Dodgers Avoid Arbitration With Andre Ethier
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 7:13 AM PST
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The Dodgers avoided arbitration with Andre Ethier, signing him to a one-year deal worth $10.95 million, plus performance bonuses per his agency, CAA. Ethier made $9.25 million 2011 in the final year of a two-year, $15.25 million contract signed before the 2010 season.
Those performance bonuses for Ethier can total up to $50,000, per Tony Jackson of ESPN LA. Ethier gets $25,000 for 600 plate appearances, and $25,000 more for 625 plate appearances. Last week I guessed a 2012 salary of $13 million for Ethier. I was way off. It looks like Ted Lilly will be the highest paid Dodger in 2012.
Ethier's $10.95 salary in 2012 is the ninth highest single season salary by a Dodgers outfielder.
| Highest Single Season Salary, Dodgers Outfielders | ||||
| Outfielder | Year | Base Salary | Incl. Bonus | Comment |
| Manny Ramirez | 2009 | $25 million | $25 million | reduced via suspension |
| Manny Ramirez | 2010 | $20 million | $20 million | |
| Andruw Jones | 2009 | $17.1 million | $19.6 million | spread out through 2014 |
| Andruw Jones | 2008 | $14.1 million | $16.6 million | |
| Shawn Green | 2003 | $15 million | $15.67 million | |
| Shawn Green | 2002 | $12.75 million | $13.42 million | |
| Shawn Green | 2001 | $11.5 million | $12.17 million | |
| J.D. Drew | 2006 | $11 million | $11.4 million | |
| Andre Ethier | 2012 | $10.95 million | ??? | |
Shawn Green also made $16 million in 2004 ($16.67 million if you prorate his $4 million signing bonus over his six-year contract), but he moved first base that season. Matt Kemp makes $10 million in 2012, but he joins the party in 2013, as the final seven years of his contract pay Kemp between $21 and $22 million each season.
The Dodgers have $72.6 million committed to 15 players in 2012, plus a little over $22.2 million in dead money, paid to players no longer on the roster. Don't be surprised if Ethier isn't the only settlement today. James Loney and Clayton Kershaw are also arbitration eligible.
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2013 Arb Eligibles
Clayton Kershaw
Blake Hawksworth
A.J. Ellis (Super Two)
Ramon Troncoso needs 29 days of MLB service in 2012 to qualify for arbitration.
So he’ll still be a free agent at the end of the year? Is this a good or bad sign for long term renewal ?
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 7:26 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
It's a blank sign
I think the chances of Ethier staying a Dodger past 2012 are the same today as they were yesterday.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
Shawn Green moved first base and they gave him a raise? man, if I went around my workplace just moving things around all willy nilly, they’d probably fire me.
Matt Kemp moved a trash can
and was nearly run out of town
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Not really because Kemp would have gotten 15 or so in a hearing. His extension has built in salary relief for this year.
Right, but we figured Ethier would have gotten $13MM in a hearing, so….
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
Can’t wait for him to play on a bum knee
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well he is a Dodger :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t think Kemp’s contract played a role, but I would like to see just how much in performance bonuses he can earn. My hunch is that it a couple million dollars.
The arb process is hard to pin down and if you think about it someone like Ethier is hard to predict: how many outfielders with Ethier’s numbers go to arbitration for a fourth time? (I don’t know the answer, I assume the answer is close to zero, with the more productive ones already signing multi-year deals) Maybe using the percentage raise breaks down at a higher point like Ethier, and there is some sort of an artificial cap which kept Ethier from going much higher (not to mention coming off an injury, etc).
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Not a fan of this early morning news breaking BTW. Was going to sleep in until 7:30 or so, but checked my phone and saw the Ethier news.
The first few weeks of spring training will be like this too, when Arizona is still an hour off and Mattingly meets with reporters around 7:45 PST.
unless signing Scott Hatteberg warrants front page news : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
if he’s only making 10.95 this year, and has another year like last year, i don’t imagine them offering him a contract worth $12-$13mil to be able to get draft pick compensation next season.
Not sure what you mean
The only way to get draft pick compensation in the new CBA is to offer a one-year qualifying offer at the average of the top 125 salaries.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Nevermind, I misread and missed a word or two.
I disagree. I think they would offer it, and Ethier would decline.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
sorry, i thought it was any contract worth at least the average of the top 125 salaries, and i thought that figure was estimated at $12ish.
I wonder if they count Kemp’s average annual value or his $10mil value for next year’s calculations.
I’m pretty sure for purposes of that it would be average annual value. But I haven’t seen the CBA.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
When it comes to baseball games I love a blow out, when it comes to basketball games I used to want a blowout because I never trusted our guards to perform in the clutch.
That is no longer true, even with Paul out, we still had one of the best historical closers and he did what he needed to do to help grind out a victory that had the likes of a D league guard getting minutes. As fun as the 17 point lead in the 1st quarter was, having the Nets tie the game in the 4th, setup an exciting finish that had the near capacity crowd on it’s feet.
I don’t get the Humphries hate? Why is he being booed mercilessly for simply marrying and divorcing an idiot? The man has a solid PF game.
Blake put up some numbers yesterday but I’m worried about several things. One is the free throws, looks like it is starting to be mental, the second is how many times he works hard on the offensive side but ends up with nothing and then waits a few seconds before heading downcourt on defense allowing the opposition time to work a play 5 against 4. Centers get a pass on this, guys who are supposed to be motors do not.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
you’ve been watching too much Kardashians. On the radio they made it sound like Humphries showed up Griffin a bit last year, so this was a bit of a revenge angle for both the fans and Griffin.
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
i have never watched a minute of it before
i told you that my reality TV has to be of people at their jobs. and J Shore
those Kardashian girls work hard to keep up their appearance : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
No, that is not it. He’s being booed everywhere he goes. Many offensive power forwards showed up Blake last year. He’s not exactly a defensive player. Yes, Humphries outplayed him last year, I doubt as many fans knew that as knew who he married and divorced.
For whatever reason he was voted most hated NBA player, as Clipper Steve said I guess they polled 15 year old girls
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
No way. He’s been boo’d at every arena for the same reason he was boo’d in Staples. The Kardashian thing.
Like Phil, I don’t get it at all.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
Humphries was married to Kim for about 13 seconds
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
there should be a shot clock on Kardashian marriages.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink!
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
of course
as you say that, I see this tweet: si_vault: Blake Griffin gives Kris Humphries a facial: http://t.co/aR5EmdQc
basketball needs a new word for that, facial has been corrupted
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
wait, what?
I don’t get it. I’m 12 and I don’t know what this is!!!
jk, btw.
you really don’t have to explain.
The sexual term needs a new moniker.
Either way, Marv Albert will be affected.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I was at the game
and I was really confused as to why everyone was booing. It was a weird boo because everyone would laugh after they finished booing. It was a strange combination of confusion and hilarity. I didn’t boo him until he was shooting free throws in the 4th, but I did find it funny that everyone booed him
Right it was not a hostile boo, at least not until he started kicking some ass, then it was, stop it you fuck.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
kismet
the exact same thing will happen to The Meercat at the LFP softball tourney
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
My teammates are going to good naturedly boo me then turn on me when I hit three straight 6 – 4 – 3 to Xiefrank to Jon to Timmermann?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Dave Cameron writes alot, not sure he said anything
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
His missing the part where the pitchers would revolt if they stuck Montero behind the plate.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
From reading the blogs, Yankee fans sure seem upset about losing Montero. Will be interesting to follow their careers in parallel to see who won.
Yankee fans have been told by the mainstream baseball writers how great of a propsect Montero was and how he was the untouchable for years now.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Plus fans always overrate their prospects.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
In some universe I know Andy LaRoach is banging the ball
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
You’re talking a lot, but you’re not saying anything
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed
Say something once, why say it again?
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Gio Gonzalez breakdown
5 years, $42 million guaranteed, could be 7/$63.5m, per Mark Zuckerman:
$500k signing bonus
2012: $3.25m
2013: $6.25m
2014: $8.5m
2015: $11m
2016: $12m
2017: $12m option ($500k buyout)
2018: $12m option
Not sure if both options need to be exercised at once
True story - in 1966
instead of rings, the Dodgers were given Rolex watches for winning the pennant. This one belonged to J.T. Brewer:
Awesome.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
More useful, too.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I am not a memorabilia guy
but I’d drop $500 bucks on that
and more, a whole lot more
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
If I had that much
Ditto
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
this watch was last sold for $3,215 in 2004
call it a bargain
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
pretense, the answer is always pretense
and trousers
Pretense and trousers, hold on to your drink and be your accent, and if you start without any pride then you don’t have to worry about that at all
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
you now know the secret to my formative years TV watching
Me and Nipsy Russel go way back
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t – the Trader Joe cheap stuff or the more dear suggestions?
He like it?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Homemade Soppressata? Wow, that takes skills. We have a challenging climate for cured meats. I want to buy an old fridge and outfit as a curing chamber, Mrs HJ is not so happy with the idea
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Nice pull. Finally, watch talk that is interesting. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
I was hoping to pull it all together : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
I always thought you only got a ring for winning the whole thing. Players got a ring for just winning the National League before??
like, every year, i believe. When only one team wins the league and the playoffs consist of the world series, winning the pennant is a big deal. By now it’s mostly tradition. I believe they do the same thing in basketball and football, handing out league champion rings, they just don’t get the big ceremony.
fun fact, in 2010 Benji Molina got an American League championship ring and a World Series championship ring!
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Woah.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
I got really on high on my horse two weekends ago, when the Houston Texans were hosting a playoff game. All the pundits said it was the first playoff game in Houston since the Oilers left (which is correct)
And everyone said in twitter, in their whiniest voice, well what about the Super Bowl? WHICH IS NOT A PLAYOFF GAME!
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
But then Luke Scott would shoot them.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
No. Not if you’re using the theoretical NCAA definition of plus one.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
the Super Bowl is akin to the Rose Bowl, if the Big 10 and Pac 12 were the only conferences. A meeting of conference champions to win a trophy
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
wow, Im shocked I did not know this, never heard of it before…. so if team wins its league, and then WS, they get 2 rings? or just the WS champions ring?
To rule them all
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oops.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Even dead mayors get rings.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
If you count them can you tell how old they were?
by kinbote on Jan 17, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
they still do I think
My Dad was watching Pawn Stars yesterday, some guy wanted to sell a set of Braves championship rings. 4 NL champ rings, and one WS ring.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
When did championship rings start?
My guess is the 60’s?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The first championship ring to ever be made for players by the team was for the 1922 NFL World Champions: the New York Giants.
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
I need to take a picture of my NLCS ring from 1978
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Its in the safety deposit box in Vero….I live in Boca. I promise to do my best.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
How did you get that?
I think i remember a story, but i’m not sure.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I don’t know it was my Dad’s. It was given to him by one of his friends in the Dodger organization. He then gave it to me for my 16th Birthday. I used to wear it to school but then was scared I might lose it so I had him put in the safety deposit box and haven’t seen it since. Really nice ring. White gold with a cool dodger blue in the face with a diamond for the baseball in the dodgers logo.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Dan Billardello let me try on his World Series Ring
It was fun
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I am excited about this. Especially if Ethier has a good year.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 AM PST reply actions
It’s good to see. Best case scenario for all parties is team does well, Ethier does well, new owners come in, midyear extension.
And Ned goes out.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
I'm excited about everyone on the team
if they have a good year
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I know we've discussed this a few times on this board
But Rob Neyer has an article discussing whether MLB Turned Its Back On Puerto Rico via the 1990 rule which subjected Puerto Rican baseball players to the amateur draft.
I just assumed that watching after Al Pacino, as Carlito in Carlito’s Way, say he was “the last of the Mo Ricans” Bud Selig assumed there were no more Puerto Ricans at all.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
He also assumed that Mo Rocca had died.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I loved the I Love the Eighties and its derivatives.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’ll take Gordon Gecko Geico for 500 please
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
now he does human interest pieces for CBS News Sunday Morning edition
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
yup, did a segment on football uniforms just before the BCS championship, only reason I know
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
and doesn’t he host some show on the Cooking Channel? A history of food type show?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
in the comments of the article someone mentions...
If PR was not part of the draft what if Boras moved Bryce Harper there and made him a FA how much would he have been worth?
I saw that comment, and immediately thought MLB would call bullshit on that and it would never happen.
He could have gone to Japan or Taiwan if he wanted to avoid the draft (and he thought it would work.)
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
But to answer your question, I’ll guess he would have gotten Dice-K money.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
does
Make a one year offer of 2013 $13M more doable.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
well
The chip is on his shoulder now :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Speaking of bad articles...
This one is pretty hilariously bad.
Can Matt Kemp really go 50-50?
Let me summarize some of the major points:
1. Kemp probably can’t reach 50/50 because he couldn’t reach 40/40 last season. If he had had that one more home run, the author would have been more inclined to be optimistic.
2. Reaching 50/50 is really hard. No one else has ever done it. Which I presume is exactly why the unsourced questioner asked the question…
3. Kemp isn’t really that fast. There’s not really any empirical data to back up this claim, unless you count Kemp’s minor league statistics from 2006.
It would be worse if it said Kemp could go 50/50
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp could definitely go see 50/50. Does that count?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
true.
just because i reach the same conclusion as him doesn’t mean he did a good job of explaining….
I saw that yesterday. I had to laugh.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Ouch
It looks like Ted Lilly will be the highest paid Dodger in 2012.
owowowowowowoww.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 AM PST reply actions
File this
under facts that seem insightful but are really meaningless
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Apart from the fact
That they tell us we need a new GM.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
No, they don’t.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
yeah,
i’m pretty ok with Ted Lilly’s contract.
well
dodgerscribe: Also, it doesn’t sound like Kershaw or Loney are close to agreeing. Arb #s were due to be filed 5 min. ago.
oh and Dre's incentives
dodgerscribe: Ethier’s deal is one year, $10.95 mill plus $25,000 for each of 600 and 625 plate appearances. He has reached 600 PAs just once, in 2009
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
callin’ his kids over to read the tweet
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
Call me when they make Slow and Mild. I am their man.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
BTW
if I were a sound guy for an MLB team (well aware I would likely get fired) I would play “Drive My Car” by The Beatles or “Crash” by the Dave Matthews Band every time Loney came to bat.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Roadhouse Blues
“Keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel”
Crawling from the Wreckage
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would start a band called Death Cab for Loney and play that stuff.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw the WS watch. It is gorgeous. I wonder if it’s solid gold or gold plate. Not that it matters, really; its memorabilia facotr, combined with the Rolex pedigree, is what gives it the value.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
maybe im misunderstanding
but if arb numbers were due 5 mins ago and there’s no word on whether or not the dodgers filed them, wouldn’t that be MORE evidence that the dodgers avoided arb and signed them to contracts?
No
The numbers that they filed at will be released later today. The 9am deadline just acts as a deadline of sorts when a lot of deals get done to avoid going to that next step.
They can still continue to negotiate.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
so all we know is they’re still in negosh, but there might still be smiles times #30Rock
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Willie Mays, not a union guy
from Today in Baseball:
Baseball great Willie Mays, still playing at the time, spoke out in favor of the owners on this date in baseball history in 1970. The San Francisco Giants outfielder told Joe Garagiola in an interview, “If players control the game it is going to be bad. Owners must make some money, too.” Mays comments were in reference to Curt Flood’s refusal to report to the Philadelphia Phillies, the team he was traded to by the St. Louis Cardinals. Mays didn’t criticize Flood’s refusal to report, only saying, “That’s a personal thing. For myself I want to stay in San Francisco, but if the Giants traded me I would go.”
different place and time
I don’t expect my great socially aware leaders to play great Center Field, and I don’t expect the greatest Center Fielder ever to necessarily have a nuanced grasp on labor policy and relations
I think Flood saw the world round when nearly all of his peers still saw it flat. That is a credit to Flood, but not a knock on his peers
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
how do people feel about him as a dodger next season?
i’d rather go after matt cain. there are so many great pitchers on the market next season any team that hopes to contend has to scoop one of them up.
I don’t think Cain sees free agency. I think Hamels will, and I’m all for acquiring him because we would lock up at least one 5th place SBN NL Cy Young vote
by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought I saw something on Twitter this weekend where there was a Cain to Toronto rumor. Was that just BS?
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Who are the great pitchers on the market next season?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
2013 FA SP class
Starting pitchers
Scott Baker (31) – $9.25MM club option
Joe Blanton (32)
Matt Cain (28)
Fausto Carmona (29) – $9MM club option
Bartolo Colon (40)
Aaron Cook (34)
Kevin Correia (32)
Jorge De La Rosa (32) – $11MM player option with a $1MM buyout
Ryan Dempster (36)
R.A. Dickey (38) – $5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Scott Feldman (29) – $9.25MM club option with a $600K buyout
Gavin Floyd (30) – $9.5MM club option
Freddy Garcia (37)
Zack Greinke (28)
Jeremy Guthrie (34)
Cole Hamels (29)
Dan Haren (32) – $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
Tim Hudson (37) – $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Colby Lewis (33)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34)
Derek Lowe (40)
Paul Maholm (31) – $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Shaun Marcum (31)
Jason Marquis (34)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Brett Myers (32) – $10MM club option with a $3MM buyout
Carl Pavano (37)
Jake Peavy (31) – $22MM club option with a $4MM buyout
Joel Pineiro (34)
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Jonathan Sanchez (30)
Ervin Santana (30) – $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
James Shields (31) – $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Chien-Ming Wang (33)
Jake Westbrook (35) – $8.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout if club declines
Dontrelle Willis (31)
Randy Wolf (36) – $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Carlos Zambrano (32) – $19.25MM player option depending on Zambrano’s Cy Young voting placement
that phrase applies to every conversation we have
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
check my shorter list below.
compared to this year, with the top two being CJ Wilson and Edwin Jackson, this list is pretty unbelievable
At least half those guys won’t make it to free agency and it will look almost as bad.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
he’s right, we just don’t know which half and who. The Giants may fall out of it, trade Cain, new team extends him, Giants might extend him, or he might hit FA and the three are about as equally likely.
I feel guys like Liriano, Peavy, Zambrano will definitely be free agents
The first two being injury concerns, the last being a head case. I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on any of them depending on how big of a price drop they will be.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Right
Just like CC could have been in this year’s FA class but everyone knew he would go back to the Yankees.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
post the posting fee he is attractive
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
been pitching since he was the baby.
Of everyone on that list I’d like Grienke in Dodger Stadium.
I’d rather have Loney at 1st and Grienke pitching then Fielder and Eovaldi.
Course when Loney goes .311/.373/.477 this year that will be easier to swallow.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Keith says
Trade for him
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Conventional Wisdom
would say that Greinke couldn’t handle LA. I think that’s kind of bogus. But yeah, I’d prefer to have him or Cain instead of Lefty Hamels behind Kershaw.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Fuck handedness
I would take Hamels all day every day over Cain.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
yes and yes and yes and yes
I can yes this shit all day
try me
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, which one was killed by his brother?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
"I don't care about matchups"
- Billy Beane
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I think of all the “big markets”, LA would be the easiest to play in. The media is hardly hostile, and quite frankly, Dodger stars are the smaller entities in the Los Angeles universe.
Grienke will be coming as a mega free agent. That always has baggage.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
yup.
even in Milwaulkee. And that’s why I don’t buy some of the langauge about fragile players and the pressure of big city media. These guys are playing in the major leagues. There’s always going to be media scrutiny, especially when you’re good.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
with all the yahoos in LA
We have one of the strongest mental/psychological health communities in the world.
/not based on fact
//based on TMZ
i remember when i told an old coworker that i was moving to LA
she referred to it as the “land of fruits and nuts.” i silently shook my head.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I remember when
people not from LA complained about all the “fern bars”
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
the old joke
How is Hollywood like a bowl of granola?
Its all fruits, flakes, and nuts….
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Where did you move from and how old were you when you moved here?
Just curious
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
From Rochester, NY
Moved here when I was 23. But the woman who made that joke is probably in her 50s.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I cannot wait to read Simmer on Grienke
oh wait, I can wait
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
“Great” “pitcher”
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
you never want to find
a tic in your seman
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
List:
Cain
Hamels
Greinke
Good middle of rotation starters:
Liriano
Colby Lewis
Marcum
Daisuke
Ervin Santana
Anibel Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez
Brandon McCarthy
Kuroda
Will be an interesting test case for supply and demand
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
oh woops
i tried to exclude the option people.
and at the rate they are going will lock him up anyways
they should have the money to do so with hunter and abreu coming off the books and the discounts they got on weaver and howie
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
This Doesn't Seem Realistic?
Cain – Resign
Hamels – Resign
Greinke – FA
Good middle of rotation starters:
Liriano – Sucks
Colby Lewis – FA
Marcum – FA
Daisuke – Sucks
Ervin Santana – Option
Anibel Sanchez – Resign
Jonathan Sanchez – Sucks
Brandon McCarthy – FA
Kuroda – Retire
Obviously that’s not gonna be exactly right but this seems like a totally reasonable scenario since every free agent class looks great a year in advance.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Cain
Seems to be the opinion of some people that the Giants won’t be able to afford to sign both Lincecum and Cain long term, and that Cain might be the one they let go of.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
surprised
You didn’t give Colby Lewis a “sucks” rating
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
all those sucks ratings are kind of dumb.
my point was that they’re serviceable middle of the rotation starters. they all are.
Not “dumb” but not useful to the discussion. If Jonathan Sanchez sucks then god knows what Reg thinks of Billingsley.
For fun purposes, Randy Johnson did not break a 109 OPS until his age 29 season.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'm assuming you meant ERA+.
but then again, a 109 OPS sounds about right for Randy Johnson.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I dont know, see how this season goes 1st. But with Kershaw, Bills, Rubby back later on, Evoldi, maybe Zach Lee is ready, I much rather invest the money in offense.
Really? You just named one great pitcher, one average one, one coming off arm surgery, and two rookies, one who was in low A ball. That is what you want to go to battle with instead of Cole Hamels?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
“go to battle with”
seems unlike you
are you sure you are Phil?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
well, I mean, im all for Cole Hamels, but not if it means we cant upgrade the offense… But I guess the FA market is think on hitting next offseason? so maybe have to get a good SP…. but for example, if next offseason Fielder and Hamels are FAs, and I could only get one, im getting Fielder.
You are setting a constraint that doesn’t matter.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
are you saying
facts that seem insightful but are really meaningless
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
How do I know it doesnt matter though?? I dont know what the new payroll will be… what kind of contract will Hamels command? What contract will Kershaw command? How do I know new ownership can afford both???
you are looking for the deuce, but the fastball keeps going right by you
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
right he wont be, thats why I said if….. was just an example making that power hitting is more a priority for me then SP, but if we can get both, then great… but yes Fielder wont be a FA next year. Shit I might even rather have Napoli then Hamels, but not sure.
Shit I might even rather have Napoli then Hamels, but not sure.
No
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
for kicks
the best FA position players are probably
Josh Hamilton
Shane Victorino
Michael Bourn
Andre Ethier
BJ Upton might actually make it to free agency so I’d include him.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
i'd like one of the centerfielders
not victorino though.
So, Michael Bourn.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
His answer is always
I can’t remember
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
thanks for picking this up
elsewhere I made a reference to sex with a bulldog, don’t take this the wrong way, but as I wrote it I admit thinking of you
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to make
a Hershiser joke, but I couldn’t find the comment. Then I lost interest.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
BJ Upton isnt a CF?
And while he doesn’t play like one, Hamilton is technically a CF. So I meant one of those three.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
i was thinking offensively, especially since we have TGJr if you want a defense-first guy who won’t see much PT because of his bat, you might as well use the one making $1mil.
OPS+ of 115 last year
after coming crashing down in 2009, he got better each of the last 2 years
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Pipe dream: Andrew McCutchen if you throw in Sands and Webster
Realistically: i have no clue. Ian Kinsler if you threw in Webster?
McCutchen is under contract for as long as kershaw isn't he?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I wouldn’t want to give up Sands and Webby for McCutchen…fuck that noise
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I was actually willing to consider McCutchen for Kemp and Kershaw last year
McCutchen is good and under contract for a long time
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I think this was earlier in 2011 when McCutchen was still
keeping pace with Kemp, and we thought no way kemp gets an extension.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Ridicule me all you want….I’ll stick by the fact (all day) that I wouldn’t do that 4:1 trade.
Those four pieces would leaving gaping holes that would be difficult to fill (and expensive)
McCutchen isn’t Kemp
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Gaping? Sands didn’t even win a starting outfield spot and Webby is in AA.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
I think he is refering to 2013 with the assumption that both Ethier and Rivera are gone, Sands has a pretty good shot at taking one of those spots. Still McCutchen is pretty sweet.
Mike we can agree to disagree…no biggie. I’m personally banking on Webby being a solid #4 and hoping Sands ends up meeting 75% of his potential. People here wanted to give up on Kemp and I was his biggest advocate. Same thing with Dee Gordon and although I can’t prove it now there are certain players I’d be willing to bank my TBLA rep on when it comes to reaching their potential.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
even if they do that...
mccutchen is still more valuable
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
keep banking
but you really can’t expect any of those prospects to pan out. McCutchen, on the other hand, is a pretty sure bet.
I would trade an established #4 and a 115 OPS+ corner OF for McCutchen in a heartbeat. Although McCutchen is missing an ‘o’ in his name.
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- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
what?
gaping holes? how? none of them have a starting job in the major leagues except jansen, and he’s an effing relief pitcher.
thats assuming any of those prospects every pan out
McCutchen is a much player then I think you realize. He might be the 2nd best CF in baseball. Probably pretty easily in the top 5.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Man, you know I’m with you on a lot of things, but McCutchen is a top 10ish player in MLB, is under team control for another 4 years, and we’re talking about players who have yet to make a dent in MLB butw ho would be big lotto tickets for the Pirates.
I would clone Sands and Webster just so I could give them up twice for McCutchen.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i would give up any dodger except kershaw
for McCutchen.
and i've said gordon and lee are hands off in any trade
this is basically one of the only trades that’s an exception.
generally relievers are overvalued
but i wouldnt give up jansen at this point. i’ll repeat what i always say: by the end of 2012 Kenley Jansen will be considered one of the best relief arms in baseball.
what will you do
when he strains a rib signing the contract?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
We have enough people dying at Dodger Stadium.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Not to mention im still high on Bills, I dont care what numbers say, or this you usually are what you are at this age, whatever…. I still think Bills has it in him, and ill never give up!!
dude needs to throw more strikes and learn how to get througha lineup a third time and he’ll be amazing.
yeah, i still like bills too.
a lot actually. i really just see last year as a down season. otherwise, the guy has a a 3.68 era over 163 career starts (with a 3.71 fip). i’ll take that in a heart beat.
me too.
problem is there’s not much offense on the market next year.
I don't see any way the Dodgers go after a starting pitcher
They will have:
Kershaw
Billingsley
Harang
Capuano
Rubby
Eovaldi
Then possibly Webster, Withrow, or even Zach Lee clawing at the door.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
i know, i said the smae thing to my brother. but if a lot of those pitchers end up hitting the market i would imagine their value would be deflated and it would be smart to sign one and trade away some of what we’ve got for some hitting.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Hamels is a must no matter what
Find a way to get rid of Capang or something. Plus, Nate Dogg is probably a reliever.
by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Unless we trade 2 or 3 of those guys to get some offense…
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I don't see any way they go after a starting pitcher
They will have:
Kershaw
Billingsley
Harang
Capuano
Rubby
Eovaldi
Then possibly Webster, Withrow, or even Zach Lee clawing at the door.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I don’t see how that list precludes us from going after someone good. There is only one for sure pitcher on that list. One.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
If they were making that movie today, they would omit the definite article and call it “Sure Thing.” Question: is that title better or worse?
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
“The” doesn’t make every title better, but in this case since the “Sure Thing” in this case is a person, and people are nouns, I go with the “The Sure Thing”
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
This is not the question
The question is why would they remake that POS.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
It’s always best to drop the the. Just ask Facebook.
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
it's really weird how out of vogue definite articles are now.
just look at band names.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
She Likes Cloth
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Strokes would be a completely different band
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
have to imagine much of that’s to do with our search engine optimized world. The just gets in the way
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
interesting take. as for band names, i always assumed it was just a backlash against the garage rock revival.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
In the mid-late 90’s, I was sure that no bad would be signed unless it had a misspelling and/or a number in its name.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
god those names sucked. as did their music.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Billingsley is under contract for that year, is he not?
Then apparently I forgot Lilly too. You have Lilly, Harang, Capuano all with one year left and making tons of money. Do you just eat the rest of what they are making and get a new big free agent starter?
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Probably
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe the relatively low price for Ethier is a bad sign. Perhaps both sides know his injury is more serious that we feared. Or maybe Ned played the Kim Ng card.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
or perhaps Dre took a fair offer on the table, in anticipation of his long term contract next year.
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Nolij’s point makes more sense to me. If both sides have knowledge of lingering injury issues, AND if those injury issues are going to be disclosed/discussed/have an impact on the arb hearing, then it’s in Ethier’s interest to avoid the hearing.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Germany
Ive been wondering how many players will go to Germany to get fixed like Kobe did now, and how many players this could really help? Wonder how much this procedure or whatever it is could change the game. In alot of sports.
If Ethier still has knee issues this year, I could see a trip to Octoberfest on his way to free agency.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I have an arthritic toe
Fucking Aetna won’t step up and foot the bill
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
“Kobe Bryant Procedure” to become as well known as “Tommy John Surgery”?
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
Doesn’t the “Kobe Bryant Procedure” already mean something else?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don’t get what those commercials are trying to sell
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Dam, wasnt Joel Pinero one of the top FA SPs just a few years ago? Now he’s signing minor league deals.
he's always been kind of a wildcard.
he’s had a couple randomly good seasons, but has been mediocre to below average overall.
Still, how does that become a minor league signing when you account for those who are getting major league deals. I also found it astonishing.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
He completely fell off a cliff in the second half last year.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
yeah yeah
but Vincente Padilla roped a major league contract.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
woops.
my bad. i just read 1.5 mil and assumed that was his stupid stupid contract.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
No he didn’t
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Even with a few bounce back starts in September, Pineiro after the All-Star break had a 7.11 ERA with 15 walks and 21 strikeouts in 56 innings, and gave up nine home runs.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and yet many major league starters have completely sucked not just in 2011 but for their whole careers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
only using court’s FA starting pitcher valuation method :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
i listed 11 FA pitchers
3 of which are undeniable aces (or close), the rest I called middle of the rotation. I stand by those claims. Whether or not they’ll make it to FA is another matter, but my valuation method is solid. SOLID AS A ROCK.
FOR THE RECORD
In regards to my comments on undervaluing McCutchen. After further research and deliberation with my baseball constituents I need to cop to being a complete jackass. It was a simple case of open mouth, insert foot.
I’d appreciate not being judged to harshly as I hope to have displayed a solid trackrecord of baseball knowledge in the past.
My bad homies!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Just say you thought we were talking about Daniel McCutchen, then it will be all good.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Lawrence McCutcheon
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Humma McClutchin’
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
No way, dude. I know Smokey only had that one year that he was any good, but I was always a fan.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Daylan McCutcheon was supposed to be legendary.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Blast from the Past
He was the first high school recruit I ever followed. He was on the cover of the first Cal-Hi Sports Magazine I ever read.
Also, Sherry Konopski was my first Playmate of the Month. August 1987.
there’s no record, we’re all just throwing spaghetti
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
I can understand what you are saying. In fact, with the preface that McCutchen is the better player, I’d rather keep Sands and the rest and sign Upton. Upton is not as good, but provides many of the same things that McCutchen does.
You way overvalue Mr Gywnn
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
point being, Gwynn will make between 1 and 2mil for that first year, and BJ Upton will make more money than seems reasonable. With the savings you could do more than upgrade 30 OPS+, you could solidify a rotation spot or upgrade at another position.
i literally do not understand how that works.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
its easy to find a guy who can put up an 86 ops+ I imagine
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
actually I wonder how low your OPS+ has to be for you to get -WAR
so 0.0 war is probably somewhere in the 60s or 70s. If you think of it that way it makes more sense.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I tihnk 30 points in OPS+ is huge
its the difference between upton and MVP MATT FUCKING KEMP
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
That is probably true, but that is quite different then
and TGJ provides much of what BJ Upton does, unless you find HRs to be sexy
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I was working under the assumption that Upton was still 2009 Upton or w/e it was when he struck out too much and didn’t get on base ever. That’s still true, but he got his SLG up high enough to be not a huge liability, and of course his glove is still elite. But if the gloves between him and TGJr are a wash, the difference is two .240 hitters but one hit 20 more HR last year.
I never tire
of this picture
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
ITS A SIGNIFIGANT DIFFERENCE
HE MAY NOT BE WORTH THAT MUCH MORE BUT SOMETIMES YOU OVERPAY TO GET TALENT.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Since the age of 22 BJ has had one bad year. Career OBP of .342.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
baseball reference backs me up on this
fangraphs seems to to, but gives gwynn a higher score defensively.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I will be an unhappy camper if Sands ends up being a bum. As for Webby I’m hoping / expecting the end result to be
Billingsley < Webby
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I think you have a pretty good shot at being an unhappy camper
not a lock at being miserable, but I’d expect to be salty if I were you
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder
what Willy is up to
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
isn't he in jail?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
A lot of players agreeing to deals today
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’d think an outfield of three right handed hitters without any left handed difference makers in the infield would be a disadvantage. Since you can no longer find good left hand hitting infielders other then 1st baseman, when we replace Andre, he needs to be replaced with a left hand hitter or we need one heck of a left handed 1st baseman.
Can’t see Texas spending all this money and then letting Hamilton walk.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Good thing we have a left handed hitting SS.
But point taken.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Sign Upton, trade a couple of prospects for Headley. Done.
Oh, wait. Punch Uribe in the face and tell him to GTFO. Done.
It just really bothers me for some reason
He has done nothing off the field to deserve such a thing, and I hardly think someone deserves to be punched in the face for being poor at their job, assuming they gave their best effort. Maybe its just bothering me more right now knowing jacoby jones is getting death threats and having people burn jerseys on his front lawn because he fumbled a fucking football.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
My apologies for hyperbole. I just have no desire to see Uribe play another inning for this team. Makes me a little frustrated he is here for two more seasons.
I am on the record
bounce back season for Juan
He will be ok
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
1) Look at Andruw Jones
2) It would almost be impossible for Uribe not to have a bounce-back season.
almost impossible?
what if he, you know, doesn’t hit very well?
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
2008: 76 OPS+, 353 PA
2009: 112 OPS+, 432 PA
2010: 102 OPS+, 575 PA
2011: 56 OPS+, 295 PA
You really think he’s going to do worse in 2012 than he did in 2011?
3rd baseman and 2nd baseman are kinda awful at hitting a baseball
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
like i said
he could do better than last year and still not be very good. or he could just be injured for more than half the season like last year.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
when I hear "bounce back"
i dont think “exceed the unbelievable shittiness from the last season.” i think that phrase implies they get “good” again. He may do better than a 56 OPS+, but that doesn’t mean it’s “impossible” for him not to bounce back
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Right, he would have to approach being a serviceable starter to be considered bounce back in my book. Sounds like a lot to ask.
.240/.300/.400 is serviceable, and reasonable.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Our bars are so low
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
They’re so low, even I can belly up to them.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
You’re rendering the term “bounce-back” meaningless. Bounce-back does not equal good.
The 2010-11 seasons exceeded what would be typical for Uribe, yet you’re saying that he has to reach that level to have a bounce-back season.
Come on, anyone can bounce back from being the worst hitter in baseball, for bounce back to have any meaning the season has to be useful.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
“The 2010-11 seasons exceeded what would be typical for Uribe, yet you’re saying that he has to reach that level to have a bounce-back season.”
I’m not really sure what this means.
I think you’re rendering “bounce back” meaningless. If Uribe has a 57 OPS+, is that technically a bounce back? If so, then who cares about a bounce back>
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think you’re splitting hairs. I’m not going to crow I was right if Uribe has a 57 OPS+.
However, if he bounces back to an 80 OPS, that’s meaningful even if it’s not “good.”
Based on this thread, the baseball irony gods are hard at work making this prediction come true.
1. Juan Uribe will bounce back and have an OPS of .750
2. His defense will be so bad that Russell Mitchel would be considered a defensive upgrade.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
if his defense is that bad next year...
I will continue believing the universe is a cruel hard place.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
yes and yes
he could be as bad, he could be worse, but he will probably be better
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
so what?
he was so bad last season that he could OPS .650 this year and still be “better.”
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
have you seen the numbers for the average 3bman?
he also plays good D
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no. i havent.
i still don’t think a .650 ops is good. aaron miles posted a .660 last year and that was ok because he was suppsoed to be a bench player. any starter that posts a .650 ops is not hitting very well (unless, of course, their OBP is astronomically high, which we know Uribe’s won’t be).
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
average OPS for a 3rd baseman or 2nd baseman these days
is around 680 to 690. Uribe is above average at defense.
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and that average is probably culled from any player that starts the game at 3b, whether or not they’re a full time starter. i’d be interested in seeing the average ops for players that are actually #1 on a team’s depth chart.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Longoria
Sandoval
Headley
Beltre
Young
Youkilis
A. Ramirez
Polanco
Prado
Roberts
Chipper
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
oh woops.
that was 11. and i forgot alex rodriguez.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
And Mike Schmidt
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Pie Traynor is due for a bounceback year.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Arlie Latham says Pie Traynor can fuck himself.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
That was not hard
Throw in youngsters likely to be better:
Moustakas
The Rockie Kid
Kyle Seager
Morel
and oldies
Rolen
Alex
That is without even looking at depth charts.
Even a “good” uribe is a lousy Uribe.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
and chipper could miss most of the year.. again
roberts could turn into a pumpkin ramirez is getting old etc. so whats the average ops for a “starting” 3rd baseman. I’m guessing it still doesn’t crack 700.
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hahaha
so we’re gonna just throw hypotheticals in there? they all could die in a plane crash to a “great 3b convention” making uribe a top 5 3b, but so what? you asked me to name 10 3b that don’t suck, and i did, FTW.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
you do realize I was replying to phils comment
which was filled with hypotheticals right? RIGHT?!?
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I'm excited about the Rockies 3B prospect
Though it sucks he’s a rocky, lol.
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prado had a .687 ops last year
palanco had a .674 ops. Michael Young is not a 3rd baseman. Yokilis missed. So basically there are 10 good 3rd baseman. Uribe doesn’t have to do much to be as mediocre as the other 19.
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Make it easier, look at the teams, name me a 3rd baseman in 2012 who will not be better then Juan Uribe?
Heck for several years we’ve had the worse offensive 1st baseman. In 2012 we get to see if we can have the worst 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, SS, and 3rd baseman. Good times await us all.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Chone Figgins?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Kyle Seager will probably start. No big deal but still better.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
you guys aren't bringing your A game
neither of you metnioned zimmerman or that kid in Miami.
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I actually think Uribe can be better then Dominguez in 2012 but not Hanley
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
exactly.
people just need to take the blue tinted glasses off. uribe is not a good hitter. even for a 3b.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
i was responding to an argument that a .650 ops is good for a 3b. so in that case, yes.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
You put words in my mouth
I iddn’t say it was good. I said his D could make him “goodish”
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I didn't say he was
I said he could do enough to be mediocre to not completely bad enough that his D could make up the difference and he could be useful.
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I am on the record
Juan Uribe could bounce back
he would still suck, because Juan Uribe is not good at hitting a baseball.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Reality intervenes.
Juan Uribe will not post an OPS ala 2009 in the .824 range
Juan Uribe will not post an OPS ala 2010 in the .749 range
Juan Uribe will not post an OPS ala 2011 in the I am the worst hitter in baseball range
He will post an OPS in the .640 – .680 range and while everyone can crow he had a bounce back that is still not going to help a team score runs with an infield of Loney / Ellis / Gordon / Uribe and AJ Ellis behind the plate. Kemp and Andre will only be able to do so much.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like we’ll have pretty similar projections this year, Phil.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
What part of my original comment do people disagree with?
“Uribe is a good defensive player and it’s more likely than not that he’ll have a bounce-back year offensively. That certainly is not setting the bar high, and I’ve not been a fan of his contract from day one, but I would offer that he’s probably being underestimated for 2012.”’
It’s not like I said he was gonna be an All-Star or even a good player.
people want to hate Dodgers named Juan
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Rivera
isn’t that enough?
How much hate is good enough for you man?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Castro, Pierre, Rivera, Uribe, Encarnacion, Samuel…
I can’t think of one I liked.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Ewww. Juan Samuel. First Dodger I ever hated!
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Did I stutter?
people want to hate Dodgers named Juan
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I call it “Dickishness”, but hey that’s just me
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
If you admit that he might not even be a good player, then I guess we agree. In that case, who cares if he bounces back.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that is pretty much the point we agree on.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Admit? Yes, you’ve gotten me to concede what I have felt along.
However, if you don’t think the difference between an OPS+ in the 50s and one in the 70s or 80s is significant, we do disagree. It will help, and the Dodgers need every bit of help they can get.
Last place teams care about 80 OPS+ being helpful, not teams in contention discussing their starting 3rd baseman.
Not sure which is more helpful, a 57 OPS+ from someone who luckily got hurt and did not play much or 600 at bats from an 80 OPS+
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
this is about the stupidest baseball conversation we have ever had here
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
All that means is that the level of discourse regarding baseball has finally devolved to the level of discourse regarding everything else.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
That’s just flat-out wrong.
So if Russell Martin had had a 60 OPS+ instead of an 85 OPS+ for the 2009 Dodgers, that wouldn’t have mattered?
If David Freese had had a 100 OPS+ instead of a 120 OPS+ for St. Louis, the Cardinals don’t even make the playoffs in 2011.
Twenty points of OPS+ matters, whatever your team is.
Okay, just speaking for myself I simply don’t care if a player has an OPS of 60 or 80 they both are not good enough to be playing everyday for a team in contention.
The difference going up from that point is different for me.
If Juan Uribe bounces all the way back to his 2010 level, then hell yeah, I will be excited, if he does his White Sox season, I couldn’t care less.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Juan Uribe was less than useless last year
That won’t be the case this year. He won’t be good, but hell, with his defense he might be close to average, if just below average.
It WILL make a difference.
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to return the discussion to baseball...
he might be the best bet for 2b/3b this season. i cant really imagine hairston/ellis/kennedy doing better at the plate than uribe. well, im sure some of them will get on base more, but i think people hold out hope that uribe can hit 15+ hr.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
BUT
I’m gonna go on record saying I don’t think he bounces back like Jon or Joe predict.
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Uribe is a good defensive player and it’s more likely than not that he’ll have a bounce-back year offensively. That certainly is not setting the bar high, and I’ve not been a fan of his contract from day one, but I would offer that he’s probably being underestimated for 2012.
I’d offer that he’s being over estimated by those expecting a “bounceback” to turn into a useful hitter.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t personally blame Uribe for not being very good, or for getting a bad contract.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I think if Texas signs Fielder they would let Hamilton walk. But other than that, I agree I think Texas will try to keep Hamilton
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Half the people can be part right all of the time, and some of the people can be all right part of the time, but all the people can’t be all right all of the time.
Classic
I forgot: who did Dylan say said that? Abe Lincoln? Mark Twain? I forgot.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
“I think Abraham Lincoln said that. I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours. I said that.”
by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
So I'm trying out Netflix
through my PS3. Re-watching Breaking Bad season 1. It’s pretty sweet, and I may decide to keep it once my free month is up.
’
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
dam, you have a PS3? crazy, wouldnt have expected that.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I'm old, not dead
I was playing video games when you were in diapers. And you’ll probably be playing them when I’m in diapers
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
this has all happened before
and will all happen again
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
haha, I was gonna say, did they have a senior discount or something? im just playin… yeah thats cool man, just thought maybe you were one of those im too old for video games, or video games are for kids…. which is a reaction from most older gentlemen I believe….. But I can see it with you, I see the kid in you from some of your comments and I love that
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
just curious though, exactly what video games were you playing 33 years ago when I was in diapers? was it that pong or whatever on Atari??
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
That's 1979?
Then mainly asteroids and centipede
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Then you were still in diapers in 1979!
Sincerely yours, Captain Literal
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
haha, oh yeah, I was thinking of my birth year.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t think, would hate for you to hurt yourself on our account
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
no, its ok… im at work, I can get disability… been waiting for that day to come.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I want to say that there
Were both Intellivision and Colecovision back then. Plus some other games like Dr. J vs. Larry Bird and RPGs.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I had Mattel Intellivision
that shit rocked
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
in the early 80's
I was on a serious Sierra Games jag. King’s Quests, Leisure Suit Larry, etc.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I was more a Broderbund fan
Oregon Trail, Carmen Sandiego…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Lots of good old movies on netflix
also lots of the worst movies ever made
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
hey now
Big Trouble in Little China is a classic!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Netflix has the new Sherlock series with the guy from The Office who’s gonna be The Hobbit and Benedict Cumberbatch which is an even more ridiculous name than Sherlock Holmes.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
yeah I need to get on that
they also have Dr Who. Plenty of stuff to watch if your entire life isn’t dedicated to watching TV and Movies as soon as they come out.
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Thats what I dont like, take off the shitty movies and add more good movies… more new movies to be specific…. Wonder when the time will come you can stream any movie ever made on 1 service… except the ones in theatres or whatever.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
you may enjoy Netflix, however I had the same reaction as you, and would assume everyone does that tries it…. But then as time goes on, I got over it, wasnt using it enough, and then canceled. But alot of others use it alot, so that could be you too.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I still get plenty of use out of it
I don’t watch a ton of tv, so I’m usually a year or two behind on shows, so I can watch a bunch of them on Netflix for cheap.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Netflix rules
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
David Price got $4.35 million from the Rays as a Super Two, the same number Dontrelle Willis and Cole Hamels (as part of a 3-year deal) got when they were Super Twos. The record for first-time arb pitchers….normal pitchers that is.
Loney signs
The Dodgers avoided arbitration with first baseman James Loney on a deal worth $6.375MM plus performance bonuses, according to his agency CAA.
OMG WTF
THATS 6.375 MILLION TOO MUCH. LONEY SHOULD BE PAYING US HE SUCKS SO BAD. LETS MURDER HIS FAMILY.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
No jury would convict us.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
as long
as we don’t punch him in the face. That’s beyond the pale
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
haha come on nolander… are fans not allowed to say things they dont mean out of passion??
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
i'm going to punch your mom in your face because your comment annoyed me
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by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
god damn
this really did make me laugh out loud
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
he says
“Kim Ng? I taught her everything she knows, but not everything I knows”
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I want BJ Upton if he's a free agent next year
His bat isn’t a big bat, but he’s shown he can have a high OBP and he’s shown some pretty good HR power. He’s an above average fielder and think he would be great to have anywhere in the outfield.
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true or false
People hate “fat” Dodgers more easily than they hate Dodgers who appear or are more fit?
Forster Syndrome
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Counterpoint: Mike Fetters.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
and I hated him
Still do actually
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I'm one of the fat people
So I don’t have any problem with that, unless you’re andruw jones who just eats your contract in twinkies in one offseason.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I was big fan of Belliard and Jones. I like round players, Pablo is awesome. Juan Uribe is not.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
maybe the next thread will bounce back
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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