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Freely Available Talent: The Bargain Of Juan Rivera

This figures to be an interesting winter for the Dodgers. The team will finish somewhere near a .500 record, but there is some excitement if not an extra sense of accomplishment to it because of their hot finish. The Dodgers are 21-8 since August 22.

We really have no idea what the payroll budget will be for 2012, and it could go a myriad of ways. The Dodgers sold fewer than three million tickets this season for the first time since 2000, and the second time since 1996, and that doesn't count no-shows, which could be as high as 20-30%. The team is still in bankruptcy, and with Frank McCourt still at the helm for the near future, there is good reason to think season ticket sales will plummet for 2012.

Then again, the hearing in Bankruptcy Court in Delaware on October 12 could provide the lifeline McCourt needs, green lighting a lucrative television deal that could fund a winter spending spree. But in truth we don't really know what's in store in building next year's team.

No matter if a team's payroll is $70 million or $120 million, the lifeblood of an organization is finding productive, cheap talent. The most likely source of this is through the draft. Young players make close to nothing in a relative sense in their first three years of MLB service time. The MLB minimum salary is $414,000, and nearly all "zero to three" players make somewhere near this amount. For instance, Clayton Kershaw while turning in one of of the greatest pitching seasons in Dodgers franchise history is making $500,000 this year, because he had two years, 105 days of service time entering this year.

Another way to get bang for the buck is picking up guys off the scrap heap. Usually this someone thought of as a AAAA player, someone who is freely available (free being a relative term, like a waiver transaction fee or a six-figure minor league deal with an invitation to spring training) for some reason or another. Jack Cust is an example of a hitter who gave the A's four mostly productive seasons beginning at age 28 after toiling in the relative obscurity of the minor leagues for five different organizations over a decade.

One such player who has helped fuel the Dodgers' second-half surge is former Angel Juan Rivera, who was designated for assignment by Toronto in July. The Dodgers acquired Rivera for a player to be named later or cash during the All-Star break, and for a pro-rated share of the minimum salary (about $179,000) he has given the Dodgers a line of .294/.354/.438 with 12 doubles and five home runs in 57 games, all while giving the Dodgers offensive production out of left field and first base, something that was missing in the first half of the year.

Rivera leads the National League with 40 RBI since August 1. He has basically been everything Marcus Thames was supposed to be, which is good since Rivera literally took Thames' spot on the roster in July. Rivera is a career .278/.328/.451 hitter, and has fared well against left-handed pitchers, hitting .289/.336/.497 against southpaws.

Rivera is making $5.25 million this season (again, the Dodgers are only paying him a pro-rated share of the minimum salary; Toronto is responsible for the rest) in the final year of a three-year deal originally signed with the Angels. It sounds like the Dodgers want Rivera back for 2012, with his role likely dependent upon just how much the Dodgers have to spend this winter.

Do you think Juan Rivera will be a Dodger in 2012? Do you think Rivera should be a Dodger next year? I wouldn't mind having Rivera back in a reserve role at something like $2 million or so. What say you?

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WILL (not should) the Dodgers bring back Juan Rivera in 2012?
Yes
402 votes
No
53 votes

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yes please

I would like me some Juan for $2M

call it a bargain

or at least fairly priced

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 23, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

We’ve seen the best of Juan, let it be and move on.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

whispered words of it

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t expect him to be this good

but I do expect him to be a fair $2M value

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It all sounds good, but it won’t be.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

So long as Mr. Sands gets to start, then i’m all for it.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I've said it before

but I’m very happy Sands and Gordon are giving me some hope to cling to this offseason.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

well wait til we sign Prince Fielder then.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear lord, I wish.

KEMvP

"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."

by T.C. Engel on Sep 23, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Incredible!
Rivera leads the National League with 40 RBI since August 1.

by kinbote on Sep 23, 2011 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Voted no because I think Rivera will start over Sands.

by silverwidow on Sep 23, 2011 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

WILL (not should) the Dodgers bring back Juan Rivera in 2012?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

either way Sands is the starter

rivera would be the 4th OF with Gwynn the 5th(I hope)

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Platoon partner for Dre and James

I’d even offer an option for a second year, in the form of a contract of 2 yrs/$4m, with the second year being a team option with a $500,000 buyout.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Rivera’s been a great pickup, and appears from the outside to fit in with this club.

But with Ned in charge, you’re dreaming if you think it’ll be $2 million. More likely Ned will channel his inner Uribe and sign him for 2 years and $13.5 million.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

yikes

plus Rivera will get calls I bet, from teams like Philly, who need righty power.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see it now

Ruben Amaro Jr. sits in a room with his buddies next season.

“So then this guy calls me, and I know he’s with Ned, and I say…I say, hah, “Rivera? Oh hell yeah, I am high on that guy…how much, jeez I’d be willing to go as high as $11.2 to $11.5. So then two days later, I shit you not, Dodgers pick up Rivera for $13 Million, can you believe that, oh man what a tool, HA HA HA!”

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sad but true

It will turn out that Ned bids against himself.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking of the Ned that signed Orlando Hudson for 1 yr/$5m

Not the Ned that signed Juan Pierre, Juan Uribe, Mark Guerrier, Dioner Navarro, Rod Barajas, Ted Lilly, Jason Schmidt, Luis Gonzalez, Nomar Garciaparra, and Andruw Jones, and bid for Aubrey Huff.
/grasping at straws while crossing my fingers

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is enough bad without overstating

I thought Andruw was a bargain

and Manny well negotiated

Rod has been a bargain compared to Martin

Lilly will hurt before it is over, but has pitched well

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of agree. But I think Ned overpaid for Manny (a bit), and aren’t we only saving $1.75 million with Rod over Russell? (I’m glad we have Rod over Martin, but it isn’t that much of a bargain for very similar stats, per today’s LA Times.)

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always come back to Manny not being overpaid relative to what he was expected to sign for/what he wanted/Ned signing for the same total as his original offer.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I didn’t – I hated his declining peripherals from the previous two seasons

Yes he was, but I didn’t mention Manny

You’re right, shouldn’t have included Rod

Lilly’s hurt the team this year compared to what he had done the previous couple years

Hudson was a real bargain, I thought.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love that, but if you look at the salary chart on the right the Hudson deal was an anomaly.

$114 million total, $33 million on the DL, $14.7 millioin playing somewhere else, and over $16 million deferred. Only $50 million sitting in the dugout ready to play.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jamey Carrol

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

when ned spends small

he spends well.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thames and Gibbons wonder how small is small?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

<$5m, >Shit it’s February I need a contract

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I fail to see how the DL total is Ned’s fault

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the worst signing in Dodger history

Gave a pitcher $47 million over three years after his MRI showed a torn rotator cuff and his average fastball velocity in the previous season dropped significantly over the final weeks.
/Conte’d

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm…that would be an interesting discussion, wouldn’t it? So many to choose from!

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it’s not all his fault; although you could argue that with Uribe and Blake there was an assumed risk of the DL.

My point is we have less than half of our payroll available to play. That may not be Ned’s “fault”, but it is hiss responsibility and I get extremely frustrated every time I look at that payroll list.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Blake was overall really healthy over the first two years, and the third year was what got him here.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rafy, Blake, Uribe, Garland, Padilla – all DL risks based on either prior work or age or MRI’s or body type.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: body type—that’s my biggest fear in even thinking of signing Prince to a 7 year deal.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prince

is a lot more athletic than Mo Vaughn ever was

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, but his body type screams early age problems.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he's vegan!

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

my roommate my freshman year

of college was vegan. she managed to find out that all sorts of junk foods are vegan. like oreos, apparently.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 23, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude eats a shitload of veggies then.

(and i heard he’s no longer a veggie)

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did his dad lose all his veggies to a 5th grader?

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWO inside the park home runs.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

and we all knew Andruw Jones had become a fat ass. why Uribe?

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uribe was always fat. Ned probably assumed he was used to being fat.

Andruw had new found fat. He obviously didn’t like the new fat.

by keithc13 on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Padilla was a good low risk/high reward signing that didn’t work out, and I don’t think we are nearly as good in 2008 and 2009 without Raffy or Blake.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure but your question is how can you blame Ned for the DL and that is why. When you people to three year deals, you can probably expect some DL time for those guys who are old by the time the deal is up(Blake), DL time for those who have already spent a good amount of time on the DL (Rafy), even one year deals for Padilla (who missed time in the previous year), or a body type like Uribe in his 30’s, or someone like Garland who was passed on by everyone else because of his MRI. So Yes, you can blame Ned for the DL time even though it was the cost of doing business to build a team.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough, but I think he did a great job going for it in 2008, 2009 and 2010 (even though it didn’t work out because of the Dreinjury, Kemp slump and Manny suspension), and I’m okay if the idea was that 2011 was probably the cost of making a run.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Manny injuries…….

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broxton having no heart

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Matt Stairs and Rollins having to much

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Brox would have grown some goddamned facial hair he might have been able to get that fastball by him

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

This seems right up Ned's alley

A decent veteran that Ned can pick up on the cheap (well relatively inexpensive).

However, depending on who you believe, if the Dodgers are trying to figure out a way to finance a deal with Fielder, that could change everything.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I saw through your dirty erotic ruse

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were released awhile ago

Errr, I mean, I don’t look at such things.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

sneaky fucking russian

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. But that was the fastest I ever hit a link in here.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im pissed at the result…not the idea.

Im more mad that Im dumb…

:)

by keithc13 on Sep 23, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well bowled, sir.

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish sometimes

I lived even remotely close to some of these events. Now that I’m working and can actually afford it, we need to do another minor league night in the IE, I’m pretty close to… well, virtually all of the (Southern) Cal league teams.

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I report this as spam?

by Grimjack on Sep 23, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Money Ball

FYI, my wife and 2 of my daughters went to see it this morning and liked it.

Spoiler alert: A’s don’t win a World Series.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Soylent Green is people

IT’S PEOPLE!!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luke kissed his sister.

cal. lakers. dodgers. packers. chelsea.
vols. rangers. galaxy.

by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey

she kissed him

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was like a tie.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

tie nothing

she grabbed his head and planted one on him

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not in the George Lucas revised edition. Luke bends her over backwards and shoves his tongue down her throat.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lucas is sexually assaulting our childhood

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least it was only his tongue.

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to me its getting pretty good reviews

The only negative ones seem to be folks irritated with Moneyball in general, not necessarily the movie.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Joe Morgan will see the movie, since he can’t won’t read the book.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Billy Beane made a movie about himself and made Brad Pitt star as himself, Joe Morgan won’t put up with that type of arrogance.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be more accurate - according to Morgan

Beane adapted a screenplay, from a book he wrote, starring Pitt as the hero (Beane) who single-handedly saved baseball.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should’ve cast Don Cheadle as Joe Morgan and given him the War Machine suit.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

And forced the producers to cast a schlub in the role as Beane’s #2 to make himself look even better in comparison?

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only shit that Joe Morgan ever did that I gave a fuck about was how he pronounced Eddie Murray’s name.

by keithc13 on Sep 23, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

on that note

it always cracked me up how Jon Miller pronounced Adrian Beltre’s name.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does say it weird…

by keithc13 on Sep 23, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im thinking about going tonight

by keithc13 on Sep 23, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You get first run movies in Arkansas??????

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Gonna hitch up tha wagons and head on over to the movin picture show

by keithc13 on Sep 23, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

But there is a Dodger game tonight

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

No creative freedoms with the ending, eh?

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The A’s don’t win it, the A’s don’t win it. Oh my god, the A’s don’t win it!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah they didnt even win a World Series, so its a movie about something that didnt work, sweet…. But I guess since ive seen Meatballs and Spaceballs, I’ll see Moneyballs too.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

its a movie about something that didnt work, sweet

This is why the book was written.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s Moneyball (singular).

I think Moneyballs (plural) is a porn flick.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moneyballs

main character: Billy Bone

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha thats funny man… Who would play the little plump guys character? whats that plump porn guys name again?

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ron Jeremy?

He’s a little beyond plump these days.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

got it, Ron Jeremy, he’ll play the other guy.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

"What does she do?" (points)

“You want me to speak?”

“When I point at you, yes.”

“She lets you get to third base.”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peter Grand

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weirdly

The veteran player he gets for half price is still David Justice. And the role is actually played by David Justice.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because everyone knows that “David” equates to “packing the goods”.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still confused by Royce Clayton = Miguel Tejada.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

how old are your daughters if I may ask… mine is 9, and im stuck watching Dolphin Tale tonight.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The two that went are 24 and 22. I remember your pain the joy you are going through with your daughter.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t 9 all kinds of great compared to 13 -17?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

My daughter had one super-angsty phase for about one semester in HS. The rest of time, she wasn’t too difficult. But nine is really in the sweet spot.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I teach 4th graders in religious school. They start out cute and likable. Most of them make it all the way through the year without becoming awful people.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

My wife teaches 4th grade for LAUSD – it is a great age.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course. They all have Jewish mothers.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, they don’t.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

NLTFGITWOAGJ

Never let the facts get in the way of a good joke.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Humma’s Law is easier to say

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That can be Humma’s Second Law.

Humma’s First LAw, of course, is: Anything can happen, but it won’t.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which law is “whatever the Dodgers decide to do with Loney it will be the wrong decision”?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is Hollywood Joe’s Maxim.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would is surprise anyone if HJ was the founder of Maxim?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe that Joe has the talent, brains, money, heterosexuality, and connections to found Maxim.

I do not believe he has insufficient taste to found Maxim. As in, too much taste.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Christina Hendricks hasn’t been in Maxim near enough for HJ to be running it.

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kat Denning, the newer younger model.

by Grimjack on Sep 23, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The number of parents who have come back to Verdell to say OMG those were the best years.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ranges change with each kid. All I know is you have some interesting years ahead of you.

I wouldn’t trade them for anything, but let’s just say we had some interesting times while they were coming of age. And remember, i have 3 girls, all within 3 years of age of each other.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ever get John Sebastioned?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The music was never as bad as the crap TV shows I had to endure.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strike

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll only be impressed if they were by three different women.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I’m not a Bronco running back; or Shawn Kemp.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

cromartie is my generations shawn kemp

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm, I should get that reference but don't...

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by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

The imdb description makes it sound like the most boring thing ever:

The story of Oakland A’s general manager Billy Beane’s successful attempt to put together a baseball club on a budget by employing computer-generated analysis to draft his players.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

not nice but funny

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jon Weisman convinced me to see Moneyball, he may have been the only person who could.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Fun with Numbers

Last 14 Days
Lowest wOBA belongs to Trayvon Robinson at .151
Highest wOBA belongs to Pablo Sandoval at .620

Beltre is 2nd at .580

Mike Moustakas says don’t forget about me in your 2012 roto auction is at .509

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I could see Tray becoming the Devon White of this generation. Overrated because of early highlights.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a while Devon White was the best defensive CF I’d ever seen. As a Dodger he was done but hardly overrated in his career.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still remember the Angels had a scorecard on one of their homestands with Devo standing in full uniform in front of a fighter jet with the caption “Secretary of Defense”.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Erstad, Devon White, Pettis, and now Bourjos the Angels have had way to many great defensive center fielders. Hell even Edmunds was there for a while.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torii and Sarge II could pick it too.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And one of the best catches I ever saw (on TV) was by Fred Lynn when he was in CF for the halos. He and Brian Downing (in LF) were going after a deep fly and downing crashed into the wall ahead of Lynn. Downing had no chance to catch it (he wasn’t a good outfielder), but he hit the wall so hard he pushed it back (the old plywood days at Anaheim Stadium) and Lynn came over the top of him to catch it before hitting the wall himself. That used to be on either the opening or closing video momtage on TWIB

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That catch has gotten a lot of play recently on MLB Network

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Lynn then miss at least three weeks while Downing was playing the next day:)

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasnt thinking about defense

but yeah, in that case he wasn’t overrated.

My dad claims Petis to be the best defensive CFer of all time

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should add, that because Devo had a few years where he was on great teams and scored a lot of runs, he was considered by many to be a good offensive player

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rk Player Rfield From To Age G OPS Pos
1 Devon White 65 1985 1990 22-27 612 .683 *89/7D
2 Gary Pettis 56 1982 1987 24-29 584 .651 *8/D79
3 Jim Edmonds 28 1993 1999 23-29 709 .856 *8/739D
4 Peter Bourjos 24 2010 2011 23-24 192 .727 *8

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/23/2011.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The resurgence of James “Prince Albert” Loney has made Tray hindsight-expendable.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric - thanks for the link to the Vin/Zim story

Freakin’ hilarious. Too bad I didn’t wander into the media dining room at that time. And now I know to time it for around 6:40.

I forgot to put in my preview that Vin was wearing a lightish-to-medium blue jacket. You wouldn’t have gotten that elsewhere.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah

i was cracking up at that.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soooo late to the party

Prediction:

Rivera WILL be part of the Dodgers, but should not.

Question: do we really think that the best deal Rivera will be able to get is a $2 million deal to play a reserve role? I know the dude was released earlier this year, but I gotta think that the same reasons that would encourage the Dodgers to bring him back would encourage some team to hand him a starting job (and more than $2 million, too). And maybe that team is the Dodgers, which is just depressing.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Hard to tell what the market will be for him. Two seems cheap but Thames didn’t get much coming off a fairly comparable year with the Yankee’s

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me, too, of course, but I’ve been surprised in my life. This one wouldn’t exactly make my monocle pop off my face.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about this?

[imagine Christina Hendricks photo here]


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fortunately, the monocle bounces right off her and directly back into my eye.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't be surprised if he isn't

I think/hope/pray that Mattingly puts Ethier in LF and Jerry in RF.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

From ESPN

per Elias:

How rare is it for a player to be this close, this late in the season, to the Triple Crown? Since Yastrzemski won it in 1967, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, Kemp is the only player to date to be within five points of the league leader in batting average (or leading), within one HR of the league leader (or leading), and within one RBI of the league leader (or leading), in the last 15 days of the season, let alone the last week of the season.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

And that’s what you call a deep pull.

I’d like to see the SQL statement for that query.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

All this Triple Crown frenzy should be nailing down the MVP for him

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Regardless of if he gets the TC or not, he’s getting a ton of attention when it counts, so if he hits like we know he can this weekend, even if Braun and Pujols don’t falter, I think he’s got a decent shot.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless, y’know, he doesn’t win the triple crown.

I will note that if he can pull it off, he would be the first bison ever to win the triple crown.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t fit in the stalls at Pimlico.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it matters, the numbers that Eric just pulled from Elias will shock everyone into voting for him.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish someone had brought up how close he was to the triple crown three weeks ago

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did on Dodger Talk about a month ago…but then again, it’s Dodger Talk.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Rivera please

He will be another in a long line of midseason acquisitions who disappoint the following year. We’ve seen his best and it was basically free. Don’t want to pay him.

by BFDC on Sep 23, 2011 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

i agree with a lot of what people said above. i’d take him for around 2 mil. but i have a feeling colletti will take him for much much more.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t you already know who is going tonight by now?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Turns out, pimping really is easy. And Dave said I should.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, but ain’t no one going who wasn’t already going.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

worth it for Court’s reaction

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, even got me until I saw who posted the link

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really, as soon I saw that about a million great promo days popped into my head.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, you got me on that one

“Hey Magic, meet me at Chuyach we’ll work out the detes!”

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Magic was in on an NFL team? If he really is interested in Dodgers, wonder if that means NFL isnt happening, or maybe he wants both. Would love to see how Snoop pimps out Dodger Stadium though.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

click the link dude

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

dam, its right next to Curry Bowl too? How many bowling alleys they got in that area??

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, man he got me again, same thing with the Scarlett Jo pics.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be worth the drive

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

You want ScarJo pics?

I can get you ScarJo pics…actually so can you, its called Google image search.

And now there is a local Angelino who’s helping the cause as well.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at this game. And yes. It does explain a lot.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thankfully, I didn’t click on the link this time. (But I almost did)

And here I had images of them bringing back the bullpen car, Snoop style.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Caddy, spinners, MagicTV network feed and Katt Williams standup on the TVs in the backseat, hotboxed.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Don Mattingly can wear loc’s in the dugout.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I’m getting from this is: jokes aside, Snoop Dogg really should team up with Magic to buy the Dodgers. Good gosh.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had originally typed Flava Flav, but knew Snoop Dogg would get more play

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have gone with Snoopy Doopy Poop Dogg.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

woah woah waoh, lets not get crazy now… He is one of the greatest rappers/gangbangers of all time man, you gotta respect the game.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dog

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

jokes aside, Snoop Dogg really should team up with Magic to buy the Dodgers

Should have been:

Jokes aside, ANYONE should team up with ANYONE to buy the Dodgers.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

I approve this message!

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless it was Trump

Frank, you are a bad business man, you brought this team to its knees, you deserve to be shot, and you are a horrible human being. Yer Fiyahd!

Say, are we still on for golf later?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Save perhaps

“certain state-owned investment institutions of the People’s Republic of China”

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

“certain state-owned investment institutions”*

*child labor camps where major league uniforms are sewn

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Majestic’s authentic jerseys are made in Easton, PA.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, wonder if that’s where my Easton glove is from?

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 23, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cube is one of the richest guys in Hollywood

maybe he can do it. Not sure how the LAPD would feel doing off duty work for the man who penned “Fuck the Police”

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one liked Sting

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can dig it, I can dig it.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

They cant take it personal…. aint nothing too it, gangster rap made Cube do it!

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

but seriously as long as they are getting paid, im sure they dont care.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, im not being serious. Cube sold out a long time ago.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone should have told Grant that nobody averages five at-bats per game before he made that chart.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why? It’s obviously not science. It’s a rough guide to show some potential outcomes.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

All are based on 30 at-bats. It is extremely unlikely the three players will get 30 PA, let alone 30 AB in six games.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

K.

Just some “for-fun” scenarios…you know just like…
“Kemp needs a Jerry Sands-like run (16 for 30) over the last eight games to get to a batting average of .332”

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it turns out it is amazingly easier and much more likely to get 30 at-bats in eight games than it is in six games.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that Braun’s BA remains identitical throughout those games? i don’t want to argue, all I did was post a chart that I thought was mildly interesting.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

My entire sentence, which you clipped:

Kemp needs a Jerry Sands-like run (16 for 30) over the last eight games to get to a batting average of .332, so he likely needs a slump from both Reyes and Braun to capture the batting title.

The most at-bats Kemp has in any five-game stretch this season is 27, which he has done twice. He is averaging 3.72 AB per game this year, which not only isn’t five per game, it’s not even four.

Jose Reyes is one of 17 qualified players in MLB this season to average at least four AB/game, and he is at 4.29. He did reach 31 at-bats in one five-game stretch, but never had more than 29 in any other five-game stretch.

I enjoyed Grant’s article, and liked the idea of the chart. But the numbers in the chart are mostly useless. I wish he would have used a different number like 25 or less, something much more realistic. He gave us scenarios that have almost no shot of happening, and I think he should have taken an extra step.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you. I saw the article and immediately blanched at the line about 5 AB per game.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

And here’s Grant’s comment on his own chart:
“Obviously, this isn’t and can’t be exact. Braun might get some rest before the playoffs. Reyes’s hamstrings might turn into a liquid and seep out of his pores. But it gives you an idea of how hot or cold the three players would have to get over the next six games, for there to be some shuffling.”

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

My biggest problem with it is that it doesn’t show what’s going to happen when Kemp goes 25-30 for the greatest offensive stretch in MLB history.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s math. And math is a science. The best one, I might add.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

“But its ruining the magic of sports!”

/whitlock’d

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

electricity was so much better before I took 8th grade science

ruined the mystery of why my lights worked

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of awesoke

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

after we get rid of all the trash on the bench (brox / kuo / garland / blake / padilla ) and pay for the raises of guys like kemp / kershaw / ethier, by my calculations we have about 5-7 to spend if we’re keeping the payroll at this year’s level. maybe that all goes to resigning kuroda but i don’t see much on the horizon

and this estimate includes going for loney@ 7mil / per.

we have to win the dodger way. kershaw is a dodger style pitcher. home grown. we need to stop spending on middling free agents and lets the rocky growth come from within.

by raj m on Sep 23, 2011 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

trash?

c’mon dude, let’s not be harsh

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except that if Kuroda re-signs, it’s likely for the same or less money than he got this year, so it’s a wash.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless he takes the attitude, “make it worth my while to come back to the Dodgers next season”. The price might go up a bit.

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn’t last year, I can’t imagine him doing it this year.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda isnt like that, he is about family and honor, not money.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did he tell you that last time you were at his house for a barbecue?

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha hell yeah, well, through my interpreter anyways.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not suggesting this would be his plan going in. More along these lines: Ned not feeling comfortable finding someone as good, and trying to “make him an offer he can not refuse”. I don’t believe his main motivation is money, though, so most likely you are correct.

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

what else were they? i love kuo ( i have the bat flip saved to my hard drive, most epic thing i’ve ever seen) but he was awful this year. same for brox (granted her was injured). blake and his injured cervix were barely serviceable this year and I don’t see him being more of an upgrade over some players we have in the minors.

my point is if we’re going to suck (as 2012 is being projected) why not suck with our youngsters then overpaid broken down veterans?

by raj m on Sep 23, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought this was to the bowling thing again.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes when you bluff, you have to holding the winning cards, and this is the internet, you’ve already forgot I pranked it three times today, not two.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you are going to finally link to the goods

Why aren’t they pics of ScarJo’s butt?

Just saying, you catch bees with honey, not vinegar.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’re not going to fall for it again!


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way I’m clicking on anything else from that bastard today.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he titles it Bowling, maybe you’ll think it’s really a pic of boobs.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rivera knows how to hit and knows how to play

He’s been the 2nd best hitter on the team since his arrival and has
been a key to the offense turning around. But you’re only willing to pay him
2 million? Really?

by Freddy V on Sep 23, 2011 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

The Ghost of Ronnie Belliard rattles it’s chains

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 23, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ghost of Rinnie Belliard

probably still weighs more than Dee Gordon.

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

well I dont know what i’d pay him… I wouldnt mind him being on team next year forsure… But 1st comes Kemp, then comes Fielder, then we’ll see after that.

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just a quick and dirty look at Juan Rivera’s OPS through the years:

2007: .737 (91 OPS+)
2008: .720 (86)
2009: .810 (111)
2010: .721 (99)
2011: .722 (97)

I think we have a good idea of his production level.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had a broken leg there though.. Plus, what is 2 mill compared to what they’ve paid outright failures much more?

by Freddy V on Sep 23, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

$2 million is what I would pay him.

There is no logic behind “well we paid $36 million for Andruw Jones, so why not give $5 million to Juan Rivera?”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

does not work anywhere

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, has the trade been completed with the Blue Jays for Rivera?

by uschris0304 on Sep 23, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so, but I haven’t really heard.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably DeJesus:)

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

that dude can walk on water he is so good

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he still can’t hit a curveball.

Wake me when we develop DeJobu.

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

the broken leg was a LONG time ago

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, he really struggled with biology in 9th grade.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is nothing dirty about that look

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm personally less worried about money per se and more worried about what the contract length will b

1 year at $4 mil works better for me than being locked in for 2-3 years when you know he will slide down within a year anyway.

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by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes – I would not go beyond one year, even if at a premium for that year.

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

they were speculating on Dodgers Live last night

that he could get a one year deal with an option.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is his OPS since coming to the Dodgers

I’m guessing it might be on the higher side, which always tends to skew our view of him.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eenteresting....
@BillShaikin
MLB asks bankruptcy court to order sale of #Dodgers, says McCourt’s plan to reorganize by selling TV rights is “dead on arrival.”

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by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

hmmmmmmmmm

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

too bad BH is in London, who knows when he’ll be back online

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

have fun BH

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

More

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mlb-dodgers-20110924,0,3508892.story

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harsh
“No one will pay the [Dodgers] to broadcast Dodgers games if the club is not part of Major League Baseball,” the filing reads. “Consequently, the [Dodgers’] path in this case is a dead end or worse.”

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, you can hear Bud’s dick land on the desk with that one

thud

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bud plays himself in the Moneyballs movie?


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by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers could become baseball’s version of the Harlem Globetrotters!

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

prior to that
A sale of TV rights now not only would subject the Dodgers to significant damages in a lawsuit from Fox, baseball argued, but could result in MLB discipline up to and including the team’s suspension from the league.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

team’s suspension? fuck that

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 23, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

A money quote if there ever was one.

Once again, October 12 = big day

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea

Thats when we find out when the hearing is being re-scheduled for!

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

10/12 is the date for the hearing, not necessarily a decision, right?


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by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wondered when this was coming.

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought they where not going to do that

seriously thought they where going to let frank keep the team. Hm.

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is going to be the story that ARod’s the World Series.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

for sure would sink a Detroit v Brewers affair

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB and Bud pulling out all the stops to punch Frank in the gut

I’d pull a Tony the Tiger and say “This is GRRRRRREAT!”

But I got into a little bit of trouble for rooting for Frank’s demise in a previous thread, so I’ll just say, hmmmmm.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

See this is what I am literally praying for
The league asked the judge to act even before the expiration of McCourt’s exclusive window to propose a reorganization plan so the Dodgers could “emerge quickly from bankruptcy under new ownership and with the financial stability necessary to adequately prepare for the 2012 baseball season and beyond.”

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

go mlb go!

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now they get aggressive

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I don't get all the intricacies of the legal maneuvers

But you got the sense that this was Selig’s strategy the whole time, so why did he wait so long to put this out there officially?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hate to be near/around/or working next to

McCourt today when he heard this.

I’m guessing he’s not going on this road trip. Then again, does he ever?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

cue: Kenny Rodgers

“You gotta know when to hold’em”

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, then look at this...
In a separate filing, the league asked that the Dodgers’ bankruptcy attorneys be disqualified because they represent the interests of McCourt rather than those of the team.

Selig going for the jugular. He’s laid out a case where McCourt can’t go for TV money, (cause Fox will sue) he can’t use any of his own money (he doesn’t have any) and if they have to MLB will kick the Dodgers out of the league.

Oh and Frank, your lawyers don’t count either, booyah! MLB laying the hammer down, good lord.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB’s argument in a nutshell: “Your honor, Mr McCourt can not be trusted to have the Los Angeles Dodgers’ long term interests in mind with his continued ownership of the team.”

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Works for me

But McCourt is a fighter, I think he will see this as personal, and he will punish Selig as much as possible to prove his point. Which in turn could damage the Dodgers, scary.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If McCourt didn’t realize this was personal long ago then he is bigger moron than I thought.

by VegasBlues on Sep 23, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well to be fair

A.) I should have said "But McCourt is a fighter, I think he will sees this as personal

and

B.) Don’t underestimate the blind stupidity of Frank, remember he still believes he can maintain ownership of this team (both from MLB and Jaimie) turn the sinking ship, and leave a “legacy” for his children in Los Angeles. He ain’t smart.

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by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to be that stupid.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good guys -- could see history tonight

Gordon SS
Sellers 3B
Kemp CF
Sands RF
Oeltjen LF
Mitchell 1B
Federowicz C
Velez 2B
Lilly P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel bad for Eugenio Velez.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

in what way, that someone so bad at his job can still make 1/2 a million?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, i dont feel bad about that. i just feel bad that mattingly keeps giving him a chance to snap his “slump” when really he’s just forcing him to continuously embarass himself.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude is living the dream

I’d hate to be 0 for a zillion or whatever he is

but if you gave me the choice of 0 for a zillion or not being in the bigs….I go 0 for a zillion

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is the exact Eugenio-for count?

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

0-for-33 as it stands now.

by EMDarrow on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

0 for 33 on the season
0 for last 42

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

So 0-45 is in play tonight. I’m excited.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the estate of Hal Finney will be watching, as he holds the record for most AB in a season without a hit (35) by a position player.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would too. but that's coming from someone whose a major baseball fan and has never swung a bat professionally. nobody likes to be bad at what they do, especially when what they do is broadcast nationally. i'm sure velez is happy to sit in the dugout and count his money, but it's gotta really suck to do that poorly.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I’m sure it sucks for him, but he’s one guy, it also sucks for 5 Million fans. Feel for me my brother.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am sure it sucks, and it is frustrating, it would kill me like eating glass

but better than not playing

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to assume the guy would rather go 0-for-100 and be itching for at bat #101 rather than sitting there hoping his name doesn’t get called.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

a hit is always the next swing away

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

FedEx’s first career triple?

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Donny going all out now that he’s playing a team that doesn’t matter. Basically Kemp and a bunch of whatever.

by Michael White on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't really surprising or unusual is it?

Totally expected there’d be a lot of different guys playing this weekend.

But yeah, Kemp can prove that he can rake no matter who is in the lineup, and by sheer Bison-itude get some of those guys on base, too. :-)

Er, except for Velez.

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by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

fewest years of service time for a starting lineup in LA Dodgers history?

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, September lineups over the years have been full of these things.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I guess Velez and Lilly have a bunch of years.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume Kemp has more than Eugenio too.

by Michael White on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big moment for Velez

I have no idea who is pitching but if I was pitching and I saw this lineup I’d be thinking a no hitter with four walks is the way to go here.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really – intentional walks each time for Kemp – they would be idiots to play it any other way.

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon triple, Sellers double, Kemp IBB, Sands HR. Bam.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

can’t raise your average by walking, and since it’s a meaningless game and both sides know Kemp is chasing the triple crown, unwritten rules/general integrity says pitch to him.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, stop writing what I am writing

look below

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The dude has the highest walk rate in the rotation, you can’t make someone into something he is not.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he sucks and walks him that is slightly different, but even then they won’t pitch him that close, they will challenge him

it is the law of the west

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha, i saw that after i hit post

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct – no intentional BBs.

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade Leblanc

whom Kemp is 2 for 13 career against.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

You heard it here

Velez will get his first hit of the year in the 8th inning, which will extend the inning just enough for Kemp to get up in the 9th and homer

Velez becomes a legend

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

THAT would be a great story.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually have a feeling Velez gets a hit today. Even if a flukey one (well of course it will be flukey)

I don’t need to add that he is “due”. But I feel it coming…

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by underdog on Sep 23, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

nobody is going to walk Kemp in the Padre series – if they do, that will be bush to the extreme and a violation of the code

Meaningless game, guy is chasing down a batting title (and more), you don’t take him out of the game

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

They did that in Mr. 3000.

Then again, Kemp is no asshole.

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thankfully have never seen Mr. 3000

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually an enjoyable movie.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

are the baseball scenes bad?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but the premise is cool

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think by the end of the movie you will have a slight smile on your face.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

good enough for me

next time it is on….maybe

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, I was about to suggest to rent it if it is cheap enough.

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

does that even exist anymore?

can you still do that?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flickster is just a flick away

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

as long as you ster it.

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you look around LA (at least our neck of LA, I live in WeHo) you’ll see A LOT of empty BLockbusters from about the last year or so. I worked for Blockbuster for about 9 months and it was a surprisingly good job, which makes it that much more depressing how many of them are folding.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I could suggest torrenting it.

But that’s illegal, ya’know.

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just going to apply all of the comments on this movie to Baseketball.

by court168627 on Sep 23, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not bad, I enjoyed it. Not all that many baseball scenes, actually.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is good if you want a cheap baseball movie with a couple of laughs and you turn off your brain.

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most disappointing movie I have ever seen.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is that possible, you would have had to have high expectations for this to be true.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did have reasonably high expectations. It was a baseball movie with an amusing premise and a pretty decent trailer. It was botched across the board.

Little Big League and Rookie of the Year were more realistic to me.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about Angels in the Outfield?

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

how droll

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, I had little expectations as I do for every baseball movie, for whatever reason I enjoyed it, possible if I saw it again I’d be in a different mood and not like it.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

True. I may have just seen it at a bad time.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The scene in little big league when the general manager tries to convince the kid manager/owner to bunt his clean-up hitter is fantastic.

by Michael White on Sep 23, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

been way too long

since I watch that

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on now, that’s not fair. If Little Big League was the bar you set for Mr. 3000 then it never stood a chance! :)

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad News Bears in Breaking Training was better than Mr. 3000.

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by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just saying I really, really love Little Big League. It’s my #3 favorite baseball movie behind Bull Durham and Field of Dreams.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think of Field of Dreams as a baseball movie, even though there is obviously baseball in it.

The Sandlot
Bull Durham
For the Love of the Game
The Natural
Pastime

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by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to love "For the Love" more than I did

It had Vin in it, so that automatically bumps it up, and Kelly Preston is hot, but some of those scenes were pretty schmaltzy.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can never come up with a top 5 baseball movies because there are 7 or 8 movies I really like. Field of Dreams is definitely near the top though. I’m not sure how it can be seen as anything other then a baseball movie.

To each their own, I guess.

by VegasBlues on Sep 23, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear a lot of buzz for

Eight Men Out and Bang The Drum Slowly though, somehow, I’ve seen neither.


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by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

need to see 61

and eight men out

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

(i need to)

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really not to be missed. Haven’t read BTDS, but EMO captured the book well.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 23, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eight Men out is great

Haven’t seen 61, should check that.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t like Bang the Drum Slowly. The story was fine, but Deniro was a dreadful baseball player. Like Freddie Prinze Jr. bad.

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by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will get boooooed off the boards for this one

But I’ll admit to liking a baseball movie that I’m guessing is universally loathed around here.

Fever Pitch
(ducks)
woah woah, was that a bowling ball someone just threw at me, easy guys, easy

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed fever pitch

its been a long time since I watched it, and it was really poorly made, but it was funny. Plus Jessica Alba.

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jessica Alba???

Are we thinking of the same flick? It had Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore, don’t remember Alba’s part.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

we are not

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what are you thinking of

Now I am curious, Baseball + Alba? Hmm?

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Summer Catch had Jessica Biel. Did it have Alba too?

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by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm all over the place right now

its been so long since either of those two where relevant I mixed them up

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can top that

The Babe, wherein John Goodman rounds the bases on a popup between home and third.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 23, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That might be next on my list. I enjoyed it. Baseball + Geometry teacher is a good start to appeal to me.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, people didn't kill me as quickly as I expected

I mean, it did have some typical Farrelly brothers humor.

Why are you shaving my balls?
You don’t want me to shave your balls, I won’t shave your balls.
NO I DONT WANT YOU TO SHAVE MY BALLS, GET OUTTA HERE!

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That X-Files episode with the baseball play alien is great.

Episode’s title is “The Unnatural”. And Vin’s voice is in it!

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Carter, creator of X-Files

Loves the Dodgers and Vin. Hence the name Dana Scully

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh, yeah, I know.

Except this episode was written by David Duchovny.

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by Julio Pena on Sep 23, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

ever see tomorrow before mixed in with a touch of right now and a little but of yesterday and a dash of what will never be?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every time I see a Jerry Sands at bat.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

booooooooo

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am half nodding and half booing

His recent streak defies luck
His recent streak defies luck
His recent streak defies luck

Keep saying it, you’ll feel better

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

meh

his season babip is all of .310. .5 war in 55 ABs. Not a bad start.

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

fwar

bwar has him with .2 o-war.

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s hit the ball hard, no doubt. But he’s taking really, really shitty swings to do it and he’s no Vlad/Panda in his approach. he’s trying to take good swings, he’s just not at a point where he can do it aggressively without thinking about it first.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll take shitty swings for homers any day.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 23, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, those don’t last.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok

this has to be the worst lineup all season

by shaqfor3 on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

at least velez isn’t hitting second with Carroll 8th

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for that, Russ is going to leave the yard

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure win tonight – absolutely zero pressure on these guys. They’ll have fun!

by latenite on Sep 23, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i missed ya sellers

knock em dead!

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow… finally took a good look at that lineup.

ok…

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just remember

LeBlanc is the lousy lefty
Leubke is the good lefty

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I won't

but I appreciate that you care

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is the extent of my Padre preview

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awww, just screw it. Nobody’s listening anyway.

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as we get to face LeBlanc.

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by cldpc on Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade Leblanc is 4th on the Padres in OPS.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Hundley

best catcher in baseball no one has heard of?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I hated him when he played for us.

/notserious

by VegasBlues on Sep 23, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Avila might still qualify.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy Shit

The Padres are doing a Leonard Gary Gabrielson

Entering tonight they have no one on the active roster who has hit at least 10 home runs.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SDP/2011.shtml

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the flip side, only one guy on the team has 100 K’s. Would have never guessed that Taco Maybin was leading the team (Ludwick excepted).

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

When was the last time a team’s leading HR hitter had less than 10 home runs?

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude its the padres

they just call that tuesday

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the end of a season, I meant.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Padres
2011 – Zero
2010 – Five
2009 – Six
2008 – Six

This is a twee bit amazing

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gabrielson had 10 in 68, don’t recall anyone modern team being less then that.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

In contrast, if the Yankees start Andruw Jones in LF instead of Gardner and keep the rest of the starting lineup intact, the only player with less than 10 home runs in their lineup would be Jeter.

by fbihop on Sep 23, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robert Erlin and Joe Wieland must have thought they’d gone to heaven when they got traded to the Padres from the Rangers.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

So long Suchon and Block, I liked you.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they will be affected

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dilbeck says those two are still under contract to KABC, so they would be affected. Never mind

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t they just let them out of the contract, what would be the point?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, I would imagine both will move over to KLAC, but hell, who knows?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I can’t imagine conservative talk radio having a need for either of them.

by G.Scott on Sep 23, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The positive for me is that after I’ve left my station on 790 I won’t say WTF for the first few minutes when I turn on the car.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

At one time KLAC was the only country station in LA, what do they do know in the off hours, are they also talk radio?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember them as Big Band music when they didn’t have Lakers.

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by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of accidentally listening to conservative talk radio, you’ll listen to just dumb people saying some dumb stuff.

by Tripon on Sep 23, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hooray for non-partisan stupidity over partisan stupidity!

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sports talk radio is partisan stupidity, just different partisans.


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by David Young on Sep 23, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I might argue that Hartman and the "Loose Cannons"

Get pretty political, and they are REAL REAL stupid. It makes you shudder if you ever agree with them.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t Jim Healy on KLAC?

by KellyStephen on Sep 23, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

My wife was appalled

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 23, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked Levine better than Block. Maybe KLAC would bring him back. I like Suchon though.

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by Nolij on Sep 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Levine left so he could broadcast for the Mariners. Give him an announcer job, and he’ll likely come back.

by Tripon on Sep 23, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll want to punch my face in less

when I scroll past that preset and the dodgers aren’t playing!

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

YEAH

I get KLAC, I don’t get KABC

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well they lost the Lakers

So now they get the Dodgers. Steve Hartman won’t be happy he will have to talk Dodgers, he only wants to yell about things like the RRRRRAAIDAHS and other non-LA stories.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I enjoy bashing Hartman,

He does care about how well the dodgers are doing when he has to talk about them when doing sports on channel 5. With that being said the dude is an enema bottle.

by Grimjack on Sep 23, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Enema bottle, good one

I agree that he cares about them, you can tell, but I feel like he sells out rational discourse for what he perceives will generate “buzz” and “controversy” so as to improve ratings. Also he’s incredibly arrogant, and when he and Vick da Brick just turn to yelling and shouting, it is just the worst.

WHAMMY!

by Champ Kind on Sep 23, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vic de Brick = Bad Radio

Steve Hartman, best used to loosen bowels.

by Grimjack on Sep 23, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it is raining on the East Coast

Huge Boston/NYY game postponed

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Met/Philly postponed – Reyes stays at .329

Delay in Cleveland

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

my hopes can be crushed another day

I suppose

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good news, Lackey convinced them to let him pitch Sunday

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

nicccccccce

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh why did I go back to halos heaven

why?

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never been, is the problem the site manager, moderators, or the members?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

the fact that the main writer/manager is somewhat mean spirited doesn’t help at all, the members kind of follow suit.

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Double header on Sunday. Boston’s pitching will suffer, but they might get a weak Yankee lineup in one of the games.

by VegasBlues on Sep 23, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strasburgh going tonight, must feel like 2nd hand news after that starting debut by Moore yesterday.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Is Strasburg yesterday’s news??!

by silverwidow on Sep 23, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is old hotness

moore is new hotness

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by nolander on Sep 23, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

When is Xeifrank due back?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

People who will stare in awe while Matt Kemp is at the plate

Maybin CF
Bartlett SS
Denorfia RF
Hundley C
Hudson 2B
Cunningham LF
Gonzalez 1B
Parrino 3B
LeBlanc P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 23, 2011 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, if Clayton was pitching I’d bet on a no no

Lilly might even be able to go seven.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting two inning for Morrow

1st Inning
Walk
Strikeout
Strikeout
Walk
Strikeout

2nd Inning
Strikeout
infield hit
Strikeout
Strikeout

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by meercatjohn on Sep 23, 2011 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

breaking news

MLB asks court to boot McCourt come october 12.

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