Dodgers Miss Out On Fielder
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST
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I don't know what was more unstable this offseason: the Dodgers' team-building plan or the ACL of Victor Martinez. It turns out that both cost the team one way or another.
First baseman Prince Fielder signed a nine-year deal with the Detroit Tigers that became official today, and news broke today that the Dodgers were heavily involved in the negotiations in recent weeks, per various reports (Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times, and Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports).
The Dodgers had a seven-year offer on the table, with an opt-out clause for Fielder, per Heyman:
The Dodgers' offer was said to have called for an average salary of about $26 million for the first four years and something in the low $20-million-range in the next three years. The bid was designed not to discourage Fielder from opting out and possibly moving to the American League where he could DH after the first four years. The total Dodgers deal was believed to have been worth in the low $160 millions.
I seriously don't understand this offseason. Every move made this winter by the Dodgers were the cumulative moves of a team desperately trying to add players with a small payout in 2012 with larger payouts in 2013 and beyond. The lack of money was cited as a reason for not re-signing Hiroki Kuroda, who ended up inking a deal with the New York Yankees for one year and $10 million.
Now all of a sudden the money was there for Fielder? It would have been nice to have that earlier in the offseason.
Maybe this explanation from Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports sheds some light:
One motivation for #Dodgers to get Prince was to boost short-term revenues. Team facing "huge revenue problem" in '12, one exec says.
Had Martinez not suffered the season-ending injury to his ACL, would the Tigers have offered nine years and $214 million to Fielder? I doubt it, but we'll never know.
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La Potencia!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Maybe “Hey guys, we totally tried to get Prince Fielder” can play first base.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
just a newspaper with a baseball glove on top of it.
by Josie Becker on Jan 26, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone with Dodger Stadium and LA food tips and tricks be sure to help out OB12 in his Fan Post about his upcoming first trip to Dodger Stadium.
I’m sure people smarter than me actually thought about this, but would signing Prince Fielder going to bring in more than 26 million in the short term?
Assuming we don’t make it to the playoffs (totally likely, we’re talking at most a four win difference between Prince and Loney) the Dodgers would need to sell 459,000* more tickets or 5,700 season tickets just to break even. Is Prince Fielder really that much of a draw that he’d be a short term revenue boost.
*This is based off the Fan Index for 2011 so this includes stuff like parking, food, and merchandise.
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I just assumed that while the average salary might be $26m for the first four years, $16 million or so would be deferred
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Makes sense.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I dont get how that stuff works… Having Fielder over Loney would only give us about 4 more wins?? Just doesnt sound right… but what do I know.
Matt Kemp, best player in the NL, was worth 9 wins last year, but that still wasn’t enough to make the Dodgers playoff bound
by Josie Becker on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
4 more wins gives us 86, good for second place, a lower draft pick and the same number of playoff appearances.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Not that this is the way to do it, but the Dodgers’ pythag record last year was 84-77. or ~84.5 wins in a 162-game schedule. 88.5 wins is close enough to a playoff spot, especially if there would be an extra one in 2012, to be within striking distance around the trade deadline.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
You also have to consider that some of those wins might come against other NL West teams
In play for the division.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 26, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Like this is news about the revenue
1. Lower your season ticket prices but renewals still go down.
2. Same undervalued media rights deal.
3. I am assuming less corporate deals until new owner comes in.
4. Dodgers are doing their own merchandising sales (ended contract as part of bankruptcy)
5. Dodgers needed to at least two loans totaling over $180M last season to make payroll, pay other ongoing expenses.
which is amazing since the payroll was at like $150mil. Revenue must have been non-existent or spent on non-Dodger activities.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Sure, but that’s an incredible amount of money spent in a short period of time.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Their budgets submitted in the Bankruptcy
showed a cash reserve of around $20M or so for the end of 2011.
Now all of a sudden the money was there for Fielder?
I speak PR, I can explain.
The money was not there for Fielder. The Dodgers took a gamble that there would be a big deal of over $200 million on the table that Fielder would ultimately take, and that is what happened. You know how all of us Dodger fans are like, :“Gosh, I would really have liked that deal if Fielder had accepted it?” That is how you know that Fielder wasn’t going to accept it.
But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe he would have signed for that. The downside of that gamble is that they sign him for 4/104, which is a Ned Special and kind of a bargain in that there is very little risk of paying for his decline years.
Sure, they’d have to find a way to make up the $26 million this year, but after April 30 that isn’t Frank’s problem.
If he accepts the deal, the Dodgers win. If he declines, the Dodgers win (“We really tried, guys!”).
I am extremely cynical about this story. They made an offer that had a pretty good shot of being declined, and it was in fact declined.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
maybe!
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
I will argue a ton of things, I will not argue against a maybe
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
The Houston Maybes
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
They made an offer that had a pretty good shot of being declined, and it was in fact declined.
I mean, two weeks ago, did you think Fielder was a $200+MM player? Or would you have thought if (say the Nationals) ultimately offered Fielder $160MM that the offer had a good shot of being declined?
by Michael White on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking for myself, I was convinced Boras was seeking Pujols-level money. I’m never surprised by what he gets.
Boras understands that you can never get more than you ask for, so why not ask for everything at the start
seems to indicate Pujols level money to me. He is going to let the buyer determine what the player is worth, not artificially lower the price based on what he thinks he can get
maybe
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I had no idea what Fielder was worth. Zero. Less than zero.
I did know that his agent was Scott Boras and Scott Boras’s clients sign for more money and more years than anybody expects.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
somewhere
Brett Easton Ellis just got his wings
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Madson cries himself to sleep.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not a buyer on the Victor Martinez stuff. Unless I"m mistaken, this isn’t a career-ending injury, right? He’s out for 2012 and then he’s back, right?
If that’s right, then I cannot believe — I simply CAN NOT believe — that the Tigers were not players for Fielder, then lost Martinez, then unloaded a 9/214 deal. Nobody would do that. The way it had to be was that the Tigers were already players for Fielder and then did what it took to get him. Victor Martinez was not a factor — or if it was, it was a minor factor. They were already going after the guy and trying to get him.
Or they have no idea what they’re doing. One or the other.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
“I will be dead before the bad part of the contract kicks in so who cares get me a ring”
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
sometimes I think this way for lunch
sometimes its worth it
other times I wish I ate the Subaru
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
From Tom Verducci:
Los Angeles ran a stealth recruitment of Fielder for two months, beginning immediately after the December winter meetings, only to be trumped when Tigers owner Mike Ilitch, concerned about contingency plans to replace Martinez, told his general manager, “I think we should go after Prince.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
That is crazy. That is honestly crazy.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I miss the butterfly in flames that you ride
just thought you should know that
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
and I don’t know what in the hell it means, but it says “you”
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
its what happens when you let swedish folk write lyrics in english
I love that lullaby
Start me up again
Electric spine
Open mind
I leave you, negative behind
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Does it feel better
that since they signed vlad up till they got pujols, the angels where in the same position every offseason? Tex, Crawford, etc.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
Schmidt and Andruw Jones count. Manny Ramirez counts. Jeff Kent counts.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Pierre too
just because they don’t work out doesn’t mean we don’t get them
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
“We got rid of Alex Cora for Jeff Kent how dare you DePo”
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
We gave Odalis Perez more money than Jeff Kent that winter. That’s pretty funny in retrospect.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
something this hot arty chick once told me
don’t get up close and try to make sense of any piece of it, you gotta step back and see if it makes sense at 6 feet
mostly it will still look like shit, but even the beautiful compositions will have ugly parts if your nose is 6 inches from the canvas
/no hot arty chick ever told me any such thing
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
That’s too bad. Everybody should have a hot arty chick once on their lifetime. Maybe your is coming.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Huzzah!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 8:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
One winter was JD Drew, D Lowe, and Jeff Kent.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Yup.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
How big of a market is Detroit? How can this owner afford this stuff? Is he taking a loss? I wish Mike Itchy was bidding on the Dodgers.
Prince can fucking sell
those worthless cardboard pieces of shit now.
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
fuck Chase Carey
oh wait, you said Pizza
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
From the Detroit Free Press:
Boras, on if he thought the Tigers would be a player before V-Mart’s injury: “No.”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Good gosh a-mighty, it certainly is. That is no way to…
I mean it’s absolutely fu….
it is crazy.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
He was there
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
If things played out the way they did and Loney was not tendered, the Dodgers would be royally screwed. If they played out the way they did and the Dodgers did not make an effort in earnest to work out a deal with Loney, he’d be pissed.
If the Dodgers landed Prince, they could trade Loney to someone (Detroit for instance) and shed some of his salary and get something in return.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
can’t the dodgers just exchange arbitration figures with loney, continue purusing Fielder then settle with Loney once Fielder signs?
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Sure, but they’d end up settling at the same price anyway. If they tried to go less because they had Prince, they’d risk losing the arb hearing and end up paying more.
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This injury
is playing hell with my long term joke plans on when he hits free agency again.
Attention V-Mart Shoppers!
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
lemme take a hit
Dodger blue light special, V-Mart is open for business in Los Angeles
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, I am gonna shut up now. I clearly have no idea how human beings operate. I should have remembered that I know nothing about anything and baseball least of all.
Of course! You lose a pretty good player for a year, what do you do! You sign somebody else to one of the biggest contracts in baseball history! It’s obvious! Easy peasy lemon squeezy!
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Again, it’s a lot easier when you’ll be dead before you ever have to pay the thing.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn’t say easily, he’s a DH that makes a lot of money coming off major surgery.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Its the second one. No way were the Tiges in on Fielder before – no roster spot.
by lnickerson88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
“you know, I know Prince Fielder makes a lot of sense, but we’d have to let Ramon Troncoso go, and that’s just not a risk I’m willing to take”
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
that’s how we fit G onto to the TBLA softball team
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
How is
1B – Fielder
3B – Cabrera
DH – V-Mart
Different from
1B – Fielder
3B – Cabrera
DH – I don’t know Don Kelly or something
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I guess a better question is how do you have Miguel Cabrera, Prince Fielder and no DH.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
The Detroit Tigers disagree with you.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
yeah well their the guys who forgot to sign a 3rd dh
so what does that say about them?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
During the press conference today
Jim Leyland said, ""Miguel Cabrera is going to play third base…let me make it perfectly clear"
Of course people say a lot of things.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
3rd dh not 3rd baseman
Just riffin. Although I agree with Xei that Prince and Miggy will see lots of time at DH
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I agree completely with this and it ties in with the timeline of when Miggy was told to start getting ready to play some 3rd base.
I don’t agree that the Dodgers wasted everyone’s time by putting in all this work just for PR purposes, and I don’t trust anyone.
I will say the Dodgers winter was a huge fail from all sides of every possible geometric angle.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I now disavow sentence one
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
That didn’t take long
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
You were right
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
and that never happens!
for once everyone wasn’t a dirty dirty liar at all times.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
you were right about me… tell your sister, you were right.
by uschris0304 on Jan 26, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS WINTER A HUGE FAIL????
Matt Kemp shakes his head in dismay….
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Good point
actually excellent point considering most of us said if they sign Matt to an extension no matter what else happens this winter was a win.
But I did like my sentence even if it was as wrong as the number of levels at the Sears tower.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I'll bite
What good does this PR do the 2012 Dodgers anyway? No one will buy tickets because we almost got Fielder. At this point, no one will buy tickets until new ownership is in place and they start dropping some dollars. Seems like a lot of work for no gain.
It instills the belief that if this team is in it come trade deadline, they’ll go after a big name because they are committed to excellence. So buy your season tickets, cause this team is going to the playoffs.
by Josie Becker on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
My answer is that the Dodgers, either like or unlike the Tigers, have no idea what they’re doing.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
It says we aren’t poor and will totally get this done next time. Please buy tickets to make sure we can.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose
Frank will take whatever uptick in revenue he can get, but I would imagine he could measure it in haircuts.
If you have to give Frank props for anything
The man knows his hair styling
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
And he can teach Matt Kemp a thing or two about how to wear a suit.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
You can't teach those who don't want to be taught
it would be so easy for these guys to hire a competent stylist, but they don’t, because they think they know better.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
It would have been great if the Dodgers offered a post-McCourt season ticket plan. Like all games after April 30 or something. I thought that would have been creative and funny.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’ll wreck it.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
In my humble opinion, the Dodgers would’ve been one of the finalists for Fielder had the injury to V-mart not happened. Also, maybe Cecil had something to do with it…
by lnickerson88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
V-Mart
You just know he’ll wind up playing his final season in the majors with the Dodgers as a back up catcher! If Vin is still broadcasting at that point, he’ll tell the story…
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
Well, maybe for those that wouldnt even entertain the idea of the Dodgers signing Fielder, that you ended up being correct, but we did try, so next time, never say never, and you never know haha.
You be right, trying to figure out what this team will do based on what they have done is now a fools errand.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
When Prince hits the DL for the fourth time in the next three years, I won’t say “I told you so.” But I’ll be thinking it. All the people that keep pointing to the games he’s played in his mid-twenties are overlooking the fact that he will never again be in his mid-twenties.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
He’ll be fine over the next four years.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Selective choosing — Boog Powell played >150 games from 26-28 and >140 all years but one from 23-28. He never played >140 again. Cecil played at least 154 games every year from 26-29. Only once again after that. Prince is much bigger than either of those guys were.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
right, but im just talking about those that seemed to get bent out of shape anytime anyone even brought up the Dodgers signing Fielder, with a quick NO, or the was no chance in hell, but they really did try, and almost made it happen. Or I cant wait til Fielder signs so we can stop talking about him already…. shit, he signed, who are we still talking about?? :)
Fucking Victor Martinez, all switch hitting Hispanic catchers with power and discipline destined to be DH’s in their 30’s are going to mind fuck us forever.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
by meercatjohn on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
So………….
Loney really was going to our LF this season. Or he was going to be quickly traded to the Brewers.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I’d have ponied up for a plan if they had gotten Prince just as a show of support for such stealth dealing. I love stealth.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Nobody told me the Alabama teabagger shared a name with a bespectacled underrated power hitter with a great eye from the 1980s.
I mean I know he is a lawer and his job is to advocate for his client
but he basically argued that if someone can’t remember the sexual assualt it shouldn’t be a big deal. Ruffies for everyone!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
this is one conversation that just doesn’t need to happen again
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
so I should just go drop my nuts in the hot secretary down the halls mouth?
Is that just teabagging?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
go ahead, toss that other 25% in the pot
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I figure I meant well
and the hot secretary down the hall doesn’t even exist to my knowledge.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I know
I really wish there was a hot secretary down the hall
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I don’t. I like to keep a safe distance from such animals. Good for all involved
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t keep potato chips and cookies in my office kitchen either
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
same reason i now stay out of casinos and one of a few reasons why i’ve never smoked anything.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
this comment is now hilarious
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
No, but if Raiders play Texans and im being a rowdy obnoxious fan and then Raiders lose and I pass out due to intoxication, feel free to drop em in there…. I promise, I wont press charges, I deserved it.
I can see right through you
you’re hoping
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
sure im disappointed that the dodgers didn’t land prince, but im honestly pleasantly surprised that they even put forth a legitimate attempt
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
intentions and efforts are like assholes, give me outcomes!!!
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
You’re going to be even more disappointed when you realize we’ve all been fucking with you in your Fan Post and have given you the worst possible advice :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I, for one, am not high on Prince’s future given his body type. I know I’m a minority of one in here, but I still think this deal will come back to haunt the Tigers. (I’ll just sit back and wait for the barrage now.)
I’ve been thumping this tub for a while. Welcome aboard.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’ve been aboard; just keeping to myself.
by KellyStephen on Jan 26, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
First and Foremost, let us praise haunting
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
There is a very good chance he would opt out after the first 4 years
and sign another huge contract. He is only 27 now and most hit FA around 31 as I understand it.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
the problem with the opt out clause is that the dodgers would get the short end no matter what. either prince declines because he’s regressed nelow a 20 mil value or accepts and the dodgers have to renegotiate at a higher price
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
or they do the smart thing and let him walk if he opts out
and spend the 20 million elswhere, which would be ideal.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The advantage is that Prince ages 32-whatever is no longer your problem.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
but if he is a problem at that age then there’s no way he would opt out!
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He almost certainly would be at 32+
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
that's my point
and that’s why opt out clauses (as well as player options) are terrible for teams. the player will always select what’s more financially beneficial for them. and what’s financially beneficial for the player is almost always obverse from what’s financially beneficial for the team
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
you haven't addressed any of the points as to why in THIS situation that wouldn't be the case
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
because im not trying to prove that this sotuation wouldn’t be the case…
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
the idea is that he would likely decline AFTER opting out to get another contract
everything is a risk, would you rather take a risk on elite talent or capuang and harang
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
He’ll probably still be pretty good! Then he’ll probably still be good for a different team for a couple years before he becomes a huge problem for them.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yes we will.
Just remember how pissed off everyone was last year because we didn’t get Adam Dunn.
by KellyStephen on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I, for one, was not pissed. I don’t like iron glove players, they make my eyes bleed
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
His last name?
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I don’t think of Prince as Iron gloved, I see him as limited range
he is way better than Dunn, though Prince is by no means great
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yes – not in love with the slick fielding James Loney rep
but that’s just me
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
I’m very much driving this train.
Much like I don’t think Ethier is as bad as people think, I don’t think Loney is nearly the “it’s okay because his glove is great” player that people see.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Ethier is ok
He looks worse than he is – I think he is ugly out there
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
he gets the job done, takes good routes, has a strong arm, gets good jumps, not fast but not slow. He’s solid.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
But…but…he’s an All-Star and a Gold Glove! He must be doing something right, or he knows who to pay off.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
count the errors
Oh wait, you can’t. He didn’t make any
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 7:33 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Moneyball riff.
I like his jumps, but I always seem to find him taking longer to get to balls than I expect, so I think he is slower than average.
In the NFL they seem to have times on everybody. Might be nice to have 40 times (is 120 feet too much?) on OFs.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
It’s those prancy deer strides when he runs
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Jan 26, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
He’s an excellent driver.
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I still would have liked us signing Adam Dunn. It wouldn’t have worked out well (presumably, though situations change), but I still think we would have been better with him.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
It’s like you always say, you make decisions based on the information you have at that time and you don’t regret it. This time last year I was hoping we had Adam Dunn because I thought he would improve our team. Turns out he wouldn’t have, but I still would have made that decision.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
but the glove man! Good god, could you imagine sitting in Dodger Stadium watching him play even an inning of left field.
Jerry Sands playing a line drive was almost too much for me to watch
I want to watch guys play balls poorly, I will just record myself catching fly balls
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I’d have non-tendered the crap out of James Loney if I signed Dunn.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
but then who plays LF?!?!?!?!!
move loney to left, he couldn’t be worse the dunn
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these are all bad answers
Defense counts
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Gwynn Jr and later Juan Rivera
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
I’m blaming Juan Rivera if Johnny Damon doesn’t get to 3000 hits.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
I want 15 years of people trying to justify Johnny Damon getting in the Hall of Fame is that so wrong of me?
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Jack Morris would be in if he was a Red Sox
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
he did play in Boston
I’ll hand it to those fuckers, they whine like none other about shit like this
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Only if people in NY don’t give a shit about Boston. Oh wait.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
False
I love LA, but there is nothing comparable in LA to a visit to Manhattan.
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Come on 3000 hits, top 20 all time in runs scored and doubles plus more total bases than Mickey Mantle how could you say no.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
didn’t i make an equally stupid claim abour omar vizquel yesterday?
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:14 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
See
If things were different Adam Dunn would have had a different season.
People don’t always understand this, but the reasons a player sucked often wouldn’t have applied had they been in a different environment.
There’s no way to predict it, but he could have turned out just as fine as normal had he signed here. Or he could have sucked even worse. Who knows.
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by Taylor Maricle on Jan 26, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
according to jon weisman’s logic, it is impossible for adam dunn not to bounce back this season
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
In the sense that if he hits worse he’s gonna be out of baseball?
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
droll means curiously funny, which would work there : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I like to use droll because that is what Fred Flinstone would deadpan when Wilma was making fun at his expense
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
because that’s what Jackie Gleason used to deadpan : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
The cartoon carbon is my reference point, but yeah, I know the connection
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
indeed
(sips tea)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 9:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
of all the bunburyists that I know, Tommy, you might be the best
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
You mustn’t think I’m wicked Josie. :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 9:27 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
totally
I was going to call bullshit but then didn’t want to start the conversation all over again
if we start extending people’s logic like this, bad things will follow
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
maybe
and someone smart proved that when you measure something you change it forever
I think we get all that kind of thinking, change a variable and you change everything kind of drug induced nonsense, but when you get down to that kind of thinking, then all conversation is BZZZZT
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
But does anyone like, know anything, man?
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Take it to the Men Without Hats thread
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
by mleadman on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you mind if we dance wif yo date?
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
well then they’re no fucking friends of mine
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Little people renaissance videos are the best
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
you can leave your friends behind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZaiB9jYCxI
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sign Prince!
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
10th president of the united states' grandsons are still alive!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092227/US-president-John-Tylers-grandsons-STILL-ALIVE.html
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
President Tyler lived at the Sherwood Forest Plantation.
/interesting while not so interesting at the same time
Tippicanoe and Tyler Too
Who knows what the Tippicanoe part was all about?
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
running mate was the hero of the battle of Tippicanoe
can’t remember who that was
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
William Henry Harrison
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
he’s the guy who died like weeks after being sworn in because he didn’t want to wear a coat a look weak – right?
genius
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a myth that giving a speech in the cold killed him, but yeah that’s the guy.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
After the Griddle was put to bed - Btimmermann started his next project
go to allthepresidentsbooks.com where you will see that this fact and other interesting tidbits was revealed almost two years ago.
My back of the napkin analysis
Feel free to call bullshit, but i don’t really care since it is me spitballing.
Once McCourt realized he was going to sell the team he instructed his GM to fill out the roster as quickly (as reasonable as could be) and to not worry about any long term deals with FAs since he didn’t want to rock the boat and risk driving down the asking price of the team. Just sign Kemp who along with Kershaw is the “brand” of the team. Ned did this. He signed a few short term deals, nothing that will kill us over the long hual but nothing that will really help us much the next year or two. Then Mark Cuban happened. Then Josh Macciello happened and the likes of other bidders with deep pockets. Rumors of the team possibly selling for $1.5B or more danced in his head. Now suddenly, a long term deal (7 year frame) with the likes of Prince Fielder was doable. Not on his dime of course, because he will be gone come what may. Now the prospects of signing Fielder suddenly looks good on the books Frank is told by his suits. But sadly Victor Martinez happened and 9/$219M or whatever Prince ended up signing for tipped the scales (no pun intended) back the other way and here we are today, wasted away in Juan Riveraville looking for our outlaw shaker of Capang. Some people will say that Ned is to blame, but … it’s Franks own damm fault.
by Xeifrank on Jan 26, 2012 4:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
plausible – I’ll buy it as much as any other story
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm….assuming you’re right, perhaps the club tries to lock up CK?
by Michael White on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
i actually completely agree with this scenario
by court168627 on Jan 26, 2012 4:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Seems about right. Doesn’t make it suck any less.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
This
I would rather have not known the Dodgers were in on Fielder.
by FeelinKindaBlue on Jan 26, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
ahh – I don’t care
it doesn’t matter either way
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
One way, the Dodgers don’t have Fielder. The other way, the Dodgers do not have Fielder.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Vinny would say
“The best laid plans of mice and men…..”
or does he bust this one from time to time
“Man plans, god laughs”
I always resented the god figure in that one
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Agree & Kuroda gets putoff
I agree and said as much a few weeks ago. I believe this story makes sense and also supports the fact that the Dodgers were in touch with Kuroda according to reports up until a week before he committed to the Yanks and dropped his price to 10 million.
With Fielder still out there and resources tight the Dodgers decided to go all in as much as they could on Fielder. By time he turned the Dodgers down Kuroda decided he couldn’t risk seeing his price drop futher and went with the Yanks.
BULLSHIT
OK, now I’ll read it.
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We are down a Sweathog
Juan Epstein RIP
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I have been to Houston once in my life. I was supposed to be there for 3 days. I only stayed for 2 because of how humid it was there (I would have left the first day but I had tickets to an Astros / Cubs game on the 2nd day).
This name would be fitting.
Welcome Back Kotter
might have been one of the first shows that I related to vaguely as a teen growing up in the 70s. Though none of my history teachers were that funny.
It was too NY for me
Couldn’t relate at all in my suburban high school
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Marty LOVED, The Boy in the Plastic Bubble
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
My family loved it
1> It was set in NY, they were NYers
2> It had this Italian kid as the star
I did a mean Arnold Horshack in the 5th grade
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I do a good one too, see?
Ooh, ooh!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
it was a great show imo and I can’t relate to either #1 or #2. Sitcoms back in the day (uses old man voice) were soooooooo much better than the crap on tv these days.
I know I sat around my dinner growing up and would say all the time
Would ya just watch the hair. Ya know, I work on my hair a long time and you hit it. He hits my hair.
I was too young to see the movie, old enough to buy the record though!
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
and my older brothers had hair like that
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
heaven needed a sweathog
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
James Loney
Lucky man? Or Luckiest Man on earth?
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don’t shit in the wind
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Overall he’s lucky he’s not Travis Ishikawa.
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
First base evidently is the play where the luckiest men on the face of the earth normally play
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been asked more questions about Joshua Macciello then any other owner. His PR company is doing an excellent job at getting his name out there.
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I will say this for him
He made me remember Von Joshua
and that isn’t a bad thing
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 26, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
It's not really a throwback
I mean the Utah Stars (which is where the team moved to after two unsuccessful seasons in LA) no longer exists. This isn’t the Dodgers wearing Brooklyn gear or the Braves wearing Boston gear. Heck it would have been more appropriate for the Clippers to wear Buffalo Braves gear.
I know they are not the only team doing this, Memphis is also wearing a jersey tonight that was worn by an ABA team that played Memphis but is not related to the Grizzlies.
I am sure some of the Clippers are wondering why the Lakers didn’t have to do this at all.
Miami has worn Floridans uniforms in the past and again this year. But yes, it is odd that NBA teams are paying credit to defunct franchises they have nothing to do with
by Josie Becker on Jan 26, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Grizzles vs Clippers
Vegas says Clippers are 4 point favorites. My SRS says Clippers are 3 point favorites. Watch them win by 3-1/2 some how.
proven champ!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 7:42 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
epic fail
By the Magic
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 7:52 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I actually attended an LA Stars game
at the Sports Arena. Wilt Chamberlain was also in attendance. He got nearly as much attention as the game did.
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I believe it was the first professional sporting event I ever attended.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Kershaw arb hearing
“I’m not worried about it at all,” Kershaw said. “My court date was set. We’ll see what happens. Hopefully, it will be settled before then but you never know.”
I have an idea let’s take that money we were going to give Prince Fielder and give it to Kershaw. Who’s with me?
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by regfairfield on Jan 26, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Not until we lock up Mark Ellis.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 26, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
can we save some
For Cespedes?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 8:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wha?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 8:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
lolz
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 26, 2012 8:43 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dodgers are probably too late for the “buy out arbitration years and reap huge reward” stage with Kershaw..
Paying him now would simply mean keeping him from free agency for a few more years, but not sure you really gain much from that.
Locking up one of the best pitchers in baseball and doing it before you have to bid against the Yankees, Red Sox, etc.?
lock him up through his prime
take his 3 year deal so to speak and make it 5 or 6
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I would like it if Clayton never wore another professional jersey
I am ok overpaying for the privilege
Clayton as a 39 year old crafty lefty, running on empty, going 16 -4 with great era and mediocre peripherals, leading the Dodgers to an improbable world series will be one of the great memories that I have yet to have
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 6:23 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Word
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 6:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Rec'd for this line:
one of the great memories that I have yet to have
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
How did I miss this brilliance. I must go back and rec
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I feel the same way
If he’s extended i hope it’s for 7+ years, just because I love watching him pitch so much.
If Billingsley had kept up his early 2009 form, it would go double for him.
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by Taylor Maricle on Jan 27, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
HITNG?
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
but like, after Argentina was annexed by Costa Rica
by Josie Becker on Jan 26, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
I have to ask what Tam is?
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’tis so. But the team name originated as an acronym for Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, all in/near Memphis.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
maybe
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Cool, thanks
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Mike and I were there, at first glance I thought the gold / green was hideous but Michael said it was kinda what the Supersonics wore and after a while they did not seem so hideous.
I liked the Clippers look. Not a fan of having to back a team with red, but baby blue worked.
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oh so now you care about the uniforms? : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe I just miss the Sonics, but I really liked the Memphis uniforms
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
they aren’t bad. Multiple people made the Brazil joke despite Brazil having blue shorts. And of course, the reason the tams wore green/gold is cause they were a Charlie O team
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Right – it should make people recall the Oakland A’s.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be really mad if I were a Sonics fan right now. I’m sure there are other examples in the three major sports, but it must suck to have to see such a good young term in OKC.
Trying to think of a recent team that won a championship within five years of moving cities (which OKC would have to do by next year to qualify). A’s come to mind. They won a World Series in their fifth year in Oakland in 1972, after moving from Kansas City, then won two more titles in the next two years.
Dodgers obviously won in their second year in LA.
Rams won in their fifth year in St. Louis, in 1999.
Ravens won in their fifth year in Baltimore, in 2000.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
yeah I agree… Im still upset Raiders left, want them back. But reason I never dropped the Raiders like some did, calling them traitors, is because its the city fault, not the team. If you dont built the arena/stadium these teams need to compete in, then somebody else will, and they will leave. Fuck the Coliseum Commission!
I never bought that argument
since the Oakland Coliseum is a dump too
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, but is it more of a dump then the LA one? Dont they have more luxury boxes, or did at the time, and that was the issue? Plus they gave the Raiders alot of money I think to maybe compensate for the lack of a new stadium. Maybe they promised a new stadium and never delivered I dont know. But because of it, they might move back, so im happy about that.
you cant even really compare the 2 coliseums. one is a majestic piece of history and the other is a big piece of shit.
ive never been to the Oakland one, so I dont know. So what was the reason then? Just the money Oakland gave him? or promise of a new stadium that never happened?
strictly a luxury box issue, plus oakland promised him money if they were selling out. the problem in LA is he couldn’t sell out the Coliseum, even at reduced capacity, which kept him off TV
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
I know of the luxury box situation, but I always wondered why Raiders left when the Rams were leaving, they would of owned LA. Should of seen where that would of taken them.
the mind of Al Davis, who the fuck knows
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
some of it
is because AL allegedly had a done deal at Hollywood park to build a 60k seater and when he went to the NFL for a loan, they told him another team had to share the building. he wanted no part of that, many bluffs were called, and Oakland was rejoicing.
USC football waves hello. What market has both a dominant college football team and a strong NFL fanbase?
Cowboys and Longhorns? Any others?
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Miami
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
That’s a good one.
Perhaps Green Bay and Wisconsin?
Seems like there are plenty of examples where regions are dominated by one or the other. Northeast- NFL. South East- CFB. West? Probably college.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
LSU/Saints
Michigan/Lions
Washington/Seahawks (meh)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Saints and Seahawks are certainly the lesser teams (in terms of popularity) in those markets
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Seahawks sell out though
and so do the Saints. Both are really popular. They can be lesser, but that doesn’t mean they are insignifigant.
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Saints were a perennial “move to LA” candidate up until recently when their team became awesome. But the underlying issue is there which is that NO is a terrible market which probably can’t even support 1 professional team let alone two. LSU on the other hand will draw 90,000+ fans for the next 100 years.
Seahawks have a nice fanbase in a niche-y northwest sort of way. Also helps that UW is nowhere near what they once were. I’d have no problem calling this one a draw.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Any fanbase will struggle when you are that terrible for that long I think
I think as long as the saints don’t go back to complete shit thye will continue to draw, I hear its one of the best gameday experiences in football.
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Miami is the only real example. Every other college team that shares with a pro is small school: Tulane, SDSU, well those are the only two I can think of right now
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Pitt Panthers of Tony Dorsett and Dan Marino fame and the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Longhorns are in Austin and no one in Texas feels Dallas can long onto Austin
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I think both clubs consider the entire state their market
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
I think Houston differs with your take
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Cowboy games are broadcast to pretty much the whole state, I see Mike’s point, but I don’t think USC football on Saturdays pushed out the Rams and Raiders because of broadcast TV. It comes down to season tickets and butts in seats, which means sharing a stadium
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
so someone in Houston or Austin is legitimately thinking “do I buy Cowboy season tickets or Texan/Longhorn season tickets” ?
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
No they don’t, they are missing the original point.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so. The original point was that the Raiders had to compete with USC for fans affection. It’s not that a 20 something in Houston is necessarily weighing Longhorns tickets vs. Texans tickets (though if they are UT alum, I’d say it’s an easy call for Longhorns tickets; its not that far and it’s not that many games) but that if they grew up and remain Cowboy fans, they never developed a strong attachment to the Texans. Therefore, no incentive to buy season tickets.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
The Raiders had to compete with USC for dollars, not affection. Because football fans in the LA area had to make a choice, USC or Raiders, because most can’t afford to do both.
The fact that Austin gets Cowboy games on TV doesn’t affect the Longhorns ability to sell season tickets in their market and vice versa. Is it a factor for the Houston Texans, sure, but we weren’t talking about pro-vs-pro.
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Furthermore
when talking about the Rams at the Coliseum, they had to compete against USC AND UCLA for season ticket dollars. Ye. Gods.
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I am thinking you are off on this one.
USC was not that great during the Raiders time here and why would there be competition anyways? People are going to buy what they want.
furthermore
I am willing to bet that USC did not sell out more than 10 conference games that did not involve UCLA during the entire time the raiders were here.
Well, this actually started when chris said that the Raiders would have owned LA had they stayed when the Rams left. With the benefit of hindsight, we know that USC ended up having a dominant run during that time and would have “owned LA.”
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I see what you’re saying, but you don’t see that USC-Stanford drawing 74k is still a lot of people
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I believe you are right here
USC averaged between 56,757 and 69,100 per game from 1982-1994 (capacity of 92,516 through 1992, 94,159 after).
The media guide lists the top 20 USC home crowds since 1964, and only four came from that period:
1988 Notre Dame: 93,829
1993 UCLA: 93,458
1987 UCLA: 92,516
1990 Notre Dame: 91,639
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
I was assuming ND and maybe like if Nebraska or someone like that came they could have had a sell out.
then you could claim that USC is competing with the 49ers
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
University of Southern California. I didn’t say USC/49ers claimed the entire state as it’s fanbase. I said Texas/Cowboys did.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
America’s team the Dallas Cowboys claim the whole country, does not make it so.
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I claim the view out of my window
it is my view and no other can have it
I am calling it Joe’s view
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Y’all are trying to be Yertle the Turtle?
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Austin gets more Cowboy games then Houston games
trust me, I’ve heard many a folk bitch about it
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or if you dont support the team, someone else will. Anyways, Sonics fans should be mad at the city of Seattle…. But yeah it must suck.
Key Arena wasn’t that bad. I don’t see why the city needs to pony up the billions of dollars for a new stadium.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
The ease of getting to and from that arena is amazing.
Good public transportation, within walking distance of a lot of stuff.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I think in the case of Key Arena, it came down to a lack of luxury boxes and that upper tier of extra revenue.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I think the Ravens is the best comparison, especially since they’ve been so good the whole decade. Both the Dodgers and Rams were second class citizens in their market.
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
and they employ murderers, so they got that going for them
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
he never murdered
he might have watched a murder, but come on.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I've seen a few corpses up close
I’ve never created one
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
I’m going to challenge you on both of those (but I may be wrong.) The Rams were here first and a generation of fans were Rams not Raiders fans. The Dodgers were as old as the Yankees and Brooklyn is enormous (population wise.) If there was ever a fanbase on equal footing, it was the Dodgers, especially since the Giants and Yankees split their territory.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
just looking at attendance figures, in the decade before they left there wasn’t one year the Dodgers outdrew the Yankees, or managed to draw 2million fans which the Yankees did for five straight years.
Not saying the Dodgers were unloved, no more than the Mets are unloved now, but the Yankees then and now dominate that market.
With the Rams, never winning a title, then moving to Anaheim while the Raiders moved in and won a Super Bowl, I don’t think they received the same coverage after that.
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Why did the Rams leave again? The one thing I give the fans is, is in my time Rams were always shitty, and then was part of the reason they left because of a lack of support? But I dont think its fair for owners to field a shitty ass team year in, and year out, and then expect fans to support shit, and then leave because they didnt support it.
Death and sex and intrigue and bad decisions and greed
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
what HJ said. It’s also, the Coliseum commission made an exception for the Rams when they moved here from Cleveland. Before then, pro teams were not allowed to play at the Coliseum. And that was sorta always the relationship, USC and UCLA were first class, the pro teams were second class
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Trying to think of a recent team that won a championship within five years of moving cities
The A’s last season in Kansas City was 1967. they won it all in 1972, their fifth season in Oakland.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
You didn’t read the second paragraph, huh
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Whoops. Sorry.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t apologize, if it was compelling reading you might have read it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.truebluela.com/2012/1/26/2742884/prince-fielder-dodgers#90028399
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
my uncle was a huge Sonics fan
heartbroken when they were “taken away”
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
of course
I’d rather the Clippers throw back to something like this:
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
got a bit of a cheerleader vibe to it – yes?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
he’s got a bit of a cheerleader vibe to him – yes?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
and there are rules. No ads on the national team jerseys. It’s just a way to make money. MLS had team wordmarks were the sponsor logo is now. WBNA is doing it, NBA would be wise to exchange the team name with a sponsor logo.
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree. When you see someone wearing a jersey and it says PARMALAT in big letters, you should not have to say “Wait which team is the powdered condensed milks supposed to be again?”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
you recognize the kit. Do you need to read LAKERS before you know who’s playing?
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
- 5 HJ points for use of “kit” before 10AM PST
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
I never bought a Liverpool shirt because I wasn’t going to wear a jersey advertising beer in big letters. They have some generic sounding company now, so I might, but I absolutely would if it said, you know, the name of the team.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I never bought a soccer jersey because …….
it is lame
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I never bought a soccer jersey because …….
it is lame
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
it is a lot of money for a polyester shirt. Get ’em at Ross!
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
they’re going with a US company next year cause Adidas ditched them. Warrior Sports is the name of the company
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
I looked closely – there are no ads on the woman in your profile pic
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I used to care, passionately
now I am resigned
we are commericialism, it is only a mirror and manifestation of us. Our behaviors, wants, actions….
we are they
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
If I didnt know any better, Id think Beckham just signed with the LA Herbalife…. Maybe it will happen in the other major sports, but I dont know, there will be a major fan uproar. Were so use to the way it already is and has been. Fans complain about the ads in the field, so cant imagine what will happen if they make their way onto jerseys….
Most people I know are aware enough to be able to distinguish between the ads on jerseys and the team names.
Ofcourse we’ll still know its the Lakers, or Dodgers, or USC, but that isnt the point… I still want Lakers on the front…. Not fuckin Geiko.
Just a tradition thing…. But lets say they do it, the sponsor name shouldnt be bigger then the team name itself IMO. Maybe a little small logo for the sponsor on the back of jersey above player name, or below the number… take it or leave it lol
that’s how they do it in the Mexican Premiera League, trust me it just looks more cluttered, like a NASCAR car
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Aren't they ehre becuase there are very few commercials that can be shown?
so they gotta get their money eslwhere? I’m probably full of shit here.
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I just want to be able to tell the name of the team that is playing by looking at the uniform. If someone has to score, so I can see the scoreboard on the TV change to know which team is which someone has failed. This happens, especially when the game is being called in a foreign language.
One acronym
NASCAR
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I would hate the day that an LA Dodger jersey had a tiny ass LA in the right corner, with a huge ass FARM JOHN on the front… I hope I never see the day in US sports the sponsor gets a bigger logo then the freakin team itself.
baseball can’t do it because when you’ve got a white team and a gray team you need that wordmark. It works best in soccer because unless there’s a color conflict, usually both teams are wearing their standard color jersey. Wordmark is redundant
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
also, MLB, NBA, NFL make enough money to not need to bastardize their jeseys.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
I heard the NBA is hurting for money so much they had a lockout
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
there is never “enough” money. If there is unrealized revenue, our system demands that over time you figure out a way to realize that revenue
there is only, “Would the backlash against sullying the uniform outweigh the increased revenue”
two things will stop this from happening
1. companies decide the ads are really not worth it
2. The teams decide that the backlash would cost them more
other than that, the tea leaves are clear on this
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
this is all true.
And all the winter league uniforms are covered in ads. I don’t think the latin MLB players would think anything of it.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Fans went bazooka when the Dodgers did Spiderman Day
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teams will continue to test the water
until the waters let them in
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
yes, yes it is
First there is outrage
Then there is a shrug
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
No commercials in Soccer
also plays a role. MLB, NBA, and NFL has natural breaks for commercials so the teams don’t need to be 90-minute advertisements.
Advertising on uniforms are like baseball cards with signatures, gold or silver reflection, pieces of uniform or bat, etc. An ugly abomination but already here with more to come.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
If they played the Blazers wearing 1970s throwbacks, it would be hard to tell the team apart.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
that’s the truth. They did their first season in the familiar blue and red, then two black and orange, with their final years black and blue
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
You must have a lot of avocados if they need their own fridge.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Jan 27, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
sadly, I thought of it, but was looking for the right picture to go along with it
never found that photo
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
When I think of avocado green, I think of the gaudy Pontiac stationwagon my dad used to have. You could sit in the very back and face the cars behind you.
x
We had a old’s 88 (Oldsmobile) with than interior. Even my mother who never swore in front of called it goo shit green.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
we had one like that – my favorite was the one we had with a big open back. I would lie on the ground in that car and roll around as the car moved
there was also a screw missing on the floor of the car, and I would stick my eye on the hole and zone out watching the tiniest spec of highway underneath the car
good memories
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
By describing the actual pot holes he saw he was able to help the FBI locate him by decoding this information via his Little Orphan Annie Decoder ring.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
“Be sure to drink your Ovaltine”
But, yeah, I loved rolling around in the back of my aunt’s station wagons in the 60s. Seat belts? Who needs ’em?!
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jan 27, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
You see a dry cleaning bag? I see a new toy!
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Jarts! We could go on and on … Such an innocent time.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jan 27, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Jarts FTW
Over the roof, front yard to backyard contests were what we did
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
We actually had child-safe lawn "darts"
when I was a kid in the late 60s or early 70s. They looked like giant shuttlecocks, with the tips weighted down with sand.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
maybe she has a tree in her backyard
Like I do
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would chop down that tree…with a cat.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I have the bobblehead of Elton Brand wearing that uni.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Hopefully Elton is shaking his head no.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t remember the Sonics uniforms looking like that. I remember some green, but not that sickly shade.
I’m giving Josie about five minutes to reply to this with everything you ever wanted to know about the Supersonic uniforms.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
The S is for Super and the U is for Unique
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Can anyone name the starting five of the SuperSonic World ChampionShip team?
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Nope. But I can name a bunch of old Sonics. At least one of them is bound to be one of the five. Lonnie Shelton, Jack Sikma, Gus Williams, Downtown Freddie Brown and the tall guy with the beard.
Excellent – until you mentioned the names the only one I could remember was the coach Lennie Wilkins
Gus and Dennis
Sikma
Shelton and John Johnson (do not remember )
Freddie Brown off the bench
Enforcer Silas
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Paul Silas was such a badass, throughout his playing and coaching career.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Former USC Trojan Gus Williams and Dennis Johnson in the backcourt
Jack Sikma at center
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
hated that team
really hate the Sonics as a kid
hated DJ his whole career
was terrified of Freddie Brown
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
They're not really throwbacks
unless they are short shorts.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
OK, I really, really want to make my first trip to Dodgers Stadium and only my second trip ever out to LA.
Thinking the weekend of July 13-15 against the Padres since my birthday is in there
Will they be doing the run-the-bases thing again on Sundays? That’s fun to do if you have kids, or can borrow some.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Jan 27, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
So the Dodgers can now be considered...
prick teases?
I do give them credit for the creative contract.
Front load, player opt out, back end lower is the right thing to do when you have limited funds.
Proud of TBLA for not taking this in a really dirty direction.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Frank McCourt after the sale of the Dodgers
I’m hereby starting a rumor (with no facts to back me up) that McCourt (as a goodbye present to Dodger fans) will take the proceeds of the Dodger sale and buy the parking lots at A T & T Park.
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
I heard that god has a sick sense of humor
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 6:02 AM PST up reply actions
According to Exodus, when the Egyptians are chasing Moses’s motley crew across the parted Red Sea, God, who is infinitely powerful and can do anything, knocks the wheels off the pharaoh’s chariots. What a sick sense of humor indeed! He could smite them instantly, but no, finger-flick of chariot wheels like a kids plucking wings off a fly. Truly an awesome God!
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
When G-d “hardened Pharaoh’s heart,” maybe it was by putting too much salt in his diet.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
yeah
Maybe Pharoh was going to go like “Yeah, whatever, go in peace….stop by when you are around, we’ll have some fermented Toastermilk and talk about the slave days”
but nope, the big dude is like “I am going make this guy act like a dick, so I can destroy him for acting like a dick”
No win man, no win
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I was going small g
but yeah, plenty of sick material in the big G book too
What was Job about? God betting with the Devil about how miserable they can make this good guy in the hopes of having him crack…..jeez man. I thought those two old fuckers in Trading Places were bad….they look like angles compared to what happened to old Job.
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
those lots already charge $30 bucks per car, and no one parks in them. Frank would need to buy the BART terminal right there.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
Things I learned this morning
The Phillies traded Ryne Sandberg to the Cubs because they viewed Juan Samuel as a better prospect.
Wow
Samuel had all those eye popping skills. Defense and inability to make contact did him in but I could easily see the scouts thinking he was better and I’m sure if BA existed back then Samuel would have been much higher ranked then the HOF.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
sounding old friend Juan Pierre
Is going to Philly
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 8:17 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
sounding like*
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 8:20 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
711
is the number of plate appearances he had last season. my god. I would have killed myself. even crusty old Torre realized he was garbage and not an everyday player. Poor Ozzie was not aware of this.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 27, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
they would have only replaced his replacement level at bats with replacement level at bats from someone else. IIRC they didn’t have a viable backup plan
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
I think
They are going with Viciendo now
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 9:17 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I always wonder how many takes it took for these trick shot videos but this one is worth it for Don Mattingly knocking a Giants had off a bear…twice.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 8:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Another Old Friend + TOOTBLAN alert!
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Theriot to #SFGiants for one year, as first reported by @JonHeymanCBS. Good insurance in middle infield. #MLB
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Reunited with class and teammate? Or did he leave?
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Not sure what you mean...? But he left St Loueey as a FA
I guess the Giants wanted a cheaper worse player rather than re-sign Jeff Keppinger. Fine by me.
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Theriot and Fontenot were teammates and the double play combo at
LSU
Cubs
If Fontenot is still a Giant they have been reunited again. Kind of amazing.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I'm sure at this moment
They are skipping towards each other on slow motion through a field of flowers
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 9:40 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
ah right, right, yep Fontenot's still there
So I guess they chose those two teammates over Keppinger. They still have Freddy Sanchez, too , who can be decent if he stays healthy. Which he rarely has lately.
Not that we can mock anyone’s mediocre veteran infield.
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What Ethier desires with Pedroia.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Kershaw's going to pick him off every time he's on base.
Assuming he can even get on base on Kershaw
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
We are going to get TOOTBLAN and Huffing gifs season long.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
another old friend alert
giants sign Ryan Theriot
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 9:28 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I prefer obscure and implied
makes for more confusion
which is where we really thrive
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
if they are the best 2 months in the last 20 years
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Going to assume no gimmick and a minimum of at bats so no shenanigans
Manny
Stanton
Home grown
Beltre
Will never happen again
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I just don’t know if he’s capable of a season that is better than the one he had last year.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
I’m with you. I think he’ll be over .900 a few times but 1.000 seems a bit lofty.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Could happen
I would be pleasantly surprised, but not shocked
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
1. Considering that he very nearly did it last year, it is certainly possible that he has a .400/.600 season in it.
2. I don’t EXPECT it. I hope it will happen.
3. The elephant in the room is that Kemp’s season last year is kind of an outlier thus far into his career. All we can do is hope for the best.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Last Dodger to do it: Beltre.
Next Dodger to do it: Votto.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Let’s ask the Cincinnati fans what they think of my comment.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
probably what we thought of them
When they thought they could get Kemp from us
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kemp will do it next
When the new owner builds the new, more hitter-friendly Downtown Dodger Stadium.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
That will make Kershaw’s 1.87 ERA in 2018 even more amazing.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
This is interesting
ESPN now considers mobile the “first screen” (mobile→TV→computer) as opposed to the third screen it’s usually designated as.
kat
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 10:07 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
bloody bunch of wankers, the lot of ya : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
because they think it’s the future or whatever. What this mostly means is we’ll see more twitter segments on ESPN, and probably some app integration with the main programming
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I’m a twitter with excitement
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
this has been neglected, I enjoyed it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think interesting means what you think it means.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
When I say shit like that I’m considered mean and cranky.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
at a time when SB Nation is trying to get on the tube, it’s interesting that ESPN is trying to get off it : )
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
thank you
right now SB Nation mobile is an attempt to distill the web presence to a smart phone. Now you have ESPN, which sees the smartphone as key as opposed to a necessary evil. I find that at least mildly interesting as someone who has an interest in SB Nation’s future.
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I would find it interesting if I was
A) In media
B) had a B2C business that targeted the likely audience
C) Was interested in that kind of content over any medium
Since A and B are not me, and C is certainly not me – I don’t care what they consider what
I am already dead, with talk like this
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I would find it interesting if I gave a shit about anything or anybody.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I love reading about new media. Probably because I’m kind of in it but far from the cutting edge. Always try to see how I can jump on trends before they reach all the way down to my level.
ESPN
wants to be the platform for web-streaming. The leagues where they license sports programming from want to do it themselves.
A battle will start with the next wave of agreements.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure they really want to move all their content to web streaming
they get too much money from the cable companies right now. I can’t imagine what ESPN would charge a month for all their content available for streaming, it would be a lot.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
They don’t want to move all their content to web streaming but they want to secure the rights to as much web streaming as possible.
which makes sense
there are a lot of sports out there, too much too fit on even 3 channels. You can say many things about ESPN, but they aren’t stupid, not even Skip Bayless. They know what they are doing. Ok maybe Bayless.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I'm sticking with the brilliant trolls angle
they know the shit they are saying is stupid, and turn it up to 11 because it sells.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
yes
when there is no news, create news through the peddling of inflammatory and often stupid opinions
the war for eyes, look at me, listen to me, tell me I am wrong
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I sent you a DM the other day, but after watching the LeBetard/Sonnen interview, I find Sonnen hilarious. I don’t think you’re a fan though.
He’s going to smash Bisping.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I hate Sonnen. He’s a douchebag and an idiot. He claims to be undefeated even though he lost to Silva by triangle and lost to Demian Maia.
He’s a felon. He’s a cheater.
I know he says things to be deliberately inflammatory, but he’s still an asshole.
And, yeah, he’s going to destroy Bisping.
I need to check my DMs at @3_2count more. And by that, I mean ever.
The undefeated claim is obviously just theatre. I used to think he was an ass when I read transcripts of what he said, but once I started actually seeing or hearing the interviews, it was obvious he was joking.
Tomorrow night I like Evans, Sonnen and Maia. Not exactly going out on any limbs there. Tough draw for Weidman to fight Maia on short notice.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I think the Weidman-Maia fight will be interesting. Haven’t seen much of Weidman, but we’ll see if he wants to go on the ground with Maia.
Also will be interesting to see if Davis can take down Evans. If he can’t, its gonna be a short fight.
Unless Bisping has some serious submissions from his back, which I doubt, its gonna be a boring fight.
Davis couldn’t take down Nogeria easily, Jason Brillz could. He’s got no chance against Suga.
I don’t even remember Bisping even attempting a submission at any point in the UFC so he’s gonna get punched in the head from guard for 15 minutes.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling that Davis worked a lot more on wrestling for this fight than he did for Noguiera. Still a really young fighter, room to improve. At least, that’s what I’m hoping for. I don’t really have any animus against Evans, but I like Davis more.
Basically because of that one crazy catch-wrestling submission he did against Boetsch.
Seems like Bisping’s whole jiu jitsu is based on getting back to his feet and he’s pretty good at that.
I would have really liked to see Bisping-Maia and Munoz- Sonnen.
I actually think Bisping beats Maia in what would have ended up being a kickboxing match.
Davis has also been on the shelf for almost a year now due to injuries so that hurts too.
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I actually like both these matchups a lot better. I think Munoz/Sonnen would have been a lot like Munoz/Okami which was just awful to watch. At least here I get the satisfaction of watching Bisping lose and if he does win, I get to see Anderson Silva punch his head off.
Weidman/Maia is a huge test for Weidman but his at least solid and wrestling trumps usually, but Maia is on a completely different plane from what Weidman has faced and we might actually see Weidman finish someone. I feel like Bisping/Maia feeds right into Bisping’s game plan and he would have just out pointed him on the feet.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Me too
I’m on constant lookout for new media streams that I can work to make sure Nolander doesn’t steal.
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by mleadman on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
HITNG?
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
What is “B2C business”?
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, thanks.
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by David Young on Jan 27, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
You just do the leg work :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 12:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
xxx
Since testing was instituted these are the players who have had an OPS+ > 170 as Kemp did last year. To get an OPS of 1.000 playing at Dodgers Stadium, he’d be in HOF territory considering he’s a CF. Mostly First Baseman on this list with Bautista, Chipper, Arod, and Hamilton breaking the mold.
Rk Player OPS+ Year Age HR BB IBB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Albert Pujols 190 2008 28 37 104 34 54 .357 .462 .653 1.114 *3/D4
2 Albert Pujols 189 2009 29 47 115 44 64 .327 .443 .658 1.101 *3/D
3 Miguel Cabrera 181 2011 28 30 108 22 89 .344 .448 .586 1.033 *3/D
4 Jose Bautista 181 2011 30 43 132 24 111 .302 .447 .608 1.056 *95/D
5 Travis Hafner 181 2006 29 42 100 16 111 .308 .439 .659 1.097 *D/3
6 Miguel Cabrera 178 2010 27 38 89 32 95 .328 .420 .622 1.042 *3/D
7 Albert Pujols 178 2006 26 49 92 28 50 .331 .431 .671 1.102 *3
8 Chipper Jones 176 2008 36 22 90 16 61 .364 .470 .574 1.044 *5/D
9 Alex Rodriguez 176 2007 31 54 95 11 120 .314 .422 .645 1.067 *5/D
10 Derrek Lee 174 2005 29 46 85 23 109 .335 .418 .662 1.080 *3
11 Albert Pujols 173 2010 30 42 103 38 76 .312 .414 .596 1.011 *3
12 Alex Rodriguez 173 2005 29 48 91 8 139 .321 .421 .610 1.031 *5/6D
13 Carlos Pena 172 2007 29 46 103 10 142 .282 .411 .627 1.037 *3/D
14 Matt Kemp 171 2011 26 39 74 24 159 .324 .399 .586 .986 *8/D
15 Joey Votto 171 2010 26 37 91 8 125 .324 .424 .600 1.024 *3
16 David Ortiz 171 2007 31 35 111 12 103 .332 .445 .621 1.066 *D/3
17 Josh Hamilton 170 2010 29 32 43 5 95 .359 .411 .633 1.044 *78D
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 1/27/2012.
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I’d like Verlander to tell me again why he deserves the MVP since no one else on his team is worthy of it.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
“I was better”
-Justin Verlander
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 10:06 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah he fucking was
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Either times really have changed
Or Dodger Stadium really helps Kemp’s OPS+, as Kemp is the only sub 1.000 OPS player on this list.
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Or the league offense could simply revert to 2010 (or 2009) levels and Kemp’s 2011 season would be > 1.000
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Would he not also regress with the rest of the league? Why he stay constant while everyone else regresses?
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp would stay the same relative to the rest of the league.
2011 was the lowest offensive year in MLB in 19 years.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Using the Baseball-Reference neutralized batting tool
2011 Matt Kemp with Dodger Stadium as his home park in …
2010: 1.001 OPS
2009: 1.007
2008: 1.025
2007: 1.053
2006: 1.061
2005: 1.020
2004: 1.022
2003: 1.017
2002: .995
Have to go back nine years to find the last year Kemp’s 2011 season would have produced an OPS under 1.000.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
When did they build the new seats in foul territory?
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
A Frank innovaton
I’m guessing 2006
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This was my comment:
To get an OPS of 1.000 playing at Dodgers Stadium, he’d be in HOF territory considering he’s a CF
What are you arguing with me about?
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Not arguing. Just pointing out Kemp’s season in 2011, in eight out of the last 10 years would have produced an OPS of 1.000 or higher. He just happened to break out in a season in which offense was at its lowest level in nearly two decades.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
The relative mediocrity of the league, hittingwise, doesn’t affect Kemp’s hitting. His breakout season was his breakout season. In a better offensive climate, his OPS+ declines, but his OPS wouldn’t have changed.
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Mediocre hitting, or dominant pitching?
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
How does other hitting being better make Matt Kemp’s hitting better?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
There are fluctuations in park factors from year to year too, and other smaller changes like schedules (mostly interleague) that affect the environment.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
but what Nolij and myself are saying is his on base percentage and slugging percentage aren’t affected by someone else’s at bats. his OPS+ would be affected, but not his OPS, and we were asking about having an OPS of 1.000 not an OPS+ of 171. The league doesn’t affect his percentages, simply his relative rankings.
"We'll see" said the Zen Master
The parks he plays in and the teams and pitchers and defenses he plays against affect Kemp’s percentages. Those aren’t constants.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I’m constantly confused
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Houston WhiteShoes Johnsons
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
wat?
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
clink?
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
If it’s bloody, you’re doing it wrong. Loosen the grip.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Brits can’t even beat off properly
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Houston Nolanders
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Kit and caboodle
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting………
Only eight IBB’s for Arod and Votto
Only five for Hamilton
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
You know who is not on this list………….
Prince Fielder
but Carlos Pena is, Derrek Lee is. Tis shocking
Chipper Jones owned at age 36
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
As Paul Harvey would say
the rest of the story is that James Franco got his bachelor’s degree at UCLA
I think my laptop may have a virus. Was having a shitload of internet trouble with Firefox when I was writing that, and was ready to throw my computer against a wall.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I’m going to uninstall and reinstall Firefox tonight and see if that helps.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Using the above table, Chipper Jones had an OPS+ of 176 at the age of 36. In the history of baseball for qualified batting title plate appearances only three players have ever done this.
Babe Ruth did it twice.
Who is the other player?
One hint, post WWII season
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Nope
2nd Hint
he is still alive
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I did not count Bonds 2001 season but he did do it.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Not really alive, at least as we understand it
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he says, with kitten drippings runny down his greasy chin
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Williams or Musial
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Stan the Man it is
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
While it was awesome to see him in some pics last year with Pujols and the Cardinals last year, Stan the Man does look very, very old. It will be sad when he is gone.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I can till no one reads what I say:)
Babe Ruth did it twice.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Project Prospect has released their top 100 prospect list and the Dodgers don’t fair well.
Zach Lee at 60, Eovaldi honorable mention.
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Well they did this just to make me lose my argument to you didn't they!
lol
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You could argue that Yu Darvish shouldn’t count and he’s really 59 :)
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
These contestants on Baseball IQ are pretty lousy
it is a very frustrating show to watch, although I am sure it is difficult for the people on stage.
Yeah. You’d think each team would have better nerds.
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part of me rejoices that they don’t
seems pretty useless that info, for bringing value to the team today
but yeah, I would have guessed better
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Reds nerd 1: Should we extend Joey Votto until 2020?
Reds nerd 2: Pat Borders was World Series MVP in 1992.
Reds nerd 1: But is he a comp. Let’s focus on Votto.
Reds nerd 2: Dennis Martinez is in the top-14 of winningest foreign-born pitchers.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Article about Nolander's topic
A point made at the end in how having a family changes viewer’s habits
Note, I did not use the word interesting.
“These people that have been fantasizing about having a cable-like package for $7.99 are just delusional,” said James Marsh, a managing director and senior research analyst at Piper Jaffray who covers the entertainment industry. “You’re going to have to pay for the value of that content one way or another.”
This misses the point so bad it hurts. I’m willing to pay way more then 7.99… but I want to be able to choose the content I pay for. I don’t want to be paying a bunch of extra money for content I don’t want or need.
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the marketplace!
Cable today is like a food subscription that dumps a bunch of shit off at your house every day. You have to pay for all of it, whether you want to eat it or not
Nolander wants instant Pink Dot, just bring me the stuff I want baby
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
To bad because I agree. I would like a 25 Roster package. Each month I pick the 25 I want for $100 a month. It would became a family night where everyone gathers around their Ipad and does a draft of the 25 stations from each of their bedrooms.
The cable stations have to market to me, to get me to pick them.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
you can already get most shows online either through hulu or itunes or amazon
just sometimes at an obnoxious markup. Netflix is going to be the next HBO, and HBO will have to adapt to keep up. Its going to be a long rough road, but its going to happen.
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The reason I like Roku is because I choose which stations I want.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
yeah but that is a hassle
keeping laptops open, charged, having cables all over the place I am tired just thinking about it.
Stereo is the way to go
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Marty, need a ruling
quadraphonic
the shit or not the shit?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
we’ve added at least 3 speakers since those days
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
But not lupus.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
YOU BOOGER-EATING MORON
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
First and Foremost, let us praise the freedom to be able to yell
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I resent that you can use Moron and I can’t use Retarded since Moron was simply the word for Retarded back in the day.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
and dumb meant mute, everything changes
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
“Hahahaha that guy was named Dummy Hoy old school baseball was awesome….wait that was pretty fucked up”
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
more and more devices have the ability to access htis content built in
smart tvs, roku boxes, ps3, xbox 360, etc. The problem is they still don’t let a lot of content stream to their devices(which is what makes Hulu plus so shiity). The future I dream of doesn’t require an htpc, but i’ll have one anyways.
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Netflix is pretty nice
I was just disappointed yesterday, I bought a HDMI adapter for the ipad, hooked it up and fired up HBO To Go and got a message that HBO won’t let you do that.
Bullshit
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seriously though
this House of Cards show sounds like it could be amazing.
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I also don’t know that a la carte would be inherently better. Yeah, there are only a handful of stations that I’d want to subscribe to, but those stations wouldn’t be charging their current subscriber fees directly to the consumer. If a la carte got adopted, I have to think they’d ask for, and receive, a lot, lot more than they currently get (albeit from far, far fewer subscribers). I gotta believe I’d be paying something close to what I currently pay for satellite — and receiving far fewer networks.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
You could also sell individual shows
which they mostly do now. The only thing that they really refuse to put out there is HBO and Showtime content till a year later, and sports. Sports is the golden goose.
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Also, you actually want things that you didn’t know you wanted. I would have never guessed that I would want Bravo, but I dig Top Chef. I was able to check out Portlandia with minimal investment because IFC is already there. I agree that the whole spate is probably the way to go.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I like when I discover something unexpected on a channel I normally don’t watch
I’d hate to lose the ability to expand myself
if everything is made just for you, you become more and more like yourself…..awfully fucking narrowing
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
It wouldn't be hard for them to offer free episodes as demos
hell they already do.
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Sounds like incest with yourself.
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I would also like this menu for health care and that aint happening either
(not sure if that counts as politics)
Tom Bergeron’s twitter joke on this was that it was no big deal when he had done six years of Hollywood Squares with no pants on.
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fascinating!
Btw – nice seeing you last night. I hope you like your Natalie original, that puts you in a select group
I love that wine. Every time I drink it, I want more. I was so ready for another bottle last night, but didn’t have the legs under me to pull it off
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
“You get married, and have kids, and now…you want to put something on for the kids to watch, and so on. At that point a traditional pay-TV package probably suits your needs.”
this is disturbing on some level. Johnny I don’t want to play catch with you, go watch Hannah Montanah instead.
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trust me
you need to give your kids some TV or you would never get mundane shit like washing dishes or sweeping the floor done.
if kids are not good for labor, then what are they good for at all?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
If you can’t sweep the floor using your kid you are raising them wrong
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
the decline of America
Could it be when we started valuing our children’s happiness over their usefullness?
Discuss
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
they can work younger than you think
if this was a farm in the 1880s they’d be working
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
If this was China 2011 they would be working
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
all he is good for right now
is stocking the beverage center. and even after that i have to organize it.
INTERESTING JUST MEANS AROUSING INTEREST!
by Josie Becker on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
like caps
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
he is of the school of saying a lot of dumb shit, being wrong
and then later pretending he was right. He is also basically a PR tool for the team. He is also always wrong.
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dude, I was just doing a thing where I replied “Interesting” or “maybe” to a bunch of shit
I am not sure I was really communicating as much as I was pissing
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Houston Comicle::Nolander=Denver Post::Underdog
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Jan 27, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hans Gruber thought that.
Then he died.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
hahaha
You know Hans Gruber was Alan Rickman’s very first movie role…at the age of 46!
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and btw
he was a fucking war hero so show some respect
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
let me know when he starts showing journalistic integrity
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I was playing on the name
let go of the hate
it was poor reference
ah fuck it, yeah he is a dirt bag
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
nah he is a nice guy from what I understand
just a shitty journalist
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you have aroused my interest by yelling at me
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Peyton is a girl’s name.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
It's the truth Ruth
Right now, Peyton is the 50th-or-so most popular girl’s name in the US.
It is also the 150th-or-so most popular boy’s name.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
This meme better die soon or I’m going to start banning people
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I’m enjoying it
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
me too
First and foremost, I maybe find it more interesting than most of the stuff I hate around here
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You’re my favorite mod did I ever tell you that.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
The Houston Banned Commenters?
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
The Houston Buzzkill mods
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Houston Fave Five’s
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
your lucky you are who you are, or that may have been the one
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Tis amazing that a mod has the power to strip away four years of work with the nonchalance of the queen of hearts offing someone’s head.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of that
How has Arnold Schwarzenegger never said “Let them eat..urinal cake” as a line before he kills a guy in a movie?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
doesn’t he have to choke the guy to death by shoving a urinal cake in his mouth for this to work?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Either that, or violently slam a dude’s head down against a urinal, simultaneously breaking his neck.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
that’s better, in my version the hero has to pick the cake out of the urinal, not very sexy
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Remember that one movie where he held the guy over a super-high drop and said something like, “This is my weak arm, Sallie”?
I’d like a remake where he says, “How about these park factors?”
“Billy’s still in baseball, but he’s blind. Peter Brand has had a brain aneurysm that required a lobotomy, but he’s still employed by the A’s…….”
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder what that feels like. ;-)
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USC basketball is now down to 6 scholarship players on the active roster. Very possible they go 0-18 in conference play.
Two worst teams in Pac-12 battle Saturday night, and of course that game is televised.
Is this the worst USC bball team ever?? I think some HS teams could probably beat these fools. Thank you lord I dont care about SC bball that much.
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Can someone give Oneal and his drunk wife the boot already? Where we gonna go with him here?
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I thought you didn’t care about USC basketball?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a Miner sport to him.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Splunking
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
lol, well, I slightly care, just like I sorta care about SC baseball too… It was fun watching SC win the College WS vs CS Fullerton…. SC baseball has been worse then basketball, but Kreuter is gone now thank god….. But just think they could get someone better then Oneal. Cant spend all this money on a new arena just to suck balls.
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
are you trying to plant the seeds for a teabagging again?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
What’s a meta for?
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Guarding Clippers
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Plus, we need a decent bball team so we can chant “Just Like Football” thats the best part about college basketball lol
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
you are right… my bad…. it was Arizona ST… did we play them in that tournament? or maybe they beat us the year before, it was awhile ago.
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I must have missed the news on this one, but I generally don’t have a problem with drunk wives. Unless they are the belligerent drunk type.
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O’Neill got into an altercation before a game in the Pac-10 tourney last year. His wife was involved.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I will be attending
and much happier about it too since i have a WIFI password now because there is no 3G inside that place.
Whats years did you go to LB State? My bro went there too….
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
I was looking at USC’s stats and saw of bunch of 300s in their rankings. The Pac-12 is abysmal this year.
talking about Hoops or baseball?
It’s incredible how far the PAC has fallen in hoops. Just 4 years ago, the PAC sent 7 teams to the tournament and had 3 of the first 5 picks in the NBA draft. Now, they might only send 1 team to the tournament.
Not a single vote for the top 25 in either poll last week.
Probably will only get two teams into the NCAA tournament, and that might be one too many. The conference is the worst I have ever seen.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
The only time I see HJ happier than how he was when he
talked about the winery in Sicily that produced last night’s wine is when he talks about Kershaw
Yes
I believe only Ellen Kershaw can honestly say that.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 27, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Craig!
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
meercat
has to get his mind out of the Valley
by bhsportsguy on Jan 27, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Hah. Tripping Olney, you so cray cray
Not Buster Olney @TrippingOlney
THE FACT PIERRE GOT A DEAL? MT @washingnats: Juan Pierre get a Minor League deal and L Nix gets a Major League deal? Something is not right.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
you’re name, that’s what not right. Grown man calling himself Buster, on national TV no less, let’s start with your name and then we can move on to the rest of the worlds ills
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, looks like we will have a Super Bowl Pool
Only 26 squares left, fairly sure they will be mostly gone by this weekend. Going to be a fun one.
20 Buy in
$200 Payout 1st Qtr
$300 Payout 2nd Qtr
$400 Payout 3rd Qtr
$600 Payout Final Score
Reverse Combo Payout
$25 Per Qtr
Adjacent Square to winning Combo
$100 per Qtr ( 4 * 25)
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Houston Rubles
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Methinks his "we"
is his workplace
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
I despise floating pro-nouns
I nearly fired a guy who could not stop saying “they”
I never knew who the fuck he was talking about
I’m looking at you Phil
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
we = friends of phil
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
something about this sentence just doesn’t seem right
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
fine
we = friend of phil
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Would you like a square?
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Charles Nelson Reilly over Paul Lynde. Interesting choice…….
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Methinks one time moderator Brendan Scolari’s Yahoo email has been penetrated.
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Brandon Weeden
Apparently he kicked some major ass this week during the Senior Bowl stuff and now he’s projected as a 1st rounder.
A 28-year-old first round pick. Unbelievable.
proving once again just how hard baseball is
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Would be higher than Weeden was drafted in baseball (2nd round, 2002).
And higher than Chris Weinke was drafted in football (4th round, 2001).
But will Weeden go higher than Charlie Ward did in the NBA draft (26th overall, 1994)?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Tony Gonzalez was drafted highly in football. Julius Peppers was drafted even higher.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Man, Julius Peppers should have earned a doctorate.
Or perhaps dyed himself orange. Orange Julius Peppers! He’d make a fortune.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Dr OJ!
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
Charlie Ward should have tried baseball
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Higher and Weeden
just seem to go together
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
Biggest questions about him are age and arm strength
if he can show arm strength isn’t an issue that helps him a lot
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
more relevant than you might think...
can he carry TV’s?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Methinks Milquetoast is a fine word with a short runway
I prefer Toastermilk, easy way for busy Moms to serve a hot breakfast the whole family can enjoy, the vitamins and minerals to keep the kids at their best all day long
Toastermilk
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
What I tell the kids every morning
Yeah, you’re hungry, are you? Well, get yourself some food. No, I’m not gonna get it for you. What am I, your…… ohhhhhh.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like you need some Toastermilk
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Be… Sure… to… Drink… Your…. Toastermilk? Son of a bitch!
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I found two TVs last night on the street
They are both 27 inch, flat screens (box style). Don’t know if they work yet but will be testing tomorrow. Wish me luck.
Be careful the latest gag is to put bobbytraps in tv’s and leave them out on the streets.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
In silverwidow’s house, television watches YOU!
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
you didn’t happen to notice a bunch of looters running about – did you?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
True story
I was just coming home from work after picking up 5 chili dogs. Literally two blocks from my house I notice this fairly nice sets (Samsung and Sharp) and just had to pick them up. My arms hurt like a bitch today though.
by silverwidow on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
because this is how my brain works
where’d you put the chili dogs?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
OB12 is secretly Van Morrison and he’s still super pissed about him stealing that riff.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
5 chili dogs?
How’d you settle on that number?
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
he ate 4 the previous day and found himself still a mite peckish
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
mite peckish
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
peckish, when simply hungry will not do
by The Stuntmen on Jan 27, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Silverwidow goes big and he goes home. With two TVs.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I was just coming home from work after picking up 5 chili dogs.
The beginning of your book.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, I was just coming home from work after picking up 5 chili dogs.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
God damn, I am not writing another word.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
he sure beat the dickens out of that one
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
And of course, the title of this work is “Assail of Two Titties.”
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Full disclosure
I had two chili dogs and chili cheese fries from The Der the other day.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
so I couldn’t resist the bargain basement price. I am a season ticket holder for the first and probably last time
Good luck with the ticket resales.
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LOL, it’s not even spring yet. I have hope. Hope spring eternal
by The Stuntmen on Jan 27, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
The next line of that poem cuts the legs right out from under you: “Man never IS, but always TO BE blessed.”
As in: Keep dreaming, sucka.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
“hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies”
by The Stuntmen on Jan 27, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
It never asked a crumb of me.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Has there ever been any players signed out of Cuba that were straight up bad? I’m sure there were but I can’t think of any.
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yes
don’t ask me who, I can’t remember them, because they were bad
but yes
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
over 25 have a career WaR less then -.5
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Cuba
Rk Player WAR/pos From To Age PA OPS Pos Tm
1 Jackie Hernandez -5.3 1965 1973 24-32 1609 .526 6/54983 CAL-MIN-KCR-PIT Central Tinguaro Cuba
2 Jose Arcia -4.5 1968 1970 24-26 662 .538 6/45783 CHC-SDP La Habana Cuba
3 Jose Valdivielso -4.1 1955 1961 21-27 1080 .572 *6/45 WSH-MIN Matanzas Cuba
4 Chico Fernandez -3.4 1956 1963 24-31 3079 .622 *6/543 BRO-PHI-DET-TOT La Habana Cuba
5 Mike Guerra -2.7 1937 1951 24-38 1750 .603 *2/7 WSH-PHA-TOT La Habana Cuba
6 Julio Becquer -2.6 1955 1963 23-31 1029 .628 3/719 WSH-TOT-MIN La Habana Cuba
7 Marty Martinez -2.4 1962 1972 20-30 1038 .583 6/542731 MIN-ATL-HOU-TOT La Habana Cuba
8 Orestes Destrade -2.1 1987 1994 25-32 866 .702 *3/D NYY-PIT-FLA Santiago de Cuba Cuba
9 Tony Martinez -2.0 1963 1966 23-26 186 .398 /64 CLE Perico Cuba
10 Carlos Paula -1.7 1954 1956 26-28 492 .727 /97 WSH La Habana Cuba
11 Juan Delis -1.6 1955 1955 27-27 139 .446 /5974 WSH Santiago de Cuba Cuba
12 Roberto Ortiz -1.4 1941 1950 26-35 718 .659 *9/7 WSH-TOT Camaguey Cuba
13 Gil Torres -1.3 1940 1946 24-30 1356 .583 *65/413 WSH Regla Cuba
14 Willy Miranda -1.2 1951 1959 25-33 2121 .553 *6/543 WSH-TOT-NYY-BAL Velasco Cuba
15 Chico Ruiz -1.0 1964 1971 25-32 1255 .574 45/63792 CIN-CAL Santo Domingo Cuba
16 Angel Aragon -0.9 1914 1917 23-26 87 .315 /57869 NYY La Habana Cuba
17 Ossie Alvarez -0.9 1958 1959 24-25 219 .498 /645 WSH-DET Bolondron Cuba
18 Jack Calvo -0.8 1913 1920 19-26 63 .453 /798 WSH La Habana Cuba
19 Jose Rodriguez -0.6 1916 1918 22-24 165 .451 /435 NYG La Habana Cuba
20 Paul Casanova -0.5 1965 1974 23-32 2930 .571 *2 WSA-ATL Colon Cuba
21 Orlando McFarlane -0.5 1962 1968 24-30 316 .622 /29 PIT-DET-CAL Oriente Cuba
22 Rogelio Alvarez -0.5 1960 1962 22-24 38 .400 /3 CIN Pinar del Rio Cuba
23 Ozzie Canseco -0.5 1990 1993 25-28 74 .590 /7D9 OAK-STL La Habana Cuba
24 Leo Sutherland -0.5 1980 1981 22-23 108 .551 /78D CHW Santiago de Cuba Cuba
25 Sandy Valdespino -0.5 1965 1971 26-32 838 .581 *7/9 MIN-ATL-TOT-MIL-KCR San Jose de las Lajas Cuba
Rk Player WAR/pos From To Age PA OPS Pos Tm
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 1/27/2012.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
If you move that list to when full sanctions began in 1992 all those names drop off.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, was just answering you original question. Not the question of have any Cubans been signed since sanctions went into effect who have been godawful bad.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I see the list but when I think “signed out of Cuba” I don’t think guys that were just born there, I think going straight from defection to the bigs.
I’m sure some of the guys on the list count for that but damned if I know who.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Just checked him, came over when he was six.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the Yankee’s signed a Cuban 3rd baseman who never even made it to the major leagues a few years back
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn’t surprise me.
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t Fidel Castro a baseball prospect who didn’t make it, returned to Cuba, and started a revolution?
If that’s not the case, it should be.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Had a tryout with the Senators, of all teams.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It turns out that this story falls under Stephen’s Corollary to Humma’s Second Law, which makes it absofuckinglutely true.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
if a butterfly farts in sri lanka then a hurricane wipes out greenland
if some scout liked Fi-fi’s deuce, the Cuban Missle crisis never happens
I love this shit
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Viciendo will test this
But I can’t really think of any
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 27, 2012 11:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Rey Ordonez was a dreadful hitter
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Still made the cover of Sports Illustrated!
by Eric Stephen on Jan 27, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Is there going to be one practice for this softball game? If I am going all the way over there I want to win.
We will win at least one game
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone enjoy the Milk commercial with the mom shaking the hell out of the alternative milk?
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It made me think though. Milk is only homogenized because of some chemical process and does still settle a little bit. One would think soy/rice/almond/soylentgreen milk could do something similar as well, right?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Things I never expected to be doing in 2012, drinking Almond Milk on an everyday basis because I like it.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll even pour some in my coffee
but I highly suggest that you DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT, use it as a milk replacement in scrambled eggs. not so good
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve used it in omelettes
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I would very much like to see the process that turns hard nutty almonds into alternative milk.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
ah, that age we live in, instant gratification
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
apparently the answer is
1)blend
2)strain
3)there is no 3
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
hey, she’s cute and who can not love a cute girl wearing a shirt that says
Eat Raw
Live Long
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Live Raw, Eat Long
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It’s five o’clock somewhere!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It’s Lima Time somewhere.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I’m simply a dolt and I will not embarrass myself by explaining how doltish I can be
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
easy, this is still family hour
after dark doesn’t start until 2:30
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
report from my sales ops manager
She shared an elevator with Vanilla Ice
I repeat, Vanilla Ice is in my building
What is it like to share an elevator with a melting dessert on a windy day
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Offer him some Toastermilk
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Like as a janitor or something?
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by regfairfield on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You should stop what you’re doing, so you can collaborate with him. Make sure to listen to his ideas though.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Stop what I’m doing? This is what I’m doing….
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha
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by meercatjohn on Jan 27, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Then I also don’t have to ruin the style and the image that you’re used to.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Hm… three of the biggest pop-hip-hop songs circa 1991 (Ice Ice Baby, Humpty Dance, U Can’t Touch This) all prominently entreaty the listener to Stop. That must mean something, unless as Vinny says, it means absolutely nothing.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
ninja, ninja, RAP!. Go ninja go ninja GO
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Forbes wrote an article about it, mostly trying to imply that the Rams are coming back to LA
I think there is a better shot
at the Rams coming to LA than Kroenke buying the Dodgers.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
So wait
SW brings home 5 chili dogs and two tvs and he won’t know if the tvs will work until he gets home tonight?
by bhsportsguy on Jan 27, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I knew there was something missing with that story
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
It takes time to eat five chili dogs
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Charles Dickens didn’t call it the season of Darkness for nothin’.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I’m trying to come up with another Dickens diarrhea reference, but the best I can do is “Martin Chuzzlebutt.” Not sure that’s gonna cut it.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
from anyone else that’s a quality play
we’ve come to expect great things from you
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Please, sir, I went some more.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
better, that is from
Oliver Twisted Bowels
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Lost a huge deal this morning
Should I take up drinking? If so, what should I drink on a Friday afternoon when my bank account took a huge hit?
White Russians made with Toastermilk
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Just Jack
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
If he hasn't drank before
I would suggest vodka mixed with some fruit juice, screwdrivers, greyhounds, etc.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I am telling you – I know “I lost a deal” drinking
Whisky, not too expensive, ice to give yourself some reprieve, and no mixers so that you taste the alcohol
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I was just reminded that I am not allowed to drink the coffee
Because coffee is for closers.
Looks like alcohol is my only option.
yeah – you don’t even get Steak Knives
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think alcohol will do the trick… this sounds like a job for drugs, hard drugs
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
take one hit of this shit, and you’ll be like, mothafucka, what account???
by uschris0304 on Jan 27, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Clearly heroin is the only option. Good advice there, Ann Landers.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
so
when did you add the perpetual TWSS tag line?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 27, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
6/10, but I mis-clicked on David Berkowitz, so it should have been 7. Thought that last guy was BTK.
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by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 27, 2012 12:49 PM PST reply actions
Speaking of litigation, how goes your tussle with HR?
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Larry Bowa’s grandkid slides spikes high.
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“I know, Spawn. I know.”
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 27, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
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What was David Youngs screen name before he became a Mod?
What was Eric Stephens Dodger THoughts Screen name before he became TrueBlueLa’s Editor?
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What was Chad’s original Dodger Blog called before he choose Memories of Kevin Malone
What was Regfairfeld original Dodger Blog called before he became a past editor of TrueBlueLa?
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Fire Ned Colletti Now is wrong but with the right idea
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The subtitle of the blog:
Fire Ned Colletti….because he sucks
by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I notice you didn’t ask what your screen name was on Dodger Thoughts. Too easy?
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