at 0.6 WAR

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sands has a Penceian quality about him in the outfield

he is without grace and takes really strange routes

yet he is much more of an athlete than my eyes give him credit for

I am not sure what to do with these feelings

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

put the leaf in the stream and see how far it floats

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

i really don't want to get my hopes up

but if loney is into something and carries into next season, it turns out the knee was Andre power problem and Sands is legit this could be a pretty nice team.

by XXDC2XX on Sep 22, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

if all those ifs are true, this team is well beyond pretty nice

all of those stars line up, that is a playoff roster

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly all the ifs are never true.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

fine only Ethier and Sands

we are going to need Fielder to play 1st anyway

by XXDC2XX on Sep 22, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not so sure about that

See: Giants, San Francisco, 2010

but yeah, mostly you hit about 60% of the ifs at any given time if you ifs are based in reality

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, dumb luck alone can mean a 20 game swing.

My general rule is that if you have more than two ifs trouble’s a brewin’.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

My rule of forecasting revenue

take 100% of what we should get for each revenue stream

assume 40% of that 100% will drop off

assume zero upside

= beat your number every year yet never seem like you are sandbagging

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like to see how you manage that, most of any roster is built on if’s.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every team has them sure, but if you have a stable core to go along with your ifs it helps a lot.

If you’re hoping for a lot of prospects breaking out, constantly injured guys being healthy, or comeback years just to have a solid set of players it’s probably not gonna happen.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly – especially if both Loney and Ethier are rested rested more frequently against lefthanders..

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

which makes me wonder

if Loney starts today

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe the plan is Juan Rivera to give each of those guys spells against lefties

that way you only have one middle of the order out against a LH starter

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe both – Sands/Rivera for Loney/Ethier.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

then you have Jerry Sands starting 40 games a year.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

And you still don’t have a LF.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

More seriously – Russ Mitchell at first.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

you’d have to do a start Rivera in LF, Dre in RF and Loney at 1B against RHP, Rivera in LF, Sands at 1B/RF, and Ethier/Loney/token righty at the opposite of Sands. Either way, you end up playing Ethier everyday regardless and hope for the best, Mitchell isn’t an option.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, plus whatever time Jerry spends in left field.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

no

I am going tonight and I want to see Loney!!!!!!!

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Enough to make up for Matt Kemp’s regression?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

there is nothing remotely ok about this comment

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

So apparently

that Marlin logo we saw was legit; just the logo though, not the wordmark. Also confirmed, the Blue Jays are returning to their old logo next year.

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

the wordmark was the worst part about it

so thats good

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like both the blue jays logos

but I’m down with retro

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

the new one invited too much black into their uniform, so I hate it for that reason. And it’s all futurefied with the biker blue jay

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes

the Jays are an appealing team except for those damned Uni’s. They look like police officers from some dystopian 90’s sci fi flick

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 22, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as that awful stencil font stays gone, the bird was nice enough.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

its not 100 percent identical

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

love the left one. Logo of my childhood

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I think a lot of the newer logos are really tacky and that we’ll look back on them in 20 years with disgust. That being said, I might be the only person in America that LOVES the new Marlins logo.

by court168627 on Sep 22, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

you should look at some of the 70s logos. Whoo doggy, basically just copy and paste from the funny pages : )

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty goofy stuff. I’m mainly thinking of the old padres logo.

by court168627 on Sep 22, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

updated for these modern times : ) I like it, the colors are more contrasting, and it’s less cluttered with no baseball and a bigger leaf

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bird is a little less cartoony and a bit sleeker too, but defeinitely preferable to the current thing.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. This was one of the rejected ones:

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 22, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

oo

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 22, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he screaming because someone pulled the maple leaf off of his ear?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we quantify how much Donnie loves Juan Rivera? Can words express it?

I must say, I have enjoyed him. He rarely frustrates me. I feel like I “get” what he is doing when he is doing it. I like that very much

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah

I’m definitely on the bring-him-back bandwagon. At worst, he’s a power-threat from the bench and occasional starter.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

BH - if you are watching

London restaurant recs coming to your inbox shortly

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Amen!

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, definitely a situation where we got a pitcher that consistently outperformed expectations.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Kuroda, been a real favorite of mine

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell Yeah!

Let’s go Hiro!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

But, he has such a look of awe and admiration at all our comments!

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep – no matter where he winds up next year, you really have to admire the guy for hanging in there.

by latenite on Sep 22, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even I had one foot off the wagon, and was beginning to doubt he still had any value. Then came August…….

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

going to be 95 here, people driving from the Valley to the game are going to be underdressed.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

was in the low 60’s last night when I landed at LAX

Kids, always pack a sweater or jacket to DS!

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was the first Dodger item I bought with my own money

Wore shorts and a tshirt to a night game. My mom said I should bring a jacket/sweatshirt. As usual, I didn’t listen. About the 4th inning, I was the proud new owner of a white Dodger hoodie.

Kids, always listen to your mom!

by Greg Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

subtle humor, hope at least one person gets it

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I got it

Just didn’t know I was the only blind one

by Greg Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Greg is Ray Charles, I am Stevie Wonder, and Kelly is the less-famous sightless musician of the family.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blind Melon Chitlin'

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Prince has had three months in 2011 where his Slug% was below .500

One huge hot streak: 41 games from May 29th – July 14th
323 .467 .638 1.106

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t see the Prince for MVP being justified. Braun definitely has a case, and Pujols is sneaking into one, especially if the Cardinals catch the Braves, but I still think Kemp deserves it and will get it.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your biggest nightmare must be a Dodger team with Prince at 1st and Jeter at SS. Who else would make up this infield?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really hate Prince, but am afraid of him going Mo Vaughn. If he signs with the Dodgers, I know he’d go Mo. The 2B and 3B would have to be… any of those shortstops that the Angels play everywhere — Aybar, Mice-eater, Collapse-o (but not Kendrick).

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should check some of Pujols' hot streaks

for about 2-3 months I think he OPSed 1.100 as well.

Braun and Fielder are such beasts though.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scavenger Hunt

Find me a NL player in 2011 who has been able to manage an OPS over 1.100 in at least a 40 game stretch who is not considered an elite baseball player at this moment. I’m checking on Ryan Roberts

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Loney has to be pushing that right now I’d think.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya think:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

.390 .458 .669 1.127

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

Now why the hell can’t he do that over a full season?

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

very few players do, in history

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I endorse this search!

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

44 Games
.349 .385 .664 1.049
From April 25th – June 15th

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

close

on the OPS

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

dude hits the ball hard

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Joyce, 44 games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=joycema01&t=b&year=2011&share=1.05#190-233-sum:batting_gamelogs

.410/.460/.729 from 4/14 to 6/2.

Wow.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have to look at monthly

leaders to get clues on who to look for

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah that's what I've been doing

Some players are in the mid .900s, but very few not huge named players are above 1.000.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jhonny Peralta (SS)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=peraljh01&t=b&year=2011&share=1.67#1009-1070-sum:batting_gamelogs

.354/.396/.632 – 1.028 for 62 games from 5/6 to 7/23

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

This one might be more impressive than any already put on here

Because he is a SS and he did his for 62 games.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice but not > 1.100

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s times like this I want access to the STATS database that MLB teams have access to. Can do searches with all sorts of variables.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Avila

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=avilaal01&t=b&year=2011&share=3.98#218-257-sum:batting_gamelogs

40 games 7/25 to 9/9 with .355/..449/.617 1.066 OPS

Beast

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Should be considered elite after this year.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mike "Vernon Wells" Napoli

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=napolmi01&t=b&year=2011&share=3.36#555-613-sum:batting_gamelogs

Absolutely unreal the last 59 games he has played. .389/.471/.702 – 1.173 OPS

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Hosmer

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=hosmeer01&t=b&year=2011&share=2.46#95-122-sum:batting_gamelogs

I know it’s only a 28 game stretch, but still incredibly impressive for the rookie.

.398/.416/.653 1.069 OPS

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp’s followthrough is one of the greatest sights to see on the Dodgers. It’s right up there with Dee running the bases.

Nothing can top the sight of Kershaw taking the mound every fifth day though.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s the reverse Babe Ruth: pointing to where the ball will land AFTER he hits it.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s basically the anti-Steiner. You know the ball is gone when he holds that follow through. Pretty neat.

by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope this makes it into MLB the Show 13. It is one of my favorite things to see, and it is entirely unique, and it’s subtle without really “showing up the pitcher” because he starts running immediately when he does it

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure...

…I could have fit in 16 more "and"s if I wanted to. What a maroon

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cheaters
David Wright (3B) NY-N 9/22/2011
Wright, who has just five of his 14 home runs this year and has struggled since the Mets have moved to Citi Field, could be the primary beneficiary if the team moves in the fences next season, as has been discussed, Newsday reports. The tentative plan appears to involve adding an additional eight-foot fence in front of the current concrete wall in leftfield, with five to 10 feet of space that could include additional seating within the two barriers. The distance to center will remain 408 feet, but the power alleys will be shorter, and the Mo Zone in right will be framed off by another fence, creating a bigger picnic area beneath the overhanging upper deck. Wright, who usually drives the ball from gap-to-gap, could see a spike in his home runs in 2012 if these plans copme to fruition.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

reyes must be glad to be gone

won’t be able to get as many triples anymore

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

i like how they mention new seats in a half empty stadium also

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Moore making his first start today against the Yankee’s. I’d watch this.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I am definitely going to watch.

by BFDC on Sep 22, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

2 SOs for him in the first

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even Eric might have to jump on the Pat Burrell is a douche bandwagon
Pat Burrell (OF) SF 9/21/2011
Burrell (foot) is only interested in playing for the Giants if he plays in 2012, the San Jose Mercury News reports. Burrell is trying to play through a painful foot injury that will ultimately require career-ending surgery. That sort of limits his long-term viability.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s from San Jose, so I’m pretty sure it’s just a close-to-home thing. But eff him anyway.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Career-ending surgery on his FOOT?

Don’t ever that every day.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit those Yankees MLB Playoffs hats are fucking terrible.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I know if I were a Yankee fan, I’d consider making the playoffs a major fucking milestone

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least they feel superior having actually won something

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yankees fans should have stormed the field.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

aren't all of the playoff teams hats like that?

just with a different team symbol

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never saw the Phillies ones. Had no idea. So bad.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

pretty sure they did the same thing last year too

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

so it’s a MLB PLAYOFFS hat, any team branding is incidental. And by god, I’m remember growing up, dream I was the first female pitcher to throw in the MLB Playoffs. What a dream.

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

They kinda look like those terrible Raiders hats that NWA used to wear.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except those were great

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

those were a whole NFL thing, right? That was the official cap for awhile

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

that style was for all sports. i used to have a ucla hat like that and a hartford whalers hat.

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Back then we had one style of hat, one style of sports poster (Sports Illustrated), and we loved it!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

These

And they were not great.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Ice Cube one is the one I was thinking of, and I liked that one. But it was all we had.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dr. Dre looks like a valet attendant and I’m not sure if that’s Ice Cube or Eriq LaSalle from Coming to America.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man

those guys were young

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuck easy for not ever wearing the raider hat.

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

He got his

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

yellas bo jackson shirt is nice.

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why

are the guys on the ends wearing Penguin’s Frozen Yogurt caps?


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss penguins

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got fired from a Golden Spoon in Corona Del Mar.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

too many free samples?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I called in sick, then our stupid surfer roommate didn’t cover for me. I was probably drunk on the beach playing wiffle ball.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

hah

nice

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are still some around.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

haven’t seen one in ages. I guess Golden Sppons muscled them out of my area

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only see (Color) (Fruit) and build-it-yourself places these days.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

when the yogurt market crashes

it’ll be golden spoon who survives. Mark my words

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

None in your area. South Bay, Marina, Westwood, Northridge, etc.


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by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to work at a Penguin’s.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

What comes next for champagne celebrations

I’m sure the whole “champagne on ice” thing started with players actually, you know, drinking the champagne. But baseball players being baseball players, someone started spraying it everywhere, and that became the fun tradition.

But 50 years later, its become beyond old, its become practiced. Guys filling super soakers with bubbly, gearing up with goggles and masks like they are entering a paint ball competition. Can we not find something a little more creative?

I sort of liked the Rangers celebrating with near beer and Martinelli’s in honor of Hamilton, at least there was sort of a difference. And lets face it, since little of it is drunk anyway, whether you are spraying sticky sweet carbonated apple juice on your bro, or sticky carbonated fermented grape juice, does it really matter?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 22, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

since little of it is drunk anyway

I don’t believe that

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

and the practice might be 50 years old, but the practice isn’t old for the players who get to do it (well, maybe for some of the Yankees)

really, we all grow up playing this game, loving this game, and hoping for that moment

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point, I do forget that

If you have waited for that moment, it would be a shame to miss out on that fun you have been waiting for.

I always loved Russell Martin and Kemp and others running back on the field to douse the fans back in ’08. I know other teams had done that, but I thought that was a great moment.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 22, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Cuban wasn’t going to give his guys rings for the title, but something else “next level,” and they responded in unison, “Eff that ess. We wants the preciousssssss.” Old traditions are beloved.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I get that

I mean the ring is what has been talked about in all three major sports as proving you have “made it” Its the only thing you as an individual get to keep.

But the whole production of the champagne tradition seems tired. Like say, the gatorade bath for the coach? Who is going to be the guy creative enough to do something different?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 22, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

We give him heavy fines and a 15 yard penalty.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose the tradition the '86 Mets tried to start

Of doing lines of coke never really caught on, so there is that.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 22, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

gammons

I know nobody really cares what he has to say, but Gammo was on Dan Patrick this morning and he basically said Kemp should be MVP, which caught me by surprise. Good on you Pete.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 22, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Gammons just likes to stir the pot

I sort of feel like if he says it, its so that he can stand out and promote himself.

Does he really believe this? Maybe. Will it ultimately make a difference? Probably not.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 22, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLB tiebreaking procedure for a three-way tie for one spot

in the LA Times:

Under baseball’s intricate tie-breaking formula, if three clubs tie for a division title or wild card with identical winning percentages, the tie is broken by designating the clubs as “A,” “B” and “C,” with selection of those designations based on the clubs’ records against one another, and playing tie-breaking games as follows:

Club A would host Club B on Thursday, Sept. 29. The winner of the A/B game would then host Club C on a date to be determined, most likely on Friday, Sept. 30. The winner of the A/B-vs.-C game would be declared the division champion or wild-card winner.

The Rays are a combined 16-10 against the Red Sox and Angels, so they would choose whether they wanted to be team A, B or C. The Red Sox are a combined 12-14 against the Rays and Angels, so they would get the second pick, and the Angels are a combined 6-10 against the Red Sox and Rays, so they would get the third pick.

It would seem logical that the Rays would choose to be team C; that way, they would only have to win one game against the Red Sox/Angels winner to gain the wild card. However, by choosing to be team C, they would give up home-field advantage for that one game.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I am, of course, rooting for this chaos.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am just rooting against the Placentia Angels of Cerritos and, to a lesser extent, the Sox.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love it

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would the Rays give up home field?

They have the best record of the three head to head so wouldn’t that give them home field by default?

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have to win one game instead of two.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that one game would be played at Tropicana Field wouldn’t it? Hence the HFA.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, the team that plays one game doesn’t get to play at home.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well that’s kind of stupid.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

it makes lots of sense

its already a huge advantage.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It should still be played at home

That’s why they look at head to head matchups now. The Rays played the Sox and Angels better than those two teams played the others. I understand that only playing one game is a big advantage, but still. Doesn’t seem right to me.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The overwhelming advantage is to only have to win one game instead of two.

It would be absolutely absurd to give a team that tied for the wild card more of an advantage over the teams they tied with than the advantage a division winner gets over a wild card winner in the playoffs themselves.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Angels at Red Sox

Winner hosts Rays.

Chaos.

by Alex41592 on Sep 22, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will be there
Winner hosts Rays.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re going to Boston? : )

by Alex41592 on Sep 22, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would really want to for this one
Angels at Red Sox

but no way I can take time off next week :(. I’ve actually been trying to go to Fenway with my pops and bro for a few years.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

i saw my favorite team, the Los Angeles Dodgers play there. it was wicked fun.

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Potential Angels scenario

Wed: host Texas
Thu: at Fenway
Fri: host Rays
Sat: at Bronx

Not to mention it would push back both ALDS, which are slated to start Friday.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then they can all get to meet Sam Elliott just like george Clooney did in that movie.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus nobody in the AL would have a clue where they’re playing until that game ended.

I love it.

by Alex41592 on Sep 22, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the best part!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pitching

Wed: Weaver
Thu: Jerome Williams
Fri: Haren (3 days rest)

ALDS v. NYY
Sat: Santana (3 days rest)
Sun: Weaver (3 days rest)
Mon: Williams
Tue: Haren (3 days rest)
Thu: Santana

Then have Weaver lined up for Game 1 of the ALCS on Saturday, October 8, with the Haren and Santana in line behind him

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

will Haren be able to pitch

after taking liner off the wrist?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

if the Angels Rangers and Boston all have the same record but Tampa finishes below them.

Rangers auto clinch and Angels play Boston?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Angels and Rangers would play for the division Thursday, and loser would play Red Sox for the wild card Friday

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like the first one better because it makes Boston sweat more. And they stink when they sweat.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

if there is a 4 way tie

rangers play angels, then the losers play winner of boston tampa?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not completely sure

other than I know Rangers would have to play the Angels for the division. I think the loser would then fall into the A, B, C scenario from above.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. I think the Rangers would play the Angels, to determine the AL West champ, and the loser of that would play the three-way round robin with boston and tampa to determine the WC.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wait… you might be right, since the Rays would surely pick to be Team C….

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

what if the rangers

are actually the ones who get to choose?! bum bum bum!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think just due to time constraints

they would do the way I asked. That and rewards a team for tying within their division.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's weird

There are a shitload of scenarios covered, including a four-way tie, but that’s for one spot only (which would go your way; they draw for A, B, C, D; A plays B, C plays D, winner gets the spot)

I still think it would have to be this:

Thursday: Angels play Rangers for AL West; loser then subject to the A, B, C ranking based on head-to-head with other Rays & Red Sox
Friday: A hosts B
Saturday: winner of A/B hosts C for the wild card

ALDS start Sunday, everything gets pushed back two days. Chaos.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would pay to watch this

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

How epic would that Rangers collapse be?

Totally epic, mondo epic, or uber epic?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Keith, if you are around, just know you have an extra Arkansas fan this week.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

We need em. Gonna have a really hard time beating Bama….@Bama with 3 Freshmen starting on the Oline.

In other news, my boss bet me lunch that Bama would beat us by 21.

by keithc13 on Sep 22, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

More historical badness from Ben Badler:


Other than Otis Nixon (.030) in 1991, Ben Revere’s isolated power (.034) is the lowest of any OF with at least 400 PAs in the last 90 years

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

and we said if you ain’t got mojo nixon, than your store could use some fixin

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Velez’s would be over 400 PA.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Revere’s ride is truly historic.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah

the great Otis Nixon. He and Enos Cabell are a pair to draw to.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Otis Nixon

The oldest looking ballplayer of all time.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 22, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eddie Harris disagrees.

:)

by keithc13 on Sep 22, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Fossas just sent me a letter

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 22, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way Taylor catches more than 100 games.

by keithc13 on Sep 22, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ned would still sign him over Ellis.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Minnie Minoso looked pretty old. Also, he was old.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

My brother and I used to call him Jobu because we thought he looked like a carved tiki idol

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

baldwin (:
Dickson (:

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool to see them ranked so highly

Is that a new thread for everyone to post in or are we staying in here?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yonder Alonso has been beast in 41 games this year

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2530&position=1B/OF

.341/.413/.573. Hey, would you look at that, he is like Loney ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Jeez it died in here

I’m in a dead thread aren’t i, lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

its

“do a bunch of work before lunch” time

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

When Was The Last Time This Happened

And has it ever happened to a mediocre team?

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

red x

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp and Kershaw are 1-2 in WAR for the NL

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah

that is awesoke

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sooo close in 1988. Hershiser was 4th, Gibson 1st.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

what site is this from?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's amazing

Even moreso that FWAR is completely different for Kemp, kershaw, and Doc.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I had an interesting night.

Got a call at 9:00 from my girlfriend that she had been hit by a car while riding her bike. So I got to drive 45 minutes from Santa Fe (state legislature stuff) to Albuquerque to sit in an ER room until almost 5 in the morning. Luckily, she has no major damage. A bump on her head, banged her knee and ankle but no brain damage, no broken bones, just a lot of bumps and bruises.

I just woke up from getting back to her apartment at just before 5 in the morning.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah she is. She’ll just be limping around for awhile.

This (FINALLY) convinced her to wear a helmet while riding her bike.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

My dad crashed and hit his head once, helmet saved his life and made it so he just broke his collarbone. I’ve worn my helmet ever since.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear that man.

Thoughts and prayers.

Glad she is okay.

by keithc13 on Sep 22, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good news

Hope she was wearing a helmet. And if not, will wear one in the future. My brother-in-law just about killed himself last weekend on his bike when the chain broke. He wasn’t wearing a helmet and now has a nice grapefruit sized bump on his head.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok, ok

I’ll start wearing a helmet

damn

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did the driver just take off or at least stay to help/call 911?

I’m glad to hear she got off relatively unscathed.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Driver stayed, called 911. Now we have to go find her bike at the campus police station.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s good at least.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

That IS good and I am glad she's okay hop. That is really scary

(as a bicyclist myself).

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 22, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

x

We went by and got her bike from the campus police a couple of hours ago. Frame was bent right behind the fork so bad that the front wheel won’t even fit under the frame anymore.

You can kind of see it here

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

glad she is ok, scary shit

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

shit

that sucks. My wifes friend was hit by a car and killed while riding his bike at night a few years ago :-/

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn. Its scary stuff, people just don’t see the bikes coming.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

glad she's ok

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel her pain

I was in an one-car accident on September 1. I blacked out, left the road, t-boned a tree, and spent five nights in the hospital. Four broken ribs and an injured eye. The doctors discovered why I blacked out, I’ll be fine, even drove for the first time yesterday, but it’s still terrifying to think that I easily could have hurt someone else.

On a happier note (sponsor alert) I have to drink two liters of Powerade per day for the foreseeable future.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 22, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad they found the problem
Glad you didn’t hurt yourself
Glad you didn’t hurt anyone else

Always worried about the ole heart attack / stroke / Aneurysm while driving. Worried is to strong a word but once in a while I think about it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Seat belts and air bags, they are good things.

"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 22, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I second Phil’s gladness. Hope your vision has returned to normal as well.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, didn’t know that. Hope everything’s OK.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow LBB. Just reading this. Glad you’re okay.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad she’s ok, scary stuff. Plus ER waiting rooms suck.
/callback


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

She bypassed the ER waiting room this time. Otherwise we might still be there.

I got to the hospital like at 8:50 and when I left at about 4:50 a lot of the same people were there.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the same night Kemp received the 2011 Roy Campanella Award, the National League MVP contender inspired the hell out of a pitch in the fifth inning off Ryan Vogelsong, a towering drive into the pavilion in left center field.

I lol’d

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Sweet. Somebody read it :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Im only here for the comments

:)

by keithc13 on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is excellent.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

anyone see the details of Berkman's new deal

1/$12

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Seems like a Pujols isn’t coming back kinda move.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love it when a plan comes together.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gary- just in case you didn't check out your post

I can come tomorrow.. woohoo!

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

sweet, i just called and reserved two lanes, so it should be fine.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome, thanks :-)

Looking forward to meet you and others..

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just as long as I can wake up and catch a matinee of moneyball on Saturday

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Don’t think this has been linked yet, but Kemp took the Fangraphs writers vote for NL MVP.
Kershaw got pulverized by Halladay in the Cy Young vote, but it came with an admission that Kershaw will likely win the actual vote.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fangraphs-staff-awards/

by court168627 on Sep 22, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Sounds good, but Fangraphs voters being that close on Kemp and Braun doesn’t give me much hope in the real ballot.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two Broke Girls is pretty terrible.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

the billboard for the show on olympic in century city

is going to get me in a car accident. to say its suggestive is an understandment. <3 u kat dennings.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say I would stop watching :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

but I like the one with the big cans!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

[x] Why whatever do you mean

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Would have lost money; thought Dave posted this

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beat him to it! :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

those are just two "girls"

and they aint broke

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If they ain’t broke don’t fix ’em.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m a fan long before I saw this photo.

But WOW

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

she has caked on makeup covering the stretch marks

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

DAMN YOU REALITY

theres also leaked cell phone pics of the scarjo variety out there if you choose to brave the world of google

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

From this pic, facially, a little bit Maddz?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of horrible CBS shows

i watched 2.5 men because i liked sheen’s character. so i watched the opener knowing this would be closure and i would probably never watch again. of course it was horrible. can someone explain to me the kutcher appeal? what demographic like this guy?

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

women

reading an article in the LAT today – only 40% of TV viewers are men

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s time t obring back Spin City

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

believe Charlie Sheen took over

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we are stumbling on a theme here

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Restart Spin City with new Free Agent Sheen back in the lead role with what I’m sure is still a smokin hot Heather Locklear

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

a relatively hot for her age

is what I am sure you meant to write

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

She’s probably almost 50, and I bet she’s smokin hot

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

She turns 50 on Sunday.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

is she smokin hot?

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cougars.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know for a fact that they also enjoy Dodger games

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

or the men who go to Dodger games

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

like a victim of abuse, I can still feel their hands all over my body

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Such a great story you guys have for that game. Classic.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish you were there – all stories will fail to capture the madness

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was intrigued how Craig got everyone’s phone numbers with his “cooking class” bit.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted as little hard evidence as possible and no connections back to me

I thought that a bold move on his part

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rich, tall, good looking, confident, sense of humor, I’m guessing he has a demographic.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

i guess i don’t know what women like

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

How did they get Sheen out of the show

What happened to his character?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

implied to be killed by a woman he proposed to and then cheated on

not exactly a noble death for ole charlie.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

as in fiction, so shall it be in real life as far as nobility and Mr. Sheen

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

They must have been pissed at him, hahah

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

well and it’s just not funny. Nothing humourous about that death

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

better then a dream, ain’t that right Bobby?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t follow

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

not you

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

before your time, they once screwed the pooch so bad on Dallas they decided the whole prior year was simply a dream. Main character was Bobby.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

they then parodied it

on the Simpsons when Mr. Burns was shot.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roseanne's finale had her like waking up from a day dream

and she was making up false memories of a family and dan was actually dead. That’s from what I remember reading anyway. Sounds depressing as hell.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont remember the finale

by delias man on Sep 22, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had stopped watching before that final season.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was standard “turn the lights out on the diner” kind of stuff, but I don’t really remember it.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I may be remembering something else

I’m starting to think what I said isn’t correct at all, lol.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

you are on point

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most surreal of all is the season’s final episode, in which Roseanne reveals the show is actually a story written by Roseanne Conner about her life. To cope, Roseanne twisted major elements of her life for the story, which the audience does not find out until the final moments of the series. In reality, Dan’s heart attack was fatal. The Conner family did not win the lottery. She also mentions in real life, her sister is a lesbian and her mom is actually straight.15 Another notable reality difference is David and Becky were a couple and Mark and Darlene were a couple, rather than the opposite.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. Totally forgot all about that.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most final seasons suck, but I sure did enjoy the show for a while.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scrubs had a great finale

and an amazing final season in season 8 of what SHOULD have been the final season. Screw season 9 of Scrubs.

It’s one of my all-time favorites, the finale that is.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I missed some of the ABC season, but I loved Scrubs.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you saw the finale, if not at least the last 10 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uduAw8FqrBA

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I hadn’t seen that before

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

season 8 really wasn't that great

I like the direction they took it, but most of the jokes where way played out. The new interns helped keep things more fresh. I still enjoyed it, but I was glad they didn’t try to continue with the same cast for another season.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't really go higher then good

but the finale really was excellent

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best Final Episode Ever was.......

The last episode of ‘Newhart’, when Bob wakes up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette (his wife in the ‘Bob Newhart Show’ nearly a decade earlier) and finds his time in New England at the bed and breakfast was all a dream.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

My uncle’s partner wrote that episode.

by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Person dropper!

That would have been easier if you had mentioned a name, lol

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha. his name is Mark Egan. He was big time as a writer for a while and did the show Alice and a lot of Newhart episodes.

by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet

he made a nice living

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya. They’ve had some awesome homes over the years.

by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved watching the show Alice.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mel’s Diner?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The main setting for the show, yep.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everytime I drive through SF and see Mel’s Diner I think of that show. I’m surprised you didn’t like Grace Under Fire, kind of the same woman.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had more options by the time Grace Under Fire was on, and I only have eyes for one Brett Butler.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brett Butler

the comedienne, is legendarily bat-shit crazy

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

the one on Ventura? Or are there others? Been to the one on Ventura twice now, very unimpressed.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a chain now. There’s one on frickin’ Hollywood Boulevard!

It’s not very good, but like most diners, they serve a variety of things, meaning a large group can all find something they can be mostly unsatisfied with.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m like the fan who doesn’t embrace sabremetrics, not knowing what real good food is allows me to enjoy all the mediocrity the world has to offer.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i feel this way sometimes too

it also saves me a lot of money.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ditto, Mr. Lamar!

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's one

on Ventura by my office too. But I’ve not b een there

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

same one i was talking about, i highly recommend against it unless it’s 2am, you’re wasted, and can’t decide what you want to eat.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked the original Scrubs ending but then they ruined it by having it go for another season.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

all of Two and a Half men

is a delusion by the son, and will be revealed by him shaking a snowglobe.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was that St. Elsewhere?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe so, little autistic boy with a snow globe. And there’s that one where the couple wakes up in bed and it was all a dream

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bob Newhart

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I was just trying to think of too

Didn’t they win the lottery in the last episode?

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That one was funny, cause he woke up on his previous show. I laughed pretty hard, but my parents almost died of laughter.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ending to Newhart was classic.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes sir

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Charlie Sheen Roast had some solid, solid jokes. One was from Anthony Jeselnik (hilarious dude) saying something along the lines of, “The only reason you [Sheen] is on TV is because God hates Michael J. Fox”.

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked

“You’re just like Bruce Willis. You were both big in the 80s, and now Aston Kutcher is filling your old slot”

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was great

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charlie Sheen did enough coke to kill two and a half men.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was Amy Schumer

She had a pretty vicious joke on Steve O about Ryan Dunn that Steve O did not even crack a smile to. And this was the guy who got his nose broke by Tyson because he “wanted a black eye”

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Schumer absolutely killed her set. And it seemed like everyone in the room except Steve O. liked the Ryan Dunn joke.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of black funeral dresses for whores apparently

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah and it hits a little too close to home

/unemployed
/economy
/riches to rags
/rant done.

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

according to Ken Levine, Two Broke Girls featured three cum stain jokes

Chuck Lorre is a no talent hack, but Charlie Sheen is still crazy

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

color me old fashioned, but I want my cum humor on after 10PM or on the play channels or not at all

really, a whole world of funny out there without going to cum stains

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ken Levine
“Would our failed pilot with Kat Denning and Aaron Paul now be in the sixth year of production if we only had thrown in a couple of cum stain jokes? And there were places for ‘em. There always are. But we took the high road. We like to think we’re good enough comedy writers that we can make people laugh without having to resort to lines like, “Gee, I sure hope that was clam chowder”. "

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was really over the top. I mean, I’m big on low brow humor, but even I cringed at the pilot.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

she has that line about her vagina drying up. It’s just no good all around.

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blame Whitney

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh I do. Like a great man once said, “just cause you can farm, doesn’t mean you can cook”

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard he was only great if you used ERA but once you broke down his xFIP he came across as quite average.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

other way around :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, “Where is my waitress?” [moans from the back] “She’s coming”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the laugh track just makes it so much worse, cause polite laughter is not what results from that sort of humour. The Married With Children crowd didn’t laugh politely

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Married with Children was so great

If it was on today they’d have killed half the jokes from ever being said and pged it to death.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Said in the same thread as a show with cum stain jokes?

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Married With Children wasn’t suble, but it was more so than that. There was tons of innuendo, but the show was smart how it did a lot of things.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

right?

I think because of MWC, CBS allows these comedies twenty years later. That should be CBS slogan:

“CBS. Twenty years behind”

“CBS: Remember LA Law, we’ve got ten of them now”

“CBS: Here’s a watered down and less subtle version of Married with Children”

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

CBS: America’s number one network but no one you know watches it.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like HIMYM and....

uh…. well….

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

like every comedy

the first few seasons are always the best, but its still funny, just not as consistently.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still laugh at HIMYM, but Ted is hard to root for as the protagonist.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s so lame, I stopped watching the show.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why it is nice to see the central story lines around Marshall and Lilly.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is by far the weakest character on the show

thats for sure

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like him

Some episodes I feel like I can identify with him.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

sometimes

and othertimes he is just a whiny annoying douchebag. Although sometimes I felt like that about JD but I always liked JD anyways.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It used to be funnier, maybe. But after investing into those characters, I like seeing them developed beyond the superficial level.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Burn Notice of networks.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about Lorre. I think 2.5 Men is one of the least funny comedies I have ever seen, but Big Bang Theory is one of the funniest. Dharma and Greg was acceptable. I’m not sure what else he’s done, but he’s a mixed bag for me.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

As soon as Josie said that I thought of Big Bang. Hasn’t he done a shitload of shows?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roseanne, 1990–1992, (writer, co-executive producer / supervising producer)
Grace Under Fire, 1993–1998 (creator, writer, co-executive producer / supervising producer)
Cybill, 1995–1998 (creator, writer and executive producer)
Dharma & Greg, 1997–2002 (creator, writer, executive producer)
Two and a Half Men, 2003–present (creator, writer, executive producer)
The Big Bang Theory, 2007–present (creator, writer, executive producer)
Mike & Molly, 2010–present (executive producer, writer)

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

so basically the entire CBS comedy lineup save How I Met Your Mother

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roseanne was best show of it’s time
Grace was decent
never watched
never watched
First few years I watched, meh
BBT – one of my favorite though I think they have shot the wad
Probably good, only saw the first episode.

I’d saw your criticism was to harsh compared to those who simply produce shit.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except for the Most Watch Comedy In America or whatever, all of those shows were reasonably funny to me. Even Grace Under Fire had its moments. Never saw Cybill.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I wonder if he was responded to Jason Whitlock’s idiotic article on fox sports. He basically said the same thing, only he was serious.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would love to be a sportswriter right now. You can just reprint a column from 2005 and start drinking at 9 in the morning.

On the bright side, we can pretend Fire Joe Morgan still exists for a week.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wonder

how those guys who right the “Fuck Sabermetric” articles can really see themselves as taken seriously. The arguments made just really seem childish.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude, this is nothing compared to what they did to Gaileo

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Making fun of nerds is a time honored tradition.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

generally* science wins over time

*except in 2011 USA, or other falling empires, then emotion kicks ass for a while

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eventually, but man you should have seen Platos face when we togaed him Freshman year of Academy.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because most people agree with them.

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by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally, at least 90% of the fans who go to the games would vote that sabremetrics is ruining the game.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that because they believe it?

or because a sportswriter they read told them so?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

because they just want to watch

people be athletic freaks and not have to think about fancy formulas.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

and yet

they whine about steroids

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

People don’t like change in general.

Hell just look at what happens when Facebook moves something to a different place.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

boom

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, isn’t it?

I mean, I know that the way to score runs is to tire out the starting pitcher, get walks, and wait for the home run. But that can be boring to watch. I sure wish the way to win was putting the ball in play and stealing bases.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wrote a fairly benign column saying the NL Cy Young is too close to call, showing the neutralized numbers for Kershaw, Halladay, and Lee. I mentioned WAR, FIP, and xFIP, but mostly as an aside, and the first comment I got was “Winning matters. Period.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only the guy who invented wins just called it GLWL (Games Left With A Lead) Cy Young voting would be changed for ever.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

and if the save was never invented, we’d all enjoy the games more

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

there will always be mouth breathers, but they will die and be replaced by more enlightened models

or so we hope

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or they could be the Managing Editor for SBN Arizona, run the Suns blog on SB Nation and be the SB Nation league manager :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think people are getting on board with OPS and BABIP for some reason faster than FIP and xFIP

I think FIP is scarier

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

fip is catching on too

fip isn’t THAT hard to calculate. X-Fip has the biggest hurdles to climb.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

not a baseball guy. Check.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mouth Breathers get a bad rep

You get in more air that way :P

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

a lot of people

embrace anti intellectualism. I don’t really want to get into the why, but its just what it is.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

lemme re-use since it is handy….

generally* science wins over time

*except in 2011 USA, or other falling empires, then emotion kicks ass for a while

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean its always been that way

people are scared of change and things they don’t understand. Its human nature I guess.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

there have been periods of rapid intellectual growth, usually preceding and ushering in relative “golden ages” in human existence

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

more so

the leaders and rich decided that its cool to give money to artists and stuff

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

SI used this quote in a Moneyball article this week

“Say you were standing with one foot in the over and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable” -Bobby Bragan

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot to share

I did see two star sightings at LAX yesterday

A) Malin Ackerman
B) Giada DeLaurentis

Malin was very pretty, but normally pretty. Girl next door is an over used term and she is clearly prettier than anyone who lived on my block, yet she does not have an “unearthly” or intimidating beauty.

Giada is even better looking that she is on TV, very tiny, but proportional, striking with bright eyes and nice skin. Very nice looking lady

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I have no idea who these are

Though ,my guess is one is a descendant of Dino

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes…

Dave – cue the pictures for Marty

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ackerman was in Watchmen, and that island couples movie with Vince Vaughn and Jason Bateman, and is on Children’s Hospital.

Giada is on the Food Network.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couples Retreat. Entertaining.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also The Heartbreak Kid with Ben Stiller

In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened

by JB 8 on Sep 22, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And....

…Skidmark’s wife in Harold and Kumar. She was super hot there also. I hated all of her movies except Watchmen and H&K (that I can remember anyway)

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Malin Ackerman is alright

But not great, she’s gotten better roles than she should have IMO

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

shes kiiiiiinda funny on children’s hospital.. and the only reason she gets roles is shes attractive. or shows her boobies.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 22, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the 2nd part more than the first

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giada is my dream woman...

…hot and a great cook. I remember an article a few months back about how all these women were writing to the Food Network and complaining that Giada was dressing too hot and showing too much cleavage on her show. Damn commies.

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

my only beef with her

is her new show is shot in this weird gauzy malibu utopia world that I absolutely cannot relate to.

and her head is huge.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 22, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not that particular but her head bugs me.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Yeah

Her melon (not to be confused with the plural version) is massive. I think it’s because she’s so skinny too.

by SV Narine on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

in person, the head is proportional

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

really pretty, nothing weird about her

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

my dad calls her "that slut on the food network"

haha

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ari Gold would think he’s talking about Bobby Flay.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The image of Bruce Bochy and Giada somehow together as one is hilarious. I would have spit out my Dr. Pepper had I been drinking any.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their celeb name could be Giuce

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about you guys, but “my rock is by my side.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

“I hear the drums echoing tonight, but she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation.”

by silverwidow on Sep 22, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

D'oh
Rotoworld_BB Rotoworld Baseball
Manny wants to play, will serve suspension http://dlvr.it/mcqRV

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

how does he do that?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

i imagine he’d have to convince a team to sign him, so that he could play for them next August

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

could sign with a Dominican Summer League team and serve it that way.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saw a report that said Dominican teams would require him to serve his suspension before he could play there. I highly doubt MLB would count games sat out in another league as serving it.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny could sign with the St. Paul Saints or the Newark Bears or something. I bet either of those teams would pay to have Manny as a draw.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

As non-affiliated teams, MLB wouldn’t count those games either, I wouldn’t think.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh no, I don’t think those games would count for a suspension.

And I think those teams would sign him and play him — i.e., he would not be suspended.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

he said he wanted to play in the dominican, but MLB wouldn’t let him because the DSL is MLB affiliated. So, if DSL is MLB affiliated, by their rules he should be perfectly fine sitting out DSL games to serve his suspension, though I don’t think they play 100 games. If all he wants is to play, he could play in any of the non-MLB leagues.

I already put in a call to his agent for him to join the BCBL Ironheads at a salary of a 12 pack of Pacifico after each game.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I already put in a call to his agent for him to join the BCBL Ironheads at a salary of a 12 pack of Pacifico after each game.

I think you’re lying, but I think you really should do this.

Scott Boras’s phone number is (949) 760-0188.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

funny, i always figured it to be a 666 area code

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orange County, what’s the diff.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet he lives in Newport

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

nailed it

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

His offices are near Fascist Island.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just don’t want to face him. A real competitor would want to pitch to him, so he should be on another team, like the Stallions, for instance.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think one of you jokers needs to call Boras and make your best pitch. Record the call for posterity.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll forward you the e-mail I sent.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m okay admitting I couldn’t get Manny Ramirez out. Having the lowest runs allowed and the lowest runs scored in a league is hellish.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he’s your LF, you might allow a couple extra runs.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

someone has to hit it to the outfield for that to be an issue

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or, in the case of your team, moderately hard to the infield.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We got better at the end kind of!

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s having him undress you like Charlie Brown on the mound that’s scary.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t remember Peanuts being that racy. Did you get a Peppermint Patty offshoot comic strip in your newspaper?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get a Patty Mayonaise popup once in awhile that I hesitate to close

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was in the GLBT paper.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like so

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was Snoopy in a grade-school production of YAGMCB. But this was always my favorite part, even though I didn’t have much to do/sing.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always figured you for Woodstock.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m too ugly to play Woodstock.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

How were you not Linus?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to be Linus. That went to my best friend. They said, “With your personality, we thought Snoopy was a better fit.”

Even now, thirty years later, I don’t know what to make of that comment.

This was my big number: Suppertime.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is enigmatic at best.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Gosh, that guy is so ugly, I could kill.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gimme Shelter.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, there’s always the frontier league.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironic if Manny is a Saint.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

What team would take a shot at him

It would be a team in contention or thinks they can be late next year, does Angels make no sense?

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yankees are the only team I can think of. Clearly he needs money for legal expenses

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

they totally need more outfielders /not

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They need more second basemen that they can play in the outfield.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet Izturis could do it

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kendrick has played there a bunch. Collapseo too, I think.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

kendrick played lf

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

callaspo played one game in lf last year

all 3b this year

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still more than he should have (Pay no attention to that Velez behind the curtain).

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

heck they played Trumbo in RF

at one point

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

wells, hunter, abrea, trout, bourjos all under contract and either good, the future, or too expensive to expect them to just cut them

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny being

crazy

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he misses baseball

I think he wants to play in the dominican

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is a dick move on my part but...

Does he miss baseball, or does he miss the attention?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

how much attention

is he really going to get playing in the Winter League?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure manny can draw a crowd there

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Pedro Gomez own a parka?

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got that sense about Rickey Henderson when he played for the Surf Dawgs: that Henderson freakin’ LOVED to play and they were going to have to cut his uniform off of his cold, dead body.

But Manny?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never felt like manny was only playing for the money

he seemed to honestly enjoy being out there

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think the guy loves baseball more than anything else

really

I read some book about him too – that point really came across

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He realized that the only thing he was good at was baseball, so he better get back to it. To bad he simply didn’t serve the suspension so he could lead the Rays over the Yankee’s and Sox.

So he’s frozen out of the winter leagues?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do players collect their salaries while on the suspended list? Dude burned $6mil.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t his salary. That is deferred money, already earned.

He doesn’t get paid for this year, nor will he once he comes back and serves the 100 games.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he signed for $8mil with Tampa, that’s where I got the $6M (100/162ish) but maybe that was Damon?

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was $2 million IIRC

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he retired, so money went bye bye, independent of the suspension.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

This would have been interesting if it had come to pass

I’d have a hard time remembering a deal this late in the year.

Chris Capuano (P) NY-N 9/22/2011
With Boston desperate for a starting pitcher for Sunday’s game against the Yankees, the Red Sox and Mets talked trade for Capuano this week, but were unable to come to an agreement, leaving Capuano in New York for the remainder of the season, ESPN New York reports. The Mets did treat the inquiry from the Red Sox serious enough that they held back Miguel Batista the first day of the series in St. Louis and did not use him in relief in case he needed to be a spot starter Thursday in place of Capuano. Batista subsequently was used in the series in relief when it became clear the trade wouldn’t happen and Capuano will start Thursday.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

can make trades, but the player is ineligible for playoff rosters

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, waivers may or may not be involved.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Player would have to have cleared waivers.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Must have or there would not have been any discussion at all.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember when Octavio Dotel helped the 2010 Rockies win the West?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

(:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/09/get-out-the-pom-poms-how-to-try-and-make-hiroki-kuroda-stay.html

Kuroda is scheduled to start Thursday in the Dodgers’ final home game of the season. And all indications are that it will be his final start in Chavez Ravine.
.
The growing sentiment is that Kuroda is going to return to Hiroshima, where he pitched his previous 11 years before joining the Dodgers in 2008, for one final season before retiring.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

shit, didn’t really want to go to the game tonight….now I feel like maybe I should

tired man

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saving your energy for Bowling tomorrow night, I like it.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

full bar. Not a fancy bar, but they have drinks.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It may be physically impossible

to bowl sober

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bowled a 192 and 191 with an AMF or two

Next time I didn’t drink and scored worse

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m happy if I hit 120.

I did manage to bowl a 58 with throwing balls through my legs the entire game, though.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be happy to throw my age.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

bowled a 191 sober last week when i went to check out this place.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you use

the inverted C follow-through?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i use the “OUWMYGROINELBOWFOREARMSHOULDERKNEE” release

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean

like a hook?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Talk Like a Pirate Day was earlier this week.

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

So its more of a slurve?

by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

like a cutter, with less black eyeliner

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will be there tonight, in the press box.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 22, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bone up on your Japanese

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

17 for 34 means you move up

(facing a LHP means 13 for 20 moves down)

Gordon SS
Sands RF
Kemp CF
Rivera LF
Miles 3B
Loney 1B
Barajas C
Carroll 2B
Kuroda P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Miles in the 5 spot for consistency.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Low center of gravity…balance.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

still at third

blech

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still fuckin Miles too

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah :)

But what in the hell is Miles hitting 5th for…oye.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

% Chance that Barajas returns next year? Has to be more than 50, right?

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think so. Fed gets the Ellis role, while Ellis shares time with Mr. Pancakes on the big league club.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think if they were thinking of using other guys, we’d see more of them.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think so. A 1 year $2mil deal sounds right.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’d get a raise wouldn’t he?

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t think so. he may come back at the same price, but I don’t think he gets a raise based on health/age/being rod barajas. Maybe he gives a hometown discount to stay? who knows.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don’t want him back.

by silverwidow on Sep 22, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to all available signs, the whole team is coming back.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it all worked out so well this year. What could go wrong?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

why isn't barajas batting higher yet

donnie you make no sense

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Albert Pujols just pulled two home runs ahead of Matt Kemp

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn

I just want Pujols to hit a bunch of doubles instead :)

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy, and Kemp is 2000 miles away. Pujols must be roiding.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure I found the joke.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

hand grenade attempt

you are in the vicinity, but not really all that close

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would 2 opposite field homers

be better?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quite a comeback if he ends up winning the MVP.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a chance

Though I’d be incredibly confused if I got pissed at him for winning an MVP.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

If he gets to 40 hr, leads the Cards to the playoffs, he could sneak in. Non-zero chance in my book.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think Kemp, Braun, and Upton are ahead

Pujols definitely bashed his way back into the top 10, outside shot at top 5.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for fun

1n 1972, Steve Carlton led the league in several categories:

Wins—27
ERA—1.97
GS—41
CG—30
IP—346.1
SO—310

He finished 5th in the MVP voting.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Don Sutton picked the wrong year to have a career high in ERA+. He was at 162 (also at 161 in 1980, next best is 144), and 19-9. Carlton was at 182, not that anyone knew or cared at the time.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don Sutton = Jordan-era Utah Jazz?

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know which number is the craziest

he pitched a CG in 73%of his starts – freaky

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the better “welcome to your new city” years of all-time.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

loser didn’t even average a K per inning

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone mentioned this season as a reason why Verlander won’t win the MVP.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sucks when the better reason is “because there are other dudes who provide more value on offense and defense.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Wise for Steve Carlton is one of the great challenge trades of all-time.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pujols madness - Goddam

as great as Pujols has been since Aug 3rd
.365 .434 .624 1.057

he still can’t light Loney’s cigar.

SOAB

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Getting Closer - Sept only

427 .464 .653 1.118

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not counting today’s dinger.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but look

He can’t take a walk this month ;)

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

August 3rd is important because that is my birthday

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cardinals would like to think you for setting Albert on fire.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which

Where is Monk these days? Did he have TJ surgery?

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

A while ago though, shouldn’t he be on the Wainwright path and I heard Wainwright was throwing. Maybe MONK is the answer next year.

He’ll be a year older

with a new arm

Happy days are here again

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monk didn’t have surgery until July 15. He’s barely a month ahead of Rubby.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sheesh, he sucked in March, what took so long.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can totally picture that

We need a TBLA cartoonist

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I had totally forgotten.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp leads in both fWAR and bWAR.

Pretty healthy leads in both, .9 in fWAR over Joey Votto and 1.7 in bWAR over Kershaw (1.9 over next position player, Braun).

by fbihop on Sep 22, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Kemp leads the UHalladay division

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

in bWar kemp is higher

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

i know, but he said he leads in both

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Braves not playing, Cardinals winning, looks like one game back headed for the weekend with six games to go for both teams. My money is on the Cardinals hunting down the youngsters and feeding them into the Missouri River

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

The Edwin Jackson effect

by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Ryan Theriot Theorem

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Furcal’s Pendulum?

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s a rec

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Gordon Knot?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was the Rasmusless effect.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Bailey in for the save

in Oakland

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

and game

we move inches closer to a 4 way tie

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s gonna be really a letdown if after all this, it ends up being NY-Boston-Detroit-Texas, Philadelphia-Atlanta-Milwaukee-Arizona.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Brewers, I guess.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Brewers-Tigers is what I’d be rooting for.

Among those eight, the Humma position is:

Brewers
Tigers
Rangers
Braves
Diamondbacks
Fuck you, Ruiz
Red Sox
Yankees

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a Red Sox fan you have them a tad low

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox were the team of my childhood.

When I became a man, I put away childish things.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dig when you get all new testament on us

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strange, I think I would rank them exactly the same….er probably drop the Phillies a little

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we get down to that end of the table — if it’s Phillies-Red Sox or Phillies-Yankees — there are no winners.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies/Yankees with Joe Buck/Tim McCarver announcing would raise the smug quotient to unbearable.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dbacks ahead of the Braves here, but otherwise I’m with you all the way. If the Cardinals overtake the Braves, I’d probably slot them ahead of the Rangers.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m alllllll ready standin’….

on the ground

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

JMO but I think the Philies, Brewers, and Cardinals will whoop ass on the AL if they bring those rotations onto the big screen.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels will be just fine in the world series

you’ll see

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vernon Wells WS MVP would be something to chew on all winter

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have to pining for the WC don’t we?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've not given up hope yet

they just have to pick up 2 games going into the series with texas :). /plugs ears hums loudly.

But yes wildcard is more realistic.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather see Angels and Rangers go then Rangers and Boston.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

angels and tampa bay you mean

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

man

I had to choose between tickets to see them playing the A’s and tickets seeing them play the rangers, and I chose rangers, but I’m worried they will be out of contention on wednsday when I go to see them.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

crazy year for WC

Giants basically out of division. Still have shot at WC if they leapfrog STL.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

1.5%

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

but we put that to rest tonight

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

A red-hot STL vs. PHI would be a good first round match-up.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Different Bailey but I give the parents who named their kid Champ thumbs up and the ones who thought they birthed a hitter not a pitcher thumbs down.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

what about Bump?

Or George?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beetle?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Beetle?

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn! Too slow.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Sep 22, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers lost.

“If it bleeds, I can kill it.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

You

All have a good rest of the season. I am tired already as I sit in airport restaurant hopefully having the last mediocre meal in the next week or so.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 22, 2011 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

enjoy your bangers, remember to tell everyone you are from Beverly Hills or Hollywood not Los Angeles.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

travel safe

have fun

eat and drink and be merry

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric

Needless to say, another great season of coverage.

Thanks for the good wishes

by bhsportsguy on Sep 22, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have fun

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

Will have some cheese in your honor.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 22, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stinking Bishop

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cheese was brought to international attention by a brief but important role in the Oscar-winning 2005 animated film Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, in which it was used to revive Wallace from the dead. Demand for the cheese subsequently rose by 500%.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is awesome, Wallace and Gromit rule, sad about the fire.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burgundy
Cheese board
Paris
rockstar

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

TJ Simers snickers.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait to read the epic post Eric is preparing about Kuroda’s last Dodger start at home and the end to a short but brilliant stay in Los Angeles.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, shit, you have the keys. Go in and read the draft!

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a light his fire attempt

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other words, the time to hesitate is through, no time to wallow in the mire?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

something about something funeral pyre

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not writing shit today. Dave is in the press box. I am relaxing.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, that post won’t come until next year :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember this? The Kuroda Accord!
153. natepurcell
failure
< 125IP ERA+ 96

break even
125IP-150IP ERA+ 96-106

success
150+IP ERA+ 106+

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good times

Spawned my first ever guest post on Dodger Thoughts, too.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you have the link?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff, a precursor of things to come.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

71. Jon Weisman
69 – The font is called Guestcommentator Gothic Condensed Regular Light.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who the fuck is this Toy Cannon guy?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Daniel Zappala. I liked that guy.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

173. Daniel Zappala
God totally goes for the Mormons over the Catholics and the unwashed mashes. The pecking order:
.
Mormons
Mormons
more Mormons
Lutherans
Baptists
non-denominational Christians
Catholics
buddists, Jews, and other members of world religions
atheists
Jehovah’s Witnesses
.
Keep this guide handy when determining who God chooses in any athletic contest.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

crap

just realized that was the post where JW kicked my ass for making an unsupported claim (that Penny didn’t throw deep into games). He made me go and look up the numbers, which were different from what I remembered.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodger Thoughts is a mystical land where they let facts get in the way of a good argument.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really liked being able to link to other comments [in brackets]. Made conversations real fun.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can do that here too. Just right click on the date and time under the comment for the direct link.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

But it reloads the page, which sucks

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep yep

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And also, since your reply appears directly under the comment you are replying to, it’s not as necessary.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s good when citing other threads I suppose.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup Yup

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep yep

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

what if i don’t have a right click? [seriously]

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

My head just exploded more than Marty’s did below (I’m guessing)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

how about this:

171. MyTummyHurts
Is there any real possibility that Pierre will end up in a White Sox uniform or am I just dreaming?

Even then 2007-12-18 18:24:31 we wanted him on the White Sox

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Canuck was a tad high on Tony Abreu

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Canuck was a tad high on [insert not Kyle Russell here]

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is Canadian. /notsurewhatthatmeans

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scott Elbert?

I was always with him on his love for Elbert, and always against him for his non-Russell love.

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you notice Canuck giving all the Canadian TV show advice? He mentioned one, not in that thread which I think was called Twitch. It was awesome.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

JoeyP

The bearface of his day

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is our Joey Joe

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

this is good
103. Bob Timmermann
102
ERIC! You’re a PTCER! PRIME TIME COMMENTER! Oh, when you see an Eric Stephen comment, you know it’s great…
And then there’s natepurcell, he’s one of DT’s DIAPER DANDIES! He works so hard at finding out ground ball rates for Japanese pitchers!

. . .

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is fact?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joey can confirm but I’m 98.8% sure since his last name starts with a P and we have been arguing for about five years now.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

But I seem to remember JoeyP becoming Oldbear, so I made the bearface leap of faith.

Or maybe I was drunk

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Reg was saying meh, Nate was trying to convince everyone his ground ball rate is what would play here. None of us expected what we got. Class and Quality

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anyone if looking for a cheap ticket to the bay

I just booked one for 120!!!! on southwest roundtrip LAX > SFO

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

that is cheap

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

too bad

I can never plan things out that far in advance

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

my friends are just impossible to make plans with

I can’t get them to decide what they want to do more then 15 minutes in advance most of the time, and thats just to hang out on a friday night!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to learn to say I know in a funny way. Not like in that commercial, but funny.

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, 14 day advance?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Job interview Oct 4th.. in and out the same day

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you!

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Sep 22, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

Steelers vs Niners on Monday night in December

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

120 is really low though

usually its hard to go below 160 even with virgin/jetblue

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

would be nice
dodgerthoughts: RT @DuranLA: Matt Kemp on contract extension “havent started talks..but I plan on being with Dodgers rest of my career”

by shaqfor3 on Sep 22, 2011 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Matty will all the right moves

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah since Frank is going to give him 20% of the team

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers need to give Kemp and Kershaw blank checks and tell each to write in the amount they want to stay lifetime Dodgers.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Sep 22, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

20 years 30 million per

and thats just for kemp. Ballsy move.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s saying he’s retiring next year?

by Joey Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff finished 7th in MVP voting last year. This year he’s slugging .374.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andre, your future is calling

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cardinals 3 outs away from being 1 game out.

by Joey Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

They got Strasburg tomorrow night.

Then 3 with the Phillies.
Not looking good for them.

by Joey Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dolphin tale has an 86 percent fresh on RT

this is why I am reticent to right off movies with such a good cast.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Number one on my wife’s to see list.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The preview made me well up. Not sure I could handle 90 minutes.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

“In a world where . . . fuck it, here’s some dolphin footage.”

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He knows his audience.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought his angle had something to do with last winter’s contract talks.

by silverwidow on Sep 22, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

If this came from a player who had a long history of using hyperbole to say things that his audience wanted to hear, it would be easy to ignore it.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t make it to your independent clause ;)

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

is he suggesting tanking it to get the sox out ??

seems that way when he says ‘anything to get the Sox out would be awesome’

by XXDC2XX on Sep 22, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s probably referencing that the Yanks-Red Sox play each other this weekend.

by Joey Joe on Sep 22, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be like paying Zeb Terry to throw the world series.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drama in St.Louis

by Table on Sep 22, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

(psst. it was an Airplane straight line for Eric, but thanks!)

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn it! I was in another tab for a minute.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’s a play for theater, radio, or television. But that’s not important now.

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

That’s even better than the one I was thinking!

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow tie game!
Furcal error on a DP ball killed the Cardinals

by Joey Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He made one yesterday that almost killed them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mets lead 8-6!

Crushing loss for the Cardinals…Braves breathe a sigh of relief.

by Joey Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crushing blow for the 2012 Dodger 2nd baseman

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

For gary and anyone else who cares

Just ordered some new bats – trying out the I13s

Thin handle, big barrel – very excited about this. Very.

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

My immediate reaction was I WANT TO FACE YOU
My second reaction was “That’s awesome, Joe. Good luck!”
My third reaction was “You should buy a wood burner and sign your name into the barrel or knob, that’d be badass”

Sorry, I guess I’m pitcher before friend.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

trying to bust bats is not very sporting

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those must be pricey

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like $500, right?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah – I got a connection through a friend in the league to a guy who gets minor league stock – $40 bucks delivered

I currently use the C243 model – which has a bit of a heavier handle. I am hoping this thing is like a whip

I probably break a bat every 15 games or so

they run about $60 in the store, in the $50’s online + shipping

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minor league bats are only 60 per?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure – Ash bats top out about $60 bucks each

Maple can go for twice that amount, but seems to last longer

I used Maple for a while, but I think I like the lightness and whip of the Ash

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I make my bats from tree’s hit by lightening.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

you would be my hero

FWIW – I know guys who turn their own bats – some do nice work

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can smell it now

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like

masturbation

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

sooner or later, it all ends up there

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

We all turn our own bats

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

like slide tackles in a friendly, i would never bat hunt you.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

These are just words strung together.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like that

auto tweet thingy

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, yeah in BP

If were were in a wood bat league against each other….well, I wouldn’t want to be in a wood bat league against a 25 yr old pitcher anyway

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I may have the face of a 25 year old, but i have the shoulder of a 40 year old.

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

rays have 2 on top of the first no outs

injury delay

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

no clue

doesn’t say on gameday

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec’ing this response for utter frustration.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once again, enough about Kat Dennings.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

When is bowling night again? ;)

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever it was, it wasn’t much. Bases loaded now

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

sick

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zobrist struck out four times in five at bats in the 2nd game. I guess he should have stayed home and held his wife’s hand for another day.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice

A meercat in phil clothing

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zobrist reading to his new bundle

“On the night you were born, the moon smiled down from the heavens and the stars… threw daddy a bunch of junk off of the plate that he couldn’t lay off of frizzlefrazzle”

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

1st and 3rd now

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

kotchman grounds into double play

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

sez the Angels fan with apparent glee

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah

I’m still rooting for the rays. I’ll take anyone over boston.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

5-0 now

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

bases loaded for matt joyce

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Up to the minute NL batting average

Braun .32967
Reyes .32948
Kemp .32224

FWIW, 5 for 5 gets Kemp to .32813 tonight

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

And go for the extra base. It won’t hurt your BA.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 La Russa pitching changes in the 9th, 6 runs for Mets.

Serves him right.

Sorry for Raffy though, I do still like him but man, his D has been wobbly this year.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 22, 2011 4:24 PM PDT reply actions  

This seems familiar

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

painful flashback. i never forgave him.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, I meant the Cardinals blowing it by using a shitload of relief pitchers.

But yeah, Rafy screwed the pooch in Philly

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Moore is starting today?

I thought he was being used in relief? is this a byproduct of the double header?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Push Neiman back a day so he’s fresh

Plus he’s Matt Moore.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

bases loaded in Toronto too

Santana battling with 2 outs

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Will be a homer or a walk.

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

strikes him out

nails

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s almost exclusively being used as a 1b it seems (hope i’m not wrong).

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indians announced last week he was going to be the every day 1st baseman next year because La Porta blows chunks.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

wrong santana

santana the pitcher. Angels playign toronto

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Time to log off :)

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

callaspo dinger

4 way tie here we come

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

diving catch by Pridie nabs the third out, Mets win 8-6 over Cards.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 22, 2011 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Cards fall before Pridie?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crushing defeat. Giants fans perk up. What’s the % now, Nola?

by kinbote on Sep 22, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

ask eric

I stole it from his link :)

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants’ chances to make the playoffs are 0.00000000000000000000%

Source: Eric Stephen Industries, Inc., a for-profit corporation

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

well yeah

after the thrashing they get tonight, their spirits will be broken.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

God, I hope so.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are Eric Stephen campaign donations tax deductable?

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question

If TBLA was a non profit the charitable donations pouring into Eric would be stunning, however it is a pain in the ass to become a real non – profit.

However, what would stop someone from:
1. Signing up to run for Mayor
2. Creating a campaign fund
3. Receive TBLA donations for campaign fund
4. Not spend any money on the campaign

Eric gets paid
TBLA members get tax credit
Everyone wins

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

the FBI

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil did ask for a miracle…

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

that said, I would much rather pay my tax dollars to USES than USA

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Loney gets two hits off of Madison tonight, I sign him to 2/16 on the bus down to San Diego.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

if you think he’s good enough to buy out free agent years, you might as well try to sign him for 2-3 free agent years. figure 7 for arb year, 9 for FA in your scenario, so why not 4/34?

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

just as long as he doesn’t get the blank checks we were giving out earlier

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

shit that would never happen if the drinking age were 18

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

clearly the arresting officer farted right before that photo was taken

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you fail at stealing a 30 pack of beer?

How do you care so much about a 30 pack of beer being stolen that you get run over by a car?

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Underage and stupid.

I’m not expecting total accuracy on this story but it did say an employee is the guy who got run over.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t be a hero, you are still going to make minimum wage, that 30 pack goes for what? 10 bucks?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly 20, but still not the guy making minimum’s problem.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m fairly certain that when I worked at a liquor store and someone stole something I’d have run after him.

Mainly because the owners daughter was oh so hot and at two years older not totally out of reach.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is a Bon Jovi song in there somewhere

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

My dad has a story about running after a shoplifter when he was a grocery manager at Boy’s Market. Was there an apostrophe in Boys Market?

by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never shopped in Hollywood

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

The real crime

is it was Tecate. That’s maybe the world’s worst beer. I love Mexican beers but Tecate gives Swill a good name.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hate Tecate and I hate Sol

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the rest

Bohemia is maybe my all time favorite beer

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked Negro Modelo. And in Mexico, you could sometimes find these pear shaped bottles of Superior that were very good

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 22, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the little beers you get down in Mexico

I have consumed gallons and gallons of Pacifico – it is among my favorite watery beers

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am way too mad that CHO failed as a word on Words With Friends

by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I love Mexican beers but Tecate gives Swill a good name.

for a brief moment I wondered why someone named their beer swill.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Swill is Swell!

The beer for suckers!

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

“If it sounds that bad, it must be good” – Me way too often

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 SOs for moore now

still in the 2nd

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

5 k's first six outs

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

albeit

this isnt the usual yankee lineup

but still pretty impressive

by shaqfor3 on Sep 22, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

get jeter and tex

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll probably be there

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

it does sound like fun

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH COME ON

sunday, during football season? Thats a joke right?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is called ride and watch

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn, I thought it was Saturday.

I play that Sunday and then Football

hmmmm, how to do it all?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

football you could probably do at a bar or something there

but then you are just sitting in one place the whole time so whats the point

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

in a professional capacity?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our store might be, not our company. I’ll check, I think I got an email about it last week.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

got to be a great marketing opportunity for you

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 22, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

colon regressing?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn

not sure about after today, but fangraphs thinks he has actually been unlucky this year.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh

they just haven’t gotten his scouting report, I give him 6, 7 starts before teams figure him out
/g scott

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 22, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

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