Dodgers 2012 Minor League Countdown: 130 - 121
Here is the 8th part of my Dodger minor league rankings heading into the 2012 season. As we get closer to the halfway point, I'm sure the names will become more and more familiar. This particular group of players has some real wildcards in it, including three 2011 draftees who all seem to have a strong fastball. There are also a few guys signed as international free agents who could be big movers (either up or down) after the upcoming season.
130. Garrett Bolt, RHP (8.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 23rd round
6’4”, 215 lbs, 22.5 years old
0-2, 6.48 ERA, 2.04 WHIP, 4.88 FIP, 14.04 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Garrett Bolt grew up just a half hour away from where the Great Lakes Loons play. He watched Clayton Kershaw pitch for the Loons in 2007, and shortly after he set his high school’s record with 122 strikeouts in a single season. After graduating Bolt attended Muskegon CC where he had an outstanding season in 2010 (1.19 ERA, 35 K's in 29.1 innings). Upon transferring to Western Illinois, however, things didn’t go so well for Garrett as he threw 17 innings and had an 11.65 ERA with just 10 K's. The Dodgers didn’t mind his ugly stats because they knew he had a 95 mph fastball and a good slider, so they decided to select Bolt in the 23rd round of the 2011 draft. After the draft, Garrett said “It would be pretty awesome (to pitch for the Loons), because everyone from around my hometown could come watch. (Being drafted) is a step closer to what I've always wanted to do." Bolt signed quickly and threw 9 games out of the Arizona Dodgers bullpen before getting shut down for the season in mid July. In his limited professional debut Garrett was a bit wild, but he posted great strikeout numbers. I love Bolt’s size, and with his mid 90’s fastball it appears that he could move quickly through the system. A move to the Loons bullpen in 2012 isn’t out of the question, although he’ll probably start the year in extended spring training since he saw such limited action last season.
129. Jordan Roberts, LHP (71.1 IP in HiA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2008, 28th round
6’2”, 200 lbs, 26.25 years old
7-4, 3.03 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 3.28 FIP, 7.32 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 129; Pre 2010 Rank: 152; Pre 2009 Rank: 150
Jordan Roberts was a first team All-American out of the NAIA college Embry-Riddle in Florida and was selected by the Dodgers in the 28th round of the 2008 draft. In his senior season at Embry-Riddle, Roberts finished the year 12th in the NAIA in ERA (1.94) and ranked 24th in K/9. His professional debut in 2008 was a little rocky, but since then Jordan has been very good. He had a 2.70 ERA and .216 batting average against with the Ogden Raptors in 2009, then as a follow up he posted a 2.95 ERA with the Loons in 2010. In 2011 Roberts spent the year in the California League and again had a great season with a 3.03 ERA through 71.1 innings. He was one of the Quakes most effective relievers, and despite his unattractive strikeout rate he posted a solid FIP of 3.28. At the end of the day I’m not sure how hard Roberts throws or what types of pitches he has, but he’s been solid so far in his professional career and he’s poised to make a move to AA. The 26 year old lefty may never make it up to the big leagues, but he should be a solid organizational talent over the next few years.
Follow the jump for #'s 128 - 121
128. Michael Thomas, LHP (13.2 IP in Pioneer Lg, 21.2 IP in Arz Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 35th round
6’2”, 185 lbs, 23 years old
2-3, 4.58 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 3.06 FIP, 12.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
When the Dodgers drafted Michael Thomas in the 35th round of the 2011 draft, they may or may not have known that he already had a connection to the organization. You see Mike’s grandfather, George Thomas, was a teammate of Tommy Lasorda way back in 1950 when they were both members of the Montreal Royals. That team was managed my Walter Alston, and the team finished 2nd in the International League that season. For his career, George Thomas played 7 minor league seasons and finished his career with a 4.45 ERA. Getting back to Michael, the left hander spent four seasons at Rider University and he left there as their all time leader in wins and strikeouts. He had a career 3.53 ERA in college, but really thrived as a senior when he went 9 – 3 with a 2.34 ERA and 92 K’s in 96 innings. Thomas signed quickly with the Dodgers and made his professional debut in the Arizona Rookie League. At 22 years old he may have been a little old for the league, but was pretty dominant in his 4 starts and 8 relief appearances with a 2.49 ERA, a 1.78 FIP, and a K/9 of 14.1. That earned Thomas a promotion to Ogden for the final month of the season, but he struggled with the Raptors and posted a 7.90 ERA over 13.2 frames. I’m not too concerned about Michael’s performance in the Pioneer League because he’d already pitched a full college season, so I’m sure he was fatigued as the year was coming to a close. Heading into 2012 I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas got a chance to play for the Loons given his age and experience, and based on what I’ve read and seen so far I think he could be a bit of a steal as a 35th round pick.
127. Francisco Villa, RHP (15 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers before the 2011 season
6’0”, 194 lbs, 20 years old
1-1, 7.80 ERA, 1.93 WHIP, 4.33 FIP, 9.00 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers signed Francisco Villa out of Mexico as an 18 year old, giving him a bonus of $80K. I couldn’t find any scouting reports on him, however, so he’s a bit of a mystery to me outside of what I see on his player page. Francisco turned 19 on April 1st, and then made his professional debut in the Arizona Rookie League where he spent the season in the Dodgers bullpen. He had a tough season as he recorded a 7.80 ERA over 11 appearances and had a .348 batting average against, but one positive was that he struck out a batter per inning. In addition, he is still very young so that gives me some hope that he’ll improve as he gets older. Heading into 2012 Villa will probably return to Arizona for another year of Rookie ball, especially since he only has 15 professional innings under his belt.
126. Freddie Cabrera, RHP (10.2 IP in HiA, 21.1 IP in Pioneer Lg, 15 IP in Arz Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 26th round
6’5”, 210 lbs, 22 years old
2-2, 5.94 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, 5.18 FIP, 6.89 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
A Puerto Rican native, Cabrera played at his college ball at NAIA school Central Methodist and as a junior he went 6 - 4 with a 3.06 ERA through 82.1 innings. Rumor has it that he as a 95 mph fastball, so the Dodgers selected him in the 26th round of the 2011 draft. Freddie started his professional career in the Arizona Rookie League, but then received a surprise promotion to the Rancho Cucamonga Quakes in July. Cabrera had a tough time in the California League, however, and eventually ended the year in the Pioneer Rookie League. His overall stats were relatively unimpressive, but a mid 90’s fastball and a solid pitching frame give me hope that he has future as a Dodger prospect. In addition, he played ball in the Puerto Rican Winter League this offseason and threw very well with a 2.63 ERA over 24 innings with a .220 batting average against. My guess is that Cabrera will start the 2012 season with Great Lakes where he’ll get a shot in the Loons starting rotation.
125. Josmar Cordero, C (42 games in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 3/10/10
5’10, 175 lbs, 20.5 years old, bats right handed
.283 average, .779 OPS, 2 HR’s, 20 RBI’s, 4 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 156; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Josmar Cordero was signed out of Venezuela prior to the 2010 season, and had a very solid professional debut. Cordero built upon that success in 2011 as he improved virtually all of his offensive stats, increasing his average from .255 to .283 and his OPS from .705 to .779. For the second consecutive season he also showed strong defensive abilities behind the plate, and was praised by Baseball America for his solid “catch-and-throw skills” in their 2010 international signee roundup. Given his age and success in the DSL over the past two seasons, I definitely expect Cordero to make the jump to the Arizona Rookie League in 2012. A good season there could really put him on the map as a legitimate Dodger prospect.
124. Carlos De Aza, RHP (33.1 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/24/07
6’3”, 178 lbs, 22 years old
2-2, 7.02 ERA, 1.53 WHIP, 4.61 FIP, 6.75 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 94; Pre 2010 Rank: 67; Pre 2009 Rank: 127
In his professional debut in 2008, De Aza was awful in the DSL as he posted a 6.53 ERA and 2.08 WHIP. Then in 2009 Carlos completely turned things around as he recorded a 1.30 ERA through 27.2 innings and allowed batters to hit just .149 against him. His stellar 2009 season earned De Aza a promotion to the Arizona League in 2010, but he had a rude awaking as he got dominated by the more advanced competition to the tune of a 7.13 ERA. Despite his ugly stats, the Dodgers decided to promote De Aza again in 2011 as he found himself in the Ogden Raptor’s bullpen. Unfortunately De Aza again struggled in his new environment as his ERA was over 7 for the second straight season. He does have a good pitching frame and he did show some improvement year over year as he lowered his WHIP and FIP from 2010 to 2011, but overall De Aza mostly seems lost. Heading into 2012 Carlos will be just 22 years old so he still has time to improve, and I’m sure he’ll return to the Pioneer League where he’ll try and produce some better results.
123. Enlly Morales, 2B (25 games in Pioneer Lg, 3 games in Arz Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/12/07
5’11”, 168 lbs, 22.5 years old, bats right handed
.264 average, .639 OPS, 0 HR’s, 10 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2011 Rank: 91; Pre 2010 Rank: 73; Pre 2009 Rank: 91
Signed after the 2007 season as an international free agent, Enlly Morales had a strong professional debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2008 and then was even better in the DSL in 2009. That earned Morales a promotion to the Arizona Rookie League in 2010, but since coming to the US he’s been quite unimpressive. Over the past two seasons he’s accumulated 153 at bats in Arizona and 77 at bats with the Ogden Raptors, but has just 11 total extra base hits (all doubles). That led to a combined OPS of about .630, which just isn’t going to cut it. He also doesn’t have much defensive value as a 2nd baseman, so at this point he’s probably lost most of his value as a potential prospect. I’m sure he’ll stick around for a few more seasons since he is still just 22 years old, but unless he really catches fire in 2012 he’ll be nothing more than an organizational player.
122. Steve Smith, RHP (69.1 IP in HiA in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers before the 2008 season
6’2”, 210 lbs, 25.75 years old
5-5, 3.63 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 3.78 FIP, 7.66 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 124; Pre 2010 Rank: 141; Pre 2009 Rank: 160
Steve Smith was signed by the Dodgers in 2008 as a non drafted free agent out of the University of New Mexico, where he was a teammate of fellow Dodger minor leaguer Brian Cavazos-Galvez. He wasn’t overly impressive during his senior season with the Lobos, posting a 5.01 ERA and 58 strikeouts in just under 74 innings, but the Dodgers decided to give Smith a chance anyways. Smith struggled in his 2008 professional debut, but he has dramatically turned things around ever since. He spent two seasons in Great Lakes and was one of the Loons most effective bullpen arms, posting a 2.67 ERA in 67.1 innings in 2009 and a 2.69 ERA in 73.2 innings in 2010. That earned Smith a promotion to the Quakes in 2011 where he again served as an important bullpen arm. Smith was used mostly as a late inning reliever for Rancho Cucamonga and collected 9 saves throughout the course of the season. His strikeout rate wasn’t great, but he had a decent ERA and FIP and was surprisingly effective against left handed hitters who batted just .203 against hin for the year. I remember watching Smith pitch live at a Quakes game last season, but I don’t remember his velocity or types of pitches. Heading into 2012 he could receive another promotion to AA, but at 25 years old I’m not sure that he has the stuff to ever make it to the show.
121. Andrew Pevsner, LHP (42.1 IP in LoA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 16th round
6’3”, 205 lbs, 23.5 years old
1-1, 4.25 ERA, 1.72 WHIP, 5.23 FIP, 7.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 96; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Andrew Pevsner is a southern California native, and as you’ve probably heard by now he was born on the day that Kirk Gibson hit his famous World Series home run. Coming out of high school Pevsner didn’t get a lot of attention from Division I colleges, so he decided to go to the Division III Johns Hopkins University because it has strong academics and a respectable baseball program. As a freshman he only threw about 80 mph, but a workout regiment increased his velocity to the upper 80’s by the time he graduated. As a senior in 2010 Andrew had a 4.17 ERA, but struck out over a batter per inning and only allowed a .209 batting average against. He wasn’t really sure he’d get drafted, so he was surprised to get picked relatively early in the 16th round. After the draft he said “It was literally a dream come true. I think it took me about 48 hours for my heart to slow down and to stop shaking.” Pevsner made his professional debut in the Pioneer League where he had a very good season in terms of ERA (1.91). However he struggled a little with control and allowed a few homers during the season, which is why his FIP in 2010 was 4.26. After the season Pevsner said his goal was to make a full season league out of spring training, and that’s what happened as he spent 2011 in the Loons bullpen. Unfortunately “Pevs” struggled against the more advanced competition as his strikeout numbers dropped and his walk rate increased leading to a very high WHIP. I’m guessing his lack of velocity also contributed to his less than stellar season. Last year I speculated that Pevsner could eventually develop into a left handed specialist, but opposing lefties hit .281 against him last season so at least for the moment that seems unlikely. In 2012 Andrew will almost certainly spend another season in class A, I’m just not sure if he’ll be back with the Loons or if he’ll play with the Quakes instead.
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hawksworth made a lot of people angry on twitter
but I don’t know why
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Made comments that would be against the rules of this blog.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll give you a hint: it won’t be discussed here
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
And he retweeted from G. But must have deleted his offending tweet.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’m not big on the tweet lingo but when you say
he retweeted from G.goes that mean God was originator of the tweet or is there someone else so big they go by G?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Mr. Maddz.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
ah, so the answer is yes
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So when I tweet my normal awesome tweets, you all say P tweeted the shit out of that?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’ve called it many names but that is none of your business
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There are two types of men
Those who name their dicks and those who don’t admit it
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I taken to calling it the Kershaw but my wife insists on calling it the Lilly
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Could be worse. Bride calls mine the Padilla Soap Bubble.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Time for Xeifrank to chime in a say we have hit a new low
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sadly that’s what mine has been called.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This is not worse than when we talked about shitting.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Not the Hebrew Hammer?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that better or worse than being called Jamey Carroll cause it’s small and gritty?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
At least that’s a slap hitter.
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what's the problem there?
I would rather call mine something associated with home runs rather than something associated with strikeouts.
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From Andrew Fisher of Purple Row
Headline fail. Haha:

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t matter if we would. It also doesn’t matter if the new owner would.
Paul DePodesta is not about to subject himself, his family, and his team/organization to a repeat of the experience he had last time he was here.
He may GM again, but it will be in some other town. When he is successful, TJ Simers and Bill Plaschke will talk about “a different DePodesta who learned his lessons in LA.”
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Never say never Humma. New ownership all the old rules are out the window, they will want to bring in the best GM money can buy, they won’t give a shit about TJ Simers or Bill Plashke. The odds are long but I’ve seen worse questions asked. Every day.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’ve seen worse questions asked
Oh sure. Me too. Mostly asked by me.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
You can’t always take that road. You never ask questions.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
True or False: Humma never asks questions.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Does Timmy know he’s a pitcher on the downside of his career:)
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Just so I could be wrong again, I tweeted a guess of $10.5m/$7.5m for Kershaw’s figures.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
He’ll get $7.5m in the first year of a long-term deal, with a $500k signing bonus :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn’t surprise me if they won. All they have to do is argue Kershaw is worth at least $8,250,001.
But I think they settle.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
That midpoint is right on the line where it wouldn’t surprise me if they settle. Something like 2/20, with 7 this year and 13 next? I don’t know if that’s too big a raise or not — trying to backload it, as is the Dodgers’ wont.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
It is such that I wouldn’t be surprised if either side won an arbitration hearing, but the gap is too wide for them not to settle IMO.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Midpoint of $8.25? Way I understand it, all the Dodgers have to do is convince the arbitrator that he’s worth less than the midpoint and they win. I think they just might be able to do that.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
So, numbers should be coming out for Kershaw soon
Or are these numbers only leaked, not explicitly made available to the press?
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sort of leaked I suppose, but the AP usually gets them through sources, and agents seem to want to release it.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Heyman says Lincecum filed at $21.5 million. Discrepancy!
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
trying to follow a conversation on twitter can be almost impossible
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
maybe tweetdeck is better at it
then the official site
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
but extensions don't work in incognito mooooooooooooooode
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Brandon rules
Andrew Pevsner is a southern California native, and as you’ve probably heard by now he was born on the day that Kirk Gibson hit his famous World Series home run
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It’s pretty amazing how many guys are getting drafted in the mid-late rounds who throw 95. Not even 10 years ago guys like that would be millionairres drafted in the top 2 rounds regardless of anything but a radar gun reading.
F U Bill Bene.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
More like, it’s amazing how many more guys throw 95 now than a decade ago. The scientific approach to mechanics, year round play and detailed training programs are pretty incredible.
And more scouting techniques available to find these guys.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
nah, the scouting when it comes to guys like that has been the same for forever
“Hey, my kid throws 90+. I should get him checked out” /calls high school coach
“Hey, high school coach, mind taking a look at my kid. He throws over 90” “sure.” /calls local college coach buddy and local scout
“Hey, I just heard about a kid with a live arm. Want to put together a workout?” “Sure.” “Sure.”
/Kid throws 90. Gets scholarship offer, waits for draft position. If draft position bonus > scholarship intrinsic value + extrinsic value, goes to pros.
You keep saying that, we keep disagreeing
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Top of the line defuser comment. Others?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
How about:
Clink!
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
No, that is agitating, especially the whatever
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You can be long all night wrong, I no longer give a fuck
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
sir
While I disagree with what you say I will defend to the death your right to say it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
at the end of the day we’re bunch of intolerable know it all fucks, aren’t we?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure any team has accumulated more bleh pitching then the Rockies since the trading deadline. It is like they asked for the muddled masses of mediocrity
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I think it would be better if we wrote this
Pomeranz rulestheEarth amirite?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Context free comment I made to myself
Is that an amphora you are pouring or are you just happy to see me?
better than John Ireland, not knowing how the arbitration process works.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
These are not the droids you are looking for
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I like working with good people rather than dicks
I try to hire people who are good to work with rather than dicks
Call me Ned
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe you should try hiring talented dicks and see if you have a better return
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I appreciate it but I'm already...
no wait he said talented didn’t he
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Can't really blame him
since I said last year that if you were going full rebuild, you needed to think about dealing them since no one else team was going to bring you back much.
Too many leaders spoil the broth or something.
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think you are talking about too many Native American leaders and not enough Native American non-leaders
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
hey man, be nice, they are human, they got feelings too.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
you are sweetness
Walter Payton’s ghost nods approvingly
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Good thing he did not blow a bunch of it on a dime a dozen right hand hitting outfielder/1st baseman past his prime
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
“Don’t spend it all in one place”
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
What pitchers are making more then 20Million per year?
CC
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Cliff Lee
Johan
Halladay is right at 20
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
The number to watch is $19.25 million, the midpoint.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
5 season, 2 cy youngs, 4 all stars, finished 6th and 10th in CYA voting the other years, world series winner, led the league in K’s 3 of 4 years, finished 5th in ERA last year. he made $15mil last year. It’s really a toss up.
He made $13 million last year, or maybe $14 million if you count the $2 million signing bonus as $1 million each year.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
But that contract was way below market value.
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
But it’s a market of one player. Lincecum is not a free agent. He just happens to occupy the nebulous special circumstances area that comes with two Cy Youngs in your first three years.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Right, but none of us actually know what happens in arb hearings so the case “Lincecum took way less money than he should have in 2011” might work really well.
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I always assumed it was whoever gave the arbitrator the most without it looking like a bribe and that while they may appear to be listening to both sides the mind is made up before the event happens.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Everything is greased is it not? Don’t you grease some your jobs? Laker Tickets? Whatever to make the client happy
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t grease, I will entertain, but I don’t and won’t grease
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Marlon Brando says butter’s better.
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and this is the process of most RFPs
The vendor is chosen before the RFP goes out and then everyone spends tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars going through an elaborate charade when we all know what is going to happen
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
You cannot argue that point
You can only use what Lincecum has done and what comparable pitchers have done at his service time. Is that worth making over $20M prior to becoming a free agent.
When was the last time a guy with two Cy Youngs went to 4th year arb?
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
When he hasn't gotten any CYs more recently
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
It is
but he asked for a scenario and I’m giving him one. Though it is not to the point since its the same guy.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Why, his last two years of production has clearly slid from his Cy Young level two years ago? The arbitrator may not care that his K/9 rate has dropped each yea, that his walk rate is going up, but they will care that he lost 14 games and only won 13.
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silly to think “yeah, we know you won those two cy young awards way back in 2008 and 2009, but what have you done for us lately?”
Maybe, maybe not
Going off of fWAR (please feel free to let me know if this is true of his bWAR if anyone knows off hand) his value has nearly been sliced in half from the 2008-2009 to 2010-2011 seasons. He still has been putting up nice numbers, but that walk rate has gone up quite a bit, and his strikeout rate is still close to the top of the league, but not commanding like it used to be.
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A good man.
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll go check in a minute, but I prefer the WAR based off of FIP (although the glaring hole is it does not take hits into consideration) rather than the WAR based off of ERA or ERA+.
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So does Tim Leary, who was apparently better than Orel Hershiser in 1988.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
could it be that the BBWAA, instead of voting for either Wainwright or Carpenter in 2009 or Brandon “Count The Wins” Webb in 2008, royally dicked the Giants?
Haven’t those two Cy-Young awards already been factored into his salary? The Giants would argue that he’s still gettting a significant raise from his Super Two arb reward.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
It’s hard to ask for comparables to a guy that got an unprecedented amount in his initial arb hearing.
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by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Another way to look at it, sort of reverse engineering it, is that there is a cap on whatever total salary he should earn. If the top salary for a pitcher is $25 million per (the extra years tacked onto CC’s contract), giving Lincecum $21.5 million in 2012 would only lead to a salary in 2013 (his fourth and final arb year) that would all but guarantee Lincecum to be the highest paid pitcher in baseball.
Would he deserve it? Maybe.
But the system is designed to hold down salaries prior to free agency, so the prevailing thought could be “Lincecum will certainly command a contract at the top of the market once he is eligible for free agency, but let’s have him go through the process first, just like everybody else.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
The other argument that could work well is “Carlos Zambrano holds the record for a third-time arb-eligible pitcher at $12.4 million. We think shattering that record by 37% ($17 million) is enough for our stud pitcher.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
It would help him more if his last two years were not merely above average instead of brilliant. Sub .500 record is not going to get him 23 Million from an arbitrator who has been taught how important wins are. Not seeing how he could win his case.
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It is apparently $21.5 million, not $23m
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Educate me, please
Several of the guys on this list can throw hard. Clearly power by itself isn’t enough to be successful.
Kenley Jansen relies on power, and he’s had a lot of success in a hurry. What’s he doing that these other guys aren’t?
A second pitch?
Command?
Late movement?
Mostly movement
Since he tends to throw down the middle a lot.
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by Taylor Maricle on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks Brandon
For doing all these prospect reviews.by the way.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM PST reply actions
no problem
glad to get some fresh minor league names out there for everyone to discuss
by Brandon Lennox on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
BH rocks
I’ve been to Jitlada twice since you tipped me off
Really good. Each time I went a member of our party ordered the Chef’s Challenge dish – it was so hot that the guy eating it was sweating, dripping snot, and crying non-stop….it was awesome
the normal food, like the Jungle Curry was still super hot, but tasty
it is now a favorite – I crave it
Twice and you did call me
no worries, we shall rock it together. Did they get it with the pork, that dish is rocking.
I did think of asking Maddz and Marty if they wanted to eat lunch there yesterday
but to do it right, you need about 4 hours.
so basically a NBC Universal type of lunch?
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have you ever looked at the career of John Ireland and wondered why?
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He is
non-offensive generally and he got a great gig doing Laker games. Also Mason is a pretty good radio guy and they match up pretty well.
on the other hand
McDonald makes it almost impossible for me to watch the Lakers
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Yeah I hate when he says Cash… everytime Gasol hits a jumper he says thats Cash for Gasol… I dont know why but I dont like it…. Sucks we lost Speiro…. Lakers have kinda gone all Dodgers lately as far as spending money… Yes I know they have the #1 payroll, but still.
I could be wrong
but Spero wanted the flexibility to do both his CBS gigs (NFL and NCAA basketball) and the Lakers wanted him to be exclusive during the season. I think Spero has aspirations to being a network announcer so that is one reason why he left.
As for the hiring of Ireland and McDonald, I only wonder if these are placeholders for when the TW deal goes in effect next year.
He was expected to replace Joel Meyers as the team’s TV play-by-play announcer at the beginning of the 2011-2012 season, but instead signed a contract to do radio/TV play-by-play for the New York Knicks. You could be right about the flexibility thing… but I thought some rumors were that Knicks swung in last minute and offered more money, better deal… Ofcourse the better deal could be the flexibility thing.
As a professional baseball player, "I had a glut of disposable income, and I traveled and was alone a lot," he said. "I was perfectly suited to be a hardcore gamer and if you look at the sports world today, I think there are more gamers than not, now, in professional sports by a large margin."
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Freddie Cabrera
One day starter for the all Cabrera lineup?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
what a difference a year makes for the fans of Panda and Kemp
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Andrew Baggarly has the details. Seems like a potential steal:
2012: $3.2 million
2013: $5.7 million
2014: $8.25 million
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Defense
Twelve teams use the 3-4. How many use the 4-3? And is there any other primary defense besides these two?
They run the 5-2 at some NCAA schools but that is very rare. When teams run traditional nickle and dime packages it turns the 4-3 into the 4-2 or 4-1. If you Run the Nickle or dime out of the 3-4 you might just end up with 3 down linemen and a lot of safeties and corners. Two strong safety / linebacker hybrids and 4 corners and one Free Safety.
Think of the 5-2 as a veriant of the 3-4 but your OLB have less cover assignmnets and more pass rush and run support obligations. In this style of defense you don’t have much zone, the corners have to man up and the safeties are floating. Free to the side that they are doulbling and strong will help with the TE and in run support.
What about the “nickelback” defense: 3 × 3 × 5? Or, 4 × 2 × 5?
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Thats not their base(silverwidow used primary but usually base is the term used)
defense. Depends on the team, but a lot of times you end up with 4 lineman as the primary rush backer will move to DE,and sometimes the other OLB too.
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I would call that a 3-4 with a nickel package.
The only other (somewhat) common alignment would be a College 4-4 but like the name suggests, it’s mostly used in high school and college.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Outstanding
BillShaikin
#Dodgers have not ruled out long-term deal with Clayton Kershaw and will continue to discuss one-year and long-term approaches.
We knew this.
It’s not like Colletti is going to say, “Nope. We don’t want to commit longer than one year to Kershaw.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
What are they saying?? Are you the one with the boss thats always talking sports with a coworker…. I need to work there,.
Yeah, boss is a huge Packers fan and his office is next door to mine. So at the end of the day as people head out sometimes they chat up the Packers, but today one convo got side tracked in to BCS thoughts and about Miss Wisconsin/USA pimping for a date with Aaron Rodgers. Lunch room is always “sports thoughts”. You better like your sports or eat at your desk!
dont worry, her ass meant nothing to me.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
no real buzz about Prince for the past few days
The suspense is terrible…….I hope it’ll last :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 5:18 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I heard Kevin is looking forward to the new coach at UCLA
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Today is the deadline
to exchange numbers. Hamels and the Phils reached an agreement, did they not? Not an “arbitration award”.
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