2012 Dodgers Player Profile: Matt Treanor
by meercatjohn on Feb 23, 2012 6:04 AM PST
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Matt is a right handed hitting catcher, born on March 3rd, 1976 in Garden Grove, California. Matt was a fourth round pick of the Royals in 1994, in 1997 Matt was traded to the Florida Marlins for Matt Whisenant. His path to the major leagues took 10 years of minor league ball involving 3300 plate appearances.
In 2005 when he finally made it for good, he was the backup catcher to our own Paul LoDuca the year after the big trade. Matt has had a career you would expect from a journeyman bouncing around the league. He has played with the Marlins, Detroit, Texas, Kansas City, and back to the Rangers. In 2011 he was the opening day catcher for the Royals. His biggest hit of his career might have been his three run walk off home run against the Angels last year on April 3rd.
Matt Treanor was not the worse offensive catcher in baseball last year but he was in the bottom 10%. I was unaware that he had an offensive skill but lo and behold he does know how to take a walk. When you hit .214 but carry a . 338 on base percentage you are not totally useless. To bad his slugging % can't break .300.
We may have found the older version of AJ Ellis. I'm not sure if I've seen a better comp for AJ Ellis then Matt. Like AJ they had very very very very long minor league careers. Like AJ, Matt showed a propensity for taking a walk but with zero power. Treanor has a career .90 split between his batting average and on base % so last year was no fluke. The man can take a walk.
Defensively I know nothing about Matt Treanor but I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying he's "probably" an above average catcher because why else would he be haunting the major leagues given his career OPS of .623. He did throw out three runners in a game on April 15th, 2005.
Since Treanor made the major leagues in 2005, only Jeff Mathis has a lower slug%. Bottom 5 for your enjoyment are:
Rk Player SLG PA From To Age HR BA OBP OPS 1 Jeff Mathis .301 1360 2005 2011 22-28 26 .194 .257 .557 2 Matt Treanor .309 1299 2005 2011 29-35 16 .224 .316 .624 3 Brad Ausmus .311 1778 2005 2010 36-41 12 .240 .323 .633 4 Jason Kendall .318 3419 2005 2010 31-36 8 .260 .333 .651 5 Humberto Quintero .319 1035 2005 2011 25-31 13 .234 .266 .585
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 2/21/2012.
It was easy to stop at the bottom five because number six had a slug% jump all the way to .347. These five are as futile a five as you will find. Yet all five have been able to carve out a major league career.
Trivia
Married to Misty May in 2004, one of the greatest female volleyball players of her generation. Misty is a Los Angeles native who might be one of Los Angele's greatest athletes. Her string of accomplishments is a long one and still growing.
Matt has also been in the last two world series so there is that.
Contract Status
Per the TBLA Payroll Worksheet
Treanor signed a one-year deal worth $1 million on November 15, 2011, which includes a club option for 2013.
2012: $850,000
2013: $950,000 club option ($150,000 buyout)
Previous Dodgers Player Profiles
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Stats
| Year | Age | PA | HR |
Runs | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
| 2009 |
33 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .071 | .000 | .050 |
| 2010 |
34 | 272 | 3 | 22 | 27 | .211 | .287 | .308 | .268 |
| 2011 |
35 | 242 | 5 | 24 | 22 | .214 | .338 | .291 | .291 |
| 2012 Projections - Age 36 Season | |||||||||
| Year | PA | HR |
Runs | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | ||
| Bill James | 169 | 2 | 15 | 16 | ..220 | .320 | .293 | ||
| ZiPS | |||||||||
2012 Outlook
Backup catcher to AJ Ellis. How long he stays with the Dodgers probably depends more on how FedEx does this summer than anything Matt does. Treanor is a given, he won't hit much but he will get on base.
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Didn’t he also use to be CJ Wilson’s personal catcher?
by DodgerofTrolleys on Feb 23, 2012 6:20 AM PST reply actions
If Traenor could just hit .250 he would have had a great career.
But he can’t so .215/.310/.290.
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So, if AJ Ellis can hit .250 we have a winner?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yep.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Until the photo caption popped up, I was thinking “Hmm, I could learn to like this Treanor guy.”
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 6:57 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Cole Hamels makes a funny
Per Heyman:
why hamels couldnt play for hometown sd: "why would i want to go where fans only support you from the 3rd inn. thru the 6th?’’
what an asshole, you dont talk about your hometown like that…. never forget where you came from Hamels! Even if it is true, you dont say it.
I learn of many systems and standards of morality at this website I never knew of before. Interesting.
“Don’t publicly shit on an entire city or region” isn’t really something out of the ordinary. Especially your hometown where a lot of kids and fans look up to you even as you play for another team.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
At least Gas Lamp Ball will think twice about voting for him for the SBN CYA.
by fbihop on Feb 23, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, no matter how bad the Dodgers were the LA area is where I'm from
I could never say anything bad like that publicly if I were a major leaguer.
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My favorite Misty May & Matt Treanor photo
Any guy would be so lucky to have a girl look at him the way she is
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Alas, My Wife!
Matt Treanor is the new Nomar Garciaparra.
And I did enjoy this sentence:
Matt Treanor was not the worse offensive catcher in baseball last year but he was in the bottom 10%.
She's pretty cute actually, but, dude... WTF
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
That's not a lip ring on him is it?
Just a weird angle, or some donut residue? lol
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I'm sure LAD makes beanies
I mean, it doesn’t get cold here, but still.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Has to have been taken when he was in College, otherwise that is bannable.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
His face is kind of goofy
its part of his country boy charm
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I own superman drawers…we all have our guilty pleasures ;)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Superman drawers are just good fun
now if you word wonder woman panties, that would be a guilty pleasure
by Hollywood Joe on Feb 23, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still blown away that he was a sub.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
titute teacher.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I used to get a kick of the off-season jobs
That we’re listed on the back of baseball cards. Favorite was Richie Hebner being a grave digger.
Greatest thing Josh ever wrote?
http://cardboardgods.net/2008/02/17/richie-hebner/
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
marine sandwich
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
some stereotypes are true:
drove by a burger king in valencia yesterday, the sign out front read “99c Chicken Sandwhiches”
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Although it shouldn't
It bugs me a little bit that Roy Oswalt is still out there and our rotation is overstuffed with fluff. If we had not signed Harang and instead gone with Eo as the placeholder until something came along [like an affordable Oswalt], we’d likely be better off. Now who knows if he’d actually sign with us, but the principle etc. We sure spent a lot of money this offseason without landing a single impact player. Give me this my daily gripe.
Sign Oswalt, move Harang to the bullpen. Watch Harang’s K rate return to his 2006 levels. Win championship.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I should let Colletti off the hook in light of trying to get Fielder. Would everything have made sense if that piece were added?
I’ve been wishing we signed Oswalt the whole time. I mean, hey, we have 27 million bucks to spend.
by DodgerofTrolleys on Feb 23, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
he sounds like location is a huge deal to him. like berkman I assume he wouldn’t sign here no matter what.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Feb 23, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Two
Different tweets have said he is not signing with any of the three teams that have been mentioned in the running for him.
yeah he turned Boston down. He wants to remain close to Mississippi so I dont think were an option anyways.
Close to Mississippi? So that pretty much just leaves the Astros and Braves.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Ya, that one works too. I didn’t want to include the two teams in Florida, but Dallas makes as much sense as Houston.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Oswalt would prefer to pitch for the Cardinals or Rangers in order to be closer to his home in Mississippi and his Missouri farmland, but chances are he’ll have to settle for a little less than the one-year, $8-10 million deal he was reportedly looking for. The Red Sox remain a possibility, but he has previously turned down an offer from the club. It’s also possible that Oswalt could wait and return around midseason or just retire. We should have more clarity on the situation at some point Thursday. per Rotoworld
Selig calls International Draft inevitable. Just in case people in Latin America still want to play baseball after the new CBA this should make sure it dies.
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So all the Japan players and Cuban players would have to enter this draft instead of just going to the highest bidder basically?? If so, finally!!
why does everyone root for the rich guys
by Hollywood Joe on Feb 23, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
There is no such thing as high school baseball in places like the Dominican. Right now teams have an incentive to build the best facilities possible in these countries to attract the best talent.
If everyone has an equal shot at acquiring Dominican talent, why bother building baseball camps there.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Jerry Sands was teammates with Carlos Perez with Licey in the Dominican Winter League this year. Joked that Perez was a dude he didn’t want to mess with and that it was something like the 20th year in the league for Perez.
Sands said management in the DR said of Perez, “We keep telling him not to come back, but every year he keeps showing up in the clubhouse.”
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 8:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’ve never understood the human fascination with trinkets. Watches included.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Zips Projections are now sortable on Fangraph Web Site.
The first sort is by wOBA. If you sort by position the first page is the top 30. Not one Dodger infielder from C – 3rd base makes the 1st page.
Basically ZIps feels the Dodgers have just about the worst offensive players at every position but CF/RF.
http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&type=zips&team=0&players=0
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They've got Kershaw beasting in the projections
http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=zips&team=0&players=0&sort=12,d
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That pitching would probably work if our offense clicks but they expect our offense to hit like they are playing in Petco.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yeah, if this team is going to do anything, Chad will definitely need to improve upon those predictions
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They should like him more
He’s my darkhorse Cy Young Candidate ;)
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So I’m confused…if Kemp is gonna go 50/50 why does he need a trainer?
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
I..I don’t underst…my ears are bleeding.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Shhh. Just close your eyes. Shhhh.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
Just curious, are you all next to each other doing this or in separate geographic locations?
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Anybody remember the phrase “LAN parties”?
Or were none of you that big of nerds.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
get together with a bunch of friends with your computers and play video games
eat pizza and drink soda. They ended once we tried to introduce alchohol to the mix
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
my coworkers have lan parties all the time
Super big nerds ;)
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I’m guessing they all sit around a table, and play on – line WOW, never talking to each other
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
plenty of chatter
if you aren’t talking you aren’t working together to your maximum potential
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Why LAN though?
Everything is wireless these days.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
so when my brother, sister, mother and I are all on our laptops, we’re having a LAN party?
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
oh vidya games, that’s what this is about? Gosh dang it bobby
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
it was high school!
I honestly would love to get the gang back together for one last lan but it’ll never happen
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I can only think of Hank Hill saying that
whenever something like that is said with my name at the end
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A LAN party is a temporary, sometimes spontaneous, gathering of people with computers, between which they establish a local area network (LAN), primarily for the purpose of playing multiplayer video games. The size of these networks may vary from the very small (two people) to very large installations
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
My mistake
I was referring to back in the day when people brought there desktops to somebodys house, wired them up and then played.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
yeah I got what you where going for
and even stared trying to remember the term for when a name sticks even though it doesn’t make sense in a modern context and then remembered it didn’t actually matter lol.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I'm not sure of the specifics because i've never done them
But what they said is they just bring over their xboxes and play certain games together that way.
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xbox parties are lame
gotta wire up the ole pcs. If you aren’t lugging around an old CRT monitor it doesn’t count! GET OFF MY LAWN.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
They also have extra computer towers they built for WOW and other games
that they play all the time.
Last week when my bosses were gone they downloaded quake 3 on our computers and we played for a bit, it was awesome.
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We've traced the call
It’s coming from . . . INSIDE THE HOUSE!!
by kinbote on Feb 23, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well all the other girls have started to develop and we want to keep the ole’ self esteem up
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I already forget, where did Broxton sign to where he will break our hearts by kicking ass this year?
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Kansas City
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 9:33 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Broxton throws slider
“Holy shit, I thought he only had a fastball!”
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
by G.Scott on Feb 23, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Now that’s entertainment.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Damnit, this acronym is one of the few i don't know
Someone please explain
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Feb 23, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I hope Brox gives him the best-shaped bruise of his life.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Feb 23, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Ryan Zimmerman
It will be interesting to see if he and the Nats can agree on an extension, when the team has Rendon waiting in the wings
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 9:34 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Rendon
Hasn’t played professionally yet and Zimmerman still has two years to go on his current contract. If they extend, I can’t see it being more than 2-3 years. But at this point it is more about Zimmerman since you can’t pencil Rendon in the line up in 2014 just yet.
He is out of college
So I think next year is a possibility.
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Bunt madness brought to you by the Cubs. I am ready and willing to gamble on this.
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How does Ha get a No. 6 seed this year?
Also, I’m going with Jaramillo over Castro in the always-happening 12-over-5 upset.
Did we ever find out
Who we would have traded for Daniel Murphy?
by funkyjam on Feb 23, 2012 9:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Infuse Oswalt & Murphy and the team is dramatically improved. Instead……Capang!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
thats not fair
we tried to get murphy but the giants where able to make a deal that the mets liked better. Who knows what we would have had to give up to still get murphy in that situation. As for Oswalt, as stated above it sounds like he wants to stay close to Mississippii so we never had a shot at him.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
sorry I was unclear
supposedly they where able to fill w/e need they had that they would fill by trading with us by trading for the mets. At least thats how I recall it.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
They traded their center fielder for a center fielder. The Daniel Murphy “trade talks” probably meant
“Sandy, what do you want for Daniel Murphy”
“Kershaw and Zach Lee”
dial tone
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
they also got ramon ramirez
so I think there was some chatter that part of hte deal would be a major league ready reliever going to the mets.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
you were fine--i forgot pagan
I always thought the Giants would get Beltran. Their OF is like our IF.
Whatever the Dodgers would have had to give up for the only decent cost controlled player the Mets have would have made you really upset.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Top 5 GMs
They’re doing a list tonight on Clubhouse Confidential if anyone is interested. Friedman has to be near the top.
Let's play
“Which one of these is not like the others”
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Talked to Tommy Lasorda for a brief moment today. I was with Dylan Hernandez, and Tommy reminded us that mean who are real men don’t have beards.
Well, that's good for you
You don’t have a real beard
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
ha ha, sibling love is like no other love
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 23, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
So you’re saying he’s still angry about the Santana deal?
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Konerko has a beard. Sort of.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
did you ask him
how the troops in Afghanistan are doing?
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
in small print
As a layover to Houston
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
DODGERS CLAIM MATT ANGLE
Steve Melewski masnSteve
Heaaring that Matt Angle has been claimed off waivers by the Dodgers.
Oh boy a 26 year old outfielder that hasn’t cleared a .730 OPS above A ball on the 40 man.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
.878 in AA (in 102 PA)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
.724 on the year.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
A cheap PodBoy clone has it’s uses.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 23, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
If he hits anywhere near Podsednik I’d be shocked.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
podsednik’s minor league numbers were worse than this guy’s
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Nuh uh.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
PCL league AAA same age
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=podsed001sco
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by Phil Gurnee on Feb 23, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
very
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 23, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough, but there’s probably a ton of people like Scott Podsednik that went on to do diddly squat.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
thankfully you're here to bring everyone back to earth about the waivered crappy outfielder
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The Dodgers never, ever claim guys – and when we do, it’s this???
by silverwidow on Feb 23, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
MMA question coming
Since you’re here, what’s the fascination with “Pride rules” ? I see people on message boards pining for Pride rules in the UFC. I’ve watched some “Best of Pride” on Spike and those rules were brutal. I don’t really need to see soccer kicks in the UFC. I’m honestly surprised Wanderlei didn’t kill anybody back in the day.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
People are idiots
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Makes sense. I was wondering if I was missing something.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I can't even understand wanting those rules
As UFC used to be like that, and they were banned in most states.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 10:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
This.
I know there are a lot of people that want to make knees to the head of a grounded opponent legal (which seems crazy) but I haven’t heard many people calling for soccer kicks to the head of a grounded opponent being legal.
I like the rule the way they are now. I think that it is sufficiently safe and allows for some insane KOs.
The idea is that it should neutralize wrestling by being able to knee a guy in the head when you stuff a takedown, but really it would just lead to wrestlers taking north/south and killin a dude.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
how many times have we said that?
I’ll believe it when I see it
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
i thought this the last 3 times we added someone
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
right
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Feb 23, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
To this point, Beli’s troubles haven’t required the Dodgers to do anything with him. Restricted list last year, suspension this year. He’s not on any roster.
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Refresh my memory, who did we drop from the 40 man instead?
by Michael White on Feb 23, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Russ Mitchell was the last one. We also cut Monk, Ely and Hoffmann (who got claimed by Colorado).
by silverwidow on Feb 23, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Russell MItchel?
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by Phil Gurnee on Feb 23, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
On the TBLA front page is an ad for a movie called Thin Ice, with the tagline “Someone’s taking the fall” and starring Greg Kinnear. This should have been produced by Josh Macciello.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Sounds like this was a decent movie until the studios got their hands on it
booted the director out, and recut and ruined it.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
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