Dodgers 2012 Minor League Countdown: 150 - 141
Here is the next part of my Dodger prospect countdown, a group that includes some intriguing names along with other players who have fallen in my ranking from past years. As I alluded to last time, I've having a hard time ranking some of these guys all the way up in the 140's because I think some of them still have some solid talent, even though they each may have their flaws. But overall I guess that simply speaks to the depth of the Dodgers minor league organization as we head into 2012.
150. Joseph Becker, 2B/SS (70 games in AAA, 1 game in HiA, 13 games in LoA in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 1/11/07
5’10", 184 lbs, 26.25 years old, bats right handed
.300 average, .767 OPS, 3 HR’s, 19 RBI’s, 0 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 173; Pre 2010 Rank: 169; Pre 2009 Rank: 190
Becker was originally signed by the Dodgers as a non drafted free agent in 2007 out of Antelope Valley College, where he hit .350 for his career. Since signing, Becker has been a traveling man as he’s played for 9 different Dodger minor league affiliates in five seasons. After playing in just 20 games in 2010, mostly with the Loons, Becker surprised a lot of people by spending most of the 2011 season in AAA with the injury riddled Isotopes. He actually filled in very nicely at 3rd and 2nd base, hitting .310 while in Albuquerque and posting a solid OPS of .803. That being said, his stats were definitely aided by the hitter friendly park of the Isotopes as he batted .432 at home and just .202 on the road. Heading into 2012, I’d imagine that the Dodgers will probably send Becker back to AAA, but his chances of ever making it to the show remain extremely thin.
149. Josh Walter, RHP (6 IP in AA, 65 IP in HiA in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 6/27/08
6’4", 250 lbs, 27 years old
3-1, 3.55 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 4.07 FIP, 8.49 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 183; Pre 2010 Rank: 99; Pre 2009 Rank: 189
Josh Walter was signed as a non-drafted free agent in 2008 out of Texas State University where he posted a 4.71 ERA as a Senior. He actually didn’t pitch much at all in college, as he only threw about 40 innings in his career. Since turning pro, Walter has been on the every-other year plan as his stats were terrible in 2008 and 2010, but great in 2009 and 2011. Looking back over his past two seasons, Walter had an ERA of 6.59 in 2010 with the 66ers and posted a win/loss record of 1 - 10. He also allowed 13 homers in 95.2 innings, and ranked 2nd in the California League with his 64 walks. Josh managed to turn this around in 2011, however, as he returned to the California League but was able to cut his ERA almost in half. He also cut down his walk rate significantly and struck out almost a batter per inning. He even spent about a month in AA toward the end of the season and only allowed 1 earned run over 6 innings. Heading into 2012, I’m really not sure what to expect from the soon to be 27 year old. It would make sense for him to spend the year in AA, but since he had a good year in 2011 history tells us that he should implode in 2012. Only time will tell. Finally, here is a video of Walter throwing in spring training last year against fellow minor leaguers.
Follow the jump for #'s 148 - 141
148. Jason West, RHP (1.2 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg, 17.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers in June 2011 as a non drafted free agent
5’11”, 185 lbs, 23.5 years old
2-0, 0.47 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 1.94 FIP, 11.37 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Jason West went undrafted after spending his college days at Stephen F Austin University where he had a career ERA of 3.82 and collected 19 saves over the course of three seasons. While his twin brother signed as a non-drafted free agent with the Mets, Jason signed with Los Angeles and joined the Arizona Dodgers in early July where he quickly became the club’s most effective reliever. The 5'11" righty threw 17.1 innings during the season and completely shut down the opposition by allowing just 1 run while striking out 23 and recording 4 saves. His success continued into the short Arizona League postseason as he saved both playoff games and got 5 of his 6 outs via the K. Of course West was one of the oldest pitchers in the league, but you still can’t deny the success he had in 2011. I don’t know much about West’s stuff on the mound, but have read that he throws side arm which I’m sure contributed to his success against the younger opposition. Looking ahead to 2012, West will probably get a chance with the Loons given his age and the success he had this past year.
147. Ramon Jean, OF (88 games in HiA in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 3/12/07
6’0”, 160 lbs, 24.5 years old, bats right handed
.247 average, .622 OPS, 5 HR’s, 34 RBI’s, 13 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 127; Pre 2010 Rank: 116; Pre 2009 Rank: 85
Signed before the 2007 season as a 19 year old out of the Dominican Republic, Ramon Jean only spent one season in the DSL before being promoted to a U.S. based rookie league. After playing two seasons in the Dodgers rookie league, he received a surprise promotion to the California League in 2010, and also changed positions. A middle infielder for the first three years of his career, Jean spent almost all of 2010 in center field. In 2011 Jean returned to the California League where he continued his career as an outfielder. Unfortunately he regressed at the plate and hit just .247 with the Quakes with an ugly .281 OB%. His power numbers increased a bit, an OPS of .622 in the California League just isn’t going to cut it. Heading into 2012 I’m not sure where Jean will spend the year as a promotion to AA seems unlikely. I guess he could return to HiA for a third season, but at the end of the day I’m guessing that he’ll be an organizational player at best.
146. Jose Capellan, C (25 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 5/30/09
6’0”, 190 lbs, 21.5 years old, bats right handed
.270 average, .691 OPS, 1 HR, 12 RBI’s, 3 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 157; Pre 2010 Rank: 135; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
After spending two seasons in the DSL, Capellan got to the call to join the Arizona Dodgers in 2011 and did a decent job in limited playing time. The young catcher didn’t show much power, collecting just 3 extra base hits for the season, but he did walk at a decent clip and struck out in just 16% of his plate appearances. He also had a solid year defensively, throwing out 30% of would-be base-stealers and posting a .980 fielding %. Still just 21 years old, Capellan should progress to the Pioneer League in 2012 and will probably again split playing time with other backstops. I’m not sure if he has the skills to ever be a legitimate prospect, but at the very least he should be a decent organizational player for us.
145. Pete Budkevics, RHP (85 IP in LoA in 2011)
Signed 6/28/10 as Non Drafted Free Agent
6’2”, 165 lbs, 24.25 years old
4-4, 3.39 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 3.60 FIP, 7.52 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 150; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers signed Pete Budkevics as a non drafted free agent in June of 2010 out of C.W. Post (aka Long Island University). Budkevics had a solid senior season for the Pioneers, leading the team with 8 wins, posting a 2.97 ERA, and allowing just a .203 batting average against. He also left his school as the career strikeout leader with 291 K’s over 4 years. Shortly after signing with the Dodgers, Pete was assigned to the Ogden Raptors and probably surprised a lot of people by recording strong stats in 40 innings. That earned Budkevics a promotion to Great Lakes in 2011 where he was an invaluable part of the Loons bullpen. “Pistol” Pete led Great Lakes with 45 appearances, and posted a very solid ERA and FIP. He even stepped into the closer’s role for a short time after Shawn Tolleson got promoted and did a solid job by collecting 5 saves. In terms of his stuff, I don’t really know hard Budkevics throws or what other pitches he has, but I don’t think his fastball is all that over-powering. Looking ahead to 2012, I believe Pete will spend next season in HiA where he’ll have a similar role for the Quakes as he did for the Loons.
144. Anthony Jackson, OF (20 games in AA, 35 games in HiA, 3 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
PTNL in trade for Dotel
5’8”, 175 lbs, 27.75 years old, switch hitter
.315 average, .811 OPS, 4 HR’s, 32 RBI’s, 12 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 118; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers acquired Anthony Jackson as the player to be named later in the trade that sent Octavio Dotel to the Rockies. The now 27 year old was originally picked by Colorado in the 16th round of the 2006 draft out of the University of the Pacific. In his 4 years with the Rockies, the switch hitter had a career .252 batting average and a .670 OPS in 528 games. Jackson made his Dodger debut with the Lookouts to start the 2011 season, but there wasn’t much room for him in the lineup and after a month and a half of limited playing time and mediocre stats Jackson was demoted down to Rancho Cucamonga. Anthony had immediate success with the Quakes, although I’m sure he was probably aided by the fact that he was one of the oldest players in the league. A broken finger in late July cut his season short, however, as he didn’t return from the injury until the tail end of the season. Overall, Jackson doesn’t have much value give his age and struggles in the higher levels of the minor leagues, but he’ll probably get another chance to play in either AA or AAA in 2012 as he does seem to be a decent organizational player when healthy.
143. Jesse Bosnik, 3B (100 games in LoA in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 13th round
6’2”, 205 lbs, 23.75 years old, bats left handed
.232 average, .646 OPS, 8 HR’s, 42 RBI’s, 2 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 87; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers selected Jesse Bosnik in the 13th round of the 2010 draft out of St. Bonaventure University, where he hit .387 with 11 homers and collected 62 RBI’s as a junior in 2010. In Baseball America’s pre-draft report, they called him more of a doubles hitter than a home run hitter, but they did call him a very good base runner. Bosnik signed quickly and started his professional career in Ogden where he had a very average season for the Raptors. He was promoted to the Midwest League in 2011, but he got off to a dismal start and ended up hitting all 8 of his homers in the second half of the season. He actually only had one good month – July – which is when he hit .309 with 5 HR’s and a .877 OPS. The rest of the year “Boz”, as he was called by his Loons’ teammates, was pretty bad. A shortstop in college, Bosnik has moved to 3rd base in the professional ranks but his defense is a work in progress as his fielding % is just .918 since signing with the Dodgers. I really don’t see many strengths with his game, and I don’t envision him having much value to the Dodgers even though they have limited options at the hot corner. That said, I’m guessing that Bosnik will move up to HiA in 2011 because the organization doesn’t really have many 3rd base options in the system. Maybe a move to the California League will jumpstart his bat, or maybe he’ll just continue to struggle.
142. Robert Boothe, RHP (5 IP in LoA, 21 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 12/5/07
6’2”, 190 lbs, 26 years old
0-0, 4.15 ERA, 1.65 WHIP, 5.16 FIP, 6.23 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 111; Pre 2010 Rank: 77; Pre 2009 Rank: 82
Robert Boothe has had an interesting minor league career. He was originally signed by the Dodgers out of Japan as an international free agent, and at the time of his signing Logan White said that Boothe has “a nice delivery, good arm action, and a sound mix of breaking pitches which gives him the ability to be a future Major Leaguer.” The half Japanese half Caucasian right hander started his career in Ogden in 2008, then had a solid season for the Loons in 2009 where he had a K/9 of almost 12.5. At that point there was talk that Boothe and his 95 mph fastball might make the jump up to AA, but Robert was instead sent to the California League in 2010 where he struggled mightily with control. The Dodgers demoted Boothe back to LoA to start the 2011 season with hopes that he would return to form, but he instead completely imploded and was removed from the roster in early May. Boothe re-emerged in mid July, but this time it was all the way down in the Arizona Rookie League, which is where he finished out his season without much success. While his ERA in Arizona was only 2.57, he walked more batter than he struck out which is not what you want to see out of a 25 year old. I’m honestly not sure what the next step is for Boothe. The Dodgers will probably want to hold on to him for at least one more year if he still possesses a mid 90’s fastball, but at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if he was released at some point in the near future given his inability to find the plate. I guess only time will tell where he’ll be in 2012.
141. Devin Shines, OF (1 game in Pioneer Rookie Lg, 52 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 38th round
5’9”, 185 lbs, 22.75 years old, bats right handed
.319 average, .864 OPS, 4 HR’s, 33 RBI’s, 13 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Devin Shines, who is the son of former Expos first baseman Razor Shines, started his college career at San Jacinto Junior College where he hit about .340 over two seasons and slugged 16 homers. He transferred to Oklahoma State in 2010, but he red-shirted that year due to injury. He finally made his Cowboy debut in 2011 where he was one of the team’s starting outfielders, but he only hit .270 with 4 homers and 6 stolen bases. He also had a relatively weak fielding % of .968, but he did make this diving play. Despite his disappointing season the Dodgers selected Shines in the 38th round of the 2011 draft, and he quickly became one of the best offensive players on the Arizona Dodgers. Devin ranked 2nd on the club in many offensive categories including OPS, average, and OB% (.398). He also led the team with 13 steals and played a solid center field. The only issue is that Shines was one of the older players in the league at 22 years old, so you have to take his stats with a grain of salt. However, I’ve read scouting reports that say he has surprising pop for his frame and also has good speed, so based on those reports, his bloodlines, and his great professional debut I would venture to say that Shines does have some potential as a prospect. I could see him getting promoted to LoA for 2012, especially since his dad is the hitting coach for the Loons, but then again there is a bit of an outfield log jam in the Dodgers lower minor leagues so he might be forced to play in Ogden.
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I’m just bummed we didn’t get a unique post for Former Dodgers Burnitz, Mulholland Denied Hall Entry
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Former Dodger Brian Jordan also denied today
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
He can always fall back on his other gig as Dodger beat writer.
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When we release #147, the headline will be:
“Goodbye Ramon Jean”
by kinbote on Jan 9, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know whether to groan or applaud
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Though we never knew him at all
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Jan 9, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When #149 makes the team in 2015
and bats in the bottom of the 9th during Game 7 of the world series at Dodger Stadium, facing Danks, we could have John Walks Boothe, Dodgers Win.
I thought that was horrible...
I guess that’s why I liked it so much
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
Dodgers sign Eastbound and Down pitcher. They combine to shut down the opponents and break many bats.
Powers, Boothe, Stars of Dead Wood.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Every time I see Robert Boothe’s name, I think of Powers Boothe and the fact that he was the only actor, or one of the only, to show up at the Emmys/Oscars (whatever it was) when there was a big strike (SAG, I imagine) going on at the time, but can never figure out a joke with that reference. Then I remember that P Boothe also was in a bizarre movie about an egg collector that also co-starred Rutger Hauer and still-then smoking Kathleen Turner, and things get hazy after that.
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Right now there are two great value 4.99 wines at Trader Joes
Both are Italian Reds from Puglia
The first is the Salice Salentino – nice spice and fruit with a dry finish.
The second is a Sangiovese – the work house grape of Italy, this grape is Brunello, and Chianti, and mixed in elsewhere. In this 4.99 value wine you get a great juicy big mouth feel red balanced out with nice Tannins
These wines would be value at 2X the price and fairly priced at 3X the price
What about the Shiraz?
Never mind, I only drink White Russians.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 9, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Choose a Shiraz when cooking on the barbie, a Syrah while grilling.
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Reds at Trader Joe's
Must be a California thing, they are not available at Trader Joe’s in Princeton, NJ
Thanks for that tip
Love the leads on cheap reds, will check them out.
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at K&L I like these two very much for a mid-weeker
Planeta La Segreta Rosso for $8.99
and
finally – if you want a good wine for much cheaper than you should pay for it, and you can lay off drinking it for at least 5 years, I like this for 21.99
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Some good Rubby news, via Ramona Shelburne
@ramonashelburne
We got to see Ruby De La Rosa today. He says he’s throwing 50 pitches in a session now. Hopes to be back late July
(Yeah she misspells Rubby, but whatevs.)
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by underdog on Jan 9, 2012 1:16 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
MORE IMPORTANT
From Ramona Shelburne:
Also, GM Ned Colletti is on Twitter but he won’t tell anyone his handle. He’s a grazer/follower, not tweeting anything himself
I’d be more stoked if Ned told us what his CB handle was back in 1976
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
ToupeStache
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True Story
My dad’s mom went by Saber until she died, and my dad went by Patches because he wore this satin jacket as a kid with all kinds of patches sewn on the back.
He won't be more amusing than the fake DodgersGM tweeter anyway.
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Wonder if he follows Jay Jaffe
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 1:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
he's throwing?
Wow
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 1:21 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
great high quality Olive Oil
at a cheap price
http://www.californiaoliveranch.com/
I am all food, all the time, until you throw stones at me
And HJ
used some of the fennel pollen on a braised pork roast I made yesterday, it truly is the king of spices.
did not know that
I was introduced to it at Sotto – loved the oil and asked about it. They told me it was from California and I was like “Get the fuck out? Really?”
I picked up at bottle at the local Bristol, for like $7.99 and was blown away
it taste like a 30 bottle of imported oil
don’t cook with, make it your kick ass dressing and finishing oil
shit taste good
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
You would think California should produce, or be able to produce, excellent olive oil.
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I have been there 4 or 5 times and really love it
I think some of the best southern Italian food I have had outside of southern Italy, and that includes my house.
Menu is limited, regional, but the prep and flavors are spot on.
LA Mag just named it new restaurant of the year
What did you have that you didn’t like?
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
My grandparents are born an raised in southern Italy, and it’s only the second time i’ve seen my grandfather be pissed about food he was served.
We had about 3 or 4 of the pizzas, a meat dish, and a pasta dish. The pizzas were just okay, and the crust was completely burnt on one of them. The pasta was about 5 levels below al dente and was inedible. The meat dish was fine, but truly nothing special.
Our server was extremely poor, and the final nail in the coffin is having t pay for bread that was also burnt.
The best thing we had that night was the olive appetizer. That was tasty.
We found a really nice little place called Cafe Bella Roma on Robertson that is miles better than anything we had at Sotto.
they do scorch the bread – I get that. and I think the pizza while intentionally burned goes too far at times
weird on pasta and meat – but palates vary and places have bad nights
You should try Terroni on Beverly. This is the food most like my house, a little less stylized.
I have heard good things about Cafe Bella Roma
Good news for me: My mother just called, she is dropping stuffed shells and eggplant parmesan off for me at the house!
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
We also weren’t fans of the flavor of the pizza, as well. The toppings were sparse at best, and the middle was flimsy and un appealing. If I’m paying that much for a small pizza, I’m going to Mozza!
Because the place does have such good reviews, it as probably just an off night, but with so many other great options in L.A (including grandma’s house. Best ravioli you will ever have), I just dont see a reason to give it another chance.
Haven’t been to Terroni, but have heard good things about it. We really don’t go our for Italian often because it just doesn’t compare to what grandma makes. We’ll go to Cafe Bella Roma on occasion or to Il Cielo (a cousin owns it) for a special night.
Il Cielo is as lovely a room as there is in LA – have not been there for years, but very romantico
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
I talked to my aunt the other day and couldn’t help but think of you. I asked how her New Years was and she said they had a great time because they were able to go to Olive Garden and only wait 40 minuutes for a table.
glad she enjoyed her salad and bread sticks
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Only because Last Tango used butter. ;-)
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some notes from winter development camp in a fanpost
by Brandon Lennox on Jan 9, 2012 1:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah it was hard to tell
he def talked about sands a lot in that question about lefty pitchers, making me think he is in the big league plans, but then he mentioned the at bats factor which would make it tough for him to be there unless there was an injury
by Brandon Lennox on Jan 9, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
“We have unwritten rules about the voting because he wasn’t on a winning team. You guys gotta get your unwritten rules together”
Sometimes, I love this man.
this part was funny
but yeah he seemed undecided to me in terms of a re-vote. i’d have to listen to the tape again
by Brandon Lennox on Jan 9, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I hadn't seen this quote before
Kemp on Braun
“Ryan’s going through the appeal process and to me he’s a tremendous player,” Mattingly said. "But from a baseball standpoint and being part of the game, you don’t want to see it at all. You want to see the game getting cleaned up more and more. I think fans love guys who do great things but they want to know that those great things are coming through hard work.
“People love that. I love that myself, seeing a Kobe (Bryant) do the things he does. But you do want to know that that’s straight up. That’s why I think, the better the testing, the better it is for the game. It protects the players from themselves, where you’re not competing with each other. It protects organizations, so when you’re paying a guy for what he’s doing, you want to know that he can continue to do it. And it protects the fans, because the fans know the guy they love and the greatness they cheer for is from hard work.
“I hope the testing gets better and better and you see less and less of this.”
@jimcaple:
EricYoung fell 429 votes shy of election despite higher AVG than Killebrew, more HRs than Koufax and more AllStar games than Cobb
No one mentioned him as another ex Dodger denied the HOF
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I actually think Roy Halladay increases the chances of Schilling, Brown and Mussina making it. He’s a guy everyone knows will be voted in but who they also know won’t have the win totals to compare favorably to any starter not named Sandy Koufax. Those three guys are similar in that regard.
I don’t think the BBWAA, in general, views Schilling as someone lumped with those three. I think Schilling will make it on the first ballot with no problems.
Bustabad needs to be the manager of the Isotopes before Breaking Bad is done.
by fbihop on Jan 9, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
150. Joseph Becker, 2B/SS (70 games in AAA, 1 game in HiA, 13 games in LoA in 2011)
Josie… do you have any insight about your brother?
If Mark Prior and Kerry Wood stay as dominant as they were until they turn 30, THEN the injuries hit and Prior retires and Wood turns into a good reliever, are the elected into the Hall of Fame?
follow up question is, if Sandy Koufax’s career had been transplanted to today, other than CLEARLY playing for Dusty baker with those IP totals, does he still make the HOF or do people justs hrug, mutter a brief ‘oh well’ and move on?
I don’t understand. Are you asking if Sandy was Clayton Kershaw from 2011 – 2015 and won two world championships, several Cy Youngs, a MVP, would he still be a HOF if he retired after 2015? Yes
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
There’s your answer, fishbulb
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 4:06 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess, yeah
If Clayton wins like, 2 of the next 3 Cy Youngs, then his arm snaps off at age 27, is he a hall of famer?
I guess a similar question would be, if Tim Lincecum is very good for another two years, then has a career ending injury, does he get elected in?
Career ending injuries while at the height of the game seem to work wonders unless you are Albert Belle instead of Kirby Puckett. That and the World Championships, at some point Clayton would have to do what Sandy did in the World Series. That is what defined Sandy, destroying the Yankee’s in 63, and the greatest World Series pitching performance ever in 65.
Without that, no I don’t think Clayton would get in at age 27.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
You’ll get your answer in 2015 when Pedro Martinez “just doesn’t feel like a first ballot kinda guy”
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Vaguely serious question
If Kevin Costner were to rock out one more awesome baseball movie (where he played a manager presumably), would it be offensive to have him in the Hall? Or maybe Ron Shelton? He contributed at least as much good to baseball as Bowie Kuhn.
If Sly can be in the Boxing Hall…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
1. How many awesome baseball movies has he been in? I count one.
2. Yes, it would be offensive to have him in the hall
3. Yes, Ron too
4. Bowie is an awsome name, when combined with Kuhn it is among the most awesome names ever
5. I hope this is the first and last time you compare baseball to boxing.
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I enjoyed For Love Of the Game, liked Field of Dreams, Loved Bull Durham. If he had been in League of Their Own instead of Tom Hanks, I’d want him in the Hall of Fame.
Hell, he’s at least contributed more than Tim McCarver has.
serving to yourself is rather self serving
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
that's one secret
You should’ve kept a lid on
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 3:55 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hell, he’s at least contributed more than Tim McCarver has.
I understand the dislike for Tim McCarver as a broadcaster but Tim McCarver is a reason why the Cardinals had two World Championship teams in the 60’s.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
He didn’t get the Frickin’ award for his catching prowess.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Whatever, one is an actor who made a great baseball movie before most of you were born and has been living off of that ever since. Field of Dreams has Burt Lancaster and only he can make that piece of shit worth watching.
The other has been involved in baseball for 48 years and knows more how to play major league baseball then everyone on this board put together.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
by meercatjohn on Jan 9, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
you get me
I did like Field of Dreams, but don’t like it enough to stop the changing channels when I click on by
For the Love of the Game….yech
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Bull Durham and Vin scully are the last of the long forgotten romance this game and our country had for each other.
I love Bull Durham, Vin Scully, and Susan Sarandon washing herself with lemons in the sink of Atlantic City.
Those are good things
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't even make it 1
I’m not a Bull Durham fan. I love Tim Robbins, but he was obviously no pitcher. I don’t like Susan Sarandon
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Query: Bull Durham, but with Charlie Sheen as the rookie pitcher, and Tim Robbins as a first baseman who gets sent down midway through the movie. Millie becomes the new Annie, Sarandon out.
Would you watch it?
You are the Silverwidow of movie questions.
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"Iowa Farmer's wife"
if they made them like that down at the farm, we’d all want to be growing potatoes
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Logjammin!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
You can imagine where it goes from here
by The Dude Abides on Jan 9, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
3 mins. I think it must be a funnyordie short or something.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
because the joke is that tayler lautners char builds a football field
for the players to play on during the lockout
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Kevin Costner
can be a greeter at the HOF. I’ll allow that.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Oh shit, I just remembered — they’re going to show No Direction Home tomorrow at 4 p.m. on VH1 Classic.
I’ve never seen this and being I’m a huge Dylan fan now it’s a must record.
bordered by Mexico and a Buffalo Wild Wings
by G.Scott on Jan 9, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you are OLD, OLD, OLD
that’s ok, I asked if it was still a channel
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
I now own 10 of his albums
Bob Dylan
Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan
The Times They Are A-Changin
Another Side of Bob Dylan
Bringing It All Back Home
Highway 61 Revisited
Blonde on Blonde
John Wesley Harding
Blood on the Tracks
The Basement Tapes
The ones in bold are easily among the greatest LPs of all-time.
The Live 1966 version has two discs. The first CD is all acoustic, and the second CD is all electric, at a time people where thinking WTF?
This version of Visions of Johanna is so biting, it’s my favorite version of the song.
Then just before Like a Rolling Stone was the infamous “Judas” incident when somebody yelled at Dylan from the crowd and Dylan said “I don’t believe you, you’re a liar,” then turned to the band and said “play it fucking loud” and just killed it. So good.
Thanks for this
VoJ is arguably my favorite Dylan song, too. But I’ve only heard the ridic awesome Blonde version.
Biograph [the box set]
was my intro to Dylan during college (my dad had all the lp’s). The version of VoJ on that so much mellower than the up-tempo one on BOB.
I got some Dylan street cred
Being older than dirt I saw him in one of his first electric shows in Kleinhans Music Hall in Buffalo in 1966. A couple things I really like besides all the aforementioned are “Workingman Blues#2” and “Nettie Moore” off “Modern Times” and “Political World” off the underrated “Oh Mercy” album. Just sayin’
I just got roped into someone's bullet list
he wants to run a marathon
I said “Sure! Why not”
Let the throwing up and shin splints begin!
that is yet to be determined
I want one that is easy, casual, and in close proximity to alcohol when I finish
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Promise to have bandaids over my nipples (maybe the grossest distance running fact I have ever heard
Shit, what did I get myself into
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
There are several running facts much grosser. All involve something coming out of the runner during the race, from fluids to solids to babies.
JESUS H
I just searched Google for “gross marathon photos”
ugh
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
that is the plan – pretty shitty bucket list he has if it was a half
FWIW – I don’t have a bucket list
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
There is going to be a game played at Dodger Stadium coming up in the next few months made up of guys from the league I played in this fall. It’s something like $300 but I will find the money for it somehow.
Pitching at Dodger Stadium is my entire bucket list.
I forgot that is question number one of the new owner
Will you allow the Dodger Fantasy Campers to play a game at Dodger Stadium each year for a reasonable fee.
It’s one hell of a feeling, Gary. i was lucky enough to do it twice, and its something i’ll never forget.
There is an old bridal shower game where someone captures quotes said (mostly by the bride-to-be) and later reads them back as “things [bride’s name] says on the honeymoon”. That comment sounds like one of those.
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Joe's daily life is composed of other people's
bucket list
by bhsportsguy on Jan 9, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Damn straight. He’s not the world’s most interesting man for nothing.
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I was happy to:
a. run the whole way
b. finish in under an hour
I still have the shirt, though I’m 30 pounds heavier now :)
Unless you’ve gain significant weight from when I met you at a TBLA night in DS, you must have been a twig when you ran that thing.
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I was exhausted after my Thanksgiving marathon
I didn’t think I could watch all those episodes of Twilight Zone!
couldn’t he have stumbled into a drug store or an optometrist and tried them on until one worked
seemed like such a quitter
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
They have Bryan LaHair dude. BRYAN LAHAIR!!!!!!!!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 3:56 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Speaking of Fielder
There is plenty of chatter that soon-to-be former owner Frank McCourt will sign free agent Prince Fielder as a going-away gift to Dodgers fans, if the first baseman accepts a short-term deal.
Right
If this were Heyman we’d be going nuts because he’s just making shit up. The next sentence is actual reporting…
If it’s true, neither general manager Ned Colletti nor manager Don Mattingly knows it, or will reveal it, because both indicated on Monday that the payroll is spent and the roster is essentially set.
We have two people in the organization who say (on the record) that the roster is essentially set yet the author uses meaningless words like “chatter” to suggest that Fielder is in play.
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
No, it’s Gurnick getting page hits because
both indicated on Monday that the payroll is spent and the roster is essentially set.
He doesn’t even have the decency to make up an anonymous source here.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
A more important part of that article
Also at the camp is catcher Tim Federowicz, who was a September callup, but Colletti said he’s likely to open the season in the Minor Leagues as the Dodgers plan to start the season with A.J. Ellis starting and Matt Treanor backing up.
Josh Bard = AAA guy, emergency MLB backup.
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by David Young on Jan 9, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Garza entering Edwin Jackson territory. Be hard pressed to find someone as good as Garza who has been traded three times by the age of 28.
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Just saw this note via AP
Name the last Angels second baseman to be named an All-Star before Howie Kendrick in 2011.
there seems to be some disagreement
from different sources
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NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO SLEEP UNTIL THIS MATTER IS SETTLED
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Carew
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Fuck him then
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
well, the Angels have him listed as an OF for the all star game
he PH, so hard to say
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Ray had never played OF in a MLB game until
1988.
He did start 41 games in the OF for the Angels that year but he was a second baseman for the overwhelming majority of his career.
Johnny Ray pinch hit in the All-Star game. The other AL second baseman that day were Paul Molitor and Harold Reynolds.
In his career, Johnny Ray started 1219 games at second base and 41 games in the outfield.
and wrong
according to everywhere else. he did play OF that year, but most of his innings at 2b
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I guess it depends on how you word it
Looking back at the season Ray was a second baseman more than an outfielder.
But he did start 41 games in LF to open the season, so I’m sure he was listed on any AS ballots (not that he was voted in) as an outfielder. Prior to the AS game, Ray had 41 starts in LF, and 36 starts at 2B.
So the AP took the “looking back” view it appears, as he became a second baseman as 1988 wore on.
I should do some more research on this
Either the Angels had a ton of faith in Mark McLemore (started most of the games at 2B with Ray in LF) or they were waiting on Tony Armas to get healthier. Armas did start a few games in LF early and even some in CF, then played more LF once Ray moved back to 2B.
Angels also had Brian Downing at DH, with the occasional Bill Buckner mixed in.
good name
I am too fucked to think right now, so nice to be reminded
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
My recollection as well. The Dallas MacPherson of his time.
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I like the name
Johnny Ray was a guitar man
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Johnny Ray
had a strong argument that he was ROY in 1982 instead of Steve Sax.
Ray followed the line of very good Pittsburgh Pirate second baseman even after Maz retired. Dave Cash, Rennie Stennet, and Phil Garner.
I can see the baseball card of him as a Pirate in my minds eye
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Strangely enough, spelled KNOOP, pronounced kuh-NAHP.
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For the one or two MMA fans out there
A cool video of a photographer describing her favorite UFC photos of 2011.
Chad Mendes is from the city I currently live in (I even taught his sister). Can’t wait to see him this weekend.
same can be said
for Ms Hawaiian Tropic
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Least excited I’ve been about a card in a really long time. Erick Silva versus Carlo Prater on the main?
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Same here. Are the prelims on FX or Fuel?
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve got Fuel in HD, so no biggie. Just drive down to my house and watch it there.
by Michael White on Jan 9, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
blah blah blah LEFT TURN blah blah blah
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i am Elmer J Fudd, Billionare
I own a mansion und a yacht
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Curt Schilling
has a kinda low number of IP compared to HOFers. He does have 3000+ careers Ks which, like 3000 hits, was once an automatic for getting in. Here are the HOFers with less career IP (and 1000 min, to weed out the position players who took the mound once or twice – trivia: the “worst” ERA in the hall belongs to Stan Musial who faced one guy, didn’t get him, but that guy didn’t score either – 0 IP, 0 R = undefined ERA). Outside of the relief pitchers, most of these guys were inducted a long time ago
Rk Player IP From To
1 Bruce Sutter 1042.0 1976 1988
2 Babe Ruth 1221.1 1914 1933
3 Rollie Fingers 1701.1 1968 1985
4 Rich Gossage 1809.1 1972 1994
5 Dizzy Dean 1967.1 1930 1947
6 Hoyt Wilhelm 2254.1 1952 1972
7 Sandy Koufax 2324.1 1955 1966
8 Addie Joss 2327.0 1902 1910
9 Lefty Gomez 2503.0 1930 1943
10 Jack Chesbro 2532.0 1901 1909
11 Rube Waddell 2659.2 1901 1910
12 Joe McGinnity 2732.0 1901 1908
13 Bob Lemon 2850.0 1946 1958
14 Ed Walsh 2964.1 1904 1917
15 Dazzy Vance 2966.2 1915 1935
16 Hal Newhouser 2993.0 1939 1955
17 Chief Bender 3017.0 1903 1925
18 Stan Coveleski 3082.0 1912 1928
19 Vic Willis 3106.1 1901 1910
20 Whitey Ford 3170.1 1950 1967
21 Mordecai Brown 3172.1 1903 1916
22 Jesse Haines 3208.2 1918 1937
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To be fair
Here is a list of HOF pitchers in the 1000 IP window around Schilling’s career total of 3261.
Rk Player IP From To
1 Bob Lemon 2850.0 1946 1958
2 Ed Walsh 2964.1 1904 1917
3 Dazzy Vance 2966.2 1915 1935
4 Hal Newhouser 2993.0 1939 1955
5 Chief Bender 3017.0 1903 1925
6 Stan Coveleski 3082.0 1912 1928
7 Vic Willis 3106.1 1901 1910
8 Whitey Ford 3170.1 1950 1967
9 Mordecai Brown 3172.1 1903 1916
10 Jesse Haines 3208.2 1918 1937
11 Dennis Eckersley 3285.2 1975 1998
12 Rube Marquard 3306.2 1908 1925
13 Cy Young 3312.1 1901 1911
14 Don Drysdale 3432.0 1956 1969
15 Catfish Hunter 3449.1 1965 1979
16 Juan Marichal 3507.0 1960 1975
17 Herb Pennock 3571.2 1912 1934
18 Carl Hubbell 3590.1 1928 1943
19 Jim Bunning 3760.1 1955 1971
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Only because B-Ref doesn't have pre-1901 stats in their tool
Cy Young is shorted about 4000 IP for his 1890-1900 seasons.
Vic Willis would move to beyond the top end of this list as well.
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but not by a lot, 3996 total IP.
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and I am just starting to get pissed off about it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
There's that Bayless place
Frontera. It’s really good. Good selection of Tequila’s too. Make the client pay for it
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Make the client pay for it
In what fucking world does that ever happen?
I had a client that demanded I take him to a nudie bar one night, had to lay the rules out for him. I pay your entry, I buy your drinks, but you pay for your own lap dances
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
A story a co-worker at the Times told me
They were at a convention in Vegas with a big group of Time’s IT people looking at systems. A vendor offered to take them out to dinner and the leader of the Time’s group said “well, Vendor x offered us women”. The guy blanches and says he’s got to talk to his boss. He comes back in a few minutes and says very apologetically, “i talked to my boss, and we just can’t do it”. Then the Times guys says We were only joking.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
good stuff and all true
My ex-boss was in Korea taking clients out and they tried to her HER to pay for the whores
She was cool, but not that cool
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Chicago's a good town
to be pissed off in. Lots of bars
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Imagine if this client were in Salt Lake City.
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Oh, trouble is easy to find in a city that tries to prevent it
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
How can you tell?
That is like saying – If that girl dies, she will be deader than the other dead girl
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
from www.bcsfootball.org
The BCS is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, and to create exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other bowl games . . . It has been undeniably successful in achieving those goals. Thanks to the BCS, the top two teams have played each other 12 times in 12 years by BCS measurements and nine times in the last 12 according to the AP poll — including the last six years in a row.
Emphasis mine.
thanks to 2 + 2 = 5, 2 + 2 now equals 5
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
1000 comics makes it easy to constantly be relevant
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by nolander on Jan 9, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a stunning woman in my office
who’s a huge LSU fan, so I’m rooting for them.
Plus, fuck Alabama
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
from your description
Fuck her sound a lot better
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
it occurs to me that if this was a certain other poster
I would say something about how women keep each other down just as much as men or something. Fair and balanced is for pansies though.
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I think lumping all women together as some minority that needs to support all the stupid decisions made by members of that minority is silly. Like assuming my black mom would vote for Herman Cain silly.
Moms are sacred
but boy did I have a good joke
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Unlike - [record scratch sound]
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Joey Joe should remember
A Southern man don’t need him around anyhow
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The line by Maggie Smith in Downton Abbey
`Sybil can’s have opinions until she gets married. And then her husband will tell her what they are.
World has changed…
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Jan 9, 2012 5:26 PM PST reply actions
and to be clear
he is seperate from disney the company yes?
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Roy Disney was the nephew of Walt Disney, but the family’s investments are not directly tied to the operation of The Walt Disney Co., which controlled the Angels from 1998-03.
Strangely enough
When the therapist asked young Roy to show her just where Uncle Walt touched him, Roy was given a Mickey Mouse doll to demonstrate
by Hollywood Joe on Jan 9, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is separate money, yes, but Roy Disney definitely got his dough because of the Disney company. When he died, he did own something like 1% of the Disney stock still.
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But I would think at most
they would use that as collateral for a loan, they wouldn’t sell it, the taxes would be immense.
One imagines so
That stock holding is worth about $7.5B.
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or
one park hopper pass :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Actually the stock is worth
around 700 or so million (1% of 71.7 Billion market cap value of Disney Stock).
Agreed. I forgot to move the decimal point enough.
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oh
so just the Disneyland one then
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
his family
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
I’m now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
John Carter
is this based on something? Or did Disney just put a bunch of plots into a blender and serve the resulting concoction?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
My guess
Loosely based on the Edgar Rice Burroughs book John Carter of Mars.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 9, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
thanks
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure
I read it when I was a college freshman.
by The Dude Abides on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
yup
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
the halftime dude?
give’em a break……
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure
she wanted less
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
a touchdown!
HOLY SHIT!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Jan 9, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions

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