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Joc Pederson, James Baldwin Get Love in BA's top Pioneer League Prospects

Baseball America's top 20 Pioneer League prospects came out today, and two players from the Ogden Raptors made the list.  Joc Pederson was ranked #3, while James Baldwin came in at #11.  The high ranking for Pederson is a bit surprising to me given that he is ahead of 1st round picks CJ Cron and Kaleb Cowart, but I'm not complaining. 

In terms of scouting reports, I'll summarize and say that Pederson was compared to Gerardo Parra to Brian Giles, and is expected to be a corner outfielder in the big leagues with a ceiling of 15 to 20 homers annually.  Baldwin was praised for his athleticism and projection, but has a problem making contact.  One manager said ""He'll show you plus tools, but I wouldn't bet the house on him hitting good pitching," one manager said. "We threw him nothing but fastballs and he couldn't catch up."

I missed the chat because it was early, but there was a question about O'Koyea Dickson not making the list.  According to Matt Eddy, he hit well in the most extreme hitter's park in the league plus he plays 1st base, so he needs to mash in the higher minor leagues to get respect.  The other question about the Raptors asked if anyone else came close to making the list, and to probably everyone's surprise Eddy mentioned NDFA Eric Eadington as someone to watch as he has a 92-94 mph fastball from the left side.

Finally, it was interesting to look back on the Pioneer League list from 5 years ago when 3 Dodgers made the list.  Bryan Morris was actually ranked in the #1 prospect in the league in 2006, and Josh Bell was 2nd.  Steven Johnson was the final member of the group and he came in at #15.

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Going back to the last thread

For Phil’s quest to find not elite bats with awesome stretches over at least 40 games.

Alex Avila:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=avilaal01&t=b&year=2011&share=0.33#218-257-sum:batting_gamelogs

40 games 1.066 OPS

Jhonny Peralta (SS)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=peraljh01&t=b&year=2011&share=1.67#1009-1070-sum:batting_gamelogs

.354/.396/.632 – 1.028 for 62 games from 5/6 to 7/23

Matt Joyce, 44 games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=joycema01&t=b&year=2011&share=1.05#190-233-sum:batting_gamelogs

.410/.460/.729 from 4/14 to 6/2.

These are some of the one’s I have found, I’m checking for september now, and I bet Loney will be the best out of all of them for the year of 40 or more games :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Erick Aybar is blasting the ball his last 25 games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=aybarer01&t=b&year=2011&share=0.26#599-623-sum:batting_gamelogs

.396/.456/.659 – 1.116 OPS Though it’s only 25 games.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mike “Vernon Wells” Napoli

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=napolmi01&t=b&year=2011&share=3.36#555-613-sum:batting_gamelogs

Absolutely unreal the last 59 games he has played. .389/.471/.702 – 1.173 OPS

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 22, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baldwin

has a Daryl Strawberry-like leg kick that makes his swing longer/slower than it needs to be. Everybody from Bundy to Tommy Davis has tried to talk to him about getting rid of it, but he thinks he sacrifices power without it. He’s young and listens, but doesn’t hear. If he ever does retool the swing, I think his athletic ability and size will make him an everyday, good/great player. he’s fast, can field and has power, but is still rather raw. In case you’re not sure about my opinion, I have high hopes for JB!

by Scioscia14 on Sep 22, 2011 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the input

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 23, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not at all surprised about Pederson's ranking

Multiple scouts and prospect people have taken notice of him. He has multiple tools, and put up the 3rd highest OPS of anyone in the Pioneer League aged 21 or younger with over 150 PA’s. The two guys ahead of him were O’Koyea and Cron but both of them are two years older. Joc also stole 24/29 bases in just under 70 games. He could be a future 20/20 guy who does everything well.

by BFDC on Sep 22, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Also bloodlines, even though his dad wasn’t exactly Bobby Bonds, Stu did have a lengthy minor league career with a cup of coffee with the Dodgers.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 22, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

we should’ve put this on the top of the page 600 comments ago

by G.Scott on Sep 22, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Pioneer League Prospects

I watched at least 40 Raptors games in person this year, I spoke with a lot of scouts while I was at the games so I feel I have a good opinion when it comes to this team and group of prospects. Baldwin hit 9th for the team in the playoffs. He looked foolish against lefties, but he is only 19 so he has time to improve but he needs to seriously adjust his swing mechanics and make consistent contact and get on base with his speed. Joc was the best all around player I saw IMO in the whole league. He hit for average, average power, has speed and a plus arm in the outfield and he only struck out 54 times with 36 walks as a 19 year old. As for Dickson first of all he played 20 games less than the rest of the team. 2nd Ogden is nowhere near the most extreme hitters park. Yes each team plays at an elevation of 3,000 ft above sea level but Ogden’s park actually has real dimensions, Orem for example is 305 ft down the LF line with a 15 foot high wall, 375 to the gaps and 312 down the RF line, that park is ridiculous in terms of dimensions for the elevation they play at. Dickson stuck out 44 times with 19 walks he had a .402 OBP and hit .347 against lefties and .329 vs righties. He also played a gold glove caliber 1st base so I don’t understand their comments that as a first baseman he needs to mash to gain respect. Well he mashed, leading the team in HR despite 20 fewer games and his defense and range were plus plus. He’s a good enough athlete he could move to the OF, he’s great with the glove so I’d love to see him try to play 3rd base, I may be out of my mind, but what do you have to lose with the absolute lack of 3B prospects in the Dodgers system. I understand Kaleb Cowart was a 1st round pick so he’s a better prospect on that fact alone, but I watched Ogden play Orem at least 10 times and Dickson was clearly better than Cowart and it wasn’t even close. Sure Cowart is younger but are you basing the ranking on the seasons the guys had or the age these guys are+the seasons they had. Baldwin is definitely not deserving to be #11 on this list, hell Scott Schebler was considerably better than he was. IMO the best prospect in the league was Cron and it isn’t even close, especially since Cron put up all of his number with a shoulder injury that needed surgery but he played through it prior to hurting his knee.

by PastyRasta on Sep 22, 2011 11:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Sure Cowart is younger but are you basing the ranking on the seasons the guys had or the age these guys are+the seasons they had

Age has to be a factor.


Baldwin is definitely not deserving to be #11 on this list, hell Scott Schebler was considerably better than he was.

Rankings tend to be a reflection of who will have ended up with the better career/highest peak, not who is the better player at that point in time.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the input

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 23, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a good enough athlete he could move to the OF, he’s great with the glove so I’d love to see him try to play 3rd base, I may be out of my mind, but what do you have to lose with the absolute lack of 3B prospects in the Dodgers system.

I can only imagine how fast he’d move through the system if he displayed an ability to play third.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

a lot of times, guys come into camp saying “I worked out at third this winter and want to give it a try”. Organizations rarely turn down the chance for a guy to increase his versatility, but will put their foot down if they don’t think the guy can handle it.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

for sure

like they did with Sands. I’d like to see one of the guys in the minors with a good bat give the position a try.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

And move Baez to C or the mound.

by kinbote on Sep 23, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

O'Koyea splits

Home: .980 OPS
Away: 1.044 OPS

by Sean P. on Sep 26, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

daaaaaaaaaaamn

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 26, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

So Keith Law’s Second Law is “Never let the facts get in the way of a snarky tweet” I guess.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 26, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

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