Salary Arbitration Eligible Dodgers: Andre Ethier
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 7:00 AM PST
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The Dodgers entered the offseason with seven players eligible for salary arbitration. These players, with between three and six years of MLB service time, has been whittled down to three through a series of transactions. The Dodgers locked up Matt Kemp for eight years and $160 million back in November, traded Dana Eveland to the Baltimore Orioles for a pair of minor leaguers, signed Tony Gwynn Jr. to a two-year, $2 million contract, and did not tender a contract to Hong-Chih Kuo.
That leaves three Dodgers eligible for salary arbitration: Andre Ethier, James Loney, and Clayton Kershaw.
On Wednesday, January 18, salary figures will be exchanged, assuming both sides haven't worked out a deal by then. If the Dodgers and the player in question can't agree on a contract, both sides will submit one salary figure and prepare for an arbitration hearing that will be scheduled at some point between February 1-21. The two sides can continue to negotiate up to the hearing itself, and that is often what happens.
The Dodgers haven't gone to a hearing with any of their arbitration-eligible players since 2007 with Joe Beimel. In a hearing, both sides argue their case for their salary figure to a three-person panel, and the panel will ultimately decide one side or the other. Ethier and the Dodgers had a arbitration hearing scheduled in February 2009, but the two sides worked out a contract just minutes before the scheduled hearing was to begin.
For the most part, the arbitration system is all about trying to find comparable players, either via service time, position, or performance. We begin our look at the 2012 arbitration-eligible Dodgers with Ethier, who has one year before being eligible for free agency.
Ethier has five years, 153 days of service time. This is actually his fourth time being eligible for salary arbitration, as he was a "Super Two" after 2008, meaning he was in the top 17% in service time of players who had at least two years but not quite three years of service time. Ethier made $9.25 million last year in the second season of a two-year, $15.25 million contract signed before the 2010 season.
In many ways, Ethier had a disappointing year in 2011. He wasn't necessarily bad, as he hit .292/.368/.421, a 120 OPS+. But his power was gone as he hit just 11 home runs, though he did hit 30 doubles, a mark he has reached for five consecutive seasons. Ethier was limited to just 135 games as he had his season cut short by a knee injury that ultimately required surgery in September.
Some of the players comparable to Ethier are a tough sell, as they all signed long-term contracts between two and four years before the comparable point in their careers:
| Player | Thru | Svc Time | G | PA | 2B | HR | Runs | RBI | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS | OPS+ | bWAR | fWAR | Salaryn-1 | Salaryn | % Inc. |
| Andre Ethier | 2011 | 5.153 | 854 | 3363 | 195 | 109 | 420 | 446 | .291/.364/.479 | .843 | 123 | 11.8 | 15.8 | $9,250 | ??? | ??? |
| Curtis Granderson | 2010 | 5.077 | 810 | 3424 | 142 | 126 | 511 | 366 | .268/.341/.481 | .822 | 113 | 21.9 | 23.7 | $5,500 | $8,250 | 50.0% |
| Nick Markakis | 2010 | 5.000 | 786 | 3369 | 206 | 89 | 448 | 422 | .298/.368/.463 | .831 | 119 | 17.8 | 17.9 | $6,750 | $10,250 | 51.9% |
| David DeJesus | 2009 | 5.146 | 785 | 3405 | 164 | 56 | 455 | 353 | .286/.358/.425 | .782 | 106 | 18.7 | 14.2 | $3,600 | $4,700 | 30.6% |
| Brad Hawpe | 2009 | 5.058 | 728 | 2807 | 145 | 111 | 348 | 427 | .283/.377/.498 | .875 | 118 | 2.6 | 4.9 | $5,500 | $7,500 | 36.4% |
| Nick Swisher | 2009 | 5.031 | 761 | 3119 | 152 | 133 | 437 | 406 | .245/.357/.460 | .818 | 114 | 11.5 | 14.3 | $5,300 | $6,750 | 27.4% |
| Jason Bay | 2008 | 5.080 | 771 | 3259 | 164 | 149 | 476 | 491 | .282/.375/.516 | .891 | 131 | 12.6 | 17.0 | $5,750 | $7,500 | 30.4% |
Ethier's career numbers compare favorably to all six of these players, though it is difficult to compare apples to apples as these players all signed long-term extensions all with some sort of risk discount built in. But we can look at the percentage increase in salary between year five and year six to give us at least a loose baseline of comparison. Just to note, a 27.4% raise on Ethier's $9.25 million is roughly $11.78 million while a 51.9% raise would be about $14.05 million.
Ideally, we should find some players at or near Ethier's service time who actually went year-to-year. I'm using percentage increase from year to year for Ethier because he was a Super Two in 2009, which started his larger paydays earlier than some of his contemporaries, and bumped the salaries his subsequent years of arbitration eligibility, relative to his peers with slightly less service time.
Here are three relatively comparable outfielders who were eligible for arbitration last year:
| Player | Thru | Svc Time | G | PA | 2B | HR | Runs | RBI | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS | OPS+ | bWAR | fWAR | Salaryn-1 | Salaryn | % Inc. |
| Andre Ethier | 2011 | 5.153 | 854 | 3363 | 195 | 109 | 420 | 446 | .291/.364/.479 | .843 | 123 | 11.8 | 15.8 | $9,250 | ??? | ??? |
| Ryan Ludwick | 2010 | 5.109 | 651 | 2411 | 125 | 104 | 310 | 375 | .266/.337/.476 | .813 | 114 | 9.2 | 13.1 | $5,450 | $6,775 | 24.3% |
| Josh Willingham | 2010 | 5123 | 663 | 2602 | 130 | 103 | 320 | 336 | .265/.367/.475 | .841 | 121 | 11.3 | 12.8 | $4,600 | $6,000 | 30.4% |
| Cody Ross | 2010 | 5.058 | 636 | 2222 | 127 | 86 | 274 | 319 | .265/.323/.466 | .788 | 105 | 8.5 | 10.2 | $4,450 | $6,300 | 41.6% |
Ethier blows them all away in bulk stats, with more than a full season more of playing time than the trio. Perhaps a look at their respective launch seasons (the season immediately preceding arbitration eligibility) would give us a better look.
| Player | Year | Svc Time | G | PA | 2B | HR | Runs | RBI | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS | OPS+ | bWAR | fWAR |
| Andre Ethier | 2011 | 5.153 | 135 | 551 | 30 | 11 | 67 | 62 | .292/.368/.421 | .789 | 120 | 1.3 | 2.9 |
| Ryan Ludwick | 2010 | 5.109 | 136 | 551 | 27 | 17 | 63 | 69 | .251/.325/.418 | .743 | 104 | 0.9 | 2.0 |
| Josh Willingham |
2010 | 5123 | 114 | 450 | 19 | 16 | 54 | 56 | .268/.389/.459 | .848 | 129 | 2.7 | 3.0 |
| Cody Ross | 2010 | 5.058 | 153 | 569 | 28 | 14 | 71 | 65 | .269/.322/.413 | .735 | 95 | 1.0 | 2.3 |
Again, Ethier compares favorably in his launch year, even with the missed time and suppressed power. Willingham may have had a better launch year, but Ethier played 22% more often. Looking at the raises for these three and applying them to Ethier, a 24.6% raise would mean $11.5 million and a 41.6% raise would mean about $13.1 million.
Looking at these comps, I think Ethier's floor in arbitration is $12 million. Factor in the two straight All-Star appearances and a shiny new Gold Glove on his mantel, and Ethier probably gets more than that. My guess for Ethier's salary in 2012 is $13 million. What's your guess?
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If I had it my way, Kemp would have gotten a similar deal to Markakis 2 years ago, Billingsley would have gotten a 5 year extension after 2009, Martin would have gotten a 6 year deal for around 65-75 million (oops) and Kershaw would have gotten a monster extension after 2010, instead of a gozilla sized extension he will get whenever he gets it now.
Overall we’d have Martin still and way overpaid, though still productive for a catcher, Kemp way under market value, Billingsley around the same, maybe a bit cheaper, and Kershaw waaaayyyy cheaper. That is, of course, if they were all willing to play ball.
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Why would Ethier do that? He’ll be at the top end of the free agency class next year.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Right
Also, Ethier will be the perfect candidate for the new FA rules. Dodgers can offer Ethier the one-year qualifying offer at the average of the top 125 salaries (people have estimated this at $12.5 to $13 million or so). Probably no chance he accepts but if he does, hey great we get Ethier back on a one-year deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Ethier is either signing a deal with the Dodgers for one year or for five or more years. There is no reason for him to sign for two years, for the reason that Mike mentioned.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
There’s no reason to give that guy 5+ years, so I guess you’re right about us finding out first hand how the new free agency compensation rules work
There’s no reason to give that guy 5+ years
Also seems right to me
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
just flashed on something
Ethier reminds me more of Paul O’Neil than any other player
I refuse to look up the comparison
but I now feel strongly that Andre probably needs to play for the Yankees in the twilight of his career
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I’m fairly certain the second thing out of Joe Torre’s mouth when he was offered the Dodgers’ managerial job, after “yes,” was “Andre Ethier reminds me a lot of Paul O’Neill.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
thanks to Eric and the rest of you for making me feel less than special
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
I wrote something really ugly
proud of myself right now
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Did you see Jack Johnson did a Tebow celebration after his goal last night?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I saw the Kings scored a month’s worth of goals last night.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
I was asleep in a NyQuill-induced stupor, but I saw Josie was all over it.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I believe Joe Torre
Made the same comparison
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:41 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Torre was not the first
many have since the day he arrived
1. Fiery personality
2. Hard on himself
3. Left handed white boy
4. Good Power
5. Bit of a late bloomer
6. Plate discipline
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I have never thought of Ethier as a white boy.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
His mother is Latina and I believe his dad is part Native American.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
his Dad
Is of French Canadian and Cherokee descent
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:50 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think
1Y/$13M is correct.
Will the Dodgers buy out any of his free agency years is what I want to know.
I'll take the wacky guess
Dodgers go to arbitration with Ethier and lose. Ethier ends up making $14MM
Its a shame
All the drama aside, he’s worth $14M, IMO. I expect him to bounce back big this year, assuming 100% health starting the season, which will only serve to bolster his cause for a larger chunk of change moving forward.
If he ends up a D-Back and starts mashing everytime he faces us, so help me…
WHAMMY!
I don’t think Ethier has the speed to play D-back, maybe outside linebacker, but D-back, no way
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
what's weird
Is that was my first thought. lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
They should go to a hearing with Ethier just for the fact that he needs to feel victimized to get motivated.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
if that's all it takes
they can just make him play for Sandusky for the same victimized effect
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
So I played my first baseball game in a month on Sunday
and here it is tuesday and my body still feels like it was in a car accident
age sucks
was it the baseball game or the sausage fest?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Good point
Baseball + case of wine + copious amounts of pork = sore postgame
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
you guys
obviously don’t know the foundations of a good training table
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Same thing?
Follow @DavidYoungTBLA
- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Andre goes to arbitration
Wins
Andre is traded on July 23rd to the Cardinals for Zach Cox, as the Cardinals suffer injuries to Berkman, Beltran, Holiday, and Craig.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Eerily possible
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
original answer – like it
Dodgers fans excited about the prospect of Cox, but he disappoints the Dodger brass with attitude and performance issues
Cox is traded away for a defense first catcher
HJ lauds the trade as a smart use of resources two years laters when Cox flops out of baseball
Ethier decides baseball isn’t for him but likes the Cardinal uniform, makes the Arizona Cardinals as a special teams player and 3rd string linebacker
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Best part of this
Dodgers open a four-game series in St. Louis on July 23. Oh the drama.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
ok
Everyone who’s a Dodger, get on the plane……….not so fast Andre
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am a fan of clubhouse-to-clubhouse trades
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Saves on moving costs
For the team that is, they don’t have to ship his locker and crap anywhere, they just give it to the equipment manager of the other team and say “here ya go, you deal with this now!”
WHAMMY!
Either that or they do one of those mid series switcheroos
“So Endre, how do you feel about the color red? Oh and by the way, your locker is now across the stadium…as in you are now a Cardinal…as in, get the F outta here!
WHAMMY!
despite his lower power numbers
I’ve liked Zach Cox since that draft and would like to see if he develops more power in the future.
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Because of simple ego, is it even remotely possible for Andre to sign a long term deal with the Dodgers making substantially less then Matt Kemp?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Sure. It’s not like Ethier will touch anywhere close to 8/$160 in free agency.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but wouldn’t it be easier for him if he feels he’s as good as Matt Kemp (which I think he does) to play for someone else and make 15 Million per year then for the Dodgers getting 10 Million less then Matt per year?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
We need to ask someone with an ego, is Gary available?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Look in the mirror and smile
it bounces back like a rubber ball if you let it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
That works for guys like Gary and you, for the rest of us the ball hits us in the mouth and breaks a tooth.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
it works for everyone if you let it
Kenny Chesney
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
You know what’s cool, being able to look over the shoulder of your boss’s admin and watching her delete you from the org chart.
God, I hope they leave me off this time.
You still looking for a new job?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 9:22 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes and no.
They extended me out a month and are threatening to do it again. I don’t want to work here, I’m now physically angry everytime i pull into the parking lot, but it pays the bills. I have a very exciting job lined up that starts out unpaid, so I can’t take it unless I can collect unemployment, and I can’t collect unemployment if I quit or get fired here. So, yes and no.
Check your mail
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 9:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
extending you for 1 month on an ‘at will’ basis, meaning they can fire you without cause at any time, is a really shitty situation. At least if they extend you a year at will, you work with the assumption that they expect to need you for the whole year.
Better just to use it as paid time to try to find a new job. It’s too bad that your dream job doesn’t pay at all “to begin with”, but maybe you can find a paying job before the current one ends.
that’s what i’ve been doing. Had a lot of leads, but most of my contacts are in the defense industry and they just cut the defense budget by like $650billion over 10 years and we are all at prime contractors.
FTFY
You know what’s cool, being able to look over the shoulder of your boss’s admin and watching her delete you from the org chart innocently and accidently peeking down her top.
God, I hope they leave me off I see some nipple this time.
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
She’s old an dumb. I don’t care if she looked like Jessica Biel, being dumb makes you invisible to me.
invisible or uninteresting?
I never slept with a dumb girl more than twice
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
those two should not be compared
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The ego is justifed...
Try standing in the box, down 0-2, wondering if he’s going to throw the heat or the slider, then resigning yourself to just going down swinging mid-flight because there’s no chance in hell I’m getting on-base.
If you bunt on him, he’ll hit you, so that is two times in a row you can get on base.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell, I wouldn’t want a HBP at all with Mr. Scott throwing.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
oh don't do that
he’s insufferable when you do that
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
If the power comes back and he has something like .280/.360./480
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Phil does
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Sure he can.
Just for fun I looked at the neutralized batting on Baseball-Reference. If we put every year of Ethier’s career in the same offensive environment of 2011 playing his home games at Dodger Stadium, here would have been his annual slugging percentages:
.439
.416
.492
.495
.488
.420 (I am trying to figure out how putting Ethier in his same environment netted a slugging percentage one point worse than his actual number; maybe a rounding error)
I’m all for thinking a healthy Ethier can slug .500 though.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
So, to sum up...
Endre and his agent (who is it?) will leak to the media they are looking for 7/105, which is way to high, the common perception might value him at somewhere between $13 and $15M per year depending on the length of the agreement, and if Ned is still making deals he’ll say he tried his best at 5/55.
WHAMMY!
Haha
From @TheFakeESPN:
LSU is reportedly stuck in New Orleans, a 50 yard line was painted in front of the team bus.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:50 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 8:51 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why can’t they just put their backs to it and march across it backwards?
by Xeifrank on Jan 10, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
genius
that is is true genius
easy easy rec
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Andre Ethier is offered four years at twenty mill a piece and he takes it, saying, “I’m pretty sure I can feed my kids on that”
I am prepared to enjoy the type of season Ethier has to have in 2012 to receive such an offer.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
It’s gonna be gangbusters. 30 HRs, hitting .304 on the year. Everyone’s gonna be like woah
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
And the cynic in me says...
Its a catch 22. You sign him after that kind of season and he will invariably get hurt, underperform, become whiny and emo, and/or all of the above. But you don’t sign him and then he goes off to Boston, or worse an NL West team and starts to kill it.
So frustrating.
WHAMMY!
That isn’t gonna flood Nez Balelo’s inbox with offers of $20 million per year.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
can we use "flooding the inbox"
as a phrase?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Jayson Werth didn’t get $20 million per year
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
he is the last four years of his contract
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
it’s all just monopoly money anyway, none of this is real
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Werth could field couldn't he?
Then again Ethier is a gold glover now, lol.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
That would be false
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Werth has a cannon and some serious range. Phillies had him playing some CF. He’s got the tools to be an elite corner defender. Was he not that good defensively when he came up with the Dodgers?
I’m saying that ivdown is wrong, that Werth was an excellent defensive outfielder.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
He’s right then. He said Werth could field.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
ha ha, got the could and couldn’t mixed up.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Every time I see/hear the word "gangbuster"
I think of this guy.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
LOL
Ahhh yes, the “feed my family” argument, its right up there with sports stars talking about “times being tough” and “doing whats best for my family” and “we all have to make sacrifices”
WHAMMY!
He settles
One year $13m.
With the Dodgers barely in contention and Sands ready to step in, he’s traded at the deadline for a young cost-controlled infielder.
Its not a democracy, its aTheocracy
Ethier and Dee for Starlin Castro
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
You trying to round up all the alleged sexual abusers into Los Angeles?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Maybe we can get Josh Lueke and Brett Myers too and hopefully they kill each other.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Andre loses arbitration
Andre hits 19 home runs by the all-star game, makes his 3rd straight appearance, and leading his team to a surprising five game lead. Word gets leaked from Dodger President Joe Torre’s office that the Dodgers have offered Andre a 5/75 extension but that he has turned it down.
During the All-Star game, Andre is hit on the wrist by a Josh Walden fastball, shattering it making the Werth wrist injury look like childs play.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Phil
Meercat hacked your account again
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 9:17 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Dodgers have a 5 game lead at the ASB! That’s optimistic and manageable even after losing Ethier for the year.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Especially with Rubby back a few weeks after the break. Ends up starting Game 3 of the NLCS
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Going to be weird when Kershaw / Billingsley / Rubby / Eovaldi outpitch Halladay / Lee / Hamels / Halladay on short rest.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
As I’ve been playing out this scenario in my head, once the Dodgers lose Etheir for the year, they pull out all the stops to make a trade to replace Etheir and maintain the lead. Eovaldi and Withrow had a good run.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Is Torii Hunter in the last year of his deal finally? He might more or less fit that theoretical bill.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I was going to ask
Josie some questions about Giuseppe Rossi but decided it was too far away from the EC to care
A fan, but not that big of a fan, evidently
he’s a son of a bitch and a bastard. D-man can back me up
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
um, still angry I guess
I was inquiring about his health
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
She is bent out of shape
because he was born in New Jersey, but chose to play international for Italy
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
you grow up in Jersey and then you go join up to play for another country? Where’s your pride? Anyhow, last I heard he was rehabbing on schedule, that was back in December.
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
you go play for the country of your parents, where you have spent a good part of your formative life, that has a much better and well developed program for the thing that you love to do. Why wouldn’t you?
The Italian national team is as high an honor as there is in soccer – right? I mean its not Brazil, but it it storied
If I moved to Italy and had a son with dual citizenship who played baseball, why wouldn’t my son go to the USA to play?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
oh no, logically it was the right move, but there has to be a point in US soccer history where that;s not the case, and I hope it’s comin soon.
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been told for the last 40 years that is right around the corner.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
but, but, but
He was the one that was supposed to be the start…or some shit like that
Before he was hurt, he was playing at a very high level, dude is talented
and comely
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
it’s happening now with a bunch of German-American Army Brats. It’s a matter of if you think you can break in on a talent stuffed Euro squad
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
I’d ask you what you are talking about, but you’d reply.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Born to American Soldier on Army Base in Germany, holds dual citizenship, choses to play on US Nat’l team.
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Because he’s a true American or because he couldn’t make the German squad?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
most likely cause he’d be low on the depth chart on the German squad.
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
what if he dad was German and his mom a knocked up service woman
huh smarty? What now?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I never implied gender, you did. Like the doctor joke!
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Stewart Scott
Don’t hate the playa, hate the game
or some nonsense like that
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
I think there are a select few
That can hate both the playa AND the game. I defer to delias man on this.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 9:40 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I know it’s the opposite of Rossi’s situation, but if I had been good enough to play for the national teams of any of my ancestral homelands, even though most of those countries were systematically trying to wipe out my people, I’d be eating goulash like nobody’s business.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
heh
I’ll never forget watching the 2008 EC France/Italy tilt in a AC Roma cafe in North Beach, wearing my France shirt. I worked in the French bakery across the street, it became a thing between me and the Italian regulars
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
If the Padres are going to trade Mat Latos they should trade us Chase Headley.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I will call him Chase Heady
And expect to be corrected every time :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 9:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
If he played for us
I’d call him “Head Cheese”
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Just watched that movie last night
because my girlfriend had never seen it. I figured since Ive seen it about 8,000 times, its about time she worked on catching up.
Did she look at you disappointingly at “it’s twue! it’s twue!”?
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The tiny little ball of optimism that resembled a speck of dust is now gathering momentum and has picked up enough lint to now be classified as a golf ball.
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THAT’S WHAT FINGERS ARE FOR WRITES NOLANDER
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
You might want to consult a doctor.
Just in case. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Bud Selig lies about retirement again, receives a new contract extension.
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every time he’s ready to retire, some legacy threatening thing pops up. First it was the labor dispute in 2001, then it was contraction, then it was steroids, now it’s the Dodgers and instant replay. I’m a Bud Selig fan, so I’m glad he’s staying and hope he fixes this mess.
Which mess? the one he created or something else?
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meet
The Mets
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nah, just thought he had a good rookie year that went unappreciated, much like Moreland in 2010. He may never be that good again. The Mets are a mess.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
the ability to fix your own messes is a skill that not all possess
the ability to avoid making messes is a skill that no one possesses
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Bud Selig can go fuck himself and the horse he rode in on.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
depravity poll
if there was video of this, would you watch
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
“So we decide to go see the horse show…but then it’s like there’s a woman f^&*ing a horse. I started to feel bad for the horse”
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Kinky Kelly and the Sexy Stud?
…that title sounds vastly more disturbing given a certain community member.
damn, every response is probably offensive
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I am an equal opportunity self-fuck assigner. Don Fehr can also fuck himself and the carton of sour milk he always has with him.
You cancel a World Series, you should jump in front of traffic.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Depravity Poll part deux
If there was video of Selig and Fehr playing live Frogger, only to have both get wiped out, do you watch it?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
but not him having sex with a horse?
Another example how americans are more cool with violence than sex
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
I never said I wouldn’t watch Bud’s Equine Delight
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well because...
Later when it’s “business time” with the wife, I don’t want to have any flashes of 80 year old men copulating with horses invading my mind, that’s Champs place. But when its “Time for Business” seeing images of a complete douchebag getting nailed by an oncoming semi will only serve to further pump me up for what I’m about to do
WHAMMY!
My mind has wiped this event from my conscious
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That’s how Keyser Selig gets you. The man walks with a limp until nobody is around, then the gait is perfect.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
And according to Ken Burns
The only ones who got screwed were the Montreal Expos and their fans, so … meh.
WHAMMY!
I can confirm. That was a fun show, no? (Last night’s was on SF – also fun.)
He has a real predilection for the raw underbelly of the places he visits, in more ways than one. You don’t get a complete or balanced picture of what’s on offer, but you sure do get to see places of character!
I love Bourdain, so much.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
When he still cooked and was unknown, a good friend introduced me to Les Halles in NYC. I spent many a night there
he has skills
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
That was awesome
He was totally trashed in SF, too. I’ve never been that drunk in SF and I live here!
I love how he got a cheeseburger at 2am. He could have gone to more specialized places but at least gave some cool places a plug. And that DOlores Park taco truck is the bomb.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Don't
want to be in downtown SF after the BART closes and far from walking distance to where you live. Made that mistake once. Saw some wierd shit.
MUNI runs pretty late, unless you’re trying to get to the East Bay
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that was the problem. Took the BART in from the east bay to watch a professional tennis tournament downtown. Match went really really late. Exited and went to the BART station and it was gated up and closed. Didn’t have the cash needed for a taxi. Apparently, the illegal drug trade is pretty brisk at that time (2AM ish).
Match was over at 01:30 AM?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. Something like that. Over late enough that BART was closed when we walked outside. It was a tournament, there were a couple of matches, played one after the other. Stayed late to see Jonathan Stark (Stanford freshman at the time) play against Krickstein.
I wish his first name had been Tony
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
where do they play tennis in downtown SF?
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
looks like it could’ve been the Civic Auditorium. From the looks of the picture online that looks like where the hords of homeless were camped out when we were walking around outside.
And apparently Agassi won that tournament and it was Jonathan Stark I saw, but the other guy was Dan Goldie a former Stanford tennis dick (they all are) and Goldie won 6-4,5-7,6-2 and the match was pretty heated if I remember correctly. Stanford tennis players are world renown for being dicks. But very good tennis players.
Played Goldie and Eric Rosenfeld in doubles in a dual match in 1983
Schmucks beat us 7-5 in the third. And you’re right, Goldie was a dick, as was Scott Davis. Rosenfeld and Jim Grabb were ok, though. And the entire UCLA squad except for Mark Basham and John Davis were major douches.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 11, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Stupid comment of the day
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
If you aren't careful
we could end up with a goodell, that would be turrible
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
“Commissioner of a major league sport” is the kind of job that is impossible to get people to like you. Seriously, could you imagine a day when a commissioner resigns and he is universally praised by fans? Just look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioner_of_Baseball
Every commissioner has had to make tough decisions in shitty situations. The best a commissioner could hope for is not to be remembered at all.
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
any leadership job means a significant number of folks won’t like you
If I respect my decisions, people can think whatever the fuck they want
I just made a decision and wrote an email, that a number of people are now going to think I am the worlds biggest dick, and I am, but it was the right decision made with a good intention, so I don’t care
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly.
i disagree with a number of selig’s choices, but i understand why he made all of them. reading the comments on mbltr, you’d think the guy was satan. but i guess that’s to be expected…
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
he may not be Satan but he’s headed for hell in a ballbasket
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I remember liking the previous three
Peter Ueberroth (1984-1989)
Bartlett Giamatti (1989)
Fay Vincent (1989-1992)
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
my point is
there are other people who hated each
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Not many hated Giamatti, except Pete Rose. And heart disease.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
who gives a fuck about what other people think:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
who gives a fuck about what other people think:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I remember liking Uberroth, but I didn’t know what collusion was. Then again, without collusion, maybe the Dodgers don’t sign Kirk Gibson.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
How could we, he was a Tiger until it was voided.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah there was no need for that maybe in there.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I look forward to initiatives like “be nice to umpires” and “we could always find more ways to make a really long season irrelevant”
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
It establishes seeding. It just so happens that team success in baseball, much more than any other sport, is reliant on individuals being locked in at the right time. You could have a 120 game season followed by a 32 team single elimination tournament with all 7 game series and you’d still have the Royals knock out the top seed once in awhile.
Which is why I hate short series in baseball. The best team wins way less often in baseball than in any other major sport, and the long season is designed to fix that. Reducing that down to a one game playoff isn’t something I’m a fan of.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
the season removes all the “bad” teams. If you make the playoffs, you’re a good team, and good teams can play great. Your only other option would be to play a 101 game playoff series. Otherwise, enjoy the excitement of the playoffs and accept the idea that just because your team is “better” doesn’t mean it played better.
by G.Scott on Jan 10, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I didn’t love watching baseball I’d hate baseball.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I don’t know what problem we’re solving here. The wild card partially came from that season where the Giants won like 103 games and missed the playoffs. Now that was really funny, but all adding this second wild card does is make it so a team could do incredibly well and still miss the playoffs.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
A team could win 100 games and still miss the playoffs which is something the Wild Card was designed to prevent.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Wild card 1 wins 100 games
Wild card 2 wins 86 games
Wild card 2 beats wild card 1 because it’s baseball and that will happen like 48% of the time.
Suck it, 100 game winner.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I should say, I like the idea of a second wild card team, i hate the idea of a 1 game playoff. It should be either a 5 or 7 game series, but I like adding another team/round.
hell, if you make it another 5 game series, that’s up to 5 more games the wild card team will have to play than a non-wild card team should they make the world series, making the regular season even more important
Thus making the playoffs at least 5 days longer
and giving all of the other playoff teams too much time off between their last game of the regular season and the first game of the playoffs.
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Contrary to popular belief, the commissioner’s job is not to design the game to correctly determine who the best team is every year. His job is to protect the owners and their best interests, and their best interests is financial in nature. I think to that end, he does done a great job.
And unfortunately
I think MLB players are the only pro sports union to realize that the owners doing well is the best way to ensure job security for themselves and the future of the union.
Xeifrank thinks the most important thing is getting end of season tournaments correct….
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well that is partially true. But I would replace that description with, Xeifrank thinks the most important thing is not having a shitty stupid way for determining a National Champion. Getting it 100% correct. Nice to shoot for that, but allowing for the possibility of a top ranked team to go undefeated and not have a shot to play for the title is shitty. #DeathToTheBCS
I think you’re too hung up on the name “national champion.” They vote “national champions” for high school baseball too, but nobody gives a shit because it’s just a vote that doesn’t mean anything (and because it’s only high school baseball.)
That’s how the “national championship” was for 80 years in NCAA football too because like high school baseball there’s no practical way to determine best with all those teams competiting. National Champion is no more meaningful than somebody winning the Miss Universe pageant. It’s just an award that guys used to vote on, but they’ve tried to improve upon that.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t give any credence to a “National” champion of anything unless they won “some kind” of playoff. The highest level of High School (any sport) champion that I take serious is state or section champion, whatever the playoff goes up to. The whole national champion for High School is “just for funzies” as far as I am concerned and I don’t give it any weight.
As you know, even high school state championship in football (in California) are crap.
I don’t personally view the NCAA national championship any differently, yet the BCS system was created to get closer to a true national champion than the prior system had and people lose their minds over it. I think the BCS is stupid too, but I don’t really give a shit. Especially since all the proposed fixes to the system would still have glaring holes in it.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
right, you’ll never get a perfect playoff system in almost any sport. But it is my (and many others) opinion that the current system is piss poor and could be improved upon by magnitudes. Magnitudes I’m saying!
Two teams playing a rematch of both a conference and division game was a complete joke. Fuck it, blow it all up.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
rest is a helluva drug in baseball. for hitters it’s rough, for pitchers, missing a start or taking a couple days off is a GODSEND
Juan Marichal
Disputes this
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, I’d be much more okay with this if it was an actual series instead of just one game.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I would rather have seen 7 games series in the division series
instead of a one game playoff
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Wow, could you imagine
They’d be creating an August – October style NCAA BB tournament. You could call it Fall Madness, or whatever. And being the fans that we are, we’d still watch the regular season anyway, and then lose our minds when our under performing team started beating up on teams no one expected them to.
WHAMMY!
Even Tony Conigliaro could have seen that coming.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I was going with Fogerty lyrics
A black eyed handsome man….
Look at me
I can’t see
Centerfield
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
damn
i guess “it counts” goes on for awhile longer
by MammothDodger on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Winter Development Videos
I added 4 videos to my winter development fanpost (http://www.truebluela.com/2012/1/9/2694748/2012-winter-development-program)
they are not the best quality but I figured I might as well post them
by Brandon Lennox on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Looking at Tony, is baseball the only team sport where someone flirts with serious mental injury on every pitch. The pitcher, the hitter, the fans, the base runner on 3rd. Tackles destroy legs all the time, and you get your concussions, but I’m not sure the danger of every single 95 MPH pitch, or velocity of a Pujols line drive can be matched.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yeah, it’s “better” for you to get hit really hard once than it is to receive a bunch of punishment over time.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
It's a tough call
The (small) threat of paralysis is much more prevalent in football. Gotta be harrowing to try to catch a pass across the middle.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ray Chapman wished he was Dennis Byrd.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
But the thought of that has to be gnawing at most players. And as Joe and others have mentioned, the brain damage suffered by countless linemen has to count for something.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Lots of football players dying, killing themselves, and being generally fucked up due to dain Bramage
Mike Webster ended up living under an underpass
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Pride / Ego / Gets in the way?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve caught or got glove on every line drive hit back at me, and it’s uncomfortable. I’ll probably start wearing one as my reaction times start to slow.
They may have already. Given that we’ve seen plenty of pitchers take one off the noggin from one they didn’t get glove one, the nads wouldn’t seem to be out of play.
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Boxers would say hello
if they could talk
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
and then I notice
you said team sport
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
It’s going to improve something else in about 30-60 minutes.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
the poop and pee release is all some people have.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
you call that a low bar?
I’ll show you a low bar
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Im not sure its even the low point in this thread
Given the (albeit brief) bestiality discussion.
Yes, also, in overtime
The team that gets the ball first wins if they make a basket
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 10, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Team that loves Jesus the most, wins!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I haven’t seen a Christian player take this much flak since Bull Durham and Major League
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Honest question
Has a star player in recent memory been more didactic than Tebow? He is obviously not the only person of faith in sports, but he has fully embraced his missionary role. The only other one I can think of is Josh Hamilton, but his redemption story tempers the proselytization.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
sour grapes and good manners keeps my mouth shut
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
thanks :)
I kept mine shut this week, too ;)
I’m still waiting for the first Jewish star QB. Be less likely to be a missionary for faith than a messenger for the best deli, though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
actually the list of Jewish football players is a little surprising
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews_in_sports#Football_.28American.29
a few must be conversions, and some surprises — had no idea Taylor Mays was Jewish!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Why, surprising?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Just shows how diverse my people are
We’re not all Goldberg variations. ;)
And even though I know some African Americans who are Jewish, it still seems rare and surprising to me is all.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I just recently found out that Amar’e Stoudemire is one of the tribe.
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I think Warner attempted it quite often
But each star brings a different following. Faith based superstars only get a platform when what they do defy odds. Since what Tebow does defies so many “experts” and since he had incredible success at Florida, and built in a huge national following, his platform gets bigger and bigger.
WHAMMY!
shhhh
doesn’t matter what you believe, call it christian and its all good for marketing purposes
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I take it you don't follow Blake Hawksworth on twitter.
I would say a majority of athletes in general are fairly religious and a majority of those religious athletes happen to be Christian. Clayton Kershaw is incredibly religious, which is reflected in the ministry (and missionary work) he and his wife are involved in oversees in Africa.
I think the issue is that Tebow has done some TV spots for Focus on the Family and stuff like that, and it got super publicized by the media and his followers.
/religion scholar
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
though unintentional
“oversees” makes me giggle. oh, religion pun
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
Seems the norm not the exception. Unless they are simply pointing to the cool clouds after every home run.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
it makes sense that athletes tend to be religious.
who else do they have to thank for their freakish talents?
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
exactly.
and if you think you’re born into a certain family for a certain reason…
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t see brilliant scientists thanking a religious order for their freakish talents.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Before we descend into the religion=dumb argument, I’d like to point out that though I am not religious, a number of my professors are and they are VERY FUCKING SMART. There are also people on this board who are very smart and religious, so be careful, please.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
by Maddz on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
religious flamewars =/= fun, but it’s an interesting subject if we can keep from generalizations
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t mean religion = dumb. I don’t think it is on its face. Consequences of belief can be “dumb” but that is something else
That said, I think scientist tend to question more and trained to attack untried assumptions and thus may have more of a varied and nuanced response/opinion to the source of their talents
on the other hand, they don’t have a camera in their face and annies – so maybe if they had those benefits too – they would be more vocal about gods gifts
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
also
The public finds throwing a ball more impressive than splitting the atom.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Talking about G-d’s gifts and being religious are very different things. A ton of athletes have cross tattoos and drug habits and wanton sex. I have a ton of respect for the fact that, as far as I can tell, Tebow is sincere in his religiosity.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think his “golly gee wilikers” attitude also puts up peoples defenses.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think people who have a problem with Tebow are insecure about their own atheism. I’m secure in my knowledge I’m nothing but an advanced amoeba but if someone else feels different, all the best.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with Tebow
I hope he wins the Super Bowl. I just don’t expect him too.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think we have gotten too hyper focused on the religion part of it
some people just didn’t/don’t think he is very good, or at least no where near good enough to deserve all the attention/praise he gets. Yes the religion angle is one reason why he gets a lot of the attention he does.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
this is going to sound silly
but I wonder how much his name plays into it. It’s so easy to say Tebow, almost fun, and so it gets repeated ad nauseum. Think about the Honey Badger name for Mathieu, Musberger said it 7 times on the broadcast last night, always with emphasis.
You build reasons for your dislike, but I think much of it is people just tired of hearing his name. Like Bieber!
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
my Dad asked me
What Honey Badger’s real name was because they hardly said it
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:06 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
the bigger game, the more you are going to get
marketing
storyline
marketing
storyline
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
and there’s always an uncanny valley with marketing. Tebow is as hated as a Lexus commercial
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
he’s still the one you want on big occasions, but he’s showing his age
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve never been “I hate X announcer” guy.
I don’t care for some, and I like a few that everyone seem to hate.
He is one of the announcers I don’t care for….but I really like Herbstreit
What number?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wonder if that "Honey Badger" has seen these
Honey Badger don’t care videos, no relation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
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thats how he got the nickname, although he didn’t know about the videos
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
but Musberger said some teammates showed him the video and he liked it
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, sincerity is the key.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Amen! ;)
but seriously, as someone who is basically an agnostic Jew, and have nothing in common with him, I admit I cringe every time he starts a presser thanking his Lord and Savior, or at least roll my eyes. I don’t really think he needs to say that but on the other hand, and I’ve always defended this about him, even when he was at Florida, he sincerely believes this stuff, rather than guys who do thank God the defender fell down and they got a TD in the end zone, he seems to talk about God being there whether things go well or things go poorly (and they’ve done both for him this year) and he is genuine in how he approaches it. My personal style and belief system is to preach very quietly and practice what you preach louder, so when he or another athlete does more of the former than the latter i wince, but, as with kershaw, when they are really seeing their religion as an opportunity to do good upon the world, and set a good example, I find it harder to criticize. I still see him as a bit young/naive in how he sees the world and how he brings in religion, maybe will change as he grows up, but at least he’s sincere.
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by underdog on Jan 10, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You don’t see brilliant scientists do much of anything. And many of them are religious as well.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think the issue
is that the media picked it up and ran with it. Sure Tebow may have put it out there more then other athletes, but if the media didn’t gobble it up and then try to force feed it to the entire planet every seconds it wouldn’t matter.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
dude was writing scripture on his face
I am all about “blame the media” but the dude was manipulating the platform from day one
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Preaching is expected, how else can you convert?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
The reason Tebow takes flak is not because he’s Christian. And it’s not because he’s devout. It’s because he flaunts it. I don’t know if Hawk flaunts it or not, but he will never be subject to the same level of scrutiny because he’s not that good. Tim Tebow answers every question from the media with ‘First and foremost, let me praise our Lord and Savior." I honestly don’t know if anybody else does that. If they do, and only Tebow takes guff, then we are talking hypocrisy.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Kurt Warner used to break off every presser with that. He’s one I can think of. He was very open about his beliefs.
Of course we’re talking hypocrisy. You saw how quickly people jumped on the “huh huh huh, they don’t think, huh huh” train. Matt Kemp has a huge tattoo on his chest from Matthew, if I’m not mistaken. It’s not on his face, but he’s definitely up there in outspoken religious with his retweets of pastors.
It’s not as if Tebow doesn’t have an audience for what he does that whole heartedly agree with him — it just isn’t the vast majority of posters on this board or the people that troll him for it on twitter/in the media.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Matt Kemp has known the touch of a woman at least.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
well, there is that
I am all about god, except for that part about fornication
but who are me to judge, I think there is a rafter in my eye
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
here is an article about Kershaw's trip to Africa
which was basically missionary work
notice the lack of any religion mentioned.
This is the website for Kershaw’s mission which is rife with Christian phrasing, not all of which is really obvious.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
oh yes
yes he did
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
But Clayton sees his ability to throw a baseball as just one way he lives out his passion for God.
best. way. ever.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
that literally doesn't make sense to me
but ok clayton! You keep that up!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
in Catholic school we were taught that everything we do is a prayer. Any action is an action for god
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
It ties into the puritanical “Idle hands are the devils playthings”. It’s all just stuff to keep kids from playing pool
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
why don’t you play some nice cultured billiards, or snooker. Any baboon can hit a ball in a pocket
#ohwegottrouble
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to stay focused at work sometimes when someone is constantly behind me at work hitting me in the head with a ping pong paddle saying “Dude…..lets go.”
Aren’t you big enough to simply splat that fellow?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
it is also very eastern, your actions are a moving mediation – I love it
I say, do whatever you are doing well, because you are the one doing it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
FTFY
First and foremost, let me praise the randomness of the universe.
It’s all just stuff to keep kids from playing “pocket” pool
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
and if you did a wrong action did you get whacked with a ruler?
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only when my hot older male teacher asked me to stay after class
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise our Lord and Savior. I’m gonna start all my comments this way now.
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by nolander on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have assumed this was Tommy B posting this
nice one
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I've yet to master
Posting images
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
it's bringing us love, don't let it get away!
Break his legs!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
but not if they only make one free throw
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, a few years back.
Top two records in each conference guaranteed top two seeds. Division winners can be seeded no lower than 4. But home court still decided by record, regardless of seeding.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Ya, they made that change a few years ago after the Mavs (second best record in the league) were a 4 seed and the Clippers tanked the last game of the season to be the 6th seed (and play an inferior Nuggets team rather than a Mavs team that would end up going to the NBA finals.)
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
thanks all, saw the clippers listed as the 4 seed but winning their division and got confused.
Thinking about going out to a sports bar or something to watch Lakers/Clippers this Saturday, anyone interested?
Clippers
will shortly be knocked out of first place, so I hope you all (M.White already did) take your screenshots while you can.
WGT
Clippers going 2-1 this week (win tonight, lose tomorrow, win Saturday)
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Could be some weird quirk after Saturday where the Lakers are 9-5 (.643) and the Clippers are 6-3 (.667) but the Lakers being up by a half a game despite having a worse winning percentage. Weird schedule imbalance in the early going.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Clippers have had a ton of off games early. This might catch up with them later, but a new team (3 of 5 starters joined this year) I actually think the fewer games and more practice time as a good thing.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah no doubt
Lots of home games early, time for the new team to get practices in (a rarity this season, which is weird) can only help.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Games back = ((team 1 wins minus losses) – (team 2 wins minus losses))/2
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure the Clippers would still be listed higher because of the higher winning percentage, but the imbalance in games really throws a wrench into things. The standings weren’t designed for outliers like this.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
The Clipper have had 5 separate times this season (which is only 17 days long)
where they have had 2 days off in a row.
The Lakers will not get their first two consecutive days off until next week.
The Clippers will have a brutal March with 20 games scheduled and 7 back to backs including another 3 consecutive game stretch. The Lakers will play 17 games that month and have 3 back to backs.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
It ain’t about the standings, it is about who is standing after the postseason.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
playoffs?
You talking about playoffs? You kiddin me?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Even better
it’s only “almost” 4 in 10
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Wow, didn’t even see that. That’s great.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
why didn't they reduce their fraction to
2 out of 5. ?
by Xeifrank on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Math is hard
Let’s go shopping.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Jan 10, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that said
I may need a tutor for the Algebra portion of the GMAT. It’s been so long I don’t remember any of the formulas. Know anyone?
Sure. I can help you out. E-mail me and we can work out a plan.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Probably won’t be for another month or so. Have to see how this job thing plays out before I can really dedicate myself to anything else. I only need a 450 on the whole test, which is just passing, and I’ll do well on the written and analytical parts, but I know I’m going to struggle on the quantitative.
I got a C+ in Geometry when I was studying Geometry. I can only imagine what taking 10 years off from math would do.
First and foremost, let me praise Allah! For my daughter tutors mathematics. But college level.
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Math is always funner
when the math problems are made more practical. I was computing batting averages, and games behind in the standings in Kindergarten. Or at least it felt that way.
Gooder English
Its the most funnest of all
WHAMMY!
by Champ Kind on Jan 10, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm, maybe sports related math word problems.
Frank borrows $400M to buy a baseball team. Bud slaps Frank on the butt three times. At what rate can Jamie build swimming pools with Frank’s money?
I thought Jaimie was involved in the spanking
And she included players in that, lots and lots of players, during their “private” shower time.
WHAMMY!
screw your courage to the sticking place and never disrespect the bard again!
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Sally forth, tally ho.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
He made too many dumb mistakes down the stretch.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
how many years did he get at the helm?
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
could it mean anything
For Palmer?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Man, it’s too bad they can’t find someone fiery who is able to motivate a large group of adults while still possessing the game management knowledge it takes to reach the super bowl.
Bill Cowher likes being a commentator
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Lazy gig for a brilliant person. At some point he’ll be back.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
but slash threw that pass that one time at the Big House!
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I lived through the slash years, who else was supposed to play QB?
God, remember when Slash let Denver back into the AFC championship game with that stupid INT that Elway turned into a touchdown right before half that then led to the Denver superbowl
I do
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
at times I greatly enjoyed Kordell. He is the only person I know who has the same name as my Grandmother.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Your grandma's name was Slash? Cool!
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She was a hell of a guitarist.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 1:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A bit of astonishing trivia with that
When Oakland gets its next coach, it will have had as many coaches in the last 13 months as the Steelers have in the last 42 years.
(via twitter)
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Timeline
The winning bidder is to be identified on April 1st, sale to be closed by April 30th.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 10, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
With that timeline and the prevalence of twitter, it seems like the winner will be leaked sometime in late Feb or March
That will depend on McCourt
since he is the one who decides
by bhsportsguy on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Right, but I’m saying its pretty unlikely with a transaction of this magnitude that the real “winner” will be selected on Apr 1 and the deal will close 30 days later. More likely the winner is picked like Mar 1, and has some time to get all their ducks in a row before they announce who it is 30 days later and then a closing another 30 days after that.
opening day is 4/4,so they’d have 3 days to do the PR tour and attend the home opener to a sellout standing ovation.
I imagine this sells out the Freeway series
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
On the list of things that sellout the freeway series, new Dodgers owner is at least below
A) it’s always sold out
B) Albert Pujols
C) Matt Kemp
D) Clayton Kershaw
E) Jered Weaver
F) It’s always sold out
Hmmm
not sure if the preseason freeway series does sell out. Not lately anyway. Could be wrong. Doubt it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Why would you go when you’re gonna see the same thing six more times when it actually counts.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Which is different from a regular season Dodger game because
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
because there arent cheap tix to the Dodgers-Angels game on stubhub?
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
define cheap
I got pretty cheap tickets to angels dodgers this year
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
im sure you can get 15 dollar tix for the nosebleeds
but you can get those same seats for 4 or 5 to most regular season games
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t see anybody caring enough of a freeway series to say that they need to see it no matter if the game matters or not.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I got $50 seats for field level about 12 rows almost directly behind the plate at a Dodgers/Angels game last year.
It was the Kershaw complete game + Tony Gwynn 9th inning RBI single game.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
but the preseason is the only true freeway series where it’s three games in alternating stadiums
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Why do people go to Camelback?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Fun excuse to get out of town
/guy who still hasn’t gotten off his ass and gone after planning on it for 3 years
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
it’s a lot of fun.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
Right answer, as is going to the freeway series.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, where is Chris these days?
that was his question
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
2011 Freeway Series
at Dodger Stadium 19,415
at Angel Staidum 27,779
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
F)
Pretty sure every game wasn’t a sell out last season
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if the new owner doesn’t show his face at Dodger Stadium, at least an any official capacity, until the sale is closed.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
before it’s official he’ll attend disguised as an usher on a new episode of Undercover Boss
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I think an umpire is clearly a better option.
why are the Angels playing at Dodger Stadium?
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Probably the same reason the Cleveland Indians played their home games at Milwaukee’s County Stadium. Some combo of availability, convenience, and possibly cost.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
or that other time when the Angels played at the Oakland Coliseum
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
This is what we need
From Floyd Mayweather:
Manny Pacquiao I’m calling you out let’s fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see.
My Jail Sentence was pushed back because the date was locked in. Step up Punk.
Also, Floyd won $400,000 on Alabama last night.
I really don’t know why Pac won’t take this fight (unless he is roiding and it really is the drug tests that spook him off.) Sure, he’ll lose, but unlike Mayweather he doesn’t have his legacy tied to being undefeated (since he’s not.) The only thing that could derail his legacy is getting popped for steroids, so I have to think that’s the answer.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I see Floyd is going more direct this time. For the avoidance of doubt, he’s no longer referring to him as “the little fella” and now calling him out by name.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
that I would be scared of, yes. but he might kill me
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
4 million
400K
40k
4K
I don’t think 400 bucks is enough, but I might laugh enough to think about it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
oh, we knew before this email if we were paying attention
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
i'm along your line of thinking
1 grand would be swell with me
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lmao
Dude, they’re amazing, but the first one WILL fuck you up. Even with everything I was told about them, it just hit me like a ton of bricks.
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It’s almost as if being told about 100 proof alcohol doesn’t actively build up your tolerance to it. Go figure.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Despite that being the obvious response
I’m still giving the computer the stink eye reading that.
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it tasted like blue. I did not enjoy.
I was tipsy. Also I had 1 1/2 AMFs
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
tasted like blue
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
blue tastes awesome, FWIW
This is definitely my drink of choice, fruity looking or not
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I'll bite
What’s an AMF?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Does it stand for
Adios Mother Fucker?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
last night i took a sip and was like
oh holy shit this is awful, it tastes like alcohol
and Gary goes, “They didn’t call it a ‘go gently to sleep’, they call it an ‘Adios, Motherfucker’”
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
by Maddz on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Those knees and kidney shots Alistair Overeem landed on Brock Lesnar a few weeks ago might literally kill a normal sized human being.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yea but I would go down immediately after one and the fight would be stopped. i could buy a new liver and kidney if need be
Ha. I think the theoretical “I would fight so and so” question requires you to actually fight the guy. You need to be willing to go out there and try, not dance around and then flop after the first shot.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
You REALLY don’t want to have to do this. If I wasn’t so lazy I’d take a picture of my eyes right now and you’d see what big lemonheads would look like if they had the inner eye painted on them.
I’m not sure I’d want to fight some of the women boxers out there in fear of them killing me. Not even for $40 mil.
Alright Kinbote, you and me
This has been brewing for months, hahah.
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Ironic use of the lol. Excellent start to the trash talk.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ha ha
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Eric, look at the response
I think the first ever TBLA Fight Night is in order, make it happen
WHAMMY!
I would totally do that
heavy gloves, amateur boxing rules, head gear
would be fun
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be up for that, wonder if we could rent a ring
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
meh.
just do it like me and my friends did when we were 14. find someone with a finished basement.
by court168627 on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I think we need the ring to keep order and limit mayhem and to make the best photos imaginable out of the carnage
I wonder how many folks have had any kind of boxing training
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve now taken three kickboxing classes. I’m fairly certain Maddz would kick everyone’s asses in organized boxing situations.
Kickboxing would be a problem
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
unless you're really good at throwing kicks
it’s a great way to get your leg swept, Johnny
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
I did Krav Maga for a number of years and some police lead training Boxing and street fighting
I am sure she is fit, and could score the heck out of points, she’d hurt me for sure….but I’d feel real bad knocking out such a smart and pretty girl.
and this would have to be Boxing – no MMA or kick boxing stuff
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t all this training already eliminate you from the comp, or do you simply want to beat up a few of us?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I’d pull punches, except maybe against the young big guys who were trying to kill me. Have you seen the size of Bobby?
it would just be fun to spar and mess around
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I’d let Maddz slug me, but she’d have to pay $100 for the pleasure
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
The Isreali art of dick grabbing isn’t much use in a Boxing match.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
true – but the experience sparing and getting hit would be
keeping your head while someone is hitting you (in the head) takes some experience
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I could never get the hang of it in rugby/football
one blow to the head and I was confuzzled for a bit
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I'm worried that one day they will take away
cut blocks from my beloved Texans.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I would expect nothing less from her
My money is on Maddz
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise kick-ass women! You know, she and I are probably the weight class fit. I would get surely be killed. At least it would be quick and merciful.
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I'm hoping to put on 60 pounds of muscle
so I can be in Broke Lessnar’s weight class
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
you’d have better luck convincing Brock Lessnar to give you a piggie back ride while he beat the shit out of someone
You should go
for Brock Landers weight class instead
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
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First and foremost, let me praise our fathers! My dad fought a smidge (and I mean a tiny bit) when he was a very young man, as a lightweight I imagine (we’re built alike). When we were kids he taught us the basics, even bought two pairs of gloves and a put a speedbag in the garage. We never got farther than light sparring (headgear, what headgear?) among my brothers and a few of the other boys in the neighborhood. I’m certain that I can’t fight for crap and that I am getting too old for this shit.
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My Dad boxed at West Point in the ultra ultra light weight (120 Ilbs or less) not because he could box but because every West Pointer has to participate in a sport. His nose was straight when he started college, I’ve only known it with nasty breaks. He said he was not very good but that he was a big draw because he was a bleeder, as soon as someone hit his nose he’d start bleeding and the crowd loved it.
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My dad didn't box
his fight advice: If you find yourself in a fight, grab a rock, or a stick or anything you can find to end it quickly. Fight as dirty as you can
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
First and foremost, let me praise classic boxing weight classes! The traditional limits were 126 for featherweights (like Bobby Chacon) and 118 for bantamweights (like Carlos Zarate). My assumption is that the army would have used the traditional weight classes back in the day.
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I love how boxing just starts outright insulting people once you get below lightweight.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise the little man! If you stretch it, bantams could refer to fighting roosters, but feather and fly, well….
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A small fighting rooster.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise barnyard animals!
Are you saying a tiny cock?
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First and foremost, let me praise the gift of Josie!
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… but I am befuddled. For the exploration of the definition of bantam, for classic boxing weight classes, for a mention of an LA local hero, or for hinting at stretching the bantam as a euphemism?
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yes, I know we could
sounds like something hemmingway would have done, followed by eating 300 oysters, drinking a boat load of wine, and then bedding a 16 year old Spanish girl
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if enough folks wants in
we could also get a real ref, which I think truly makes it work and mostly safe
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I found Eric's opponent
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
No matter the outcome
the headline: “Pussy Goes Down, First Round TKO”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL(cat)
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That’s a great name for a boxing cat.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 10, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Pleasantly surprised to read through this whole thread and not see one Andre Gives the Finger picture.
And yes I was, and am, tempted. Who will give in?
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Memo to Josie
Reading an essay you might appreciate: “E Unibus Pluram: Television and U.S. Fiction” by David Foster Wallace (1990).
In my house
for a number of years, but not recently, when my wife or I got roped into something we didn’t like we’d describe it as “A supposedly fun thing I’ll never do again”
I enjoyed DFW (the author, not the airport)
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
All that BCS talk upthread
it’s a lot of fun, we have a lot of laughs, but we’re forgetting that there is a Division 1 NCAA Football Champion who won the title through a NCAA sanctioned tournament.
Your 2011 NCAA Div 1 Champion North Dakota St. Bison!
Their education is aparently less important then FCS teams
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and it’s silly to compare the logistics of Alabama and LSU’s traveling fans to New Orleans not to mention all the national media and corporate sponsors to North Dakota St. and Sam Houston St. fans traveling to Frisco, TX’s to play in an MLS stadium on ESPN2.
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
why?
all the kids should have to do is jump on a plane or bus. The rest should be handled by the adults.
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and when Dr Pepper and Allstate are operating partners there’s more to it than that
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it would be that hard to reduce the interview and photo op requirements for the kids
to get more games, which in turn would be good for both the sponsors and the NCAA
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all of this was a ploy to mention the MLS.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a real league! We have stadiums and an official ball!
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
that silver ball was a misstep, yes, and apparently the Galaxy are going to use it all year next year as Campeones
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
When the MLS final can't even get
a 1.0 national rating, I am not sure it is a real league yet.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
but you have to admit, it’s getting better
it’s getting better all the time…
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
just like the economy
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
even WWE Raw gets in the high 2s and low 3s
But I guess there is a lot of white trash out there
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haha
Just going off the stereotypes. I’ve lived in a couple mobile homes, the only thing i was missing was love for nascar :P
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My friend and I went to a bar for Wrestlemania last year. It was an interesting crowd. A lot of pickup trucks out front and not many people who looked like they went to work in a suit.
My favorite part was when Alberto del Rio came out to wrestle, some old lady (probably in her 70s) yelled, “KICK HIS HEAD OFF!”
It was the best.
so where there ANY good highlights of somoene getting pasted last night?
I hear the QB broke that guys femur after throwing the pick
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I wondered
after watching the play and the replay if had they been on natural grass would that injury have happened.
This is fitting
Tomorrow my daughter is having her tonsils and adnoids removed….
If you pray, drop one in there for her if you don’t mind.
If you just think good thoughts about people, I’ll take those too!
:)
Good luck, should be a breeze. Don’t forget to promise her ice cream.
I had it done twice, evidently some Military doctors are hacks.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt. She is pumped about the popsicles.
I’m pumped about the ice cream. (She never eats more than 3 bites….we can’t let that go to waste.)
Popsicles
do they still sell otter pops in Arkansas?
by bhsportsguy on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t know.
Had em done when I was 6 or 7. Throat was killing me again when I was 8, went to the doctor and they said they had to remove my tonsils. My parents were like “WAT”.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise science! Meercats can grow ‘em back? Can they grow back other things? Seems like a useful talent. Maybe you’ll grow back a prostate after the first one is removed.
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All good thoughts to her
I know you saved some prayers for her after I know you reluctantly sent good thoughts to Nick Saban to beat Les Miles.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
How old is she now? Did you have a second one or is that on the way or am I completely out to lunch on Keith expecting another?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise surgeons! Good luck with that. Little ones in the hospital is no fun, even if things are supposed to be routine.
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Looks like that weirdo is played by Skeet Ulrich
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I can't remember the last time I bought of any of these beers in a store
Coors Light now No. 2 in total U.S. beer sales.
It is probable that I have had the occasional Bud Light or Miller Lite at a ballpark.
I have not seen Natural Light in LA for a while.
at what point did we as a nation decide to only drink light beer?
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
evidently
the fatter we get the more we like to buy shit labled “Light”
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 10, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
When the Marketers decided the masses were weak and ready for exploitation
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
you still occasionally see commercials for Bud or Coors, but the light beer commercials are the ones with young people having fun, and the regular beer commercials are narrated like a WWII video
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
For one month I’d like to see all drugs legalized just so I could see what the Marketers could come up with to entice me.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
made with 100% pure opium
Like my great-grandad smoked in them tents out in gold country.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
with traditional Chinese music in the background, I love it!
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
rap music is only used for the Opium Light commercials
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
So someone has involuntarily poured one down your throat?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
What happens in Tijuana stays in Tijuana.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I wish this was true, unfortunately it dribbles out, most of the way back home.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
If you haven’t seen Natty in LA for a while, you aren’t looking nearly hard enough. It’s the leading beer for college students
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Gary
Check your email
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
There you go, noephyte with shotguns and whiskey. To be fair the whiskey testing is after the gun instruction
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
that's awful
It should be whiskey tasting + shotgun skeet, BBQ
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 12:54 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
if wanna have fun
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
First and foremost, let me praise the second amendment!
Once we arrive in wild, wild Corona, California…LOLOLOL. Isn’t the wildest thing out there the meth labs?
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NOOOOOOOOOO
Shit BH, you can’t get involved!!!!! You’re a target now!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 1:08 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
damn
We’ve come too far!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Great picture
of LA Rams fans throwing money at Eric Dickerson after he left for the Colts.
If you’re on Twitter, you should follow @si_vault, which posts a lot of awesome pictures from Sports Illustrated.
by fbihop on Jan 10, 2012 1:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That security guard on top of the dugout looks like he was taking a piss.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
apparently its my fault I got overcharged
because I didn’t call them to let them know they shouldn’t overcharge me.
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overcharged by 600+ bucks
because after returning my equipment 2 weeks ago, I didn’t call their billing apartment to tell them I had I guess, which makes no sense.
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dodgerthoughts Jon Weisman
World Series MVP David Freese to risk killing all his postseason good vibes with a guest appearance on ABC’s “Work It,” January 24.
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We Already Know What The Worst HoF Ballot of 2013 Will Be
I will not vote for anyone linked to steroids. Never! That means Bonds, Clemens, Sosa fall into that category and will not get my vote. I do not feel Piazza, Schilling and Biggio are legitimate first-ballot candidates. So the only candidate at this point I’m certain I’ll vote for will be Morris — in his 14th try. Between now and then I might change my mind and go for Bagwell.
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This is why the Hall of Fame and its members only matters to the Hall of Fame and its members. For the rest of us, it’s an unnecessary ource of frustration, and something cool to visit every few years.
Dan Syzmborski was ranting on Twitter about this and I agree with him. Baseball is a game that prides itself on its history and it’s Hall of Fame shouldn’t be reduced to a trivial detail. It should be a celebration of the games best players, not a place where writers hold morality plays.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
We tried that. Even wrote like 20 stories between the mods and members. Never voted on it.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
True enough.
I still argue with Delias Man regarding Green vs. Mondesi, so I’m kind of curious if one of those two or neither made it in the first vote.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Neither would have, I’d have made sure of that:)
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My argument was basically that the LOTR needed at least one contemporary player or manager. I guess Piazza would have fit that description, but he was gone before I was old enough to really follow the Dodgers intelligently, so I think Green spoke to some of the younger fans on this board.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I was a die hard Piazza fan since before his call up….and then Green became my favorite player after Piazza left. Before Piazza’s rookie year my Dad would go on and on about how great he was going to be and I just ran with it and started collecting all the cards and memorabilia I could before most people who weren’t Dodger fans even knew who he was. Green was just sick as soon as he put on a Dodger uniform. I think he had 42 jacks for Toronto the year before….we definitely scored on that trade, since Mondesi was never as good as he was as a Dodger.
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by VeroJoe on Jan 10, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there should be a Hall of Did Great Things for the Dodgers
So Marlon Anderson would definitely be included.
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you beat me to it Kinbote….umm….Lima & Burnitz?
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Dare I say JD, Kent, Martin, and Nomar (of course the earlier mentioned Marlon) for the 4+1 night?
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That is a HOF Moment, like the four guys who hit 30 home runs in a season (Garvey, Cey, Baker and ……
for extra points, Dusty Baker hit his 30th on the last game of the season against which famous Dodger Killer? One of the greatest pitchers of his brief time
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if iiidown were here i'm 95% sure he'd have the answer
I think it would be fun to have a project where a bunch of us pick someone to write about, who isn’t actually a HOF talent player, but just someone who we feel has made themselves an all-time Dodger by doing something big for us.
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Do it, hell I’ve written about Bill Sudakis. I doubt you can write front page material but who knows, they let me on all the time:)
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I'm 99% I can't, lol
Plus I’d rather read other people’s more witty and eloquent writing about these things :)
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Do it, surprise yourself, if you don’t write about somebody who left a mark on you, who will?
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Is not voting in someone who cheated a morality play?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, lots of cheaters are in the Hall of Fame.
But it’s not just steroids, it’s Jack Morris becoming the standard bearer in the war against stat geeks, it’s Ron Santo being left out until he was dead because he dared to suggest he belonged in the Hall of Fame. The BBWAA isn’t interested in letting the best players in, they’re interested in themselves.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think the criteria states...
“As a member of the BBWAA, YOU are a genius! You know everything that should ever be known and ever will be known about this glorious pastime. So just go for it!”
WHAMMY!
I figured that was probably wrong
so I looked it up myself.
5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
lets debate if steroids where sporting!
and or reflected on their character!
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I’m with xeifrank on this one, if there are writers who choose that steroids= cheating and therefore are reflections on their character or sportmanship, that’s there call (even if I don’t 100% agree.)
I just choose to ignore the steroids questions for now because I’m not real passionate about it.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course
We can talk politics and religion just no mention of BCS
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
if integrity, sportsmanship and character were among the criteria, I could see how certain players get left off ballots.
by G.Scott on Jan 10, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Silly to have sportsmanship as a criteria.
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Jamey carroll and Jeremy Affeldt were just trying to boost their candidacy.
More to the point, I could see why, as a tiebreaker, those three things are used to keep guys like Albert Belle out.
As a tie breaker sure, why not, but there are some incredibly shitty people in the Hall of Fame so you can’t pull that card too often.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
integrity!
My biggest factor of whether a player is great or not
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Who's mocking integrity
I’m mocking that integrity has to do with how great a player was.
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I was going to make a joke about Hitler
and the world leader HOF, but I just don’t have it in me right now
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Once we run across some Hitler-esque players then I'll agree
haha
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I try not to get involved in the HoF banter of who belongs who doesn’t belong etc… It is kind of like the Academy Awards or any of the mTV/Movies/Music awards. It’s nice to have a forum to recognize the achievment of the players/artists but don’t get too bothered one way or the other over who wins or gets voted in. It is all so subjective and at least in the baseball HoF they probably get it right a lot more times than not.
If Babe Ruth played in today's era
He wouldn’t unanimously make the 1st ballot, just so some writer out there could prove a point
WHAMMY!
Back when Ruth would have been voted in, I could have envisioned one writer not voting for him because he had allegedly black bloodlines.
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Got it
Man when I did a Google Search, thinking this was more of an obscure reference I got some hits…well lets just say that apparently menstruating black is something that one does not want to experience.
WHAMMY!
I’m guessing that most here don’t want to be menstruating, period.
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I'm guessing no one here really wants to menstruate
they may tolerate it for its positive benifits, but no one really wants to do it. I could be wrong though.
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First and foremost, let me praise procreation! Depends why you are not menstruating and if you desire that outcome or not. AKA, “thank god, I was just LATE.”
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Does that mean he thinks Piazza, Schilling and Biggio are hall of famers?
I kind of like the distinction of first-ballot hall of famer as a first tier of hall of famers, the inner circle if you will. the “you’re off the ballot if you don’t get 5%” thing makes that tricky though. It’s like when pitchers walk anyone approaching Sadaharu Oh’s record. Signs of respect.
Even thinking Piazza doesn’t belong in a group that includes Eddie Murray, Dave Winfield, Kirby Puckett, Lou Brock, etc. is just plain wrong.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Piazza & Thome would be automatic first ballot players IMO…..whereas I could see Schilling and Biggio going in the second time around. I wasn’t completely sold on Larkin however being the fan that I am of power hitting middle infielders I a really glad to see him go in!
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You know who will be an interesting guy to talk about? Adam Dunn. Assuming he’s at least half productive over the next 5 years or so.
Adam Dunn will have the same memory as Bob Horner, Meaning other then those who say him play will remember him.
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I heavily advocated for us to go after him…this is shortly before I became a TBLA member. Knowing what I know now, I would have made a horrible call. I liked Dunn’s game. People on here argued how bad it would be to have the K rates of Kemp and Dunn in this lineup would have a horrible outcome.
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Meh
Try to gather as much information as you can with the amount of time allotted, make your decision based on that information and that information alone, then live satisfied you made the best decision in those unique circumstances. Hindsight solves nothing, nor does it prove the decision to be correct or incorrect. You can make the correct decision and have it go wildly south for you, and you can make the absolute worst decision possible and still come out on top. But the decision and the moment in which that decision was made never change.
Besides, as a Dodger he’d have hit another 40 home runs and still have his appendix.
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Well said and I agree. I simply wasn’t as knowledgeable about statlines as I have become since joining TBLA….thanks to you guys. I played ball my whole life and still only thought that only the following stats meant anything…
Hitters: avg, r, h, hr, rbi, slg, sb, oba
Pitchers: w-l, era, k/bb, sv
what little did I know
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Yeah, that’s how I grew up playing too. Would be scary to coach my daughters 7 year old softball team because I would be plugging their stats in to my sim to come up with the most efficient lineup.
even as a kid, OBP and SLG were advanced metrics that i didn’t care about.
It was all the roto stats: AVG, H, R, HR, RBI, SB/ W-L, ERA, K, SV
First and foremost, let me praise sabremetrics! While Slg% wasn’t on the backs of baseball cards, I do remember, even as a kid, looking at BA and looking at the XBH numbers to get an idea of the power a guy was bringing to the plate, essentially a crude Slg%.
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My first recollection of Park Effects was listening to the 66 World Series and Dick Stuart hit a long out to the outfield, and my older brother said in disgust anywhere else that is a home run.
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Just look at the 2010 Giants
and you can make the absolute worst decision possible and still come out on top.
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I say screw K rates
Let’s get Dunn, bring up Sands and Russell and trade back for Rod! lol
But seriously, if anyone didn’t want Dunn (or think he wouldn’t be productive) I would still say now that they were wrong. People should be worried about his defense, but at 1B it won’t matter a ton. .250/.375/.525 with 35 HR (potential for 40) was something he should have been able to do. I have no idea he could fall off a cliff that easily and that fast, but I think he will come back really strong in 2012 FWIW.
I still think Dunn’s contract won’t be a bad one.
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First and foremost, let me praise retirement!
Dunn’s done.
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Frank Thomas should be a first ballot guy
I don’t think he will though
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For those whining about
service fee’s I give you the Kings and Service Free Wednesday
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I have said before the first baseball book I ever read
was about the first 5 players elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. I went there and spend a good part of a day at Cooperstown reading the plaques and seeing the exhibits.
If I were a voter for the HOF, I am not sure what my criteria would be. I mean, I really do think there is a difference between the great and the very good. It just isn’t good enough to be the best in your time, you should be among the best of all time.
That standard is probably too high and not many would reach that so I would have to adjust that. But that is what this fan of baseball for over 40 years thinks and I frankly think it is as logical as any other opinion by any baseball writer out there has about who should go in the HOF.
But you yourself have said that to compare era’s is a fool’s folly so that really only leaves you with comparing the players against their peers. I think they need to be great, not the Don Sutton’s, Jim Rice’s, Andre Dawsons of the world.
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It won't really matter per one writer
Kevin Goldstein
Are you people still blathering on about Jack Morris? The world ends this year, he’s not getting in. Stop it.
In those first 5 players elected
By all accounts Mathewson, Johnson and Wagner were wonderful people and had the highest integrity. Babe Ruth had his off-the-field escapades and feuds with Yankee management but he was not seen as a cheater. Ty Cobb was certainly racist and to say he wasn’t popular with other players would be an understatement. Also Cobb and Tris Speaker did have one accusation raised about fixing games or betting on baseball in their career.
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Ty Cobb wanted to play, but none of us could stand the son-of-a-bitch when we were alive, so we told him to stick it!
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Stewart Mandel (SI writer) on BCS discussion on changes:
Jim Delany on Plus One: Four years ago five of the seven founders didn’t want to discuss it. Today we were all open to discussing it.
Its just Stanford plays LSU
OKSU playes Alabama, then winners play each other.
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I don't think so
I think they’d play the bowl games based on historical tie-ins (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, etc.) then re-rank after that’s done and take the top two teams and play in a NCG. Hence, the plus one
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Would have likely been maneuvered if at all possible to have LSU (1) vs Stanford (4) in one bowl (say Sugar), then Alabama (2) vs. Oklahoma St. (3) in another bowl (Fiesta), with the winner facing off a week later.
Or something like that.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The University of Oregon plays the following teams at home for their nonconference schedule next season:
9/1/12 Arkansas State Red Wolves
9/8/12 Fresno State Bulldogs
9/15/12 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
I’d like to blame the BCS for this too.
I'm not an expert on bowl game economics
But I don’t think the Sugar Bowl would be too happy about this arrangement. One team’s fanbase doesn’t need to travel, the other isn’t exactly known for travellign.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think you’re way is probably right anyway, if only because of the Rose Bowl. If one of the top four teams is from the Pac-12 or Big Ten, but their opponent isn’t, that would mess up the whole “Final Four” aspect. So I think you are right in that they would stick to whatever tie-ins are available then just have the top two meet after all the bowls are done.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
this just obscures the main point. the bcs isnt about crowning a champion, its about making money.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 10, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sure it is about making money. But it is too much about “certain” people only making money. The ones with the cash cow are not willing to share. By creating a truly fair playoff system those profiting heavily now may not profit as heavily in a fairer system because there would be more hands on the cows teets.
I just wonder if the conferences blow up the ncaa first before any meaningful changes get made..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Which is one reason why folks don't think you get a sanctioned playoff system
since then, the NCAA would be involved with any TV contract
Other than cable providers, I’m not sure who’s going to get rich in a playoff system. I still think a true (fair) playoff requires the complete killing of all bowl games (with the exception of 1 neutral site championship game like the Super Bowl of college football) which means local economies lose out on travel money. As BH says, you’d have the NCAA negotiating the TV contract so it’s not like the Arkansas State’s of the world are goign to see a big wind-fall there. I just don’t think the economics behind a playoff are as big as you think (if they were, they would have done it by now.)
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
You could play playoff games at major bowl sites. Could even have the higher seeded teams pick the site of the game (of the available sites that round) if having a regional team in each stadium is a big deal. All the other bowls would go on as normal since they are nothing more than exhibition games as it is now.
We’ve been down this road before, but my contention is that wouldn’t work because fans (not to mention students of these schools) can’t afford to go to two neutral site games, particularly since travel would have to be booked on short notice (assuming you wouldn’t have 2 months of down time to make travel arrangements like you do now.) They might try something like this for a few years, but they’d ultimately scrap it once fans have to ration which game they’ll go to (do I go to the sure game, or gamble and save my money for a NCG that might not happen?)
So you lose the gate and the local revenue and all you gain is more TV revenue (even though ESPN paid out the ass for BCS rights now anyway despite it being a terrible system.)
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
So make the first round of playoff games home games for the higher seeded team
then have the winners play in the bowl game.
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Yeah, there are multiples solutions that are magnitudes better than what we have now or the plus one system.
For Joe Sports fan who wants the best television experience possible, sure.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, that’s how it’ll have to work (IMO.) First two rounds (I don’t want just a 4 team playoff because that’ll be the same bullshit we have now) would be at home team sites immediately after the season, and then neutral championship game (basically the Super Bowl.)
I still think there are a few problems with this. I don’t think it will result in significantly more total revenue. It will make for a great TV event but as I mentioned you lose local revenue and gate money and networks already pay top dollar to broadcast BCS games . And I do think there’s something to be said about the appeal of bowl games. If you don’t appreciate the charm of bowl games where it’s a bit more fan/alumni/student oriented vs. the corporate no-fans, luxury box experience of the Super Bowl, that’s fine, but I do appreciate it. I don’t think you need to make college football a minor league NFL.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Let's just say
you had these eight teams in your playoff (just picking AP Top 8 for illustration purposes only).
(8) Boise vs (1) Alabama
(5) Arkansas vs (4) Oregon
(6) USC vs (3) Oklahoma St.
(7) Stanford vs (2) LSU
First round bowl sites: Dallas, Tempe, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay
2nd round sites: Pasadena, Miami
Finals: New Orleans
(These rotate every year)
Alabama picks Tampa Bay to host Boise St.
LSU probably picks Dallas to host Stanford
Oklahoma State probably picks Philadelphia to host USC
Oregon picks Tempe to host Arkansas
Let’s say top seeds all win.
Alabama picks Miami to host Oregon
LSU picks Pasadena to host Oklahoma St.
LSU vs Alabama rematch at New Orleans.
Seven top bowl sites all used with most having a regional team which helps defray travel problems. Plus I think you can sell tickets to lots of these games considering how big of a deal college football is in this country. I think the TV ratings would be way higher which would more than make up for any lost ticket sales if there were.
I don’t think there’s anywhere near enough wealth to have fans/alumni/students travel to 3 venues (even if they are drivable for one of the two fan bases) and book hotels on short notice. There would be slippage where fans hedge and wait until the championship game assumign that’s a realistic goal.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ticket agencies would have to work awful fast.
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And USC vs. Oklahoma State would be played at 1/8 capacity at best. I doubt there’s a ton of fans of those teams who say, “yup, I’ve always wanted to watch a quarterfinals game in Philadelphia during winter time.”
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
At least it would be really neutral, neutral site, zero fans from either school. A game played in stillness, with the only noise the players struggling to breath as the cold impedes the lungs ability to produce oxygen.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Moon Bowl 2027: What Goes Up Doesn’t Necessarily Come Down
by kinbote on Jan 10, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But
the problem is that for fans of those teams, not many are going to go 3 playoff games and local fans are not going to be interested enough to fill up that stadium.
ha ha
Just for fun I googled Golden Gloves Gurnee to see if I could have some fun. Two of the first four stories are TBLA stories about gold gloves.
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Hopefully Kershaw isn't a tough sign
No middle ground for him, IMO. It’s a either a one year deal or a 5-6 year deal.
As much as I love the guy, there’s probably very little upside to us locking him up this offseason vs. next. What’s he gonna do: win 30?
How much more expensive could he get than right now? I think we’ll end up signing him long-term eventually, but it probably won’t matter that much financially if it’s now or next offseason. He will be paid like a Verlander and deserves to be. It’s not so much a hedge against anything bad happening but rather an excuse to save the big ticket for next year.
at some point you stop being able to ask for a discount
and have to give him full value ala kemp
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not really
we have him under contract for years now. I guess you could say he is going to get paid wellenough now this year that it doesn’t matter and he can live off that for the rest of his life, but still
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The upside is the certainty that he’s here for at least two years after free agency.
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The upside is to lock him in now at something close to your number (from the Dodgers’ standpoint) rather than have him win in arbitration this year and have his next two salaries after that artificially bumped because of a high starting point.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
You might get into this in your Kershaw arb article
But do you think there’s a real shot that the Dodgers work out a long term deal with CK that buys out FA years?
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Before next season, yes. But I’m not sure it happens until the new owner gets here.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see why not. Hell if you use it as a way to avoid arbitration you could end up saving money in 2012.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the Jags should draft Brandon Weeden and have him compete with Gabbert. Low risk, high reward.
or they could try to get a reciever for gabbert to throw to
Gabbert was pretty terrible, but unless you get some recieving weapons, drafting brandon weeden isn’t going to accomplish squate
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I tried to squate but I was unsteady and fell over
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then suck because you didn't fill any other holes
hell that didn’t even work out for the Falcons, and the Falcons have far fewer holes then the Jags
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Forget Blackmon then
How bout a good FA receiver like Vincent Jackson?
Then draft Weeden.
Done and done.
Nate McMillan was one of my favorite players and now he’s my favorite coach.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
because live is a curve
I could see us losing to Portland then beating the Heat and Lakers
or
I could simply see us losing all three
or
winning all three
At this point I have no idea what to expect from the Clippers who are not my own but some frankenstienian all star team coached by someone over their head.
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With the grace period over, can we freely judge Don Mattingly next season? Seems he earned a bit of a free pass this year.
1. Nice person
2. Manages like everyone else
3. Seems to motivate some players (Kemp) others not so much (Uribe)
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And always
Scratches his chin during interviews.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 10, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he did here. I think we were appropriately critical when he screwed up.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
As long as we keep calling him
D2X
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
explain it like i'm 5
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Fox asks judge to reject settlement between #Dodgers and MLB. Fox wants team sold but wants to see entire settlement first.
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Fox wants more money
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Fox threw a hail mary. About to fall incomplete.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Without giving it much thought, I would guess that means Fox doesn’t want Frank to have any say in who the club is ultimately sold for. Not sure how that immediately advances their interests unless they think they can lean on Bud to only accept bids that would keep the existing Fox deal (no shot.)
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing Fox can do is hope that their current contract stands
and that they can spend May-October convincing the new owner that they should extend their contract.
I do think that Fox remains annoyed that both MLB and McCourt teamed up their once bosom buddy and possibly forced them to show their hand (i.e. how much they will pay for the extended rights) before they have to declare.
Fox wants to touch the Dodger doll where money comes out
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
"Using the doll, show the court where Fox touched you."
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Just replaces Cordero, a wash from 2011. They are in serious need of outfielders unless they are going to convert Frazier and Francisco into left fielders.
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Sands for Francisco might be a fair deal. We get a power hitting, defensively challenged left hand hitting 3rd baseman, they get power hitting, right hand hitting outfielder.
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Wow, a man that walks half as much as Silverio didn’t think that was possible.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Really kind of eerie
All of the mountain passes (including Ebbetts Pass) are still open over the Sierra. In January!
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM PST reply actions
Whatever you do
avoid the “veal”
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Tioga FTMFW
I was up in Yosemite last week end, a once in a lifetime (or at least a first since 1933) that you can drive over tioga pass in Jan. I did not partake because I do not skate, but there was about 50 people skating on Tenaya lake, and an equal number walking around drinking beer.
by MammothDodger on Jan 10, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Donner rarely closes. Unless you’re, like, in a wagon train.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 10, 2012 3:37 PM PST reply actions
What is baseball's salary cap
money-wise. Red Sox fans discussing the possible signing of Kuroda are stating that it would put them over the cap and they’d have to pay luxury tax. Any idea? Doesn’t seem like something we need to be worried about though.
178 million this year, 189 from 2013-2015.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Which is doesn’t jive with what Sox fans are saying since Cots has them at 136 with 20-25 million in arb payments incoming.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Does that list deferred payments too
I know they are paying Manny around a million or so for then next decade or so.
Cots is usually pretty bad about that stuff, at least as of now it says we’re not paying Manny.
But unless there’s some massive payment that they don’t have listed, the only way Kuroda sends them over the threshold is if they think he’ll get 15 million plus.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Probably
at least for the first half anyways. After Aaron Rodger’s 6th TD pass the ratings would die out.
Nope
Now maybe total households yes because there are more and more people in the U.S. But the highest rated Super Bowl all-time is 49.1 back in 1982 for 49ers vs. Bengals. In 2010, the Saints vs. Colts did a 46.4 rating and was seen by the most households in history at 53.6M.
The all-time record for a single show was for the final episode of M*A*S*H at 60.2
if saints vs colts got a 46.4 which was close to the record
why couldn’t a tebow vs green bay super bowl beat that and also break the record?
by Brandon Lennox on Jan 10, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Because neither of those teams single handedly saved a city from a hurricane
its a true story, espn told me so
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The capitalization makes the post.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN's Alabama-LSU BCS title game Monday drew 14% of U.S. households.
CAPTIONBy CHERYL GERBER, AP Iimages for Allstate
That’s down 8% from last year’s Auburn-Oregon title game. But the game managed to escape setting a new record for the lowest-rated BCS title game ever: The USC-Oklahoma game in 2005 drew a 13.7% rating while Miami-Nebraska in 2002 drew a 13.8% rating.
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or it wsa the worse
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/01/10/bcs-ratings.ap/index.html
Basically, fuck you BCS for giving us a shitty game.
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sounds like a pirate move to me..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 10, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
If he actually makes it to us, it means teams with nothing to lose don’t want to bother with him. If the Astros and Pirates don’t think he’s worth taking a chance on that’s a huge warning sign.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
possibly a warning sign that their organizations suck at fielding good baseball teams
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Maybe, but the Pirates have certainly never been scared to throw waiver bait in the outfield.
Martinez does have one option remaining, so I guess if he does get to us why the hell not?
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
arthritic knee’s
If a team like the Met’s can’t even find a place for him then why bother
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Yeah that’s my main concern.
He’s still only 23 and had decent numbers in the IL last year.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Finally saw Moneyball
I’ve seen sports guys critique it for not depicting that world accurately, but god damn on an emotional level that movie was fantastic.
Me! That was me who critiqued it for not depicting that world accurately!
but it was good regardless.
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is it just me or is this a thin field for best picture this year?
compared to last year at least
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Don’t know why but it bothered me greatly that a film like Hugo was ignored but pap like Arthur and Chipmunks roll in the money. What is the incentive to make a quality movie.
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Chipmunks was good. Millions of little kids wanted to see it. I took two of them. Not sure who took the others. Might want to put the kids movies in another category.
I think he is thinking of hugo as a kids movie
although my bro told me it wasn’t really a kids movie, it just happened to have kids in it. There is a fine line between family movie and kid movie I think.
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The worst is Devil Inside made 33.3 million
and apparently is just terribly awfully irredeemably bad.
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Yes, that is more my point. That POS that the public yearns for is what they will get.
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The Artist (haven’t seen)
The Descendants (want to see)
Tree of Life (haven’t seen)
The Help
Hugo (want to see with clock-obsessed son)
Midnight in Paris (?)
War Horse (?)
Saw all but War Horse and Tree of Life. All good, none great.
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Saw none of them. Enjoyed Dragon Tattoo and wanted to see Taking Shelter very much. Can’t believe Descendants can approach Sideways heights [widths?].
I liked the american version of dragon more then the swedish version
better adaptation of the book imho.
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and I hate to piss everyone off
but I prefer to hear not read the dialogue.
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I like doing both. I would not mind seeing the dialoge while watching some foreign English movies (Irish, Scottish, English) always takes me a few minutes to get in synch.
I like the sound of other languages.
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I'm ok with reading dialogue for some movies
its just not my preffered way. I watched the American version of let the right one in because I was feeling too lazy to read at the time.
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I liked them both though I really don’t need to see a rape scene to know a rape scene happened. If I was home I’d simply have fast forwarded through it.
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I get that they want to make more money
but the title The Men Who Hate Women at least gives people an idea that the movie might be a bit… unsavory.
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First and foremost, let me praise the female form! I hate those kinds of scenes for several reasons.
- They’re hard to watch
- As Phil said, you don’t have to show me a simulated rape to sell me that the dude is evil. Show me it is going to happen, pan to something or fade (old school style) with the sound trailing that slightly, for example
- Knowing that this is a movie and staged, I find myself torn between the hideousness and heinous of the act being portrayed and observing the quality of the curvature of Rooney Mara’s ass. And that juxtaposition bothers me.
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as for bullet point 3...
from my brain to your fingers.
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it's not as good as Sideways
but is good nonetheless. Neither comes close to Election, which I think is damn near a masterpiece
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Really? I have only seen parts of that here and there. Might have to watch the whole thing some day.
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I thought Election was average at best. Liked Sideways a lot more.
by Michael White on Jan 10, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Family wants to take me out to dinner
for my birthday this weekend. Where should I go?
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Always a good choice for nice but ultimately non offensive.
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by regfairfield on Jan 10, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I was choosing between Houston's and Ruth Chris for my anniversary
and then somehow we ended up at the Melting Pot
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First and foremost, let me praise wives!
You know what the somehow was, she chose. And Ruth’s Chris is better than Houston’s, though more expensive. That said, I’ve only eaten at Ruth’s Chris because I was given a gift card from there; we used it at a Vegas location.
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yeah I was trying to decide if it was worth it for us to spend the extra to go to ruth's chris
and the wife was onboard with steak, but then she took a left turn the morning of
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First and foremost, let me praise cattle! What is the great steak place you have raved about a couple times that sounded so good? Go there.
Speaking of old men, we are taking mine out for dinner this weekend too.
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Nikkan Sports: Yankees has 1yr/15.5 million dollar contract ready for Kuroda
Consider the source and the idea that Kuroda would hesitate on 1/15.5 but what else is there to talk about?
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he’s holding out for the red sox! :)
by G.Scott on Jan 10, 2012 6:09 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
First and foremost let me praise Pasteur and Koch!
I suspect this will be unenforceable if not legally, then due to lack of funding. As the article says, the similar state law is already not enforced.
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David owns this thread like no one has ever owned a TBLA thread.
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First and foremost, let me praise praise!
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For those that love Trading Spaces
and who doesn’t, the price of Orange Juice on the commodities market skyrocketed after tainted foreign orange juice was found in two brands.
Lots of great lines in that movie
Billy Ray: No thanks, guys, I already had breakfast this morning.
Mortimer Duke: This is not a meal, Valentine. We are here to TRY to explain to you what is we do here.
Randolph Duke: We are ‘commodities brokers’, William. Now, what are commodities? Commodities are agricultural products… like coffee that you had for breakfast… wheat, which is used to make bread… pork bellies, which is used to make bacon, which you might find in a ‘bacon and lettuce and tomato’ sandwich.
common phrase between my family members
“Looking good Billy Ray!”
“Feeling good Louis!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
might need a new thread soon
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 7:30 PM PST reply actions
Some daylight
Shaikin:
The court battle over #Dodgers TV rights is over. Dodgers have agreed to honor existing Fox contract in exchange for end to Fox litigation.
Fox agrees to withdraw motion to kick #Dodgers out of bankruptcy, objection to sale agreement between McCourt and MLB.
With Fox likely winning on appeal of TV rights ruling, tonight’s settlement lets #Dodgers get on with the business of selling the team.
hahaha
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
that deal
ends after this season right?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
2013.
The deal that ends in fall 2012 is the exclusivity to Fox to negotiate future rights beyond 2013 season. What Fox didn’t want to do was tip their hand to another competitor before working with new owner to sweeten deal (and I think include an immediate raise to 2013 rates if they agreed to extend now).
so Dodgers will do the auction thing in Spring, Fox has exclusive window to negotiate new contract through season, after that, TW can swoop in and pay billions for Dodger TV rights
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
unless they buy the team for $1.2 billion instead of paying 4billion for tv rights only
by G.Scott on Jan 10, 2012 7:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
IIRC, it’s because Fox owned the team that the Dodgers have their current under market value contract?
by Josie Becker on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
yes ma'am
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
thanks
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 10, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
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