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•Friday, September 16 is singles night at Dodger Stadium, and I’m not talking about a tribute to Jamey Carroll

by keithc13 on Sep 7, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe David and I should leave the wife’s at home:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where are they going to find such a large glass bowl for all the keychains?

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

They didn’t say 70’s married couple night

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a good thing I didn’t live during those times.

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

or better yet, they should leave YOU TWO at home! :)

by Xeifrank on Sep 7, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

aint no party like a stadium party

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or

How We Plan on Keeping Kemp in LA

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m all for any promotion that opens up so many joke opportunities.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait for Dodger stadium ushers to be replaced by Salvation Army bell ringers.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

first 2,000 fans to Saturday’s Lookouts playoff game receive a Kazoo. Fuck pitching o kazoo giveaway night.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kazoo:baseball::Vuvuzuela:soccer

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

solid work

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

just thinking that

both are annoying as hell

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phil + Meercat = Kazoo + Vuvuzuela

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vuvuzuela = What it’s called when Fernando is playing one

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

at least it’s 2,000 not 90,000

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep. Stadium only holds 6,412.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

going to this game with my gf

totally screwed this up!

I think its also star wars night?

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 7, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit it is. You can’t write stuff this good.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

oooooooooh

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is funny

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

it was going to be Homer night but they look at the rotation and Lilly wasn’t scheduled to pitch

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

literary comedy is the best kind

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Selig is clearly the Cyclops.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frank cannot be Odysseus, because as Kirk Douglas proved, Odysseus is the shit

We (the fans) are Odysseus and we find ourselves on this rosy fingered dawn still a long, long, way from home

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Leopold Bloom as Ulysses is one thing, Frank McCourt quite another. Not possible, not even as a bathetic exemplar. We the fans, yes. It catches the mood – good, HJ.

by berkowit28 on Sep 7, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cal State education in action!

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Delias asked about Sellers defense:
This was the Baseball HQ scouting report when he was brought up on Aug 12th:

Justin Sellers (SS, LAD)
To replace Dee Gordon on the active roster, the Dodgers selected the contract of the 25-year-old Sellers from Triple-A. Acquired from the Athletics in April ‘09, Sellers has broken out in the power department the last two seasons. Widely regarded as a light-hitting middle infielder, the right-handed hitter has hit 14 HR in both ’10 and ’11. He has a slight frame – 5’10 160 pounds – and consistently makes contact with a short, quick swing. He has a solid understanding of the strike zone and has a selective eye at the plate. Sellers offers defensive versatility in his ability to play the outfield corners and the middle infield. He has quick, soft hands and excellent range. He is a career .268/.356/.390 hitter in the minors. He was originally a 6th round selection in the ’05 draft.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Kind of cool we bought him for cash. How many minor leaguers have ever been purchased with cash and ended up having a major league career. I’d expect Sellers from this point on at least being a utility guy for the next five years.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

ned doing good work

with little money, again. Maybe the impending payroll reduction is a blessing in disguise.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should only deal with the A’s

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

joke used to be that if Billy Beane called you, hang up. Maybe that only applies to everyone but Ned Colletti.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was always a bad joke, Mr Beane has made more bad trades then good ones. An outfield of Cargo / Nelson Cruz / Andre Ethier

would sure beat Milton Bradley / Kieth Ginter / Michael Taylor

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

he shouldn't hang up

after he gets the answer he wants.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Someone I don’t expect any of this to get mentioned in Moneyball “the Movie”.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

he got jack shit for Hudson, and Zito left for two 2007 draft picks who became Grant Desme and Sean Doolittle

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

In dealing Hudson/Mulder/ZIto he only ended up with Dan Haren which he parlayed into a gold mine but gave up part of the gold mine for Holliday who he totally failed on when he flipped him for Wallach who eventually was flipped for M Taylor.

Barton the ultimate Beane guy has been quite the failure.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

The joke was popularized BEFORE he made these moves

obviously he has sucked at being a GM as of late, but it seems disenginious to use only these moves to discuss this.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it doesn’t, we are now talking five years, how much are we allowed to go back?

No one said he “sucked” just pointed out that he is nothing close to infallible. Sucked is your choice.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

the joke originated before the last 5 years

and I don’t think people have been saying that joke about him for quite awhile now.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

when oakland was legit in like 2002/2003, yeah.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

He did convince someone to take Vin Mazzarro from him.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

trading away a 23 year old MLB starter seems like a con, not a pro.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean seriously

at 22 years old, the dude had a 2.59K:BB, 2.38ERA in the PCL.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

A 23 year old starter can’t crack the Royals rotation and gave up like 15 runs in an inning this year.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

from the SSS king.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not being able to crack the Royals rotation is pretty damning.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

his PCL stats this year are weird. 4.27ERA isn’t bad for the PCL, but he’s walking like 5 per 9.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

the team that decided to give Franceour all that money

I meann, they don’t exactly make the best decisions.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, but Mazzarro isn’t exactly beating down the door.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

fwiw

I really like the Royals first four hitters. They must have like no pitching for them to be so bad.

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have co holder of the Royals record for most consecutive wins by a left handed starter.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

bridge year

Next year Duffy will be better
Aaron Crow will move from the bullpen to the rotation and immediately become their best starter.

The infield is set for years with Hosmer, Gavy, Escobar, and Moustakas.

The outfield was solid in 2011, Melky delivered

I’m still bullish on them.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

2015 World Champions

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope but they will be competing with the other teams in the AL central soon enough.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

first four hitters

Gordon—.300/.375/.498
Cabrera—.300/.334/.466
Butler—.302/.375/.478
Hosmer—.288/.338/.463

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

So happy to see Gordon come back from the brink of Marte land.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

right

using the last 5 years to discredit a joke that referenced stuff that happened before the last 5 years, is, well, silly.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I was unaware of the time line of the joke. Please advise me so that I can discredit it properly.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well we our research to show how he’s not, since you think preBeane was so brilliant why don’t you do yours and show us the trades he won pre 2005? No drafts, no free agent moves, trades where he made the other GM look silly?

He supposedly fleeced the Royals over Jeremy Giambi but I doubt he was laughing to much over that trade.

This is the one he gets a lot of love for:

January 8, 2001: Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Oakland Athletics with A.J. Hinch to the Kansas City Royals. The Oakland Athletics sent Ben Grieve to the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays sent Cory Lidle to the Oakland Athletics. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays sent Roberto Hernandez to the Kansas City Royals. The Kansas City Royals sent Johnny Damon and Mark Ellis to the Oakland Athletics.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

he gets a ton of credit for not actually drafting Kevin Youkilis.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sucks that Boston was smart enough to lose more games so they had they higher pick.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe Billy should have taken him in the 7th round

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Instead of taking that other infamous walk machine Dan Johnson in the 7th

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or the brilliiant

Austin Nagle in the 6th

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

or the equally talented

Jeff Bruksch in the fith

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

or the dynamo that was Marcus McBeth in the fourth

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

but who could forget

JT Stotts in the 3rd

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

or Neil Cotts

in the 2nd

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly a number one draft pick of John Rheinicker trumps all those other stupid GM’s.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone run, it’s a Phil in the Box.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phacts suck don’t they.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t call me silly unless you plan to invest an hour backing it the fuck up.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

You haven't exactly refuted the logic

that I used. Using trades from the last 5 years to discredit that joke is like using Dunn’s 2011 to prove he was never any good to begin with.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chickity check yourself before you wreck yourself Nollie.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phil “I’ll Make This Point Until They Take Me Out On A” Gurnee is my favorite Phil.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

this sounds like

a rant you’ve had brewing for a while. :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane became GM in 1998, since then the A’s have drafted: Zito, Swisher, Papelbon, Harden, Ethier twice, Street, Blanton, Kurt Suzuki, Ludwick, Cahill, Laird, Bailey, Zieler, Braden, Dan Johnson, Mike Leake, to name the more successful ones.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you giving him credit for drafting players he didn’t sign like Leake?

Because if you are the Dodgers have drafted and not signed the likes of David Price, Chase Utley.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I give the Dodgers credit for drafting those players. Though IIRC, Price said he wouldn’t sign for anything, so that was a wasted pick if true and they get negative points.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was in the 19th round. No real waste. Take the gamble to see if he has any flexibility in his position to go to college.

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh, well yeah, absolutely. Take him in the 19th, slap a million in front of him, and watch as he wins a couple AL Cy Youngs.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lee said the same thing, you can’t play that game both ways. Players change their money when money shows up as the dude in this draft showed when he told everyone not to draft him and then signed with the Pirates.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

On that note I think you can only take credit for players you drafted and signed.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I figure it’s hard enough to identify future major leaguers that drafting them, even if you don’t sign them, is a sign you have a good idea of how to evaluate talent. That being said, it’s far easier to evaluate good talent than middling talent you think might develop into something useful.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree completely

No credit unless the player is signed.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they need to make it so players

can declare themselves ineliglble for the draft, and force teams to not draft them. Then the ones who are truly serious will withdraw. It won’t work, but /whistful sigh

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think picks should be assigned to teams. If you get drafted out of high school by the Reds but want to play college ball either to raise your value or for the college experience, fine. But when you’re ready to sign you can only negotiate with the Reds unless they trade your rights for a different pick, and get no compensation if you never sign.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

slavery was big with you was it?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, I can make a vague movie reference and get it deleted, but you can make a slavery joke?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

how is it different?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a moderator so it’s okay?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems different to me since mine was not a joke. Slavery is a term

1. (Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune

which seems to match what you are suggesting.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

The players would have every right to continue not playing for that team, and we’ve seen NFL players work trades to other teams after being drafted.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like the Reserve Clause

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Reds have no reason to provide a strong monetary incentive for the draft pick to sign

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

other than “we need to get value for our pick”

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

For Lee, I guess you’d have a small worry that he’d stop playing baseball altogether. But guys like Kershaw and Lee, it’s not like they’ll just give up on MLB. You’ll eventually get that pay off and you can lowball them.

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, this was supposed to say Kershaw and Price (not Lee)

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds very much like the NBA. Except the NBA you have to renounce your amateur status to be able to be drafted, which i find silly and unfair.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds completely fair to me

either you are in or you are out, none of this, I won’t sign! Then signing anyways crap.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

outside of baseball, sports labor practices mostly suck – but then again the special few that make it are handsomely rewarded so maybe it all evens out

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I find all drafts silly and unfair. It goes against all free market principles. Everyone should be free to negotiate with whoever they want.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

would you end up with the Yankees and Red Sox buying out the first 6 rounds?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

nah – the draft offers them protection

if they did that, they’d eventually empty the keg and the party would be over

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

how do you mean the draft offers them protection?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

it protects them from each other and themselves in terms of an arms race to end all arms races

arms races bankrupt eventually and bring downfall to powers over time

the draft is an arms limitation treaty signed by all participating nations

I am in a fucking weird mood today -but this works for me

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shockingly the NL did not have much problem during the non draft years.

The Yankee’s are often pointed to as the team who abused the practice but I think that is a wifes tail. They raided the KC team for a good portion of their talent which would not be allowed in todays world. The Yankee’s and Red Sox have dominated the Japanese market but I would say the smarter low cost approach the Dodgers have accomplished with Nomo, Saito, Kuroda was much more productive.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

we don’t need a draft!!!

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hideki Irabu says flags hang forever.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather see smarter beat money, I’d rather 18 year old kids get to choose where they want to play. I’d rather a country who espouses free market’s allow individuals that same choice.

I don’t graduate from college with my MBA and get drafted into a Big firm, I pick and choose who I will work for. If I don’t like how that company handles it’s affairs I’m free to choose another. I find it ridiculous that athletes are not given the same choices simply because we are afraid of the competitive balance.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its more like

deciding to go work for a company, and they tell you what city they want you to work in. You can’t consider all 30 teams truly seperate entities.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hear you Nolander

but if that was the case, there would be a single wage scale across the organization and if that was the case bye bye anti-trust

no easy parallel -

I saw we burn our bras and draft cards in unison!!!

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

All I'm hearing here

is that thinking of MLB like traditional business is folly, so this whole draft discussion is silly. Oh no, don’t shoot me, I said something was silly.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you think all the 18 year old kids wouldn’t choose to be Yankees?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only the front runners

LeBron would have

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair concern. Soccer is a free market and you have no parity at the upper levels of European soccer.

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am probably here philosophically

but it does make the teams competitors in a whole new way

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of. But the NBA is set up so American amateurs only decalre for the draft once (like Nolander’s suggestion.) This would basically be like what happens with foreign players, except those players have the right to work professionally (and earn money) in the interim.

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a what if for you

What if Beane took the Red Sox job?

No Theo the wonderboy
The A’s get Youkilis as compensation from Boston
DePo becomes A’s GM
Dodgers don’t get DePo, so they either keep Dan Evans or (more likely) get another state-dude GM, like Theo, who would be available. Maybe having people skills allows Theo to keep his job through any struggles in 2005. No Colletti.
Possibility of more Red Sox suffering

by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scott Brosisus for Kenny Rogers
Jeff D’amico for Kevin Appier
Miguel Cairo for Eric Hinske
Eric Hinske for Billy Koch
Billy Koch for Keith Foulke
Luis Vizcaino for Justin Duscherer
Ray Durham for nothing
Jermaine Dye for nothing
Erubiel for nothing

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Barrett for nothing that instantly turned into Damien Miller

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by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Other than Appier all those guys were good for the A’s.

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by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

interesting… he seems like just the right kind of scrappy white guy that drunken cubs fans would make t-shirts of as they sit in the bleachers.

by delias man on Sep 7, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's our Darwin

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Superior Sub

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shelley Duncan

of all people, with two two run home runs off of Verlander this morning

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

he had a good run

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s human, Rocky!

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hit the one in the middle!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

HE’S NOT A MACHINE! HE’S A MAN!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Juan Uribe had surgery this morning

Steve Dilbeck has the details:

In the Dodgers’ brief announcement of the surgery they said:

“Juan will be able to start his rehab within the next two weeks and recovery is expected to be 6-8 weeks. It is anticipated that he will be ready to compete in spring training.’’

by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

2 for 1 special on surgeries?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

While performing the operation the surgeon found his missing balls and re-attached them

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Apparently the week I play my tournament in Arizona is also the AFL Reporting weekend.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Also

Bryce Harper and Mike Trout will be playing in the same outfield for the Scottsdale Scorpions in the AFL.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

cool

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he plays a lot in Sept if they change their minds. I could understand the decision back on Aug 1st when they were probably putting the names together, but it does seem strange now.

Did you see the ditty that the Angels are 18 – 4 when he plays?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

the angels never send anyone to DR or Venezuela Winter leagues do they?

by delias man on Sep 7, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

While playing for Oriente in Venezuela’s winter ball, Rivera broke his leg sliding for first and was placed on the disabled list by the Angels. This injury kept him out for most of the 2007 season, with the exception of a brief appearance for 14 games in September.

by nolander on Sep 7, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah but he was from there. I mean sending actual prospects there.

by delias man on Sep 7, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

what is the tourney’s name and what age division

I think my league is sending a team and I am trying to see if I can swing it

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

the first sentence is a question – missing these???

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

NABA World Series. We’re in the 18A division. Oct 6-9

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I go – I will be in old man / wood bat

which I think is a week later

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah i believe so

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

How can you be in a World Series when your season hasn’t started yet?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

the work league team sends a team every year. it’s not so much a world series as that’s what NABA calls their tournament.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

its awesome – you will have a great time

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s what i’m hoping. we’ll be driving down Wednesday after work in time for games Thursday morning. I think I’ll get the Thursday 8am start so I won’t have to pitch in the heat.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are like a factory worker in the 1920s who doesn’t have to work in the factory, just paid to play ball on the company team

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

mostly. They asked which game I wanted to start, and I told them if I started Thursday morning I could also start Sunday afternoon.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

just be careful

when you’re hauling that nuclear waste :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

i’m more likely to drop that nuclear waste out the cargo bay of a B-2 on an unsuspecting country in Uganda because no one will find it there.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ringer

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

no wonder all the birds think he’s fly

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

for a white guy (guitar riff)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Game is called today. Bummer
RT @Dodgers: Today’s #Dodgers game has been called due to rain. A traditional double header will take place tomorrow at 1 p

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by underdog on Sep 7, 2011 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Wouldn't worry about this too much if it weren't for them going to San Francisco after DC and playing Friday

Hope Kershaw is still on track to pitch Friday.

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by underdog on Sep 7, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

:(

so then the first game will be played as scheduled?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I assume so, which is what sucks. Because then Dodgers will have to fly across country much later.

oh well at least SF game on Friday is a night game.

 So Billingsley and Eveland tomorrow?

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by underdog on Sep 7, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fedz

should start one of these games.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I would wonder again why Dodgers would not take advantage of extra roster space and call up

IDJ and Hoffmann or someone, to give them more depth for this long push here.

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by underdog on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe they want it

for the AA guys instead

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

once you are convinced that you know what you know, then the only point in those guys is filling out minor league rosters so you can learn about the guys you don’t know that you really know

know what I mean?

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have Velez on their roster, no matter how little you think of DeJesus or Hoffman they are still better options.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just got off playing with the word Know

I think hoffman sucks

I feel for IDJ

Velez would struggle in my league I am fairly certain

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's more what I'm wondering

I’m not as concerned with those guys getting a look as I am having them around to spell the other guys when needed, since I know at least defensively that IDJ and Hoffmann are SOLID (as Eric Collins would say) and have shown they at least have some offensive competence which is more than we can say for poor Velez.

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by underdog on Sep 7, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not aware of too many things but I know what I know, if you know what I mean.

/new bohemian

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by underdog on Sep 7, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brand Nubian has a great sample of that: “Slow Down”

by kinbote on Sep 7, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

so Game 1 immediately followed by Game 2? Or 1pm and 7pm?

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

first game was supposed to be at 10 am

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

eastern time

my old nemesis

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Traditional’ would mean immediately back to back, right?

by Michael White on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

traditional doubleheader. One game, 30 minutes, next game

by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

looking at the old illustrated Angels schedule I have

there’s one 1pm doubleheader scheduled, against “The Champs” Baltimore. But most of the scheduled doubleheaders were twi-night, starting at 6pm

by Josie Becker on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodger one I have

has none of the twi-night nonsense. Day games were at 1, Night games were at 8, and Day doubleheaders (they had five in 63) were at 1

by Josie Becker on Sep 7, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

as with lovely Ithaca

home is sweet home

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Loved Lilly’s take on Strasburg. From the Dylan Hernandez story:

But there was at least one player in the visiting clubhouse at Nationals Park who said he wasn’t impressed by the supposed once-in-a-lifetime pitching prospect.
.
“I think he’s someone that the Nationals should probably trade to us,” Ted Lilly said.

by fbihop on Sep 7, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd MAYBE

take a flyer on the kid. Injury risk ya know? :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ely and Eveland for Strasburg. Seems fair.

Hell, we’ll throw in Gwynn.

by fbihop on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

get it done Ned!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 7, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pedroia:Ethier::Lilly:Strasburg

Trade Lilly to Washington for Strasburg. Joke’s on him!

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

So trade Ethier for Pedroia and Lilly for Strasburg? Seems fair to me.

by fbihop on Sep 7, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s foolproof!

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we might have to get something else in return, those are so one-sided. We’ll take Adrian Gonzalez’ contract off their hands.

by fbihop on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, I hope he’s the next Bob Feller, because I think it’d be great for baseball to have a hall of fame talent with that hype playing in a mid-market and for the same team his whole career, but I worry for him that he might be Mark Prior.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he was the next Bob Feller his career would already be pretty much done. His greatest work was done between 18 – 21

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d take Feller’s Age 27 season for any Dodgers pitcher.

by fbihop on Sep 7, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, i was really just going for young, hard throwing right hander, but you’re right.

@RB_GScott

by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason I did not ask the question re most games for a LA Dodger since 1958

I did not know if anyone would come up with Ted Sizemore without a lot of hints.

But a new question, since the first major expansion (1961), name the first year player who played in the most games. And no, it is not Albert Pujols who played in 161 games in his first season in 2001.

But the hint is that it did come after the DH rule was in place.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 7, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Seriously?
I did not know if anyone would come up with Ted Sizemore without a lot of hints.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

not anyone who had a Ted Sizemore glove (I think I had a Ted Sizemore glove).

by bhsportsguy on Sep 7, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I might have

other thing to remember, Phil is older than he looks

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure how many games Eddie Murray played in 1977, but he is my guess.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

So this is someone who played in 162 in his very first season? Wow

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 7, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

NFL Week 1 Maps

http://the506.com/nflmaps/2011/wk1.html

Take a look and find out the games you get this weekend.

by VegasBlues on Sep 7, 2011 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

don’t just watch TV, DirectV

by Hollywood Joe on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

it annoys me to no end that CBS treats LA like a secondary Charger market, but Fox doesn’t.

by Josie Becker on Sep 7, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

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