Who will be the next owner of Dodgers - A glance at Torre/Caruso
by bhsportsguy on Jan 8, 2012 5:55 AM PST
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Real Estate developers are not new as owners of Los Angeles sports franchises. Both local NBA teams were purchased by men who made their fortunes in developing property. And, while Frank McCourt may not had actually ever developed anything, real estate was his vehicle to at least prop up his net value.
Ironically, one of the things that never came to pass with McCourt ownership was the development of property around Dodger Stadium, even though many thought that was one a key reason why McCourt wanted to buy the club back in 2004.
In a few weeks, we should learn who the serious players are in this game of Who Will Be the Next Owner of the Dodgers. I am fairly sure that the one of them will be a group headlined by former Dodger manager Joe Torre and shopping mall developer Rick Caruso.
Both Torre and Caruso have name recognition in Los Angeles. Torre, who would be in line as perhaps Dodger president, does bring many years of experience and while his managing skills were often debated, he is certainly both well liked and respected by baseball and media people both throughout the country and here in Los Angeles.
Rick Caruso was born and raised in Los Angeles, earned his bachelors at USC and his law degree from Pepperdine. His company's signature property is The Grove and Caruso's net worth has been estimated from 800M to 1.2 Billion. It is probably safe to say that most of that is tied into his company and real property holdings and not easily converted into liquid capital.
Bill Shaikin reported that Torre and Caruso would be working with investment banker Byron Trott. Trott's presence certainly confirms that if Torre and Caruso are involved, the deal will either be heavily financed or that multiple partners will be included.
The fact that the next buyer will have to borrow money to buy the Dodgers should not be surprising or even unexpected. Few people have hundreds of millions available in cash and one could even argue that with interest rates so low, if you can get the financing, why not borrow the money.
The next owner will have to be able to show both MLB and Dodger fans that they have money available to both improve the team on the field, player development for the system and the fan's experience at Dodger Stadium. Of course, all Frank McCourt will want to know is will that owner be able to pay him the amount he wants for the team.
The next few months will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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from Olney this morning
Yet another bidder for the Los Angeles Dodgers has emerged, courtesy of Bill Shaikin. From Bill’s story:
With a star-studded and deep-pocketed roster of bidders that could feature the likes of Magic Johnson, Joe Torre, Mark Cuban and Peter O’Malley, outgoing owner Frank McCourt appears to believe the Dodgers can sell for at least $1.6 billion.
You wonder if the number is going to be close to $2 billion, or more, through the competition. There are not paper tigers in these groups; they are billionaires who expect to win and who are accustomed to winning.
And all of this bodes well for Dodgers fans, because nobody is going to spend that kind of money to acquire this franchise and then let it rot with a modest payroll of $90 million (like the 2011 Dodgers).
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I just want to spend the money wisely, don’t care if it is a $180 million payroll (which is the definition of unwise, usually) or $120 million.
BUT I don’t see how such deep pockets can go big on a flagship franchise, in LA, with all the attention and scrutiny after McCourt (with the new owners wanting to be heroes/saviors) and not spend more on players, at least in the 130 mil range. This isn’t Glass or Polhad counting beans in Midwestern small markets.
But I’m curious who out there believes the new owner can have a “tight” budget under these circumstances, with the local and national press and fans carrying these expectations? And with Arte Moreno in the same market with Albert upping the ante. I’d like to hear how the new group can hope to impress with a $90 mil payroll for current players.
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if
The Dodgers sell for 800M, okay then I can see the new owners not being saddled with impossible debt. But if the team sells for $1.2 Billion, I just can’t see how ownership carries such debt and also spends such a large payroll while still making money.
by bhsportsguy on Jan 8, 2012 10:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think a lot of money is going into the organization at all levels, including the stadium. I’d be really surprised if that doesn’t become manifest in a “large market” payroll.
I realize I’m a fan with hopes, but if these power brokers can’t make money with an appropriate payroll in LA, then they don’t deserve the team and I don’t think MLB would want them to have it.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 8, 2012 11:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
you could probably make the argument that whoever purchases the Dodgers is already imprudently spending their money when you take into account the debt they will be assuming and the purchase price. I think I just want someone who, frankly isn’t afraid to throw money around.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
My mistake, i more meant the owner would probably not be able to be profitable for a while given the over-paying they’d have to do for the purchase, horribly worded on my part.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
financing
it could be financed, but the fact that there is a chance for a Dodgers cable channel, that could push the bidding up even more. It will certainly be interesting to see what the final price is and if the winning bid is actually the highest bid.
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I actually like the Torre bid best by far, because he’s been with the Dodgers before, has money with Caruso, an apparently good banker, and cares about the team. Not saying that none of the others do but this I believe is the best bidder so far.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 8, 2012 3:55 PM PST reply actions
Also
He actually quit his position with MLB to try and buy the Dodgers. That means he’s going try large for them.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Jan 8, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
How much money does Joe Torre have? He cant have made that much managing nor being a player/announcer.
Is it Caruso’s money and Torre’s name?
Pretty much
Torre only has a few million, not quite 8 figures, i think.
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by Taylor Maricle on Jan 8, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
The only
Name with money is Magic Johnson (whom I could see buying a very small pct. of the team). All the rest, Garvey/Hershiser, Larry King, Fred Claire and probably even Peter O’Malley don’t have the money necessary to be a major investor.
I’ve yet to see his hat get thrown into the ring
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With the numbers people are throwing out there though I don’t think he’ll view the Dodgers as a sound business decision which is something he said he will take into consideration.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
He actually hasn't made his nest egg through baseball
His real money comes from Bigelow tea royalties
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Lol, Frank McCourt would have sold the Dodgers to Fox recently for 2 Billion (Fox would have sealed the telecast rights and then turnaround and sell them to somebody else), Fox countered with 1.2 Billion I believe and neither side was interested in meeting in the middle, so my elongated answer would be yes, I believe if someone was willing to throw 2 Billion his way.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Seems this will be the only “featured fanpost” regarding new ownership. Not only is Eric not interested in writing about prospective owners, neither are the readers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It
Was hard to find out much information on their qualifications. I did look into Stanley Gold/Disney owner group but again there is just not a lot out there.
I did find out that there are no potential owners mentioned thus far that have made enough money from other businesses that they would not be running the team as their main business
I think it is interesting, I just don’t know how you find enough information on these guys to make a good fanpost. I wouldn’t mind writing one up if I can get enough material. We’ll see.
I agree
I’ve heard Ramona Shellburne argue that the true “next owner” of the Dodgers probably hasn’t even been mentioned by the media. Her argument being that some so ridiculously rich isn’t simply throwing his name out there just for fun to be relevant in L.A. for about a month, but instead staying under the radar and will let their money do the cajoling. I tend to agree with her.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
The ownership situation isn't truly interesting to me
I mean we all have a stake in who buys the team, but i’m more interested in the team.
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I could see Caruso/Torre hiring Pat Gillick, who sounds interested.
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Caruso teaming up?
Wonder if Caruso would consider teaming up with Gilbert. While Caruso has money, given the Dodger debt, even with loans-we want to see someone who has the capital to handle both the debt and then the need to rebuild the team.
Well written
but I am so bad at analyzing money things that I don’t feel comfortable commenting in depth on this, at all…except to say, well done. :)
This is why when G goes off on business tangents I am usually reduced to going “Ahh, I see” and nodding like I understand.
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Strange Sunday La Times:
1. No mention of the Clipper/Buck game because it did not finish before deadline
2. TJ Simer did a story on DeAndre Jordan that was pleasant
3. Bill Plashcke did a story on Josh McRoberts, about how he was already an indispensable player for the Lakers. The story continued from page one to the inside. I finished reading the McRoberts story impressed with how he has quickly jelled with the Lakers. Then I noticed the Laker Notes next to the Plashke story. McRoberts has been hurt and has missed four of the league leading 10 games the Lakers have played. When he does play he’s averaging 23 minutes a game. Almost seems like Plashke wrote this story before the season even started.
So I checked my Sunday Daily News. They had no problem having a front page story about the Clipper / Buck game. Every baseball game I know lasts three hours and starts on Saturday Night at 07:00. Has to be a rare occurrence when a Saturday Night baseball game is over before a Saturday Night basketball game, yet I can never remember a time when the game was not covered in the Morning Sunday paper. Just seemed strange that the Daily News could find a way to get the game onto the front page, and the LA Times could not get it at all.
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Tebow looks like a NFL quarterback to me.
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Id like to see Fox show some more trust in him and let him throw more, he had fewer attempts than Big Ben had completions. Tebow really impressed with his deep passes.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Throwing 21 times is pretty reasonable
he also ran the ball 10 times and I’m sure some of those where times where he chose to keep the ball instead of throw it. Making tebow through it 40 times a game is exactly what they shouldn’t do.
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some would argue that having tebow as your starting qb is exactly what “they shouldn’t do”. I like your point however on him running the ball taking away from some pass attempts, although I think i remember most of those runs being scripted. I’d still like to see more throws especially with the eight/nine man fronts, i will agree to disagree.
They only ran about 50 plays
For the most part their offense was balanced, I don’t see how that is a bad thing.
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Maybe some people could also admit he’s pretty damn deadly in short yardage [near the end zone] situations.
I was actually annoyed with the red zone playcalling
after his first rushing TD, they kept having him throw instead of running in the red zone.
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He is young
he is inconsistent. What bothers me is that most of his detractors have a hard time admitting he could continue to get better. Its his 2nd year for crying out loud, there is still room to grow.
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This morning, MLB Radio was asking who the Tim Tebow of baseball was. People said Dustin Pedroia, David Eckstein, Adam Dunn, Mike Piazza and #2. I’ve gotta assume someone threw in Josh Hamilton but I didn’t hear it.
My suggestion — James Loney. Massive prep success; questions about ability to translate success to the top level; talk of a position change; periods of almost-legendary suckitude intermixed with brilliance. I just wonder if the crummy version of Tebow is called Timothy by the Broncos SBN page.
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Some would argue that Tim Tebow is really, really good at football.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’ll go on a quick Tebow rant and still add a tie in so that it remains semi-Dodger related (I’m on lunch break at work)
I don’t think Tebow is really, really, good at football.
He was incredible in college although I always thought his throwing mechanics were more than suspect. Most people think he couldn’t translate to pro success and I was on the fence whether he would or not. I’m a big Tebow fan….mainly because I grew up a Gator fan. I would like to compare Tebow to Piazza, and since somebody mentioned Piazza above you’ll just have to take my word that I’ve been thinking about this dating back to Tebow’s college days.
There are some players whom scouts can never put a thumb on and say, “this guy is gonna be great”. Piazza is that type of player. He had that X-factor. There isn’t anyone who can say I called it from the jump about Piazza, and while Tebow was already uber famous prior to getting drafted there wasn’t anyone who came out and predicted he’d have the success he’s had. Tebow has that same X-factor that Piazza had. Even after the year he’s had I’m still not prepared to predict he’ll ever reach elite QB, I don’t think he will b/c of mechanics. With that being said, I’d never bet against an X-factor type player from defying logic…..and the critics.
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Maybe Hunter Pence is the closest thing to Tebow?
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by Pure Azure on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Excellent runners but not elite when it comes to the more basic job descrpition. Exciting players, contributions easy to see by fans. Get a bit more credit than they deserve (Roberts get’s tons of credit for the Red Sox WS win because of the stolen base.)
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I always thought he never got credit for his efforts….much in the way Pierre didn’t until Ned threw that contract at him
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I remember him being a pretty big fan-favorite in LA. I know I was a bit surprised/shocked/angered when the Dodgers just gave him to the Red Sox for nothing.
Of course, Pierre was a pretty big fan-favorite for a while as well and I don’t think that died (amongst the casual fans) as a result of the contract, rather it was once it was plain for everybody to see that Ethier and Kemp were superior players who needed PT.
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Well said, and I completely agree. Roberts/Pierre were definite fan favorites, contract or not (Pierre). Nationally though I don’t think either were ever thought of as kick ass players. I think Luis Castillo falls into this category as well, even though he did end up falling off.
I think it boils down to the fact that speed is not sexy, and chicks dig the long ball.
With that being said, I hope Dee proves to be the exception and not the rule and becomes sexiest MOFO SS in baseball. ……….. No homo
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It would seem that if want comparison you would need a player who:
1. Excelled in the 9th inning in very close games.
2. Was bad to middling in blow out games
3. A cerebral player who set up opponents for his 9th inning onslaught by taking that strike over the plate in 4th, but hitting it for a home run in the 9th.
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Tim Tebow = Juan Pierre circa 2008-2009
Both had a particular skill set that they were good at. Both skill sets were not ideal for their position. Both were thrust into a scrutinized position, constantly looking over their shoulders for replacements. While both surprisingly excelled, everyone was always searching and hoping for a proper replacement.
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by bhsportsguy on Jan 9, 2012 9:10 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Torre is decidedly old school, and might not be as open to new ideas as I’d like. I don’t consider it at all a coincidence that Matt Kemp broke out as soon as Torre and his staff left,
Can’t say I agree with this at all. Kemp broke out in 2009, just built on it in 2011.
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Right
and I would say Kemp had much more of a problem with Schaefer and Bowa than he did Torre (yes they were part of the staff, but still).
I do however agree this his final assessment.
At this early stage, I think the Magic Johnson/Stan Kasten and Dennis Gilbert groups appeal to me the most, since they have the right combination of local passion and baseball experience – i
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I agree that Schaefer & Bowa were the worst...
..but I was mostly thinking of the whole “I’m going to bench Kemp for three days and might have sat him forever if he didn’t finally come talk to me” incident.
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by Mike Petriello on Jan 9, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Both sides needed to grow up that week, but the fact remains that Kemp played 162 games under Torre in 2010.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Appears the Bronco’s covered the spread
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Pedro Guerrero?
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I wonder
if the refs in the NFL are given public speaking lessons. Yesterday, explaining the new overtime rule, the ref sounded as if he was trying to recall it from memory, from a rumour he heard months ago.
Usually ref’s “public speaking” consists of “[penalty name] on [number] of the [offense/defense], [amount of yards] [what down is to be played next]” all while the crowd is either cheering or booing so they can’t really be heard anyway.
Along with public speaking lessons
They could also get some lessons on not blowing their whistle too early, they completely changed the momentum in the Lions/Saints game and almost cost the Broncos yesterday with the Big Ben to Mike Wallace pass, or maybe the NFL can change the rules on those type of plays being reviewable when the defensive team would have so clearly recovered the ball.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
saw that
thought he did a pretty good job. It’s not like he can add much narrative to explaining the rule. What irked me was how long it took the broadcasters to explain what the OT rule was.
If you lead with “Each team is entitled to the opportunity to possess the ball” then don’t be surprised when many fans are confused as to why the game ended with the Broncos touchdown (which there were many on twitter who were confused)
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
oh absolutely, the ref did explain the exceptions, but it would have been clearer if he’d started with what is specifically different about the new rule “A field goal on the opening drive cannot win the game” instead of stating a generality
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
they should have listened to the broadcast then
after they scored the announcers explained it right away
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The three words after your quote
were “with two exceptions” which he went on to explain.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
right, but it was still sudden death overtime. His opening statement was the exception….
I’m not going to win this argument
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
He explained the full playoff overtime rules to everyone that was willing to listen.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
If you ran an apple cart, that I owned
and I came up to you and said “we’re gonna start selling pears, except on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday”
would you agree it would have been clearer had I said “We’re gonna start selling pears on Tuesday and Thursday?”
Now imagine if instead of one to one, this was a memo to 30 million people
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
No because then I would want to know what happened to saturday and sunday
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you can’t sell fruit on the weekend, Federal law
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
if people where too stupid to understand the rules as explained
then too bad. At some point having to assume everyone is as dumb as a rock gets old and tiresome.
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by nolander on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
too bad is not how things being nationally broadcast work
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Football did not vault to the number one sport in America by confusing people. At the same time, football loves controversy. Having stuff for people to talk about on Mondays makes the commissioner happy.
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The new part of the NFL playoff overtime rule is the opportunity that both teams can possess the ball. The ref mentioned that first, and then very clearly explained the two instances in which two teams couldn’t possess the ball.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is not sudden death overtime if the team with the ball first had kicked a field goal on their first possession.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
right, which is
a new part, it’s an addendum, a caveat. Saying, to an audience of which the majority don’t have their finger on the pulse of the sports world, that there’s a new rule where both teams possess the ball is not the same as saying there’s a tweak to the existing sudden death overtime rule.
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Again, the ref very clearly explained the new overtime rules to everyone willing to listen.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
and then the rules where AGAIN explained by the announcers
after the TD was scored.
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not contending the message didn’t get across, only contending that the initial ref trying to explain chose his words….poorly
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn't involve video games, movies, or food
So i’m not so sure, lol.
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by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
what’s third [word in the English language]? got it. What a prick joke.
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
“In the playoffs, the NFL has added a change to the sudden death overtime rule. All the rules are the same, except the receiving team cannot win with a field goal on their opening drive. A field goal will result in the other team getting possession with a chance to tie or win the game. Otherwise, the rules are the same.”
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Since you seem to think most listeners are dumb
same as what?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
my only marketable skill is editing and helping people get their words out clearly. If I’ve failed at that I should just hop in the nunnery
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
as sudden death overtime, a phrase that appeared in my opening sentence. (looking down at Phil too) The ref shouldn’t have to explain a rule that’s stood for the history of the modern NFL, and referencing the rule people are familiar with keeps them from freaking out thinking this is a whole different game.
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
So you would rather have the ref assume, instead of fully explain the possibilities of the game in question in detail, which he did?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I would rather the ref acknowledge he’s speaking to an audience of Sunday football fans who’ve sat through six hours of football and several beers, and that he’d be better off speaking from a point of familiarity than removed
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
The NFL is always trying to win new fans
they know that hardcore fans get it, they aren’t worried about us and haven’t been for years. If you doubt it, tune in for the super bowl
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Look, this is the tweet from the Broncos beat writer from the Denver Post
PostBroncos: Long PA explanation here about the OT rules. Both teams get a possession.
People. were. confused.
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Papers that employ Woody Paige are unlikely to inform people of anything.
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we are now discussion your choice of verbage josie
not the refs
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Isnt it
A field goal doesnt end it, the other team gets a shot if there’s a field goal, but if there’s a td it’s over?
Bob Costas was trying to explain it to me.
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the majority of possible endings are still sudden death. The ONLY change is that a field goal on the opening drive can’t end it
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Hockily is the best
when it comes to actually telling you what went down and why what was called was called. Most refs just seem to want to get through it
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Hiroki Kuroda has informed the Hiroshima Carp he intends to pitch in the Major Leagues again in 2012, according to the Jiji Press and other Japanese outlets, as translated by Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker. Newman adds that “Masatoshi Kimura of the Chugoku Shimbun reports that Kuroda is expected to decide on a destination within the next couple of days.”
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makes you wonder if Kuroda’s agent said he wasn’t interested in re-signing after the season ended…?
not sure what would have changed from the trade deadline until then but who knows.. either way it kinda sucks.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Jan 9, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
The only thing I can come up with is that:
1. He would not defer any part of the contract so that made him ineligible
2. He simply believes the 2012 team is not a contender and wants to pitch for a contender
I’m guessing 1
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I could see it being a combination of #2 and the fact that he just didn’t want to be on a team that might be shopping him at the deadline again.
Seemed like that was pretty stressful for him.
I hate to bring up the same points that I have been bringing up since Kuroda declined to waive his no-trade clause, but:
None of us has any idea why Kuroda refused to be traded.
None of us has any idea whether the Dodgers or Kuroda intended to make a new deal back in August and it just hasn’t worked out.
None of us has any idea whether the Dodgers want Kuroda back.
None of us has any idea whether Kuroda wants to come back to the Dodgers.
All we know is that a guy bargained for, and received, a no-trade clause. He refused to waive that clause. His contract expired, and now, he will sign a new contract with another team. All else is speculation.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 9, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I rec’d it
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Jan 9, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry about the tone of my comment. It just drives me crazy when people say they don’t understand why Kuroda refused to waive his clause or somehow imply that he should have waived it.
I know we see players waive their no-trades all the time so we kinda expect that to happen once teams get pregnant with potential trades. But still, it’s Kuroda’s clause, his to do with as he sees fit. He can invoke that clause for any reason he likes.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 9, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I figured Kuroda was sleeping with one of the Japanese journalists who expressed their desire to him that they would like to remain in Los Angeles until the end of the year.
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Now THAT is the kind of speculation I expect and love. Continue! Perhaps, knowing that Los Angeles has the best plastic surgeons in the world, he had already set up his paramour with an appointment for some, er, modifications, and did not want to be away on the mid-August date of her scheduled surgery?
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 9, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I’m scheduling the press conference right now!
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
It just drives me crazy when people say they don’t understand why Kuroda refused to waive his clause or somehow imply that he should have waived it.
No one said anything like this in this thread.
And nobody said that somebody said anything like this in this thread.
is going to be the response. 5.. 4 … 3… 2… 1….
I don't understand why Kuroda didn't waive his clause
and in fact think he is a terrible human for not having done so and should rot in hell because baseball players only live for my amusement.
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Mark Teahen was released by the Blue Jays, so they have to pay him his 5.5 contract. I would not mind seeing him get an invite.
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Decide not to go to winter development program at Dodger Stadium today because I had an 11am meeting at work.
Came into work today to find out that meeting is now on Wednesday. Fuck that noise.
Blake Griffin is the first Clipper to score 20 or more in the season’s first six games since World B. Free in 1979-80. Free did it the first nine games of the season.
He’s made it look rather perfunctory in the process, I haven’t thought “wow what a great game by him” after any game really, then I look at the box score and he’s put up good numbers, solid team those Clips.
by gdl on Jan 9, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
by the BlueJays of all people.
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Scott Elbert is thinking, “man I can suck for 10 of 20 years but still be making millions by the time I’m 40, thank god they moved me to the bullpen”
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I’m friends with him and he seemed pretty excited about the starter/reliever conversion, because he felt it meshed better with his mental approach. This was back when he was quite erratic with his location, and prior to his temporary leave from the team. He went into detail explaining the thrill he got from being overpowering and felt with being a closer one day he could go all out as opposed to starting and having to be mindful of “reserving the tank”. Penny of all people was the most instrumental in helping him from the major league squad…..at least at that time. Early 2008.
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by VeroJoe on Jan 9, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Elbert’s a good Tebow comp. It’s not so much that I always believed in him; it’s more that I can’t believe how quick people were to write him off.
Tebow was written off because people didn’t think he had the skills/ability to play quarterback in the NFL. Nobody doubted Elbert’s skills/ability to pitch in MLB (he was a top prospect.)
I would say somebody like Kyle Russell is closer to how some people viewed Tebow.
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
So someone who was great in college but doubted coming into the draft
like Lincecum
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Lincecum was still a top-10 pick, and baseball drafts run much deeper. I’d think someone more like a Paul LoDuca, who was the Pac-10 PotY and still dropped to like the 10th round.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
"deeper"
After the first, say, 15 picks in MLB it becomes much more of a crapshoot no? NFL teams expect to get guys who can contribute immediately all the way to the 3rd round of the draft.
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He left the team, he wasn’t being written off because of his physical abilities but his mental ones. As we noted at the time, not many successful comps for a guy who quits his team in AAA and then comes back and is successful.
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helps
that he’s pretty good at his job
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 9:58 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Has anyone heard that interview on Mason and Ireland with some young Italian mining guy who wants to buy the team? That interview was weird…
You’ll never see a cool quilt back away…
What the heck was the guy’s name? Joey Macchiato (italian sp)?
You’ll never see a cool quilt back away…
Joshua Macciello, don’t get your hopes up, the guys is most likely going for his 15 min of fame and espn radio bought into it for some reason.
I don’t think Trontron is long for this world, but I think Elbert stays and if Hawks doesn’t totally mess up ST, he stays too.
AJ will be so sad if Ellis leaves.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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In the great history of LA Dodger catching, I’m going to have to think real hard before I find a team who had lower expectations then our 2012 battery.
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I had hopes for Phillips since he was a year removed from hitting .298/.373/.442 and he was not Kaz Ishii.
I’ve learned from that mistake.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t realize that Ellis was out of options, that changes my mind.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I feel weird that until late last night I completely forgot that LSU vs. Alabama was tonight. I like LSU more than Alabama, but I kind of want Alabama to win a super close game just to see how creative some AP voters get.
I plan to completely not watch this travesty of a mockery
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by nolander on Jan 9, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I care not at all about this game.
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I feel comfortable saying the ratings will be fantastic
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Right, geographically, we here are the opposite of the target audience (the only thing that makes us the target audience in general is that we’re hardcore sports fans.) The unengaged and bitter west coast fan is not indicitive of CFB viewing overall.
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
We're not the "target audience"
because most of us have college degrees.
/assumption, but a good one, right?
in 2 years my degree won't mean a thing
assuming I remain employed during that time
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It’s gonna play well to all those with SEC school degrees now living in New York, I tell you what
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking maybe an INT/fumble return on the first down play, stripped at the one yard line, safety?
Not sure if this would work, if that would count as changing possession.
Also, Wikpedia has this:
The short-lived XFL used a modified Kansas Playoff, where the series would start on the 20-yard line and have four downs to score. However, if the first team to play overtime scored a touchdown in less than four downs, the second team would have to score in just as many plays (for instance, if the first team scored a touchdown on three downs, the second team would only have three downs to score a touchdown). Neither team could kick a field goal until the fourth down. Rather than a coin toss, the winner of the opening scramble at the beginning of the game also got to choose to go first or second in overtime.
no way they could afford that
they are already on the hook for kolb, unless they have an out clause of some sort.
Manning has already gotten to throw to some of the best recievers in Harrison and Wayne, nothing will be different with him throwing to fitz
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better then the last couple years
but fitz got to have those amazing years with Warner.
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Fitz is better than those guys, even when Harrison was in his prime, no?
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
eh
maybe. Not so much better that I think it will be that much different. What is the prime for an NFL reciever?
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Looks like they could cut Kolb
The Cardinals are paying Kolb a $10 million signing bonus and a $2 million in salary in 2011. He is due a $7 million roster bonus in 2012.
That bonus is guaranteed for injury only, meaning the Cardinals could decide to cut him based on performance.
That’s not going to happen, according to sources. Kolb will return in 2012. That will be a defining year for him, however, as his salary increases to $9 million and then to $10 million in each of the final three seasons.
If the Cardinals cut him after 2012, they save $41 million of that $63 million deal, but they will have paid him $20 million over two seasons.
link
NFL contracts are awesome
too bad he couldn’t stay healthy so AZ could get a full year to evaluate him
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Humma
Apologies: your arithmetic was right, mine was wrong.
Jigger gin: tbsp vermouth = 3:1
Jigger gin: tsp vermouth = 9:1
just as you said. So my “overflowing teaspoon” makes it soemwhere in between like 6:1, and we’re in general agreement.
I just wanted to put that right. I’m much the better for wear after a certain amount of experimentation over the weekend. ;-)
I got to try out two new premium gins too. Martin Miller Westbourne Gin (which got one of the highest ratings) is great but a little too overpowering in-your-face with the “botanicals” for me. A bit like a whole mashed cucumber in there. Was good with a bit extra vermouth. Anchor Steam’s Junipero small-batch is fabulous. I think think that and Henndricks are my favorites so far, Citadelle very close or same.
Not my math; that was David Young. My recipe for a martini is this: pour gin; say, “that looks right”; pour vermouth; say, “that looks right”; shake; drink.
Still chasing the dream of mediocrity
by Humma Kavula on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
There is almost no sport where individual statistics matter less
than the NBA where someone has to put up numbers for even bad teams.
You can’t just throw a street free agent out there and have him put up these kinds of numbers.
Irving is very impressive for his age.
Have you seen him play? I’m going to say no. Brandon Jennings was quite impressive after his first month in the NBA.
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Yup. If you want to push a rookie PG, Rubio is the guy.
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
To Phil or anyone in the know
Is there a deadline to pay the softball tourney thing?
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Anyone watching the Hall of Fame announcement show? Any idea how they’re gonna spend two hours talking about Barry Larkin?
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Right but the show just started.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Comparing him to Derek Jeter, plate appearance by plate appearance throughout their careers.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Jan 9, 2012 11:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
They can analyze Barry Larkin’s cameo in the original Beverly Hills 90210
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
is he the only one that made the HOF this year?
or has that been done or what? I haven’t paid any attention, lol.
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It’s not official, but that’s almost certainly what’s going to happen.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Larkin gets in, Morris barely misses, Bagwell doesn’t get in because some baseball writers are dumb.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that the only way Jeff Bagwell is getting into the Hall of Fame is by dying.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
would be interesting to see if Bagwell simply was imposed a “no first ballot” penalty or if many writers just don’t want him in the HOF altogether. Interested to see his vote total today
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
He’s at 58% on the ballot tracker so he’s gonna jump from 41 to somewhere between 55 and 65.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Then he will likely eventually get in IMO
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Usually I’d say yes but there are seven guys that deserve serious consideration getting added next year and five more the year after that. If steroids screw with the ballot enough that those guys stick around for a while it could be years until Bagwell gets in.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Ballot tracker is saying Larkin only and those numbers were pretty damn accurate last time. Morris and Raines have very very long shots.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Actually after this update I’d say Morris and Raines don’t even have a shot.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Would be huge jumps for Morris and Bagwell.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Missed A Big One
Piazza
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
If Bagwell does not get in because of steroid suspicion why would Mike?
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If next years ballot ends up being a giant mess due to roids this might be the last Hall of Fame induction we see in a while.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
if he gets elected (Very interested to see how writers deal with him)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
…to not get in on the first ballot. After that is when it gets interesting.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Think Barry and Clemens get in first try?
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Ugh. So 2014 ballot
Barry, Clemens, Piazza, Sosa, Schilling, Biggio, Lofton, Maddux, The Hurt, Glavine, Mussina, Kent, Bagwell, Raines, Trammel, Edgar, Walker, McGwire
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Can’t forget Jack Morris.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Oooh, that will be the 15th and final ballot for Morris, if he doesn’t make it by then (I don’t think he will).
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Maddux and Jeter are the only two I can think of that will challenge the voting % record. Some will leave them off for some unacceptable reason though.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Top vote %
Tom Seaver, 425 of 430 (98.84%)
Nolan Ryan, 491 of 497 (98.79%)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Or acceptable :)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Am I crazy to think RJ would get a better percentage than Maddux?
I know Maddux has the better reputation, but RJ had the 4 straight Cy Youngs and that god-like stretch in the early 2000s. I suppose the mid 90s for Maddux may have been just as good just in another way.
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Since HOF voters are insane
and likely won’t let more than a few people in for one year, who gets left out when all these guys are eligible? Isn’t Randy Johnson eligible in 2014?
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If they can’t sort that out 2015 adds Johnson, Pedro, Smoltz, and Sheffield.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Oh ok
Maddux, Johnson, Pedro, Piazza, Bagwell, Glavine, Thomas, Kent should all be in no matter what I think. Just depends on first or second or possibly 3rd ballot for a few of them.
the PED cloud will taint Sheff, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and Mcgwire.
I’m not sure Mussina, Schilling, Biggio, Smoltz, Lofton, Edgar, Walker, or the others will have done enough in the voters eyes to make it.
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I loved Edgar too, but he’s a no-defense guy who peaked late in his career which happened to be during the steroids era, so….
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Oh I love his numbers
the DH argument kills his HOF chances.
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And that’s what makes this especially horrible since Biggio is one of the 10 best second basemen of all time and he’s probably gonna get very little support with all those names on there.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I thought about that
But I really don’t think it will matter, or at least for a long time. If he gets in it will take 10 years in my mind.
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Tier below Biggio. Started too late and not as good defensively. Borderline Hall of Fame.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I hope Tebow gets in
before Kent
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
My biggest borderline guy is Schilling
Tons and tons of post season success may sway voters to get him in.
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Schilling, Kevin Brown and Mike Mussina all have similar cases. Schillings gonna be the only one that gets a real look though.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Just let em all in
That’s like every player I was hoping to get their card when I opened a pack in the early 90s.
Lofton was the earliest to retire
But hard to say he makes it before Maddux would.
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Sunday sucked
after a great Saturday, Sunday unexpectedly sucked ass
I made my coaching debut in my league, and my Jacksonville Suns were up 3 runs going into the top of the 8th. Our 3rd pitcher of the day proceeded to either HBP or BB the bottom of the order and then give up a triple to the 3 hitter. All of a sudden we are chasing 2 runs. Fast forward to the bottom of the 9th – we have the tying and winning runs on with 2 outs, I am on deck, our hitter smashes a hard line-drive right into 3rd baseman’s glove. Game over
Come home, watch Steeler game and turn into Sybil
1st quarter – Turn to my nephew “Steelers are fucked if they don’t score touchdowns when they are dominating”
1st quarter – “Jesus Steelers have 9 in the box and Tebow only throws a good deep ball, I hope they don’t get burned”
2nd quarter – “fuck, god damnit”
Halftime – “Steeler comeback – bank on it”
3rd quarter “We get one turn over and no worse than overtime”
4th quarter “Fumble, fumble, fumble – FUMBLE!!! WOOOOO.”
4th quarter “Just don’t get sacked and we win”
End of regulation “Steelers are done, no way they win this in overtime, will take a major Bronco screw-up”
OT – “Told you”
Only good thing about this is that I found out I need to be in India on Feb 5th, so pretty easy for me to miss the superbowl…..
When do Pitchers and Catchers report?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haven’t seen an official date from the Dodgers yet, but sometime around February 20
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I really enjoy
that you said “Sybil”. Like, really really.
Sorry that things were shitty.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I remember being in Vegas just before the 1990 World Series
and I saw odds on the A’s sweeping (not just winning) the Reds at I think 7-1. The odds on the Reds sweeping was I think 27-1 (which seems low). I was disappointed in myself that I did throw 20 bucks on that bet.
funny, not a lot of people seem to remember him as great
for me, he was a guy, who had baseball skills I coveted and admired – I loved him
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. I keep thinking, “Larkin was underappreciated because he played in the shadow of _” but can’t fill in the blank.
Lost a few gold gloves to Ozzie Smith’s rep.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
tickets
Good as bought
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 12:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
EK and Gibson too
The complete set of ten includes Eric Karros’ first Dodger Stadium bobblehead on June 28 (vs. NYM), Kirk Gibson on July 31 (vs. ARI) and Hall of Famer Scully on August 30 (vs. ARI).
by Eric Stephen on Jan 9, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Those that get to stay on the ballott
Barry Larkin 495 (86.4%) 3
Jack Morris 382 (66.7%) 13
Jeff Bagwell 321 (56.0%) 2
Lee Smith 290 (50.6%) 10
Tim Raines 279 (48.7%) 5
Alan Trammell 211 (36.8%) 11
Edgar Martinez 209 (36.5%) 3
Fred McGriff 137 (23.9%) 3
Larry Walker 131 (22.9%) 2
Mark McGwire 112 (19.5%) 6
Don Mattingly 102 (17.8%) 12
Dale Murphy 83 (14.5%) 14
Rafael Palmeiro 72 (12.6%) 2
Bernie Williams 55 (9.6%) 1
And these guys will not be on next year's ballot
Juan Gonzalez 23 (4.0%) 2
Vinny Castilla 6 (1.0%) 1
Tim Salmon 5 (0.9%) 1
Bill Mueller 4 (0.7%) 1
Brad Radke 2 (0.3%) 1
Javy Lopez 1 (0.2%) 1
Eric Young 1 (0.2%) 1
Jeromy Burnitz 0 (0%) 1
Brian Jordan 0 (0%) 1
Terry Mulholland 0 (0%) 1
Phil Nevin 0 (0%) 1
Ruben Sierra 0 (0%) 1
Tony Womack 0 (0%) 1
Damn, looks like an upstream battle for Salmon. Might need a ladder.
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by meercatjohn on Jan 9, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder who cast a vote for Eric Young.
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Brad Radke got two votes?
Do beat writers just throw these guys token votes?
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
From Jay Jaffe
Jay Jaffe @jay_jaffe
Larkin 86%,
Morris 67%,
Bagwell 56%,
Smith 51%,
Raines 49%,
Trammell & Edgar 37%,
McGriff 24%,
Walker 23%,
McGwire 20%
HALL OF FAME BROADCASTER VIN SCULLY HEADLINES THE FINAL THREE BOBBLEHEADS IN THE 2012 DODGER STADIUM GREATS BOBBLEHEAD SERIES
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LOS ANGELES – The Dodgers unveiled today the final three collectibles in the Dodger Stadium Greats Bobblehead Series which will be given away as part of the 2012 promotional schedule and now features the first-ever bobblehead of Hall of Fame Broadcaster Vin Scully. The complete set of ten includes Eric Karros’ first Dodger Stadium bobblehead on June 28 (vs. NYM), Kirk Gibson on July 31 (vs. ARI) and Hall of Famer Scully on August 30 (vs. ARI).
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The unprecedented Dodger Stadium Greats Bobblehead Series pays tribute to some of the most unforgettable Dodgers in Dodger Stadium history. The collection also features Don Drysdale with Maury Wills on April 28 (vs. WAS), Orel Hershiser on May 15 (vs. ARI), the historic Dodger infield of Steve Garvey, Davey Lopes, Bill Russell and Ron Cey on May 29 (vs. MIL), Mike Scioscia on June 12 (vs. LAA), Hall of Fame Manager Tommy Lasorda with Hall of Fame Manager Walter Alston on July 14 (vs. SD), Sandy Koufax on August 7 (vs. COL) and Fernando Valenzuela on Aug. 21 (vs. SF).
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The all-time Los Angeles Dodgers home run king Eric Karros will be featured on the club’s fifth bobblehead night on Thursday, June 28 when the Dodgers face the New York Mets. Karros blasted 270 home runs over his 12 seasons in Los Angeles and won the Rookie of the Year Award in 1992, starting a streak of five consecutive Dodgers to take home the honor. This marks Karros’ first Dodger Stadium bobblehead.
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The National League’s 1988 MVP Kirk Gibson will be featured on the Dodgers’ seventh bobblehead night on Tuesday, July 31 when Gibson will manage Arizona against Los Angeles. Gibson played just three seasons with Los Angeles, but as the heart and soul of the 1988 World Champions, provided one of the greatest moments in baseball history with his dramatic walk-off home run to win Game 1 of the Fall Classic. This is the second Dodger Stadium bobblehead for Gibson.
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Hall of Fame Broadcaster Vin Scully will be featured on the club’s final bobblehead night on Aug. 30 when the Dodgers take on Arizona. Entering an unprecedented 63rd season broadcasting the Dodgers, Scully’s 62 years of consecutive service with the Dodgers is the longest of any sports broadcaster with one team. This marks the Hall of Famer’s first Dodger Stadium bobblehead.
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it would cost me about
$2500 for season tickets (2).
It will cost me $460 or so for 2 ticket to the ten bobblehead games
For the seats where you sat last year?
I bet you could get Reserve seats somewhere for not a crazy price.
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but if you can’t resell tickets you don’t want, you’re losing 100% of their value
by Josie Becker on Jan 9, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I misread that
I thought you said 460 dollars to 2 of the bobblehead games. 460 makes sense for 10 games, though I think you could still find better deals possibly.
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Vin Scully bobblehead?!
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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The only network
not airing reruns tonight against the National Championship Game (which is prime time on the East Coast) – ABC, ESPN’s sister network airing a new ep of The Bachelor. I understand going after “football widows”, but it still seems odd.
Same here. No shame in missing Jim Palmer and Roberto Alomar.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
12% of voters didn’t think Mickey Mantle was a Hall of Famer the BBWAA has been bad at this for a long time.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible for me too
especially since all I had to do to check for them was type their name (missed 6)
Well
I know two I won’t miss when I take the quiz
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
23/27. Didn’t realize Robby got that much.
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I’m calling trick question on that one since he wasn’t even first ballot.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I knew there was SOMEONE who hit 90% despite not being on the first ballot and it just wouldn’t come to me.
DiMaggio took three ballots IIRC.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Only because people started voting for him before they were supposed to.
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by regfairfield on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Huh. Apparently he was voted in before he was actually eligible anyway. And is one of five to have done that. At least nearly all writers follow the rules nowadays.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
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