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Dodgers 2012 Minor League Countdown: 130 - 121

Here is the 8th part of my Dodger minor league rankings heading into the 2012 season. As we get closer to the halfway point, I'm sure the names will become more and more familiar. This particular group of players has some real wildcards in it, including three 2011 draftees who all seem to have a strong fastball. There are also a few guys signed as international free agents who could be big movers (either up or down) after the upcoming season.

130. Garrett Bolt, RHP (8.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 23rd round
6’4”, 215 lbs, 22.5 years old
0-2, 6.48 ERA, 2.04 WHIP, 4.88 FIP, 14.04 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Garrett Bolt grew up just a half hour away from where the Great Lakes Loons play. He watched Clayton Kershaw pitch for the Loons in 2007, and shortly after he set his high school’s record with 122 strikeouts in a single season. After graduating Bolt attended Muskegon CC where he had an outstanding season in 2010 (1.19 ERA, 35 K's in 29.1 innings). Upon transferring to Western Illinois, however, things didn’t go so well for Garrett as he threw 17 innings and had an 11.65 ERA with just 10 K's. The Dodgers didn’t mind his ugly stats because they knew he had a 95 mph fastball and a good slider, so they decided to select Bolt in the 23rd round of the 2011 draft. After the draft, Garrett said “It would be pretty awesome (to pitch for the Loons), because everyone from around my hometown could come watch. (Being drafted) is a step closer to what I've always wanted to do." Bolt signed quickly and threw 9 games out of the Arizona Dodgers bullpen before getting shut down for the season in mid July. In his limited professional debut Garrett was a bit wild, but he posted great strikeout numbers. I love Bolt’s size, and with his mid 90’s fastball it appears that he could move quickly through the system. A move to the Loons bullpen in 2012 isn’t out of the question, although he’ll probably start the year in extended spring training since he saw such limited action last season.

129. Jordan Roberts, LHP (71.1 IP in HiA in 2011)

Drafted by Dodgers 2008, 28th round
6’2”, 200 lbs, 26.25 years old
7-4, 3.03 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 3.28 FIP, 7.32 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 129; Pre 2010 Rank: 152; Pre 2009 Rank: 150

Jordan Roberts was a first team All-American out of the NAIA college Embry-Riddle in Florida and was selected by the Dodgers in the 28th round of the 2008 draft. In his senior season at Embry-Riddle, Roberts finished the year 12th in the NAIA in ERA (1.94) and ranked 24th in K/9. His professional debut in 2008 was a little rocky, but since then Jordan has been very good. He had a 2.70 ERA and .216 batting average against with the Ogden Raptors in 2009, then as a follow up he posted a 2.95 ERA with the Loons in 2010. In 2011 Roberts spent the year in the California League and again had a great season with a 3.03 ERA through 71.1 innings. He was one of the Quakes most effective relievers, and despite his unattractive strikeout rate he posted a solid FIP of 3.28. At the end of the day I’m not sure how hard Roberts throws or what types of pitches he has, but he’s been solid so far in his professional career and he’s poised to make a move to AA. The 26 year old lefty may never make it up to the big leagues, but he should be a solid organizational talent over the next few years.

Follow the jump for #'s 128 - 121

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128. Michael Thomas, LHP (13.2 IP in Pioneer Lg, 21.2 IP in Arz Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 35th round
6’2”, 185 lbs, 23 years old
2-3, 4.58 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 3.06 FIP, 12.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

When the Dodgers drafted Michael Thomas in the 35th round of the 2011 draft, they may or may not have known that he already had a connection to the organization. You see Mike’s grandfather, George Thomas, was a teammate of Tommy Lasorda way back in 1950 when they were both members of the Montreal Royals. That team was managed my Walter Alston, and the team finished 2nd in the International League that season. For his career, George Thomas played 7 minor league seasons and finished his career with a 4.45 ERA. Getting back to Michael, the left hander spent four seasons at Rider University and he left there as their all time leader in wins and strikeouts. He had a career 3.53 ERA in college, but really thrived as a senior when he went 9 – 3 with a 2.34 ERA and 92 K’s in 96 innings. Thomas signed quickly with the Dodgers and made his professional debut in the Arizona Rookie League. At 22 years old he may have been a little old for the league, but was pretty dominant in his 4 starts and 8 relief appearances with a 2.49 ERA, a 1.78 FIP, and a K/9 of 14.1. That earned Thomas a promotion to Ogden for the final month of the season, but he struggled with the Raptors and posted a 7.90 ERA over 13.2 frames. I’m not too concerned about Michael’s performance in the Pioneer League because he’d already pitched a full college season, so I’m sure he was fatigued as the year was coming to a close. Heading into 2012 I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas got a chance to play for the Loons given his age and experience, and based on what I’ve read and seen so far I think he could be a bit of a steal as a 35th round pick.

127. Francisco Villa, RHP (15 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)

Signed by Dodgers before the 2011 season
6’0”, 194 lbs, 20 years old
1-1, 7.80 ERA, 1.93 WHIP, 4.33 FIP, 9.00 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

The Dodgers signed Francisco Villa out of Mexico as an 18 year old, giving him a bonus of $80K. I couldn’t find any scouting reports on him, however, so he’s a bit of a mystery to me outside of what I see on his player page. Francisco turned 19 on April 1st, and then made his professional debut in the Arizona Rookie League where he spent the season in the Dodgers bullpen. He had a tough season as he recorded a 7.80 ERA over 11 appearances and had a .348 batting average against, but one positive was that he struck out a batter per inning. In addition, he is still very young so that gives me some hope that he’ll improve as he gets older. Heading into 2012 Villa will probably return to Arizona for another year of Rookie ball, especially since he only has 15 professional innings under his belt.

126. Freddie Cabrera, RHP (10.2 IP in HiA, 21.1 IP in Pioneer Lg, 15 IP in Arz Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 26th round
6’5”, 210 lbs, 22 years old
2-2, 5.94 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, 5.18 FIP, 6.89 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

A Puerto Rican native, Cabrera played at his college ball at NAIA school Central Methodist and as a junior he went 6 - 4 with a 3.06 ERA through 82.1 innings. Rumor has it that he as a 95 mph fastball, so the Dodgers selected him in the 26th round of the 2011 draft. Freddie started his professional career in the Arizona Rookie League, but then received a surprise promotion to the Rancho Cucamonga Quakes in July. Cabrera had a tough time in the California League, however, and eventually ended the year in the Pioneer Rookie League. His overall stats were relatively unimpressive, but a mid 90’s fastball and a solid pitching frame give me hope that he has future as a Dodger prospect. In addition, he played ball in the Puerto Rican Winter League this offseason and threw very well with a 2.63 ERA over 24 innings with a .220 batting average against. My guess is that Cabrera will start the 2012 season with Great Lakes where he’ll get a shot in the Loons starting rotation.

125. Josmar Cordero, C (42 games in DSL in 2011)

Signed by Dodgers 3/10/10
5’10, 175 lbs, 20.5 years old, bats right handed
.283 average, .779 OPS, 2 HR’s, 20 RBI’s, 4 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 156; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Josmar Cordero was signed out of Venezuela prior to the 2010 season, and had a very solid professional debut. Cordero built upon that success in 2011 as he improved virtually all of his offensive stats, increasing his average from .255 to .283 and his OPS from .705 to .779. For the second consecutive season he also showed strong defensive abilities behind the plate, and was praised by Baseball America for his solid “catch-and-throw skills” in their 2010 international signee roundup. Given his age and success in the DSL over the past two seasons, I definitely expect Cordero to make the jump to the Arizona Rookie League in 2012. A good season there could really put him on the map as a legitimate Dodger prospect.

124. Carlos De Aza, RHP (33.1 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/24/07
6’3”, 178 lbs, 22 years old
2-2, 7.02 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 4.61 FIP, 6.75 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 94; Pre 2010 Rank: 67; Pre 2009 Rank: 127

In his professional debut in 2008, De Aza was awful in the DSL as he posted a 6.53 ERA and 2.08 WHIP. Then in 2009 Carlos completely turned things around as he recorded a 1.30 ERA through 27.2 innings and allowed batters to hit just .149 against him. His stellar 2009 season earned De Aza a promotion to the Arizona League in 2010, but he had a rude awaking as he got dominated by the more advanced competition to the tune of a 7.13 ERA. Despite his ugly stats, the Dodgers decided to promote De Aza again in 2011 as he found himself in the Ogden Raptor’s bullpen. Unfortunately De Aza again struggled in his new environment as his ERA was over 7 for the second straight season. He does have a good pitching frame and he did show some improvement year over year as he lowered his WHIP and FIP from 2010 to 2011, but overall De Aza mostly seems lost. Heading into 2012 Carlos will be just 22 years old so he still has time to improve, and I’m sure he’ll return to the Pioneer League where he’ll try and produce some better results.

123. Enlly Morales, 2B (25 games in Pioneer Lg, 3 games in Arz Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/12/07
5’11”, 168 lbs, 22.5 years old, bats right handed
.264 average, .639 OPS, 0 HR’s, 10 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2011 Rank: 91; Pre 2010 Rank: 73; Pre 2009 Rank: 91

Signed after the 2007 season as an international free agent, Enlly Morales had a strong professional debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2008 and then was even better in the DSL in 2009. That earned Morales a promotion to the Arizona Rookie League in 2010, but since coming to the US he’s been quite unimpressive. Over the past two seasons he’s accumulated 153 at bats in Arizona and 77 at bats with the Ogden Raptors, but has just 11 total extra base hits (all doubles). That led to a combined OPS of about .630, which just isn’t going to cut it. He also doesn’t have much defensive value as a 2nd baseman, so at this point he’s probably lost most of his value as a potential prospect. I’m sure he’ll stick around for a few more seasons since he is still just 22 years old, but unless he really catches fire in 2012 he’ll be nothing more than an organizational player.

122. Steve Smith, RHP (69.1 IP in HiA in 2011)

Signed by Dodgers before the 2008 season
6’2”, 210 lbs, 25.75 years old
5-5, 3.63 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 3.78 FIP, 7.66 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 124; Pre 2010 Rank: 141; Pre 2009 Rank: 160

Steve Smith was signed by the Dodgers in 2008 as a non drafted free agent out of the University of New Mexico, where he was a teammate of fellow Dodger minor leaguer Brian Cavazos-Galvez. He wasn’t overly impressive during his senior season with the Lobos, posting a 5.01 ERA and 58 strikeouts in just under 74 innings, but the Dodgers decided to give Smith a chance anyways. Smith struggled in his 2008 professional debut, but he has dramatically turned things around ever since. He spent two seasons in Great Lakes and was one of the Loons most effective bullpen arms, posting a 2.67 ERA in 67.1 innings in 2009 and a 2.69 ERA in 73.2 innings in 2010. That earned Smith a promotion to the Quakes in 2011 where he again served as an important bullpen arm. Smith was used mostly as a late inning reliever for Rancho Cucamonga and collected 9 saves throughout the course of the season. His strikeout rate wasn’t great, but he had a decent ERA and FIP and was surprisingly effective against left handed hitters who batted just .203 against hin for the year. I remember watching Smith pitch live at a Quakes game last season, but I don’t remember his velocity or types of pitches. Heading into 2012 he could receive another promotion to AA, but at 25 years old I’m not sure that he has the stuff to ever make it to the show.

121. Andrew Pevsner, LHP (42.1 IP in LoA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 16th round
6’3”, 205 lbs, 23.5 years old
1-1, 4.25 ERA, 1.72 WHIP, 5.23 FIP, 7.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 96; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Andrew Pevsner is a southern California native, and as you’ve probably heard by now he was born on the day that Kirk Gibson hit his famous World Series home run. Coming out of high school Pevsner didn’t get a lot of attention from Division I colleges, so he decided to go to the Division III Johns Hopkins University because it has strong academics and a respectable baseball program. As a freshman he only threw about 80 mph, but a workout regiment increased his velocity to the upper 80’s by the time he graduated. As a senior in 2010 Andrew had a 4.17 ERA, but struck out over a batter per inning and only allowed a .209 batting average against. He wasn’t really sure he’d get drafted, so he was surprised to get picked relatively early in the 16th round. After the draft he said “It was literally a dream come true. I think it took me about 48 hours for my heart to slow down and to stop shaking.” Pevsner made his professional debut in the Pioneer League where he had a very good season in terms of ERA (1.91). However he struggled a little with control and allowed a few homers during the season, which is why his FIP in 2010 was 4.26. After the season Pevsner said his goal was to make a full season league out of spring training, and that’s what happened as he spent 2011 in the Loons bullpen. Unfortunately “Pevs” struggled against the more advanced competition as his strikeout numbers dropped and his walk rate increased leading to a very high WHIP. I’m guessing his lack of velocity also contributed to his less than stellar season. Last year I speculated that Pevsner could eventually develop into a left handed specialist, but opposing lefties hit .281 against him last season so at least for the moment that seems unlikely. In 2012 Andrew will almost certainly spend another season in class A, I’m just not sure if he’ll be back with the Loons or if he’ll play with the Quakes instead.

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hawksworth made a lot of people angry on twitter

but I don’t know why

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Made comments that would be against the rules of this blog.

by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll give you a hint: it won’t be discussed here

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

ah I figured it out

its religion/politics

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Does it have anything to do with Erin Hawksworth?

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

If it does it would dissapoint you

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

And he retweeted from G. But must have deleted his offending tweet.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not big on the tweet lingo but when you say

he retweeted from G.
goes that mean God was originator of the tweet or is there someone else so big they go by G?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

scotty boy

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

G.Scott

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

So when I tweet my normal awesome tweets, you all say P tweeted the shit out of that?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Is your handle P Gurnee?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

There are two types of men

Those who name their dicks and those who don’t admit it

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I taken to calling it the Kershaw but my wife insists on calling it the Lilly

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

So you should avoid day "games"

TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion

by Ivdown on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Could be worse. Bride calls mine the Padilla Soap Bubble.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Time for Xeifrank to chime in a say we have hit a new low

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

This is not worse than when we talked about shitting.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the Hebrew Hammer?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that better or worse than being called Jamey Carroll cause it’s small and gritty?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

At least that’s a slap hitter.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 17, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

what's the problem there?

I would rather call mine something associated with home runs rather than something associated with strikeouts.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 17, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Kid K has a nice ring to it.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Your sn starts with “Phil.” G. Scott’s starts with “G.”

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

he tweeted something, i responded with a dissenting opinion, he retweeted me but did not respond, some other people responded to me, i responded to them, he deleted both his original tweet and the retweet of me. Then I unfollowed him. It’s really pretty simple and clear.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Mr. Bolt has my interest.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

Enily Morales is why I will not pay any attention to what happens in the DSL.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

Yes Josie I would

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

It doesn’t matter if we would. It also doesn’t matter if the new owner would.

Paul DePodesta is not about to subject himself, his family, and his team/organization to a repeat of the experience he had last time he was here.

He may GM again, but it will be in some other town. When he is successful, TJ Simers and Bill Plaschke will talk about “a different DePodesta who learned his lessons in LA.”

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Never say never Humma. New ownership all the old rules are out the window, they will want to bring in the best GM money can buy, they won’t give a shit about TJ Simers or Bill Plashke. The odds are long but I’ve seen worse questions asked. Every day.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I probably have not seen worse questions asked, but I wanted to answer this one. Better then asking which pinstripe you like

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve seen worse questions asked

Oh sure. Me too. Mostly asked by me.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You can’t always take that road. You never ask questions.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

True or False: Humma never asks questions.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Lincecum

per Hank Schulman:

Giants offered $17m
Timmy wants $23m

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

Does Timmy know he’s a pitcher on the downside of his career:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

He mostly knows that he really likes Funjuns.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

he gonna get paid

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Just so I could be wrong again, I tweeted a guess of $10.5m/$7.5m for Kershaw’s figures.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

And then it’s settled at $9M I suppose

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He’ll get $7.5m in the first year of a long-term deal, with a $500k signing bonus :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m feeling better about my guess now.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh shit

Hendricks brothers done fucked up here…

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t surprise me if they won. All they have to do is argue Kershaw is worth at least $8,250,001.

But I think they settle.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That midpoint is right on the line where it wouldn’t surprise me if they settle. Something like 2/20, with 7 this year and 13 next? I don’t know if that’s too big a raise or not — trying to backload it, as is the Dodgers’ wont.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It is such that I wouldn’t be surprised if either side won an arbitration hearing, but the gap is too wide for them not to settle IMO.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

No two year deals, please.

Dodgers filed too low, Hendricks filed too high.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Midpoint of $8.25? Way I understand it, all the Dodgers have to do is convince the arbitrator that he’s worth less than the midpoint and they win. I think they just might be able to do that.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

So, numbers should be coming out for Kershaw soon

Or are these numbers only leaked, not explicitly made available to the press?

by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Sort of leaked I suppose, but the AP usually gets them through sources, and agents seem to want to release it.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re gonna need a bigger bridge.

by kinbote on Jan 17, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Villa seems to have procured a pretty nice bonus for himself. I’d have to think he can bring some heat.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

maybe tweetdeck is better at it

then the official site

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Brandon rules
Andrew Pevsner is a southern California native, and as you’ve probably heard by now he was born on the day that Kirk Gibson hit his famous World Series home run

by kinbote on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM PST reply actions  

Ned on 710
Dodgers
Tune in to hear #Dodgers GM Ned Colletti discuss the Ethier & Loney signings at 3:15 pm on @710ESPN Radio

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM PST reply actions  

It’s pretty amazing how many guys are getting drafted in the mid-late rounds who throw 95. Not even 10 years ago guys like that would be millionairres drafted in the top 2 rounds regardless of anything but a radar gun reading.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

F U Bill Bene.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

More like, it’s amazing how many more guys throw 95 now than a decade ago. The scientific approach to mechanics, year round play and detailed training programs are pretty incredible.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

nah, the scouting when it comes to guys like that has been the same for forever

“Hey, my kid throws 90+. I should get him checked out” /calls high school coach

“Hey, high school coach, mind taking a look at my kid. He throws over 90” “sure.” /calls local college coach buddy and local scout

“Hey, I just heard about a kid with a live arm. Want to put together a workout?” “Sure.” “Sure.”

/Kid throws 90. Gets scholarship offer, waits for draft position. If draft position bonus > scholarship intrinsic value + extrinsic value, goes to pros.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You keep saying that, we keep disagreeing

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m okay with that, Phil.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Top of the line defuser comment. Others?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

How about:

Clink!

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

this thread sucks, but whatever

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

No, that is agitating, especially the whatever

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You can be long all night wrong, I no longer give a fuck

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

sir

While I disagree with what you say I will defend to the death your right to say it.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

at the end of the day we’re bunch of intolerable know it all fucks, aren’t we?

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s one way of looking at :)

by kinbote on Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Finks.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 17, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

A kid I grew up topped out mid-90s and was drafted by the Astros in the first round. It’s too bad he blew out his arm and never got only got a sniff of AA.

by ishXdavid on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure any team has accumulated more bleh pitching then the Rockies since the trading deadline. It is like they asked for the muddled masses of mediocrity

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

Context free comment I made to myself
Is that an amphora you are pouring or are you just happy to see me?

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

loney drives in runs!

runs I tell you!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Ned pimping RBIs hard.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

better than John Ireland, not knowing how the arbitration process works.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

what do you expect from a Leprechaun?

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

less forehead, more green.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

These are not the droids you are looking for

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

if they have so much leadership

why so much PVL

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically

they are good clubhouse guys.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Simply bring back Casey Blake

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I like working with good people rather than dicks

I try to hire people who are good to work with rather than dicks

Call me Ned

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you should try hiring talented dicks and see if you have a better return

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I know just the guy ☺

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ha ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I appreciate it but I'm already...

no wait he said talented didn’t he

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, we are all dicks in a pond, but only a few have the talent to go upstream

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't really blame him

since I said last year that if you were going full rebuild, you needed to think about dealing them since no one else team was going to bring you back much.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He wouldnt trade for anyone 1 for 1….. But yeah thats easy question.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ned likes leadership

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

if he likes it so much why doesn’t he marry it

/3rd grade

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Too many leaders spoil the broth or something.

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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are talking about too many Native American leaders and not enough Native American non-leaders

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

they are magically delicious!

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

these guys are morans

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

you are sweetness

Walter Payton’s ghost nods approvingly

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

since when?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Good thing he did not blow a bunch of it on a dime a dozen right hand hitting outfielder/1st baseman past his prime

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

“Don’t spend it all in one place”

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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If you spread it around just right, you can get multiple useless players instead of one good one

/justbeingsnarky

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

career years baby, lookin for those career years.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

What pitchers are making more then 20Million per year?
CC

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee
Johan
Halladay is right at 20

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

hell teammate vbarry zito makes 18

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

peavy at 17.33, weaver at 17 now. Peavy will be paid 22mil in 2013.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

So those four?

I agree with Craig

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The number to watch is $19.25 million, the midpoint.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

5 season, 2 cy youngs, 4 all stars, finished 6th and 10th in CYA voting the other years, world series winner, led the league in K’s 3 of 4 years, finished 5th in ERA last year. he made $15mil last year. It’s really a toss up.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He made $13 million last year, or maybe $14 million if you count the $2 million signing bonus as $1 million each year.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

But that contract was way below market value.

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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

But it’s a market of one player. Lincecum is not a free agent. He just happens to occupy the nebulous special circumstances area that comes with two Cy Youngs in your first three years.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, but none of us actually know what happens in arb hearings so the case “Lincecum took way less money than he should have in 2011” might work really well.

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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I always assumed it was whoever gave the arbitrator the most without it looking like a bribe and that while they may appear to be listening to both sides the mind is made up before the event happens.

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Everything is greased is it not? Don’t you grease some your jobs? Laker Tickets? Whatever to make the client happy

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t grease, I will entertain, but I don’t and won’t grease

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

So, for the record, no lube?

by Grimjack on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Marlon Brando says butter’s better.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 17, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

and this is the process of most RFPs

The vendor is chosen before the RFP goes out and then everyone spends tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars going through an elaborate charade when we all know what is going to happen

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You cannot argue that point

You can only use what Lincecum has done and what comparable pitchers have done at his service time. Is that worth making over $20M prior to becoming a free agent.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

When was the last time a guy with two Cy Youngs went to 4th year arb?

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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

When he hasn't gotten any CYs more recently

I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base

by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It is

but he asked for a scenario and I’m giving him one. Though it is not to the point since its the same guy.

I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base

by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Why, his last two years of production has clearly slid from his Cy Young level two years ago? The arbitrator may not care that his K/9 rate has dropped each yea, that his walk rate is going up, but they will care that he lost 14 games and only won 13.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

silly to think “yeah, we know you won those two cy young awards way back in 2008 and 2009, but what have you done for us lately?”

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not

Going off of fWAR (please feel free to let me know if this is true of his bWAR if anyone knows off hand) his value has nearly been sliced in half from the 2008-2009 to 2010-2011 seasons. He still has been putting up nice numbers, but that walk rate has gone up quite a bit, and his strikeout rate is still close to the top of the league, but not commanding like it used to be.

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by Ivdown on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t doubt it, but I’ll restate my preference to look at rWAR for pitchers and fWAR for hitters.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

A good man.

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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll go check in a minute, but I prefer the WAR based off of FIP (although the glaring hole is it does not take hits into consideration) rather than the WAR based off of ERA or ERA+.

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by Ivdown on Jan 17, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

So does Tim Leary, who was apparently better than Orel Hershiser in 1988.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

babip

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Lincecum’s bWAR the last 4 seasons:

6.9
6.3
3.6
4.4

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by Ivdown on Jan 17, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Just for fun, Kershaw the last 4 years

1.2
4.2
4.5
7.0

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by Ivdown on Jan 17, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

2012 – 9.5

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

could it be that the BBWAA, instead of voting for either Wainwright or Carpenter in 2009 or Brandon “Count The Wins” Webb in 2008, royally dicked the Giants?

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you BBWAA!

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by Ivdown on Jan 17, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Haven’t those two Cy-Young awards already been factored into his salary? The Giants would argue that he’s still gettting a significant raise from his Super Two arb reward.

by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s hard to ask for comparables to a guy that got an unprecedented amount in his initial arb hearing.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Another way to look at it, sort of reverse engineering it, is that there is a cap on whatever total salary he should earn. If the top salary for a pitcher is $25 million per (the extra years tacked onto CC’s contract), giving Lincecum $21.5 million in 2012 would only lead to a salary in 2013 (his fourth and final arb year) that would all but guarantee Lincecum to be the highest paid pitcher in baseball.

Would he deserve it? Maybe.

But the system is designed to hold down salaries prior to free agency, so the prevailing thought could be “Lincecum will certainly command a contract at the top of the market once he is eligible for free agency, but let’s have him go through the process first, just like everybody else.”

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The other argument that could work well is “Carlos Zambrano holds the record for a third-time arb-eligible pitcher at $12.4 million. We think shattering that record by 37% ($17 million) is enough for our stud pitcher.”

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

b-r said $14mil and i did no extra research than that

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It would help him more if his last two years were not merely above average instead of brilliant. Sub .500 record is not going to get him 23 Million from an arbitrator who has been taught how important wins are. Not seeing how he could win his case.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It is apparently $21.5 million, not $23m

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

ah, thus the midpoint you mentioned.

If they see the arbitrator I’d probably bet on the Giants.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Educate me, please

Several of the guys on this list can throw hard. Clearly power by itself isn’t enough to be successful.

Kenley Jansen relies on power, and he’s had a lot of success in a hurry. What’s he doing that these other guys aren’t?

A second pitch?
Command?
Late movement?

by Just Jake on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

yes

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

he has developed good movement and tends to keep the ball down in the zone. also, he pounds the strike zone like it owes him chicken mcnuggets

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Mostly movement

Since he tends to throw down the middle a lot.

@TElciram

by Taylor Maricle on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

at least it went from middle belt to middle knees

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Brandon

For doing all these prospect reviews.by the way.

I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base

by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM PST reply actions  

no problem

glad to get some fresh minor league names out there for everyone to discuss

by Brandon Lennox on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Cordero is going to break hearts.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Just as long as Scrapheat doesn’t come up soon

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

BH rocks

I’ve been to Jitlada twice since you tipped me off

Really good. Each time I went a member of our party ordered the Chef’s Challenge dish – it was so hot that the guy eating it was sweating, dripping snot, and crying non-stop….it was awesome

the normal food, like the Jungle Curry was still super hot, but tasty

it is now a favorite – I crave it

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Twice and you did call me

no worries, we shall rock it together. Did they get it with the pork, that dish is rocking.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

so basically a NBC Universal type of lunch?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

4 hours of non stop eating? im there!

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry man – next time

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

have you ever looked at the career of John Ireland and wondered why?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

every day

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Brilliant

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

A teacher once said I had a radio voice. I don’t buy it.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

My ex has an uncle who I thought should have auditioned for the Dodgers PA announcer job when they switched guys a few years back. I think you should come out to TBLA Fight Night and do the announcing.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He is

non-offensive generally and he got a great gig doing Laker games. Also Mason is a pretty good radio guy and they match up pretty well.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

on the other hand

McDonald makes it almost impossible for me to watch the Lakers

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I hate when he says Cash… everytime Gasol hits a jumper he says thats Cash for Gasol… I dont know why but I dont like it…. Sucks we lost Speiro…. Lakers have kinda gone all Dodgers lately as far as spending money… Yes I know they have the #1 payroll, but still.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Or he’ll say…. thats cash… money…. is he telling us that cash means money? Or is he trying to be Lil Wayne and say Cash Money??

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I could be wrong

but Spero wanted the flexibility to do both his CBS gigs (NFL and NCAA basketball) and the Lakers wanted him to be exclusive during the season. I think Spero has aspirations to being a network announcer so that is one reason why he left.

As for the hiring of Ireland and McDonald, I only wonder if these are placeholders for when the TW deal goes in effect next year.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He was expected to replace Joel Meyers as the team’s TV play-by-play announcer at the beginning of the 2011-2012 season, but instead signed a contract to do radio/TV play-by-play for the New York Knicks. You could be right about the flexibility thing… but I thought some rumors were that Knicks swung in last minute and offered more money, better deal… Ofcourse the better deal could be the flexibility thing.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

But seems like people felt if Lakers really wanted to keep him, they could have,… But who knows…. You are probably right about the placeholders comment, I sure hope anyways.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Mac has as much future with the Lakers as Murphy does.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

welcome to 2004

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That was my first thought.

by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

As a professional baseball player, "I had a glut of disposable income, and I traveled and was alone a lot," he said. "I was perfectly suited to be a hardcore gamer and if you look at the sports world today, I think there are more gamers than not, now, in professional sports by a large margin."

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Freddie Cabrera

One day starter for the all Cabrera lineup?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

3-year deal for Panda. No idea of the numbers

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

what a difference a year makes for the fans of Panda and Kemp

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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

2012, the year of CarGo!

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Andrew Baggarly has the details. Seems like a potential steal:

2012: $3.2 million
2013: $5.7 million
2014: $8.25 million

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, Zimmerman shakes his head

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense

Twelve teams use the 3-4. How many use the 4-3? And is there any other primary defense besides these two?

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM PST reply actions  

no

so the answer is 20.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

They run the 5-2 at some NCAA schools but that is very rare. When teams run traditional nickle and dime packages it turns the 4-3 into the 4-2 or 4-1. If you Run the Nickle or dime out of the 3-4 you might just end up with 3 down linemen and a lot of safeties and corners. Two strong safety / linebacker hybrids and 4 corners and one Free Safety.

by Grimjack on Jan 17, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks. This is pretty confusing tho.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Think of the 5-2 as a veriant of the 3-4 but your OLB have less cover assignmnets and more pass rush and run support obligations. In this style of defense you don’t have much zone, the corners have to man up and the safeties are floating. Free to the side that they are doulbling and strong will help with the TE and in run support.

by Grimjack on Jan 17, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

actually

many 3-4s transition to a 4 man front in nickel and dime packages, moving the OLB to DE.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

What about the “nickelback” defense: 3 × 3 × 5? Or, 4 × 2 × 5?

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

by latenite on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats not their base(silverwidow used primary but usually base is the term used)

defense. Depends on the team, but a lot of times you end up with 4 lineman as the primary rush backer will move to DE,and sometimes the other OLB too.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I would call that a 3-4 with a nickel package.

The only other (somewhat) common alignment would be a College 4-4 but like the name suggests, it’s mostly used in high school and college.

by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I have seen some NCAA teams run a 3-3-5 as the base but that is due to an inability to recruit.

by Grimjack on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

cough tcu cough

that and the spread

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The Nickelback defense is solid, but unspectacular, but is widely ridiculed by everyone.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Jan 17, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Outstanding
BillShaikin
#Dodgers have not ruled out long-term deal with Clayton Kershaw and will continue to discuss one-year and long-term approaches.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Provided “long term” doesn’t mean 2-3 years…

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

We knew this.

It’s not like Colletti is going to say, “Nope. We don’t want to commit longer than one year to Kershaw.”

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

BCS Thoughts

in the office next to mine. I am taking notes. :)

by Xeifrank on Jan 17, 2012 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

What are they saying?? Are you the one with the boss thats always talking sports with a coworker…. I need to work there,.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

What if he shines shoes?

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

best tips

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Then I guess ill go home and get my fuckin shine box…. im jk…. yeah I talk sports with my boss too, probably more so then we talk about work…. Luckily for me, we like all the same teams, except he likes the Rams.

by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, boss is a huge Packers fan and his office is next door to mine. So at the end of the day as people head out sometimes they chat up the Packers, but today one convo got side tracked in to BCS thoughts and about Miss Wisconsin/USA pimping for a date with Aaron Rodgers. Lunch room is always “sports thoughts”. You better like your sports or eat at your desk!

by Xeifrank on Jan 17, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

We have a pretty strict sexual harrasment policy.

by Xeifrank on Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

no real buzz about Prince for the past few days

The suspense is terrible…….I hope it’ll last :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 5:18 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Rangers or Nationals.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard Kevin is looking forward to the new coach at UCLA

by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Today is the deadline

to exchange numbers. Hamels and the Phils reached an agreement, did they not? Not an “arbitration award”.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 17, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Clippers are 1 – 41 at Utah, has to be a record of futility for any franchise. That will not change tonight.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

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Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

Totals
$115,942,869

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Current 40-man roster count: 42
(incl. De La Rosa & Hawksworth)

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Manager

Eric___ned___reporters_2011_trade_deadline_small Eric Stephen

Editors

100_1427_small Phil Gurnee

Dgy_small David Young

Hanauma_bay_small Chad Moriyama

2501_small Michael White

Raptors_small Brandon Lennox

Img_0103_small CraigMinami