Hiroki Kuroda Escapes To New York
by Eric Stephen on Jan 14, 2012 8:34 AM PST
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PrintHiroki Kuroda is now a member of the New York Yankees, going to the Bronx for a reported $10 million for one year per ESPN. He will be missed.
On September 27, I wrote this about Kuroda heading into what was his final start as a Dodger:
Kuroda hasn't yet made his decision whether to come back to the Dodgers or return to Japan. He has been a very good pitcher in his four years in Los Angeles, and is a player who not only wants to win but wants to win as a Dodger. It would be great to have Kuroda back for another season, but if tonight is it, thanks for everything Hiroki.
Ned Colletti managed to turn a Kuroda decision of "Dodgers or Japan" which was heavily slanted toward returning to Los Angeles into "neither" through his flurry of two-year deals for mediocrities this offseason.
Who would you rather have?
- Kuroda for $10 million
- Juan Rivera, Jerry Hairston Jr., and one of Aaron Harang or Chris Capuano for $9.25 million in 2012 and between $10.25 million and $13.75 million in 2013.
The Dodgers made their choice. I think they chose poorly.
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The Colletti Legacy
Stockpiling replacement level players at the expense of better players and counting on a career year from them.
The bonus is year 2 of the contract!
by Mel Gibson's Liver on Jan 14, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Slight correction:
Stockpiling aging* replacement level players (who will get hurt anyway).
Ned is an idiot wrapped in a moron inside a buffoon.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 14, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
As the Buffoon in residence, I take offense to calling Ned a Buffoon. That man is just plain incompotent.
by Grimjack on Jan 14, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Last Dodgers pitcher coming off a 200-inning season to sign as a free agent with the Yankees was Tommy John in 1979.
Last Dodgers pitcher coming off a 200-inning season to go to the Yankees was Kevin Brown, who was traded after 2003 season.
36-year old Tommy John won 21 games and finished second in the AL CYA balloting in 1979, and won 22 games in 1980.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 14, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
You could even keep Hairston (whom I like and think will be solid) and just scrap Rivera and half of Capang. Pay Kuroda $7 million in 2012 and backload a $3M-$5M signing bonus on next year’s books.
Ned talked about being creative; this would have worked and also given Sands a legit starting job.
by silverwidow on Jan 14, 2012 9:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
this would have worked and also given Sands a legit starting job.
This I suspect is exactly why it wasn’t done. Ned has a pathological fear of youth.
by EMDarrow on Jan 14, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even when that youth (Gordon, Sands, De La Rosa, Sellers, Eovaldi, Jansen, Guerra, Elbert, Lindblom) bails out the crappy team of veterans that he assembled in 2011 and salvages the season. So he just doubles and triples down on more crappy veteran free agents in the off season who are even older than the crappy ones he signed in the previous off season.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Just wait until Roy Oswalt takes less than Kuroda did.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Ned make booboo.
But really, the markets for Hairston, Rivera, Harang, and Capuono were so strong, and the players so irreplaceable, that we HAD to move early on them.
by UCLADodger32 on Jan 14, 2012 9:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Was Kuroda asking for $10M back at the time before the Dodgers signed Capuano? If Capuano wasn’t such a fly ball pitcher, I’d call it a push.
He was asking for 13m. Or at least that was how the speculation was going.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 14, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
If that’s the case, then that is the number you have to go by, not the $10M. I have no proof of this of course, but I got the feeling that this offseason knowing he was selling the team, McCourt gave Colletti the marching orders to fill out his roster as much as possible without any long term free agent contracts that could bog the team down financially and to do it ASAP.
Just bog 'em down for the next year or two
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 14, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Low risk I’d think as more of a kind of 5m deal,1-2 years, rather than 8m
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 14, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Except the person who tied Ned’s hands was himself. A lot of the players he signed (Juan Rivera, Harang, Capuano, etc.) could have been replaced by players in the minors right now.
Ned signed early because that’s what he wanted to do.
And because he's dumber than a box of rocks
by The Dude Abides on Jan 14, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yawn
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 14, 2012 11:46 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Hey, a box of rocks wouldn't have signed Rivera and Harang
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I assume you’re talking about Aaron Harang, and he hasn’t reached those totals in three years. Not even in Petco Park.
Did I say easily replaced?
But could a pitcher like Nathan Eolvadi could approximately provide the same value of a Harang or Capuano, and still have enough money to sign Kuroda or Fielder?
Let me put it this way, do I think Eolvadi can produce a 1.4 WAR, than yes, I think he can over a full course of the season.
by Tripon on Jan 14, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This has been Jim Tracy theater, starring Tripon.
by EMDarrow on Jan 14, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Not right now
I don’t mind Cap, it’s the “ang” part that irks me.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
I just wonder if the front office felt they couldn’t keep getting more career years out of a 37 year old Kuroda.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 14, 2012 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Perfectly reasonable until you add “so I will sign Aaron Harang instead”.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 14, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Good luck Hiroki!
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 14, 2012 9:37 AM PST reply actions
Good luck Hiroki, you will be missed.
With that being said I would like to sent a hearty GDGFY to Ned Colletti. Yes Ned we know that Aaron H had a winning record last year, but he had also got to face the Dodgers line up and that helped. I don’t think that Aaron or Chris will be able to keep games close like Hiro did. Chris is 5 innings and a clowd of runs style pitcher that will run our bullpen ragged. He has higher BAA the deeper that he goes into games. I hear rumors that the Redsox may be kicking the tires on the Night Stalker, so we need to look at who is available to start on the cheap. We could see some of the kids that are down on the farm being brought up due in part to the lemon party that Ned seems to want to hold this season.
by Grimjack on Jan 14, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good times for a change
See, the luck I’ve had
Can make a good man
Turn bad
So please please please
Let me, let me, let me
Let me get what I want
This time
I like Bobby V.
"Pineda, when I saw him the first half, he looked unhittable," Valentine said. "Second half, he looked OK. (The Mariners) saw a lot of him and they traded him.
"Kuroda is a good pitcher — a year older than he was last year, pitching in the American League and not the National League, pitching in not a great pitcher’s ballpark from a great pitcher’s ballpark."
Throw in Ledezma/Castillo as possible LHP
by Eric Stephen on Jan 14, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
When we do roster predictions again, Grabow and Fields will probably be on my list.
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
Plays the corners. RH bat with some pop. Had a decent rookie season for White Sox in 07, but struggled next two years. May have had an injury, but not positive. Played For KC last year and had a .810 OPS, but only 50 PA. I think he gets a good look as a RH bench option with some pop.
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
B-Pro decided to unlock their archives to everyone. This is Kevin Goldstein's prospect list for the Dodgers 2011 farm system
Five-Star Prospects
1. Dee Gordon, SS
2. Chris Withrow, RHP
Four-Star Prospects
3. Ethan Martin, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Aaron Miller, LHP
5. Scott Elbert, LHP
6. Trayvon Robinson, OF
7. Garrett Gould, RHP
8. Ivan DeJesus Jr., SS
9. Josh Lindblom, RHP
Two-Star Prospects
10. Kenley Jansen, RHP
11. Kyle Russell, OF
Four More:
12. Andrew Lambo, OF: He isn’t an athletic corner outfielder, and is instead a bat-only prospect who might not have enough bat.
13. Allen Webster, RHP: A highly projectable righty, Webster has the potential to rocket up this list after his 2010 full-season debut.
14. Pedro Baez, 3B: He needs to overcome an injury bug and plate discipline issues, but his tools remain outstanding.
15. Nathan Eovaldi, RHP: This Tommy John surgery survivor was kept on a short leash in 2009, but he was brilliant at times while showcasing one of the more live arms in the system.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10024
I would've thought
Kenley Jansen being 2 stars was enough.
*repost from above
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
agreed Eric
Ned chose……poorly
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I feel like Ned tried to use statistics and ended up being that kid in second grade that thought 1+1=11
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
So ned then would be Ralph Wiggum and not
Clancy Wiggum.
Ned’s just playing Wiggle Puppy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 1:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would've thought Kenley Jansen
being a 2 star would have…
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Pierre Thomas
Got knocked the F out
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 1:50 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
looks like some hitting going on in San Francisco.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 14, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I could be your Hiro baby
I think we need to replace the “There goes my Hiro” meme
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
We Don't Need Another Hiro ?
Wait, that doesn’t work. How about some Bowie? “We could be Hiros, just for one day”?
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by David Young on Jan 14, 2012 2:02 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Indeed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 2:12 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
or a worse start
For the Saints
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 2:16 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I loved them with the points
Too bad I didn’t act upon it with my bookie connections
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Live betting.. currently has the 49ers as 10 point favorites. They were something like 3 point dogs before the game.
The Saints are like the opposite of the cattle in Firefly. They see sun and forget who they are. #twitter
by Josie Becker on Jan 14, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
nice
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 2:28 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
We never new the real budget
In an October 19 article on ESPN it was reported that the Dodger budget could go up or down and might even be higher than last year-then came the Divorce settlement. It is my belief and the fact that Ned does like to budget shop, he never really committed to Kuroda nd when the budget changed he was screwed. Also buy the fact that Kuroda saw he had one year left and wanted to try and go out a winner.
In the end Ned saw that he could get two cheap items, rather than one good one Cap and Harrang and that is what he did…..Some say divorce can be the gift that keeps on giving-wonder how many years we will have to suffer.
I wonder if she shops the 99 cent store
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
i meant he
fruedian slip. ned is like a woman who impulse shops. do men impulse shop?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
They needed that TD
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 2:35 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
"The Dodgers made their choice. I think they chose poorly."
Amen, Eric, amen. I look forward to Ned defending this next winter when he’s a part-time commentator for the MLB Network.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jan 14, 2012 2:37 PM PST reply actions
well lookey here
We got ourselves a football game
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 2:50 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
sure
But would it be in time? Turns out yes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 2:58 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
the niners just might be good at this defense thing
by Josie Becker on Jan 14, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
but their pass d is pretty middle of the road by ypg. turnovers I’m sure they are good at though. Teams might just throw at them a lot because they stop the run so well
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
thats just how good the saints offense is
the niners are a top d.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
it’s a great shade of red, no clutter, and obviously they sell well
by Josie Becker on Jan 14, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
the difference between whoring and merchandising is [redacted]
by Josie Becker on Jan 14, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
good football so far
now lets have a good 2nd half for once
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hanging
Out at my favorite South Bay sports bar, Mr. Pockets in Manhattan Beach
by bhsportsguy on Jan 14, 2012 3:27 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Would a new owner move spring training back to Vero Beach?
Any chance of this happening?
Has Camelback been a success?
right
Why move away from the fan base?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 3:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Still plenty of Dodger fans in Florida.
Plus, the fans that are close to Arizona can see them all year regardless.
modern facility in Camelback
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 3:43 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
which is pretty much
How all the new spring training sites work. I enjoy going there and it offers fans a great experience,
by bhsportsguy on Jan 14, 2012 3:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Camelback
Is something McCourt did right
by bhsportsguy on Jan 14, 2012 3:42 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
As a child of ten
I saw the inside of Candlestick Park probably more than any NFL stadium. Soft spot for the Niners
my Dad went there once for a Dodger/Giant game
In the 60s. Said it was unbelievably cold, and the game had to be delayed due to fog. Also said Frank Howard hit a home run over the CF fence.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Niners showing they were no fluke this year
They’re a balanced and very well-coached team, and physical. With NO flying (nearly) cross-country and playing outside, and the Niners being disrespected by the oddsmakers, I could see this coming.
Now just finish the job, SF.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Saints lead
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 4:45 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I’ve been calling for them to roll out Smith all game…guess they were saving it
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
And all of them are angry
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 4:55 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hell of a play
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 4:55 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
hurry up and end this niners
I need to move from watching football on my couch to watching football on someone elses couch
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
WOW!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 5:03 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
And got the 2
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 5:04 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Niners got greedy on D
- went for the ball, just tackle the dude
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
What a game
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 5:10 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Quick score for NE
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 5:21 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Kuroda not being apart of LA's future
sad to say. :( Will miss Kuroda. Always wanted to get a Dodger Kuroda shirt.
Side note, are the Dodgers in pursuit of Prince Fielder?
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
more
likely they sign Prince William
by bhsportsguy on Jan 14, 2012 6:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
(need Josie for a British joke)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 6:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Instant Poll
Should I drag my tired ass off the daybed and go watch the UFC fights at my father-in-law’s?
Nope
but you should watch Lakers/Clippers
by Eric Stephen on Jan 14, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
go watch the fights
Ya lazy so and so
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 6:23 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
you have it
I hath spoken
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 6:34 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Niner game
Was the funnest game I’ve seen in awhile. And with Tebow losing his wings, an overall good day of football.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Oregon’s Darron Thomas declares for NFL Draft
Wha???
He graduates in the spring so he’ll at least have a degree. I see no way in hell he gets drafted though.
This should help USC’s PAC 12 title chances even more.
sick knockout
To start the UFC show
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 7:39 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
couple of great KOs
I think that DQ will be overturned
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 9:27 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t care how many 40-point games he has, Kobe shoots the ball too damn much for the Lakers to win sustainably and for my enjoyment of the game.
Bynum is underutilized.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
not disagreeing
But Bynum also needs to prove himself more against double teams
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 8:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
yup
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 9:01 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kobe
Is soon to be the 5th leading scorer of all time. Scorers shoot the ball a lot. He will probably retire as the 3rd leading scorer behind Karl Malone and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
He is probably the best player of his generation and he won’t be replaced when he is gone.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 14, 2012 8:54 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Damn Straight!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 9:02 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
i think kobe will break the all time record
if he averages 22/per game, he’d only need 6 more seasons or so.
All about mileage. Not as easy as it sounds.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 14, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
it's incredibly hard
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 9:35 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
he’s this new millenium’s Jordan, but Jordan had a way better PR department.
by Josie Becker on Jan 14, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
no one is doubting his talent
but you’re not beating good teams on a consistent basis with this Laker offense. I’m watching the Clipper broadcast on NBA TV and they can’t believe how the Lakers are wasting the presence of Bynum and Gasol. Even when the bigs get the ball they’re getting them in the wrong spots.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Clipper broadcasters bad mouthing the Lakers
I am shocked. Shocked I say!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 10:17 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
they were very fair
Like they have a history of doing that? C’mon, take off the Laker blinders
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
they aren't on
I’m just not putting the loss on Kobe
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 10:25 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
fatigue probably has more to do with it tonight
but I hope the Mike Brown offense consists of more than “let Kobe do whatever the hell he wants”
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Too much excuses
Clipper have a better overall roster. It’s not that hard to believe is it?
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Clippers are good, but I’m talking about the Lakers maximizing their roster.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 15, 2012 6:42 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
yeah but he's not Dirk
he shouldn’t be shooting 20 footers
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Bob Nightengale
Barolo Colon says he has agreed to a deal with a team but won’t divulge te until he passes physical
A’s or D-backs
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 14, 2012 9:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dude barely speaks English and he’s still an upgrade over Ned.
by EMDarrow on Jan 14, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dodgers Spring Training Reporting dates:
Pitchers & catchers: Wednesday, Feb. 22 (38 days)
Full Squad: Tuesday, Feb. 28 (45 days)
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Good return by the Texans
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 10:06 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Oh Jacoby Jones
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Dumbpants
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 10:20 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Gio Gonzalez
Gets a 5 year extension from the Nats, not bad.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 11:12 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
holy crap
Great play by Foster
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 11:16 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
hooray
It’s a game again
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 11:21 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
without that jacoby fumble
texans are outplaying the ravens
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
the record for rushing yards againt the ravens in the playoffs
WAS 91. It is now 95, at the half
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and then the media
Gets two weeks to hype up that match.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 11:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
My point is that the media won’t have anyone to blow for two weeks. Would be nice.
by silverwidow on Jan 15, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
yeah cause if there’s one thing media types are terrible about, is finding a storyline and writing and producing TV segments about it
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the one match-up that has the least superficial shit going for it. It’s all about the football and the defense and the running games. Old school, which is what I like.
by silverwidow on Jan 15, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Old School like Joe Namath in People magazine? or old school like Jim McMahon doing the Super Bowl shuffle?
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
How so?
You have a Texans team who had never made the playoffs before this year. Nope, can’t come up with a story there. They also have one of the 5 best WR’s in the game and one of the 5 best RB’s in the game (who wasn’t even drafted). There are stories everywhere with the Texans.
And the 49ers? Really? With their history?
Neither team gets the hype that the teams on the East coast get right now but believe me you’ll be just as sick of hearing about them as you would be any other team in football after the 2 weeks of hype leading up to it.
just so we’re clear, when you and silver say nat’l media, you mean ESPN
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
SI is a thing
so is NFLN. So is CNN Fox News etc. They do do some coverage of sports.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
it’s not NFLN doing entire episodes dedicated to Tebow. I’ve never SI go completely all in on one figure, tough to write a 2000 word article that’s just fluffy praise
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
it
Would be the coaches and 2 QBs you would not expect to be in the Super Bowl.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I saw more than one article yesterday comparing Alex Smith to Joe Montana. This is what happens.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you
That game would be epic. I want a 56-52 game. Lol
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by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2012 12:49 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
mystery solved
Colon going to the A’s
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 11:57 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Anatomically correct
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
You get 3 points and the field position wouldn’t be but 20 yards.
With a good defense and struggling offense I believe in putting points on the board whenever you get the opportunity.
If you’re going to go for it on 4th down, then have Rice leap over the LB who’s attacking him low and extend the ball over the plane of the goal with his arm. Would have been a TD, and if he loses the ball it’s either already a TD or Houston takes over possession anyway.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
JJ
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 12:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
great
Punt coverage is Baltimore’s highlight today
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 12:38 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I do not want that quarterback in the Super Bowl
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
typical heart attack texans
are we sure its 2011 and not 2009 or 2010?
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awful decision making by Yates
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by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
That was just a bad decision.
I dont think a perfect throw could have made that a completed pass..he was covered by 2 guys
Its a rookie QB against the best secondary in the league
it sucks but it is what it is.
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then why have that rookie QB go deep against the second best secondary in the league?
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
because its within 2 minutes and you have to score a TD
what are we supposed to do, take a knee? plus, andre johnson
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and the one that Yates couldn’t hit just now
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
2 minutes and 2 TO’s left
There was plenty of time. They could have ran the ball if they had wanted to.
and now Yates goes for the hail mary rather than trying to get a new set of downs. Sure.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
get a new set of downs
and then watch the clock run out, yay.
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I rewound and rewatched
there was a guy spying yates. No way he gets the 2 yards and to the sidelines
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I’m fine with that last call. At best you get a new set of downs so that you can do the same thing a play later.
with no check down receiver? It seemed a bit premature to go all in
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
josie they have no more time outs
and almost no time left. This is what happens in those situations. You act like you have never watched a team try to score with 40 seconds left before.
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“The band is out on the field!!!!”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 1:19 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
i'm not going to be upset
at wanting to take a shot at AJ in the end zone. I’m just not
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In that situation I would be. There was just no need to go for it right there. Not into double coverage with Ed Reed being one of the guys in coverage. Too much time on the clock. Run your normal offense. If need be go for a play like that later on.
Our normal offense involves taking deep shots at andre
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A rookie throwing into double coverage (especially when one of those guys is playing incredibly deep to begin with) shouldn’t be part of any game plan. It can be part of a game plan against different coverages but not that one.
its like you never have watched a texans game before
throwing picks into 2 or 3 man coverage on andre johnson is a staple of our offense. Yates learned well from Schuab.
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That doesn’t mean it should be part of the game plan.
And honestly I don’t watch that many Texans games that don’t involve the Titans.
that was humour
with a u. Schuab is known for throwing one wtf pick every game, usually when forcing it to AJ with 3 guys covering him.
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its rough
and its even rougher when you can say that other then that stupid fumble, I think this game has been completely even. UGH.
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You think Yates will be on the roster next season?
by Julio Nievas on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely
he is our backup QB going into the year next year.. Why should one bad game agaisnt the best secondary in the league change that?
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Because I know nothing about the Texans and just wondering how good he was.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 15, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
he has played very well for a rookie
he led us to wins against the bengals twice and the falcons. He has a ton of potential. He may never get there, but I like what i’ve seen this far.
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Don’t get carried away, now.
Rookie had a bad game against an elite defense on the road in the playoffs.
Kinda pisses me off though because the Texans seemed like they had a good season…then go to shit for inadequate QB play from a 3rd stringer. C’est la vie in the NFL I guess..
by Julio Nievas on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
we missed our punter almost as much today
and mario williams, and caldwell would never have been in the game to get that false start if briesel hadn’t fractured his leg a month ago and andre just never looked 100 percent today after missing 9 games. AND AND AND. Ugh injuries killed us, so so so so so so so close. It was a great year though.
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Switching to the 3-4 was a great idea. I’ve never seen linebackers play so fast on a squad before.
by Julio Nievas on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Wade runs a one gap 3-4(pretty much everyone else runs a 2 gap)
so it was a much easier transition then I expected. Barwin is simply put an athlete. Played Basketball in college, and only played D for one year in college(was a TE before). Cushing is just a monster but you know that. Meco had his best game all year, which is great because i’ve been worried about him coming off his injury. Reed… total Wade pick. Just an unstoppable motor. This D is just fun to watch.
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wow
That was an abysmal idea. There were 4 defenders at the least for 2 wr
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by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
It’s not called a Hail Mary because it gets completed all the time.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
should have gotten the first at a sideline
Then get another couple tries closer to the end zone
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by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2012 1:13 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good passing offense against a good passing defense. That plus Ray Rice should be able to run free against the Patriots. I caqn see it being a good game.
Patriots are a great passing offense.
All up to whether or not the Pats D can play great two weeks in a row, I think.
The Ravens are better than good in their pass defense. “Good” was just the word I decided to go with.
I think it could be a real good game. It could be ugly though. We’ll see.
I contend ravens have the best and deepest secondary
but Reed is seriously banged up. He was hurt coming in and looked even worse going out today.
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The Ravens inability to put pressure on Yates is my biggest worry for them (I’ll be rooting against the Ravens so it’s not really a worry). If they can’t get pressure on Brady then their secondary wont have a chance.
Our O line has been epic this year
Bengals couldn’t get to Yates either. The Ravens are one of the few teams that has any chance to actually match up with the recievers that the pack and pats can throw at you, they are just really deep.
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Patriots have won 9 games in a row and averaging 37 points a game during that stretch.
Steelers only team thats held them to fewer than 20 points in a game this year.
at the very least they compare favorably to the steelers(weighted they are better but who trusts advanced stats?)
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at least my predicition that the Ravens wouldn't cover the spread held
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with schuab the Texans win that game
I really believe that.
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tough luck dude, you probably would rather not be debating semantics with me when your season just ended
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
All in all though the season was a success
I would have been crushed if they lost last week, but this I can take. The future looks bright.
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I gotta tip my cap to the Ravens recievers
they made some great catches
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Should the Packers win
the NFC and AFC title games will be 1v2 and 1v2. Hasn’t happened since 2005 playoffs.
since going to six playoff teams in 1991, there has never been a year where a road team didn’t win a wildcard or divisional playoff game
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
easy comeback
Must be hard to be a Cal fan then.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I
Am the opposite in that regard
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 2:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
most people are, I like being contrarian, and I like the roar of a home crowd as opposed to schadenfreude in their silence : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
USC plays their games at the Coliseum, and their nickname is the Trojans. America loves ancient Rome
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I was more referring to the underdog Christians always losing, but yeah, decadence and empire is what America is all about
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
I wonder if Christians being fed to lions was a more regular occurrence than gladiator fights.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
that was then
This is now
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 16, 2012 6:19 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He’sa cookinga somethin up
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 2:08 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
great run
D needs to use their arms
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 2:11 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Discount Double-Check!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 2:19 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
IF Rodgers runs for 1st down
THEN repeat line one
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
the ball is already gone before any part of his body is down
worst call i ever seen that was actually reviewed by replay
Pereira agrees
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 2:28 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fox touting that the entire cast of Napoleon Dynamite returns for the cartoon? I for one am shocked that they were all available. Oh wait.
unless
Uncle Rico can throw a football over a mountain, I ain’t watching.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 2:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
and Fox paid for two of the actors to be in the crowd at Lambeau? They must really have a lot invested in this cartoon.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
They must have had a “If it doesn’t improve week 1 to week 2, then pull it” plan cause I’ve never seen a comedy disappear from the schedule that fast after getting a fair amount of publicity.
I see it going the way of Allen Gregory.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
ABC was killing the airwaves with the “Work It” Promo and Fox is doing the same thing. The heavier the Ad campagne the more I worry about the end product. Allen Gregory is slipping into a Hypothermic sleep.
ugh
allen gregory is terrible. Seriously terrible. One of the jokes was LOL gregory got the teacher in trouble instead of the principle so now to keep her job she has to have sexual contact with the super intendent. Yeah, thats not funny fox.
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Work It got canceled already? LOL
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 2:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Jon Heder is the nephew of former running back Vai Sikahema who played for the Packers (though only for one year and he played for two other teams).
Only connection I could find online.
On Tecmo Super Bowl, my friend would always say “Vai Vai” to taunt if he returned a kick for a touchdown with Sikahema. Still makes me laugh to this day.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Jon Heder and Efrin Ramirez are at the game
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 2:48 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
and they looked as into as Zooey Deschanel at the World Series
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
that
Actress looked a non-bespectacled Tina Fey
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 2:56 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Boley
Discount Double-Check
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 3:05 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Hakeem
The Dream
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 3:10 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
He likes football more
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 3:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
nope
Don’t forget the walk off in Game 6
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
when he calmly repeated his father’s line?
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not called a Hail Mary because it gets completed all the time.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
though
The packers were also looking for the short out
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 3:16 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
we are a half
A way from Baltimore vs. New England being played at 10:00 a.m. next Sunday.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 3:19 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
In just about two hours I will be on my way to death.
Cause of death: Heart attack at indoor soccer facility.
You’ll be fine if you stretch
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 3:32 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh man
What a sloppy effort from the Pack. Oh well, fuck ’em.
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TO
For OSI
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
More and more it really doesn’t seem to pay to be the #1 seed in sports playoffs, with the NBA as the exception.
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I think most teams will take a week off and staying home, it’s just not a guarantee of success
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
and?
they got to play the broncos because they where the number one seed.
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it's luck of the draw
they could have played a healthy Steelers team if things worked out differently. All I’m saying is that maintaining excellent play and dealing with expectations and hype in an era of more and more intense media scrutiny (and longer playoffs of course) makes it harder than it used to be to follow through with a title on the promise of a top seed.
I’m not being reactionary here, look at the facts in the NFL and MLB in the last decade or so. The NHL is the best example.
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they’re not really facts, more just stuff that happens. You’re venturing into “they looked scared” territory
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Oh come on
I’m not imagining things. They are way off today, like the Colts were as a #1 seed a few times after the “resting the regulars” stuff. All I’m saying is that longer playoffs and expectations multiplied by more media scrutiny have leveled the playing field. It’s less of a guarantee than it once was, but I never said it was EVER a guarantee.
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so it’s never been a 100% guarantee, but now it’s some percentage n less of a guarantee that it was
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
my argument then would be that the Wild Card teams often have better records than the worst division winner, so the wild card era has increased the difficulty level in the playoffs across the board, but the Giants were still the worst division winner.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
according
To an article I just read, NFC number one seeds were 19-2 in their first round game in the playoffs since 1990.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 4:50 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would
Guess not that many.
In a one and done situation against fairly equal teams, you probably have a margin of just a few points.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 4:56 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
this game wasn’t to go to the Super Bowl
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I see you trollin' :)
That’s what I meant when I said:
harder than it used to be to follow through with a title on the promise of a top seed.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
some data
This article is from a few years ago, but has some data.
From 2000-2008, of those 9 Super Bowls, 8 No. 1 seeds (of 18) made the Super Bowl, and one (2003 Patriots) won.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Where was a healthy Steelers team coming from? Or are we just saying that if injuries didn’t happen then the Steelers would have won last week? If that’s the case then if the Packers were fully healthy (injured O-line, injured Jennings, and injured Jenkins were all big issues this game) then this game could have just as easily been different.
so the problem for the Packers is that the Giants, who struggled down the stretch and had to beat the Cowboys in the last week to make the playoffs, were just too good of a #4 seed.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
they would lose to the saints and 49ers today too
they are playing like poo
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exactly, you can’t just say oh being #1 made them play like a team without talent, they’re just playing like a team without talent. Correlation≠Causation
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
and there’s nothing about being the #1 seed in baseball that means you can’t make the WS, playoffs are just random, end of.
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
it doesn’t pay to be any seed, then. There’s no advantage to where you are seeded, outside of the advantages I’ve already spelled out
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I take the blame for jinxing the Packers with my “there’s never been an offseason without a home loss” stat
I was so excited about getting to use that stat in an article
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
I see what happened, my stat combined with this stat to make a perfect storm:
DanWetzel: Since 1998, only one defending Super Bowl champ has gotten past Divisional Round (04 Pats)
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
At the very least, you should have a Wetzel’s Pretzel to alleviate the pain. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
turnovers
Killing the two best offenses in the league
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
thank goodness the Giants came to their senses and went back to their traditional uniforms
by Josie Becker on Jan 15, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
it
Looks this will be both a non-repeat NFC champion (last repeater was 97-98 Packers) and non-repeat Super Bowl winner.
If 49ers win next week, they will be the 11th different NFC representative in the Super Bowl since Rams played Patriots in 2002.;
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 4:32 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
since 1999
11 out of 16 NFC teams have gone to the Super Bowl.
One of the teams that have not gone is the Lions. Can you name the other four.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 4:39 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
yep
This is where the parity argument arises in football.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 4:44 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
As a Bears fan I guess I should relish the Packers’ demise but I really dislike the Giants from days gone by, so go 49ers is what I’m saying.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
As I told Mike this morning
I have the least amount of hatred for the NY Giants among the remaining teams, so I will root for them. But I’ll root for whichever NFC team wins in the Super Bowl.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Big potential winners
people who bet on the AFC +6 in the Super Bowl or whatever it was a few weeks ago when the Packers and Saints were the overwhelming favorites.
well
I see more State Farm commercials with Jessica now in the future
by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2012 4:58 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Goodbye and Good Riddance
In answer to the question whether we would be better of with Kuroda or the two pitchers acquired for half his salary, the correct answer is “None of the Above”. Resigning Kuroda at his asking price would have been a big mistake. Signing the two “replacements” was also a big mistake. Mistakes are Colletti’s calling card.
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