Dodgers Spring Training 2012: Camelback Ranch Day 3
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 2:30 PM PST
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I took some pictures from day three of the Dodgers spring training camp at Camelback Ranch. It was the second day of workouts, which including the six catchers in camp stretching then playing catch with A.J. Ellis, Matt Treanor, and Matt Wallach on one side...
...throwing to Gorman Erickson, Tim Federowicz, and Josh Bard:
Clayton Kershaw worked out on Thursday with no problems from his stiff back and is expected to pitch his scheduled bullpen session on Friday. Here he is speaking with pitching coach Rick Honeycutt and manager Don Mattingly:
The pitchers split into four groups, with some working with Davey Lopes...
...and the rest involved a series of pitcher fielding drills. Angel Guzman and Todd Coffey waiting to field grounders at first base then flip to the covering pitcher in the rotating deal:
Here's Will Ledezma...
...and Scott Rice...
...and Michael Antonini...
...and John Grabow...
...and Alberto Castillo...
...and Josh Wall...
...and finally, Todd Coffey:
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He’s not as large as I was led to believe
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
somewhere, Reg is trying to kill himself with an ethernet cable
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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don't hate
LAN parties are awesome
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Is that what David Carradine called it?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Quite the contrary. Coffey looks shockingly out of shape in person (speaking on an athlete standard, knowing full well about the pot calling the kettle black, etc).
One reporter here said Coffey was the most out of shape baseball player he had ever seen.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
he looks thinner than Broxton from those pictures.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Broxton's moobs where never so prominent
I don’t think Coffey has the frame to hide it as well as Brox did
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
When I saw Broxton at spring training last year, I’d say he looked about 300 pounds. Big, big boy.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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of course Broxton may be TALLER than Coffey.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
and wider perhaps
broxton isn’t built like a brick house, brick houses are built like him
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I definitely did not get the mighty mighty vibe from Broxton
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena
To be fair, he did let it all hang out.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and Coffey's getting laaaaaaaaaaaarger!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He stored a lot more weight in his lower body than Coffey does.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I have a picture with me and Broxton and the way the picture came out, my wife said I looked like I’m nearly his size. Not one of my finer moments.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Feb 23, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
its really weird watching back screen footage of them doing it
really quite awesome
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I have a photo with me and John Ely and the way the picture came out, everyone said it looked like he didn’t want to be anywhere near me. So.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Coffey is actually standing several hundred feet behind everyone else.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Cool
So that reporter is new to the team and never saw Broxton?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Broxton didn’t have the gut that Coffey has. Ray King wonders what’s up.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really care how fat pitchers are
As long their mechanics are good to go.
As long as he does not trip over his gut running in from the bullpen or get knocked out by the man boobs.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
he definitely needs a mansierre, or a "bro"
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for a guy that big he seems to be pretty darn durable too
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Silverwidow slipped him a Washington so he Lindblom did not waste his goodness in AAA
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I like Coffey irrationally
I would rather someone else fail to make room for lindblom
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
but to be fair that first 20 pounds is the easiest
:-/
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
A reporter that saw Andruw Jones as a Dodger?
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Lotta cream in that Coffey
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
imagine how fun it would be to be a minor leaguer and at spring training
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by kinbote on Feb 23, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
must suck being an NRI
and going spring to spring taking pfp with a club youre desperate to latch onto
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Feb 23, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions
better than being face down in a urine ditch
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Its not THAT terrible
just think of how many people would kill just to be in their position.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Like me?
/Wonders how a high-60’s fastball will play in the majors
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by Taylor Maricle on Feb 23, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
do they get paid to show up for st
or do they get like a per diem and a slap on the ass
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Feb 23, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Better than being stopped by the cops and trying to eat the bag of weed that you have on you.
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the snosberries
taste like snosberries
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, it's only 6 games.
And they lost Fielder anyway.
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by Taylor Maricle on Feb 23, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Wait was he on roids, or does he have herpes I need to prepare my heckling.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I might go to a Freeway Series game
Maybe run into a Webster or Withrow start (they’ve got to stretch these guys out for the minors).
Caruso/Torre OUT per Shaikin
Because McCourt won’t see parking lots.
by silverwidow on Feb 23, 2012 2:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I can hear the gnashing of teeth throughout Dodgerland as they realize he’s not going away
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I really don’t see how he expects to get bids so high (as have been recently reported) without selling the lots.
I agree – he’s eliminating potential high bidders because of that requirement.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
Thinks a potential NFL owner will pay more for them?
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think he wants to build some kind of mixed-use development when the real estate market eventually rebounds.
I think he wants to use them as collateral to buy the Red Sox.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Dad McCourt: I want to say one word to you. Just one word.
Frank: Yes, sir
Dad: Are you listening?
Frank: Yes, I am.
Dad: Asphalt.
Frank: Exactly how do you mean?
Dad: There’s a great future in asphalt. Think about it. Will you think about it?
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Feb 23, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
No one can build housing on that land.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Not at this moment, however zoning restrictions can always be changed and with our city council it would shock no one if they did get changed someday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I WOULD TOTALLY LIVE THERE
wait.
YES, I WOULD TOTALLY LIVE THERE
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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What if this was a devil’s bargain and you decide to live there and buy a house, THEN the Dodgers move?
That would fucking suck.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
totally agree, but they ain’t changing it for frank mccourt.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
hah my firms bills say otherwise
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Feb 23, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Shaikin also says they’re willing to re-enter Dodgers bidding if McCourt willing to sell parking lots. But:
Caruso and other bidders have believed the purchase of the parking lots would be negotiable. Caruso’s decision to withdraw offers the clearest evidence yet that McCourt intends to keep the lots and try to build on them.
Article here.
Love the photos
you can tell who everyone is and everything looks so shinny : ) By the by, McCourt is a terrible person
http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/2012/02/23/mccourt-digs-in-his-heels-on-parking-lots/
at some point, MLB has to step in. Can’t imagine too many bidders are gonna stick for the long hall having to pay Frank to use the parking lots.
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
So……………….
If Frank holds to the parking lots. Who is responsible for making them safe?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Frank. He (or his insurance) will have to pay whatever a court (whichever court) decides he’s liable for ere Stows. That judgment might force him to sell the lots in the end.
I think it would depend
on how the use of the lots is leased back to the Dodgers.
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Who all is coming to Camelback
for St. Patrick’s Day?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Wait, what’s the NotJoeTorre signal again?
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
wondering if your dad sold concert tickets and how much tickets to Flogging Molly in Tempe on 3/17 would be, but Maddz already bought them
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
I will be there from the 15 – 19, during which Eric projects no Kershaw starts.
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we’ll be there 10-18, and you both should come to the Flogging Molly concert with Maddz, me and K3vo in Phoenix on St. Patrick’s Day
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
I am intrigued. That’s the weekend we’re in town too. My brother is a big FM fan.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
that’d be cool! we’ve yet to buy tickets, so I’m hoping NotJoeTorre shows up soon
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Mar
17
Tempe, AZ
@Tempe Beach Park (Green 17 Tour 2012)
Beach??
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there was this one traveling salesman……….
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
The Second Best Place for Day Drinking
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
just got our tickets
it starts at 1 pm. Hmm
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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On the 17th the Dodgers
have split-squad games, 1 PM at Talking Salt Lick with the Rockies, 7 PM at Camelback with the Giants.
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Day One bad news – Kershaw stiff back
Day Two bad news – Frank won’t sell parking lots
Day Three bad news – Kemp hooks back up with Diva
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m still not seeing “stiff back” as bad news….
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I will check with biomechanics friend
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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this reminds me of the time that GScott tweaked his back
after pitching. He was having muscle spasms, it was awful, and he calls my friend and tells her what’s going on…and she told him to stretch out his hip flexor. We were both like, “???” but he did it and…TA DA! All better.
The body is fucking weird.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Damn your new icon.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that’s what the Sepulveda Damn was for.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Clayton Kershaw Sleeps Funny, Dodgers Doomed.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
one comma shift changes the meaning dramatically
Clayton Kershaw Sleeps, Funny Dodgers Doomed
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kershaws Season Ruined By Insomnia
Clayton Kershaw Sleeps? Funny. Dodgers doomed.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I feel punctuation is the key to life.
That, and water.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I feel. Punctuation is the key to life.
That, and water.
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
4 touchdowns in one game!
I was disagreeing, but probably an overreaction to Al Bundy talking about how great he was at Polk High way back when.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
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4down
master of social situations
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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BTW, The Voice is beating American Idol in total viewers and in the key demo. Though the total viewers is 15.9 million to 16 million.
10 year old reality show losing luster? Tell me more!
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Wow. Does that make it NBC’s most watch show several times over.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
oh very much so. Smash is bleeding viewers though
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Who is that show supposed to appeal to?
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
or ust glee watchers in general
I hear the show has gone downhill
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
mac n’chese:fettuccini alfredo::Glee:Smash
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
delicious:delicious::tv show:tv show
is all I’m getting here
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Glee is a campy high school drama, Smash is a masturbatory show about producers. Unless they think people watch Glee because it has people seeing it’s an entirely different show.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
the singing is the through-line you ninny
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
It’s an entirely different style of music though. I’m not seeing any Drake/Flock of Seagulls mashups coming out of Smash.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
the demographic that watches scripted variety shows isn’t subdivided by genre. It’s labeled Women 18-47, and you sell them tampons
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
It’s missing the all important gay male demo.
It’s like assuming Idol fans would all go watch a show where they sang nothing but opera. There might be singing in both, but it’s an entirely different appeal.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
when Smash stars someone who was on American Idol, it’s not an assumption, it’s implied in the casting
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
If it worked for From Justin To Kelly…
I’m not a producer (which as Smash has taught me is the most important job in the world) so I guess I don’t know better but thinking there’s a huge cross over audience between a singing contest and a dead serious drama because of a couple connections is a bad assumption.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
assuming people will watch Happy Town because Twin Peaks was big for one season in the early 90s is also a bad assumption, and that turd still got green lit
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm stil watching Smash
but 3rd episode was weak and I want the assistant to get killed
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
former Glee watchers, American Idol fans
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Chad Moriyama
That is disgusting. RT @SBerthiaumeESPN: Braun argued test protocol had not been followed. Collector took sample home
the fuck?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Oh this is getting good
SBerthiaumeESPN: ESPN’s Mark Fainaru-Wada & TJ Quinn report: Ryan Braun didn’t argue evidence of tampering or anything about test science being wrong. (more)
SBerthiaumeESPN: Braun argued test protocol had not been followed. Collector took sample home & kept it refrigerated rather than get it to FedEx asap.
SBerthiaumeESPN: Braun test sample collector thought FedEx/Kinkos was closed because it was late on a Saturday. MLB is livid and considering options.
well know knows what happened in that refrigerator
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I do
Ryan Braun took steroids in that freezer. Damn him to hell!
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how do you explain that to your wife? “Oh hi honey. Look, Ryan Braun’s urine.”
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
And they said four years of med school was a waste.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
No MD is going to be affiliated with off-site urine collection.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
if you only did four years, you’re low on the MD totem pole
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sorry my joke will be more accurate next time.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
FINALLY, some culpability around here : )
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
he needs to drink more water, then
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Feb 23, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We’ll never know since they broke chain of custody.
by Chad Moriyama on Feb 23, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
like I said
meh. I’m ok with him not being suspended but in my heart I know he is a dirty cheater
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
No defense attorney wants you on his/her jury. The test results are bogus because no one can be sure what it was that was tested.
My “meh” will be for the question, “did he juice or not?” I got no idea.
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I wouldn't convict him off this
which is why I said I’m ok with him not being suspended. The tester fucked up. There is reasonable doubt, but not enough to sway my personal opinion.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
But given that the test sample may be compromised, what is your personal opinion based on?
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That the test sample probably wasn't compromised
I find it more likely the dude was juicing then the sample was compromised
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If we find out the tester was storing steroids in his fridge I'll change me tune
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The fact that the test collector was an idiot douchebag is enough for me.
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He should have paid more attention in his graduate level urine collecting classes.
I’m with you here, Braun probably did it, but it’s a good thing he got off and calling it a loophole is asinine.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
lol
“Today we’re going to discuss refrigerator models. I prefer the Frigidare”
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
When your job is follow protocols and you obviously break one by taking the sample home, you are an idiot douchebag. People in medical-related jobs get disciplined for storing sample in the wrong part of their work place (e.g., the cabinet near their desk) instead of the designated place – taking it home is utter stupidity.
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“Hey Mike, what do you want me to do with the blood I just drew?”
“Do you have a junk drawer or nightstand and home? We’re just full up here.”
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Full disclaimer: I worked in a medical laboratory for about five years, and my wife is an R.N., supervising medical assistants, so I’m a little sensitive to protocol and such things.
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I love when my blood tests get screwed up because someone didn’t store the blood in a refrigerated area (only certain tests apparently require this) or when the blood is stored in too much light.
I used to curse certain couriers when samples arrived.
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I don’t claim to know even the first thing about how these tests work, but there is a reason that these protocols exist — to ensure the viability of the tests. When that protocol gets violated, the accuracy of the tests is compromised.
This whole situation is filled with so much fail on MLB’s part. The Union must be beyond pissed.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The union should be pissed off that all of this got leaked.
Its supposed to be an anonymous test and appeal. Why the heck is everything getting leaked?
that's some bullshit right there
So I did it, but you didn’t do everything exactly right, so nanner nanner nanner!
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“I’m not denying the test was positive, but how do we know the tester didn’t inject testosterone into the sample? Perhaps used it in a pagan ritual?”
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Whether or not he did it is irrelevant if the test was compromised. You don’t need to make that argument when they do the test wrong.
Let’s say you get an F on a test because the grader used the wrong answer key. You get the test thrown out because they used the wrong method. It doesn’t mean that you deserved an F.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
even if you fucked up the test and actually got an F
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Yes. But mostly, the failed test is not necessarily an indicator of anything Ryan Braun did wrong.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
OH I know
my statement wasn’t a question, as evidenced by the lack of question mark
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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What do you mean they can’t be? They were!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
i think you are agreeing
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I believe braun did it
but I don’t think he should be suspended in light of the testers actions
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
If the piss was on ice
I shouldn’t pay the price
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
OT- Curious if anyone here happens to know anything about Grunion runs? and if so, I see the 1st dates on the schedule this year is March 8-11, and just curious if Leo Carrillo is a good place for seeing them. Thanks for any info!
If you want to watch a grunion run, do it through the aquarium in Camarillo. They do a whole thing that’s fun for kids.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Leo Carrillo does a similar thing, with a movie in their auditorium and a whole setup. I’m sure both places are great.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
well, the Leo Carrillo idea came up because I see they have available camp grounds open that weekend, so even though im sure it will be cold and not good beach weather, I thought maybe it would be a cool idea to reserve a camp site and stay the night there, since the run around 1030pm to 1230. So was thinking of going up early saturday, set up, bbq and drink beers all day, then around that time head down to the beach for some grunion run. Then afterwords, head back to the site for nice fire to warm up to. Idk, just a thought.
the leo carrillo campsite, while on the water, is in somewhat of a cove and the water is part of the port so there isn’t the typical ocean winds and stuff.
I just realized this whole time I was thinking of Cabrillo Beach in San Pedro. YEah, Leo Carrillo is gonna freeze your nuts off.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
There are two beaches accessible from the campground…1 is very rocky, great surf spot and scuba too, but not sure the grunion are gonna be running on a rocky beach..2nd beach is to the north up and over a little rise…it’s beautiful and sandy but not real expansive. The grunion are gonna be more easily found on wide sand expanses (grew up in Venice/Santa Monica…those kinda beaches)
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
Almost every time I’ve showed up for a “scheduled” grunion run, they didn’t show
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serious? yeah thats why im asking… I never even heard of this til last year. We went by Santa Monica Pier and we did see them, caught a couple with our hands, but someone wasnt smart enough to realize the bright lights of the pier kinda kills it. So im looking for a better spot this year.
the run isn’t about fishing, its about drinking
by Hollywood Joe on Feb 23, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
small silver fish that come ashore to bury into the sand, lay eggs and fertilize said eggs.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Supposedly they're edible
but I’ve never had one
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
and don’t they make the water like neon blue or something?
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
yeah it says take only what you will eat. I couldnt imagine eating these things, thats mean, there just trying to lay some eggs, why people gotta kill them??
Just ordered my tickets for Camelback
Sec Row Seat
18th 114 6 9
20th 14 5 5
21st 16 5 3
Looks like I’ll only have leg room for the Angels’ game. But maybe I’ll get to meet Eric and David, after getting rained out last year.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Feb 23, 2012 3:57 PM PST reply actions
Great! I was lucky I was buying just one seat, as the Angel game was nearly sold out.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Feb 23, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
is it at Camelback or Tempe Diablow?
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Eric, who is the African American guy 2d from left in the 2nd pic (with catchers throwing)?
Just curious. Can’t get picture to blow up (real good).
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I just notice the pictures link to bigger versions of them
Do you want that guy for your soccer team?
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hah, no, he does look like a former athlete though
and yeah now the pictures are opening up larger in a new window, before they weren’ re-loading for me for some reason.
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Good question
I’m not sure but I will investigate tomorrow.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 4:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sung to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies
Here’s a little story ‘bout a guy named Braun
He was very well respected cuz his hits were long gone
The MVP voters claimed he was the best
But then one day he had to take a test
Pee that is…Milwaukee Gold…San Francisco Tea
First thing you know someone took home that pee cup
next a claim he didn’t cheat just couldn’t get it up
but Performance Enhancing Drugs refer to more than MLB
If you take away the P all that’s left is E.D.
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by BaldBilly on Feb 23, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Are you interested in being
a backer for the publication of a baseball e-book titled, “The Hall of Very Good”?
The Hall of Very Good is an ebook meant to celebrate the careers of those who are not celebrated. It’s not a book meant to reopen arguments about who does and does not deserve Hall of Fame enshrinement; rather, it’s meant to remember those who, failing entrance into Cooperstown, will unfairly be lost to history. It’s for the players we grew up rooting for, the ones whose best years led to flags and memories that will fly together forever. Players like Bret Saberhagen, Will Clark, Dwight Evans, Tim Salmon, Wilbur Wood, Orel Hershiser, and literally hundreds of others.I ponied up a few bucks to this to help ensure it happens, and to enjoy the fruits of the labor once it is published. The contributing writers (you should recognize at least some of these names, e.g., Jon Weisman) are:
* R.J. Anderson
* Tommy Bennett
* Ted Berg
* Jon Bernhardt
* Jon Bois
* Grant Brisbee
* Dave Brown
* Craig Calcaterra
* Carson Cistulli
* Cliff Corcoran
* Steven Goldman
* Owen Good
* Jay Jaffe
* Christina Kahrl
* King Kaufman
* Matthew Kory
* Will Leitch
* Ben Lindbergh
* Sam Miller
* Rob Neyer
* Eric Nusbaum
* Jeff Passan
* Joe Posnanski
* Old Hoss Radbourn
* David Roth
* Emma Span
* Cecilia Tan
* Wendy Thurm
* Jon Weisman
* Josh Wilker
* Jason Wojciechowski
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Can I order all sections except those written by Jeff Passan?
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by G.Scott on Feb 23, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering if they couldn't quadruple their fundraising
if they could get the one byline to be the real name of the pseudonym “Old Hoss Radbourn”.
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Kicked in a sawbuck
It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?
I thought about doing the top one
and ask for 1500 words about Juan Pierre but wen for another level instead.
Hilarious.
Who else would be a terrible choice to stick them with? Johnny Dickshot?
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Twitter campaign is going for Karim Garcia.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Let me consults my fists on that.
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I think the names will be familiar ones and probably more in line with
multiple-year all-stars and MVPs that are not in the HOF.
Oh, of course
I was thinking about the mischievous folks that want to blow $250 to make them have a chapter on someone of the ilk of the aforementioned.
Joe Torre, as a player, should be in this book.
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Why would the picture be that of a softball field?
Also, I hope they do an initial 5 members like the original hall of fame. That’d be fun.
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Don’t know what picture you are referring to.
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the home plate on the donation site
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Not a small enough area to be only the cutout around home?
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You can autograph the printout of the .pdf version.
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thus defeating the entire purpose of an e-book
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I paid for the limited edition of the cover art
thus if I so desired and paid for shipping, I could get that autographed.
Not the entire purpose. They didn’t have to pay to publish on paper. The cost ended up on the consumer end.
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https://twitter.com/#!/oldhossradbourn
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you'll be happy to know, as am I, that Twitter is soon doing away with the stupid # in profile URLs
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Pictures
Eric, Whats your copyright status on these photos? Can they be reused in the wikipedia articles on these players?
by Lincoln Kupchak on Feb 23, 2012 4:58 PM PST reply actions
yeah, that’s a question for a public forum
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I suppose he could use Eric’s e-mail at the bottom of the page, but it doesn’t seem like an out-of-line question to me.
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by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Just sayin
Rondo for Pau Gasol.
I’m just sayin.
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What is Kobe going to do while Rondo is dribbling the basketball
Also you can play off Rondo because his outside shot is shaky.
Well let's see.
1. Salaries don’t match; Gasol makes 19 million, Rondo 11 million
2. Celtics want to get younger not older
3. Ainge already said Rondo only goes for a superstar.
4. Big 3 goes before Rondo.
5. Celtics don’t want to help lakers.
by florida dodger on Feb 23, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
celtics said they were looking for a big man.
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Ya.
But they want a young big man.
And they don’t want to trade Rondo for him (unless his name is Howard.)
by florida dodger on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really think Rondo is a great fit for the Lakers
I would love Lowry though
by SeanMillerSavior on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Gasol is as much a big man as Kevin Garnett is a big man. This trade would give the Celtics 2 PF’s, still no center, and now no PG.
i think what will happen
is the Lakers will get Beasley from MIN for the Odom trade exception, get Sessions from CLE for a first round pick, and that’s it.
Only big move I see them possibly making is Bynum for Howard, and I feel that’s a real longshot now to be honest.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
And then there were 9.......
In other news, Claire and Torre have just dropped out of the bidding process. So according to my math, we have 9 groups left not 11 anymore.
Who are we rooting for here? Who should we root for? The one with the most money??
Kroenke, married to Walmart family (but Nuggets and Rams traditionally suck)
Owner of Memphis Grizzlies ( hey, they are paying luxury tax this year)
Magic Johnson and Guggenheim Partners
Stanley Gold and Disney Family
Some guy called Macciello or something (invests in gold mines??)
Wall st. Hedge fund guy called Cohen (carpetbagger?)
Kushner, married Donald Trump’s daughter (another carpetbagger?)
and 2 other guys who escape me
We should root for all of them to insist that the parking lots be part of the sale.
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Rangers got sold
without parking lots,
what’s the holdup?
by florida dodger on Feb 23, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Do you want your new owner beholden to Frank McCourt?
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I really don’t see it as that big of a deal. I’m betting that any owner that agrees to buy the team will do so with a 10 or 20 year lease agreement for the parking lots. I don’t see them agreeing to buy the team while not already having this lease agreement in place.
tack on an extra $200mil or so for Frank.
Guy is a genius.
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already has one bidder saying they’ll do it, so.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I seriously doubt he wants to fuck up this sale, as he kind of needs the money
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Trying to withhold one of the most important assets of the sale is what I would consider a ‘fuckup.’
Ah, so that’s the reason Joshua Macciello thinks he’s still in.
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So you don’t believe the report that he has at least one bid that is going to allow him to keep the parking lots?
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Nope. I mean, its possible, but who would pay over a billion and still pay millions more as rent to Frank McCourt every year?
You’d have a much harder time making a profit out of the team if you have a parasite like Frank around sucking up revenue every year like that.
Could easily take care of that with a contract during the sale. As you said these people are not idiots.
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True. But I will laugh if Frank scares away every bidder away. It’ll be a fitting conclusion for him.
He’s going for the gold if he can get his price and keep the parking lots he wins. If he has to settle for the silver but gets his price but no parking lots he still wins.
As they said in the story they can all can back to the bidding process if Frank puts the parking lots back on the table.
Only takes one person who wants the team more then the others for him to get what he wants.
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To get that kind of big that Frank wants. (Huge money, keep the parking lots in Frank’s pockets), I would feel you would need a bidder who had emotional ties to the team. But there’s nobody like that. Steve Cohen isn’t a Dodgers fan, Magic Johnson is just the front man, and he’s a Lakers legend, not a Dodgers legend. Joe Torre just quit, and I don’t even know if he likes the Dodgers. =P
wait, we get to speculate as to the personal feelings of billionaires whom we have never met except for their public personalities and our perceptions of them?
Come on, man.
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We would have already gotten puff pieces of how much a potential owner LOVES the Dodgers if each bidder wanted to by either the L.A. Times, or another publication.
Okay, how about this. Peter O’Malley, the former owner of the Dodgers and who probably bleeds Dodger blue more than anyone here recently said that the bidding is too fucking much.
Yes, not everyone is going to be JOSH MACHICELLO, but the PR campaign has already started, and I would think these guys are savvy enough to do something like promoting any previous ties with the Dodgers, if they have any.
Peter O’Malley said it was too much money because the sale price was higher than his group was comfortable spending. no more, no less.
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But that’s my point, Peter O’Malley, a man who had extensive ties to the Dodgers, and had the CEO of Samsung as part of his group doesn’t feel he should pay a premium to owe the Dodgers again, who would?
the other bidders?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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econ 101: to be in the market for a service, you have to be both willing and able to purchase a product. O’Malley was willing, but unable to meet the price set by the other bidders.
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i thought O' Malley's problem
was he thought he wouldn’t be awarded it even if he won the bidding
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
seriously
for the type of money we’re talking, Frank is adding a 0.01% annual sales tax to the sale price.
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It’s not the cost. It’s the potential of the land, smart investors should want the land too, wouldn’t they?
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Depends on why they are buying the Dodgers. Do they want to own a baseball team or do they want to own a baseball team and develop the land. The prospective buyer who simply wants to own the Dodgers, could let the parking lots go. They have enough to do to improve the Stadium without worrying about capital costs to develop the other property.
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People who are investing $1 billion + dollars want a return on their investment.
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I’m wondering if MLB has the power to prevent development of the parking lot land without their approval. If so (after a couple more lawsuits), Frank would eventually have to sell if he can’t develop. I doubt the rent is the whole story.
Why would they have the power to do somehing
on land they have no jurisdiction over. That would be a City of LA issue not an MLB issue.
From Shaikin’s newest article:
The sale agreement between McCourt and MLB specifically permits him to retain the lots — and build parking structures on them if he chooses.
But not a strip mall, restaurants, etc. Just parking structures.
Caruso/Torre are pretty definitive in their letter:
“We felt that operationally it would be impossible to effectively manage baseball operations having the parking lots that surround the stadium under separate ownership,” Caruso and Torre wrote in their letter to Rob Manfred, the MLB executive representing the league in the Dodgers’ sale.
“We believed that during the bid process we would have the opportunity to buy the lots. It has now been made clear to us by Mr. McCourt that the lots are not and will not be for sale.”
Because Frank can build parking structures right now on that land given the current zoning use. There would be many city/community/zoning commission etc. hurdles to be cleared before other kinds of development could happen.
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A new owner that can’t stand up to Frank McCourt doesn’t sound like a new owner getting off on the right foot with the fans of Los Angeles.
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magic, kasten and soon-shiong group is my pick
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did he officially join them?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I thought he did so in early february. could of course be speculation
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i know he said he was going to join a group
but they never said which. Only one’s I heard him connected to were Magic’s and Torre’s
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Magic's group gets mentioned at the top of every list I see
So they must be the favorites:
The odds seem to be more for the following 4 groups:
1. Magic’s group
2. Cohen group
3. Kroenke
4. Disney
(Wouldn’t be surprised if these are the 4 groups with the most money)
The other 5 seem to be underdogs.
The other 2 I missed are Alan Casden and also another group led by another real estate guy from , where else?, Ny.
by florida dodger on Feb 23, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
seriously
the fuck is troncoso doing on a mound?
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“So I pitched to him like this and then he hit the ball just SOOOO far over the left field fence…”
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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It’s like when you catch your kid smoking so you have the 40 year old guy without a voice box lecture them.
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by regfairfield on Feb 23, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Same reason Corey Wade gets on a mound.
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I see some comparison of Ryan Braun to OJ Simpson at the moment. Which is a bit ironic, since OJ was convicted and sentenced for a crime, and is currently in jail.
The comparison is to the O.J. murder trial only, but it is flawed. O.J.‘s attorneys conjured up the idea that evidence collection was poor and possibly caused contamination, but they didn’t prove it. In Braun’s case, it appears uncontested that the idiot collector took the sample to his home refrigerator.
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how do you cure Linsanity?
apply Heat
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 6:22 PM PST reply actions
Most fun teams to watch at the moment
Thunder
Timberwolves
Knicks
The Heat bore me, Lakers meh, the Clippers are trying to make sure every damn game goes down to the last minute no matter who they are playing. Exciting, not sure how much fun it is.
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Did anyone hear Colletti today on PMS? It’s really depressing to hear a major league GM talk about his players and expectations and only mention home runs and RBI…over and over again.
Why, that is all the people who are listening to him care about?
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Because thats what he actually believes.
by UCLADodger32 on Feb 23, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
His audience was Petros and Money listeners. These are the sorts of people that tolerate Vic the Brick.
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easy to tolerate Vic
when he’s next to Steve Hartman
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
they are the go to stats
easiest for the listening audience to understand
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Phil, Mike, did you see this?
Chris Paul says he will exercise his option to stay with the Clippers next season.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 6:56 PM PST reply actions
no
not at all
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think so
i mean, why ask him about it in that case?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Man alot of Matt Moore’s in the sports biz, this media guy, the former Oregon State QB, and that pitcher on the Rays I think??
yup
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Rays pitcher
who will probably be ROTY next season
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
UCLA Alumni and current Dolphins QB
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oh you meant him as “former OSU QB”
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well it says right in the beginning of that article. “When Chris Paul was traded to the Los Angeles Clippers, it was done under the condition that Paul would exercise his option for 2012-2013 to give the Clippers at least two years to build a team around him. Still, there was still a feeling from skeptics that this could all go wrong”. Why the author thought it could go wrong or what he is talking about that people that it could go wrong, I have no idea…. Maybe because he hadnt officially picked the option up there was a small chance he could back out. Im not sure what Matt Moore is talking about. But maybe Phil or Mike know more.
maybe it was a handshake agreement
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I had the same understanding you did. We did the trade with the condition that Paul would exercise his option for 2012/2013.
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i didn't remember that
i might have been to busy grumbling :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Mike or any other Kings fans
I totally missed the Jack Johnson and 1st round pick for Jeff Carter trade today… crazy the Kings now have Richards AND Carter from last years Philly team. What are your thoughts on it?
I hate to lose JJ, but
I’m really happy we got Carter. The No. 1 pick was also a little much, but at least we have a decent/+ scorer, should fit in with Richards.
Also glad we didn’t give up Bernier
by Julio Nievas on Feb 23, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’m happy. They had the depth at D to lose one, and Carter is a good player. I wish the Blue Jackets had taken Bernier for Nash though.
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Read a report that Nash didn't want to go to LA
Hope Carter/Richards mesh together real well. We need offense bad.
by Julio Nievas on Feb 23, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
we’re practically the Philadelphia Flyers West, and they haven’t won a cup since like 1975.
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It’s a win if we make it deep in the playoffs. Now JJ will average 70+ a season __
by Julio Nievas on Feb 23, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
isn’t his career high like 24? and I think his +/- over the last few years is really really bad.
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I’m just messin, kinda still sour about Kings trading Simmonds, who’s having doing great right now
by Julio Nievas on Feb 23, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Richards and Carter won't get the chance
Carter will be in Kopitar’s wing, if Kings coaches are smart…
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People think I'm crazy. It's true.
Kings were deep at D, both with the NHL club and prospects. JJ was a terrible defender (albeit a very good offensive D). Carter fits the desperate need for a scoring forward, so on the surface it should help. Remains to be seen if Carter can be solid for the next 9 years or whatever of his contract.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Absolute steal
Kings are very deep in D prospects, and Carter can play wing…
Now, about that partying rumors…
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Was that doll hospital in the mall a real thing in Modern Family?
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the American Girls dolls are serious business
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
The Lakers would be crazy to trade Pau
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they won't
unless they get blown away. I don’t see that happening.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
The Lakers won’t get any better unless they get a good PG. They won’t this year, so they’re won’t go far.
i think if they just get an average PG
they’d be a lot better. I think they’ll pick up Ramon Sessions
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, rumor is they plan to key in on Session during the allstar break. Rumor is they can do so with part of the TPE and a 1st round pick. I think he is pretty good, and would provide huge upgrade IMO.
I think
they’ll pick up Beasley as well
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Catch-22 , they need a PG but you can’t deal one of the top five PF in the league to make it happen. Fixing one hole while creating another does nothing. The advantage the Lakers currently have is their incredible length and skill at C/PF.
Just getting an incremental better PG might be enough.
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Yep, but I don’t the Lakers have the assets unless they’re willing to trade either Gasol or Bynum, and they’re not. They’re just as screwed next year though since Fisher is going to pick up his player option. (That contract just makes no sense unless you just want to award a whole career.)
They don’t need one of the best point guards in basketball they just need an upgrade. They already have three of the best players in basketball, you don’t break that up unless the return is Paul, Williams and the like.
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yup
like i said, only potential big trade Lakers might make is Bynum for Howard, and I don’t think that’s going to happen
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone keeps talking about wanting a great PG, but since when havegreat PGs won championships?? Magic? Though people are saying the game is heading in that direction.
a lot of PGs now
are of the scoring variety
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
haha yeah I guess Parker, though Duncan is a huge part of that. If you dont have a dominate big man, you dont win…. or atleast thats always been my thinking. Not sure Parker is considered a great though, or just very good, or what. Anyways, IMO the Lakers advantage besides Kobe is the talented big men they have, so id keep that, and just go get a Sessions, and if they can get Beasley too, ok…. IMO worry about rebuilding after Kobe is gone. Rebuilding while winning titles dont happen usually, and I dont want to waste the little time Kobe has left.
Magic never won without a dominant big man. Hell when he came back and lost in the playoffs, he said, hard to win without a big man.
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you may have a point
last 10 starting PGs for the title winning team:
Jason Terry, Fisher, Fisher, Rondo, Parker, Jason Williams/DWade, Parker, Billups, Parker, Fisher.
Damn, the Lakers and Spurs have dominated.
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I consider Parker and Billups great point guards
Jason Terry was not the point guard.
Jason Kidd and the Clothesline Kid were
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You don’t consider Billups a great point guard in his prime?
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Absolutely not
I really like him as a player, though I thought “Mr. Big Shot” as a nickname was ridiculous (like the drooling over Robert Horry, who I loved as a Laker)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
After I started typing out their names, opinion changed. My head said Kidd, my fingers said Terry. It takes a good point guard who either knows his system really well or is supremely talented to win a championship, it would seem.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Jordan did it without great point guards or great centers.
Clyde Frazier had Willis Reed. West and Baylor didn’t win without Wilt, and even then, not until after Elgin retired. The 70s championship teams after the Lakers are all a blur now.
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lakers won with Fisher and without healthy Bynum, so there’s that too.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
Triangle Offense
doesn’t really need a good PG
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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 23, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
He should wait for Molina to get extended or go FA
I think Martin is pretty meh nowadays, Yankee Stadium helped him out
I’m still hoping that next offseason includes Yadier and BPhillips
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
I actually don’t like Molina(way too emotional) but I would love having him on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t think he will sign for so few years tho
Phillips is worth for the interviews alone
that was what my
preemptive ugh was about earlier
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
by nolander on Feb 23, 2012 10:26 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
AT&T can go royally fuck themselves
Wireless card (which I need for internet access at home in Arizona) not able to find a signal on night two with the card.
I didn’t want to drink this beer, but damnit this sports bar has wireless internet.
He can’t be the editor of SB Nation LA using a phone. Or an IPAD
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Did I mention it was karaoke night at his bar?
Although there is nobody here (8 people total) and the guy running the machine just hit the high notes on In the Jungle.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 23, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
My money was on Michael Jackson’s “Bad”; with all the moves, of course.
by KellyStephen on Feb 23, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Braun Case
There is a very good chance the arbitrator was wrong in his ruling and the courier did exactly what he was supposed to do under the MLB-MLBPA testing policy.
Braun’s argument during his January appeal in New York City was that the courier who collected his urine made a number of against-protocol moves after leaving the testing area. But were mistakes really made?
The courier did not immediately head to a FedEx Office after collecting Braun’s sample in early October because it was late on a Saturday night and he figured the store would be closed. Braun (or, rather, his lawyers) argued in January that the courier’s action was against policy, but the MLB-MLBPA joint drug agreement states that "specimens cannot be placed in a FedEx Drop Box" and the five FedEx Office locations closest to Miller Park don’t keep their doors open past 9 p.m. on Saturdays.
Also, none of the FedEx Office locations in the Milwaukee area ship items out on Sundays. So instead of handing the sealed cup of urine to a FedEx Office employee at some point Sunday and hoping for the best, the courier followed the terms of the MLB-MLBPA joint drug agreement (see pages 37-39) by storing Braun’s urine sample in a refrigerator at his residence until Monday morning, when FedEx could finally get the shipment to the appropriate testing lab in Montreal.
The MLB-MLBPA joint drug agreement fully allows for temporary storage by couriers — people who are trained and paid to handle drug test samples, and do so often — as long as the specimen can be "appropriately safeguarded," kept in a "cool and secure location," with "chain of custody intact." A refrigerator in the private residence of a trained professional would seem to fit that bill.
So if the courier is allowed to temporarily store samples on his own, and he did so in his own residence, where exactly is the chain of custody issue? And why did Das rule to have the suspension overturned?
There are also some tweets from Jeff Passan which says even more about the courier and how it is common practice for them to store it at home.
but why not just schedule the tests on like, monday mid-morning? Why did they have to do a random drug test on a saturday late evening? Seems silly.
You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.
The test was done after their Saturday game in the playoffs (they only played one Saturday game in the playoffs). I guess it could have been scheduled for another day but this was Game 1 of the series.
To try and word this better…
The test was scheduled for Game 1 of the playoffs. It makes sense to do it that day given that it is Game 1. The breakdown in what happened seems to be with MLB. They probably should have made sure the courier had a proper place to store the sample until it could be sent out.
Oh and just so I can reply to myself multiple times…
The most important question for me is why does MLB send the samples to Montreal? Aren’t there any local laboratories in each MLB city that can handle these? I guess the lawyers bargained things this way but shipping the samples out through FedEx seems stupid to me. I wouldn’t trust FedEx to keep them stored at a proper temperature.
I do not.
To answer my previous question on why it was sent to Montreal.
It is a World Anti-Doping Agency-certified laboratory.
The policy and the system is wrong then. If your system is designed with a flaw, you can’t claim that the flaw itself shows it is working.
Every policy ever written has flaws. When you have a bunch of lawyers on both sides arguing it is bound to.
It is possible the courier should have a separate fridge for holding such containers or a lock on his fridge (none of this will probably ever be known by people not in the appeal hearing). It is possible Braun argued that the guys personal fridge would be too cold for the results to be accurate. It’s quite possible the testing policy needs ammendment for this exact reason.
But this one seems pretty obvious. I know hindsight is 20/20, but somebody should have noticed that allowing an MLB employee to keep the material at his personal residence should have been a red flag and reconsidered.
Is the courier a MLB employee or does he work for a company that both MLB and MLBPA agreed to?
I don’t think the courier himself was the problem here. I think it was his actions not being what the arbitrator felt was proper even though under the rules agreed to by MLB and MLBPA said he was right in doing what he did.
It looks like those rules need more lawyers to work on them or a lot of holes can be poked in future procedures used.
that’s a fun one for cocktail parties. “Oh I work at Comprehensive Drug Testing, Inc. We’re very comprehensive”
by Josie Becker on Feb 23, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
I also think
had it been a positive test for PED (not extremely raised level of testosterone), if you could prove that the sample wasn’t damaged or tampered with and none of the signs were present that would allow this positive to occur, then maybe the arbitrator could have looked at that and decided the other way.
But when you have a test result that according to published reports was 3X too high and higher than anyone could recall, the idea of something being done to the sample might be more plausible.
And yes, no employer themselves conduct their own drug tests.
I figure this is just you joking, but none of what was done at the Montreal lab was brought into question here.
That was a joke, but I do wonder why MLB didn’t contract with a local lab in each MLB city. Getting it shipped to Montreal seems odd.
Clippers/Lakers
Still a lot of basketball left to be played but interesting that headed in to the all-star break the Clippers are the #3 seed in the WC and the Lakers tied for #6. Would be something if they battled each other in the first round.
Heard the clippers still aren’t selling out games
by NotJoeTorre on Feb 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
according to phil
they sell more seats then the Lakers
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by nolander on Feb 23, 2012 10:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, according to this, Clippers are (very slightly) outdrawing Lakers
http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance
7 Clippers 16 308,292 19,268 101.1
8 Lakers 16 303,952 18,997 99.7
(Lakers are still slightly outdrawing Clippers on the road)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
stubhub minimum
for clippers game is about 7.00
for lakers is $30.00
Supply and demand has to have something to do with it. Either way I will gladly take advantage of lower ticket prices.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Feb 23, 2012 10:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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