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Dodgers Week 27 In Review: Rising In Phoenix

Matt Kemp, Dee Gordon, and Jamey Carroll all ended their seasons on a high note at Chase Field in Phoenix.

Sure, it wasn't a full week, but thanks to the MLB schedule opening on a Thursday we ended on a Wednesday. The Dodgers won two of their three games in Arizona, nearly sweeping the NL West champs. The Dodgers ended their season by winning 10 of their final 11 series, and went 25-10 to finish with a winning record.

Dodger Batter of the Week: It seems Matt Kemp is the obvious choice here, as he ended his MVP-worthy campaign with two home runs and six runs batted in. But he splits the final weekly award with Jamey Carroll, who had five hits in seven at-bats, and Dee Gordon, who had a 7-for-14 series and scored four runs.

Dodger Pitcher of the Week: This award gets split as well, as all three Dodgers starters put up zeroes in Phoenix. Ted Lilly (seven innings), Hiroki Kuroda (six innings), and Dana Eveland (5 2/3 innings) are all worthy.

Clayton Kershaw, who last pitched Sunday, was the last Dodgers starting pitcher to allow a run in 2011.

Week 27 Record:  2-1
17 runs scored (5.67 per game)
14 runs allowed (4.67 per game)
.588 pythagorean winning percentage

Season Record:  82-79
644 runs scored (4.00 per game)
612 runs allowed (3.80 per game)
.523 pythagorean winning percentage (84-77)

Star-divide

Earned & Unearned: For the second time this season, a Dodgers relief pitcher allowed a pair of runs that were charged as unearned runs to the team, but earned runs for the pitcher. Just like on June 13 with Matt Guerrier, Javy Guerra on Tuesday allowed the final two runs of a six-run ninth inning, all of which scored after an error with two outs. Guerra only faced two batters, and allowed a walk and a home run, so his ledger shows two earned runs while those runs were unearned for the Dodgers, ruining Excel spreadsheets everywhere. The rule in question is MLB rule 10.16(i):

When pitchers are changed during an inning, the relief pitcher shall not have the benefit of previous chances for outs not accepted in determining earned runs.
Rule 10.16(i) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.16(i) to charge a relief pitcher with earned runs for which such relief pitcher is solely responsible. In some instances, runs charged as earned against the relief pitcher can be charged as unearned against the team.

Transactions: None this week.

Game Results:

Previous Weeks In Review: Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | Week 14 | Week 15 | Week 16 | Week 17 | Week 18 | Week 19 | Week 20 | Week 21 | Week 22 | Week 23 | Week 24 | Week 25 | Week 26

Week 27 Stats

Player PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB/CS BA/OBP/SLG OPS
Carroll 8 7 1 5 0 1 0 1 1 0/0 .714/.750/1.000 1.750
Kemp 14 13 3 4 1 0 2 6 0 0/0 .308/.357/.846 1.203
Gordon 14 14 4 7 2 0 0 1 0 1/0 .500/.500/.643 1.143
Loney 13 13 3 4 1 0 1 2 0 0/0 .308/.308/.615 .923
Sands 13 11 3 3 0 0 0 0 1 0/0 .273/.333/.273 .606
Barajas 7 7 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0/0 .143/.143/.143 .286
Miles 9 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0/1 .000/.250/.000 .250
Rivera 13 11 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0/0 .000/.077/.000 .077

Ellis 6 5 0 2 0 1 0 2 0 0/0 .400/.500/.800 1.300
Sellers 9 8 1 3 2 0 0 2 1 0/0 .375/.444/.625 1.069
Gwynn 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0/0 .000/.000/.000 .000
Oeltjen 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0/0 .000/.000/.000 .000
Velez 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0/0 .000/.000/.000 .000
Federowicz 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0/0 .000/.000/.000 .000

Pitchers 7 6 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0/1 .167/.167/.167 .333
Totals 119 107 17 30 6 2 3 16 5 1/2 .280/.328/.458 .786

 

Pitcher G W-L Sv IP H R ER BB K ERA WHIP FIP*
Lilly 1 1-0 -- 7.0 3 0 0 1 5 0.00 0.571 2.48
Kuroda 1 0-0 -- 6.0 5 0 0 0 5 0.00 0.833 1.38
Eveland 1 1-0 -- 5.2 5 0 0 0 5 0.00 0.882 1.29
Starters 3
2-1 -- 18.2 13
0 0 1 15 0.00 0.750 1.76
Jansen 2 0-0 1 1.2 1 0 0 1 3 0.00 1.200 1.25
MacDougal 2 0-0 -- 1.2 0 0 0 1 1 0.00 0.600 3.65
Lindblom 2 0-0 -- 1.1 1 0 0 0 3 0.00 0.750 (1.45)
Ely 1 0-0 -- 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.000 1.05
Hawksworth 1 0-0 -- 0.2 2 4 0 1 0 0.00 4.500 7.55
Guerrier 2 0-0 -- 1.0 1 1 1 1 1 9.00 2.000 4.05
Guerra 2 0-1 1/2 1.0 1 2 2 1 0 0.00 2.000 19.05
Eovaldi 1 0-0 -- 0.1 0 2 2 3 0 54.00 9.000 30.05
Troncoso 1 0-0 -- 0.1 4 5 5 1 0 135.00 15.000 90.05
Elbert 2 0-0 -- 0.0 0 0 0 2 0 --- --- ---
Relievers 3
2-1
2/3 9.0 10 14 8 11 9
10.00
2.333 9.05
Totals 3
2-1 2/3 27.2 23 14 8 12 24 3.25 1.265 4.13
*FIP is estimated

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Jerry Sands

Using Fangraphs leaderboard
For the month of Sept:
As a RF had the 5th best wRC in baseball at 153
As a LF had the 3rd best wRC in baseball at 153

Sept line of .342 / .415 / .492 in 83 plate appearances

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

JER-RY! JER-RY! JER-RY!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Compared to Trayvon

For month of Sept (min 50 PA):
As LF: 26 wRC+ (worst in MLB)
As CF: 26 wRC+ (worst in MLB)

His Sept line: 162 /.203/.257 with 35 K/ 4 BB in 81 PA

by Sean P. on Sep 29, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we compare Fed to some crappy catcher in the Mariners’ org? ;)

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

For what it’s worth:

Federowicz put up a 50 wRC+ in his 16 PA in Sept, which tied him with Rod Barajas at 44th among 74 C with a min of 10 PA in Sept.

by Sean P. on Sep 29, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've read that before,

I just can’t seem to place where.

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many weeks in a row

did Loney post a plus 900 OPS? all eight since he got his motor running?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Every week from 20-27 (August 15 on). Amazing

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s make him report with the catchers and pitchers in February. It was his bullpen session that turned him around, if you ask me. I wonder if he got a better feel for the ball coming out of a pitcher’s hand, or remembered something he’d forgotten. Let’s not let him forget.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 29, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

While the playing week is over, the Transactions week may not be. Or are they not allowed to do anything whatsoever until after the world series? Not even DFA people?

by berkowit28 on Sep 29, 2011 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

no real reason to do anything like that until the non-tender deadline.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, I was trying to think of anybody that you would want to DFA right now. You’re not paying them, so it doesn’t really seem like there would be much urgency.

Even guys like Velez and Oeltjen, since they are pre-arb, you don’t really need to cut them lose until the roster deadline day at the end of spring training.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hear they are gathering data on Velez. /notreally

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable

The Dodgers ended their season by winning 10 of their final 11 series, and went 25-10 to finish with a winning record.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Fun with numbers

The ten worst hitting outfielders per Fangraph Leaderboards in Sept:
Marlon Byrd
Mike McCoy
Dayan Viciedo
Desmond Jennings
Juan Pierre
Martin Prado
Shane Victorino
Drew Stubbs
Kosuke Fukudome
Nick Swisher

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

The ten Best hitting outfielders per Fangraph Leaderboards in Sept:

Carlos Beltran
BJ Upton
MATT KEMP
Jacoby Ellsbury
Ryan Braun
Jeff Franceur
Lucas Duda
Lance Berkman
Shelly Duncan
JERRY SANDS

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Shelly Duncan, may the Giants sign you to a 12 year contract.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Desmond Jennings, the league adjusted to you. See you in April, enjoy the offseason.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plenty of time in between to go Full Upton on the playoffs

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he goes Full Beltran

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only one SS has a double digit walk rate in major league baseball and he barely makes it at 10.3%

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can’t walk off the island middle infield.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

the math to prove it

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

My first reaction is: boy, they sure did.
My second reaction is: Humma’s First Law might need an addendum: Anything can happen, but it won’t, unless Scott Proctor pitches three innings, in which case, all bets are off

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I may be so presumptuous, I humbly suggest something to the effect of:

 Anything can happen, but it won’t, unless at least one thing absolutely must happen, and then it might

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

failure

Anything can happen, but it won’t, unless at least one thing absolutely must happen, and then it might

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford really should have caught that ball. Nothing and I mean nothing was more fitting then Carl failing on such a huge play and then showing off his popgun arm after the fact.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I saw the replay a couple of times and couldn’t really tell how catchable it was. Looked like he had to slide and pick the ball right off the grass. Someone without his speed probably doesn’t even make it that close (Rivera, Sands). It was not even close to the Matt Halladay miscue that others described it as.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is the expectation, if TGJ was in LF I’d expect him to catch that ball once he put his glove on it, I would not expect Juan or Jerry to make that play. Crawford comes into this with a reputation as one of the best defensive Left Fielders in baseball, I think he has to make that play. It was difficult no doubt.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

with what they are paying him

he better catch that ball

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He didn’t get a great jump, hesitated, then made a horribad throw. In retrospect [easy to say], he should’ve gone all out or prepared for a throw. His compromise was the worst possible choice.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is bullshit and hubris

but I think I catch that ball, at age 44, 8.5 times out of 10

I really do

he was caught in the middle an didn’t commit either way

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was stuck in a moment and couldn’t get out of it.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was a huge Crawford fan, but damn I love how this turned out. I cannot think of any way to improve this script.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yanks getting swept out in the first round?

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

in two games and a forfeit.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

me too – he was my dodger wish

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

of the 4 free agent bats last offseason

The one who had the best year was Beltre :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only game that didn’t cause a fan suicide was Beltre! :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean this guy:)

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

So your post obviously wins. Who comes in second? I would argue that I do. While Dunn may well have been the worst player in MLB last year, the basis for my argument is, “well, he’s the cheapest.” And he is. Crawford and Werth are on a whole other level salary wise.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say there was no winner after Beltre. Sox still have three years left on a deal for the worst player in baseball this year.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, the best of the worst still sucks donkey

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

if only

if only

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

play it on a hop, throw the guy out. It wouldn’t have been close at all, but since he had to stand up and set himself, the throw had to be rushed.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why did the Yankees have a bullpen game? They couldn’t call up a AA pitcher to try and eat some innings?

Perhaps that’s against the un-written rules of baseball, and I have the benefit of hindsight, but pitching an entire bullpen game is close to punting the game anyway (even if it didn’t exactly work out that way.)

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Betances started didn't he?

though I think he only pitched a few innings

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, I stand corrected.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

They started their best pitching prospect, only problem is, he’s not Matt Moore.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Banuelos was better?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be like us debating Eovaldi and Webster.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

which we do

all da time! :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer Moore

In mind he’s the right handed Kershaw* ;)

Good thing I found out after I said that the FIRST time that he’s a lefty.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the bullpen shut them out for seven innings.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, but they ran out of pitchers….during the time of year that rosters expanded.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

They could have used Mariano, they choose not to. See Eric’s comment below.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Below where? Or which comment?

by berkowit28 on Sep 29, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

See also Fuck The Red Sox

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK. I didn’t see the connection but in the sense that the Red Sox’s hopes were pinned on, of all things, the Yankees winning, why should the Yankees want to do the Red Sox any favors by winning? OK. They didn’t exactly seem to be trying to lose though, 12 innings and all that.

by berkowit28 on Sep 29, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

there is the possibility that letting the Rays in the playoffs will come back to haunt the Yanks in the second round. I think the Red Sox are a much preferable foe.

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The conspiracy theory occurred to me, too, and I’ve been hesitant to comment on it, because I think it’s crazy. That said:

The Yankees would groove one to the Rays and kill the Red Sox because the wild card is from the east, meaning the Tigers or Rangers would get them in the first round. They are giving one of the other teams a much tougher opponent in the ALDS.

I don’t really think they were thinking that, but… that would be the theory.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they were “letting” the Rays in the playoffs. They had a 7-0 lead.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

srsly

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I say, it’s crazy to think that way.

That said — and forgive me if I’m missing something — if the Yankees treated this like any other game, they’d have brought in Rivera, no? Did they announce that he wasn’t available or something?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

This be true, they tried, but they did not try like the Orioles tried.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

or the Phillies

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

They didn’t treat it like any other game. They treated it exactly like it was. A game where they had nothing to play for. They played their starters at first to keep them fresh and then got most of them out of there.

They did exactly what they felt was best for their team.

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No argument with that. Besides, I think the whole conspiracy theory is BS. I think the Yankees were thinking of themselves and what works for the Yankees, not about being the puppet masters of the ALDS and who would get in and who wouldn’t.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I'm the Yankees

I do the exact same thing. I don’t jeopardize my playoff chances by playing my full time regulars 10+ innings. Red Sox should’ve won one more game. I think having a 7-0 late in the game is more than the Red Sox could’ve asked for no matter which 10 Yankees were out there. In other words it is my opinion that they tried "hard enough’.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t blame the Yanks one bit and I don’t think they just “let” them win in a conspiratorial manner, I just meant that they might regret having to face the Rays instead of the Rangers/Red Sox, and thus regret blowing a 7-0 lead in the late innings.

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

See also Fuck The Red Sox

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

prevent defense, prevents you from winning. /WrongSport.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bring back the Four Corners offense!

In the nationally televised 1982 ACC championship game between the University of North Carolina Tar Heels and the University of Virginia Cavaliers, Carolina held the ball for roughly the last twelve minutes of the second half to nurse a small lead, eventually winning the game 47-45.

wikipedia

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

so true

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ranking the playoff series

1. DET at NYY: Arguably the two best teams in the AL meet for a 5-game set. Verlander/CC will be marquee and offenses are loaded.
2. STL at PHI: Baseball’s best most of the year faces the hottest team in the league. Can Philly shake off late season slump?
3. TB at TEX: Others might have this higher, but TEX should be clear favorites. Can TB’s miracle run extend another week?
4. AZ at MIL: The one potentially lopsided match-up of the group. Two offense-friendly parks could make for a homer-happy series.

BTW, five of ten most hitting-friendly stadiums are in playoffs:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

yankees rotation

are the yankees deploying cc-nova-hughes/garcia?

I hope they get destroyed.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

CC, Nova, Garcia. Three-man rotation for the ALDS

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

im shocked

the yankees got such a good run from garcia and colon. their rotation was a bunch of wtf going into the season and look at them now.. some would argue life is unfair.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd still call it shaky

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats why I foresee comeuppance in the first round

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fister/Nova is a bizarre match-up for game 2.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ain’t it though

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fister/Nova sounds like something out of a valley movie “set”.

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe a sci-fi fetish flick.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It definitely is. I would think the Tigers wanted to play the Red Sox (obviously) or Yankees (not Tampa.) Detroit can hit the shit out of the ball.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

i saw last night

Miggy won the batting title.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

And absolutely no MVP consideration

Didn’t he also have the highest OPS as well?

by The Dude Abides on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joey Bats still beat him.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miggy ended up better than Kemp which I didn't think he was that close

On offense, that is.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see Miggy finish 2nd, possibly first now that the Sox aren’t in and people will hold that against Ellsbury (unfairly).

Though if Miggy wins the MVP I would be happy, he’s been amazing his entire career.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

is Xeifrank

running the numbers?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

After last night, I think the numbers are running from him.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tampa Bay

may have broken the simulator as well

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last night was insane

Just another good example of why betting on baseball will break your heart and or send you to the funny farm.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

This comment

is great

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, tonight hopefully. :)
Are the rotations set for all four series?

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like the first two guys have been announced for the ALDS

didn’t hear about the NLDS

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will we see E-Jax start?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m wondering who the Cards throw out first. Carpenter just threw a CG yesterday, who’s next in the rotation?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Cards don’t even know….yet.

Lohse or Jackson will probably start Game 1, and Carpenter Game 3, but Jaime Garcia is also in the mix for Game 2 as well.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

is it the same for the Rays?

or is it Shields?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why does E-Jax always end up right in the middle of the action? Action Jackson?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will you post sims on a game by game basis on your website?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always post the win probabilities game by game. Only other thing missing would be the most likely score table. I may post that in a FP here or at one of the team’s SBN sites that is playing that day.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not completely set yet

LaRussa is thinking about Lohse in Game 1. Not official. Garcia or Jackson in G2. Carpenter in G3.

Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Oswalt

Kennedy vs. Gallardo in G1. Nothing announced after that yet.

Sabathia, Nova, Garcia vs. Verlander, Fister, Scherzer and Porcello

Rays to be determined vs. Wilson, Holland, Lewis, Harrison

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this. Guessing TB will open with Shields if they can.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if they’d use him on three days rest. It is pretty tempting to use Matt Moore in Game 1. Shields in Game 2. Price in Game 3. Hellickson in Game 4.

But, they’re so deep they can stash Moore in the bullpen and start Niemann in Game 1. Even Wade Davis could start.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure you can find a pitcher with less then 20 IP starting game one of a playoff series.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN has a timeline up of last night, though it missed that Matt Kemp came up to bat in the 9th as Longoria hit the walk-off

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I was watching that

then saw all of you go nuts over Longo. luckily i was able to rewind on MLBN

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was listening to the Dodger game. Steiner had a Joe Buck type call.

“and the Rays just won” with no real excitement in his voice. But hey, he was busy calling the game he’s actually supposed to call, so I can’t really give him a hard time.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was better than Steve Berthiaume’s call on ESPN

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

im sure the espn red sox celebration party with cupcakes was cancelled and made him sad

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Worst announcer I've ever heard

and that’s saying something

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was trying to go Jon Miller on us.

But it sucked way to hard to be confused with Jon Miller

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cardinals

Playoffs

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Game

Blouses

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of the craziest parts for me was Boston’s failure to score in top of 9th with huge opportunity. I mean, who doesn’t score against Baltimore’s bullpen when given the chance?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

that was a great relay

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scutaro messed up just as the analyst said, once he had committed that far he had to keep running.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

when the historians look to assign blame for this collapse, they will see that every one shit the bed

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

and the Yanks? When that ball is hit to Longo and he makes the tag play at 3rd??? Nuts

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

amazing

guy hits two homers in 2 innings and makes that play.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank god we have Matt Kemp

because if we didn’t, my Longo envy would know no bounds

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Simmons

Chad Moriyama posted his quote about Longoria, something similar to the “not fearing” him crap that he said about Adrian Gonzalez.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, how do you dem apples

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

How hard what that play? ball hit right to him he looks up and says OMFG you are toasty and tags him out.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

the play is not a hard one, the sequence is crazy

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rook’s:)

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where do you think Troncoso plays next year?

Dominican leagues, or does an NPB team take a flyer on him?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Venezuela with Belisario.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard we are going to sell him to Korea so we can afford to bring back Velez

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that is uncalled for

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding? He’s our lucky charm. Brought him on July 4th and our team rocketed from last place.

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers were 37-48 on July 3rd

82-79 now, meaning 45-31 since he was brought up. That’s just laughable.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers were 37-48 on July 3rd

82-79 now, meaning 45-31 since he was brought up. That’s just laughable.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

“You sons of bitches better play well enough that velez never sees the field”

- Not Vin Scully

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kemp’s FIP is not sustainable.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

M-V-P! M-V-P! M-V-P!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Will there be post-season tweaks regarding park factors? If so, it probably helps his numbers a little bit more.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think so, but if anything that might hurt him since Dodger Stadium played as slightly more of a hitters park than usual this year.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

just asking

What’s your official position on who should win MVP/CY? Seems like you favor Kemp/Halladay by the numbers?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Kemp by a lot at this point, Halladay, and Lee both have slight edges over Kershaw.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lee snuck in there huh?

fuck em

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on man

I dont have a problem with Halladay>Kershaw but Kershaw>Lee, even if it is a small margin.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

such small margins that it doesn’t really matter either way

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not like Reg’s a hater, I’m sure he’s got a defensible reason for Lee > Kershaw.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats how you became that guy

:-p

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is there room under those covers with you and Pujols? :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm also just saying

Sometimes its ok to be a homer, and in a case like this, it’s completely justified :)

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

It really can go either way on Lee but I’m looking at the xFIP and I think considering the park factors and the defense behind him he was very very slightly better.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It played as more of a hitter’s park because Matt Kemp plays there and Ted Lilly exists.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not how park factors work

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Humma’s Second Law

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

((homeRS + homeRA)/(homeG)) / ((roadRS + roadRA)/(roadG))

Dodgers may have higher park factors simply from dividing 82/81 with the one missed road game

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

how did it work before?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know

just being an annoying little brother type this AM

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Humma’s Second Law

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think

that is how ESPN does it, which is why their park factors suck. B-R does it in a much more complex fashion.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still waiting on start times for the NLDS

But with four games on Saturday it looks like the D’Backs/Brewers will have a morning start time.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Simmons wrote a Simmons diary

could have been written 15 years ago…the usual suspects are all there including a “The Real World” reference

I wonder, does he know that we all openly and happily root for his misery?

PS – Classy reference to Amy Madigan where he calls her voice “older” – nice move charmer

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

He seems more self-aware that nobody wants to hear about the Boston “woe is me” shit anymore.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, by scoring 7 runs last night, the Dodgers averaged exactly 4.0 runs per game. Quite an uphill climb to get there.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Justin Upton had 9 hits in 68 at-bats against the Dodgers this season, .132/.181/.235. Unreal.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

OWNZONE

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yet

Cody Ransom

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only problem with the seedings...

is that I want the Brewers and then the Snakes….having them play each other increases the odds that one of those red fucking teams ends up in the series

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Eh, fuck the Diamondbacks. I can’t root for another team in the division. This isn’t college football.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll easily root for the Diamondbacks against everyone but the Brewers.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, they are less repugnant by a long way

also, no one I hate lives in AZ

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brewers
DBacks
Phillies
Cardinals

Tigers
Rangers
Rays
Yankees

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see our problem

We’ll make the playoffs in 2012 simply because we included more red in our logo!

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would root for the Phillies over the D-Backs. I like Halladay.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll probably root for the Dbacks

for Gibson. But I think they get swept

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the D-Backs do well, I will be happy for Gibson. No doubt.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never want to see any NL West team do well. Fuck them all.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always fall back on Dodgers>NL West non-Giants Division>NL>AL non-Yankees division>Fuck the Yankees and Giants.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

THE OFFICIAL HUMMA KAVULA LIST OF TEAMS TO ROOT FOR, IN ORDER

1. Brewers
2. Tigers
3. Rays
4. Rangers
5. Diamondbacks
6. Cardinals
7. Fuck you, Ruiz
8. Yankees

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

where were you last night

I made two, count ’em two, Ray Lewis is a murderer jokes and you were nowhere to be found

they were trees falling in the forest

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buy him a car. Problem solved

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He probably still doesn’t have a license.

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, after the incident it was suspe…oh you meant Greg’s son.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope,

failed it on his first attempt. Next appointment is the day before Thanksgiving

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lack of preparation, or did he just have a bad outing?

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here in MD, they make you run a course first and then take

you out on the road. He jumped the curb twice trying to park my suburban.

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Logic would dictate you take a driving test in something smaller.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe let him rock the Accord next time, no?

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

If his Uncle loved him, he’d drive out and let his nephew use his car

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric has a car?

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Can’t be Kelly. They don’t dudes that old drive anymore.

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite meme going right now.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah, by the time I took my road test, I’d been driving for six months on my learner’s permit … more or less by myself. I really had to think hard to remember to keep two hands on the wheel and stuff.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 29, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look, those two nuns should have looked twice before crossing the street. Sure, they had their hands full and were focused on not dropping the basket full of puppies they were delivering to the orphanage, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have tilted their heads.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

really, killing Nuns shouldn’t be such a big deal because you figure a heavenly reward awaits….right?

Now killing some guy you doubts in god, and sees good and evil as words and not absolutes…hell if someone kills me nothing good happens

Much worse to kill someone bad

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re-write

The two nuns couldn’t see because the pointy pillowcases they were wearing on their heads didn’t have eye holes big enough.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

1) Tigers
2) Rays
3) Brewers
4) Rangers
5) Yankees
6) Cardinals
7) Phillies
8) Diamondbacks

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. Brewers
2. Rays
3. Cardinals (popular choice which people will like me for, i’m sure)
4. Rangers
5. Dbacks
6. Tigers
7. No one else
8. Seriously, fuck the last two teams.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brewers
Tigers
Rangers
Rays
DBacks
Phillies
Yankees
Cards

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

wrong

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brewers & Rays.

If the Tigers or Rangers win, that’s cool.

Fuck everyone else.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This will end up some bullshit like last year

Where half the teams will be acceptable, yet the ones we hate will end up in the Championship Series’

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since all the cool kids are making one

1. Brewers
2. Rays
3. Tigers
4. Rangers
5. Diamondbacks
6. Cardinals
7. Yankees
8. Fuck you, Ruiz

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's why i'm not doing it

/hipster

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that I look at the list

I really don’t like any of them

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Leyland wears cleats in the dugout and told Barry Bonds to go fuck himself. I will watch Miguel Cabrera do anything except drive me home. Tigers are easy to like, for one.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much Leyland would smoke if the let him burn heaters in the dugout….

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

best callback ever?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kelly and I had this discussion earlier today

I don’t hate the Red Sox, just their fans. Their fans suck ass!

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Red Sox fans aren’t the only reason I am no longer a Red Sox fan. They are not even the main reason I am no longer a Red Sox fan. But they are definitely one of the reasons I am no longer a Red Sox fan.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

When did you move to CA? If it was a few years later and MLB Extra Innings was available, would you have stuck with Boston?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I moved to LA in 1996. I casually followed baseball for a while, then fell off the map in 2003, when I was in Europe for the entire year. Strangely, being gone (and following the Tigers’ incredible dream season that year!) made me miss baseball greatly, and I resolved to be a better baseball fan.

So in 2004, I did two things. I started following the Red Sox much more closely, and I bought into a season ticket package for the Dodgers, because I live here and wanted to see major league baseball. Watching the Dodgers play — and being a fan of Paul DePodesta and what he was trying to do — made me want to learn more about the Dodgers. I found out about Dodger Thoughts and starting reading and commenting. But I still considered myself, mostly a Red Sox fan whose NL team was the Dodgers. Of course, that was the Red Sox’s year.

So in 2005, several things happened:

1) I re-signed up for more Dodger tickets
2) I started following the Jacksonville Suns, since that was where the exciting Dodger action was
3) I started commenting more and more on DT
4) I became increasingly, and distressingly, disenchanted with other Red Sox fans.

By the end of 2005, I had dumped the Red Sox and considered myself a Dodger fan. The primary reason was following those Suns — how could I follow that team and not become a fan of those players and the team they would eventually play for?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is how you leave a team and marry another with grace and dignity

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

for most

it’s because the wife is a fan

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was that the year the Tigers had to win 4 of the last 5 to avoid breaking the Mets record for losses in a season?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Intertational Herald Tribune has the standings every day and the occasional baseball article. I’d pick it up every now and then. “Whoo-wee,” I’d say, as the train rumbled, “They stink.”

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Somewhere, there is a French student who looks back on his daily childhood train trips, and that one man who always said “Whoo-wee, they stink,” and wondered who exactly stank?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ever wonder if the overriding reason for dropping the Red Sox is that – you don’t know how to support a winning team? (Like “can’t pitch with a lead”. ;-)) Drawing obnoxious, smug fans is just part, if a big part, of that, but not the whole thing. Red Sox lost the losers’ romance, Dodgers had the young hopeful prospects. At least you hadn’t moved to Chicago in the meantime, where you would have succumbed to the Cubs.

by berkowit28 on Sep 29, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is an appropriate question for Cubs and Red Sox fans. How much of it is the “lovable losers” thing

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean like Pope?

Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin’d from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.

I’ve thought about it. And there may be something to that. Two pieces of evidence to the contrary:

1. I would contend that the Red Sox fandom did not go over the top in the obnoxiousness and smugness until after they won the championship.
2. I really had no problem supporting the Dodgers in 2009, when I thought they were the best team in the National League. The NLCS was a severe disappointment.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their fans make me hate the team

Also the fact they act like an underdog because they spend 30-50 million less (maybe?) on their payroll than the Yankees, yet it’s still 2nd highest.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve got your back on this one. Even though the Phillies beat the shit out of us 2 years in a row, I never really developed a hatred.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't hate anyone

I’m a lover.

But still, fuck the Giants

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never developed DBacks or Padres hatred.

I do hate the Mets, Phillies, Cardinals, Rockies, and Giants.

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, fuck the Padres too. Closer proximity than SF, so I run into Padre fans more often. Plus, I like that they are such losers and I never want them to win, so I’d strongly root against them.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never run into any NL West fans, so I don’t have the same hatred as you guys.

I run into Braves and Cardinal fans.

I can tolerate the Braves to an extent now, but I will never pull for the Cards

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You would pull for the Cards if it meant pulling them into an oncoming train.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is fact

I would pull for the Cards against Nazi Germany.

Pretty sure I’d root for the Mexican Drug Cartels vs St Louis though

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Negative Ghost Rider….well maybe.

I do like Tacos

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems to me (an obvious outside observer) that the Braves

became more of a team for the business traveler back in the 80’s & 90’s due to TBS coverage. No matter where you were, you could always find a Braves game on TV. The have never drawn well in The ATL. JMO

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, I know guys who grew up in Oregon who are Braves and Cubs fans because the games were on TBS and WGN all the time.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the 80’s, the only games we got on cable that were free were Braves games and Cubs games.

so everyone in AR liked the Braves or Cardinals

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last night I tweeted right as the Braves game ended, “That’s what you get for 1991,” and right about the same time Grant at McCovey Chronicles tweeted something similar about 1993.

But Grant deleted his tweet. Pussy.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand deleting someone's tweets.

Once their out there, someone will see them regardless of how quickly you try to destroy the evidence.

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

smells like half pregnant to me

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll take “Smells I’m not eager to smell” for $1000, Alex.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my excitement last night over Kemp’s home run, I tweeted that only Willie Davis had more RBI in a single season than Kemp among LA Dodgers, when I meant to say Tommy.

I deleted that tweet but also tweeted saying what an idiot I was for making that mistake.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

You and I are almost completely similar

Take out the Cards and that’s how I’ve felt the last 5 years.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, fuck the Phillies.

But when two loathsome teams get together, you gotta pick a side. And I would choose Philly over Phoenix.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just going to not watch that series

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s the baseball playoffs. It’s impossible not to watch.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Even if it turns out to be Yankees-Phillies, which I would find the most loathsome World Series possible, a World Series built on cynicism and hatred and everything that is wrong with baseball, business, America, and the world — even that World Series, I would watch.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

were you not a Dodger fan in 2002?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

To me, 2002 wasn’t even a conflict. Easily rooted for the Angels.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

same here

fuck the giants

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I stole a spider monkey from the zoo

Fuck the Giants

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

the offense was pretty amazing.

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, great closing line.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I stole my brother's car when I was 14

an old 1956 Chevy that didn’t need a key to start it. I picked up a friend and drove to Arcadia to another friend’s house. After an hour, I tried to go back home but the fucking car wouldn’t start. We ended up tying a rope to it and towing it home with another friend’s car. By the time I got it home, my dad was home from work. I made up some bullshit story about taking the car to get it fixed. I was grounded for two weeks.

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

thundersticks with 30k people doing it

at the same time are great. Anything less then that and its just obnoxious.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thundersticks are not great, in any capacity.

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chan Ho had a thunderstick posse that had choreographed moves. That was a good use for them.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never saw that.

I’d probably still talk shit about it, but like it in private….kinda like Jersey Shore

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont watch TV like that but I heard the new Real World is awesome

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have you ever been to a game

with them used en masse?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

well there ya go

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Im sure I’d be a huge Thunder Stick honk if I heard them in person.

/no chance

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only series I had absolutely no interest in watching

was the 2005 World Series. I had seriously no stake either way in who won or lost.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that was Detroit/STL, that sucked. Boston/Colorado was pretty crappy too.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

gawd

that might be the worst ever

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I'd completely forgotten about that one.

I have a latent connection to the White Sox, so I guess I paid some attention.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 29, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

no

05 was White Sox and Astros

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

CHW/HOU?

I wanted to Houston to win, always liked the killer B’s

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

<3 Bausmus

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

he had a pretty bad ass catchers mask

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why we get all Yankees all the time.

That series was amazing.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want to watch the Yankees

But I don’t want to watch the White Sox or Astros either. I’d be happy with Brewers/Cardinals/Rays/Rangers/Tigers this year.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

1982 World Series rematch in the 2011 NLCS would be…something.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beer makers and Phildos.

Go Brew Crew

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t want another team to pass the Dodgers on the longest time since a World Series appearance list.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

two things about '05 white sox

1. Juan Uribe was the opening day SS
2. They used six pitchers as starters all year

Buerhrle/Freddy Garcia—33 GS each
Contreras/Garland—32 GS each
O. Hernandez—22 GS
B. McCarthy—10 GS

=162

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only time I saw a pennant clinched in person.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's series like these

where you root for the natural disaster

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I stopped doing that after 1989.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean earthquakes are a big deal???

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Earthquakes aren't effective enough

I root for a meteor

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meteors make for awful movies

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

based on an older, bad meteor movie that starred Sean Connery, IIRC.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Clemens and Bagwell were fully healthy, that’s a much different series.

Closest sweep ever. Two 1-run games, two 2-run games.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

the beating us two years in a row

and then FAILING to do the same to the giants has helped me develop some good hate for them.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would root for six other teams over the Phillies.

I would root for the Phillies, except for Ruiz, over the Yankees.

Fuck you, Ruiz.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like I should tell you to GFY

But you might use your power as a blogger

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

quick aside

I’m now offering a Zumba class in the morning on Sundays at 10 am, so let your girlfriends and significant others know. This is probably best for my SFV people, but those living nearby (COUGHHOLLYWOODJOECOUGH) can probably make it out too.

/endselfpimping

My question now is that if the team actually does go for a 9 digit FA, who do they go for? Seems like a sure bet now that Loney, he gone.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Silly rabbit, Sunday mornings are made for old man baseball and watching football

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who says I want you to be there? Send Mrs HJ. If I can get a Wives of TBLA thing going, that would be stupendous.

And the class is 45 minutes, the ladies will be back in time for lots more football!

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

yikes – I will share the news

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I sense a 4 part off-season series!

But if it works out like last year, just go with whoever Phil picks.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

unless

they want to put him in LF

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like a sure bet now that Loney, not be he gone.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they’ll go down to the wire with Loney. Like JMart last year.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

They ,may not agree on a deal before arbitration but no way is he not getting tendered like Martin did.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Non

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loney has to settle for less than what he’d get in arbitration to make it worth it for the Dodgers. $7+MM? You can’t do it. $5-$6MM, the Dodgers can work with.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

….Assuming you’re definitely keeping Ethier.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where would you put Loney? Fielder or Pujols are 1B, putting Loney in LF would limit Sands’ playing time, and you’re certainly not paying 7+ for a bench bat, especially one who has a hard time figuring out which end of the bat is which in the beginning of the season.

Jose Reyes is intriguing to me but he plays SS. Whither Dee?

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reality is that Fielder and Pujols aren’t happening so first base.

Honestly I don’t think either Dee or Sands deserves to have a spot reserved for them. If you can’t find a replacement sure, go with it, but neither of those guys should stop you from acquiring the players you want.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

even if we have the money

no guarentee we lure them

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is true. I wonder if the org would go for CJ Wilson.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a 9 digit FA

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I fucking hope not

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

theres, what

2 guys who are worth 9 digits? Maybe ned just spends total 9 digits

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

on 9 1 million dollar contracts! HOORAY!

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’d either still be 7 digits, or 63 digits

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

or 100

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

give everyone playing baseball in the Dominican Republic 10,000 dollars and develop some 12 year olds into the best team Ogden has ever seen.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Posturing and signing two different things.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, if you are assuming the club is getting one of Fielder or Pujols, Loney is definitely gone.

Reyes could play 2B, Uribe 3B, Gordon at SS. Or, you could sign Reyes and trade Gordon. His value is probably sky-high right now.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was assuming 9 digit FA. Unless Ned turns around and fires that money at someone who isn’t top tier talent (which I want to say isn’t possible, but…yeah), I’m assuming they’re targeting big named people.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

But firing off and wasting money is Ned’s MO. Which Giants cast off will Neddy Boy target this off season?

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you trade Gordon he goes for a SP I'd guess

I wonder what SP will be on the trade block this offseason. That said, I’d like to keep Gordon.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wandy Rodriguez for Dee Gordon makes sense for both teams.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know 100% that Dee Gordon is not being traded.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but 4down wanted a trade.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want a trade

I was saying if there was a trade I’d guess he goes for a SP. I’m a fan of his speedy game and the fact that he’s young Juan Pierre at SS, not LF or CF.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind that too much

But are you worried that he seem a step below Billingsley for around the same amount of money and is also coming off an average year?

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Average is okay. The Dodgers will need average. Realistically, they are going to have below average type guys rotating through the SP5 spot next year.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not perfect but he’s been arguably better than Billingsley since 2009 and there’s no way you could pull a pitcher that good for cheaper than the 2/25 Wandy has left.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

challenge trade Dee for Hellickson

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Dee for Wade Davis makes more sense for the Rays

Though Davis has a kick ass contract if he can improve his numbers.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever I see the name Wade, I think of Wade Miller

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wade Miller makes me think of rehab

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wade Miller was a good pitcher for a few years there

I thought he might be as good as Roy O way back then.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

challenge trade Dee for Hellickson.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my day, challenge trades were position for position. Like David Segui for Brad Fullmer for Lee Stevens.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

realized this after I said it.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is the genesis

of this challenge trade stuff?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Impressive

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by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

your comma made me read this in Shattner Voice

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good chance

we sign Beltran or A Ram and Loney stays. Outside of pujols are fielder I think I would rather run with a Loney Sands platoon then anyone available.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read on ESPN that A-RAM was the worst defensive 3rd baseman in the league, so are we ready for pissing and moaning over his defense?

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two words: Aaron Miles

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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

.871 ops

is pretty good

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

even with his defense

he is worth in excess of 3 wars. Better then anything else we got for the position.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

A-Ram is a likely target. He is a big bat and won’t require the number of years that the other offensive upgrades will. I’d be bringing back Rivera in this scenario though to spell Loney and Ethier.

by OB12 on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Beltran and Aramis sign instead of Prince. Love it. Sign them both to two year deals, play Loney at first, give Sands another year in AAA and called up when there is an injury, then if Loney hits, extend him, if he doesn’t, hello Jerry sands 2013 Starting 1B.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

You think either of those guys would have to settle for 2 year deals? Maybe Beltran, I doubt Aramis would.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm expecting both

to get aboot 3/30

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

none of this is going to happen, but I’d love it if it did. I full expect Beltran to get 2/28 and Aramis to get 64/4

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we will have a fairly good shot at Ramirez if we want him and Loney’s late season surge may have given Ned enough incentive to focus on another position of need, 3B. Beltran, I think stays with SF.

by OB12 on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think SF will be able to afford Beltran, and think he ends up with the Mariners.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think SF gets Rollins.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think SF can afford Beltran, and I think Rollins will get double the years at the same salary

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t think they can afford a big signing? I think they’re pretty much assured of adding an expensive bat.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where’s the money coming from?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Higher attendance this year?

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

A) They only had 4,000 more per game.
B) They don’t have much money coming off the books and their arb raises will be insane
C) They didn’t make the playoffs this year so the attendance could normalize, then they’d be stuck paying higher payrolls to a team with lower season ticket turnover.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Without Vogelsong (since I’m not even gonna try to guess what he’ll get) they’ve got 15-20 million coming off the books. Enough to go buy a major free agent.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum will be getting a raise as well.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Added that in. Lincecum is the only real arbitration commitment they have, everyone else is either bad or in year one of arbitration.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they bring Sanchez back, they are looking at something like $110 million before any other moves

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

MIssed Sanchez.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw rumblings a few weeks back that he is a non-tender candidate, so SF might miss him too :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Andrew Baggarly has a pretty thorough set of notes in a post today on Sabean’s offseason plans. Doesn’t sound like they will be major players in free agency.

They are looking to re-sign Beltran, but don’t expect a deal to happen quickly.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also wasn't there talk of their being a tighter mgmt/ownership group

now that Neukom is out?

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather trade for David Wright than sign Ramirez.

by dodgers4life on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know you're on the David Wright bandwagon

But it would take a lot more than we really have to give right now.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you give a ram $10 million a year . . .

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll rec it, but I would really pimp it if you had gone with “ewes”.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

you’re right, sheep=rams and ewes.

Trivia question, a ram is an uncastrated male sheep. What do you call a castrated male sheep?

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

a hipster

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

castrated

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

a sad sheep

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

no one got it

it’s called a wether.

And of course, a castrated bull is called a steer

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never heard of it (the word).

Whether it’s wether weather is a moo(t) point. Baah!

by berkowit28 on Sep 29, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

When the ex-ram asks what happened

The answer is You can’t do anything about it wether.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weren’t the (LA) Rams cheerleaders once called the Embraceable Ewes? Or is that just a suggestion that I remember?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, yes they were

you are slipping though

no photo?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

something about that picture

makes them look bottomless

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

your dirty mind.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I found myself leaning toward the screen, trying to see what was what, so to speak.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Sep 29, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d trade Webster and a a couple of minor league players for David Wright easily. Players on the major league roster(Gordon,Sands,etc.) though are off limits. I believe that we are only a bat away from being serious contenders. Wright would be that bat in my opinion.

by dodgers4life on Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sands is first on my trade list.

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying though

They will want guys like Sands, Gordon, Eo, Kenley, guys who have shown they can play in the majors but have only been rookies this year. I’d bet they’d want at least 1 or 2 of these guys alone THEN a minor leaguer or two (top prospect).

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

David Wright has made himself tradable, but if they trade him, they still gotta sell that trade to their fanbase. There is no way they trade him for a package that is headlined by Webster.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are the 2011 Red Sox of trade proposals.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I know what you are getting at

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like it might cost another of our better prospects as well

And possibly a young prospect with good upside. I could see them asking for Jonathan Garcia as well.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

we’d have to give them Sands, Dee and Eovaldi, and it ain’t happenin

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

the salaries they will earn is a huge factor there.

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

if a ram gets that much money

I will poop myself out of shock

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

33 isn't that old actually

I rescind my comment.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m more intrigued by pooping yourself out of shock

like, i am so shocked i pooped or
i was really shocked but then i pooped so i’m fine now

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

you can poop when you are very scared or when you die

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

or apparently when you give birth

:(

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

yup

that’s why they used to make birthing mothers get enemas

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was Zobrists job

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your daughter had tits when she was born?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone has tits, E.

Some are just better than others.

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some are just better bigger than others.

same difference, mostly

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

NONSENSE

bigger is not always better with boobies, not by a long shit.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not by a long shit made me laugh

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Longer is not always better with shit.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

But you feel as though you’ve accomplished so much more.

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

not even mostly

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

best comment ever
green for life

this makes me hurt

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, you were working on them

as she was in labor? That’s creepy

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trying to keep from laughing at her cussing at me

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

In 1966 that’s what my mom thought happened. Turns out it was just Greg.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thought I’d see four or five of these in a span of seconds

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

what happens to Uribe? 2B with Sellers acting as Carroll?

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clayton Kershaw

is the Dan Patrick interview in SI this week

I read it last night before bed, perfect cap to the day

he is humble about everything except Matt Kemp

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s no Verlander

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard him live earlier in the week

I was expecting more of a Texas Twang. Sorry, I don’t here him speak out here on the east coast.

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp was pissed in that Simers article that Simers didn’t think Kersh deserved the CY. FRIENDZ

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Taking forever to post

It did that to me last night too

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

blew chunks last night, I ended up giving up, it does seem to be having some problems right now.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh, and, with brother and sister schools you do dances together, and you end up at the same parties and stuff. So it’s not like Evan was just a name in a yearbook, I saw him all the time. And his aunt teaches at the same school as my mom. Party poopers : )

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why you talking to me, G Scott made that comment?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

and then you said, “when did you take over my personality?” : )

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, but I knew the answer you delivered. It was something I’d ask if I didn’t know the answer.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

All that Subject, text shenanigans blew out something else. Fuckin IT

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

too many excited baseball fans

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t we have similar problems during the 09 playoffs? TBLA traffic was crazy. We were having 6 overflow threads.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

this was systemwide though, like SBNs servers were overloaded

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s def what did it, just thought things would be back to normal by now.

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

People on the east coast

where asleep when it all went down?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lunch break just ended on the east coast. Not crazy talk.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I went to bed at about 23:15

O’s & Sawx had just started back up, Sawx up 3-2, Rays & Yanks were in the 12th (I think) tied 7-7, and the Braves-Fuck the Phillies were 3-3 in the 14th.

by Greg Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

D’Backs/Brewers play Game 1 at 10:37 am pacific on Saturday.

Game 2 is Sunday at 2:07 pm pacific. Head to head with the Packers game.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

7 minutes past the hour. I wish they’d get over that. Exception for Toronto, which has always done it.

by berkowit28 on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked that the White Sox got an endorsement deal out of it a few years back, starting all their 7pm games at 7:11.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rays / Rangers

Game 1: 2:07pm Friday
Game 2: 4:07pm Saturday
Game 3: 2:07pm Monday

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Knowing what you know now

would you have voted differently for the top prospect?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Yup

I would have voted for Rubby by a mile.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Lee would probably not be ranked so highly.

Nice to see that Dee lived up to his (formerly) ranked status of being awesome

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya

I have to give credit to poster BFDC. He was all about the scouting reports on Dee and they were right. Dee wasn’t a world-beater, but his ability to field his position at the major league level was fantastic considering his struggles in the minors. The scouts were all ove rthat.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kenley.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted DeWitt, Hookers and blow.

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

in my inside of the park baseball gm sim on iphone

dewitt is a 5 star player making millions of dollars for the yankees.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aww DeWitt.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I pimped Kenley Jansen and Sands pretty hard, I’m happy with that. I had Rubby as my top pitching prospect, I’m happy with that.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mine would be something like

1. Rubby
2. Sands
3. Gordon
4. Kenley
5. Eovaldi

I really wish we could have seen Rubby all year and for all of next year too, he was so electric. Sands may not have the best looking numbers, but he showed a lot after he came back up and makes me think he can still be around the player we thought he’d be, just more of a doubles hitter. I very nearly put Gordon 2nd, because he’s showed an almost elite game at SS in September, but I like Sand’s chances better.

As for Kenley, he might deserve to go number 1 just on how dominant he was june 18th on. It was seriously amazing. His september was epic. Eo because he was awesome in AA and held his own at the MLB level.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did Anybody Besides Me Put Rubby #1?

I honestly don’t remember. On the down side, my skepticism about Dee is not looking wise right now. But If I am going to be wrong about a Dodger prospect, I would much prefer he turn out better than I foresaw instead of worse.

by CanuckDodger on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh I was pimping Rubby from the beginning. It was fun watching him go #4.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it’s not.

But it will happen with Chris Withrow.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

hes gonna be unstoppable in the pen

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

all of his ratios other than BB/9 are legit. HR rate is league average, K’s are high, H/9 is way lower than last year. He’s about to bust out, and he’s still way young. This is going to be a fun year.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

IIRC, I went with Kenley in the initial vote, and then, in the re-vote, your argument convinced me and I went with Rubby.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

The last man to pitch eight shutouts in a season is no longer the Indians pitching coach.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

no man can pitch 8 shutouts

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

in a hour

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

THIS is the happiest place on earth

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ubaldo was crap once he got there, I can’t imagine them not going to someone outside the organization and probably with experience dealing with Jimenez. Good on Sandy Jr for the bench job.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tim Belcher?

/looking now

/fist pump

by keithc13 on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bill’s GH & S???

Let me guess, Bill’s Gambling Hall and Smorgessborg?

I guess Denny’s was giving worse odds. :)

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

2 wild card team playoffs

If this season had been played with 2 wild card teams eligible – all the drama last night would have been solely for home field advantage!

by latenite on Sep 29, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Matt Kemp's final OBP

.399129

Too bad that official scorer on Sunday didn’t change the error to a hit! (would have been .400581)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

was that longo

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

funny thing is, just before they cut from them to the game, you can hear Reynolds go “ARE YOU KIDD-”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew right then something awesome was about to happen. Watching MLB TV last night made up for TBLA being dicky.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

hah

the guy on the right seems to be like, DUDE JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY! CHILLAX

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

so as I see that

analyst 1, furthest to the left, is on the air for both those moments. the other two are doing silly dances trying not to get in the shot or make noise on the broadcast

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's no Barajas + Dee Baby Rocking though.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

two thirds is greater than one third

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do agree

But 2.2 fWAR, .288/.339/.416, even for a first baseman, isn’t too horrible.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

For instance

Casey Kotchman was at 2.7 WAR .306/.378/.422. Clearly he was better, but another few weeks and Loney may have caught up to him, lol.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kotchman’s season was heartstopping.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He fell quite a bit the last month and a half

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=kotchca01&t=b&year=2011&share=1.20#749-791-sum:batting_gamelogs

His last 43 games he hit .226/.331/.281 with only 4 extra base hits. Its shocking to see that line from him and the Rays still winning the way they did.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Helps that BJ Upton was the second best hitter in baseball in Sept

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

and Longo

was pretty darn good too

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

and healthy

being healthy is nice

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not as heart stopping as Dan Johnson’s season.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Silver lining for Red Sox is they don’t need that Game 163 starter now :)

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

You guys will get this eventually.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha

Chest pains

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

shit hellickson is a rookie huh?

winner winner chicken dinner?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

he has Mike Scioscia

ranked as 3rd in his AL Manager of the Year? Are you fucking kidding me?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The issue he brings up about Kemp vs Braun is that Braun put up those numbers on a team where every single game mattered, and that is supposedly more difficult.

I would argue that doing what Kemp did is more difficult, because he played hard every day for a team that wasn’t anywhere near close to being in contention.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watched Catching Hell late last night. It was pretty amazing.

I’m sure this was more for logistical and “just in case” reasons than anything, but Moises Alou after Game 6 of the NLCS booked a flight home to the Dominican Republic for right after Game 7.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

BATTLEFIELD 3 AHHHHHHHHHHWAHHH!!!!
sorry

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

dling as we speak

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

a John Travolta sequel?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

in serious conversation for worst movie ever. all i remember (besides Anthony Lane’s hysterical review) is almost every camera shot is tilted. didn’t improve the product. oh, and JT had a ridic accent.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I started watching Amageddon

and couldn’t stop. I thought to myself, “I don’t want to miss a thing.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

niccccce

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for you

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never saw it. Is that Ben Affleck and the Asteroid?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

and Bruce MF Willis

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and the asteroid is a better actor

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, didn’t that have Liv Tyler, can any movie be called bad that has Liv Tyler?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i say

nay

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

Stealing Beauty is what I’d call a great bad movie.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that Jersey Girl had some charm. Not a good movie, but charming.

by OB12 on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course it's a Michael Baysplotion movie

and Ben Afflack was not great in it (though still enjoyable for me), I thought it was a good movie to enjoy watching, just not necessarily a good movie.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You kind of like anything don’t you?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

nothing he said was wrong!

plus, steven buscemi. Come on!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s far from what Buscemi will be known for, and you know it!!

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

doesn't mean

he wasn’t awesome.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Desperado

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Favorite Buscemi is Ghost World.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

high five!

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mr. Pink FTW

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do I have to be Mr. Pink?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, “Mr. Pink” sounds like “Mr. Pussy”. Tell you what, let me be Mr. Purple. That sounds good to me. I’m Mr. Purple

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

gotta love Buscemi
“Hey Homer, I’m actor Steve Buscemi.”

“The guy who got fed into the wood chipper in Fargo?!”

(Buscemi nods proudly.)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some friends have told me that

I’m actually a big fan of Ben Afflack and (duh) Bruce Willis. The sidekick to Bruce Willis’ character is an awesome actor in the stuff I’ve seen him in. Plus Steve Buchemi and Billy Bob Thornton are always great.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Things I don't like

The Phillies, the Yankees, the Giants (no particular order here, but Giants would be first), the Red Sox, Rockies, Tyler Perry, Brittney Spears, most punk rock, metal music, classical music, most big dogs I don’t already know, super huge trucks, drugs, Jersey Shore, people who act like dbags most of the time, Kyra Sedgwick, Sex and the City, Sarah Jessica Parker, super nerdy not well known comics and anime, soccer, and i’m sure lots of other stuff.

If you’re looking for movies I dont like, that list might be pretty long :P

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

most big dogs I don’t already know

simply can’t hide a nugget like that.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

they sense your mood

and react accordingly.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not ALWAYS afraid or nervous, but I get that way when they start acting like dicks.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are being incredibly vague

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would post mine

but it would probably ruffle a few feathers.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric

Can you approve people’s accounts who just joined? My friend from the softball game joined and it’s got the 24 hour thing to wait.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I need more of a reason than that :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that a reason to deny?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is your reason’s name Benjamin?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

What’s his username?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cory

lol. I was surprised it was available, or that he’d just go with that.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Humma’s taking that user name. Try Cory1. /jk

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

New Fan Post about Old Friends by SteveSaxPhone

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Saito’s on AZ? Did not know that.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

He put Wolf and Saito on the wrong team.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those hard on David Wright

might want to consider some facts.
1. He will make 15,0000 in 2012 and 16,000,000 in 2013
2. He had a slug% of .427 in 2011
3. His OPS in 2011 was .771

Guys like Lucas Duda and Daniel Murphy had higher slug% then he did on his team before you start quoting me park effects.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

We should trade for Adam Dunn to play first base while we’re at it.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my life

I’ve never seen a collapse like Adam Dunn.
FInal line:
.159 / .292 / .277

His career slug% is still over .500 even after this season. I’ve seen slumps, I’ve never seen this. Never.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's a shoo-in for comeback player of the year though

I can’t imagine he does worse than .240/.360/.490 next year. Seriously, my brain won’t let me believe that.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carl Crawford at .255/.289/.405 says he’s got it.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or Werth?

All the King’s men.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every time someone says, “He [Reyes/Rollins/Beltran] won’t get that much money,” the best counterargument is Werth. That deal was crazy.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those guys all either have injury concerns, are older

or haven’t been elite in a while(rollins). Werth was none of those.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Werth qualified for a batting title twice before signing for $126 million.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

doesn't negate anything I've said yo

He had least had two elite(maybe just solid) healthy seasons heading into free agency. None of those 3 can say that. Unless you are just saying Werth was once considered injury prone, which you have me there a bit.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

More like a platoon player until he started hitting righty’s enough to play everyday.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

There has to be a non-zero chance that this season is a fluke.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

How does this compare with the lead balloon what was Andruw Jones?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, but it was still a pretty big cliff from decline to KP (smile Silverwidow)

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very close, difference was that in 2010 Dunn was very very good. Jones, not so much.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know that’s a joke, but…… if the Dodgers can get Chicago to eat much of that salary… shouldn’t they at least explore such a trade?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’s got Lou Gerhig problems?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s the luckiest man on the face of the earth?

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still think he can be a .300/.370/.480 or so guy

Just not worth 15-16 mill unless his defense turns elite pretty quick.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many third basemen OPSed .850 this year?

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

The last two years have been freakish

I think 3B capable of it next year are Longo, Zimm, Wright, possibly MY (if he even qualifies at that point), Beltre, Aram, Arod, Lawrie, and probly not much else. Out of those guys maybe 4 or 5 might do it.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see your point though

Honestly regardless of the season he had I’d be stoked to get him.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have Beltran for the same money. JMO

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look at us, all convinced by Colletti’s statements that the Dodgers have money. We children are nestled, all snug in our beds, while visions of Fielder dance in our heads.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If kuroda leaves

we might have the money anyways. Or its even worse and we don’t even have that money for kuroda

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The mind boggles.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe him unless he means he’s been allowed to move his deck chairs around so he can spend money on a premium free agent. Those deck chairs being Andre and Chad.

If Ned adds a 9 digit free agent while keeping Andre and Chad I’ll be as astonished I was last night watching Dan Johnson hit a 2 / 2 pitch with two outs into the right field bleachers to complete a comeback for the ages.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how he trades Billingsley. Not only do the Dodgers already need to sign at least one SP (and probably two), but his deal reduces his value. Billingsley wouldn’t get much.

Ethier is another story. His trade value is probably lower than it’s been in some time, but I believe that if he is shopped well, there are teams that would give up good pieces for him. And the “Loney to LF” bullshit — which I believe was bullshit when it was reported — could actually come to fruition that way.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

but his deal reduces his value. Billingsley wouldn’t get much.

No

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

no

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chad has a good contract, he has plenty of value.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I phrased myself poorly. I like Chad’s deal, mostly because I know a lot about Chad because he pitches for my team. But Chad signed his big deal and then finished with an ERA+ that is worse than that of the much-maligned Ted Lilly. That is going to mean a lot to a lot of teams.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That he’s a pitcher in his mid 20s with a 3/35 contract is gonna mean a lot too.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re probably right. Anyway, I don’t see him getting traded anyway, because I don’t think Colletti has the low-cost option to replace him.

I guess all I mean to say is that perception can sometimes mean as much as reality, and if the Dodgers attempt to him, the perception will be, “You know a lot about this guy, you signed him to a big deal, he had a disappointing season, and now you want to move him,” and the stink will be on that. There are probably teams that see him as a good bounce-back candidate, sure, of course — but are there enough of those teams to raise his value to where it belongs?

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

back to the point, do you think Ned is really going to sign a new FA while keeping this team intact?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he will, I think he almost has to. Despite how we finished, this team obviously still needs another offensive piece and I don’t think he will be content to count on a comeback from Uribe to do it.

by OB12 on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The team might need to sign a big guy and Ned may be 100% on board with that.

That doesn’t mean Frank or the bankruptcy court will allow it.

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pujols or Fielder may be out of reach, but I don’t see anyone throwing up roadblocks if he wants to go after Ramirez.

by OB12 on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is the money coming from?

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

either a new tv deal

or a new owner

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

For this offseason

the only hope is a new TV deal. We aren’t getting a new owner anytime soon.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea. The big questions are, what is payroll going to be, and does Kuroda want to come back or return to Japan?

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And What the F#$% was Barajas saying to Dee?

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really:) His ERA+ is going to mean alot to a lot of teams? Maybe to their bloggers.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bloggers who haven’t come around to x-FIP anyway :)

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can have Fielder, I have Denning and Hendricks dancing in my head.

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a lot of shaking like a bowl full of jelly.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

And one sticky mess in the morning.

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Ram > Beltran >>> Wright on my wishlist. Not really interested in giving up what it would take to get wright and then of course the money he is owed.

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don't need Beltran

He is too old and on the decline. Plus we shouldn’t spend money on a position that we don’t need. Sands will likely start next year.

by dodgers4life on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

He would be an upgrade on sands

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Besides Andre will be gone after 2012. Having Sands as right handed caddy for Andre and health insurance for Beltran would not be the worst plan.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loney understudy too.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

LA Needs Infielders

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Four
Panda
Beltre
Longoria
ARam

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was the best of the best

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp started 158 of 161 games in CF this year and played 1380 of 1462 innings, 96.4%.

Nobody in the National League has played more defensive innings in the outfield than Kemp (4131.1) in the past three years. In the majors, only Nick Markakis (4194) has played more OF innings from 2009-2011.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

He started a game in a corner? Or did he not start and come in as a PH?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp started twice at DH, and he had one game where he didn’t start at all, on June 10 in Colorado. Then he batted in the 9th inning and hit a ball that still hasn’t landed.

Dodgers were down 6-0 in the 9th and lost 6-5.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

damn he hit that thing far, wow.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Curse of the Andino /notmine

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

That single will be the highlight of his career.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love the fact that Napoli ended with a 5.7 fWAR

.320/.414/.632 line in 113 games. It would have been a fail trade even if it was Rivera straight up for Wells, but Napoli on top, then going to the Rangers just makes it all the sweeter.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

just like Santana

We might have to issue a Napoli discussion ban.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why can’t we talk about our 2012 catcher?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d need to see whether or not Napoli can pick up and cradle our shortstop first.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

He can

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guys, c’mon. I can pick up and cradle our shortstop.

/notreally
//evensmallerthantheshortstop

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Gordon could pick you up

and cradle you

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m smaller than the shortstop, but not that much smaller. He has about 4 inches in height and 10 or 15 pounds in weight.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

a lot of babies come from Napoli

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

exhibit A

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know a .gif is good when just thinking about it makes you laugh.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is easily the craziest thing you will ever ever see in a dugout.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really feel the need to learn more about this ritual

I don’t ever want it to stop

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of a year ago, when I longed for a ban on talking about left field.

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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you also an Angel fan?

Santana happened all the way back in 08, we’re still in the first year of the Napoli trade debacle :)

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, but it’s just painful at this point. Maybe I have a tad of empathy for Nolander. Maybe.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got to see it first hand last night

dude really punished the angels

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

So who has signed more bad free agents?

Ned or Theo?

Seems Theo’s still have time to redeem themselves (not Dice-K tho) but with the nuclear winter awaiting the chowderheads I wonder if some money will just be eaten (I’m looking at you Lackey).

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Difference is that Theo can just say whatever and go get someone else.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt that factors into the recklessness

if he goes to the Cubs he can continue the Hendry tradition

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

David ORtiz is going to wonder all winter why they didn’t use Aceves in the rotation.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t you start the man with the greatest winning percentage of all time?

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw Ortiz hit two of the hardest hit singles in history the last few days. With his wheels, he didn’t even think of trying for second base.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m told base cloggers are not a bad thing.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt bad for him, to be honest. Hit a ball that hard and get a single in the box score.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Decent chance there is a Theo / Tito power play this winter, and it’s either/or. One could be gone.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else of the idea

That since the Red Sox after making history with their collapse will go out and go crazy in the free agent market? I could see them signing Fielder or Pujols (Pujols seems more likely to me), not resigning Ortiz, and then possibly trade Youk for some pitching and getting someone else to play 3B.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

They will go after pitching

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

They had a 7.08 ERA in September.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

…from their starters

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everytime I turned around Bard seemed to be getting worked.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Red Sox starters in September

just quick and dirty, by ERA:

Jon Lester: 6 starts, 5.40 ERA
John Lackey: 5, 9.13
Tim Wakefield: 4, 5.25
Josh Beckett: 4, 5.48
Erik Bedard: 3, 5.25
Kyle Weiland: 3, 7.36
Andrew Miller: 2, 11.70

Wakefield, Weiland, and Miller each also pitched in relief in September. Their ERAs reflect everything together.

Holy fuck that is terrible.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Erik Bedard: 3, 5.25

That 5.25 ERA is tied for their best with Wakefield! Good gosh, without that trade, they’d have been even worse.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ted Lilly meanwhile …………………..

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

is available for the right offer.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

a bag of beans

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

lilly and etheir

for …..

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

lilly etheir

sands gordon eo for youk

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

FINE

throw in Withrow

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You kill us.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

It’s not a bad trade but it totally takes away our starting RF, probable starting LF/1B, starting SS, and our number 3 pitcher.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boston’s starting pitchers in September averaged 4.75 innings per start. They basically performed, as a whole, like the 2010 Dodgers’ group of 5th starters, the Ely/Monk brigade.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Idea Eric

We can trade them Ely and Monk

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

proposal

if LAD allocate Kuroda $$ somewhere else this winter, would you take Lackey as a 5th starter if the Red Sox eat his salary?

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Red Sox eat his salary? Are we talking his entire salary (Dodgers pay the minimum)? If so…. Why not? The Dodgers have the roster spot, and if he sucks, they can release him.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

For them to eat his entire salary we’d have to give up some sort of prospect. Lackey is horrible and not worth a prospect.

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I was assuming that Lackey coming over was part of some larger, complicated trade for another player that the Dodgers would actually want, and that the Dodgers would give up players for that guy and also have to take Lackey and money (as the Red Sox need the roster spot).

Lackey plus money for a good prospect and nothing else involved? No, no team would do that.

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by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

this was my thinking

he would be a throw in as part of a larger Dre trade

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably they would not have to eat the whole thing. Lackey had a bad month, but before that he was an unlucky pitcher ERA wise. Not good by any means but not the worse pitcher in baseball type of numbers he threw up in Sept. I’d have to look deeper but I would not say no just based on his ERA.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I think they might get Pujols (or fielder) and trade Youk

who should be very valuable and could bring back a very nice pitcher. Youk for Billingsley and Webster!

/Don’t really want to trade Bills

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys can pine over Wright, give me Youk anyday of the week.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t see them trading Youk.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

aren’t Youk and Pedroia signed to really team friendly deals ?

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cause if any team needed a discount to make ends meet it is the Red Sox.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very much so

Pedroia has 3 years, $28.5 million guaranteed left through 2014, plus an option for 2015 that could increase it to $39m.

Youkilis has one year left at $12 million, plus a $13 million club option for 2013 with a $1 million buyout.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

how does that even work

move Ortiz to 3rd?

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lowrie, played there while Youk has been hurt. You might have noticed him missing this month.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lets trade lilly and etheir for lowrie

or something

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ortiz would be a FA in this case

and they would find a replacement at 3B for youk.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the point of it then

That might actually make them worse

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there's a 90% chance

Pujols>Ortiz in 2012, and 100% chance Pujols>>>Ortiz the next 5 years. They would lose part of their (spectacular) offense with Youk, but gain a pitcher close to or equally as good as him in value to make their pitching staff less shitty. Actually, they may not get 1 pitcher as good as him, but they could get someone young and valuable and then a prospect or two for Youk. Honestly I think unless they just go sign Wilson this would make them better off.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. That’s why we have to get our schaudenfreud in now.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

No on trading Youk
No on signing Fielder or Pujols

Yes on getting busy for pitching.

Expect Larvnway, Lowrie or Scutaro to get moved.

They need a right fielder.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

they say Kalish and Reddick are the future but I don’t buy that.

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ethier picked a bad time to get hurt and have his power bottom out

we could definitely do business with Boston…Sands in RF and Beltran in LF

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sands in RF,Loney in LF, and Prince at 1B.

by dodgers4life on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would not shock me at all if Andre is in Boston

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the inside scoop. Pedroia and he are buddies.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see Boston trading for a left handed bat. I know they will have turnover but I just don’t see them wanting another lefty. Not as a first choice at least.

by VegasBlues on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drew and Ortiz are both free agents. They have Ellsbury/Gonzalez/Crawford as LH but Youkilis and Pedroia as good RH. And their LH hitters don’t have huge L/R splits to worry about. Their lineup is just not the issue.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Drew said

he’s going to retire.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

rot in hell?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

aye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

My Dad loathes him.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saturday's playoff schedule of awesomeness

D’Backs/Brewers: 11:00 am
Cardinals/Phillies: 2:00 pm
Rays/Rangers: 4:00 pm (TNT)
Tigers/Yankees: 5:30pm

I’ll be at the Coliseum for half of that but that’s a heck of a playoff day.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I know Micheal Kay gets a bad rap sometimes but I enjoy listening to him broadcast games

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I always liked him too. Plus he calls Vin his idol, so he can’t be all bad.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES! Was so excellent.

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I like his writing style

I’ve written this before: I never argue with people who say baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn’t. And that’s what makes it great.

Statements like that don’t really do much for me.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

a drop in the ocean of beautiful things he has written

Soul of Baseball, The Machine

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like a great sentence to me.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jayson Stark's year end award picks

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7029954/mlb-award-winners-2011-major-league-baseball-season

Gives his justification for Braun over Kemp (WHATever! j/k, I do get it, to an extent.)

And why he goes Kershaw for CY (of course).

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Through 18 picks

Rays—2
Tigers—4
Phillies—7
Rangers—1
Brewers—4

No love for AZ, STL, or NYY

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

These are the WS winner picks?

I think the Phillies either win or lose in like 75% of the picks.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if this was posted earlier

but thought this was cool from the Dodgers FYI article from Dylan Hernandez:

Near the end of the Dodgers’ team meeting Monday, Kershaw stood up and announced he had something to say.

He said he wanted Kuroda to return next season.

“He knows how we feel,” Kershaw said. “We love him here. If he decides to go back to Japan, we understand. That’s his home. He will be a tough person and a tough player to replace, if he decides to go home to Japan.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Also

from Hernandez’s look ahead to 2012, on Juan Uribe:

His performance was so substandard that Mattingly said he isn’t guaranteed a starting position next year.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

do we give ned credit

for fixing the terrible terrible team he put together in the offseason by the moves he made from July-on?

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

why not?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasted money without giving in house player an oportunity to grow on the big stage.
Velez.
Holding on to injured players instead of bringing up in house replacements, thus shortening the bench.
Work put in by the coaching staff to help slumping players evolve (#7).
Waited to long to return AJ to the big club.

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ll give him credit for bringing in Rivera off the scrap heap though.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

muchas

and I will give him credit for not trading Matt Kemp when it seemed that everyone but us was begging him not too

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trading Furcal for something of questionable value and trading Trayvon Robinson for something of questionable value?

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

not bad stuff right there

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both Furcal and Trayvon have questionable value themselves. For Furcal we got future questionable value and for Trayvon we got not having to watch Trayvon Robinson.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a big get for Tray.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

PVL!

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

leadership baby

our baby boy is all growns up

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's really cool

I’m sure that goes a long way with Kuroda

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Jackson:

Dodgers looking at Japanese pitcher Tsuyoshi Wada.

Wada, 30, entered this season with a 41-31 record and a 3.30 ERA in four seasons with the Hawks, during which he made 88 starts and two relief appearances. This year, he is 13-5 and ranks third in the Pacific League with a 1.70 ERA.
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One concern with Wada, the source said, is whether he can adjust to pitching every fifth day, as starting pitchers in the U.S. major leagues normally do, instead of once a week as starters in the Japanese leagues do. This, however, is a common concern with most Japanese pitchers looking to jump to the U.S., and alleviating that concern is all part of the routine scouting process for such players, that process tending to be lengthy.
I wonder if Wada is vehemently against steroids.

by fbihop on Sep 29, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope the Red Sox spend $102mil on him.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

His English name

Needs to be Johnny

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

True story:

I once worked with a Jon Wada.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Numbers look solid, scouting report looks terrible


Wada, 31 in February, is a Dallas Braden type with “a 86-87 mph fastball, a good circle change, and a solid slider,” in the opinion of Newman. Newman’s biggest concern is whether Wada could handle the innings required of an MLB starting pitcher.

But we’ve had a ton of success in Japan so why not.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like the Nishioka of pitchers

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Colin Wyers wrote a very awesome article on Baseball Prospectus on dealing with the pain of sports losing. It’s free. And so good.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Sabean
Sabean said the biggest improvement for next year needs to be defense and baserunning, and that’s where any free-agent money might go. He also said they need an upgrade at center field and the leadoff spot. Coco Crisp, anyone?

Oh, please, please focus on defense and baserunning.
/dontbelievesabeanforasecond

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

In the MLBTR blog post about the Giants today they also mentioned how they will focus on pitching first

I mean, I get not resting on their laurels, they could have depth concerns and so on. But really, was pitching their issue this year? So yes, please focus on defense, pitching and baserunning. :)

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants need pitching like Josie needs a book of Gloria Steinem quotations.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big Offseason Acquisition: Chin-lung Hu

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

They meant pitching was their focus as in they are going to try to extend Cain before they do anything else, and if Lincecum wants to talk they will. Not add pitching necessarily.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Decision on J. Sanchez is big too.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

bring back Sanchez at $6mil or have Zito be your 5.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like they may bring him back and have him compete for 5th starter spot

with Zito according to that article (buahahahahahaha)

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

all indications are

they are going to tender him. I think Sabean said something like both him and Zito will have to compete for a rotation spot

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s time to trade Zito. I could Seattle or even SD.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boston:)

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

YES!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noooo! I don't want the Giants getting anything decent for him. Want them stuck with him

more than I want Boston stuck with him.

Though if they’d made trade for him for 1 start this week I would’ve laughed.

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, that makes a bit more sense. Yeah, like the Dodgers have their own extension issues

so too do the Giants, that makes more sense.

I heard Sabean on the radio here yesterday (he sounds similar to Colletti btw, not just in what he says but his voice) And he said priority was finding a leadoff hitter. Which is why they’re interested in CoCo Crispy Cereal.

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

They shitcanning Torres after one down year:)

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like a year after his one good year ever :-)

he’s also 33 years old.

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prediction

Crisp will go from underrated to overrated this offseason

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Coco Crisp thing was a guess by Hank Schulman and not Sabean saying they would pursue him. I don’t think sabean can or would talk about specific free agents just yet.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right true

I’d heard Crisp mentioned by others, too, but all just local pundits and radio people wondering aloud, so not really anything real.

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

Crisp played in Oakland, so it was an easy name to pull. We’ll see as the offseason progresses, but I bet whoever they sign they’ll be disappointed with.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andruw Jones? :)

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Denard Spam!

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe a diaphragm

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you mean this?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know a female bar tender that has grabed one of those out of her snatch and thrown it at someone.

by Grimjack on Sep 29, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

if I was at a bar, and the bartender grabbed a condom off his prick and threw it at me, I would call the police

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

not all double standards go against women!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Javier Vasquez beat Kershaw (and Lee) for NL pitcher of the month for September

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

1.92 ERA since June 16th.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretty amazing turnaround

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

More unexpected home run

Dan Johnson off Cory Wade in the 9th inning last night or Mike Scioscia off Doc Gooden in Game 4 of the 1988 NLCS?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

At least Scioscia hit his off an actual major league pitcher, so I’ll say 1988.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was Scioscia’s so unexpected that he hit a guy in the sack?

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Johnson’s.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck that guy

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Johnson vs Wade was crap vs crap

(his HR also was inside the right field pocket not exactly crushed). Scioscia wasn’t known for his power but was a good hitter, but Gooden was a great pitcher so… I don’t know, they kind of even each other out, but I’d still vote Scioscia’s the more impressive.

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Weis off Dave McNally in the 1969 WS.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice pull

How about McNally hitting a grand slam though I have no idea who it was off of.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bah

McNally’s second WS home run. (I don’t remember either, looked it up.) The GS was off Wayne Granger in 1970 (looked that up too). The first one was in ’69, the historic last game of the WS, off Koosman to open the scoring.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

uhoh
erictortiz: Theo Epstein on #RedSox players in clubhouse: “I have a ton of respect for almost all of them.”

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2011 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Just the white ones.
/Boston

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tell you one thing Depodesta NEVER threw a player or coach under the bus.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t have time too.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

bum bum BUM

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

he continued: “But Crawford got me socks for my birthday. Ass”

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good lord, should be an entertaining offseason in the Hub.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

“But that Papelbon’s a jackoff. I mean, throw the same pitch over and over again. I get it. You’re the man. But think of the goddam fans once in a while!” [unclips microphone and storms off]

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

so

it begins………

/otter.jpg

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Otter?

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

south park

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

x

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

south park reference

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Running Down a Dream

is running over and over in my head today.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I picture Papelbon sitting in his mansion with his one-sided beer pong table playing You’re All I’ve Got Tonight over and over

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hate to say it..........

but we simply have to sign Barajas now

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Funny

the team who is entering the playoffs with the most emotion is the one who made exactly 0 in-season trades. Tampa.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

i saw that

best thing they did was NOT trade BJ Upton

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he and Longo

go on another homer spree

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

they have payback comin' vs. Texas

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt. Ned will give him $4 mil.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

do we need a father figure that badly?

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

the craddling is too adorable

that is sitcom level cute right there

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Ortiz would make a great Ray in 2012.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

they'll need to replace Damon

dooooo it

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Pat Burrell with production.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what they thought about Pat Burrell :)

Is Tampa the last stadium with turf?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, White Sox sign Ortiz after they trade Dunn to the Brewers.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trayvon?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Hopefully Jerry continues to improve.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember going into spring training thinking “A 2012 Lineup of Dee, Trayvon, Kemp, Fielder, Sands, Uribe, Ellis, DeJesus would be kinda cool”

Then I saw spring training. Good lord.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

hell sands had an ops of 601 in his first 156 ABs. Course he wasn’t striking out 38 percent of the time. Look what he has done since then. Can’t bury Tray yet.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

the swings I saw Tray take against the Angels in September were the same ones I saw in March. Sands improved because he adapted. Too soon, sure, but all the warnings signs are there.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

the SOs that I worried about when he was in the dodger system are still teh reason to worry about him now. Sands being sent down to work on his swing has worked out very well so far

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it wasn’t so much THAT he was striking out, but HOW he was striking out. Dude was getting low 90’s fastballs thrown by him because he would armbar and swing around them.

Sands, like Joe said, was cheating (and still is, yes), but has a better idea of what having an actual approach is like. Positive isgns abound.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

but it wasn’t so much THAT he was striking out

to me, when you are striking out at a clip higher then 30 percent, all that really matters is you are striking out way to f’ing much

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

not that you are wrong

but his strikeout rate alone was reason for concern without any need for deeper analysis

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, but a player striking out because of something like a timing issue or simply seeing new and improved breaking stuff, etc, offers hope for improvement. Trayvon’s swing itself indicated lots of fly balls and lots of getting beat by inside fastballs.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see the next set of Jerry adaptions

I think he is cheating a bit and will get caught

adapts again and I am on the last train to clarksville and a believer

I so want to be a believer

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

he made good adjustments in the middle of the season

imagine what he can do given an entire off-season to work on his batting mechanics?

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

imagine an entire off season for hitting coaches to find his weakness and relay them to their pitchers.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

and an entire offseason for his swing to go infrequently checked as he talks to all his old hitting coaches and slips back into old habits. See you at Winter Camp, jerry.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve come not to praise Tray, but to tell you hold off on buying him

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t praise, appraise.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Julius Caesar – Mark Anthony’s eulogy

stuck a cord for some reason

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

talk about sophomore slumps

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

.150 .204 .306 .509 in 222 PA

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like Trayvon.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You knew it was Trayvon since G Scott posted it.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Juan Rivera in 2012

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Guess this player

2008 OPS+ 93
2009 – not enough major league at bats
2010 OPS+ 92
2011 OPS+ 95

WHen I saw this a few day ago his OPS+ in 2011 was 91 for perfect symmetry but he must have gotten hot the last few games.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Cameron Maybin?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, Ex-Dodger

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

LaRoche?

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

DeWitt?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wishes
78
36
94
52
81

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Total guess is J.D. Drew, but I have no idea. I’m thrown off about 2009 whether you mean qualified for the batting title or just that he played a scant few games.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

scant few games

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Bodog

World Series and Pennant Odds

Odds to win the 2011 World Series
Philadelphia Phillies 7/4
New York Yankees 4/1
Detroit Tigers 7/1
Milwaukee Brewers 15/2
Tampa Bay Rays 8/1
Texas Rangers 8/1
Arizona Diamondbacks 14/1
St. Louis Cardinals 14/1

Odds to win the 2011 AL Pennant
New York Yankees 3/2
Tampa Bay Rays 4/1
Texas Rangers 13/4
Detroit Tigers 13/4
 

Odds to win the 2011 NL Pennant
Philadelphia Phillies 4/7
Milwaukee Brewers 15/4
Arizona Diamondbacks 6/1
St. Louis Cardinals 13/2
 

2011 World Series Exact Matchup
Detroit Tigers vs. Arizona Diamondbacks 28/1
Detroit Tigers vs. Milwaukee Brewers 18/1
Detroit Tigers vs. Philadelphia Phillies 11/2
Detroit Tigers vs. St. Louis Cardinals 28/1
New York Yankees vs. Arizona Diamondbacks 14/1
New York Yankees vs. Milwaukee Brewers 10/1
New York Yankees vs. Philadelphia Phillies 5/2
New York Yankees vs. St. Louis Cardinals 15/1
Tampa Bay Rays vs. Arizona Diamondbacks 30/1
Tampa Bay Rays vs. Milwaukee Brewers 20/1
Tampa Bay Rays vs. Philadelphia Phillies 13/2
Tampa Bay Rays vs. St. Louis Cardinals 33/1
Texas Rangers vs. Arizona Diamondbacks 25/1
Texas Rangers vs. Milwaukee Brewers 18/1
Texas Rangers vs. Philadelphia Phillies 11/2
Texas Rangers vs. St. Louis Cardinals 28/1

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I should add this to the postseason contest.

Looks like I’m 18 – 1for the exact matchup.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit looks like a good value. Texas too.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

secret sauce

in terms of playoff success secret sauce which team looks the best? yankees? detroit?

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was once listed as less then a prospect then my guy

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

my Kemp adoration is bordering on creepy these days

Good thing the season ended, I really need to dial it back a notch

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Either Kemp or Braun. I’ll go Matty.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

good guess

I put up Braun’s numbers and stick a knife in my skull please

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Velez?

Oh, I thought that said -171…

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miggy finished at 181. He’s the AL MVP to me.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bautista a very close second.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d give Matt Kemp both MVPs.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoever wrote that one article above (Neyer?) had Miggy 5th. Can’t truss it.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man it really has been a long season

that amazing Mitchell Castro game against the White Sox feels like it was ages ago.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

It feels like a month ago that I was sitting at a bar with my buddy

doing predictions for the divisions, playoffs, and awards. I had top 3 in NL CY as Hanson, Greinke, Kershaw (purposefully leaving out Doc because it was obvious he’d be up there) top 3 in MVP voting as Pujols, Fielder, Wright. I had Boston vs Atlanta (oops) in the World Series.

Hooray for great predictions!

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my Scoresheet League MATT HITS 40

        Runs                    Hits                 Home Runs            Runs Batted In   
10 Votto,Jo      113     9 Gonzalez,Ad   218    11 Teixeira,Ma   40    11 Teixeira,Ma   128
 1 Fielder,Pr    108     9 Castro,St     213      3 Kemp,Ma       40     6 Pujols,Al     120
 3 Kemp,Ma       108     3 Kemp,Ma       201    12 Reynolds,Ma   39     3 Kemp,Ma       115
 6 Pujols,Al     103    11 Bourn,Mi      198     1 Fielder,Pr    39     3 Upton,Ju      114
 1 Braun(Mil),Ry 102    10 Votto,Jo      192     6 Pujols,Al     38     8 Howard,Ry     111
 3 Upton,Ju      101     3 Cabrera,Mi    190     8 Howard,Ry     37     1 Fielder,Pr    104
 9 Castro,St     100     1 Braun(Mil),Ry 190     2 Uggla,Da      35     9 Gonzalez,Ad   103
 9 Gonzalez,Ad    99     5 Cano,Ro       188     1 Braun(Mil),Ry 34     3 Cabrera,Mi    102
 3 Cabrera,Mi     98     7 Pence,Hu      187     2 Stanton,Mi    34     6 Tulowitzki,Tr 101
 8 Howard,Ry      96    10 Phillips,Br   186     6 Berkman,La    33     5 Beltran,Ca    101
 6 Berkman,La     96     6 Pujols,Al     180    10 Bruce,Ja      33    10 Bruce,Ja       97
 2 Sanchez,Ga     95     6 Ramirez,Ar    178         3 tied with 31     6 Ramirez,Ar     96

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

How many did fake Matt steal?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

43

Kershaw led the league in ERA 2.32, K’s 260 .

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers going with three catchers and a seven man pen, including Alexi Ogando, in the NLDS

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Rested Ogando was throwing bee bee’s this week. Hell of a bullpen for the Rangers going into this series.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

As HJ or BH will no doubt tell you, make sure your Ogando is properly rested before serving.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone have the balls to troll Michael Chiklis?

7 championships in 4 sports in 9 years. Boston Mass. #1 in sports. You haters have your fun but that’s a fact you’ll just have to deal with.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

oh I bet you loved this
MichaelChiklis Michael Chiklis
You gotta hand it to us, whether we win or lose in Boston, it’s always like nothing you’ve ever seen. Magnificent or car accident brutal.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is rather correct

Boston has had a ton of incredible sports moments, both good and bad. The arrogance is another matter.

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually liked that 2nd tweet, seemed to capture it a little better than the other much more defensive tweet

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

People are afraid of an actor who plays a tough guy?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looked stupid as The Thing.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

ouch
At age 20, Chiklis shaved his head to look like he had male-pattern baldness for his role as a 95-year-old man in You Can’t Take It With You. Instead of using powder on his head (as he did on his face), he used greasepaint, and he failed to remove it properly at the end of each day. This killed the hair follicles on his head, essentially shaping his career in many ways. Chiklis has said in an NPR interview that this was a very traumatic experience as a young actor, and is the reason he wore a hairpiece in Wired.

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should have taken it with him

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Chiklis is badass

I’m not going to dispute what he says, haha.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers hired a new point man for arbitration

Alex Tamin, who is Director of Baseball Contracts, Research and Operations.

He is a lawyer who has represented teams in arb cases for 15 years, among other things and, according to the press release, “In his role, Tamin will work with Colletti on all contract negotiations and be the chief point person on all arbitration cases. In addition, Tamin will oversee the day-to-day baseball research and operations.”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Bet he could use an assistant

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got his law degree from UCLA.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Dee Gordon got voted NL Rookie of the Month for September

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

awesoke

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey - Dee Gordon beat out Jerry Sands for Rookie of the Month

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn, Jansen and Javy got votes but Sands got none. WTF

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find it hard to believe our Runs leaderboard

1. Kemp—115

2. Ethier—67
3. Loney—56

4. Carroll—52
5. Miles—49
6. Gwynn—37

That’s not a drop-off. That’s a sheer cliff. Kemp for MVP.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Even stranger since someone had to knock in Matt 76 times, and you’d think Matt was driving in Andre all the time.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool, thanks

I’m sure that will amount to all of 5 posts today and then never again, lol.

by Ivdown on Sep 29, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://bit.ly/oHUS23

Lohse, Jackson, Carpenter and Garcia

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Split the first two they have a shot.

by kinbote on Sep 29, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Garcia won’t pitch then :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

As anyone the Phillie pitching is impressive, everyone else not so much.

Pupols
Holliday
Berkman

Even Halladay might have trouble navigating that threesome four times.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s why you just make sure they only get three at-bats :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can anyone figure out why TLR would start EJ in game two over Garcia?

When did Garcia last pitch?

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

others have said that was reason too, though Keith Law disagrees fwiw
keithlaw keithlaw No. Home/road split this year is almost entirely due to BABIP. "dvit6: @keithlaw @OuttaHere22 He’s a much better pitcher at home"

Oh well, I’m sure TLR has reasons…

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by underdog on Sep 29, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better to say a player hit a home run, rather than he "walloped"‘ or "‘blasted"‘ or "cracked" it. Home runs are also homers, but avoid calling them "dingers," "‘jacks," "bombs," "taters" and "four-baggers." Pitchers can pitch two-hitters, but avoid "twirling" or "chucking" or "fireballing." And teams try to reach the World Series instead of the "Fall Classic." In short, avoid hackneyed words and phrases.

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

avoid calling them “dingers,” “‘jacks,” “bombs,” “taters” and “four-baggers.”

Disband the AP.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

couldn't say it any better

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

instead, call homers “circuit clouts”.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I was a boy, we had a little step in the bathroom that allowed us to reach the sink faucet, which had the following poem and matching drawing painted on it.

Wash your hands, neat as a pin.
Circus clowns come marching in.
When you write “circuit clouts”, I flash back to that thing.


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by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

1000th comment trivia

Who is the active leader in Games Played Without A Postseason Appearance?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Adam Dunn

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh, easier than I thought. Bonus points for who is #2?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tim Salmon

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait what year is it!?!

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vernon Wells?

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You dirty dirty cheater.

Who gets to the playoffs first: Vernon Wells or the Toronto Blue Jays?

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

wells

in 2012, sitting on the bench watching trout kick ass

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blame B-Ref

Blue Jays make the playoffs in two years, Angels next year

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bonus question for the old guys

Who is the all time leader?

Hint: 1953-1971, 2528 games, 19 seasons

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

tim salmon

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ernie Banks

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ernie MF Banks never played in the playoffs.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm on board

with New Girl. Pilot was pretty funny, douchebag jar made me laugh every time

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I like it too, but TV is out of control right now

call me old fashioned but this word, “douchebag”, cannot leave the lexicon fast enough

certainly doesn’t belong on network TV

If my 14 year old nephew said it in front of me I would smack his head

The problem is, it is an addicting phrase and if you hear it enough, you will use it. I know I have….

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

whats the preferred nomenclature?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

“bowl of dicks”.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

you’re not helping Dave

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was always surprised back in the day when “scumbag” was widely used, given that it means a used condom.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

had on idea

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The things you learn on TBLA, eh?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some link recently had a crossword puzzle where this clue appeared in the across or down section:

69 The ______ mightier than the sword


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember once a math teacher wrote on the board: The dog pen is 10 feet by 11 feet

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

ditto

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am all for creative and funny ways to call someone a jerk, loser, whatever… I think “Douche” in all forms is a little rough for the 8PM to 10PM slot

but hey, I am also anti-cum joke, so I am not really so fun on this stuff

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

the term douche

and cum jokes are pretty far apart imho.

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

goatfucker

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

doesn't work in context

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

that totally works for me

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is better for your 14 year old nephew?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Banana stand.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

slimeball?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

but thats not funny

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except when said by Ghandi in the movie trailer for Ghandi II

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Asshat

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Heyward available?

From MLB Trade Rumors: the Braves might be open to dealing Heyward.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/braves-notes-heyward-chipper-coaches.html

Might the Dodgers be interested in this? Ethier for Heyward, straight up?

by latenite on Sep 29, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Not a chance they’d accept that.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

we have said that too many times

for me to believe it anymore

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by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

One year of Andre for five years of Heyward?

How about Sands, Mitchell, DeJesus, Lindsey, HOffman, Aussie, Van Slyke, Silverio, Tolleson, Uribe, and Guerrier

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would give all 11 of those guys for Heyward….in a second

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

throw in Sellers, Link, Ely, Gibbons, and Vector

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

everyone but Kemp, Dee, and Kid K

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT VECTOR

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Wren did trade Yunel Escobar for Alex Gonzalez.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

and someone recently traded Rasmus who is comparable to Heyward for a LH relief pitcher and a one year starter.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

sparked a playoff surge :)

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mr. Jay was much better then expected. Unless Rasmus gets going he was more overrated then expected. Same could be true of Heyward, he could simply be Delmon Young.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yunel by the way, the only major league SS with a double digit walk rate

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

So assuming that’s even kinda comparable, Ethier and Kenley?

They can then trade Kenley for Kyle Farnsworth.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then again Alex Gonzalez was playing way over his head at the time.

Honestly if there’s no actual chance we can resign Kemp, Kemp for Heyward.

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve suggested that before, but HJ would kill me if I suggested it again.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes – on the surface it seems absurd – but the Braves will be desperate to put a new face on the team after their monumental collapse. Teams in duress make bad decisions (sometimes). Perhaps Eithier plus other young players (Webster? Lee?) for Heyward.

If not – what sort of a package would the Braves be looking for from any team?

by latenite on Sep 29, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Ned at least explores possibilities with the Braves, the sooner the better! Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

by latenite on Sep 29, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ended up picking the exact same teams in that contest as Gscott and Maddz

by Joey Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone can repick until the deadline.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Screw it they can change theirs ;)

by Joey Joe on Sep 29, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

My first group had who I thought would win, then I said screw it and went with who I want to win every series.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I spent 30 seconds and made rushed, snap decisions.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my model for everything

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll see you at the victory party

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I picked the same teams as GScott?!

That’s embarressing

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soon you will start looking like each other:)

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

They probably already

finish each other’s sentences

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you gonna eat that?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

and be willing to spend seven innings in separate parts of the stadium.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I had written “sections” instead of “parts”, that’s pretty good alliteration / assonance.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terra Nova absolutely blows

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

this is not my shocked face

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even Jerry Seinfeld ripped the Mets

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

“What is the deal with Jose Reyes?”

“Why don’t they call it batball? You use a bat more than you use a base!”

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is pretty good

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had so much other stuff happen yesterday and people still care about that?

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by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

This really doesn't bother me

Plus, I hate Bill Dwyre (as a columnist)

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he retired or was put to pasture

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody really retires there

They just become wirters

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

wirters

Did you mean wethers?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

h ha

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Braun should have hit for a higher average.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy to say with Braun but would you have said that if Matt Kemp was the guy chasing him?

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is an unsavory element and distaste to Reyes sitting out, but I think people are making too big a deal of it.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d care more if Braun had not sat out Monday so he could rest for Tuesday / Wednesday.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it true he bunted for a hit in his one PA before coming out?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, that is the real chicken move. Sit out the whole game and dare Braun to catch you. Or start and come out without batting so the fans can cheer you. But bunt????


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a wether

it might also have been his last game as a Met. The fans booed when he exited.

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by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

really? That’s how you want to celebrate winning the batting title, with boos? And really Mets fans? The first batting title ever in your organization, and you boo?

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

They came to watch him play in his last game with the team, not play for an inning then GTFO.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somehow

This is DePodesta’s fault

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peter Brand’s.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll play this


for Mets fans. You show up for the last game of the season and it means nothing in the standings, you better expect the scrubs. A short day and out for the regulars is the best you can hope for.


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by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave?

The man makes a living by using his speed.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

In what you know is the one PA in your last game of the season and you are the batting champion to be? Take a whack at it!


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about this

Bunting isn’t very successful is it? Otherwise they’d do it all the time. I actually think the idiot took a bigger risk to his avg. by bunting.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to BRef in his career he has attempted 156 bunts, resulting in 128 official at bats, and has collected 62 singles for a .484 batting average.

So no, not an idiot move.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Garvey bunting for a hit not impressive given the 3rd baseman is always playing back but when guys like Reyes and Butler can get bunt hits when the infielder knows they might be bunting. That is some skill.

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dee Gordon needs that skill

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking this up on Baseball-Reference

I found the 62 bunt hits, and I found the 28 sacrifices (difference of 156-128), but where did you see the 156 bunt attempts?

I would look this up on Bill James Online, but apparently my subscription expired.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bunt line says
156 PA
128 AB
62 Hits
62 Singles

That is what I went with.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=reyesjo01&year=Career&t=b

ha ha , One RBI

NO bunt doubles, I bet Gordon has a few of those

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by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dee 7 for 18 so far on bunting for a hit.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how many times

he has tried and fouled it off. Seems like he tries once a game, or used to.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

or like the second Loney bunt attempt in Atlanta, when Loney got two strikes due to bunt attempts, then struck out. Don’t think those count, but I could be wrong.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brett Butler, not surprisingly, hit .486 on bunt attempts from 1988-1997 (bunt tracking goes back to 1988).

He was 42 for 71, hitting .592 on bunt attempts in 1992

No career bunt doubles (or at least 1988-1997) and 7 RBI

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rafael Furcal has 3 career bunt doubles

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

and a lifetime sponsorship from Band-aids brand bandages

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh he won the title fair and square, but as you say it was distasteful. I don’t care about it nearly as much as sportswriters seem to, but it was a notable PR blunder. I always like those.

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt

Plus, factor in it could have been his last game as a Met and is was just dumb.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NL MVP contest

Part of me thinks Braun will win. Ultimately, a lot of their numbers are quite comparable to one another. But one things finally gets me, even if Kemp isn’t a great CF, he is contributing defensively in center field, a position no one would dare dream to play Braun. Braun is a decent LF, but how hard is it be above average in LF when the competition includes the likes of Thames, Gibbons, Rivera, everyone the Giants threw out there, etc.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

The offside argument no one likes is that Braun helped lead the charge to hunt down the Cardinals so every game was important until they had the comfortable lead.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah but Kemp did his job while on a team that was terrible and offered no protection in the lineup. I’d say it’s harder to show up every day and work your ass of when your team isn’t good then when everyone else around you is working their ass off and there are results.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Braun did it in a pennant chase but it was easier to stay focused, Kemp’s played many meaningless games but where it could be hard to stay focused.

No one know if any of that matters. I think we all agree that CF defense is more important than LF defense. It’s why we sing the praises of Willie, Mickey and the Duke.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Defense meant dick in the MVP voting in the last 44 years someone forgot to tell the writers.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s wirters

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Jimmy Rollins wins his without being a SS.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Ryan Braun was gone the Brewers would have had to give 150 starts to Carlos Gomez. If that’s not valuable I don’t know what is.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t have had to give 150 starts to Tony Gwynn Junior who is basically the left handed version of that player?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could have started TO.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean TOO

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s the poor man’s Ethier; it would have worked out.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Uncle) Google wins again

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha

that is amazing

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whitest black man I've ever seen

And I remember Watermelon Man

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that on TV in the mid-70s. Shocked the hell out of me. Funny but flawed, I recall vaguely.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

there’s a moment in Mad Men where they’re at a Kentucky Derby party, and one of the partners since “My Old Kentucky Home” wearing blackface, and singing the original lyrics: “it’s summer, and the darkies are gay”

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where Don meets Conrad Hilton

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to it.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOOM

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha

When did Dee get so good looking

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

HITNG?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw the word "judge" on Twitter and looked at it funny

and immediately thought to just how dumb Paul Oberjuerge’s column on Matt Kemp was in 2009. And to think, he wrote that in 2009, when Kemp had a great year!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

based on what Kemp did in 2011 you could write a book about the stupid things I probably said about him over his career.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

FTFY
you could write a book about the stupid things I probably said about him over his career.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

;)

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah, you didn’t have to add the smiley face, I know you meant it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

<3

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

composed of multiple volumes?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You post over seven years, stupid things get said. I’ll only say I think most of stupid comments are comments and not columns. Though saying Martin in 2008 was about to become a MVP candidate for the next decade kind of stands out.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t blame you for that. Martin’s collapse was…well it was something.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt

the number of volumes in my collection is shorter only due to time.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I told someone at a Dodger game

“there goes Russel Martin, he’s the real deal, our next hall of famer”

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

7 years?

Good god, I was young 7 years ago!!!

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 29, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell, I’ve said dumb stuff today.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dude was a young offensive and defensive catcher in an era lacking catchers. Wasn’t that hard to believe.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

An article on dumb outs on the basepaths

with no mention of The Riot

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a reason I called him uber-jerky.

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

stop it

your making me hungry

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

To the Overlords & Editors of TBLA

Great job this year, guys. Thanks.

(and it helps to have denizens who are the some of the wackiest, funniest, and smartest folk too :))

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Sep 29, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Without the denizens of the deep this would just be an echo chamber.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hook a brotha up with a fresh thread, E.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 5:43 PM PDT reply actions  

there will be one in a few minutes

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Picking the Redskins makes me more comfortable than picking the Eagles, Bears or Packers this week, but I’m sure it’ll be my downfall.

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2011 5:44 PM PDT reply actions  

its ok

sexy rexy gonna unleash the dragon

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to be the only one using the “pick the unsexiest game possible” strategy. Like, if there was a game going untelevised, and played at midnight, in the snow, that would be the game I’d want to pick

by Josie Becker on Sep 29, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to MLB

Matt Moore is starting Game 1 for the Rays

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2011 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

wow

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Sep 29, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck and we’re all counting on you.

What a spot for Moore. Looking forward to it.

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