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Systemic Incompetence

Somber thoughts for the best home grown positional Dodger since the turn of the century.  (Photo by Joe Murphy/Getty Images)


was my thought of the day this past labor day weekend.  It took back to back years of putridity, combined with the ex Yankee Legend having James Loney bunting over the weekend to blow my mind from Dodger Blue to RED. A season worth of questionable moves and non moves,  this latest was the tipping point. The majority of fans will correctly say no big deal, no need to get your undies in a bunch. Who really cares if the strategist asked the hottest hitter on the team to bunt? Who cares that if the strategy worked to perfection the MVP of baseball would have gotten  walked, leaving it up Juan Rivera to cash in the chips against a RHP with two outs and bases loaded instead of facing a one out 1st/2nd situation and swinging away. The same Juan Rivera who has a career .647 OPS against RHP. Let's not even mention the fact that Loney is not very adept at bunting. What could go wrong with that?

Shockingly only to the ex-Yankee Legend and his bench coach the strategy failed, Loney did not get the bunt down, and with two strikes down was easy prey for the second out.

In a season in which we have been closer to last place then first place this should hardly register.  In a world getting pummeled with destruction this should be the farthest thing from my mind, yet my mind couldn't deal with it, the rational part gave way to spasms of anger that so far this year I've managed to keep in check.  The team was hot, everything was going right,  for two weeks it was fun to be a Dodger fan again, and yet the moment James Loney was asked to bunt and failed I knew this was the end of the briefest of those good times.  Like a cat trying to rid itself of the insidious hair that tormented  it's bowels, I hacked up a hairball whose name was Systemic Incompetence and it had all of the Dodger Organization written on it whose sir name did not start with a K or whose legendary voice is the only reason many fans are still fans.

I'd had it from top to bottom

With the Carpet bagging owners who brought shame and ridicule to this great franchise, who instead of going gracefully in to the good night will drag this out so that the 2012 season will be in doubt ,and the jewel of the franchise will take his talents elsewhere where owners work in the background, and the team is not a permanent member of the Comedy Channel hit list.

With the Ex-Giant bureaucrat masquerading as the Dodger GM who wouldn't know proper PR spin if it smacked him in the face, who has done wonders squandering the few resources the Carpet Baggers had given him. Building an infrastructure immune from the world of sabremetric analysis that only a fool who coined the name "Google Boy" for Depodesta could be proud of. 

With the Ex-Yankee Legends parading around the Los Angeles Dodger dugout as managers while our Dodger legend coach's 1st base.  One who believes that Runs Scored is the best stat to use when analyzing the productiveness of a major league hitter. Really!!!! Runs Scored.

With the exalted Scouting Director who seems to still be living off  his brilliant draft eight years ago as the fans patiently wait for the next positional prospect to show up since that 2003 draft. One who isn't found so full of holes they are traded away for others teams prospects. Anyone can build a AA roster full of 24 / 25 year old outfielders who swat their way to the leaderboards, but it is another to actually find a player good enough to start and produce in the major leagues on a consistent level. The Dodgers have done a fine job of finding relief pitchers, fourth outfielders, spare infielders, and backup catchers since the 2003 draft but that is hardly how you build a winning team. Just like Ned who had Manny fall in his lap so did Kershaw fall into Logan's lap.  I'm much more interested in what he does when he does not have a top 10 pick.

With the scouts who signed off on the Adkins, Mattingly's, while ignoring the Stantons in their own backyard.

With the marketing department who have managed to ignore the two greatest players the Dodgers have had on their team in a decade while promoting "Hope is in the Air" when the only fragrance found at Chavez Ravine is the rotting stench of a once proud franchise struggling to perform while the owner does everything possible to keep the franchise from getting back on track after he derailed her.

With the Chavez Ravine operations manager who failed at crowd security not because of Mr. Stow but because of the degradation of the Chavez Ravine fan experience until the Mr. Stow incident put the fan experience on the hot seat.

With the all-star Dodgers who seem to use the All-Star game as the trigger for disappointment from Martin to Andre to Broxton to Kuo to Penny to Chad. Thank God for the K squad whose talents supersede the negative pull of being an All-Star Dodger.

With the training staff who can't diagnose a sports hernia? You'd kind of think that would be something they would be experts in. Wouldn't you?

With a radio team of Stiener / Monday and a TV team of clueless and Lyons.  I'm probably in the minority in that I like to enjoy broadcasts, not wince and turn into Charles LaRousse Dreyfus every time I watch or listen to a Vinnie less game

Granted systemic incompetence is hyperbolic overkill hardly worthy of anyone's time and those who have read this far are contemplating counterpoints with everyone of my irritations.  If someone else had written this tirade I certainly would be in full defense mode. I suspect Craig and Craig have probably already started. 

Yet I think my irritations are shared by some as I feel we are going to squander the unique greatness of Kemp and Kershaw just as the Giants squandered the Bonds years because they never built a proper team around him.

I know everyone in the organization is working hard under incredibly tough circumstances but lets not equate trying with competence.. The money was there,  it was spent poorly and if you try to build a functional team in 2012 / 2013 you would realize how much the money spent in 2011 is going to hamstring the team in 2012 / 2013.

What are you going to do, you can't stop being a fan?  though it appears thousands have

Not me, but I also don't want to become that "guy" that kicks a franchise when they are on the ropes.  This will be a single shot that may or may not have hit the mark,  the six gun will be holstered with five shots still left because I can't be a fan and handle the truth. I'd rather believe that Dee Gordon is more then just flash, that Sands will make the Keith Laws wince with pain with every hit, that the fans don't desert the franchise in such record numbers this fall that the embattled owner will be forced to cut payroll, that our GM really does know how to build a team, that our version of Willie Mays will indeed decide to spend his whole career with one team, that our newest Koufax will never see Dr. Andrews, that Andre is simply in a 1, 000 at bat funk, that Loney is out of his three year funk, that our owner realizes that owning the Los Angeles Dodgers is not just a business proposition but a responsibility , and most of all that Vinny gets to hear sold out crowds once again.

Hope will have to trump rationality,  or maybe in my case, irrationality.

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I'm not sure what this part even means?
I suspect Craig and Craig have probably already started.

But I appreciate your passion and share your frustration in a lot of ways. I don’t know if I agree with how widespread and systemic it is, I think some of that belief comes from an understandable frustration with mistakes made all around but not all of them are connected. They have definitely done their share of draft goofups — as great as Logan White’s reputation often is it’s important to point these out; as you yourself have done many times, they have especially squandered 2nd picks (supplemental or 2nd round) to a wasteful degree. Obviously they’ve hit on their fair share as well. A lot of the problems really do start at the top, in both official ways and more in leadership/figurehead/psychological ways, and they have not really had that from ownership in a long time. We’ve had Fox, followed by McCourt, and they both have brought their own brand of mess to the storied franchise. It all really starts there.

All the other people under them, some of have succeeded despite that, some have failed, some (like, I’d argue, Colletti) have had their share of good actions and just as many, too many, mistakes, but it all starts at the top.

Given all that, the team still has some hope for the future, in the prospect talent, in some players they obviously have currently, and in what is generally a good coaching staff (despite their idiotic moments). But I too worry about losing Kemp and Kershaw down the road. They need resolution to ownership, something solid, solvent, and passionate about the Dodgers and the fanbase, before we can start feeling optimistic again.

Also, when you say this, I know what you mean:
“What are you going to do, you can’t stop being a fan? though it appears thousands have”
but I don’t think the “thousands” is all that quantifiable nor really accurate. Fans boycotting games because they can’t stand McCourt is different than fans that have permanently abandoned ship. Maybe there are a few who have said forget it, I’m going to be a Rangers fan now or something, but I suspect when some of the stuff mentioned above gets fixed, when ownership is transitioned to something that once and for all gives a passionate fan like yourself confidence that failure at the top can be a thing of the past, those thousands will be back happily.

Thanks for your passion.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Historically I think you and Craig defend management the quickest, so it was simply my reasoning that a valid retort was already forming within you as you read the tirade.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Still, I’m not sure how fair that is. I have ripped McCourt all season, have frequently said Colletti’s track record is spotty at best (though I have tried to be fair, yes), and while I like Mattingly, I too have ripped some of his moves this week (like the Loney bunt nonsense). I feel like you have this categorization of people that isn’t always based on careful reading of all their comments - not that I expect you to read all my comments of course, there are quite a few of them and many are pointless. ;) But anyway, I get you.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn cross out

reading all of their comments, not that I expect you to read all my comments of course, there are quite a few of them and many are pointless. ;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I found that frustrating because I want to like and support a rant like this

but was immediately designated as someone who would be on an opposing side, even if there’s a compliment in there, too. Maybe I’m just taking it too personally but you can make your case on a broader level, as I think you do, without bringing any of us commenters into it, y’know? Anyway, thanks for listening.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

taking it too personally I think. I took it as a compliment that you could take a passionate rant and build rational points from it.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, that was my read too

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should know by now I read every comment that is not a subthread of something I know nothing about, and since I’m talking directly to TBLA readers not Dodger fans I feel I can get personal in my writing but your point is valid. Most of my writing is simply a regurgitation of my thoughts without a good editor to remove those pesky things that get in the way of proper writing.

Anyway as I was writing, I couldn’t help but think Craig N Craig are going to beat the shit out of this since it is so full of grandiose paint brushing, so that thought made the cut.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with things getting on a personal level

Especially since most of us are friendly with each other (most of the time). I think it brings a nice attitude to the blog.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha okay I do take that as a compliment :)

Though I really think a rant like this has its place and wouldn’t want to dissect it in a way that takes away from the passion. I also have too much copy-editing to do for $ today. ;)

Most of my wrath is still aimed at ownership and also tge hypocritical league for letting it happen, a little less (but still some) at Colletti and White, and even less at coaches like Donnie who I think was dealt a crap hand this year and is still learning on the job (even if that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t question dumb strategic moves when they occur). That’s about all I have to add.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 10:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

speaking of copy-editing, excuse any typos. The price of using one's tiny phone to type.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need either a drink or hug after reading all that

Nice rant Phil, very Howard Beale-ian.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

hug a beer

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

but never hug a bear.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

beer hugs > bear hugs

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

bears look awfully hug-able though

really, they are tops of the list for me of animals that I would like to hug but might eat me for the pleasure

Bengal Tigers second

Wolves to show

Lions – just out of the money

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

these raccoons in my back yard also look adorable…..

by delias man on Sep 6, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, would like to give a raccoon some scratches behind the ears

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

or smile

at a crocodile

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t spit into the wind

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't whiz on

the electric fence

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t lick the frozen pole

just don’t lick poles at all

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t take any wooden nickels

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t look a gift horse in the mouth

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t go breakin’ my heart

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t stop believin’

and don’t mess around with Jim

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't you

forget about me

don’t
don’t
don’t
don’t

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t pull on superman’s cape

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

So why don’t you go to a game at Dodger Stadium, use the TBLA press credentials, and ask Mattingly a pointed question or two?

by berkowit28 on Sep 6, 2011 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

You’d get at most a non answer and never spoken to again.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

The kicker about the Loney bunt

is that Loney got the bunt down as planned, Kemp got walked, Rivera failed, and he did it again. I can see a "shit I didn’t think of that’ situation when they walk Kemp, but you can’t be happy about your best hitter not getting a chance.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:24 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Like I was saying on Sunday I was shocked that Loney only bunted four times this season because it felt like he bunted at least four times this weekend.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t complain too hard about any of the Loney bunts without knowing what the likely run expectancies were Bunt attempt vs No Bunt attempt. My guess is that given the choice between…

Successful sac bunt, Kemp walks
vs
Loney hit away

Not knowing who the two hitters were you’d expect to score more runs in the bases loaded and one out than first and second with no outs (but it’s close 1.65 vs 1.573). Taking the bat out of Kemp’s hands and putting it into someone like Rivera’s hands likely evens this out (I’m too lazy to figure it out right now).

Of course this is baseball and there are plenty of other possible outcomes, like bunting in to a double play, bunting for a hit, reaching on an error, bunting for an out, striking out etc…

I don’t know the answer but of course would be frustrated any time Matt Kemp got the bat taken out of his hands via a managerial decision. But my greatest frustration would rest with the player for not being able to bunt. You are a major league player, you should be able to know how to bunt unless you are a studly cleanup hitter.

by Xeifrank on Sep 6, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

bunting is difficult as is, against the best pitchers in the world it’s damn near impossible unless you’ve been trained and practiced how to do it properly. Sac bunts are no joke.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

“fucking hard”

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

thank you

bunting as a skill is perpetually and universally under estimated, when the pitcher sees you squaring away, he now throws in a manner than makes it tougher to get it down. Pitchers want you to pop it up or miss it or hit it foul

When I tell people that it is difficult I get looks like I am a drunk monkey loving fool

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

i was trained since high school that if the guy squares, to take the hair off his knuckles. It’s no easy task. That’s why the ball Loney got to bunt was up at his letters.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I expect professional hitters who have had to bunt most of their career being able to do so, I do not expect those who never have to be successful at it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s fair, but even then I don’t expect a 100% success like it is a given, even if in the moment I expect 100% success like it is a given

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody is saying 100%. But some are saying damn near impossible, which would be less than 1% in my books.

by Xeifrank on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

nah, not less than 1%, but low enough that you shouldn’t be surprised when they fail.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is damn near impossible to get hyperbole by this bunch

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

the strategy is on Donnie, but so is the failed execution not Loney’s fault.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

they can't all be

Brett Butler

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

What percent of MLB (non pitcher) sac bunts are successful? fucking hard percent? That doesn’t compute with me.

by Xeifrank on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

i’s bet with total certainty that the success rate is less than a coin flip.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

have to break it down even more, how many are successful when attempted by someone who does it less then five times a year?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know the total number is 60% of it is a sacrifice, 30% fails, 10% you get lucky and get a hit out of it.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.
I’m sure there are some other things mixed in with that distribution of possible outcomes.

by Xeifrank on Sep 6, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

This was great

Very well put. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that mad about all the damn Loney bunts and attempted bunts. Absolutely ridiculous. You hit the nail on the head with everything you said here. If money is going to be spent, spend a little bit more and get a good player, not an ok player for a bunch of money anyway. Kemp and Kershaw need help, and it’s clear Ethier isn’t the guy he was, Loney still seems he can only be around average at best at a position where that’s not good enough, and, shockingly, a LF platoon doesn’t equal a winning plan.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

a LF platoon isn't a terrible idea

when you have guys who can actually play

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could very well be wrong, but how many successful platoons are there really? The idea is a novel concept, but I haven’t seen it pulled off very well. Most definitely not with the crap that was shoveled out in LF minus Gwynn and Rivera (though he’s getting worse).

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

not saying it’s a good idea either

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

you need people who are very good at one thing but piss poor at the opposite so they aren’t too expensive, and a guy who is the opposite. The hard part is completing the platoon with guys who are too good at their specialty to be bench guys, but not good enough at hitting the same-handed pitching to demand big bucks and/or a full time starting position on another team. Oh, and they both also have to be just average, probably below average defensively so they don’t get extra money that way. Finding two guys who deserve to start when it suits them best, but who aren’t good enough to start all the time is difficult.

Unless you want to see what Sands/Russell looks like, and I know you do.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s crazy, we should totally go with Sands/Hinske :)

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

He looked like crap against us, or I would’ve probably said this in the $100mil payroll game.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are we gonna get more than that this year, because “I DFA Loney and Kuo then sign Eric Hinske welp guess I’m out of money” is gonna get boring really fast.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

as a meme?

or an actuality?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phil did a “Build the 2011 Dodgers with a $100mil payroll” thread before this season.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah yes, i remember

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait until I do the 2012 version with 75 Million, including the 22 Million on the books in 2012 for players no longer on the team, and 25 Million already allocated to Uribe/Guerrier/Lilly. Fun times

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m trading for Vernon Wells.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point, with the regression that was due to come to Rivera (my hopeful nature blinded me)

I’d probly be thrilled to see a Sands/Russell platoon and see if they could combined set the strike out record, hahaha.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

we'd be seeing more Russell

than Sands

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that's a problem? :)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

ask everyone

who is not still one the Russell bandwagon

(you know, everyone but you and I)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we could be really good if we find platoon partners for Songco and Russell.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Songco’s platoon partner should be O’Koyea :)

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Deal :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

then, SONCOOO’YEAAAAA will be prophetic :)

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

i wonder where the two of them will be next year.

My guess is Songco goes to AA. I’m wondering if O’Koyea goes to the Loons or the Quakes

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would love to see him hit in Rancho. I’d head out for a couple of those games for sure.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

that being said, there’s no way to tell as I think they do promotions on an individual basis rather than a system since Landry and lemmerman had similar offensive years, but Lemmerman went to Rancho and then Chattanooga and Landry went to Lo-A, though that could be a product of the glut of OF prospects in the system.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also wonder

if Chris Jacobs might get promoted based on his age.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jacobs is a ladder climber who will do one rung at a time. Doubtful he would skip the Cal League. I’m just glad he will finally get out of the MWL. Kyle Orr didn’t even make it that far.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

he’s having a 900+ OPS season in one of the best pitcher’s parks in the Midwest League. I imagine he’ll get promoted for that, but it’ll probably just be to Rancho.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's what I mean

which opens up the first base job on the Loons for OK

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I imagine Van Slyke being promoted to AAA or MLB potentially, with Songco playing 1B in AA, Jacobs in Hi-A, Dickson in Lo-A. Barring injuries and trades, of course.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

this is my thinking as well

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only all of them?

I’m sure they will be on board when Rivera stops hitting altogether, lol.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love platoons.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

they are lovely to contemplate, they are the baseball equivalent to 1 + 1 = 5

not always easy to get right, most of the time they are compromises made out of necessity rather than design

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

wasn't one of those championship Oriole teams

successful with platoons?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Earl Weaver did it right

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

still kills me

watching his famous dust-up with that umpire.

“You touch me again and I’ll knock you right in the nose!”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Their 1B platoon of Eddie Murray RHH and Eddie Murray LHH was awesome.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is a first… Gary talking early 80’s with authority!

by delias man on Sep 6, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rare to find the switch hitter who is a real switch hitter.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

we'll never find one

Ned keeps trading ours

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mantle, Eddie, Chipper, help.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lance Berkman
Reggie Smith
Mark Teixeira

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aaron MF Miles

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn near identical against lefties and righties.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

crap is crap

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ken Singleton
Tim Raines
Bobby Bonilla
Victor Martinez
Jorge Posada
Mickey Tettleton

a few catchers it seems

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Beltran
Roy White
PETE ROSE

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pete Rose never happened.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roberto Alomar
Bernie Williams
and another catcher – Ted Simmons

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess, not so rare as I thought

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

hitters with 1000 ABs from each side with a .800+ OPS on both sides? is that even searchable?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I went with 1,000 games, OPS+ over 110, because I figure you have to be a good hitter from both sides to keep that career OPS+ that high. Once you get the top 20 then easier to look at the splits to see just how they handled the switch.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like Chipper Jones to play 1B for the 2012 dodgers in that case.

by delias man on Sep 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chipper will die a Brave

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you planning something?

;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

(swipes nose)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love seeing the switch hitters who can't hit for shit on one side

Yet they still switch hit anyway.

If they just hit from the side they are good on would they be worse on the original side against the other handed pitcher?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dre just needs to learn to hit right-handed in the offseason. Briliant!

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mariano Duncan

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

like Randy Winn

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

WGT

I actually expect Managers to make stupid moves throughout a year. I like that this team has played hard throughout a dismal year and that Mattingly seems to have done a good job of keeping the majority of the team on the same page. This has been a horrible season, but the team was one bat (or Loney getting hot early) away from being in contention. Ill just continue to hope for an ownership change sooner than later.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 6, 2011 9:30 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

He seems to have the respect of the players, but let me tell you, you lose that REAL fast the SECOND you get the feeling he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I’m sure we’ve all experienced that in our work lives, but it’s even greater in a sports atmosphere where the worker’s performance is laid out on natioal televsion.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m much more interested in what he does when he does not have a top 10 pick.

We’ve seen this, we give a record signing bonus to a guy who had a worse year than someone who got traded for Wilson Betemit.

I really wish I never found that out.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

He hardly had a bad year, though.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t that good either. Super prospects shouldn’t be in the middle of the pack at A ball.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

the fact that he went to A ball out of high school is impressive in itself. Let the kid have more than a 109 A ball innings before passing judgment. His ERA was fine, his K:BB was good, FIP was middle of the pack, sure, but he was something like the 10th youngest player in the league.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

But even when you compare him to the other 19 year olds he comes up in the middle.

I’m not saying he’s terrible or anything but him becoming a top of the rotation kinda guy doesn’t look to promising.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not impressed with his numbers either. But I like his mechanics and love his stuff and he had his season stalled in the middle with a minor injury, so I’m willing to keep watching.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fingers crossed, but it does seem like (and I don’t have any actual way to back this up) pitchers are way less likely to make huge improvements all of a sudden than hitters

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 6, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree. stuff is stuff. it’s generally the hitters that have to keep making adjustments. Pitchers can add velocity or control just by playing more, but it’s far more diffficult to make an adjustment as a hitter than as a pitcher.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

If lee doesn’t turn out to be legit, Logan needs to answer for that.

by Michael White on Sep 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I imagine he will, with his job. He’ll then be hired by someone else for the same position or get a promotion, and we’ll hire someone else’s scouting director or lead scout who has made equally poor choices.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

more of the same I guess

oh well. in the spirit of Phils post I would fire him, Ned and mattingly anyway. Burn it down !

by Michael White on Sep 6, 2011 10:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I told Mad this, based on how much the players work for him and like him, Donnie should end up as one of the better AL managers. NL, I think since he didn’t play in the NL, it’ll take awhile for him to be able to manage in the NL.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

His bench coach is a AL manager.

Who bunts so that the base is left open to walk the MVP? Who the FUCK does that?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

AL MVPs who never had to think once about small ball and hw it actually works.

You want to hire a name guy who knows the game and people love? Hire Barry Larkin.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am leaning toward the burn it down camp as well, only I just don’t see the point of doing anything until ownership gets resolved.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

 (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

by nolander on Sep 6, 2011 10:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Damn...

"We're the best in the west and the west is ours!"
- Good Time Boys

by funkyjam on Sep 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Phil

Granted I tend to be an eternal pessimist (especially dealing with with a fool like McCourt) ,but to my ears that rant was pure poetry. It was “Howl” for baseball fans.
….I have seen the best sports team of my dreams dragged into irrelevancy by the an owner straight out of “Bonfire of the Vanities” and a GM who ’s stuck on stupid…
Great work, Brother Phil

by preacher roe on Sep 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I like the analogy – it did have a poetic outrage to it. Not unlike the feeling Ginsburg had about his mother being defiled and labeled crazy by the society that broke her

Phil = Ginsburg
Eric – Kerouac
Fill in the rest as long as I get to be Gary Snyder, that dude is my idol

For the record, I strive to be the eternal pragmatist

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hope is in the hair!

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 6, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

flagged

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frank looks 20 pounds lighter in that picture, but his hair these days is fantastic!

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flagged

For showing the photo of that ridiculous buffoon and McCourt.

by The Dude Abides on Sep 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Take it to the Ned Thread :)

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric – should Zach Lee’s 5 Million bonus that is spread out over five years be counted against payroll?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

different budgets

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ned has went on record that he decides the draft pudget.

by Tripon on Sep 6, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

he’s the General Manager, of course he does. It’s still a different budget between Major League payroll and Scouting

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

What Gary said.

I would count it if it was a salary spread over a major league deal.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

The TBLA top prospect vote is going to be interesting for me

I’m only passionate about four or so prospects, and the rest all have glaring warts that are enough for me to not invest emotion in them.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

SONGCOooooooooooooooooo

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha, yeah he's one of em

but I’m passionate about him for being a local guy, not just for the season he’s had.

I think I can lilmit the number of prospects I’m passionate about to Webster, Lee, Dickson, Songco, for varying reasons. The rest I’m exceptionally BLAH on, though that doesn’t mean those four are my top 4 or in that order.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

My wagon is hitched to the O’K horse, and I like Songco but mostly because it would be awesome to have a Pinoy power hitter playing in Los Angeles. I dig the pitching in the system, and hold out hope for the Sandman. I know that Van Slyke was old for his league, but I can’t help but be very impressed by the season he put up.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 6, 2011 10:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

We are all wondering where Kyle Russell will place

1 or just makes the majors and we won’t even have to worry about rankings ;)

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Dee, Rubby, Jansen, Eovaldi, Sands, Javy, Sellers(ha ha), losing rookie status it would appear to be between the likes of
Webster, Withrow, Lee, Gould, Reed
then the Raptor kids and maybe Garcia who struggled but still accomplished a lot given his age in that league.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baldwin, Pederson, Okoyea,

Will be guys who might get in the top 10. Also, Griff.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frodo before Griff

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which one is frodo?

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

FedEx

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

and their GD Pumped Up Kicks

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention

their Zima, hula hoops, and pac-man video games

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zima seems like a Phil drink.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

was it not the predecessor to the Mike’s Hard Lemonade’s?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s why I said that :)

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love me some Mike's Hard Lemonade

But I wasn’t sure if I should drink some at the game because there were people watching, lol.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, Madeleine and I brought margaritas. You’d have been fine.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn! lol

Next time.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

Van Slyke should be a top 10 prospect after this year as well

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Van Slyke

from the press release from the Lookouts:

Since 1976, Van Slyke is the 14th (!!) Lookout in 36 years to lead the Southern League in batting average.
Van Slyke hit .430 in August/September
SVS’s 45 doubles were two shy of the Southern League record, shared by Gabe Kapler and Robert Fick
The most ever doubles by a Lookout was 46, by Joey Votto in 2006, the same year he won the batting title at .319 (the last Lookout to win the batting title)

Alfredo Silverio set a modern-era (1976-present) Lookouts record with 18 triples, breaking the mark of 15 set by Ivan Calderon in 1983. The Southern League record for triples in a season is 19, by Alan Trammell

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

SVS sounds like a 24 hour convenience store

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, those are all major leaguers, every damn one of them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's so awesome for both of them.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

any chance

we see Silverio up this month as well?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

on Milb.tv for the playoffs

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm talking after that

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine not, but could be wrong. Him not being on the 40 man and not needing to be added yet, with no guarantee of innings kind of makes it pointless IMO

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Silverio does need to be added this November FWIW

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

aww crap.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

my the time we get to SF

he’ll get plenty of time to play :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's a ton of batting champs for one team

it’s only a 10-team league, but still…

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Sep 6, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

DH tomorrow?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

or Thursday. Not sure. Maybe they try for a DH Wednesday, and if that fails, they try again Thursday.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wednesday ranges from 50-60% chance of rain before, during, and after the game.

Pretty much the same, even up to 70%, on Thursday, at least through 1pm (the farthest out Weather.com goes hour by hour)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

rain is one thing, but those are the same thunderstorms that killed Alexander Hamilton when he tied his key to that lightning rod.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Always has been a burr in my side.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Checkmate.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um, is that from one of those Funny or Die Drunken History videos?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 6, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

i just made it up to be funny, but i guess it’s similar

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

back to switch hitters


Amazing the spread between Mickey Mantle and the second best switch hitter of all time:

                                                                                                   
Rk Player WAR/pos From To PA 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Mickey Mantle 120.2 1951 1968 9909 344 72 536 1733 126 1710 .298 .421 .557 .977 *8397/645
2 Chipper Jones 82.3 1993 2011 10074 519 38 451 1449 170 1339 .305 .403 .533 .936 *57/6D9
3 Pete Rose 75.3 1963 1986 15861 746 135 160 1566 167 1143 .303 .375 .409 .784 37549/8
4 Frankie Frisch 74.8 1919 1937 10100 466 138 105 728 0 272 .316 .369 .432 .801 *45/6
5 Eddie Murray 66.7 1977 1997 12817 560 35 504 1333 222 1516 .287 .359 .476 .836 *3D/57
6 Tim Raines 64.6 1979 2002 10359 430 113 170 1330 148 966 .294 .385 .425 .810 *78D/49
7 Ozzie Smith 64.6 1978 1996 10778 402 69 28 1072 79 589 .262 .337 .328 .666 *6
8 Roberto Alomar 63.5 1988 2004 10400 504 80 210 1032 62 1140 .300 .371 .443 .814 *4/D6
9 Reggie Smith 63.4 1966 1982 8050 363 57 314 890 115 1030 .287 .366 .489 .855 983/5D47
10 Carlos Beltran 60.3 1998 2011 7643 384 73 297 824 76 1203 .283 .361 .495 .856 *89/D7
11 Max Carey 50.6 1910 1929 10770 419 159 70 1040 0 695 .285 .361 .386 .747 *879
12 Ted Simmons 50.4 1968 1988 9685 483 47 248 855 188 694 .285 .348 .437 .785 *2D3/759

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/6/2011.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I wish I would have seen young Mickey Mantle play.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish I could have had a night on the town with young Mick.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone of us could hang with Mick, Billy Martin, and Whitey Ford

by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

This would be true, but we have a Marty.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wonder how many men are still alive who had their ass kicked by Billy Martin.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have done my best and been proud of it

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 6, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw old Mickey play on GOTW, lasting memory, thank you Denny McLain

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 6, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

me no speak internet talk

:(

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

too long, did not read.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 6, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah man, I was gonna be a real jerk and link to this. Oh wait, I did anyway.

by fbihop on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

fbihop

should have put j/k, lol

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

omg, u mad?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 6, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic take Phil

Have the Dodgers really descended from highly-respected org to mediocrity or worse from top to bottom? You may be right.

One minor thing: I think the price we pay for keeping Vin and his reduced schedule is that we have to put with a crummy duo like Collins and Lyons for the road games Vin does not cover. What quality announcer is going to take on that part-time job? (That said, Ken Levine or Josh Suchon, both of whom applied for what became Collins’ job, would likely be better than Collins.)


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 6, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

One of the best posts I've read on TBLA

because it smacks the truth right in the face. Thank you Phil. I couldn’t have said it as well as you. Just spot on.

I still watch every Dodger game but I got so discouraged I abandoned the best Dodger blog on the net. What pissed me off, got me gritting my teeth, and raised my blood pressure? The sheer incompetence of Dodger FO (and owner?) during the trading deadline. I looked at the 40 man roster, scoured our pitching rich farm system and waited to get a top prospect or two. Maybe a young current MLB player under team control. I suggested on this site to trade or package Billingsley and it wasn’t very popular. Billingsley keeps losing his worth each year. I also wanted Ethier gone. This was the time to do it!

The bottom line is the Dodgers really sat on their hands when this trade deadline was a real opportunity to improve. This team has no future in 2012 and most likely 2013 so why not clean house and get something in return?

by RoyaleWithCheeze on Sep 6, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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SP 44
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$115,942,869

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Current 40-man roster count: 42
(incl. De La Rosa & Hawksworth)

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Manager

Eric___ned___reporters_2011_trade_deadline_small Eric Stephen

Editors

100_1427_small Phil Gurnee

Dgy_small David Young

Hanauma_bay_small Chad Moriyama

2501_small Michael White

Raptors_small Brandon Lennox

Img_0103_small CraigMinami