James Loney Signs For $6.375 Million, Avoids Arbitration
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST
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PrintThe Dodgers avoided arbitration with James Loney today, signing him to a one-year deal worth $6.375 million plus performance bonuses, per his agency CAA. Last week I guessed a 2012 salary of $7.25 million for Loney, and now I'm kicking myself for not sticking with my original guess of $6 million. Oh well. Loney gets a 30.8% raise over his $4.875 million 2011 salary.
Loney has performance bonuses of up to $125,000 per Tony Jackson of ESPN LA: $25,000 for 585 plate appearances, and $50,000 each for 625 and 650 plate appearances.
That just leaves Clayton Kershaw, the Minotaur in the room, seemingly ready to challenge arbitration records. We will find out soon what salary figures were filed by both Kershaw and the team, unless the two sides agree to a deal soon.
Even if they don't agree to a deal with Kershaw, it is still likely he signs a deal before seeing the inside of an arbitration hearing. The Dodgers' last arbitration case was in 2007, when relief pitcher Joe Beimel asked for $1.25 million and the Dodgers countered with a salary of $912,500. The Dodgers won that case, with the help of current team director of baseball contracts Alex Tamin, who at the time worked for the law firm of Jeffer Mangels Butler & Mitchell.
The Dodgers now have $78.975 million committed to 16 players for 2012, with another $22.2 million (roughly) in dead money.
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Loney kills another good thread
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
That photo caption would be confusing if it were the first image of a baseball game you had ever seen.
he would have just gone and stepped on first, but Shawn Green moved it in 2002.
by G.Scott on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if "the accident"
had much affect on the deal he settled for?
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
Probably not much other than the initial “what the fuck, James?” chat that happened once the team found out.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
this is more of a Julio thing
But there was a major shake up in PAC-12 football recruiting circles yesterday because Washington hired Cal’s top recruiter as one of their defensive coaches.
The fallout was immediate as Cal’s top D-Line recruit changed his verbal commitment to UCLA and Cal’s top D-Back recruit will probably end up at Washington.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
blew up twitter yesterday, it’s a shame.
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
The weird part about that too is that a bunch of people still think McCarthy will flip to USC. Seems like UCLA did a good job to get him in Westwood though.
The whole high school recruiting process is odd.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Imagine if there was no NFL draft, going through this process but with the ability to throw silly money at college players
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Man, I just found out Darron Thomas declared for the draft… guess that happened saturday, that was unexpected right??
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
essentially, but 14 year olds aren’t very likely to sign with Tottenham if they grew up in Merseyside, the bidding war isn’t as competitive
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
not very much, the real money is made when they’re sold off after they’re of age
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
isn't it?
Regarding Shaq Thompson, people are expecting him to follow Lupoi because Lupoi is “one of his boys”. Really? Penn State jokes aside, how does a middle-aged man become “boys” with a 17-18 year-old kid? I just don’t know how kids are able to believe a smidgen of the BS that comes out of football coaches mouths?
I think because some of those coaches have known these kids since middle school (Jr High)… College coaches follow these kids around for 4 years or more, thats enough time for a kid to grow close to a certain coach, and trust him.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
following High School recruiting
On message boards can be annoying
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ellis McCarthy FTW
I was ecstatic that McCarthy verbaled to UCLA, but USC going to put the full-court press to snag him before signing day. I heard his parents are big UCLA-backers though, so that’s a bit assuring.
I think Shaq Thompson follows Lupoi to U-Dub.
yeah McCarthy's
Dad is friends with one of the new UCLA coaches. Some think that McCarthy was going to switch anyway since he had arranged for a official visit this weekend.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Notre Dame picked up Gunner Kiel (#1 rated pro style QB) and Tee Shepard today. I’m a happy man.
I can’t really get excited about BSU recruits because you have to dig forever just to find little tidbits on 3 star recruits.
He is most of the time. There are always those few plays where it looks like he missed the play call or something and he whiffs completely on the block, but I think that happens with all guys that are asked to block.
That is my personal opinion of him. I have absolutely no clue what scouts have to say about his blocking.
I think it’s a lock that CK will get some IP and Cy Young placment bonuses. What about a K bonus, do they do those?
Can’t have bonuses for stats other than playing time-based ones, unless you are A-Rod or Pujols and can use the “historical achievement” card that needs to approved for the commissioner for life.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I dont think so. Btimm told me you cant place performance bonuses on HRs, etc, so I would assume K’s is the same… can only get things like inning pitched, games played, awards, etc. Something like that.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I also don’t think it’s a lock he will have any bonuses, especially on a one-year deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Fair point
But I think at least a Cy Young award bonus (placement or win) could be up for discussion.
by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
If he signs a one-year deal, the Cy Young bonus is setting a new record next year in arbitration.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In 2012 we get to see if we can have the worst 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, SS, and 3rd baseman. Good times await us all.
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently, Bizarro saw The Infield in the 1970s and has decided to buy the team and put his own spin on it.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
Loney details per Tony Jackson
dodgerscribe
Loney deal is $6.375 mill plus $25k for 585 PAs, $50k for each of 625/650 PAs. Would max out at $6.5 mill
If Jim Shows up
He will be the toast of this board. Like a dope fiend cousin finally getting it together and turning his life around.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
But a dope fiend fat cousin would be hated.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Only because he always hogs all the latkes.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah. Knock that off, Shlomo.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
are good on lots of things
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
speaking of which
the area of Brooklyn I moved to is supposed to have one of the best Polish restaurants in all of NYC.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Also, you're in bagel country now
Had any yet?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
have had a couple of bagels
I work in a swanky area of Brooklyn…so lots of over priced mediocre sandwich places, but there is a bagel place near here and they are quite good. Expensive though. And the Pizza really is great here…..Also, great Jamaican food…..beyond that L.A owns….hands down. You all are in a wonderful food city. I miss it a lot..
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
oh
and my neighborhood (where I live) has a high concentration of Arab immigrants, and all of the food along the avenue adjacent to my street is middle eastern and quite good.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Patties, jerk, cocobread, rice and peas, ox tail, curry goat….
I love me some jamaican food…
Any of you guys remember Janet’s on MLK? so effin good
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Jamaican food
is something I’ve not got a lot of experience with
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
very hard to find jerk chicken cooked over wood and flames anywhere in the states…most places you find it grilled or baked or even stewed….Janets did it the old school way and it was sublime…they lost their business after the riots which was a blow to me as a kid as it was one of the spots my opos and I went a lot.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Yes you would marty….though hard to find in LA. After Janets I havent found anything very good….For west indian food in L.A, go Beliezean…..
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Polka in Glassell Park
is a Polish Restaurant I love to go to
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I had a great Los Angeles night last night
Ate Ramen and Yaki at Robata Jinya, took a walk, got in the car, decided I was still a bit peckish, got street tacos at LaBrea and Olympic
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I’m sure afterwards you were knackered, and so got a bit of kip
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
fug it
juan uribe is going to win the mvp.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
by nolander on Jan 17, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Phil
I paid the 35 dollars for the tournament. When is it actually happening again?
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Until people stop answering my questions
I will keep asking them :)
thanks
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on a side note
Visited the LA Regional Food Bank recently, great staff and organization
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Seems the settling this winter has not be as lucrative as expected.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I can’t make any rhyme or reason of it. It’s a fool’s errand.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Had to post this image
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
THERE IS NOTHING!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Could it be
That Ned is working on a long term deal which is why nothing has been announced?
/pipe dream
Kershaw’s left hand is sore from signing too many books. That’s the only thing holding up the announcement.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t sign books with your pitching hand!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, Ned has an extra two million to work with and is feverishly trying to see if Juan Cruz will take it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As long as Ned's not working on a long term deal for Ned
by preacher roe on Jan 17, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ned
Has a undisclosed long term deal with a reported opt out for Ned at the end of 2012.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Sport of Fitness has Arrived
I don’t know if you could come up with a slogan that says less to me
like most sports
I’m bad at that one
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m lovin’ it
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Can we have a debate between what is the more ambiguous adjective, SOLID or BOUNCE-BACK?
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
It's cliche coming from me
but Burger King is testing out home delivery service somewhere in the U.S.
Now back to this one…
I would think it only makes sense for people who live in the densely populated cities. Like NYC.
I lived in Hoboken, NJ for a few years and every restaurant in town offered free delivery.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I just can't get the depressing image
of cold, soggy fries out of my head
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Just to prove I can ruin more then one thread
Do you people really care if a player has an OPS+ of 80 instead of 60 in 600 at bats? As though that will change the fortune of a team?
Not that I’m trying to ruin this thread, I’m just asking for clarification.
Because I firmly believe that Mark Teahen is going to bounce from his 55 OPS+ level in 2011 back to his normal 90OPS+ and I’d really like that left handed bat on the bench and able to play 3rd base in case Juan gets hurt again. And if you guys love the possibility of an 80 OPS+ at 3rd you might orgasm over someone who could put up a 90. At this point Adam Kennedy or Josh Fields or Russell Mitchell appear to be the back up options. Which would seem to be important when the starting 3rd baseman only had 290 plate appearances the previous year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i figure a team needs a cumulative OPS+ of XXX, and if Juan Uribe goes up 20 points and Kemp goes down 20 points, we’d be cool.*
I don’t know if this actually works.
that number
Is obscene
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’d take Teahan, because, yeah our options beyond an already terrible Uribe is pretty scary. I know people are hoping Uribe improves, but the way he looked when healthy last season it seems like an 80 OPS+ would be a lot to ask for.
Teahan
As a Dodger, how long until he is christened “Teabag” and who is the regular TBLAer who gives the moniker to him?
Discuss
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'm thinking marty
after 2 months of him playing 2011 Juan Uribe-like baseball.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
He was hurt all year?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
pretty much
in fact the healthiest period were probably those 3 games he raked
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well then, he should be the epitome of health this season if that was the case.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Would we have cared if Kemp OPS+ed 150 instead of 171?
I think so, that makes the difference from All-Star to MVP (damn you Braun!).
Honestly I think the difference will be from 57 to the mid 90s, so it will be a giant difference for Uribe if I’m right, which isn’t completely farfetched.
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Short answer: yes
It’s hard to pin down a real example, but the best I can come up with is this, a pair of centerfielders, using offense only here:
Drew Stubbs, 86 OPS+ in 681 PA, had 1.9 oWAR (the Baseball-Reference version)
Alex Rios, 65 OPS+ in 570 PA, had -1.0 oWAR
If we set them both to 600 PA, it becomes:
Stubbs: 1.67 oWAR
Rios: -1.05 oWAR
So if you are asking if 2.75 extra wins would help, yes I think it would.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Excellent reply
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
gary is backing away slowly
and court has no idea how this works
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Like you said though, I don’t necessarily think this is linear. Just trying to find a real world example.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
??? I’m confused once by the way you frame a stat and suddenly im the guy who doesn’t understand war?
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 1:14 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
you where never clear why you didn't understand how it worked
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I’d call is directionally correct
Not sure it is level enough to build a house on, but certainly flat enough to pitch a tent for the night
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Luckily, cause if it was on a slant, Uribe would roll off.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
It ain’t an election, dude
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nice intro video.
Okay HJ
this dude or Cuban?
by NotJoeTorre on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Cuban
this dude makes me want to revoke his vowel
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I fear the big money guy will win and I’ll end up despising him more then George Steinbrenner, thus forcing me into an unpleasant situation.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Possible, I will consult with Yankee fans on the proper protocol.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
As a Laker fan, I feel dirty for posting this
But give respect where it’s due, says I: Red is an all-time great, no question.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Honest mistake
I hear “guy with cigar”, I think Auerbach.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
I think Bill Clinton
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think of George Carlin, talking about a “big brown dick.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not sure why it popped into my mind, but that Dodger fan that sings DSB on the big screen… Whats his name? Anyone ever met him? Does he post on any Dodger blogs? Thanks!
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
His name is Jameson Moss. I’m embarrassed to know that.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Steiner mentions him on the radio every so often. Also, I am afraid that I imdb-ed him after he happened to be on an episode of some Disney Channel show that was on when I was too lazy to find the remote.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I don't care what people say about it
Don’t Stop Believing is awesome, and that guy is awesome too. On Star Wars night he dressed up like Obi Wan and had a light saber…too awesome
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
so does this guy just happen to have his own season seats and just acted goofy enough one day to get on the big screen and now gets on every time he is there? He gets no money or tickets free from the Dodgers to do it is my question.
You are way too interested in his story, but here you go.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
We all met with Josh Rawitch last year when he was the VP of Communications for the Dodgers and he mentioned a few things:
a) Jameson let’s them know when he will be at the game and they set him up with tickets and the camera crew.
b) 4 out of 5 people polled like don’t stop believin
[takes out list, writes down ‘TomasC’]
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
But…but…I like Dr. Pepper!!!
No, you’re right…there’s no excuse.
[adds self to Eric’s list in bold letters]
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Cohen?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
First words out of Uribe’s mouth this spring will be
“I’m in the best shape of my life”
“My arm hurts”
“I’m going to swing harder then ever before because after reviewing the tapes I think the problem was that I did not swing hard enough. Maybe closing my eyes will help”
“I had lasik surgery this winter, I can finally see again”
“I’m going back to way I hit when I was a Giant, they kept trying to change me, to get me to make contact, that is not Juan’s game, Juan’s game is to swing hard and hope the pitcher made a mistake”
“What do you mean bounce back?”
“I can’t wait to take my first spring nap”
“I’m going to hit more home runs then Panda”
“Can you believe I make more money then Clayton Kershaw? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha "
“I’m going to steal more bases this year”
“I’m going for 100/100 this year, 100 striketous, 100 games missed”
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Daaaaamn
From Eric Fisher, Sports Business Journal:
#Tigers say Victor Martinez tore ACL during offseason conditioning and could be lost for ’12. Break for rest of AL Central?
Ouch
Somewhere Johnny Gomez is doing a jig
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good time to bring Carlos Pena home?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
KC can feel the crack widening
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
that's shitty
I hate to see good players miss so much time.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Losing Victor
Avila becoming normal
Peralta becoming normal
Verlander not being all world
Fisher falling so flat he will be called Old World
Was not feeling much of Tiger vibe before this. Now
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, can't expect another 25 wins from Verlander
And not sure if Avila is really as good as he showed last year.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Course they have 15 games to work with.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta watch out for those Royals, it could (finally) be their year. Probly not.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I would like Cleveland to make some noise.
by NotJoeTorre on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
as much as people say the nl west is up for grabs, the al central seems like the biggest mystery. i don’t see a favorite or even two favorites
by court168627 on Jan 17, 2012 1:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
At least a year early, but if Sanchez can deliver in a new environment they might have the horses if it is only going to take 83-85 wins to make it happen.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
yes it would
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Arbitration hearings
Why exactly is K-Rod getting closer money when he accepted ARB as a set up man?
Can’t cut his pay more then 20%?
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
what would happen if he set up all year again and accepted ARB next offseason? Still would get paid like a closer?
by NotJoeTorre on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
would probably get less, based on his launch year.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
8 mil looks like a bargain
compared to 17.5 million dollars. Omar Minaya FTW
by NotJoeTorre on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Missed the Laker game, how did Odom look?
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Better
But still pretty shitty overall…he said himself he’s still working into game shape. It was an ugly game all around…thank God for Fisher’s late game heroics.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Being that Fisher has been one of the all time great Laker supporting cast, tis a shame to see that he’s done. I would rather he retire in grace, then start suffering taunts from dickish Laker fans as his career comes to an end.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I agree… He has a player option next season. Probably picks it up for one more payday before he retires. I agree im ashamed of the way fellow Laker fans are turning their backs on him like that….. Dude has done so much for us, and IMO has earned a free pass… No matter how shitty he gets, I cant ever say bad things about him, he’s a champion.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I hear you
Most of those “fans” hate him until he hits a big shot, and then they praise him until the next time one of the other 29 faster PGs in the league blows by him for a layup.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
agreed
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fishyrim deserves better than he gets right now.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He looked alright, better then he has been I guess, hit a few 3’s… Alot of the media that was a turn the page game, and will play better now…. We’ll see, made me miss him alot seeing him. I’d love to know what Kobe said to him before Fisher hit that game winning 3.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Crowd gave him a standing ovation when he first came into the game
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
From SBNation Clipper Blog
As most of you are aware at this point, Chris Sheridan reported yesterday that Dwight Howard has added the Clippers to the list of teams he would be willing to play for. While this is significant in that it represents another major milestone in the reimagination of the Clippers as an elite NBA franchise, it doesn’t mean that Howard is going to be wearing red, white and blue any time soon.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Just saw that
Scary thought for the rest of the league…the Clippers as a “super team” almost defies logic, but I wonder what assets they would have to move in order to get Dwight in the first place. A Paul/Griffin/Howard trio is potentially ridiculous, though.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Hmmm
Trade DJ and other good things for Love
Trade Griffin for Howard
Win titles
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
haha nooooo way, you’d trade Griffin for Howard?? wow, thats interesting…. Word is Clippers wont, they wouldnt trade Griffin for anyone.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Clippers might not, but I would. All day every day
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Mike asked me this a few weeks ago and I was unsure: would I trade both Bynum and Gasol for Howard? I was hesitant, but the more I think of it I would totally do it. I just don’t think it necessarily needs to happen until July. But I would do it whenever; it’s the best long-term play.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm torn as well
Do you trade one All-Star PF and a potentially top-tier C for the best C in the game and his poor-defending, bad-contract-having SF running mate? I really don’t know: I have attachments to Pau and Drew from their title runs, but the chance to land D12 is indeed tantalizing.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
I don't think both will need to be moved for Dwight
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
It would take a hell of an offer to get him away from Orlando right now. Unless they are blown out of the water (I’m not even sure Pau and Bynum is big enough right now) I don’t see him being traded until around the deadline.
I don’t think just one of them will get the deal done though. Both will need to be included in the trade somehow. Be that in a 3 or 4 team trade or straight up.
I agree I think it comes down to deadline, I think Orlando waits it out, forsure atleast until after ASG thats in Orlando….. I think one of them could get him…. Of the teams Howard is willing to go to, who can beat Bynum, along with taking back Turkey Glues contract?? I’d say Clippers if they were willing to deal Griffen, but I dont think they will.
deal isnt done because Orlando wants both, according to media, or because they still are holding out hope of keeping Howard…. What Magic want, and what they get, are 2 different things. I think Bynum and Gasol is too much IMO. Just to upgrade from the 2nd best C to the best C, and now its being debated if Bynum isnt the best C after all. Problem with Bynum is the health issues, and I understand doing it for those reasons, but not for both…. Also IMO a PG is a way bigger need then Dwight Howard is.
If you’re trading for Howard then you are doing it because you are worried about Bynum’s health and because you are getting a guy to build your next team around. I don’t see any way they trade for Howard and still be able to win right now. Not with what it will take to make the trade and the current makeup of the team.
exactly, I agree, which is why I dont want to do it because I rather just go for it these few years, then rebuild. Kenny Smith says were 1 guard away. I agree with that, I feel were 1 player away. How we get that player without losing any current starters, I dont know, and might not be possible.
The only thing the Lakers have of any value at all to trade is the exemption.
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hmmm, I dont know…. maybe, its tough one for me.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I dont know what I would do… part of me wants to just stay as is and go for it…. hard to win title and rebuild at same time…. I think right now I’d like to stay as is, if I can pick up a piece by trading that TPE and picks, I do it… or wait for Brooks and that former Nugget I cant remember his name right now to return from China, and sign one of them.
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Besides, Shaq and Barkley were just saying last night that right now Bynum is best center in the league… thats good enough for me haha
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Shaq said that
Barkley vehemently disagreed
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 12:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Let's show both sides of the stories, though
Drew has played very well since returning from the suspension, but Dwight’s trade demand has been wearing on him: he’s mentally checked out and not playing at his best. Taking a healthy Drew at his peak and pairing him against Howard playing at his top level, I believe, would be an entertaining and closer-than-expected match, but ultimately go to Dwight.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
In a world where Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis were traded
I honestly don’t believe ANYONE is untouchable.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Their contracts were considered "immovable"
I know it’s a different concept, but I’m just trying to illustrate that no one player is above being moved, whether it’s a superstar (ala Deron Williams), a young, up-and-coming player (Eric Gordon), or a decent player with a terrible contract (Hedo Turkoglu).
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Assuming you're not trading Blake
That’s kind of the problem….
If Orlando was happy with a package of Bledsoe/Jordan, I would laugh my ass off at how stupid Orlando is.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Mike, what about you? You’d trade Griffen for Howard?
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, probably not. I’d think about it though.
Unless LAC is also getting Kevin Love (as per Phil’s proposal above), then I’d have no problems.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
or the more important question
would the Clippers, given what it seems they would have to trade, be better off with Howard? Just because Howard would graciously allow the Clippers to trade for him, does that mean the Clippers should?
I think Howard is a much bigger impact player than Griffin. I don’t think it would work out well for them to trade for him though.
Knicks have Chandler
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m actually thinking he remains with Magic rest of season… him and Deron Williams go to Dallas in offseason.
don't see the Magic letting that happen
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
They look metal to me, just caked in dirt.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
All that digging in at the batter’s box can get your cleats mighty muddy.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Ignorant question
don’t most players where rubber spikes now?
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Paying for pink slime with white slime
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I just laughed and laughed when I saw that
its a little sad that she values her services so low though.
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Where does Loney's salary rank among MLB players?
Right in between these two:
121 Scott Rolen CIN $6,500,000
122 Placido Polanco PHI $6,250,000
Looks meaningful but is really insignificant, HJ style.
Saunders re-signs with Arizona (added to Ian Kennedy, Daniel Hudson, Josh Collmenter, Trevor Cahill).
Nice to have a fifth starter like him knowing you have 24 and Skaggs waiting.
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hah I don't know
I just want them to sign someone as their 5th starter, and I would take Oswalt.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
It seems like they are more likely to get Woods or Cordero
and just let the 5th starters spot work itself out
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maybe you don’t sign Pujols and then hope Jerome was the real deal?
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it seems odd that they are doing nothing to shore up the 5th starter spot
money must be tight. Moreno is a cheapass.
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Seeing that it's you
It’s hard to tell if this is a joke or not, lol.
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maybe I need a meercat esque account
for when I’m feeling fiesty. But then when would I post on Nolander?
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he’s irritating but not ignorant. So joke it must be
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Yeah — irritating and ignorant is MY job!
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
They have him, as part of a bunch of rookie/NRI types. Garrett Richards in the mix too.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Garret Richards is probably not ready yet though
they will need someone to get them through the early part of the season, unless they want to chatwood him. Man Richards got smashed hard when I saw him pitch to end the year.
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I graduated barely 17, others were 19.
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I graduated at 17 too
youngest in my class
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I might not have been youngest, but I was 17 as well. Started college at 17 too
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
17 and a half for me
I never remember talking to anyone in my 800+ person class that was younger than me.
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He pitched in college too so started out at a higher level once he was signed
Zach Lee never would have started higher than LoA.
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I would not trade Gasol and Bynum for Howard.
I would however do my best to find the Lowry in the rough.
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I’d be down for Deron Williams to the Lakers with a Pau-centric package going to New Jersey.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I can see that
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 1:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Pondering if a Pau package could pry preeminent point guard Russell Westbrook from OKC
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hard to imagine a team coming off an NBA Finals appearance trading their second best player.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
A trade like that wouldn’t happen until the offseason, and I think OKC is the clear favorite in the West.
But I worded it in such a way to protect the Lakers and Pau too :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
not that the Thunder are a lock to get to the Finals, but they should have the best record in the West (I’ll be shocked if they don’t), and will have every advantage to get there.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
long shot for sure
But there may be a divide between what he wants to be paid and what the Thunder want to pay him.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 2:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Brooks kid looked to have some skills
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No, MarShon Brooks, shooting guard. Just saying he was the most impressive Net yesterday. Looked good for a 25th pick.
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yeah why cant Lakers ever find a steal like that…. besides the fact they havent had many 1st round picks lately because they’ve all been traded or sold, but fuck man. Can I get a Rondo? A Tony Parker? Cant really remember the last time the Lakers have hit on a late pick, since Van Exel and Fisher. Lakers even cut alot of scouting staff too. Hopefully cuz they sucked, need to invest more in scouting.
Derek Fisher?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Oh, you named him. Lakers have gotten some value from late picks — Madsen, Farmar, Turiaf…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Phil Jackson had an aversion to playing rookies. I wonder if Gilbert Arenas or Manu Ginobili would’ve cracked a PJ rotation their first couple years in the league.
McRambis is baller you crazy? haha… Bynum, McRambis, Barnes, Kobe and Deron Williams would be better then 1st round exit I think.
Basketball Fans, care to do a list of solid point guards who only two years ago were considered draft busts?
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Billups was considered a bust after his first two years in the league
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
so is this like hte NFL where you should wait 3 years to evaluate a draft?
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Lately with the one and done, I think you have to because so many are coming in the league with the athletic skills but not the basketball skills.
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It’s also the rise of AAU basketball that’s played a role in the decline of fundamental team basketball.
lmao
I love when he squirts lighter fluid on Sally Sitwell and then says that.
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"college basketball prospects"
are no longer primarily trained by their high school coaches. who only have a few months of in-season basketball plus any additional offseason training, whereas AAU basketball teams play year-round.
AAU basketball is unparalleled in terms of athleticism, but very short on structure and fundamentals. While AAU teams will run some semblance of an offensive system, it’s not more than rolling a ball onto the court and having the superior athletes have at it. Team defense is not emphasized in AAU basketball as much as individual defense. The individual is the most emphasized aspect of AAU basketball, as coaches/managers sell the idea of getting an individual to the next level. This typically entails assembling the greatest amount of talent on the team for exposure to college scouts.
Take Rick Pitino and Kentucky for instance. Considering his proclivity for assembling monster recruiting classes centered on one-and-dones, Kentucky is essentially a glorified AAU team. For all the talent Pitino has assembled, the closest he came to winning the Final Four was the year he had Derrick Rose, which ended up being vacated.
This isn’t showing your work more than it is throwing out more stereotypes.
Also, Derrick Rose went to Memphis and was coached by John Calipari.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
My bad… brain fart on Calipari.
You’re right. I don’t have fangraphs or collegebasketball-reference to SABR some numbers about how AAU basketball has adversely affected fundamental basketball. I only have my worthless opinion based on anecdotal evidence that I’ve accumulated over the years following high school recruiting and college basketball from a fan’s perspective.
/I’ll STFU now.
It’s the rise of UAA basketball that has led to more fat cousins playing basketball.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I was wondering if the Suns would deal Nash. I know the Lakers need youth and athleticism, but for a 1-2 year window, why not?
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Have no idea. How much is he worth now? Contract status?
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Nash makes $11,689,062 this season, final year on contract…. maybe Suns buy him out and we get him that way.
Nash would have to basically force his way out, and he doesn’t seem like someone who would do that.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
no way
Trading him is a long shot. Dude is a fan favorite
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
?
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david price has cost kershaw by settling low at $4.35M. some figured price at $5.5M. price says he loves #rays. believe it.
Apparently
on their off day, the Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots, San Francisco 49ers and New York Giants are in Indianapolis today to look over facilities.
I was under the impression that only the advanced scouts went to Indy. That’s what I’d hear about the Giants and 49ers anyway.
by Michael White on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
they all stand around for 5 minutes, then
“titty bar?”
“titty bar”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Updated pic on profile of my daughter and my brother
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Will Billy Beane be the one to eat the cookie?
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“It’s incredibly hard”
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
to the Dodgers?
Sure
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Would you support Christina Hendricks and Angelina Jolie approaching Bride and saying, “You know, we were just talking, and we think you and your husband are just about the most attractive people we’ve ever seen, so how about we get it on?”
Because there’s just about as good a chance that that will happen as DePodesta will return to the Dodgers as GM.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
For $1,000
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
How about some Chicken McNuggets instead?
by uschris0304 on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on how PR-conscious the new owner is.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
right? like I feel he could do the job well, but he’s got that past
by Josie Becker on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
In this town you could sell it, if only he hadn’t been named “Peter Brand” in the movie.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s a Greek watch?
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
It’s all Greek to me
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I believe it is a Dutch maker. That top dial shows the rotation of the planets around the sun. The face is hand-engraved to depict one of the 12 Zodiac signs (this is Aquarius). They are making 12 watches total, one for each of the Zodiac signs, so if you buy, you will have a truly unique piece.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
whoever buys one
Probably has an Italian made chestnut roaster
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think you just described my Marie Calendar’s pie tin with a bunch of holes punched through it with a screw driver
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
really, there is only this
Is that an amphora you are pouring or are you just happy to see me?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
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