Dodgers Winter Development Program Gets Underway This Weekend
by Eric Stephen on Jan 7, 2012 10:36 AM PST
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For the fifth straight year, the Dodgers will hold their Winter Development Program in Los Angeles, a program designed to help minor league players acclimate to major league life both on and off the field. The week-long program begins this weekend.
Don Mattingly, Tim Wallach, and Dave Hansen from the major league coaching staff will provide instruction, as will several roving instructors and those in player development. In addition to workouts at Dodger Stadium and instruction on diet, media relations, and MLB travel, the prospects will visit various places around Los Angeles. This year, the players will visit a youth center in Los Angeles called A Place Called Home, and will also attend a Los Angeles Clippers' game.
There are 15 Dodgers' prospects taking part in this year's Winter Development Program, including 2011 organizational player of the year Scott Van Slyke (True Blue LA No. 14 Dodgers prospect) and pitcher of the year Shawn Tolleson (No. 8). Joining those two are Alex Castellanos (No. 17), Griff Erickson (No. 19), Tim Federowicz (No. 9), Tyler Henson, Alfredo Silverio (No. 13), Matt Wallach, and pitchers Steven Ames, Michael Antonini, Stephen Fife, Josh Wall, Allen Webster (No. 2), Chris Withrow (No. 6), and established major leaguer Rubby De La Rosa, who is recovering from Tommy John Surgery.
De La Rosa, Erickson, and Ames also participated in the program last year. For Wallach and Withrow, they are the established veterans of the program as this is their third straight year coming to Dodger Stadium in January.
Seven players from last year's program — De La Rosa, Dee Gordon, Jerry Sands, Javy Guerra, Nathan Eovaldi, and Justin Sellers with the Dodgers; and Trayvon Robinson with the Seattle Mariners — played in the major leagues last season.
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Probably not popular to say
but my biggest game is probably still game 7 of the 2002 world series. Waiting for the Dodgers to make it to that promised land still…
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Did you go to that? My brother Kelly did with his son. Said the atmosphere was awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 7, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
not sure
Why I didn’t try to go to that game
by bhsportsguy on Jan 7, 2012 11:22 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
nah
I am sure that wasn’t it
by bhsportsguy on Jan 7, 2012 12:01 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Watched at home pacing behind the couch
Did get to go see them play the yankees though, which was awesome.
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So if the program lasts one week, there are only three Clippers games possible for the Dodgers to attend:
1) tonight against the Bucks (unlikely, since there was no media advisory about it, but possible)
2) Wednesday against the Heat
3) next Saturday against the Lakers (I would like to think the Dodgers press release would have mentioned a Clippers/Lakers game rather than just a Clippers game)
So my money is on the Heat game Wednesday
Agreed.
I think he’s the most deserving one on the ballot.
My ballot would look like this:
Bagwell
Raines
Martinez
Walker
Murphy
A number of other (non-steroid) guys are borderline, but it’s best to be conservative with these things.
Larkins one of those guys that its too bad he lost so much of his career to injuries, and I can see him taking a while before he gets in. But, he’s also the sort that the more you look at his numbers, the more deserving he looks. Theres really nothing that jumps out at you about his numbers, he just did a little of everything extremely well, and as a shortstop to boot.
From what we know right now it looks like Larkin and Raines are the only guys that have a shot.
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Sample size and all but Raines at least has a chance, Larkin is more than likely in.
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by regfairfield on Jan 8, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
And a bunch of new ballots came in that’re making Raines look less likely.
This year is probably just gonna be Larkin. Jack Morris looks like he hit a wall but will probably get voted into the veterans committee.
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Its amazing to me
that Tim Raines is having so much trouble getting in. Bagwell doesn’t surprise me: I think he should be a no doubter personally, but it doesn’t surprise me that the voters have lumped him in with the roiders.
Sure
Do we have a player named Riviera?
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
When Sands mans left field:
Sands Box?
by funkyjam on Jan 7, 2012 1:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And when he mans first base:
Sands Bag?
by funkyjam on Jan 7, 2012 1:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
:(
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 1:55 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sausage update
Testers checked out post grind – back chilling before we stuff them. Thai sausage is insane and the hot italian are pretty damn good too
totmato sauce done
about to start browning the boar for the braise
serving roasted brussel sprouts with Pancetta and a creamy marscapone/parm polenta
damn I am fat and happy
sorry i stopped reading at sausage update
early afternoon humor
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
I had lasagna the other day
Made with Italian sausage. Soooooooo gooooooood……….
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 2:06 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I roasted Brussels Sprouts
And then made a vinegarette with fish sauce, chili pepper, sugar, and rice vinegar.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I
Think Eric tasted some Kimchi sausage I bought from my butcher. That is always tasty.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 7, 2012 2:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm sure
It’s been taken care of
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 2:44 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
no idea
I’m sure Nolander will chime in here, but if the Texans’ running/zone blocking scheme is similar to the old Broncos system (Kubiak being the connection there) he is in the Terrell Davis mold. The Broncos used interchangeable parts to fit their system.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
probably a reason
That seems very silly in retrospect
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 2:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
got labeled as having a bad attitude somehow
also had a knee thing and a meh senior year and maybe some fumble questions. If he had come out a year before he might have been a 2nd round pick.
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Marvin Lewis’ horrible challenges of these plays make me wonder what kind of horrible plays baseball managers would challenge if given the opportunity.
so true
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 3:01 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
delivering pizza
To first round pick. Gotta love those stories.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 3:02 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The announcer’s hyperbole was pretty hilarious. At first he just said it was an amazing interception. Then he said it was a play no other DT in the league would make. Then he said not even a wide receiver would have made that catch.
I was waiting for him to say that Watt was the only person who ever lived that would even come close to making that catch.
one of my favorite players
such a hard working awesome dude. HONEY BADGER DON’T GIVE A FUCK
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Fonzi Soriano
would be a good fit with the Rays or Indians
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
or Orioles
But they are balking at even a reduced price it seems
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 3:09 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
/highfive!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 3:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Charles Barkley on the halftime show
Not turrible :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
that pick
Might be the dagger
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 4:16 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
That was awesoke
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 4:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
A good first half, but the Texans made the adjustments they needed to in the 2nd
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put all his numbers at "for a catcher"
He might have a case
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 4:47 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would most def vote for him, I think if Bernie Williams gets elected so will Posada. I don’t think Bernie Williams will get elected though
He’s a tough call..
I think of a guy like Jim Edmonds…and think he’s a no doubt hall of fame CF’er.
Bernie Williams..i dont at all.
Williams
Lofton
Edmonds
Jones
Are all HOFers to me, I think the only one who has a chance is Edmonds
I’d be surprised if Druw doesnt make it, especially if he gets to 500 homers before his career is done. He had 10 GGs.
If the writers think he was on the juice, then he wont make it.
Dont think Lofton or Bernie have much of a chance though.
Not enough power, steals or counting stats from Lofton
Fact that I was a little surprised by
Lofton led the league in steals more times (5) than Tim Raines (4).
Once again
Raines is hurt from being a contemporary to the otherworldlyness that is Rickey Henderson. Vince Coleman for a few years there didn’t help either.
I was a huge fan of Lofton’s when he was on the Indians. I don’t see him as a HoF player though. I’m one of those that believe the HoF should be a lot pickier about who they let in and it should only be the best of the best.
I’m still mad that I was robbed of seeing his 600th career steal in person. I was at AT&T Park for the final weekend in 2006 and Lofton stole third on the final day of the season but he was (wrongfully) called out and stuck (for then) on 599.
I remember that. but at least you got to see Greg maddux steal a bag
by G.Scott on Jan 7, 2012 6:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Probably not. If he is you have to ask if Ted Simmons is a Hall of Famer. Even adjusting for catchers his peak isn’t anything special. I wouldn’t be upset if he made it in but “you have to be better than Jorge Posada” seems like a decent benchmark for Hall of Fame catchers.
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if you look at catchers since 1990...
Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez, and ????
Should the hall of fame have an equal amount of players in for each position?
There should be but there isn’t.
Every catcher better than Jorge Posada is in the Hall but the guys that aren’t far behind him are names like Thurman Munson, Bill Freehan and Jason Kendall. Hell Joe Mauer has almost already caught him in career offensive value.
Posadas bat makes him borderline but he has a reputation as a terrible defensive catcher. Hall of Very Good, not hall of fame.
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who ends up the worse contract: werth, Crawford or mauer?
by G.Scott on Jan 7, 2012 6:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
assume he does, and all that implies
by G.Scott on Jan 7, 2012 6:09 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think giving mauer that contract and not trading him and morneau for prospects was a huge mistake. even before they both got hurt, if you trade johan you should trade those two as well.
by G.Scott on Jan 7, 2012 6:11 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
don’t get me wrong, I understand why they didn’t trade them, but thought then that not trading them didn’t jive with the plan, and I think you should always stick to the plan when it comes to organizational strategy. at least then if it doesn’t work you know you need to change your strategy and not necessarily the personnel.
by G.Scott on Jan 7, 2012 6:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
If you’re just looking at cost and stats then they are all horrible and Mauer will probably be the worst.
The signing of Mauer was an absolute must for the Twins as an organization though. Same could possibly be said for Werth as well since spending big on him is showing other free agents that the Nationals will have no problem spending money to build a good team.
Crawford’s deal made no sense to me to begin with.
Spend 5 seconds and type in Pebble Brook on Google? Not sure where you live but the only Pebble Brook GC I can find is in Indiana, so I’m guessing you mean somewhere else.
Pebble Beach costs about $500 for the round but that price is if you also stay at one of 3 resorts.
Here is an easy link that shows you the cost of all the courses as well as resort room rates.
http://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/pebble-beach-golf-links/current-rates
I think it’s around $395 these days; may be more. Ridiculously expensive. But my wife took me there for my 40th birthday 10 years ago and I got to play Spyglass (the most difficult course I’ve ever played), Pebble, and Poppy Hills (at the time the rotaion for the AT&T tourney).
Like I said, ridiculously expensive, but I’d play there again in a heartbeat. I had a blast.
I’d love to play PB one time but I wouldn’t want to pay for it. I think I’d enjoy playing on the course. I’d enjoy the views and all the history that would be surrounding me. I’d hate what that wind would do to my game though.
a now retired co-worker of mine
and a current one paid to play Pebble. The retiree birdied 17, the famous par 3 that has the bay on three sides, so now he had a story to tell well worth the price he paid.
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by David Young on Jan 7, 2012 5:25 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I par’d #7, the 100 yard par 3 that goes out on the ocean. Other than that I shot about a 200. On the par 5 14th, into the wind I hit Driver 3-wood 3-wood 3-wood 8-iron wedge wdege putt putt putt. It was brutal
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Nicest course I’ve played was the TPC in Scottsdale.
Really cheap in the summer. It cost me $55.
The downside is the temp was about 110.
Greens were like putting on hardwood floors. Really nice joint though.
I think it would be difficult for me to decide what is the best course I’ve played. There were only a few courses in Las Vegas I didn’t get to play (plus any course built within the last 6 years). I almost never paid to play any of them which made them all even better.
Badlands in Vegas was probably my least favorite course. I have always and will always hate when I have to play “target golf”. Screw having to constantly hit the balls over canyons and only having average sized landing areas. That plus the wind always blows harder in that part of the valley.
I think I have been on that course, but didn’t play. Kelly will have to confirm, but I believe on one of our mini-family reunion trips we went to that course one of the days in Scottsdale. I rode along in the cart and made fun of everyone, and drank beer.
I liked NO giving the points
Didn’t bet, but I will be curious if they cover or not.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
now
Is Aybar next?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 5:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
4/$33.5 is being reported
if so, that is a steal for a guy going to make $5.5M in his last year of arb. Dude is arguably a 4 WAR 2B in peak year. Should fire his agent and or Angels GM should get a happy ending.
you met him?
My cousin lives behind his parents house. He’s got a super lame story about not letting jered use his skate ramp, lol.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I have no doubt he will put up above average numbers
but didn’t he get a lot of his defensive value last year from playing LF?
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if i'm reading fangraphs right the short answer is no
the long answer is definitily not.
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Right
more likely penalized offensively (oWAR) for playing so many innings in LF. LF has a higher standard for hitting than 2B. Still maybe not a lot but enough so that ivdown’s statement should’ve actuallyy read that his fWAR numbers got hurt by playing LF, both on defense and offense.
You are correct sir!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 6:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
lol
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 7:28 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Amir Carlisle is transferring from USC to ND. I don’t know much about him outside of what I just quickly glanced at on Rivals. Eric or any other USC fan have any knowledge about how good he is or how good he is projected to be?
Really fast, but also undersized. Actually surprised he transferred since USC is pretty thin at RB.
In other news, Carlisle can go fuck himself. Only thing worse is for a Dodger to willingly play for the Giants.
Saints have yet to punt in this game.
Cant remember the last game, let alone playoff game, where a team went the entire game without punting.
and that
Could be the dagger
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 7, 2012 7:49 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Dont think the 49ers can beat the Saints.
I think Saints will be a 5 points favorite even being the road team.
not to shit on anyone’s team, because I myself have no favorite team, but if I were a betting man, I would bet against the 49ers in every game they play this postseason
Saints are playing amazing offensive football…
They dont even run out the clock…still chucking it deep.
My Titans almost beat the Saints in TN. Saints out in the elements on grass are a completely different team than they are in the dome.
right
and if it’s windy in Candlestick? Give me the running and defensive-minded team every time.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
my head
feels like a bunch of drunken dwarves are playing 9-pin inside my skull. I have a game later today, nothing better than to be hungover with a game in front of you, nothing makes me feel more like a baseball player
entertaining football yesterday – I was really hoping the Lions game was closer
25 pounds of sausage, is a lot of sausage, sometime during the day we ran out of natural casings (damn butcher lied to my buddy) and had to resort to patty forming. Equally as tasty but not as fun.
For dinner last night, I slow braised the boar for 6 hours in a red wine and tomato based sauce. Had a heaping teaspoon of red pepper flakes in that sucker, so hot and tasty. Served it over Polenta, in which I whisked in some marscapone and parmesan. It was devoured happily by all.
I am staying at a friends house, and my room has one of those doors which opens to a mini-balcony which is too small to stand on, you can more just set a flower pot out there. First night, in the middle of the night, I am stumbling trying to find the loo, I open that door and am about to a take a step out when I get hit with a bracing breeze of cold air and hear my wife yelling “Don’t go out there, that’s not the bathroom”. That door was 25 feet off the ground
good times, good eats, a trunk full of grinded meats
GO STEELERS
You should have told your wife “I’m a male; the world is my outhouse” and let ’er rip from 25 feet up. If it was windy, it would probably dissipate before it hit the ground anyway.
good line
that would have been great, except when I came back in soaking wet from the golden shower
that and avoiding doing a head plant into the hedgerow
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 8, 2012 5:51 AM PST up reply actions
Did you tell your friend, “if there’s a bustle in your hedgerow, don’t be alarmed now”?
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So is our brother going to be all happy tonight or will he be Tebow’d?
by KellyStephen on Jan 8, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I think Pittsburgh will take care of business, but man that would be funny.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 8, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Of course Owen Daniels might have a broken right hand
of course. Oh well, if any team has depth at a position, its the Texans at TE.
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Hope this next game is better than that.
Can’t stand the Tebow mania, but it would be sweet to see the Steelers lose. I’m so sick of them.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Yeah, i'm tuning in just to see what this is all about
The broncos are a team i’m okay with rooting for, and the steelers aren’t, so that’s what i’m going for here.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 8, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
some good first halfs
but the 2nd halfs have all been one sided affairs
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well when he is throwing like that yeah
he really needs to find a way to throw that way more often. Maybe the secret is having all day to throw
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I never knew how much O lines mattered until i played IM flag football
As a quarterback, i never got rushed in the reg. season, so it was easy to complete passes, but then in the playoffs we faced this team that rushed with 3-4 people every time and i literally had enough time to put my hand on the laces once before having to throw it ONCE out of the 10 or so plays i quarterbacked, our line never learned how to block, it was horrible. Sometimes i had to throw it like a baseball just to get it away in time
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 8, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
and millers hand thingy
I mean this is a defense that was as bad as the texans was last year. Fox deserves props for what he has done this for, but its not crazy to think the D just isn’t going to be able to keep it up.
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it sucks for the defense
when you can go empty backfield and still run as if there was a running back back there
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Man throws ball in straight line, considered “much better”
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I did, I’m largely piecing this game together through Twitter.
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he dropped two of them in
and put a real good zip on the other one.
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So we are congratulating him on throwing the ball straight three times.
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I don't think you know what dropping the ball in means
I’m talking about dropping them in over the guys shoulder downfield. They where 3 really good passes, I’m not sure what else he is supposed to do, throw it a mile in the air instead?
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No that’s fine, just enjoy that Tebow doing his job and throwing the ball accurately is a huge improvement.
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so was the 3rd one
probably didn’t matter on that 3rd one though
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so new plan
only letting tebow throw 30+ yards, if you get in the red zone run.
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new plan
Broncos install single wing offense, trade a deep threat receiver to draft Trent Richardson, win 5 Super Bowls running Student Body Right and Student Body Left
They also can’t trade a player and draft another before the game is over.
Think you might have missed what she was getting at.
I’d just go with the Rex Grossman “fuck it, I’m goin deep” offense.
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Dad was a flag football coach, so my speciality is plays that were relevant 60 years ago
by Josie Becker on Jan 8, 2012 3:37 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ground Control
To Major Tom
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Take your protein pills
and put your helmet on
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Jan 8, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
commencing countdown
Engines on
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 8, 2012 3:41 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
HJ
Is gonna be a crabby fellow if this game doesn’t start changing
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 8, 2012 3:36 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
2nd half Vegas numbers
@ViewFromVegasDave Tuley
More ViewFromVegas of Broncos’ 20-6 lead…2nd-half line Steelers -7 -120 (adjusted Broncos -7 for game), o/u 19.5 (adjusted total 45.5)
Quite a game
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 8, 2012 4:45 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Wow
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 8, 2012 5:07 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I wonder how many of those passing yards are after the catch. Tebow had a good game and all, but his two longest passes had weren’t really that deep of passes. A lot of the yards were gained by the receiver (Thomas both times?).
This game never should have gotten this far though. The blown call on the lateral was bad.
On the 3 long passes to Thomas of 51, 58, and 80 yards Thomas gained 10, 26, and 62 yards on his own after the catch. That’s 98 yards out of 189 yards.
I’m not saying Tebow played bad or anything. He had a good game. I’m just giving the receivers credit for making plays after catching the ball.
He doesn't do that if those passes where not thrown as well
you could probably do the same thing to brees or rodgers in a bunch of games. Take away the 62 yards and he still has 250 yards passing.
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Did you watch the game?
I did. He made some great mid to long range passes. He played great. Now on to the New England mauling.
flabbergasted!
Tebow gets so much crap I have no choice but to root for him…0 turnovers from Tebow is the key (and a straight arm by Thomas). btw…Go Dodgers!
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
Yes pity poor tebow he receives not nearly enough praise.
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Is Tebow literally Jesus reborn, or does his power merely flow through him. Tim Cowlishaw your thoughts
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He’s a good QB and a great person.
The liberals and atheists dislike him because of his political and religious beliefs.
But if you just take away that and discuss his football only..his career at Florida is unmatched and he’s had a pretty good start to his NFL career.
People saying that he cant QB a team at the NFL level dont understand football or are holding grudges against him for non-football reasons.
by Joey Joe on Jan 8, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
people trying to say he is a good QB or a bad QB 12-14 games into his career
when he has played wildly inconsistently are getting way ahead of themselves.
Most of my friends are liberal atheists and they are simply sick of hearing about him on ESPN/fox/cbs/any announcer on the planets mouth. Its really that simple. You act like no non liberal non atheists are sick of hearing about him, and thats flat out not true.
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FWIW
Whether or not I agree with his religious/political beliefs has nothing to do with his ability to play football.
Since I don’t have TV, I can’t tell you if he’s any good and also I don’t care about football get off my lawn.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
You’ve gone and lost it.
A lot of people root against him because they simply don’t think he’s any good or it’s backlash against all the praise he has received.
Others don’t like him nor do they dislike him. They just like to speak up against people who say stuff like “He’s a good QB”.
He may turn into a good QB one day. He isn’t one yet.
its popular now to try to pretend that a group of people that make up 76 percent of the countries population
are persectured. Its silly to me, but w/e
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i'm a stats guy
This reminds me when people would say that Choi sucks because they think he has a slow swing…nevermind that it didnt mesh with the numbers he actually put up which didnt suck at all. Or they say Adam Dunn sucks because he strikes out too much.
Similar to citing one stat (completion %) and saying that Tebow sucks – a stat that in football really isnt very important at all..at least not compared to yards per attempt, TDs to INTs, turnover per touch. To me, just like strikeouts dont matter at all…completion % while it matters some isnt that important and there’s other factors involved there anyway (such as drops and the types of passes being thrown).
QB takes awhile to become great at. Not many QBs from their first or 2nd year in the league immediately play All Pro football.
Tim Tebow’s started now 15 games in the NFL. So he’s played almost one season so far. He’s already putting up about a league average passer rating, but he also the 2nd best running QB in the NFL (i still put Cam Newton first).
He’s not a great QB right now – because great QBs are Brees, Rodgers, Brady. But that next echelon of good QBs – i dont know how you leave Tebow out of that discussion when he has the stats to back it up. 15Tds/6Ints, leading all QBs in rushing yards, team is 2 games from the Super Bowl.
What more do you want to see?
I’m sure Tebow wouldnt be getting the hype he does (from some people) if he hadnt had the success he did at Florida. But he did. And while NFL and college are different levels, you cant discount that and pretend that Tebow has no prior history of success. He has had loads of success everywhere.. If Tebow wasnt a good QB, if he couldnt pass the ball (which if you think about is one of the dumbest arguments ever put forth- he’s a pro football QB..of course he can pass) – Florida would have never started him for 4 years because they can recruit a 5 star QB every year. Cam Newton transferred bc he couldnt beat him out (along with him stealing laptops too but thats another story.)
If you have a dual threat guy, that makes good decisions (very low INT rate), and can throw the deep ball pretty well…I dont see why people say he isnt a good QB. Thats a very impressive skill set to start your career with. He makes the guys around him play better. There is an intangible effect there because football is an effort game.
Before Tim Tebow took over as starter permanently, the Broncos had gone 7-24. They put him in at starter, and the overall team starts to play way better – and this Steelers game was all Tebow (now 8-4 as starter this year)
Broncos really arent a good team overall. Their defense was 20th in the league, 24th in scoring defense, and 27th in turnovers forced. The offense traded away their best WR in Brandon Lloyd, so there’s not alot of talent there either. Yet, the QB as the leader of the team has them 2 games away from the Super Bowl.
So when someone says “Tebow isnt a good QB, or Tebow sucks”…those that follow football closely are left trying to come up with a rationale for it because football reasons alone it doesnt make sense at all to say that. Watch the games. Look at the stats that really matter. Look at his age and experience level relative to expectations.
Either the Tebow haters dont like him personally, or just dont want to admit their scouting eyes were wrong.
I’ll be the first to say when he plays poorly or needs to play better. I said it the last 2 weeks. But when he plays a lights out football game against a top notch defense, dont tell me he’s not good. If you werent a “good” QB, you wouldnt be able to make the plays he did vs that defense in a playoff game.
Or, if you’re one of these types of football fans that only believe Brees, Brady, Rodgers are good…and that every other QB in the league sucks…well sorry…thats a tough standard.
There’s 32 starting QBs in the league. A “good” starting QB IMO would be in the top 8 QBs in the league. I’d put Tebow there.
by Joey Joe on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
at the top of your essay you say conflicting things. you say you’re a stats guy but then use your own personal opinion (a scouting report isn’t much more than that) to say although he led the league in yards, he’s not the best.
second, when they say he can’t pass they aren’t saying he can’t pass at all, they’re saying he’s going to have trouble making elite NFL passes until he improves, which is true. they game plan around what their players can and can’t do, and he’s included in that. from all accounts he had a good game last night, but if PIT was stacking the box that often to force him to pass, he probably was throwing into zone or man coverage a lot which should allow him to be less accurate and rely on his receivers to make plays for him. whether or not that’s what happened, I don’t know, but I think professionals who watch and have been around exponentially more football than any of us would care to watch should be listened to, even if they are disagreed with.
by G.Scott on Jan 9, 2012 7:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
If he is forcing 8 in the box because of his ability to run
and getting easier throws because of it, that doesn’t detract from his accomplishments
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I would not put him in the top 8
not yet, and maybe never. The reality is that QB play drops off insanely after say the top 8 or 10 guys though. But really , what everyone seems to be forgetting is we are still in SSS territory. Tim Tebow has basically Loney’d his first shot at the job. Will he loney the next 3 years?
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His TD to INT rate really isn't that great anymore either
after his last 3 games. SSS. He is young, and he may get better, he may not, teams may figure out how to stop him.
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Is going to be resorting to Tebow fanfiction at this rate
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 8, 2012 5:20 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
OPUT
It seems there was a new post several hours ago.
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