Los Angeles Dodger Owner Handicapping
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM PST
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When the announcement came down early this that week that Joe Torre was partnering up with Rick Caruso, Daily News columnist Tom Hoffarth decided to handicap the potential owners. I have no idea if Tom is correct on how he handicapped them, but this is a good place to find out who all the players are as we look toward Jan 23rd.
Then again, it does beg the obvious question: Where were all these supposed heavy hitters about eight years ago when Frank and Jamie McCourt seemed to be the only option that baseball commissioner Bud Selig had when it came to handing over the keys to Dodger Stadium?
Tom thinks the recent Torre/Caruso group has the best chance of winning.
I was curious if the TBLA community would like to get involved in this. Looking for volunteers to write a fanpost about each group that would eventually find their way to the front page.
Joe Torre / Rick Caruso
Magic Johnson / Stan Kasten / Guggenheim Baseball Management
Larry King / Dennis Gilbert / Imperial Capital
Steve Cohen
Peter O Malley
Orel Hershiser / Steve Garvey
Fred Claire
Mark Cuban
Time Warner
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What about Josh Macciello
You are making Mason and Ireland feel irrelevant and out of touch…
Oh woops, too late.
WHAMMY!
I can't wait to read some of these
and would love to do one
but work, and wife, the girls in my life, they won’t let me
Reasons there are more bidders now than in 2003
a) owner not saddled with a bad TV deal for 10 years
b) new owner now gets to be a hero, in the sense that he/she isn’t McCourt
McCourt should have been a hero because he wasn’t Fox
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I thought he was
I loved his Americana story of pulling himself up by his bootstraps, and buying a baseball team because of his love of the game, and that generations of McCourts would lead this team to victory, little did I know.
WHAMMY!
Is there a c.)?
woops…
c.) MLB has grown further in popularity, increased attendance, and opportunity for ad revenue such that it is a better opportunity than it was almost 10 years ago?
WHAMMY!
Great idea
At this point, I really don’t know which ownership group I should be rooting for
I’m rooting for the one that greatest distracts TBLA members from discussing music. When I’m in hell, I’ll be reading other people’s opinions of music, literature, and movies and won’t be allowed to look away.
THIS!
I love this post, it makes you appear so surly and ornery, that and your screen shot.
And I mean that as a complete compliment.
WHAMMY!
I call BS
Kinbote often joins in on the discussion. He’s just messin with us
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I don’t like the casual dismissing of major artists/whatever by people with no pedigree at all. It’s no biggie, just painful to read sometimes. BTW, Mozart blows!
Court has a pedigree, but I’d agree with this sentiment if I gave a shit what anyone here thought.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Which I do, so quit telling people the music they like sucks. The editor of this site likes Journey for Gods sake.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If you go back to the discussion, I actually started out defending a band that someone else said sucked
That's cause he's a smart smart man!
I listened to We Built This City earlier (going in the 80s vein) and it rocked! 80s music forever!
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Jefferson Starship was never Jefferson Airplane, and Jefferson Airplane was never Hot Tuna. Just my freaking opinion :)
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Another great album title
You Broke My Heart, So I Busted Your Jaw.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Now that’s a good band. Almost as good as Atomic Rooster.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Ah, man Carl Palmer. What a drummer, what a drum kit.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Vincent Crane-from the Crazy World of Arthur Brown
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
intensities in ten cities
best album name
by padrecarroeselmer on Jan 6, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Around Christmas, I was holding my soon-to-be-one great nephew and talking to his mom (who teaches piano) about how he needs to get started soon to pass Mozart. Then we basically agreed that Mozart had some help, like a parent doing his homework, when he composed at five.
oh kinbote
you know you love the non baseball talk, just like Xei!
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I'm for
Magic/Kasten/Guggenheim
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m all for whatever ownership group would be best, but I have decided I don’t want Magic a part of the Dodgers. I’d like to keep my memories of Magic Laker-centric. (and the Magic Hour, obviously)
It's just crazy enough to work
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I forget which national writer tweeted about it earlier, but I saw “Mets” and “R.Cedeno” and my first thought was Roger.
When 24-year old Roger Cedeno put up .313/.396/.408 (only a 106 OPS+ in 1999) with 66 steals and 60 walks in his first year out of LA, I was an angry man. It was equal parts “why couldn’t you do that here?” and “we let another one get away.”
Then you remembered why we called him Wrong Way Roger
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
a 12 and 13 year old me could not understand why Cedeno seemingly played so much. He was so sucky as a Dodger.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
as long as your not fucking Walken you should be fine
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There's one type of wood
that doesn’t float
by The Dude Abides on Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Take your dramamine
The slower boats out there can really start rockin’ and rollin’ if the chop gets high.
I remember going out there for 6th grade science camp, and 2/3rds the kids were puking over the side. It was awesome!
WHAMMY!
Thanks
I remember being out on the deck during turbulence…it was unbelievably fun. Wind and water hitting my face at 100 MPH. Great stuff.
You would never have made it as a pirate Eric
Captain Morgan would have keelhauled you so fast.
WHAMMY!
If the boat ride is taking years, they aren’t taking you to Catalina. Alert the authorities.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
I'll write up the Torre/Caruso fanpost
since it’s the easiest (i.e. a lot of info already out there).
this are my guys!
I am team Torre and Caruso
You launch your bid by casually tossing in the name of an investment banker who is a bigger fish than either Torre or Caruso
well, that makes my heart affluter
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Just the possibility of Ned re-signing with the team makes me hope it's not the Torre/Caruso group
by The Dude Abides on Jan 7, 2012 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
Amen, bro
My thoughts exactly unless Torre secretly hated Ned for his moves.
by preacher roe on Jan 7, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
And I don't think anyone can out do Jon Weisman
On his take on Time Warner Cable
That leads into a second but not insignificant point. Operating a sports franchise is a big headache, and the Dodgers, with all their on-field and off-field needs, are no different. It takes a lot of manpower, and if you’re not doing it right — if it’s not your top priority — it can be a public relations disaster. And the odds are that lots of fans will find decide TWC doesn’t know how to run a baseball team.
Also, it’s not as simple as “we’re going to pay $4 billion for TV rights anyway, why not just buy the team for $1.2 billion” or whatever
Seems simple to me.
1. Write Check for 1.2 Billion
2. Sign media contract for 4 Billion
3. Watch Fox sports try to create a sports franchise out of the Clippers
4. Hire …………… as president
5. Let him run the Dodgers, with a proper budget
6. Stand back
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You forgot...
7. Become frustrated when Dodgers don’t turn around as large a profit in the first year
8. Get hit with major capital investments, and that doesn’t even cover any upgrades or substantial improvements
9. Discover that capping payroll at $110 M isn’t going to win you a championship
10. Grow tired of hearing your Board of Directors complain that the Dodgers aren’t making enough money
11. Look for new buyers ASAP
WHAMMY!
I thought it was Time Warner buying the company and not Fox?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Agreed, but...
This assumes that TWC applies logic and reason to their decision regarding the Dodgers, and that’s really a crapshoot.
WHAMMY!
Time Warner = AOL = Hufington Post. Yikes!
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Always trying to find slivers of hope
Josh Fields still has a chance to become Casey Blake.
Blake home runs before his major league 30 year old season 20
Josh Fields home runs before his 30 year old season 34
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Just nice to have a backup plan better then Russell Mitchell when Uribe fails.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
how is Russ Mitchell a backup plan – the gap between Uribe failing and Mitchell succeeding would fit on the of a pin along with several thousan dancing angels
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Big talk for a guy supporting a guy who even Russell Mitchell would have out hit last year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I can’t really buy into what I wrote with any conviction
the comment got started innocently enough, and then just started to write itself to completion
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
and I read your comment with a john wayne voice going off in my head
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I just figured he’d be playing 2nd base when Ellis gets hurt.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 6, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I rec’d your similar comment a few threads ago.
“Loaded at back-up catcher, the 2012 Dodgers embark . . .”
That’s a freebie if anyone needs it,
All he needs is a nickname that doesn’t make any sense that kinda sounds like his first name.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
I preferred Hector the Protector for the rectord.
by kinbote on Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think anyone actually wants Bard, I just think it’s inevitable that he’s making the team.
He’s better than Navarro at least.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Navarro the year before we got him: 49 OPS+
Bard last year: 66 OPS+
Such great heights and all.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
i guess.
to me, the only reason i like bard better than navarro is because he’s not on a major league contract.
Damn, you could say that about everyone we just signed.
I don’t think anyone actually wantsBardEllis, I just think it’s inevitable that he’s making the team.
.
He’s better than MilesNavarroat least.
I don’t think anyone actually wantsBardKennedy, I just think it’s inevitable that he’s making the team.
.
He’s better than MilesNavarroat least.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
No fair using Miles twice when the team bought 289 middle infielders.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
totally
cop out
you are better than that Phil
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Can’t believe I’ve forgotten about Sellers already.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
How didn't we call him
The Pink Panther
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
For nolander
I tried Flame Broiler again recently – it still sucks ass. I just can’t trust chain Teriyaki places anymore. Granted, I used to practically live at Yoshinoya…but this was many moons ago.
You are into Josie territory
Without benefit of a name, everyone here would know who wrote this post
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Bzzzz!
Sorry, Phil the giveaway was:
used to practically live at Yoshinoya
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
When you are done with it, I would like my brain back please
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
You suddenly have need for it?
(oooph :)
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sporadically
I mostly run on glue and tar
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
I had good Thai at lunch. Yet I don’t expect anyone to care.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
but we all want to know, what was her name?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
the essence of the philosophy of the American west
you are western
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
naw man.
Levinas was all about that rule. And fuck him.
Just looking at those piece of shit plastic thingamabobs makes my sphincter spasm.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That is a really good name for an intramural hockey team
The Spasming Sphincters defeated the Mother Puckers 5-2, with Phil Gurnee scoring a hat trick.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 7, 2012 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The chili distribution on each dog is exactly the same
there is not 5 dogs there!
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yes there are
They have just worked our their chili dog production runs to perfection. Its called science, believe it!
WHAMMY!
Call me old fashioned
I like to know what I am about to see
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Unnecessary apostrophe
/grammarhitler’d
by lnickerson88 on Jan 7, 2012 6:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like Yoshinoya
but w/e, its ust chicken with a little ibt of sauche and then you can add your own. not there is anything there for it to “suck ass”
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I'm living on caffiene right now
my fingers are all out of sorts on the keyboard right now.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
and I would never post from an Iphone
Galaxy Nexus 4life
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I hear that
Ahhh caffeine, what would we do without you.
Probably lots of speed and crack cocaine, so thanks coffee, for keeping me safe and off the streets.
WHAMMY!
That’s only a half joke. If I had to pick it might be either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VnwL4-Ghn0
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoYiQ8Qsozk
Which I quoted for you yesterday as it turns out.
I would pick an Elvis Costello song if I could narrow it down to one.
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by David Young on Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just one? Man that's tough, so I'll say
Dan Fogleberg’s “Longer”, which technically came out in 1980 but was first performed in ’79, and its just such a hard living, raucous, angry song. How can you not want to KILL with that song.
WHAMMY!
hahaha
now that i actually looked this song up, i really like this pick.
X – Los Angeles
Bowie Suffragette City
Bruce – Born to Run
All seemed new and fresh at the time.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Nope, the original was 1979
X’s first record deal was with independent label Dangerhouse, for which the band produced two singles, “Adult Books” (1978) and “Los Angeles” (“We’re Desperate” was the b-side to “Adult Books”). The Dangerhouse session version of “Los Angeles” was also featured in a Dangerhouse compilation in 1979 called “Yes L.A.” (a play on the now-famous No Wave compilation No New York), a picture disc that featured other early-punk-era LA bands like the Weirdos and Black Randy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sly & The Family Stone — I Want to Take You Higher (Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin) was 1969. Boo)
Led Zeppelin — Dazed and Confused
Rolling Stones — Wild Horses
Stevie Wonder — Livin’ For the City
I loved the relevant Stevie
Nice Stones choice
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
110 mph fast ball
Also known as Blue Bayou
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
Favorite song of the 70s?! There are about a million…that’s the greatest decade in pop music history.
How can you even reduce a decade to one song?
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 6, 2012 9:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
“You’re a Big Girl Now” from “Blood on the Tracks”
“Dr. Wu” from Steely Dan
“Going to California Song” by Led Zeppelin
Ask me in 5 minutes and I’ll have different songs.
by preacher roe on Jan 7, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Torre/Caruso group
as I think, with McCourt making the decision, he will go with who he knows. Then again, he needs the money, so he may just take the highest bid and run away laughing like a mad man.
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I am pulling the ripcord
My buddy bought 20 pounds of pork shoulder and 5 pounds of fat back
I bought a case of wine and 4 pounds of Boar leg
We are literally going to have a sausage (making) fest this weekend!
Enjoy the weekend and GO STEELERS
Wait wait wait
And then you and your buddy are going to eat all that sausage and consume all that wine?
DAAAAMMMNNNN!!! You are my hero!
WHAMMY!
I like the fact that HJ dismisses
That one should never watch sausage being made.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t even know what fat back is but I’m guessing it is self describing.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
back for a sec - otherside of the pig
all white, all fat, all good, all the time
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
No way, Fat Back bacon is prime
oSeriously, fat back is typically sought after for bacon connoisseurs, and yes they do exist, and no I’m not cool enough to be one.
WHAMMY!
perhaps I should have said looks like
this is what you get from k-mart
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Lard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatback
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Which begs the question
What is that white blob that makes it legal for bean sellers to call their product `Pork & Beans’?
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM PST reply actions
Has a Kobe Laker team ever been .500 or less eight games into a season?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Gotta imagine some of the Smush Parker era teams were.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
reminds me of a story I heard if a man over 100 years old
Whose diet consisted of three gallons of Thunderbird wine a week, and bread fried in fatback. When asked why he didn’t fry the bread in bacon, he said “Bacon’s too lean”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Love that guy :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 6:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
This Lakers Warriors game is almost hilariously terrible
Both teams look like they’re drunk or haven’t slept for a week.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
back to back, after the always tough Portland game
but yeah, Lakers look horrible, and Warriors should probably be up by more if they weren’t so lousy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
conversely the Warriors could be down by 15 if the Lakers weren't looking so lousy
so the close score is about right ;)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
at least Lakers finally remembered they were going up against Kwame Brown
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Steve Nash might be the best guard ever that was going to soon to be 38 years old…meaning there’s never been a guard at age38 thats as good as him.
Fielder will sign with Dodgers
but Tagliabue will void the deal in the best interests of baseball
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
ta who?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
makes as much sense to me as Stern voiding the Paul deal
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
the league doesn’t own the Dodgers though.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Two more bidders for Dodgers
Shaikin: Two new entrants in Dodgers ownership sweepstakes: http://lat.ms/xpYyaa
these sound like guys
who just want their names in the papers……..
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Much better second half
Lakers Win
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 6, 2012 10:05 PM PST reply actions
Just a guess: Torre/Caruso
if the money’s right, Torre is the most likely buyer not to trash previous ownership, since he worked for previous ownership and was part of the McCourt Era. Some of these other groups will crucify him everytime they have to fix something; Torre can’t.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Jan 7, 2012 7:23 AM PST reply actions
What’s up Dodger fam? Anybody up on the west coast yet?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
since 6AM!!!
Boar cube and soaking in red wine
Chopping and seasoning pork next
6 dead soldiers from the case of vino last night
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 7, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
17 pounds of spicy italian mixed and in freezer
moving on to Chiang Mai Thai sausage
head is wobbly, but the heart is true
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 7, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Just doing the do. Trying to find a way to watch the NFL games today. I have to admit I’m starting to get ansty for spring training.
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